Insulting new members in their intro threads

[Loki]

This is one of the things I hate the most, and one of the things most likely to chase away new members. With this I include accusations (false, without evidence) that the new member is a "sockpuppet".

I've warned enough about this, I have just banned 3 members for 2 days each for this violation. (TheMaestro, Hektor12, XenophobicPrussian)

[Cristiano viejo]

There are many chances many "new" users are sockpuppets, it already has happened before.

[Loki]

There are many chances many "new" users are sockpuppets, it already has happened before.

Leave that to staff members to deal with. You are not allowed to accuse a new member of that. If you have a concern about a new member, send me a private message instead.

[Cristiano viejo]

Leave that to staff members to deal with. You are not allowed to accuse a new member of that. If you have a concern about a new member, send me a private message instead.

ok but a joke is a joke. Banning people for simple jokes is a bit abusive. I understand you are angry with Boris Johnson state of siege but come on...

[Loki]

ok but a joke is a joke. Banning people for simple jokes is a bit abusive. I understand you are angry with Boris Johnson state of siege but come on...

No you have to understand how intimidating it must be for a new member who come here, gather enough courage to post an intro thread, and then be attacked by 3 established members in a row for no reason. And no, it's not a joke. It is serious to me.

[Ruggery]

Visiting the intro threads, I've seen more people do that, so the 3 of them aren't the only ones.

[sudnoSS]

sockpuppet? in what sense?

[LittleDarkAge]

sockpuppet? in what sense?

It means a former member is using a secondary account to create chaos across the forum. Basically trolling.

[Abdelnour]

This forum does not receive much traffic today than it did 2014-2016. Being banned and creating a new account to cause chaos here is pretty damn pathetic.

[black hole]

This forum does not receive much traffic today than it did 2014-2016. Being banned and creating a new account to cause chaos here is pretty damn pathetic.



I agree, if I understand what you mean by "much traffic in 2014-2016". When someone needs a much traffic - sockpuppets are always welcome regardless how damn pathetic they are :rolleyes:

[Christen]

No you have to understand how intimidating it must be for a new member who come here, gather enough courage to post an intro thread, and then be attacked by 3 established members in a row for no reason. And no, it's not a joke. It is serious to me.

I totally agree. The message of hektor12 was very rude and unwelcoming, telling me to talk to a "genuine Austrian member" (his words, more or less) in order to prove my identity, acting as if he owns the forum.

[Tacitus]

So...does this mean Nunavut was a legit account or not?

[Komintasavalta]

I guess I'll get banned now too, but Christen is most likely the troll with a thousand socks. He is behind most of these new accounts who say that we shouldn't question if other new accounts are socks.

Christen has the custom title "Dr. Prof.", which I think is a reference to how Immanenz used to have a custom title like "Univ. Prof. Dr.". It was mentioned by Gommi, who was another sock of the thousand-sock troll (and who like Immanenz and Christen had an Austrian flag) (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7029136#post7029136):

https://i.ibb.co/hKmQ7fj/a.jpg

In the image above, Episteme is another account by the troll, where he pretended to be the AnthroScape user HenryW and he pretended to expose his own socks. The troll also registered here using Immanenz's username on AnthroScape (SamuelPomper).

Gommi bragged that he hacked AnthroScape (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335721-Rank-Austria-s-neighbours-from-most-to-least-phenotypically-similar-to-it/page4&p=7030919#post7030919):

https://i.ibb.co/pbJrHy2/20210106043553.jpg

Gommi also threatened to hack this forum (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335721-Rank-Austria-s-neighbours-from-most-to-least-phenotypically-similar-to-it&p=7031285#post7031285):


Just wait a few weeks/months and you'll see....do you know what happened to as, italicroots ?

Wait and see...in the meanwhile, I'll play with you

I think the troll accidentally made the same post a few minutes apart with his socks Steppe Timelord and Gommi (or maybe this is some kind of 4D trolling where he did it intentionally) (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?274771-Classify-Talking-Head-s-David-Byrne&p=7029497#post7029497):

https://i.ibb.co/GHVYqvh/20210106043433.jpg

Both Steppe Timelord (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339194-Classify-these-two-3D-morphs&p=7048782&posted=1#post7048782) and SamuelPomper (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?336000-http-humanphenotypes-net&p=6973777&viewfull=1#post6973777) have also used the term "3d morph" to refer to a 3d model of a human head.

Like other socks by the troll with a thousand socks, Christen made a thread where he introduced himself (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340061-Hallo). In the thread, he said that he has a "passion for anthropology and classifications" even though he said that he learned about this forum from his friend. Does anyone care about classification who has not posted on anthroforums before? Many socks by the thousand-sock-troll pretend to be newbies who are unfamiliar with anthroforums, but then they immediately start posting in classification threads using anthrotard jargon.

Christen also wrote "Alpine-dinaric" (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340044-Christian-Dickinger-Austrian-author&p=7065470#post7065470) and "Pontic-dinaric" (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340072-Classify-russian-girl&p=7065766#post7065766), but the thousand-sock troll often writes the name of types in lowercase, or he writes the second part of two-part names like "Alpine-dinaric" in lowercase. His sock Steppe Timelord even wrote "Alpine-dinaric" with the exact same capitalization (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339078-Classify-jew-mathematician-Benoit-Mandelbrot&p=7045543&viewfull=1#post7045543).

Similar to other socks of the thousand-sock troll, Christen sometimes puts an empty line between paragraphs and sometimes not, he wrote "hmm" (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340061-Hallo&p=7065761#post7065761), and he has alternated between using single quotes and double quotes for scare quotes.


So...does this mean Nunavut was a legit account or not?

No. Hektor12 found the person whose photos he used on Facebook (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339814-Classify-me-please-(Danish-Greenlandic)/page6). And Nunavut is now banned too.

[Crn Volk]

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[Hasien]

https://i.gifer.com/TbGd.gif

Sometimes I wonder how many actual users this forum has and how many Bots xD

[Christen]

I guess I'll get banned now too, but Christen is most likely the troll with a thousand socks. He is behind most of these new accounts who say that we shouldn't question if other new accounts are socks.

Christen has the custom title "Dr. Prof.", which I think is a reference to how Immanenz used to have a custom title like "Univ. Prof. Dr.". It was mentioned by Gommi, who was another sock of the thousand-sock troll (and who like Immanenz and Christen had an Austrian flag) (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7029136#post7029136):

https://i.ibb.co/hKmQ7fj/a.jpg

In the image above, Episteme is another account by the troll, where he pretended to be the AnthroScape user HenryW and he pretended to expose his own socks. The troll also registered here using Immanenz's username on AnthroScape (SamuelPomper).

Gommi bragged that he hacked AnthroScape (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335721-Rank-Austria-s-neighbours-from-most-to-least-phenotypically-similar-to-it/page4&p=7030919#post7030919):

https://i.ibb.co/pbJrHy2/20210106043553.jpg

Gommi also threatened to hack this forum (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?335721-Rank-Austria-s-neighbours-from-most-to-least-phenotypically-similar-to-it&p=7031285#post7031285):



I think the troll accidentally made the same post a few minutes apart with his socks Steppe Timelord and Gommi (or maybe this is some kind of 4D trolling where he did it intentionally) (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?274771-Classify-Talking-Head-s-David-Byrne&p=7029497#post7029497):

https://i.ibb.co/GHVYqvh/20210106043433.jpg

Both Steppe Timelord (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339194-Classify-these-two-3D-morphs&p=7048782&posted=1#post7048782) and SamuelPomper (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?336000-http-humanphenotypes-net&p=6973777&viewfull=1#post6973777) have also used the term "3d morph" to refer to a 3d model of a human head.

Like other socks by the troll with a thousand socks, Christen made a thread where he introduced himself (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340061-Hallo). In the thread, he said that he has a "passion for anthropology and classifications" even though he said that he learned about this forum from his friend. Does anyone care about classification who has not posted on anthroforums before? Many socks by the thousand-sock-troll pretend to be newbies who are unfamiliar with anthroforums, but then they immediately start posting in classification threads using anthrotard jargon.

Christen also wrote "Alpine-dinaric" (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340044-Christian-Dickinger-Austrian-author&p=7065470#post7065470) and "Pontic-dinaric" (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340072-Classify-russian-girl&p=7065766#post7065766), but the thousand-sock troll often writes the name of types in lowercase, or he writes the second part of two-part names like "Alpine-dinaric" in lowercase. His sock Steppe Timelord even wrote "Alpine-dinaric" with the exact same capitalization (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339078-Classify-jew-mathematician-Benoit-Mandelbrot&p=7045543&viewfull=1#post7045543).

Similar to other socks of the thousand-sock troll, Christen sometimes puts an empty line between paragraphs and sometimes not, he wrote "hmm" (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?340061-Hallo&p=7065761#post7065761), and he has alternated between using single quotes and double quotes for scare quotes.



No. Hektor12 found the person whose photos he used on Facebook (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339814-Classify-me-please-(Danish-Greenlandic)/page6). And Nunavut is now banned too.

What? Is this supposed to be a joke? Because it's not funny.

You know that Austria has 9 million inhabitants and there is more than just one professor?
I already know taxonomy because I have read the works of Coon et al. before joining the forum.
I don't know gommi, immanenz, steppe timelord and the other members that you have mentioned.

To the lowercase non sequitur: if half of the forum writes the first letter in uppercase and the other half in lowercase does it means that there are just two members? No.There are few combinations so you will notice that members will use one of such combinations, obviously.

Your accusations are baseless. Focus on the content of my posts instead: I have never trolled.
I thought that it was a nice idea to post an introduction but perhaps I was wrong, given the reactions of some established members.
I have seen other introductions and you and others seem to do the same with new members. That's why Loki has decided to open this discussion, I presume.

[Komintasavalta]

You and your sock Nunavut also misspelled my username the same way:



I dont know your real gender but youre one of them with %50 probability.

You and komintasalva are among the worst users and should be banned, stop stalking and harassing me.

Loki is an intelligent person and he will surely understand that there could be other professors in a country with 9 million inhabitants, unlike you, komintasalva and all the other members throwing false accusations without any factual evidence.

[Jana]

Oho, I didn't even see this until now. Good to see somebody else also noticed another Austrian using Prof.Dr. below his username is extremely unlikely to be legit.

[Christen]

You and your sock Nunavut also misspelled my username the same way:

It that a valid proof? Another non sequitur.

I have seen this mispell also on a discussion of hektor12. Perhaps it's a common mispell. Or everyone who uses it is a "sock" now?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339145-T%C3%BCrk-taklidi-yapan-troll-socklar-hk

"BTHUN, Altaylı, placebo, Edgü bunların geçen Komintasalva'nın bahsettiği her gün yeni üyelik alan akıl hastası kişinin hesapları olduğunu düşünüyorum. Türk üyeler olarak bunları forum yönetimine bildirsek uygun işlemi yaparlar mı ne dersiniz burada eski olanlar ?""

[Christen]

Oho, I didn't even see this until now. Good to see somebody else also noticed another Austrian using Prof.Dr. below his username is extremely unlikely to be legit.

Mine is "dr. prof.", Immanenz used (if true. I have seen his profile, he doesn't have that statement below his username) "univ. prof. dr.".
Some similarities are inevitable, out of tens of thousands of registered members. It's statistics and probability 101.

[TheMaestro]

I asked him normally, I didnt use any insult and I welcomed him to the forum, I see no reason why I got banned but w/e

[Celestia]

Most have been socks though lol. It’s getting repetitive.

[Christen]

I asked him normally, I didnt use any insult and I welcomed him to the forum, I see no reason why I got banned but w/e

I can attest that I did not have a problem with your posts; just with the tone and insinuations of hektor12 and the lawspeaker*, if I correctly recall.

*I should add komintasavalta

[Mr.G]

I was accused of sockery upon my arrival here, so I know the feeling.

I take the wait and see approach, to these new accounts.

[Hektor12]

I was accused of sockery upon my arrival here, so I know the feeling.

I take the wait and see approach, to these new accounts.

Its not like im targeting new members for no reason. Theres a mentally ill person who was revealed by Komintasavalta; making new accounts daily and trying to troll people with fake personalities. Im sure that this new member is the same person (banned Nunavut, still free Imeruat and others...) because its the same 50 iq braindead english language which is clearly fake, and interestingly becomes a much more casul language after a few posts, hes targeting my friend Immanenz, for some reason which has roots in another place as Komintasavalta explained, he uses Immanenz's profile (Austrian, male, prof sign, etc...) and i was %100 sure because Nunavut mentioned to Immanenz in one of his last posts.


Interesting, I have an Italian friend called Enzo Immane, or Immane Enzo.

And this person, who is male and Austrian, not able to speak German but uses Latin in his posts, which is not suprising for someone with "Italian" language skills...

Italian language skills?


Ho un amico originario di un paesino vicino a Udine che dice sempre mandi frus.

Gli italiani sono i migliori!

And forum admin protects sock-troll against 3 normal users and even punishes them for their "very light" questioning. This is the part which disappointed me. I dont know this place but forum moderation rejected my registration 2 times, and i had to register for third time here, after long efforts and they finally approved my registration. So i was thinking that this forum has a good administration. But i see now its one-man's rule. Well, his place, his rules, i accept this.

Im not a detective or something, i just saw this troll targeting my friend Immanenz and i qustioned his authenticity.

[Komintasavalta]

Yeah, I assume that he has some degree of knowledge of multiple wog languages, including Romanian, Italian, Spanish, and Latin.

Nunavut also posted in Latin:


Just kidding, unicuique suum/to each its own.

This passage is among my favourites:

"Est enim unum ius quo devincta est hominum societas et quod lex constituit una , quae lex est recta ratio imperandi atque prohibendi."

The full section (Cicero, De Legibus, Liber primus, 42):

Iam uero illud stultissimum, existimare omnia iusta esse quae s<​c>ita sint in populorum institutis aut legibus. Etiamne si quae leges sint tyrannorum? Si triginta illi Athenis leges inponere uoluissent, et si omnes Athenienses delectarentur tyrannicis legibus, num idcirco eae leges iustae haberentur? Nihilo credo magis illa quam interrex noster tulit, ut dictator quem uellet ciuium <​nominatim> aut indicta causa inpune posset occidere. Est enim unum ius quo deuincta est hominum societas et quod lex constituit una, quae lex est recta ratio imperandi atque prohibendi. Quam qui ignorat, is est iniustus, siue est illa scripta uspiam siue nusquam. Quodsi iustitia est obtemperatio scriptis legibus institutisque populorum, et si, ut eidem dicunt, utilitate omnia metienda sunt, negleget leges easque perrumpet, si poterit, is qui sibi eam rem fructuosam putabit fore. Ita fit ut nulla sit omnino iustitia, si neque natura est <​et> ea quae propter utilitatem constituitur utilitate <​a>lia conuellitur.

When his sock Empedocle wrote in Italian, an Italian user said that he is not a native speaker (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?338427-Greetings-to-everyone&p=7032401&viewfull=1#post7032401). When Zarass (who I think is him but I'm not yet sure) wrote in Spanish, a Spanish user said this: "Eres tú el que no eres español (se te nota en cómo escribes)" ("It is you who are not Spanish (it shows in how you write)") (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?328751-Main-phenotypes-among-these-Spanish-nationalists-from-Madrid&p=6818939&viewfull=1#post6818939). When his sock Cuman_w posted in Romanian, a Romanian user said that it was not machine-translated (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?283943-Place-and-classify-Luciana-Lixandru-entrepreneur&p=6986149&viewfull=1#post6986149). I'm not 100% sure if Dobruja is him, but Dobruja also wrote in Romanian (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?337965-Gagauz-are-real-G%F6k-Oguz-T%FCrk!&p=7040720#post7040720).

(Zarass had an Andorran flag, which looks like the flags of Moldova and Romania. The user Kalibak (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?20198-Kalibak) who has a flag of Chad is probably also him.)

His sock Gommi wrote this about himself in the third person, which might have actually been true:


I remember that, on AS, he has written that he knows Italian and that he has almost a degree in romance languages (he deleted such info very soon, btw)

[Ninata]

No you have to understand how intimidating it must be for a new member who come here, gather enough courage to post an intro thread, and then be attacked by 3 established members in a row for no reason. And no, it's not a joke. It is serious to me.

Yes, you have a point. It was a strange feeling.

[Loki]

Of course, it doesn't mean the new member will always be innocent -- at times it could be a sockpuppet indeed. But let's err on the side of caution initially, please. For the sake of the genuine new members who sign up. Trolls and sockpuppets will inevitably be found out later on. And if they don't, then it probably means they're not doing much harm anyway...

[Cristiano viejo]

I was accused of sockery upon my arrival here, so I know the feeling.

I take the wait and see approach, to these new accounts.
There must be an endemic thing because I also was accused. I even had not still posted a single post and a supposed French user started to insult me via PM accusing me of being a former Spanish user.

Things of TA ;)

[The Lawspeaker]

Petruski here shows why we should have reservations about new members, Loki.

[placebo]

i don't know what happened but why is everybody here acting like sherlock holmes? just relax. brainless fools like hektor12 blaming members of being sock accounts. but actually he looks like a sock account too lol. he blamed me once and i'm sure he's searching my photos and trying to find a proof. because he really has mental problems imo. i hope he finds and contact me. thereby maybe he'll realize that he's a retard imbecile.

[Altaylı]

i don't know what happened but why is everybody here acting like sherlock holmes? just relax. brainless fools like hektor12 blaming members of being sock accounts. but actually he looks like a sock account too lol. he blamed me once and i'm sure he's searching my photos and trying to find a proof. because he really has mental problems imo. i hope he finds and contact me. thereby maybe he'll realize that he's a retard imbecile.

Hektor12 banned from TA i am very happy:clap::bounce::jump0000:

[placebo]

Hektor12 banned from TA i am very happy:clap::bounce::jump0000:

i don't care his ban situation as long as he doesn't mess with me. i laughed first but it's just annoying when a idiot who looks more like a sockpuppet than we are to blame us.

[Christen]

i don't know what happened but why is everybody here acting like sherlock holmes? just relax. brainless fools like hektor12 blaming members of being sock accounts. but actually he looks like a sock account too lol. he blamed me once and i'm sure he's searching my photos and trying to find a proof. because he really has mental problems imo. i hope he finds and contact me. thereby maybe he'll realize that he's a retard imbecile.

I second that.
Of course, as Loki said before, there could be some sock accounts, it's inevitable, but accusing every new member of being a sock without any evidence is an abnormous exaggeration and it harms the whole community. Judging from the often provokative and verbally abusive style of the posts written by hektor12 I've read so far, he could have been a sock account, indeed. He seemed to be a toxic and unstable member, in my opinion.

[Altaylı]

I second that.
Of course, as Loki said before, there could be some sock accounts, it's inevitable, but accusing every new member of being a sock without any evidence is an abnormous exaggeration and it harms the whole community. Judging from the often provokative and verbally abusive style of the posts written by hektor12 I've read so far, he could have been a sock account, indeed. He seemed to be a toxic and unstable member, in my opinion.

100% agree

[Mejgusu]

Imagine hektor itself has here various accounts to fuel conflicts here. No joke, it is sad that people manage various accounts in a random forum for this reason.

[Loki]

I'm banning Komintasavalta permanently for continual harassment of members and even getting them banned for being suspected sockpuppets (although he has no proof). I've had enough of this.