Genetically, which do you think is the most representative group in southern Europe?

[mitalit]

If you had to choose a group as a base for southern europe, which would it be?

[Alexandro]

I am not sure what you mean.

[Flashball]

SouthWestern or SouthEastern ?

It's a geographic term.

But in the Western sens of South-Europe:
Basques, Sardinians, Lombards, Venitians, etc.

In the hybride genetical sens, it's another thing.

[Chris596]

- As a typical Southern European, I would mention Italians at first (I know there are many differences between North and South Italy though)
- Typical Southwest European: Spanish
- Typical Southeast European: Greek

[Defcon2]

To find out that would I make an average of all southern countries... Wait...

[gixajo]

I would say Italians, North Italians are close to Spanish and some Balkan people genetically, and Southern ones to Greece and the other Balkan people.

[Luso]

Italy. I would say Iberia... but we are homogenous north to south. Italy becomes southern shifted as you go down, unlike Iberia. Unless we talk east to west, but we tend to see some differences that make it complex-- like Ik west gets higher southern component as in North African, but also get abnormally high northern.

[Tacitus]

Tuscans as a "Central Med" group. Or perhaps Corsicans being similar to not only Tuscans but having a decent chunk of Sardinian ancestry as well.

Distance: 0.3443% / 0.00344341
Target: French_Corsica
81.2 Italian_Tuscany
18.8 Sardinian

[Fraisod]

Central Italians, perhaps.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Italians, they share their regions with both Southwestern and Southeastern europeans.

Vaticano(Rome) is the exactly epicenter of South Europe, Greece would be too Easter and Iberia too western.

And the Epicenter of Northern Europe? Praha or Berlin?

[sekhmet777]

Italians

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Imo cypriots, slovenians and some central french people are the least average South Europeans, bordeline populations.

[RodGol]

Spaniards. They are closer to the bronze and iron age southern europeans. Particularly basques. Pure Neolithic farmers+ western hunther gatherers + steppe. Maybe I'm wrong, it' my opinion.

[mitalit]

Italy. I would say Iberia... but we are homogenous north to south. Italy becomes southern shifted as you go down, unlike Iberia. Unless we talk east to west, but we tend to see some differences that make it complex-- like Ik west gets higher southern component as in North African, but also get abnormally high northern.

West iberians get abnormally high northern?

[gixajo]

West iberians get abnormally high northern?

Portuguese or Galicians usually score slighty higher NA or SSA than other Iberians but also slighty higher in other NorthWestern European components, not always, but quite often.

[PaleoEuropean]

I would say French because they are so diverse.

[mitalit]

Portuguese or Galicians usually score slighty higher NA or SSA than other Iberians but also slighty higher in other NorthWestern European components, not always, but quite often.
All areas of portugal? and what about western spain (apart from galicia)?

[gixajo]

All areas of portugal? and what about western spain (apart from galicia)?

It´s more related with coastal zones, but probably it affects too in some degree to more inner lands.:noidea:

[Jana]

Central Italians, for example Tuscans.

[mitalit]

It´s more related with coastal zones, but probably it affects too in some degree to more inner lands.:noidea:
With the average of g25 I do not see that Portugal is more northern than castile and leon, extremadura, aragon or murcia for example

[gixajo]

With the average of g25 I do not see that Portugal is more northern than castile and leon, extremadura, aragon or murcia for example

No in G25 references, but is something that we can see in forum member results.:noidea:

[Tenma de Pegasus]

West Iberia have a little bit less specific iberian dna, thats why its more northern and ssa at the same time.

[mitalit]

No in G25 references, but is something that we can see in forum member results.:noidea:

Here for example I do not see that helen, you, gallop or me are less northern shifted than the portugueses. I also do not see that damiao have more North African than the others and he is from the south of Portugal.


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?332978-Post-your-G25-calculator-of-ancient-basic-components-from-ph2ter/page4

[gixajo]

With the average of g25 I do not see that Portugal is more northern than castile and leon, extremadura, aragon or murcia for example

La conexión me va muy mal, no podía responder, no me notifica, hasta el Fortnite me va fatal...:rolleyes:

Ruderico or Pedro Rubén are a good example, even Luso sometimes has scored in scandinavian components, and Damiao a pair of weeks ago was investigating about a persistent 5% Center/North European in some results.

And about NA or SSA, the difference is not great, but it´s perceptible.

I am not only talking about results from people on this forum or from "the other", but also about results that I see on the internet or on MH and 23andMe.

Anyway, let the others opine, to see what they have observed, because surely we have all seen many results from Iberian in many places, and my idea could be wrong.



We cannot take it as a general rule judging only with results from forum members, but...

[Damião de Góis]

I looked into this on G25 and ran one of Rocinante's runs for various regions. The biggest difference is in the WHG, which is lowest in Portugal and Galicia (and in the Balearics strangely enough) at ~10% and highest in the Basque Country at ~17%. Steppe is a lot more constant, every region seems to have around 30% with a 2% margin of error (so it varies between 32% and 28% roughly but most regions have ~30%).
So these components aren't higher in the west, at least on G25.

I've only seen something of the sort on Eurogenes k15, where western regions have (slightly) higher North Sea (but Catalonia also has it).

https://i.imgur.com/jWXMrA9.png

[Wallace Darling]

Ummm I would think like Italians maybe? Since they're like centrally located....But I'm no expert on this stuff!

[Roy]

Italians, both because of their geographic location but also because of the fact that Romans settled a lot around the Mediterranean Sea.