Anglo australian genetic average

[Italicus]

Hi everyone, I remember seeing a thread by Peterski on regional North America gedmatch kits. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?322211-North-American-regional-GEDmatch-averages). I was wondering what regions Anglo Celtic Australians came from.

[J. Ketch]

Hi everyone, I remember seeing a thread by Peterski on regional North America gedmatch kits. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?322211-North-American-regional-GEDmatch-averages). I was wondering what regions Anglo Celtic Australians came from. Also off topic, but why are some of the states in the Upper South like Kentucky, Arkansas and Tenessee more Southwest English than Scottish? I thought SW English ancestry was more concentrated in the Deep South, or are Southerners mostly a mixture of the two?.
Anglo-Celtic Australians come from every part of the British Isles. There is no particular region of England they came from, however the Southeast and burgeoning industrial areas like the West Midlands, North West and South Yorkshire naturally provided the most people. English is comfortably the largest ancestry, then Irish and Scottish, but most Anglo-Celtic Australians nowadays are a mixture of two or more of those, and there is also smaller Welsh, Cornish, Ulster Scots and Anglo-Irish influence. A disproportionate amount of Australians have Cornish ancestry, even more than Welsh according to records. Quite a few also have minor (1/8 or 1/16) continental ancestry, often German or Dutch. And now many people who are culturally Anglo-Aussie are mixed with post WWII continental immigrant ancestry.

I wouldn't rely on collected GEDmatch averages to determine the make-up of Americans, looking at surname distribution of Whites is probably more reliable. Southern Whites are majority English, with a large minority being Ulster Scots/Scots-Irish, plus other influences like French in some parts. By contrast to Australians, I believe Southern Whites and Americans generally tend to derive their English ancestry from Southern England, with a larger proportion coming from East England/East Anglia (puritans who went to New England), and Southwest England (Cavaliers/Loyalists who went to Virginia) than went to Australia, who were more mixed English and from C18th/19th regions of heavy industry.
http://photos.geni.com/p13/92/31/bd/98/5344483bbed4c6fe/hek32xef_large.jpg

[J. Ketch]

Another thing, Ulster Scots are a bigger element in the US than they are in Australia, whereas people from Scotland proper are a bigger element in Australia. And of course Gaelic Irish are much more integrated with Anglo-Australians than they are with Anglo-Americans.

[PaleoEuropean]

Another thing, Ulster Scots are a bigger element in the US than they are in Australia, whereas people from Scotland proper are a bigger element in Australia. And of course Gaelic Irish are much more integrated with Anglo-Australians than they are with Anglo-Americans.

There are places though like in Appalachia and the south where Irish assimilated. But by and large in the most populated areas they are their own little subculture.

[Grace O'Malley]

Another thing, Ulster Scots are a bigger element in the US than they are in Australia, whereas people from Scotland proper are a bigger element in Australia. And of course Gaelic Irish are much more integrated with Anglo-Australians than they are with Anglo-Americans.

You really don't get that thing with hyphenated nationalities in Australia either like you do in the US. People here just become Australian very quickly.

[Fraisod]

You really don't get that thing with hyphenated nationalities in Australia either like you do in the US. People here just become Australian very quickly.

That was actually a very nice thing about growing up in Australia, and I see it in more contemporary times, too, that people may be aware of someone's origin, but people don't get hyphenated to death.

[J. Ketch]

That was actually a very nice thing about growing up in Australia, and I see it in more contemporary times, too, that people may be aware of someone's origin, but people don't get hyphenated to death.
Well yeah, I have Anglo-Australian on my profile but that term or Anglo-Celtic is not used as a self-identifier in daily life, and IRL I've never called myself that; it's redundant. People identify as Australian, and separately as Anglo/English, British, Irish or Scottish, if they do at all.

[Davystayn]

Would certain regions/cities have particularly demographics, I think Melbourne has a large Greek population, I assume they have integrated pretty seamless sly, Hugh Jackman is part Greek which I never knew

[J. Ketch]

Woudd certain regions/cities have particularly demographics, I think Melbourne has a large Greek population, I assume they have integrated pretty seamless sly, Hugh Jackman is part Greek which I never knew
I didn't know that either, but apparently his grandmother was already half-Greek in Manchester, both his parents were post-war migrants from England. He does look a little Meddish.

[Italicus]

Interesting. I saw that in Upland Southern Whites, the closest GEDMATCH matches were with SW English. I thought the Upland South such as Tennessee, Arkansas and Kentucky were inhabited mainly by Ulster Scots, while the Deep South such as Alabama and Louisiana were inhabited by Cavaliers from Southwest England. Or is all of the South now a blend of Ulster Scots and SW Anglos?

[JamesBond007]

Interesting. I saw that in Upland Southern Whites, the closest GEDMATCH matches were with SW English. I thought the Upland South such as Tennessee, Arkansas and Kentucky were inhabited mainly by Ulster Scots, while the Deep South such as Alabama and Louisiana were inhabited by Cavaliers from Southwest England. Or is all of the South now a blend of Ulster Scots and SW Anglos?

What method did they use to collect those regional samples and were they scientific ? Also, how scientific is GEDmatch in general ? GEDmatch gives me different results depending on the calculator I get either English, Irish, Dutch, Scottish etc... GEDmatch is amateur trash just like G25 even if we narrow it down to just Eurogenes K13 and Eurogenes K15 then Eurogenes K13 and Eurogenes K15 give me significantly different results -- K13 Irish and K15 SW English. Furthermore, K13 was ostensibly made for Europeans mixed with Asians or Asiatics and K15 for Europeans mixed with Amerindians etc... but that is not even what it is used for and most people don't even know this.

This is what real science looks like :

http://genetics.cs.ucla.edu/spa/

[J. Ketch]

Interesting. I saw that in Upland Southern Whites, the closest GEDMATCH matches were with SW English. I thought the Upland South such as Tennessee, Arkansas and Kentucky were inhabited mainly by Ulster Scots, while the Deep South such as Alabama and Louisiana were inhabited by Cavaliers from Southwest England. Or is all of the South now a blend of Ulster Scots and SW Anglos?
Collected GEDmatch averages are not a reliable guide to the ancestry of those states, for one thing the old British Isles references were not very representative.

Reported Scots-Irish ancestry by area. I'd guess most districts besides those that are darkest red would be more of a mix of English and Scots-Irish, or mostly English.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Scotch_irish1346.gif

[Leto]

Not fully Anglo-Australian but nevertheless interesting results - her father is a Latvian from Riga, mother is a colonial Australian.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit XM8792956

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.45
2 Baltic 39.18
3 West_Med 9.62
4 West_Asian 6.85
5 South_Asian 1.69
6 Northeast_African 0.8
7 Oceanian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 6.53
2 Southwest_Finnish 8.64
3 Swedish 9.78
4 East_German 10.16
5 South_Polish 11.23
6 Polish 11.73
7 North_German 12.19
8 Austrian 12.43
9 Norwegian 12.86
10 Finnish 13.51
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.67
12 Ukrainian 13.75
13 Danish 13.82
14 Estonian 13.93
15 Hungarian 13.95
16 North_Dutch 14.14
17 Russian_Smolensk 14.72
18 Belorussian 14.97
19 Estonian_Polish 15.51
20 Croatian 15.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.2% Irish + 48.8% Lithuanian @ 2.57
2 50.3% Lithuanian + 49.7% West_Scottish @ 2.83
3 57.8% Norwegian + 42.2% Lithuanian @ 2.91
4 64.8% Swedish + 35.2% Lithuanian @ 2.93
5 55.4% North_Dutch + 44.6% Lithuanian @ 3.08
6 56% Danish + 44% Lithuanian @ 3.18
7 60.9% Swedish + 39.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.27
8 52% Orcadian + 48% Lithuanian @ 3.3
9 55.1% Swedish + 44.9% Polish @ 3.44
10 53.6% Norwegian + 46.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.45
11 51.7% Lithuanian + 48.3% Southwest_English @ 3.57
12 59.4% North_German + 40.6% Lithuanian @ 3.57
13 54.7% Estonian + 45.3% Irish @ 3.62
14 62.4% Swedish + 37.6% Estonian_Polish @ 3.66
15 52.5% Polish + 47.5% Norwegian @ 3.7
16 61.6% Swedish + 38.4% Belorussian @ 3.75
17 53.6% North_German + 46.4% Estonian @ 3.78
18 50.4% Estonian + 49.6% North_Dutch @ 3.84
19 63.8% Swedish + 36.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.84
20 55% Norwegian + 45% Estonian_Polish @ 3.87


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 28.21
2 Atlantic 25.17
3 Baltic 23.71
4 Eastern_Euro 14.44
5 West_Med 3.95
6 West_Asian 3.43
7 South_Asian 0.59
8 Northeast_African 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 7
2 East_German 8.86
3 Finnish 10.08
4 Polish 10.12
5 South_Polish 10.53
6 North_Swedish 11.15
7 North_German 11.33
8 Austrian 11.49
9 Estonian 11.69
10 Hungarian 11.71
11 Ukrainian 12.42
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.44
13 Swedish 12.58
14 Russian_Smolensk 13.09
15 La_Brana-1 13.34
16 Croatian 13.51
17 Danish 13.62
18 Belorussian 13.76
19 North_Dutch 13.99
20 Norwegian 14.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.2% Irish + 47.8% Lithuanian @ 2.23
2 51.2% West_Scottish + 48.8% Lithuanian @ 2.45
3 52.5% Belorussian + 47.5% Irish @ 2.81
4 59.7% North_German + 40.3% Lithuanian @ 2.91
5 53.5% Belorussian + 46.5% West_Scottish @ 2.98
6 51% Southeast_English + 49% Lithuanian @ 3.11
7 55% Danish + 45% Lithuanian @ 3.23
8 52.1% Lithuanian + 47.9% Orcadian @ 3.27
9 51.6% Estonian_Polish + 48.4% Irish @ 3.37
10 56.9% Belorussian + 43.1% Orcadian @ 3.43
11 54.4% North_Dutch + 45.6% Lithuanian @ 3.46
12 50.5% Belorussian + 49.5% North_Dutch @ 3.48
13 52.6% Estonian_Polish + 47.4% West_Scottish @ 3.56
14 55.3% North_German + 44.7% Belorussian @ 3.58
15 50.3% Danish + 49.7% Belorussian @ 3.58
16 54% Russian_Smolensk + 46% Irish @ 3.63
17 55% Russian_Smolensk + 45% West_Scottish @ 3.68
18 61% Polish + 39% Irish @ 3.69
19 50.6% North_Dutch + 49.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.81
20 53.9% Belorussian + 46.1% Southeast_English @ 3.81


Gedrosia 5.99 Pct
Siberian 0.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 29.43 Pct
North_European 56.57 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus 6.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.3 Pct

Distance to: KB
4.08891184 PL_Warmia-Masuria
5.75246904 Sorb_Lusatia
6.59233646 Polish_mixed
7.75419886 Swedish
9.07812205 German
9.26822529 PL_Mazovia
9.30034946 Belorussian
9.37156871 Belarus_Minsk
9.45860983 Czech
9.59151709 Russian_Smolensk

Target: KB
Distance: 0.9701% / 0.97006811 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.0 Swedish
33.0 Lithuanian
5.0 PL_Warmia-Masuria

Target: KB
Distance: 0.6924% / 0.69238044 | R2P
53.6 Lithuanian
46.4 Irish