Classify Lionel Erdogan

[Ryujin]

I firstly got to know him in the French tv series La Révolution. Apparently he's half-French by mother and half-Turkish (from Tunceli, Eastern Anatolia, possible Zaza or Kurdish admixture) by father.

https://www.doitinparis.com/files/2020/societe/09/lionel-erdogan/lionel-erdogan.jpg
https://www.biliyo.org/uploads/images/lionel-erdogan-kimdir.jpg
https://www.kimnereli.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/lionel-erdogan.jpg
https://medias.unifrance.org/medias/110/171/174958/format_page/media.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Yz94dCjCSnYd7TqeCJ63u-w4tjE-h-1R9UgieX3peMKAtG1uB94zBeiCiM2T73WLujwcriieEDTBdoKV PKnVuNxn
https://article-imgs.scribdassets.com/6sosswk2io83e4m4/images/file9EAGH5U0.jpg

[Hulu]

Isn't Erdogan Georgian? He looks euro.

[Kivan]

Atlantid/Faelid.

[Fraisod]

Yes, he looks European.

[Kivan]

Isn't Erdogan Georgian? He looks euro.

Now every single person called Erdogan is relative of Recep? lol

[Ülev]

the nose shape is from the middle, middle east still

[Ryujin]

Atlantid/Faelid.

He really does not show his Eastern Anatolian heritage. Actually this itself is a proof that taxonomy is pseudo-science. People's looks are mostly based on chance when they are mixed.

[placebo]

what i've expected

https://i.imgur.com/qaTkwF7.jpg

[Altaylı]

Now every single person called Erdogan is relative of Recep? lol

:D

[Hektor12]

Apparently he's half-French by mother and half-Turkish (from Tunceli, Eastern Anatolia, possible Zaza or Kurdish admixture) by father.

I found no info about Tunceli but theres one source states that hes from Samsun. Also, Erdoğan surname doesnt exist in Tunceli as far as i know. Its more a northern and western anatolian surname. Not the best name to have nowadays though (:.

[Ryujin]

I found no info about Tunceli but theres one source states that hes from Samsun. Also, Erdoğan surname doesnt exist in Tunceli as far as i know. Its more a northern and western anatolian surname. Not the best name to have nowadays though (:.

https://www.sabah.com.tr/pazar/2020/12/13/koklerimle-babamla-duyuyorum

Also, no, any kind of Turkish surname can be found found anywhere. Yilmaz Erdogan is from Hakkari.

[Hektor12]

https://www.sabah.com.tr/pazar/2020/12/13/koklerimle-babamla-duyuyorum

Also, no, any kind of Turkish surname can be found found anywhere. Yilmaz Erdogan is from Hakkari.

Since i use google.com instead of com.tr, i failed to find this sources. (: But Tunceli and Hakkari are different, particularly Tunceli is a unique region which is not comparable to anywhere else in Turkey.

[Ryujin]

I think he could play as Atatürk in a high-budget film.

[Hulu]

Now every single person called Erdogan is relative of Recep? lol

lol turkish logic I guess :rolleyes: Let me make it easier for you, when I see a person with the last name Schmidt I guess he's German even though I know not all Schmidt are related. Catch my drift...

[RogueState]

No way people would assume his mixed Anatolian/Kurdish background if you didn't know it before or if you didn't know his name

Not only he pass as a full European, but even more as a standard Western European

[Demhat]

First of all you can't be Turkish while being Kurdish because these are ethnical terms. You can be Kurdish from Turkey but not Turkish as a Kurd.


Secondly Zaza or Kurd makes no sense because one does not mutually exclude the other as Zazaki is a language/dialect and Dersimis don't call themselves Zaza but Kirmanj no matter if they speak Zazaki/Kirmanjki or Kurmanji. It's like differentiating between Turkmen and Turkish in Turkey.


Thirdly he looks European his Northwest Iranic elements merged well into his Atlantic element imo.

[Altaylı]

First of all you can't be Turkish while being Kurdish because these are ethnical terms. You can be Kurdish from Turkey but not Turkic as a Kurd.


Secondly Zaza or Kurd makes no sense because does not mutual exclude the other as Zazaki is a language/dialect and Dersimis don't call themselves Zaza but Kirmanj no matter if they speak Zazaki/Kirmanjki or Kurmanji. It's like differentiating between Turkmen and Turkish in Turkey.


Thirdly he looks European his Northwest Iranic elements merged well into his Atlantic element imo.

I edited for you Turkish means people from Turkey(probably ryujin meant this)

[Demhat]

He really does not show his Eastern Anatolian heritage. Actually this itself is a proof that taxonomy is pseudo-science. People's looks are mostly based on chance when they are mixed.

I wouldn't call it pseudo science in general sense or in the bigger picture. However most subdivisions are indeed often pseudo science and change with the ethnicity connected to it. The same dinarized person could be caled "Dinarid" or "Mtebid" depending on the fact if the individual is either from Georgia or Romania as example. Also most of this old school taxonomy works the believe that physical traits are hardly changeable, which again is nonsense, since some actually are dependent on other factors beside genetics alone.

[Demhat]

I edited for you Turkish means people from Turkey

I disagree highly since Turkish still is a ethnic definition while Turkic is a umbrella term for a ethno-linguistic group. Or would you call a Tatar or Chuvash in Russia a Russian?

But whatever, I am not interested in opening a different topic on this here.

[Altaylı]

I disagree highly since Turkish still is a ethnic definition while Turkic is a umbrella term for a ethno-linguistic group. Or would you call a Tatar or Chuvash in Russia a Russian?

But whatever, I am not interested in opening a different topic on this here.


Or would you call a Tatar in Russia a Russian

Nope they are turkic but russian citizen anatolian kurds are iranic but turkish citizen

I am Turkic and Turkish citizen i meant this

[Demhat]

In allot of the images he somehow resembles Griezmann

https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/153546.jpg?fallback=png

[Demhat]

Nope they are turkic but russian citizen anatolian kurds are iranic but turkish citizen

I am Turkic and Turkish citizen i meant this

Citizen is the Key word here. Without it, it indicates ethnicity. Now it sounds different to your first comment. Calling a Tatar a Russian is different from calling him a Russian citizen.

But in this case the guy is not even a Turkish citizen. His father seems to have left in the late 70 when shit was getting heated with the Kurds and the state. Obviously his father was also a Yilmaz Güney fan it seems.


Edit: And some people here should keep their pseudo science that Dersim/Tunceli differ from the other regions, to themselves. Genetically/Racially they are almost identical to other regions clearly differing from anything Turkish. Culturally they are most similar to Yarsan Kurds from West Iran.

[Ryujin]

Citizen is the Key word here. Without it, it indicates ethnicity. Now it sounds different to your first comment. Calling a Tatar a Russian is different from calling him a Russian citizen.

But in this case the guy is not even a Turkish citizen. His father seems to have left in the late 70 when shit was getting heated with the Kurds and the state. Obviously his father was also a Yilmaz Güney fan it seems.

In the interview he says that he was a fan of Yilmaz Guney so it seems to be true. He's a left-wing Alevi.

[Ryujin]

Citizen is the Key word here. Without it, it indicates ethnicity. Now it sounds different to your first comment. Calling a Tatar a Russian is different from calling him a Russian citizen.

But in this case the guy is not even a Turkish citizen. His father seems to have left in the late 70 when shit was getting heated with the Kurds and the state. Obviously his father was also a Yilmaz Güney fan it seems.

In the interview he says that he is a fan of Yilmaz Guney so it seems to be true. He's a left-wing Alevi.

[Demhat]

Indeed people who are a big fan of Yilmaz, usually have a political stance. Heck his father even named him Yilmaz.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOaeEe0E4vc&t

[Ryujin]

In allot of the images he somehow resembles Griezmann

https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/153546.jpg?fallback=png

Yea but he is not gracilized like him

[Ryujin]

Indeed people who are a big fan of Yilmaz, usually have a political stance. Heck his father even named him Yilmaz.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOaeEe0E4vc&t

His second name is Yilmaz too. :D