Chernyakhov culture

[Jana]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernyakhov_culture

The Chernyakhov culture, or Sântana de Mureș culture, is an archaeological culture that flourished between the 2nd and 5th centuries AD in a wide area of Eastern Europe, specifically in what is now Ukraine, Romania, Moldova and parts of Belarus. The culture is thought to be the result of a multiethnic cultural mix of the Sarmatian, Slavic, Gothic, and Geto-Dacian (including Romanised Daco-Romans) populations of the area.

Target: MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_
Distance: 1.2894% / 1.28944600 | R4P

40.5 Welsh
35.1 Greek_Northern-Thrace
19.2 Moldova_Ukrainian
5.2 North_Ossetian

Target: MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_
Distance: 1.6899% / 1.68994659 | R3P

62.8 Romania_Crisana
31.5 Norwegian
5.7 Balkar

Distance to: MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_

5.83931503 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.33553471 Székely
7.61924537 Csángó
7.86698163 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.89776551 Croat_West
7.92176748 Austrian
8.02846187 Hungarian
8.69301444 Hungarian_Alföld
9.08396940 Croat
9.11902407 Romania_Crisana

My parents and also Stears and Hrvoje get this as their top match when it comes to ancient samples. I don't though, I get early Czech Slav first.
I think this ancient mix is vaguely similar to what some north Balkanites/Balkan-shifted Hungarians have.

[Leto]

Is that G25? You can add some more meaningful models.

[Jana]

Is that G25? You can add some more meaningful models.

No, K13. More meaningful? Sorry but I fail to understand what you mean.

[Leto]

No, K13. More meaningful? Sorry but I fail to understand what you mean.
G25 is a lot better for modeling ancients, Gedmatch is for moderns. Did you completely give up on G25?

[Jana]

G25 is a lot better for modeling ancients, Gedmatch is for moderns. Did you completely give up on G25?

Yes. I don't think G25 is better for ancients, not now when K13 has tons of ancient samples.
And my point was to show which modern pops are similar to this culture which is top match for southern Central Euros and some northern Balkanites.

[smd555]

If there were Slavs in Chernyakhiv culture, we cannot see them because they had cremation.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes. I don't think G25 is better for ancients, not now when K13 has tons of ancient samples.
And my point was to show which modern pops are similar to this culture which is top match for southern Central Euros and some northern Balkanites.

I think it's better in this case because k13 measures bronze age components like Baltic and NA, and G25 also measures older ones like WHG, ANE and Steppe.
Chernaykhiv could have some extra steppe which k13 can't detect.

[vbnetkhio]

I think this ancient mix is vaguely similar to what some north Balkanites/Balkan-shifted Hungarians have.

All the most mixed samples from BA/IA are similar to modern Balkanians.
That mixed Visigoth from Girona, the Corded Ware sample with a weird EEF/WHG ratio, and many samples from Hungary/Moldova/Ukraine which was a transitional area between all the neighbouring populations.

[Jana]

I think it's better in this case because k13 measures bronze age components like Baltic and NA, and G25 also measures older ones like WHG, ANE and Steppe.
Chernaykhiv could have some extra steppe which k13 can't detect.

I would get them on G25 with oldrawdata so I don't think there is a difference. You can measure WHG, steppe and ANE on Vahaduo too since ancient calcs contain such samples.

[Jana]

If there were Slavs in Chernyakhiv culture, we cannot see them because they had cremation.

It looks very mixed IMO, NE Euro, Med/southern and something NW like.

[17571imre]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernyakhov_culture

The Chernyakhov culture, or Sântana de Mureș culture, is an archaeological culture that flourished between the 2nd and 5th centuries AD in a wide area of Eastern Europe, specifically in what is now Ukraine, Romania, Moldova and parts of Belarus. The culture is thought to be the result of a multiethnic cultural mix of the Sarmatian, Slavic, Gothic, and Geto-Dacian (including Romanised Daco-Romans) populations of the area.

Target: MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_
Distance: 1.2894% / 1.28944600 | R4P

40.5 Welsh
35.1 Greek_Northern-Thrace
19.2 Moldova_Ukrainian
5.2 North_Ossetian

Target: MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_
Distance: 1.6899% / 1.68994659 | R3P

62.8 Romania_Crisana
31.5 Norwegian
5.7 Balkar

Distance to: MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_

5.83931503 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.33553471 Székely
7.61924537 Csángó
7.86698163 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.89776551 Croat_West
7.92176748 Austrian
8.02846187 Hungarian
8.69301444 Hungarian_Alföld
9.08396940 Croat
9.11902407 Romania_Crisana

My parents and also Stears and Hrvoje get this as their top match when it comes to ancient samples. I don't though, I get early Czech Slav first.
I think this ancient mix is vaguely similar to what some north Balkanites/Balkan-shifted Hungarians have.

its also my first match!

Distance to: mh
4.76752556 MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_
5.52210105 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
5.76206560 AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp
6.01314394 SZ5_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
6.51835869 R62_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
6.92167610 DA197_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2510_ybp
7.20507460 SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
7.41647490 SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
7.68966839 I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp
8.39688633 R61_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
8.60426057 ANI163_Bulgaria_Varna_EN3_6577_ybp
8.90449886 CL63_longobard_north_italy
9.39539249 I5529_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4250_ybp
9.55516091 CL49_longobard_north_italy
9.56268268 R108_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.57241871 CL53_longobard_north_italy
9.64807235 I3529_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4300_ybp
9.73777182 I4945_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4168_ybp
9.83945629 STR228_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1483_ybp
10.17260045 I4885_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4166_ybp
10.27094932 I4886_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4074_ybp
10.35991795 DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary_
10.49982381 BR2_Hungary_1200_BC
10.62518235 I4124_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4284_ybp
10.76331269 R1219_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy


on modern im closest to Hungarian Transylvanian

[Arhat]

G25 is a lot better for modeling ancients, Gedmatch is for moderns. Did you completely give up on G25?

I think you can use some puntdnal calcs from Gedmatch for ancients because they are based on ancient components like WHG, EHG, EEF and so but 100% surely not the Eurogenes calcs not because they are bad but because they are entirely based on modern genomes and drift so ancients will get wrong and weird results.

[RicoSuave]

Here you go Cernjakhov:


Distance: 2.5700% / 0.02570001
50.2 Slav_proxy
13.0 Avar
9.8 Tibetan_Xunhua
7.6 Fulani
6.8 Yemenite_Amran
4.0 Yukagir_Forest
3.0 Khonda_Dora
3.0 Tajik_Rushan
1.0 Tlingit
0.8 Mbuti
0.4 Bantu_Kenya
0.4 Ethiopian_Ari

You want European version ok gezuar:


Distance: 2.0965% / 0.02096464
46.0 Slav_proxy
38.0 Albanian
4.6 Tajik_Ishkashim
4.6 Tibetan_Xunhua
3.6 Fulani
1.0 Avar
1.0 Ethiopian_Ari
0.6 Mbuti
0.4 Saudi
0.2 Tlingit

[Nurzat]

it seems that is my top match as well. it is high on North Atlantic (32%), while on Baltic one of the Chernyakhov samples is 26% (this one) while the other one is 37%


Distance to: Nurzat
9.37552665 MJ37_Chernyakhov_2430386_AD_
11.99331480 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
12.11417352 I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp
12.13083262 Bul4_Bulgaria_Yamnaya_o_4906_ybp
12.22616048 DA197_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2510_ybp
12.35055869 STR228_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1483_ybp
12.57368681 AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
12.96034722 MJ34_West_Scythian_R1a0Z93_
13.07907871 SZ5_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
13.21165395 I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp