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Peterski
01-09-2021, 09:45 PM
Link:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10814-020-09153-x

While almost all male individuals from Yamnaya burials share the haplogroups R1b-Z2103 and Q1a2 (Wang et al. 2019), the great majority of all Corded Ware males share a different haplogroup, R1a (Mathieson et al. 2018). R1b, but of a different variant (P312), is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup among male burials from Bell Beaker contexts (Olalde et al. 2018). Thus the core of the Kristiansen et al. narrative—Yamnaya males migrating into central Europe and constituting the new Corded Ware complex—is contradicted by the data. The majority of males buried in Corded Ware graves are not descendants of the Yamnaya males of which we know. The question then is from where did the R1a lineages that are the majority in Corded Ware burials come. We find R1a in Majkop graves, as well as in individuals connected to the so-called eastern European Forest Neolithic and the “Ukrainian Eneolithic” populations (Haak, personal communication 2019). This indicates that Yamnaya is not the only source of “steppe ancestry” in individuals associated with central European Corded Ware.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j9jzT34AhI

Rethel
01-10-2021, 09:49 AM
This indicates that Yamnaya is not the only source of “steppe ancestry” in individuals associated with central European Corded Ware.

Wasn't I this saying on and on and on since years?

The Sun King
01-11-2021, 01:44 PM
Interesting read. Thank you.

vbnetkhio
01-11-2021, 03:09 PM
Link:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10814-020-09153-x

While almost all male individuals from Yamnaya burials share the haplogroups R1b-Z2103 and Q1a2 (Wang et al. 2019), the great majority of all Corded Ware males share a different haplogroup, R1a (Mathieson et al. 2018). R1b, but of a different variant (P312), is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup among male burials from Bell Beaker contexts (Olalde et al. 2018). Thus the core of the Kristiansen et al. narrative—Yamnaya males migrating into central Europe and constituting the new Corded Ware complex—is contradicted by the data. The majority of males buried in Corded Ware graves are not descendants of the Yamnaya males of which we know. The question then is from where did the R1a lineages that are the majority in Corded Ware burials come. We find R1a in Majkop graves, as well as in individuals connected to the so-called eastern European Forest Neolithic and the “Ukrainian Eneolithic” populations (Haak, personal communication 2019). This indicates that Yamnaya is not the only source of “steppe ancestry” in individuals associated with central European Corded Ware.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j9jzT34AhI

but the earliest Corded Ware samples we have are autosomally something like 90% Yamnaya and 10% Narva, while Maykop was completely different from that, it was similar to modern Caucasians.
so Corded Ware is from Yamnaya males, they just had a different distant paternal origin. i can't believe they didn't check autosomal data at all.

Illyrius
01-12-2021, 11:45 AM
Interesting.
I assume the Q haplogroup in them comes from assimilated Turkic peoples?