TEXAS Gedmatch Kits. Mexican Americans from Texas

[Argentano]

In a previous thread i made a little experiment to see the ancestry results of New Mexico Hispanics from Gedmatch

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334012-New-Mexican-Hispanics-Ancestry-Gedmatch-kits-versus-a-2019-study

Here i did something similar but with Mexican Americans from Texas.

First i searched for a surname that is extremely typical in Texas BUT very rare in Mexico and also rare in other parts of USA like for example California. That surname is Trevino. Its a "Mexican" Texan surname.
Interestingly the only part of mexico were this surname is common is Nuevo leon that borders Texas and is one of the most euro states of Mexico. (similar to the results of this gedmatch kits)
Then i made a chart with all the Gedmatch mexican americans with Trevino surname that i could find

This ancestry results should be representative of Mexican Americans living in Texas.

https://i.imgur.com/Xbfvu0b.png

[Argentano]

The average result of this Texans with surname Trevino is

European 67.6%
South Asian 0.6%
Native American 28.5%
Northeast African 1.17%
SSA 2.13%

[Argentano]

Regarding the surname even when its origin is probably Nuevo Leon, Its much more common in Texas than in Nuevo Leon

https://forebears.io/surnames/trevino

Texas 1 every 629
Nuevo León 1 every 12,172

[PaleoEuropean]

Trevino is a pretty common surname in Texas and NM. The Euro and Indian makes sense but the African is kinda weird. I haven't heard to much of border people mixing with slaves or freed african americans.

[Argentano]

Trevino is a pretty common surname in Texas and NM. The Euro and Indian makes sense but the African is kinda weird. I haven't heard to much of border people mixing with slaves or freed african americans.

You are talking about the 2.13% SSA? That level Is not rare at all for mestizos/harnizos.

[PaleoEuropean]

Also the name is rare in Mexico because its mostly a Tejano name, Tejanos are somewhat unique. A lot of them had more recent immigration from Iberia than the rest of Mexico; so they have some rarer mixes and names.

[Argentano]

Trevino is a pretty common surname in Texas and NM. The Euro and Indian makes sense but the African is kinda weird. I haven't heard to much of border people mixing with slaves or freed african americans.

You are talking about the 2.13% SSA? That level Is not rare at all for mestizos/harnizos.

[hmaohma78]

The ancestry seems accurate to me regarding Tejanos. Regarding the ssa it seems to be accurate, although on some calculators gedmatch does overestimate ssa. I am not sure if this is the case or not.

[perikolez]

Also the name is rare in Mexico because its mostly a Tejano name, Tejanos are somewhat unique. A lot of them had more recent immigration from Iberia than the rest of Mexico; so they have some rarer mixes and names.

I wouldnt say that it is exclusively a tejano surname. Treviño surname is also very common in Monterrey and northeastern Mexico. Even one of the most popular mexican singers (Gloria Trevi) has this surname. Tejano population is not very big. Then you can find many more Treviño in Northeastern Mexico than Treviño-Trevino in Texas.

[Argentano]

Also the name is rare in Mexico because its mostly a Tejano name, Tejanos are somewhat unique. A lot of them had more recent immigration from Iberia than the rest of Mexico; so they have some rarer mixes and names.

Exactly, as you said the surname is not Mexican but Tejano. Thats why i used it its perfect for this "experiment"

The result 67.6% european is similar to what i saw when adding mexican americans from new mexico. Both are clearly more european than typical mexicans

[hmaohma78]

Trevino is Tejano
Treviño is Mexican
The ñ is the difference

[perikolez]

Exactly, as you said the surname is not Mexican but Tejano. Thats why i used it its perfect for this "experiment"

The result 67.6% european is similar to what i saw when adding mexican americans from new mexico. Both are clearly more european than typical mexicans

Because northern Mexico is full of inmigrants from central-southern Mexico mainly in biggest cities. I think that northern mexicans from rural villages are as europeans as new mexicans or tejanos.

[Argentano]

The ancestry seems accurate to me regarding Tejanos. Regarding the ssa it seems to be accurate, although on some calculators gedmatch does overestimate ssa. I am not sure if this is the case or not.


Also the name is rare in Mexico because its mostly a Tejano name, Tejanos are somewhat unique. A lot of them had more recent immigration from Iberia than the rest of Mexico; so they have some rarer mixes and names.


A Question to both.

According to what i have seen in genetic studies and gedmatch results, Mexican Americans with roots in USA since 1700-1800 seem to be significantly more european than Mexican Americans with recent mexican roots 1980-2020

Like the first ones being 65% euro on average and the second ones being around 45% euro on average

Is this something that is percieved by american society? Or mexican americans are all seen as the same group?

[perikolez]

Trevino is Tejano
Treviño is Mexican
The ñ is the difference

It is the same surname. This surmane come from Treviño County in Alava-Burgos provinces. Tejano Trevinos where orignally Treviños when they were mexican citizens. When EEUU conquered Texas, they deformed that surname because they didnt know ñ letter.

[liveforthenight]

Id like to see one done on Mexicans in Florida because the ones here are very amerindian. All things aside though I dont really count Mexican Americans as Mexicans anymore because they start mixing with other races when they are in the states.

[PaleoEuropean]

A Question to both.

According to what i have seen in genetic studies and gedmatch results, Mexican Americans with roots in USA since 1700-1800 seem to be significantly more european than Mexican Americans with recent mexican roots 1980-2020

Like the first ones being 65% euro on average and the second ones being around 45% euro on average

Is this something that is percieved by american society? Or mexican americans are all seen as the same group?

The earlier Mexican Americans came mostly from the middle and upper class, you can find a lot of old money in the Mexican American community at least in legacy.

[hmaohma78]

A Question to both.

According to what i have seen in genetic studies and gedmatch results, Mexican Americans with roots in USA since 1700-1800 seem to be significantly more european than Mexican Americans with recent mexican roots 1980-2020

Like the first ones being 65% euro on average and the second ones being around 45% euro on average

Is this something that is percieved by american society? Or mexican americans are all seen as the same group?
From my perspective as a whole, they are both viewed the same by americans in west. The only racial differential observations made by people are why are east coast mexicans more amerindian influenced then the one's in the west. Of course some old school chicanos do themselves differentiate themselves from the more recent descendants but not because of racial reason but cultural reasons.

[PaleoEuropean]

From my perspective as a whole, they are both viewed the same by americans in west. The only racial differential observations made by people are why are east coast mexicans more amerindian influenced then the one's in the west. Of course some old school chicanos do themselves differentiate themselves from the more recent descendants but not because of racial reason but cultural reasons.

Yea its an interesting dynamic. Chicanos consider people born in Mexico Pisa's, but they don't discriminate against them and intermarry. But they do distinguish themselves.

[hmaohma78]

It is the same surname. This surmane come from Treviño County in Alava-Burgos provinces. Tejano Trevinos where orignally Treviños when they were mexican citizens. When EEUU conquered Texas, they deformed that surname because they didnt know ñ letter.

Entiendo que tienen el mismo origen pero la gran mayoría de los Trevino viven en Estados Unidos. Y Los De Treviño.
En Mexico.

[hmaohma78]

Yea its an interesting dynamic. Chicanos consider people born in Mexico Pisa's, but they don't discriminate against them and intermarry. But they do distinguish themselves.

Yeah they definitely do make a distinction especially with the foreign born ones. They do intermarry I seen a this a lot especially in Albuquerque.

[Argentano]

I wouldnt say that it is exclusively a tejano surname. Treviño surname is also very common in Monterrey and northeastern Mexico. Even one of the most popular mexican singers (Gloria Trevi) has this surname. Tejano population is not very big. Then you can find many more Treviño in Northeastern Mexico than Treviño-Trevino in Texas.

Take into consideration i only used Trevino here. I didnt use Treviño


Because northern Mexico is full of inmigrants from central-southern Mexico mainly in biggest cities. I think that northern mexicans from rural villages are as europeans as new mexicans or tejanos.


The earlier Mexican Americans came mostly from the middle and upper class, you can find a lot of old money in the Mexican American community at least in legacy.


As Paleoeuropean said probably the first mexicans migrating to USA were actually the castizos.

[Latinus]

You are talking about the 2.13% SSA? That level Is not rare at all for mestizos/harnizos.

But average Mexicans, regardless of phenotype, tend to score <<<<<< 5% SSA, or Am I wrong?

I think only in states of Southern Mexico, like Veracruz, you can find a decent chunck of people with 2 digits of SSA admixture.

[hmaohma78]

But average Mexicans, regardless of phenotype, tend to score <<<<<< 5% SSA, or Am I wrong?

I think only in states of Southern Mexico, like Veracruz, you can find a decent chunck of people with 2 digits of SSA admixture.

Average for the country would be like 3.5% ssa. A few states like like Guerrero, oaxaca and colima would be in the 6-9% ssa category. The rest of the states are at 5% ssa or below.

[Latinus]

Average for the country would be like 3.5% ssa. A few states like like Guerrero, oaxaca and colima would be in the 6-9% ssa category. The rest of the states are at 5% ssa or below.

Yeah, Mexico is not very SSA influenced, even in the most African areas. It was a densely populated by Amerindians before the Spaniards arrived, and they didn't import as many Africans there as they did in the Caribbean, or the Portuguese in Brazil.

[Jased]

Yeah, Mexico is not very SSA influenced, even in the most African areas. It was a densely populated by Amerindians before the Spaniards arrived, and they didn't import as many Africans there as they did in the Caribbean, or the Portuguese in Brazil.

The Spaniards brought 200k Africans to Mexico, according to 2015 census they make 1.5 million and they tend to look like this.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzGhqtqQXXpL5Op2eOPNCJvfuG1NjU9 7nkPA&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSn_DLAL_Muv5pDsXamYOgZI_HrT64Zs qqViw&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlBI_6bk-iW0HW2LIDGntmBw63z12YM0UApg&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSahgUf6Kd4pxAWVZf9e7tlXoE7HnKq0 Nhivw&usqp=CAU

A Chicano who looks Afro-mestizo ( mestizo with black ancestry)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4NiwEiNwkZ7qkgmcewI5_fKQu3Rvsw BQhGA&usqp=CAU

[Latinus]

The Spaniards brought 200k Africans to Mexico, according to 2015 census they make 1.5 million and they tend to look like this.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzGhqtqQXXpL5Op2eOPNCJvfuG1NjU9 7nkPA&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSn_DLAL_Muv5pDsXamYOgZI_HrT64Zs qqViw&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlBI_6bk-iW0HW2LIDGntmBw63z12YM0UApg&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSahgUf6Kd4pxAWVZf9e7tlXoE7HnKq0 Nhivw&usqp=CAU

A Chicano who looks Afro-mestizo ( mestizo with black ancestry)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4NiwEiNwkZ7qkgmcewI5_fKQu3Rvsw BQhGA&usqp=CAU

These Afro influenced Mexicans look more like Zambos, they are diferent looking from our common pardos/mulattoids/triracials.

[hmaohma78]

Yeah, Mexico is not very SSA influenced, even in the most African areas. It was a densely populated by Amerindians before the Spaniards arrived, and they didn't import as many Africans there as they did in the Caribbean, or the Portuguese in Brazil.

People with ssa features are only commonly or somewhat commonly found in the coast or near the coast of Guerrero, Oaxaca, Colima, Michoacán, Tamaulipas. The state of veracruz as well. The rest of country they are rare to see.

[Jased]

These Afro influenced Mexicans look more like Zambos, they are diferent looking from our common pardos/mulattoids/triracials.

The third pic and fourth look like 40% Euro and the Chicano maybe 45-50% . Black Mexicans looking stereotypical Zambos not true ..while most do plenty look mulato like average Dominican .

[Latinus]

The third pic and fourth look like 40% Euro and the Chicano maybe 45-50% . Black Mexicans looking stereotypical Zambos not true ..while most do plenty look mulato like average Dominican .

Yeah, I was just basing myself on these pics, I have seen pics of other SSA Mexicans that overlap with Caribbean ones.

[Cristiano viejo]

This, and it was obvious, kills the absurd theory of Kiete and RMuller claiming Treviño was a Sefardic surname and not Spanish :picard1:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334456-Trevi-no-the-Mexican-Sefardic-last-name

[Argentano]

This, and it was obvious, kills the absurd theory of Kiete and RMuller claiming Treviño was a Sefardic surname and not Spanish :picard1:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334456-Trevi-no-the-Mexican-Sefardic-last-name

Here i made a PCA with this Mexican American Texans with Trevino surname.

IF we exclude the ones with some white american ancestry, the others are closer to Iberia but they do seem to have some jewish ancestry. They lean a little towards Sephardic jew

https://i.imgur.com/00zP7xK.png

[Jased]

This, and it was obvious, kills the absurd theory of Kiete and RMuller claiming Treviño was a Sefardic surname and not Spanish :picard1:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334456-Trevi-no-the-Mexican-Sefardic-last-name

I'm Hasien now. Not Kiete not Zuh, Hasien..:p;)

[RMuller]

Also the name is rare in Mexico because its mostly a Tejano name, Tejanos are somewhat unique. A lot of them had more recent immigration from Iberia than the rest of Mexico; so they have some rarer mixes and names.

Trevino's have been in Northeast Mexico and in Texas for over 400 years They don't have recent Iberian ancestry at all. Trevino is a sefardic last name. All Trevino's from Texas have roots from Monterrey,Nuevo Leon Mexico.

[RMuller]

A Question to both.

According to what i have seen in genetic studies and gedmatch results, Mexican Americans with roots in USA since 1700-1800 seem to be significantly more european than Mexican Americans with recent mexican roots 1980-2020

Like the first ones being 65% euro on average and the second ones being around 45% euro on average

Is this something that is percieved by american society? Or mexican americans are all seen as the same group?

American society will view Mexican immigrants different from Mexican-Americans regardless if they are 2nd or 12th generation because of language barrier, immigration status and Americanization.

[Cristiano viejo]

Here i made a PCA with this Mexican American Texans with Trevino surname.

IF we exclude the ones with some white american ancestry, the others are closer to Iberia but they do seem to have some jewish ancestry. They lean a little towards Sephardic jew

https://i.imgur.com/00zP7xK.png
No, they dont have any Jewish ancestry as yourself posted in the OP... and as we can see in the PCA.

[Argentano]

Trevino's have been in Northeast Mexico and in Texas for over 400 years They don't have recent Iberian ancestry at all. Trevino is a sefardic last name. All Trevino's from Texas have roots from Monterrey,Nuevo Leon Mexico.

Check the PCA i posted above This Texan Trevinos are ploting right next to Iberian cluster. Maybee they are leaning towards jewish but they euro is clearly not fully jewish. Far from it actually.

[RMuller]

The earlier Mexican Americans came mostly from the middle and upper class, you can find a lot of old money in the Mexican American community at least in legacy.

Very few Mexican-Americans that lived in the Southwest before it became the USA were middle or upper class ,their was some that had money but they were a minority and many of them alot of land real estate like Eva Longoria's family had in South Texas.

[Jased]

Trevino's have been in Northeast Mexico and in Texas for over 400 years They don't have recent Iberian ancestry at all. Trevino is a sefardic last name. All Trevino's from Texas have roots from Monterrey,Nuevo Leon Mexico.


Indeed, just like Argentano Plot map shows, . Regardless of northern mexicans central and South or Texan mexicans Sephardic jewish appears to be real and pretty consistent gedmatch 23andme and Family tree DNA ETC.

23andme seems to lump the Jewish Into west asian and northern African, while ftdna have more middle eastern population samples that's why they are more accurate when It comes to Jewish /Mena admixture..

[RMuller]

Check the PCA i posted above This Texan Trevinos are ploting right next to Iberian cluster. Maybee they are leaning towards jewish but they euro is clearly not fully jewish. Far from it actually.

Well the first Trevino's that arrived to Monterrey,Mexico were sefardic Jews eventually they were obsorved intermarried with the rest of the Mexican population.

[Cristiano viejo]

Well the first Trevino's that arrived to Monterrey,Mexico were sefardic Jews

FALSE.

[RMuller]

Yeah they definitely do make a distinction especially with the foreign born ones. They do intermarry I seen a this a lot especially in Albuquerque.


All over the Southwest old school Chicanos marry with recent Mexican immigrants that are americanized. A good example is former San Antonio mayor Henry Cisneros his dad family has been like 10 generations in New Mexico and his mom or grandmother was born in Mexico. Very common.

[RMuller]

Here i made a PCA with this Mexican American Texans with Trevino surname.

IF we exclude the ones with some white american ancestry, the others are closer to Iberia but they do seem to have some jewish ancestry. They lean a little towards Sephardic jew

https://i.imgur.com/00zP7xK.png

Do the Trevino's lean closer to North Italians than to Spaniards? Is that what im reading ?:confused:

[Jased]

Do the Trevino's lean closer to North Italians than to Spaniards? Is that what im reading ?:confused:

Between with a bit leaning to the pure Mena Jewish at least that's I see.

[Cristiano viejo]

Between with a bit leaning to the pure Mena Jewish at least that's I see.

ahhaha

[RMuller]

Check the PCA i posted above This Texan Trevinos are ploting right next to Iberian cluster. Maybee they are leaning towards jewish but they euro is clearly not fully jewish. Far from it actually.

Ok, what i meant to say the Trevino's don't have recent Spanish ancestors like spanish abuelos or great great granfathers that were from Spain. All the Trevino's from Texas are colonial.

[RMuller]

Between with a bit leaning to the pure Mena Jewish at least that's I see.

wow cool. Learn something every day. :thumb001:

[hmaohma78]

Between with a bit leaning to the pure Mena Jewish at least that's I see.

Sephardi Jews aren't pure mena though
They are around 30% southern euro( Italian)
13% Ashkenazi Jewish
The rest is mena

[RMuller]

Here are some last names mostly found in Northeast Mexico and Texas who i believe are around 65% euro and have some that can be up to 85% euro.
The Garza;s,Cantu's,Tamez,Alanis and they don't have recent Spanish ancestors. All colonial.

[RMuller]

Sephardi Jews aren't pure mena though
They are around 30% southern euro( Italian)
13% Ashkenazi Jewish
The rest is mena

So a Mexican that is around 1.5% ashkenazi is around 9% Sefardic Jew?

[hmaohma78]

So a Mexican that is around 1.5% ashkenazi is around 9% Sefardic Jew?

If we base it on how much Ashkenazi Jewish the Sephardi Jewish score; then yes it is Around that number. Could be the reason why we lean towards to Italy.

[RMuller]

Between with a bit leaning to the pure Mena Jewish at least that's I see.

Do think alot of the early immigrants from Spain to colonial Mexico were Sefardic Jews?

[Jased]

Here are some last names mostly found in Northeast Mexico and Texas who i believe are around 65% euro and have some that can be up to 85% euro.
The Garza;s,Cantu's,Tamez,Alanis and they don't have recent Spanish ancestors. All colonial.

I don't understand the point the thread tbh. Don't think a certain last name will indicate a certain average admixture I'm first generation Mexican American while my parents arent necessary working class or poor they are not 45% Euro as whole well maybe my father and my mother 70-75% probably and according to my new update I'm 57% European 8% middle eastern and 2/3 euro/ Mena based with the new run.. most of my middle class relatives from Guadalajara look to be 70-85% European

[Jased]

Do think alot of the early immigrants from Spain to colonial Mexico were Sefardic Jews?

They were true pure Castilians were mostly an elite to Mexico city etc

[RMuller]

If we base it on how much Ashkenazi Jewish the Sephardi Jewish score; then yes it is Around that number. Could be the reason why we lean towards to Italy.

Hasien-Kiete posted before Mexican-Americans from Texas with dna and pik results who were like 10-17% Jewish but im not sure what genetic company they used.

[RMuller]

They were true pure Castilians were mostly an elite to Mexico city etc

Those mostly went to Mexico city the sefardic Jews were found in every town pueblo in west central and northern Mexico. Look at some of hmaohma78 relatives from West-Central Mexico many are scoring over 2% Ashkenazi.

[Jased]

Those mostly went to Mexico city the sefardic Jews were found in every town pueblo in west central and northern Mexico. Look at some of hmaohma78 relatives from West-Central Mexico many are scoring over 2% Ashkenazi.

Most Spanish who went to Mexico were poor and peasant many probably had gypsy and Jewish ancestors which Is why almost all Mexicans seem to have Jewish or Mena admixture ..

[PhenotypeMaster]

What exactly is the purpose of this thread?

[Cristiano viejo]

Most Spanish who went to Mexico were poor and peasant many probably had gypsy and Jewish ancestors which Is why almost all Mexicans seem to have Jewish or Mena admixture ..

Gypsies just had arrived to Castilla in 1490s, cool story they travelling to America xD I wish but unfortunately that did not happen
https://mondiplo.com/IMG/jpg/lmd19820.jpg

It has to suck checking all your loved Sefardis not genetically impacting in Mexicans at all, eh?

[RMuller]

I don't understand the point the thread tbh. Don't think a certain last name will indicate a certain average admixture I'm first generation Mexican American while my parents arent necessary working class or poor they are not 45% Euro as whole well maybe my father and my mother 70-75% probably and according to my new update I'm 57% European 8% middle eastern and 2/3 euro/ Mena based with the new run.. most of my middle class relatives from Guadalajara look to be 70-85% European

Most Northeast Mexicans with 4 grandparents from Nuevo Leon are more euro than the average Mexican .

[hmaohma78]

I don't understand the point the thread tbh. Don't think a certain last name will indicate a certain average admixture I'm first generation Mexican American while my parents arent necessary working class or poor they are not 45% Euro as whole well maybe my father and my mother 70-75% probably and according to my new update I'm 57% European 8% middle eastern and 2/3 euro/ Mena based with the new run.. most of my middle class relatives from Guadalajara look to be 70-85% European

Some surnames do matter because they are native to a certain state or region. With this information one can conclude what is the genetics of that area.( where the surname is found).

[Argentano]

Do the Trevino's lean closer to North Italians than to Spaniards? Is that what im reading ?:confused:

That could be a 90% Iberian 10% jewish caucasian or something like that. It doesent have to be nescesarily italian ancestry

Its pretty close to the iberian cluster

[Argentano]

Some surnames do matter because they are native to a certain state or region. With this information one can conclude what is the genetics of that area.( where the surname is found).

Exactly the surname i used has a very high frecuency in Texas and is rare elsewhere. Also i got those kits searching Hispanic Texan cousins

Texan Surname + cousins of Texan should be close to something representative

[Cristiano viejo]

The average result of this Texans with surname Trevino is

European 67.6%
South Asian 0.6%
Native American 28.5%
Northeast African 1.17%
SSA 2.13%

Where the fuck do you see Jewish ancestry here? :rolleyes:

[RMuller]

That could be a 90% Iberian 10% jewish caucasian or something like that. It doesent have to be nescesarily italian ancestry

Yeah i was thinking it's in that range %


Its pretty close to the iberian cluster

Oh but more closer to Northern Italian due to sefardic Jewish blood?

[RMuller]

Exactly the surname i used has a very high frecuency in Texas and is rare elsewhere. Also i got those kits searching Hispanic Texan cousins

Texan Surname + cousins of Texan should be close to something representative

Basically all the Trevino's in Texas and Northeast Mexico are related to the Cantu's,Longoria's,Tamez,falcon,Alanis,Garza's etc etc

[liveforthenight]

Couldn't anything below 3% just be noice and nothing else? Even if most latinos score 1% to 2% Ashkenazi is that really going to make a difference in their phenotype? Idk why people give such importance to it when the # is almost insignificant.

[Argentano]

Where the fuck do you see Jewish ancestry here? :rolleyes:

If you plot those european components it leans a little towards the Jewish. A LITTLE.



Here i made a PCA with this Mexican American Texans with Trevino surname.

IF we exclude the ones with some white american ancestry, the others are closer to Iberia but they do seem to have some jewish ancestry. They lean a little towards Sephardic jew

https://i.imgur.com/00zP7xK.png




Yeah i was thinking it's in that range %



Oh but more closer to Northern Italian due to sefardic Jewish blood?

Maybe yes. A little of sefardic Jewish

[Argentano]

From my perspective as a whole, they are both viewed the same by americans in west. The only racial differential observations made by people are why are east coast mexicans more amerindian influenced then the one's in the west. Of course some old school chicanos do themselves differentiate themselves from the more recent descendants but not because of racial reason but cultural reasons.


The earlier Mexican Americans came mostly from the middle and upper class, you can find a lot of old money in the Mexican American community at least in legacy.


I wouldnt say that it is exclusively a tejano surname. Treviño surname is also very common in Monterrey and northeastern Mexico. Even one of the most popular mexican singers (Gloria Trevi) has this surname. Tejano population is not very big. Then you can find many more Treviño in Northeastern Mexico than Treviño-Trevino in Texas.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/17/trump-latinos-south-texas-tejanos-437027

Trump Didn’t Win the Latino Vote in Texas. He Won the Tejano Vote.


"Ross Barrera, a retired U.S. Army colonel and chair of the Starr County Republican Party, put it this way: “It’s the national media that uses ‘Latino.’ It bundles us up with Florida, Doral, Miami. But those places are different than South Texas, and South Texas is different than Los Angeles. Here, people don’t say we’re Mexican American. We say we’re Tejanos.”"

"In the end, Trump’s success in peeling off Latino votes in South Texas had everything to do with not talking to them as Latinos. His campaign spoke to them as Tejanos, who may be traditionally Democratic but have a set of specific concerns—among them, the oil and gas industry, gun rights and even abortion—amenable to the Republican Party’s positions, and it resonated."

"Though not everyone in the Rio Grande Valley self-identifies as Tejano, the descriptor captures a distinct Latino community—culturally and politically—cultivated over centuries of both Mexican and Texan influences and geographic isolation. Nearly everyone speaks Spanish, but many regard themselves as red-blooded Americans above anything else. And exceedingly few identify as people of color. (Even while 94 percent of Zapata residents count their ethnicity as Hispanic/Latino on the census, 98 percent of the population marks their race as white.) Their Hispanicness is almost beside the point to their daily lives."

"Take Cynthia Villarreal, a lifelong Democrat and lifelong Zapata resident. She, like many along the Texas border, holds that her family history begins with the Spaniards’ colonial regime along the Rio Grande."

"“I’m too white to be Mexican, and I’m too Mexican to be white,” Villarreal says with a laugh. “No soy Mexicana, ni gringa. Soy Tejana.”"

"Arreola says that while the exact origin of the term Tejano dates back to before the U.S. conquered the area that was once called Tejas, the prevalence of Texan Mexican Americans using that identifier as a rejection of others being put on them—“I’m not Mexican, I’m Tejano”—began in the mid-20th century, as South Texans tried to distance themselves from more recent Mexican immigrants across the country as well as from Hispanic activists who were beginning to embrace Chicano identity. And there is certainly a coherent culture for it to describe: Tejanos have their own recognizable way of speaking Spanish and Spanglish (“me duele la head” or “pass me la escoba,” for example), their own cuisine (Tex-Mex is not simply Americanized Mexican food, as commonly misperceived) and their own regional music style (most popularized by Selena)."

"“I see myself just as an American,” says Yvonne Trappe, another lifelong resident of Zapata but an ardent Trump supporter. “Growing up, I never knew that Hispanics were another race, that we were brown. Everybody just put white—not that it matters. Our culture is one thing, but we were just Americans.”"

[Argentano]

If anyone is curious, this are the european results of the Trevinos with some white american ancestry

European

93,95
85,12
79,64
79,36
75,25

Average European 82.66

[RMuller]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/17/trump-latinos-south-texas-tejanos-437027

Trump Didn’t Win the Latino Vote in Texas. He Won the Tejano Vote.


"Ross Barrera, a retired U.S. Army colonel and chair of the Starr County Republican Party, put it this way: “It’s the national media that uses ‘Latino.’ It bundles us up with Florida, Doral, Miami. But those places are different than South Texas, and South Texas is different than Los Angeles. Here, people don’t say we’re Mexican American. We say we’re Tejanos.”"

"In the end, Trump’s success in peeling off Latino votes in South Texas had everything to do with not talking to them as Latinos. His campaign spoke to them as Tejanos, who may be traditionally Democratic but have a set of specific concerns—among them, the oil and gas industry, gun rights and even abortion—amenable to the Republican Party’s positions, and it resonated."

"Though not everyone in the Rio Grande Valley self-identifies as Tejano, the descriptor captures a distinct Latino community—culturally and politically—cultivated over centuries of both Mexican and Texan influences and geographic isolation. Nearly everyone speaks Spanish, but many regard themselves as red-blooded Americans above anything else. And exceedingly few identify as people of color. (Even while 94 percent of Zapata residents count their ethnicity as Hispanic/Latino on the census, 98 percent of the population marks their race as white.) Their Hispanicness is almost beside the point to their daily lives."

"Take Cynthia Villarreal, a lifelong Democrat and lifelong Zapata resident. She, like many along the Texas border, holds that her family history begins with the Spaniards’ colonial regime along the Rio Grande."

"“I’m too white to be Mexican, and I’m too Mexican to be white,” Villarreal says with a laugh. “No soy Mexicana, ni gringa. Soy Tejana.”"

"Arreola says that while the exact origin of the term Tejano dates back to before the U.S. conquered the area that was once called Tejas, the prevalence of Texan Mexican Americans using that identifier as a rejection of others being put on them—“I’m not Mexican, I’m Tejano”—began in the mid-20th century, as South Texans tried to distance themselves from more recent Mexican immigrants across the country as well as from Hispanic activists who were beginning to embrace Chicano identity. And there is certainly a coherent culture for it to describe: Tejanos have their own recognizable way of speaking Spanish and Spanglish (“me duele la head” or “pass me la escoba,” for example), their own cuisine (Tex-Mex is not simply Americanized Mexican food, as commonly misperceived) and their own regional music style (most popularized by Selena)."

"“I see myself just as an American,” says Yvonne Trappe, another lifelong resident of Zapata but an ardent Trump supporter. “Growing up, I never knew that Hispanics were another race, that we were brown. Everybody just put white—not that it matters. Our culture is one thing, but we were just Americans.”"

Tejanos are Mexican-Americans from South Texas along the Rio Grande that borders the Mexican border to San Antonio.


San Antonio is the capital of Tejano music and San Antonio is not along the US-Mexican border. Im a big fan of Tejano music.

The Tejano Music Awards, established in San Antonio in 1980, had an eager inaugural crowd of 1,300 and just last year saw over 90,000 fans attend the now annual event. We’re sure you’ll recognize this iconic past award winner and legendary “Queen of Tejano”, Selena Quintanilla, posing with her father and “Performer of the Year” award.
https://sanantonio.texas.thescoutguide.com/post/158453543570/the-tejano-capital-of-the-world-is-right-in-your


this is how the Queen of Tejano looks like Selena and her group
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/ff/29/a3ff29243197fe502aeaf6dd33b4c2d5.jpg
https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NDg0MDU0NzExMjA3NDM5/selena-189149-1-402.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/85733ef8d4b74a008e5396347969b3aa6bd164a5/c=20-0-564-725/local/-/media/2018/04/09/TXGroup/CorpusChristi/636588953158458979-Selena-pic-3.JPG?quality=50&width=640


Filemon Vela reprsents the heartland of what is considered Tejano country along the Mexican-US border which is Brownsville and McAllen. Filemon Vela is a hardcore Mexican-American politician .Im not surprised one of the most pro ethnocentric Mexican-American politician is a white Looking Mexican-American .

https://projects.propublica.org/congress/assets/images/social-member-V000132.png
https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/a/aa/Texas%27_34th.JPG

"Mr. Trump, you’re a racist and you can take your border wall and shove it up your ass," the Brownsville Democrat wrote in a lengthy missive to the real estate magnate.

Vela notes in the letter that he agreed with Trump on some policies, like improving veterans' care, addressing Mexican drug cartels and deporting criminal felons who are in the country illegally. But he also savages Trump for his rhetoric on those of Mexican descent and his promise to build a wall on the southern U.S. border.

"While you would build more and bigger walls on the U.S.-Mexico border, I would tear the existing wall to pieces," Vela wrote. "Why any modern-thinking person would ever believe that building a wall along the border of a neighboring country, which is both our ally and one of our largest trading partners, is frankly astounding and asinine."

Vela then defended U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel, the judge overseeing litigation related to Trump's education enterprise, Trump University. Trump has questioned Curiel's capacity for fairness based on his Mexican heritage. Curiel was born in Indiana.

Vela then pointed out that his own family lineage in the United States goes back farther than Trump's paternal grandfather.

"Before you dismiss me as just another 'Mexican,' let me point out that my great-great grandfather came to this country in 1857, well before your own grandfather," he wrote. "His grandchildren (my grandfather and his brothers) all served our country in World War I and World War II. His great-grandson, my father, served in the U.S. Army and, coincidentally, was one of the first 'Mexican' federal judges ever appointed to the federal bench."

"I will not presume to speak on behalf of every American of Mexican descent, for every undocumented worker born in Mexico who is contributing to our country every day or, for that matter, every decent citizen in Mexico," he added.

"To the extent that the Republican Party has made gains amongst Latinos in the state of Texas, that's because there have been some Republican leaders in Texas that have reached out to Hispanic voters," he said. "I think that with this kind of racist rhetoric that we're hearing from Donald Trump, that many of those Latino voters who may have previously voted Republican are going to vote for the Democratic candidate in this case."

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/06/06/texas-democratic-congressman-tells-trump-shove-it/

[RMuller]

Trevino is Tejano
Treviño is Mexican
The ñ is the difference

Only one Trevi~no in Mexico.
https://forebears.io/x/surnames/trev%C3%AD%C3%B1o


Trevino is more common in Texas but Trevino is also found in Mexico

https://forebears.io/surnames/trevino

[Argentano]

I don't understand the point the thread tbh. Don't think a certain last name will indicate a certain average admixture I'm first generation Mexican American while my parents arent necessary working class or poor they are not 45% Euro as whole well maybe my father and my mother 70-75% probably and according to my new update I'm 57% European 8% middle eastern and 2/3 euro/ Mena based with the new run.. most of my middle class relatives from Guadalajara look to be 70-85% European


Do think alot of the early immigrants from Spain to colonial Mexico were Sefardic Jews?


I wouldnt say that it is exclusively a tejano surname. Treviño surname is also very common in Monterrey and northeastern Mexico. Even one of the most popular mexican singers (Gloria Trevi) has this surname. Tejano population is not very big. Then you can find many more Treviño in Northeastern Mexico than Treviño-Trevino in Texas.


The ancestry seems accurate to me regarding Tejanos. Regarding the ssa it seems to be accurate, although on some calculators gedmatch does overestimate ssa. I am not sure if this is the case or not.


Trevino is a pretty common surname in Texas and NM. The Euro and Indian makes sense but the African is kinda weird. I haven't heard to much of border people mixing with slaves or freed african americans.


Here i compared the european ancestry in 4 group of kits

1)Mexican Americans with Texan surname Trevino
2)Mexican Americans with New Mexican typical surnames
3)Mexicans mixed with some northern euro ancestry
4)Mexicans mixed with more northern euro ancestry


Interestingly the result of the Texan and New mexican samples look IDENTICAL

https://i.imgur.com/dTLRsm1.png

[RMuller]

I wouldnt say that it is exclusively a tejano surname. Treviño surname is also very common in Monterrey and northeastern Mexico. Even one of the most popular mexican singers (Gloria Trevi) has this surname.


Alejandra Trevino from Monterrey is my favorite Trevino.;)

https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/16387891/1080full-alejandra-trevino.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStqn2SCZqICP6VWp4t2OE4qmVVWYhBy weexg&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQK58_KJqeCu24rrCYKRranOfdOHrdcA fyz3A&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvVPedaHKZsxtsx6bOfkVKPPFu6n-0tNXm6Q&usqp=CAU

https://tecache.cl/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/33027695_209488286514820_3504473604483973120_n-690x690.jpg

[RMuller]

Here i compared the european ancestry in 4 group of kits

1)Mexican Americans with Texan surname Trevino
2)Mexican Americans with New Mexican typical surnames
3)Mexicans mixed with some northern euro ancestry
4)Mexicans mixed with more northern euro ancestry


Interestingly the result of the Texan and New mexican samples look IDENTICAL

https://i.imgur.com/dTLRsm1.png

Texas Trevino's more euro than New Mexicans?

[RMuller]

The average result of this Texans with surname Trevino is

European 67.6%
South Asian 0.6%
Native American 28.5%
Northeast African 1.17%
SSA 2.13%


Bascically the same like Mexican-Americans who have 4 grandparents from Northeast Mexico. The Trevino's are originally from Monterrey -Northeast Mexico.


https://i.imgur.com/gG9RHsV.png

[RMuller]

Bascically the same like Mexican-Americans who have 4 grandparents from Northeast Mexico. The Trevino's are originally from Monterrey -Northeast Mexico.


https://i.imgur.com/gG9RHsV.png


Genetic variation by birth cohorts in Mexican Americans of Starr County, Texas



Mexican Americans residing in Starr County, Texas, were grouped by their year of birth (1896–1925, 1926–1955, and 1956–1985) to determine the extent of birth cohort‐related genetic variation within this population and the genetic differences, if any, from the Mexican population residing in the Metropolitan Monterrey Area (MMA), Nuevo León, México. Twenty‐one genetic markers were analyzed which indicate that the three birth cohort groups are genetically indistinguishable. Gene diversity analysis suggests that more than 99.8% of the total gene diversity can be attributed to variation between individuals within the birth cohort populations and that the subdivision by birth cohort has only a small contribution (0.18%) to the total gene diversity. Genetic admixture analysis indicates a predominant influence from the Spanish, and that the three birth cohort groups were similar in terms of contributions of this ancestral population. The genetic structure of the Mexican American population of Starr County was also similar to the Mexican population from the State of Nuevo León, México. These findings, together with previous results, suggest that the Mexican Americans of Starr County, Texas, classified by gender, birthplace, and age, are not genetically distinguishable and are similar to the Mexican populations of the State of Nuevo León. © 1994 Wiley‐Liss, Inc.


Starr county

https://250722-778774-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/images/handbook/entries/SS/starr-county-map.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Map_of_Texas_highlighting_Starr_County.svg/300px-Map_of_Texas_highlighting_Starr_County.svg.png
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajhb.1310060516

[Jased]

Bascically the same like Mexican-Americans who have 4 grandparents from Northeast Mexico. The Trevino's are originally from Monterrey -Northeast Mexico.


https://i.imgur.com/gG9RHsV.png


Nuevo Leon Is very European, I will say Is the most European state In Mexico I will say those who are truly native to Nuevo Leon you won't see native regios who are amerindian or Indo-mestizo.

Most mestizos there are 60-70% Euro with many whites 80%+ most of them actually migrate to Texas not many other parts of U.S

[Megamind]

Only one Trevi~no in Mexico.
https://forebears.io/x/surnames/trev%C3%AD%C3%B1o


Trevino is more common in Texas but Trevino is also found in Mexico

https://forebears.io/surnames/trevino
You got only 1 result because you spelled it with "í"

[Cristiano viejo]

If you plot those european components it leans a little towards the Jewish. A LITTLE.








Maybe yes. A little of sefardic Jewish
That does not mean they have Jewish ancestry. It could be Canarian or even Italian.
Sorry, does not reflect in the dna that yourself posted.

[Gauthier]

I wouldnt say that it is exclusively a tejano surname. Treviño surname is also very common in Monterrey and northeastern Mexico. Even one of the most popular mexican singers (Gloria Trevi) has this surname. Tejano population is not very big. Then you can find many more Treviño in Northeastern Mexico than Treviño-Trevino in Texas.

Indeed, along with Villarreal and Garza, they are quite common surnames in the northeastern region.

The former maximum leader of the Zetas cartel has the Treviño surname as well. That's just how common it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2nghy_GhKc

[RMuller]

Treviño Surname with the ~

Approximately 63,081 people bear this surname

MEXICO 60,986

NUEVO LEON 30,126
TAMAUILIPAS 11,017
COAHUILA 7,181
MEXICO 1,810
MEXICO CITY 1,685
CHIHUAHUA 1,259
DURANGO 740
VERACRUZ 699
PUEBLA 671
MICHOACAN 639
JALISCO 619
SAN LUIS POTOSI 607
BAJA CALIFORNIA 541
SONORA 524
GUANAJUATO 326
ZACATECAS 325
SINALOA 282
GUERRERO 273
AGUASCALIENTES 224
QUERETARO 220
MORELOS 202
CHIAPAS 172
QUINTANA ROO 171
OAXACA 148
NAYARIT 131
HIDALGO 125
BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR 88
TABASCO 74
CAMPECHE 69
YUCATAN 62
TLAXCALA 45
COLIMA 31


https://forebears.io/surnames/trevi%C3%B1o

[Cristiano viejo]

Treviño Surname with the ~

Nice Spanish surname from Castilla :icon_lol:

[RMuller]

Nice Spanish surname from Castilla :icon_lol:


MANY SEFARDIC JEWS HAD SPANISH SOUNDING LAST NAMES .DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ARE SURPISED
YA LLEGO EL SIESTERO KING. DUERMES TODO EL DIA EY EN LA NOCHE ESTAS EN ESTE FORO

[RMuller]

If we base it on how much Ashkenazi Jewish the Sephardi Jewish score; then yes it is Around that number. Could be the reason why we lean towards to Italy.

MAKES SENSE

[Cristiano viejo]

MANY SEFARDIC JEWS HAD SPANISH SOUNDING LAST NAMES

Yes, and many indios too :icon_lol:

[RMuller]

Where the fuck do you see Jewish ancestry here? :rolleyes:

WHY DO YOU CARE ?JEALOUS ?

[RMuller]

Yes, and many indios too :icon_lol:

NOT TREVINO . I ALREADY POSTED WERE THE TREVINOS LIVE IN MEXICO . IT'S CLEARLY A SEFARDIC JEWISH LAST NAME

TREVINO ARE HARNIZO ON AVERAGE WITH ALOT OF SEFARDIC BLOOD

[Cristiano viejo]

WHY DO YOU CARE ?JEALOUS ?

I care because it is a surname from my region.
How could I be jealous about a surname from my region?

It is you who seem to idolize Castilian surnames, without being one :icon_lol:

[misiones]

Yes, and many indios too :icon_lol:

Exacto, lo mas probable es que muchas de estas personas es que tengan apellidos españoles, pero eso no significa que tengan antepasados españoles
http://imparcialoaxaca.mx/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Los-Oaxaque%C3%B1os-que-conquistaron-con-su-talento.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Exacto, lo mas probable es que muchas de estas personas es que tengan apellidos españoles, pero eso no significa que tengan antepasados españoles

Es lo que llevo explicando a RMayan mucho tiempo. Si nos fiamos por los apellidos los mestizos o incluso amerindios puros deberían ser 100% europeos, y está claro que no lo son.

[RMuller]

I care because it is a surname from my region.
How could I be jealous about a surname from my region?

It is you who seem to idolize Castilian surnames, without being one :icon_lol:

YOU WISH YOU HAD THE SEFARDIC LAST NAME OF TREVINO . INSTEAD YOU GOT STUCK WITH THE LAST NAMES OF MARTINEZ,LOPEZ,GONZALEZ,GUERRERO APELLIDOS CORRIENTES LOLOL AHAHAHAHAH EVEN INDIGENAS AND NEGROS FROM HONDURAS HAVE YOUR LAST NAMES

[RMuller]

Es lo que llevo explicando a RMayan mucho tiempo. Si nos fiamos por los apellidos los mestizos o incluso amerindios puros deberían ser 100% europeos, y está claro que no lo son.

THE TREVINOS ARE HARNIZOS WITH LOTS OF SEFARDIC JEWISH BLOOD. THEY PLOT CLOSER TO SEFARDIC JEWS THAN SPANIARDS .PROOF THAT THE LAST NAME TREVINO IS SEFARDIC JEWISH APELLIDO,NADA QUE VER CON LOS MARTINEZ,SANCHEZ

[Cristiano viejo]

YOU WISH YOU HAD THE SEFARDIC LAST NAME OF TREVINO . INSTEAD YOU GOT STUCK WITH THE LAST NAMES OF MARTINEZ,LOPEZ,GONZALEZ,GUERRERO APELLIDOS CORRIENTES LOLOL AHAHAHAHAH EVEN INDIGENAS AND NEGROS FROM HONDURAS HAVE YOUR LAST NAMES

Treviño is Castilian, not Sephardi.
Does not matter how much you try to change the reality. You are so dumb you posted a link where everyone can check its origin :laugh:

Castilian name from mountains of Burgos.
https://forebears.io/surnames/trevi%C3%B1o

[RMuller]

Treviño is Castilian, not Sephardi.
Does not matter how much you try to change the reality. You are so dumb you posted a link where everyone can check its origin :laugh:

Castilian name from mountains of Burgos.
https://forebears.io/surnames/trevi%C3%B1o

TREVINO IS A VERY SEFARDIC LAST NAME. YOU DO KNOW 1 MLLION SEFARDI JEWS LIVED IN SPAIN IN 1475? AND SEFARDI JEWS INVENTED SPANISH SEFARDI LAST NAMES. DUH YOU DUMB

THE TREVINO'S CAUCASIAN GENES PLOT CLOSER TO SEAFRDIC JEWS THAN TO SPANIARDS
TREVINO-=> SEFARDIC LAST NAME
HERNADEZ A SPIC SPANISH LAST NAME THAT INDIOS AND NEGRITOS SHARE WITH YOU

[misiones]

El mexicano promedio es Apache y Azteca
https://i.ibb.co/1LHz6K1/mexico.jpg

[Jased]

El mexicano promedio es Apache y Azteca
https://i.ibb.co/1LHz6K1/mexico.jpg

Actually It doesn't seem that bad that combo, true American warrior:thumb001:.

But on a serious note If the average Mexican Is like that? What Is half of latin America that Is less European than Mexico such as Ecuador, Nicaragua,Peru,Bolivia , El Salvador , Panama , Guatemala , Honduras etc.

Wouldn't that make them full blown Indios? xD

[Jased]

Treviño is Castilian, not Sephardi.
Does not matter how much you try to change the reality. You are so dumb you posted a link where everyone can check its origin :laugh:

Castilian name from mountains of Burgos.
https://forebears.io/surnames/trevi%C3%B1o

Many Portuguese, Jewish, Italian names were Hispanized.

Mexico Isn't Ecuador or Peru. People In Mexico everyone at least had a 100% European ancestor.


Just saying.

[RMuller]

Many Portuguese, Jewish, Italian names were Hispanized.

Mexico Isn't Ecuador or Peru. People In Mexico everyone at least had a 100% European ancestor.


Just saying.

CV PRETENDS THAT SPANIARDS DIDN'T MIX IN MEXICO LMAOOOOOOOO
HERNANDO CORTES IS THE POSTER BOY FOR INTERACIAL MIXING LOL

[RMuller]

Many Portuguese, Jewish, Italian names were Hispanized.

Mexico Isn't Ecuador or Peru. People In Mexico everyone at least had a 100% European ancestor.


Just saying.

CHECK OUT MY NEW THREAD THIS SPANIARD IS 7% NORTH AFRICAN WITH VIDEO AND DNA RESULTS FROM YOUTUBE HE LOOKS SUPER LATINO

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?358108-CLASSIFY-SPIC-SPANIARD-WHO-IS-7-MENA-AND-LOOKS-SUPER-LATINO

[Jased]

CV PRETENDS THAT SPANIARDS DIDN'T MIX IN MEXICO LMAOOOOOOOO
HERNANDO CORTES IS THE POSTER BOY FOR INTERACIAL MIXING LOL

I don't blame him , In reality your average Spaniard doesn't know much about Mexico outside of forums they probably think Mexico Is somewhere between Ecuador and Bolivia.


Also many get disappointed for not getting their "white" privileged when visiting Mexico they all are assumed as local jajaja

[RMuller]

I don't blame him , In reality your average Spaniard doesn't know much about Mexico outside of forums they probably think Mexico Is somewhere between Ecuador and Bolivia.


Also many get disappointed for not getting their "white" privileged when visiting Mexico they all are assumed as local jajaja

SPANIARDS IN REAL LIFE LOOK EXOTIC SWARTHY COMPARED TO YOUR AVERAGE WASP GRINGO

[Cristiano viejo]

TREVINO IS A VERY SEFARDIC LAST NAME. YOU DO KNOW 1 MLLION SEFARDI JEWS LIVED IN SPAIN IN 1475? AND SEFARDI JEWS INVENTED SPANISH SEFARDI LAST NAMES. DUH YOU DUMB

THE TREVINO'S CAUCASIAN GENES PLOT CLOSER TO SEAFRDIC JEWS THAN TO SPANIARDS
TREVINO-=> SEFARDIC LAST NAME
HERNADEZ A SPIC SPANISH LAST NAME THAT INDIOS AND NEGRITOS SHARE WITH YOU
Stop inventing the history, indio. Treviño is a Castilian surname, it comes from the village with the same name https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevi%C3%B1o

You are so extremely retard you even posted the link where it appears its Castilian origin XDDDDDDD

1 million of Sephardis in 1475, hahahahaha XDDDDDDDDDD


Many Portuguese, Jewish, Italian names were Hispanized.
Dont tell me stories.


Mexico Isn't Ecuador or Peru. People In Mexico everyone at least had a 100% European ancestor.

Not many differences.


SPANIARDS IN REAL LIFE LOOK EXOTIC SWARTHY COMPARED TO YOUR AVERAGE WASP GRINGO

But ultra white and as gods compared with you Mexcrements :thumb001:

[RMuller]

Stop inventing the history, indio. Treviño is a Castilian surname,

Trevino is sefardic Jewish to the max .

There are many indicators that the name Trevino may be of Jewish origin, emanating from the Jewish communities of Spain and Portugal. When the Romans conquered ...
When the Romans conquered the Jewish nation in 70 CE, much of the Jewish population was sent into exile throughout the Roman Empire. Many were sent to the Iberian Peninsula. The approximately 750,000 Jews living in Spain in the year 1492 were banished from the country by royal decree of Ferdinand and Isabella. The Jews of Portugal, were banished several years later. Reprieve from the banishment decrees was promised to those Jews who converted to Catholicism. Though some converted by choice, most of these New-Christian converts were called CONVERSOS or MARRANOS (a derogatory term for converts meaning pigs in Spanish), ANUSIM (meaning "coerced ones" in Hebrew) and CRYPTO-JEWS, as they secretly continued to practice the tenets of the Jewish faith.

Our research has found that the family name Trevino is cited with respect to Jews & Crypto-Jews in at least 7 bibliographical, documentary, or electronic references:



https://nameyourroots.com/home/names/Trevino

Tomas Treviño de Sobremonte: A Jewish Mexican Martyr - jstor
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4467073


On April 11, 1649, Tomas Trevino de Sobremonte was burned to death at the stake in Mexico City, a victim of the Inquisition. His crime: observing the "dead law of Moses" and its rites and ceremonies. In other words, while ostensibly living as a "New Christian" convert to Catholicism, Tomas continued secretly to practice the religion and observe the rituals and customs of Judaism. The priest accompanying Trevino to his death testified that in his final hours Trevino asserted that "he was a Jew and that he was resolved to live and die in the Law of Moses." Because he would not recant, he was denied the mercy of a quick death before the fire was lit and, instead, Trevino suffered a slow, agonizing death in the flames.

Trevino was born in Spain in 1592. His Jewish mother, though technically a "New Catholic" convert, continued secretly to observe and taught her children the rituals and ceremonies of Judaism. Trevino fled to Mexico in New Spain in 1611, when the Inquisition began to ferret out secretly practicing Jews in his village. He left just in time. His family shortly thereafter came under suspicion and, in 1623, his mother and elder brother were executed after a trial by an Inquisition board.

In New Spain, Trevino lived in several communities and became a successful merchant. He first ran afoul of the Mexican Inquisition in 1624. At his trial he confessed to roguish activities, including illicit relations with a number of women, and admitted that his mother had taught him Jewish prayers and rituals as a child, but swore that all that was behind him. He managed to convince the tribunal that as an adult he had not strayed from the teachings of the Catholic Church, which he willingly embraced and wanted only to continue to live in Mexico as a loyal Spanish subject. Nonetheless, Trevino’s property was confiscated, he was fined and ordered to perform various religious penances. After a relatively brief imprisonment, the tribunal declared Trevino rehabilitated and released him.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/tomas-trevino-de-sobremonte

Shortly thereafter, in 1629, Trevino married the pious daughter of an avowedly Jewish family who had never converted and who were living in Mexico in hopes that the Inquisition would be more lax there. For the next several years, Trevino and his wife lived in Guadalajara as Jewishly observant as conditions allowed. Though he and his wife continued to attend Mass and took a number of other precautions to avoid arousing suspicious, Trevino raised his children as Jews, circumcised his son, fasted religiously, observed the dietary laws and other rituals and ceremonies. Over the next several years, Trevino emerged as the recognized leader of the more, observant "orthodox" segment of Mexico's bravely Jewish community.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/tomas-trevino-de-sobremonte

STOP CLAIMING APELLIDOS MEXICANOS-SEFARDITAS
YOU would die to have a apellido MEXICANO-SEFARDITA


You are stuck with apellidos de mierda corrientes like Sanchez,Lopez,Cortes,Pizzaro,Leon ,Martinez





1 million of Sephardis in 1475, hahahahaha XDDDDDDDDDD

750,000 Jews lived in Spain before 1493, that was 15% of the pop.





But ultra white and as gods compared with you Mexcrements :thumb001:

SPICREEMENTIARDS ARE DARK SWARTHY AND CAN BE AS DARK AS PUNJABI'S OR EGYPTIANS I HAVE SEEN TO MANY DARK SPICREEMENTIARDS ON ITALIC ROOTS PHOTO GALLERY HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Cristiano viejo]

STOP CLAIMING APELLIDOS MEXICANOS-SEFARDITAS
So Jews and Mexcrements adopt our surnames, and now you claim these surnames are Jewish and Mexcrement? juasss



YOU would die to have a apellido MEXICANO-SEFARDITA

Not only that, I would die to be a fuckin brown fat and short Mexcrement like you, from a Third World country where criminals, rapists, narcos and low IQ undeveloped being are the rule :lol:


You are stuck with apellidos de mierda corrientes like Sanchez,Lopez,Cortes,Pizzaro,Leon ,Martinez
These are the surnames of 99% of Mexcrements. I wonder you dont claim them as Jewish and Mexcrement too :laugh:

I bet your name is not Pedro, José or Juan but (JiJiJi) Gaizka, Aitor or Asier :laugh:



750,000 Jews lived in Spain before 1493, that was 15% of the pop.
You are so ignorant that teaching you history is amusing for me. When Jews were expelled in 1492 they were around 300.000.
Explain how in less than 20 years they decreased from 750.000 :icon_lol:

Stop inventing the history, brown being. You only know about cleaning bathrooms to your American bosses :thumb001:



SPICREEMENTIARDS ARE DARK SWARTHY AND CAN BE AS DARK AS PUNJABI'S OR EGYPTIANS I HAVE SEEN TO MANY DARK SPICREEMENTIARDS ON ITALIC ROOTS PHOTO GALLERY HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
But compared with Mexcrements we are gods from heaven. For something your Indian ancestors believed so when we conquered and domesticated you :thumb001:

[SilverKnight]

I image TX-R senator Ted Cruz being in the 70-85 % euro range.

[RMuller]

I image TX-R senator Ted Cruz being in the 70-85 % euro range.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO He is half white canadean and Cuban. He looks more exotic than many half WASP/Mexicans who are 75-80% Europeam.
In fact many half Mexican//WASP look way more British than the swarthy dark spaniards.lolol

[RMuller]

So Jews and Mexcrements adopt our surnames, and now you claim these surnames are Jewish and Mexcrement? juasss

Garza another sefardic last name not found in spain but only found in Mexico..

You are just super butthurt than Mexicans have Basque last NAMES and sefardic last names like Trevino and Garza and you are stuck with a spanish apellido corriente like Sanchez,Martinez,Lopez,Cortes etc.




Not only that, I would die to be a fuckin brown fat and short Mexcrement like you, from a Third World country where criminals, rapists, narcos and low IQ undeveloped being are the rule :lol:

Im none of that.



These are the surnames of 99% of Mexcrements. I wonder you dont claim them as Jewish and Mexcrement too :laugh:

SANCHEZ,LOPEZ,MARTINEZ, CORTES ETC ARE JUST APELLIDOS CORRIENTES THAT PANCHITOS,SUDAQUITAS AND SPIC SPANIARDS HAVE,. LUCKY ME I DON'T HAVE THOSE APELIIDOS CORRIENTES HEHEHEH . BUT YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR FAMILY TREE.






You are so ignorant that teaching you history is amusing for me. When Jews were expelled in 1492 they were around 300.000.
Explain how in less than 20 years they decreased from 750.000 :icon_lol:

NOBODY IS GOING TO BELIEVE AN ANTI SEMITE JEWISH LIKE YOU.
750,000 JEWS WERE IN SPAIN BEFORE THEY WERE EXPELLED AND MADE UP 25% OF SPAIN POPULATION.


Stop inventing the history, brown being. You only know about cleaning bathrooms to your American bosses :thumb001:

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CLAIMS AND LIES ABOUT

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[Paraguayo HFD]

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SANCHEZ,LOPEZ,MARTINEZ, CORTES ETC ARE JUST APELLIDOS CORRIENTES THAT PANCHITOS,SUDAQUITAS AND SPIC SPANIARDS HAVE,. LUCKY ME I DON'T HAVE THOSE APELIIDOS CORRIENTES HEHEHEH . BUT YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR FAMILY TREE.

So in México or in chicanos those apellidos are rare or a very small minority?

[SilverKnight]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO He is half white canadean and Cuban. He looks more exotic than many half WASP/Mexicans who are 75-80% Europeam.
In fact many half Mexican//WASP look way more British than the swarthy dark spaniards.lolol

Well I've seen both sides of the coin .... half cuban/ white american and half mexican and half white american... I can tell you in all honesty the cuab and half white american 95% of the times I thought that person was white as hell, or 100% white, meanwhile the half mexican/ half white individuals 80 of the times you could clearly tell they had some sort of amerind/ mexican in the.

[RMuller]

Well I've seen both sides of the coin .... half cuban/ white american and half mexican and half white american... I can tell you in all honesty the cuab and half white american 95% of the times I thought that person was white as hell, or 100% white, meanwhile the half mexican/ half white individuals 80 of the times you could clearly tell they had some sort of amerind/ mexican in the.

lol. more than half of the white/mexican mixes look european .I have seen way more half/wasp mixes than you. I have many of them in my familia.

[RMuller]

So in México or in chicanos those apellidos are rare or a very small minority?

more common in sudaquitland and of course way more common in spain than in Mexico. Alot of Basque names in Mexico.

99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% OF THE SPANIARDS do not have basque last name nor a sefardic last name like Trevino or GARZA ETC.

[SilverKnight]

lol. more than half of the white/mexican mixes look european .I have seen way more half/wasp mixes than you. I have many of them in my familia.


Nah.... sorry buddy, not reality.

[Paraguayo HFD]

more common in sudaquitland and of course way more common in spain than in Mexico. Alot of Basque names in Mexico.

99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% OF THE SPANIARDS do not have basque last name nor a sefardic last name like Trevino or GARZA ETC.

Man, Sudaquitaland is more Basque than México, stop your self hating of your spanish blood.

[RMuller]

Man, Sudaquitaland is more Basque than México, stop your self hating of your spanish blood.

Per capita Mexico is more Basque than sudaquitaland. You can tell by how many basque last anmes their is in Mexico.

[RMuller]

Nah.... sorry buddy, not reality.

How would you know? You live in Florida.I live in California .One of my primos has 5 daughters with a WASP chica his wife and all his daughters pass as european .They look more northern euro than most spaniards

[Paraguayo HFD]

Per capita Mexico is more Basque than sudaquitaland. You can tell by how many basque last anmes their is in Mexico.

South América has 10 latin countries, México is only one, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, or Venezuela are more basque, possibly Bolivia is the only country less basque than México, then all are the same as México or more...

[RMuller]

Nah.... sorry buddy, not reality.

You consider your self white and say you look white .

All half Mexican/white mixes look more euro than you.

[SilverKnight]

How would you know? You live in Florida.I live in California .One of my primos has 5 daughters with a WASP chica his wife and all his daughters pass as european .They look more northern euro than most spaniards

correction: Kansas, I recently moved here, but yeah I was raised in Florida.. But any how.. I've been all over this great country, I've seen it all, I have done A LOT, and my experience these past 10 to 12 years has been that cuban + white mixes tend to show a stronger euro component on their phenotype. Here in Kansas I've seen some half white/ half mexican mixes (I know a few myself), and you can still sense the mexican from a mile away. Well I'm done arguing about this crap. I know what I have seen. Period.

[RMuller]

South América has 10 latin countries, México is only one, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, or Venezuela are more basque, possibly Bolivia is the only country less basque than México, then all are the same as México or more...

You obviously don't know anything about Mexico. Mexico is more basque than all those country maybe except colombia. And Brazil makes up 65% of sudaquitaland and no basque arrived in Brazil.
Mexico is easily more basque than sudaquitaland.

Ibarra Surname Definition:
From the Basque "ibarra" - stream valley. One who lives in this area.

Approximately 536,513 people bear this surname

MEXICO 266,862 HALF OF THE Ibarra's are in Mexico and we don't even include the Mexican-American ibarra's. 49,000 Ibarra's are in the USA,i would estimate 85% are Mexican-Americans
https://forebears.io/surnames/ibarra

THERE IS MORE IBARRA'S IN MEXICO THAN ALL THE SUDAQUITA'S AND ALL OF LATIN AMERICA AND SPAIN COMBINED LOLOLOL

[RMuller]

You obviously don't know anything about Mexico. Mexico is more basque than all those country maybe except colombia. And Brazil makes up 65% of sudaquitaland and no basque arrived in Brazil.
Mexico is easily more basque than sudaquitaland.

Ibarra Surname Definition:
From the Basque "ibarra" - stream valley. One who lives in this area.

Approximately 536,513 people bear this surname

MEXICO 266,862 HALF OF THE Ibarra's are in Mexico and we don't even include the Mexican-American ibarra's. 49,000 Ibarra's are in the USA,i would estimate 85% are Mexican-Americans
https://forebears.io/surnames/ibarra

THERE IS MORE IBARRA'S IN MEXICO THAN ALL THE SUDAQUITA'S AND ALL OF LATIN AMERICA AND SPAIN COMBINED LOLOLOL

.

[Paraguayo HFD]

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you said per capita, and most Basque surnames appear more frequently in South America than in Mexico, I'm not denying that Mexico has a lot of Basque ancestry, but it's not profitable for you to Talk about "sudaquitaland"
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you said per capita, and most Basque surnames appear more frequently in South America than in Mexico, I'm not denying that Mexico has a lot of Basque ancestry, but it's not profitable for you to Talk about "sudaquitaland"
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Alot of the last names you posted that are found in the USA are mostly Mexican-Americans ,LIKE THE AYALA'S ,AGUIRRE'S



Ibarra is good example OF OVER HALF A MILLION and more than half are in Mexico.THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE IBARRA'S WHO ARE MEXICAN-AMERICANS IN THE USA

Jasso
Jasso Surname Definition:

A Basque surname, name of a village in Zisa, Lower Navarre, variant of Jaso, Iatsu, XV century from "ia" - rush-grass - and suffix of abundance "-tsu.

Approximately 62,506 people bear this surname

49,818 Mexico
12,212 USA AND ALL ARE MEXICAN-AMERICANS
99.9% OF THE JASSO'S ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
https://forebears.io/surnames/jasso




Gaxiola Surname

Approximately 22,109 people bear this surname

19,723 MEXICO 1ST
2,349 USA ALL ARE MEXICAN-AMERICAN
99.5% OF THE GAXIOL'S ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
https://forebears.io/surnames/gaxiola






Menchaca Surname Definition:
Basque name from Vizcaya.

Approximately 26,101 people bear this surname

12,609 MEXICO 1ST
8,637 USA AND OVER 95% ARE MEXICAN-AMERICAN
85% OF THE MENCHACA'S ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
https://forebears.io/surnames/menchaca





Ochoa Surname Definition:
Found in Vizcaya, Navarre, Castile, Andalusia, Álava, Santander, and La Rioja. Ancient in Navarre, name also found in Basque provinces. Derived from Basque "otso," the equivalent of Spanish "lobo" - wolf.


Approximately 575,761 people bear this surname

1ST 185,066 MEXICO OVER 1/3 ARE FOUND IN MEXICO
3RD 65818 USA MOST ARE MEXICAN-AMERICAN
OVER 40% ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
https://forebears.io/surnames/ochoa




Carranza Surname Definition: BASQUE "Carranza" is the ancient "carrancio" all related to "carrasca" which means an evergreen oak.

Approximately 239,438 people bear this surname
70,340 MEXICO 1ST
21,629 USA 3RD AND OVER 90% ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN ,THATS OVER 38% WITH MEXICAN ANCESTRY

https://forebears.io/surnames/carranza






Zuñiga

A habitational name from a place in Navarre province named Zuñiga. From the Basque, zuin, meaning 'cultivated field' and iga, meaning 'incline', or 'slope'.

Approximately 415,263 people bear this surname

193,524 MEXICO 1ST OVER 45% ARE IN MEXICO

https://forebears.io/surnames/zu%C3%B1iga






Chavira=BASQUE
Approximately 28,705

MEXICO 22,378
USA 6,255

99.75% Of the Chavira's are of Mexican origin.
https://forebears.io/surnames/chavira



Zamarripa =BASQUE
Approximately 26,603

Mexico 20,886
USA 5,056

97.51% Of the Zamarripa are of Mexican ancestry.
https://forebears.io/surnames/zamarripa



Arreola =BASQUE
Approximately 87,822

Mexico 68,783
USA 13,477

93.67% Of the Arreola's are of Mexican origin

https://forebears.io/surnames/arreola[/QUOTE]





Vidaurri=BASQUE
Approximately 5,140

MEXICO 3,324
USA 1,804
99.77% of the Vidaurri are of Mexican origin
https://forebears.io/surnames/Vidaurri




Lazalde=BASQUE
Approximately 3,853

MEXICO 3,062
USA 728
98.36% of the Lazalde are of Mexican origin.
https://forebears.io/surnames/lazalde





Elizondo=BASQUE
Approximately 120,803

MEXICO 79,122
USA 14,541
77.53% of the Elizondo's are of Mexican heritage,
https://forebears.io/surnames/elizondo





Araiza=BASQUE

Approximately 44,380

Mexico 38,998
USA 5,103

99.38% Of the Araiza's are of Mexican heritage.
https://forebears.io/surnames/araiza[/QUOTE]




ARIZPE=BASQUE
Approximately 15,304

MEXICO 13,715
USA 1,138
97.05% of the Arizpe are of Mexican origin
https://forebears.io/surnames/arizpe




Arizmendi=BASQUE
Approximately 25,856
MEXICO 20,546
USA 1,959
87.96% Of the Arizmendi are of Mexican origin
https://forebears.io/surnames/arizmendi



Arzamendi=BASQUE
Approximately 2,204

MEXICO 1,806
USA 180
90.11% if the Arzamendi are of Mexican origin.



Lizalde=BASQUE
Approximately 2,472
MEXICO 1,884
USA 378
91.50% of the Lizalde are of Mexican origin
https://forebears.io/surnames/lizalde





Lizaldi=BASQUE
Approximately 271
Mexico 262
USA 8
99.64% Of the Lizaldi are of MEXICAN ORIGIN
https://forebears.io/surnames/lizaldi




Arambula=BASQUE
Approximately 19,322
Mexico 14,474
USA 3,932
95.26% Of the Arambula are of Mexican origin



Murrieta=BASQUE
Approximately 25,180
Mexico 18,295
USA 2,042
80.77% Of the Murrieta's are of Mexican origin
https://forebears.io/surnames/murrieta




Gurrola=BASQUE
Approximately 21,376
MEXICO 16,777
USA 4,546
99.75% Of the Gurrola's are of Mexican origin.
https://forebears.io/surnames/gurrola




Lascurain =BASQUE
Approximately 4,243
MEXICO 3,376
USA 161
83.36% of the Lascrain are of Mexican origin.
https://forebears.io/surnames/Lascur%C3%A1in




Celaya=BASQUE
Approximately 25,508
Mexico 17,641
USA 4,070
81.19% Of the Celaya's are of Mexican origin
https://forebears.io/surnames/celaya



Cadereyta =BASQUE
Approximately 445
Mexico 445
100% are of Mexican origin.
https://forebears.io/surnames/cadereyta



Echeagaray =BASQUE
Approximately 2,918
MEXICO 2,827
USA 89
99.93% Of the Echeagaray are of Mexican origin.
https://forebears.io/surnames/echeagaray




Burciaga =BASQUE
Approximately 13,781
MEXICO 10,417
USA 3,311
99.62% Of the Burciaga are of Mexican origin.
https://forebears.io/surnames/Burciaga






Escarrega=BASQUE
Approximately 1,546
Mexico 1,440
USA 106
100% Mexican origin
https://forebears.io/surnames/escarrega


Loera=BASQUE
Approximately 45,628
MEXICO 36,407
USA 9,146
99.84% of the Loera's are of Mexican origin.
https://forebears.io/surnames/Loera




Palafox=BASQUE
Approximately 42,062
Mexico 33,292
USA 3,509
87.49% of the Palafox's are of Mexican origin

https://forebears.io/surnames/palafox

[Paraguayo HFD]

Alot of the last names you posted that are found in the USA are mostly Mexican-Americans ,LIKE THE AYALA'S ,AGUIRRE'S]

Among the surnames you quoted, I divide them into 5 parts =

Common surnames
Ochoa = 575,761 (México is 5th, behind4 latins and 2 sudaquitas countries)
Zúñiga = 451,263 (3rd)
Carranza = 239,438 (6th)
Elizondo = 120,803

Decent amount (40k-99k)
Arreola = 87,822
Jasso = 62,506
Loera = 45,628 (not basque)
Araiza = 44,380
Palafox = 42,062 (It's not Basque, it's from Aragon)

Low amount (20k-39k)
Chavira = 28,705
Zamarripa = 26,603
Menchaca = 26, 101
Arizmendi = 25,856
Celaya = 25,508 (There is the same surname but with Z "Zelaya", it's more common in the world and it's too in Central and South America than in Mexico)
Murrieta = 25,180
Gaxiola = 22,109
Gurrola = 21,376

LOL (- 20k)
Arambula = 19,322
Arizpe = 15,304
Burciaga = 13,781

:rofl_002: :rotfl: :bowlol: ( - 6k The Real cherry pick)
Vidaurri = 5,140
Lascurain = 4,243
Lazalde = 3,853
Echeagaray = 2,918 (There are more people Who is Echegaray, most in South America, and why not just Garay? Another Basque surname, way more frequent in South America)
Lizalde = 2,472
Arzamendi = 2,204 (Arzamendia is way more common, and a lot more frequent in south América)
Escarrega = 1,546
Cadereyta = 445
Lizaldi = 271 (you named this surname 3 times but with different writing xd)

In Paraguay there are also surnames that were mostly kept here, and are rare in others countries, among those many are Basque, I could quote them and say that my country is Basque but I'm not you. México is equal or less basque than south América.

I quote another Mexican who knows that Mexico is not as Basque as you say

no, Colombia, Chile and Argentina have more basque than Mexico, the only place that has a lot of basque influence is Sinaloa, Sonora, Durango, but even on AncestryDNA the mexicans who come from those areas score less than 5% Basque on average, I have never seen one score over 10% Basque, which ive seen Argentines, Colombians and Chileans score it

plus most of the so called "Basque" last names came from Southern Spaniards who were most likely partially Basque or had a distant Basque male ancestor

yeah Mexico hardly has Basque roots, most of the Spaniards in Mexico came from Southern and Central Spain

[RMuller]

Among the surnames you quoted, I divide them into 5 parts =

Common surnames
Ochoa = 575,761 (México is 5th, behind4 latins and 2 sudaquitas countries)


NOPE,MEXICO HAS OVER 40% OF THE OCHOA'S ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN


Zúñiga = 451,263 (3rd)

193,524 MEXICO 1ST OVER 45% ARE IN MEXICO



Carranza = 239,438 (6th)

70,340 MEXICO 1ST
,USA 3RD 22,000 AND OVER 95% ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN.
0VER38% OF THE CARRANZA'S ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN


Elizondo = 120,803


77.53% ARE OF MEXICAN ANCESTRY

Decent amount (40k-99k)
Arreola = 87,822 93.7% OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
Jasso = 62,506 99.999% OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
Loera = 45,628 (not basque) IT IS BASQUE
Araiza = 44,380 99% OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
Palafox = 42,062 (It's not Basque, it's from Aragon) ITS BASQUE
[/QUOTE]



Low amount (20k-39k)
Chavira = 28,705
Zamarripa = 26,603
Menchaca = 26, 101
Arizmendi = 25,856
Celaya = 25,508 (There is the same surname but with Z "Zelaya", it's more common in the world and it's too in Central and South America than in Mexico)
Murrieta = 25,180
Gaxiola = 22,109
Gurrola = 21,376

LOL (- 20k)
Arambula = 19,322
Arizpe = 15,304
Burciaga = 13,781

OVER 95% OF THOSE ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN.

:
rofl_002: :rotfl: :bowlol: ( - 6k The Real cherry pick)
Vidaurri = 5,140
Lascurain = 4,243
Lazalde = 3,853
Echeagaray = 2,918 (There are more people Who is Echegaray, most in South America, and why not just Garay? Another Basque surname, way more frequent in South America)
Lizalde = 2,472
Arzamendi = 2,204 (Arzamendia is way more common, and a lot more frequent in south América)
Escarrega = 1,546
Cadereyta = 445
Lizaldi = 271 (you named this surname 3 times but with different writing xd)

OVER 95% OF MEXICAN ORIGIN


In Paraguay there are also surnames that were mostly kept here, and are rare in others countries, among those many are Basque, I could quote them and say that my country is Basque but I'm not you. México is equal or less basque than south América.

I quote another Mexican who knows that Mexico is not as Basque as you say

50% OF ALL THE BASQUE LAST NAMES IN THE AMERICAS ARE IN MEXICO AND AMONG MEXICAN-AMERICANS
YOU CLAIMED MEXICO HAD LESS BASQUE LAST NAMES THAN BOLIVIA.
MEXICO HAS MORE BASQUE LAST NAMES THAN ALL SUDAQUITA COUNTRIES. STAY BUTTHURT WITH REALITY.
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MEXICO

[Paraguayo HFD]

50% OF ALL THE BASQUE LAST NAMES IN THE AMERICAS ARE IN MEXICO AND AMONG MEXICAN-AMERICANS
YOU CLAIMED MEXICO HAD LESS BASQUE LAST NAMES THAN BOLIVIA.
MEXICO HAS MORE BASQUE LAST NAMES THAN ALL SUDAQUITA COUNTRIES. STAY BUTTHURT WITH REALITY.
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MEXICO

I never said that Mexico has less Basque ancestry than Bolivia, I said that it is possibly the only country that surpasses, then it is equal to or less than the other South American countries.
There are hardly some mexican in ancestryDNA who have atleast 5% basque ancestry, Colombians, chileans are a lot more and there are an argentinian who is Almost 100% basque.

[Italicus]

I image TX-R senator Ted Cruz being in the 70-85 % euro range.

He's at least 90 percent European, and most likely close to 100 percent.

[Lambda]

Jasso
Jasso sounds like an Italian surname, are you sure it's a Basque surname?

[Chile Raptor 2.0]

Jasso sounds like an Italian surname, are you sure it's a Basque surname?

Hola Missiones

[RMuller]

Jasso sounds like an Italian surname, are you sure it's a Basque surname?

Hola Missiones lol. Jasso is very Basque.
Jasso Surname Definition:
A Basque surname, name of a village in Zisa, Lower Navarre, variant of Jaso, Iatsu, XV century from "ia" - rush-grass - and suffix of abundance "-tsu.
https://forebears.io/surnames/jasso

The Basque last name that i have ,does sound Italian .In fact if you add another letter ,it's identical to an Italian last name. I Won't say the last names. People have asked me if my last name was Italian ,sounds like it and the spelling would confuse you and think it might be. But as i said you add another letter and it's ITalian last name.

[RMuller]

I never said that Mexico has less Basque ancestry than Bolivia, I said that it is possibly the only country that surpasses, then it is equal to or less than the other South American countries.
There are hardly some mexican in ancestryDNA who have atleast 5% basque ancestry, Colombians, chileans are a lot more and there are an argentinian who is Almost 100% basque.

Dude, they barely started adding Basque in dna results. Argentina has more recent Basque immigration. Mexico's basque is very colonial. Basque explored and settled founded much of northern Mexico and the southwest ,California.
As i said atleast half of all Basque last names in the Americas belong to people of Mexicans ancestry in Mexico and the USA.

[Erronkari]

I never said that Mexico has less Basque ancestry than Bolivia, I said that it is possibly the only country that surpasses, then it is equal to or less than the other South American countries.
There are hardly some mexican in ancestryDNA who have atleast 5% basque ancestry, Colombians, chileans are a lot more and there are an argentinian who is Almost 100% basque.

That Argentinian is me. ;)
Indeed, Colombia followed by Chile and Argentina have very big basque diasporas outside Spain.
According RMuller Argentina only recived Italian immigrants as massive ones but no… it received also a lot of Galicians and Basques….



https://i.ibb.co/YfWSMFq/546-C7934-9-F88-4-A1-C-BEA9-FB34-BFA0-A278.jpg (https://ibb.co/1RnN5tw)

[Tannhauser]

I never said that Mexico has less Basque ancestry than Bolivia, I said that it is possibly the only country that surpasses, then it is equal to or less than the other South American countries.
There are hardly some mexican in ancestryDNA who have atleast 5% basque ancestry, Colombians, chileans are a lot more and there are an argentinian who is Almost 100% basque.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwheUAhKjBs

Espero os guste.

[Paraguayo HFD]

Dude, they barely started adding Basque in dna results. Argentina has more recent Basque immigration. Mexico's basque is very colonial. Basque explored and settled founded much of northern Mexico and the southwest ,California.
As i said atleast half of all Basque last names in the Americas belong to people of Mexicans ancestry in Mexico and the USA.

Ok Rmuller

[RMuller]

Armendariz Surname

Spanish (Armendáriz; of Basque origin): patronymic from the Basque personal name Armendari or Armentari, from Latin armentarius 'herdsman'. The place name is commonly said to be composed of the elements ar(ri) 'rock' + mend(i) 'mountain' + aritz 'oak'. ...

Approximately 48,057 people bear this surname

MEXICO 30,487
USA 11,504 OVER 98% are of Mexican ancestry IN THE USA
OVER 87% ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN

https://forebears.io/surnames/armendariz




Esquivel Surname Definition:

From the Basque "Aizkibel" which means behind the boulder.
A Basque toponymic from Mendoza, a political division of Vitoria (Álava).

Approximately 304,602 people bear this surname

1ST MEXICO 150,912
2ND USA 31,627 ABOUT 70% ARE OF MEXICAN ANCESTRY
SO AROUND 57% OF THE ESQUIVEL'S ARE OF MEXICAN ANCESTRY
https://forebears.io/surnames/esquivel






ELIZALDE
Descendant of Elizalde, a Basque form of Elizabeth (oath of God).
From the Basque "elissa-alde" - home by the church.
Found in Navarre. Name of village near Pamplona. Of Basque origin equivalent to Spanish "eleizalde" or "iglesia lado," Elizalde refers to regional church.

Approximately 56,698 people bear this surname

1ST MEXICO 32,797 ==57.5% LIVE IN mEXICO
3RD USA 4,614 AROUND 90% ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN BASED ON IMMIGRATION PATTERNS
AROUND 65% OF THE ELIZALDE'S ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
https://forebears.io/surnames/elizalde



Zavala Surname Definition:
Basque name from Vizcaya.

Approximately 301,330 people bear this surname

1ST MEXICO 164,445== ABOUT 55% OF THE ZAVALA'S LIVE IN MEXICO
2ND USA 39,984 =BASED ON IMMIGRATION PATTERNS AROUND 80% ARE OF MEXICAN ORIGIN
SO AROUND 68% OF THE ZAVALA'S ARE OF MEXICAN ANCESTRY

https://forebears.io/surnames/zavala

[Cristiano viejo]

Garza another sefardic last name not found in spain but only found in Mexico..
:lol: not found in Spain, the indio says :lol:

Garza is an Aragonese surname, to start, not Basque, INDIO :thumb001:

El apellido Garza en España

En España 972 personas tienen el apellido Garza como primer apellido, 844 personas lo tienen como segundo apellido, y 8 personas lo llevan como primer y segundo apellido.

El apellido Garza por provincias (España)

Zaragoza (616)
Madrid (377)
Barcelona (168)
Ourense (127)
Pontevedra (74)
etc

https://origenapellido.com/apellido-garza/


You are just super butthurt than Mexicans have Basque last NAMES and sefardic last names like Trevino and Garza and you are stuck with a spanish apellido corriente like Sanchez,Martinez,Lopez,Cortes etc.

Yes I am super butthurt because Spain has Spanish surnames :pound: how can you be so retard? being Mexcrement is not enough :lol:

Treviño is Castilian and Garza is Aragonese. Sephardic surnames are Cohen, Baruch and shits so :thumb001:

It is you who is super butthurt because your country is FILLED with Spanish surnames :mocking:


Im none of that.
Then you are not Mexican :thumb001:


SANCHEZ,LOPEZ,MARTINEZ, CORTES ETC ARE JUST APELLIDOS CORRIENTES THAT PANCHITOS,SUDAQUITAS AND SPIC SPANIARDS HAVE,. LUCKY ME I DON'T HAVE THOSE APELIIDOS CORRIENTES HEHEHEH . BUT YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR FAMILY TREE.
99% of Mexcrements have these surnames :laugh:


NOBODY IS GOING TO BELIEVE AN ANTI SEMITE JEWISH LIKE YOU.
750,000 JEWS WERE IN SPAIN BEFORE THEY WERE EXPELLED AND MADE UP 25% OF SPAIN POPULATION.
You can invent all what you want, that will not change the reality, mestizo :)

En tiempos de los Reyes Católicos, siempre según datos aproximados, los judíos representaban el 5% de la población de sus reinos con cerca de 200.000 personas.

https://www.abc.es/historia/abci-verdades-y-mentiras-sobre-expulsion-judios-1492-parte-reyes-catolicos-201812060205_noticia.html





https://img.ifunny.co/images/ddefb497b5d13540511d5824275537923d4df418b55b927abf 315600edb4b64f_1.jpg
That is just a picture. The guy looks typical Mexcrement of real life, brown and ugly :laugh:

https://cdni.rt.com/actualidad/public_images/1ef/1ef081ced429d38c4e1423e1a42a019b_verybig.jpg

https://www.periodicocentral.mx/2018/media/k2/items/cache/6512b1e0122ae810df4f23951bf2a6ab_XL.jpg?t=15307378 82

[Rafael Passoni]

Trevino sounds Italian, interesting. Good work.

[Cristiano viejo]

Trevino sounds Italian, interesting. Good work.

Trevino is a deformation of the original surname, Treviño.
Italian? that would be Treviso or something so.