Am I Jewish?

[pourple2q]

105239

Am I Jewish?
JTest tells me I'm 5.51% Ashkenazi. But what exactly does this mean, it refers to the pure Jew, eliminating the other errors (Israel's neighbors)? Or can small traces of Arabs, Egyptians, Syrians, etc. enter? Could this gedmatch be calculated only by a special and unique Jewish gene?

[Universe]

You're a Romanian, but you may have a small ashkenazi admixture. As far as I know only 23andme is reliable at picking up ashkenazi jewish admixture, I also heard it's not good at identifying other jews like Sephardic.

[Chris596]

It's easy to tell if you check your DNA matches on GEDmatch. Which DNA company did you test yourself at? Check your matches there as well.

Personally I score here 6.77 Ashkenazi. I'm around 1/32 Jewish and I have lots of Jewish DNA matches everywhere.

Copy the values you've got here on GEDmatch like this: yourname,17.94,12.97,14.57, ..... (where you scored 0 like at EAST_ASIAN, write 0.00 there and continue the numbers). When you're done copy the coordinates and paste it there at TARGET: http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/jTest-vahaduo.htm

This is what I get here:

Target: Chris
Distance: 2.2489% / 2.24888981 | ADC: 0.25x
51.8 Hungarian
37.8 Romanian
4.6 North_Italian
4.2 Ashkenazi
1.6 Sardinian

[Dušan]

105239

Am I Jewish?
JTest tells me I'm 5.51% Ashkenazi. But what exactly does this mean, it refers to the pure Jew, eliminating the other errors (Israel's neighbors)? Or can small traces of Arabs, Egyptians, Syrians, etc. enter? Could this gedmatch be calculated only by a special and unique Jewish gene?

No, thats some paleo-Balkan admixture, similar to Ashkenazi.

I got as same as you in this calculator, but I dont get it in any other.

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 21.36 Pct
EAST_EURO 14.58 Pct
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 15.21 Pct
ATLANTIC 12.11 Pct
WEST_MED 13.54 Pct
ASHKENAZI 5.48 Pct
EAST_MED 11.22 Pct
WEST_ASIAN 6.13 Pct
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.2 Pct
WEST_AFRICAN 0.16 Pct

[Nurzat]

It's easy to tell if you check your DNA matches on GEDmatch. Which DNA company did you test yourself at? Check your matches there as well.

Personally I score here 6.77 Ashkenazi. I'm around 1/32 Jewish and I have lots of Jewish DNA matches everywhere.

Copy the values you've got here on GEDmatch like this: yourname,17.94,12.97,14.57, ..... (where you scored 0 like at EAST_ASIAN, write 0.00 there and continue the numbers). When you're done copy the coordinates and paste it there at TARGET: http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/jTest-vahaduo.htm

This is what I get here:

Target: Chris
Distance: 2.2489% / 2.24888981 | ADC: 0.25x
51.8 Hungarian
37.8 Romanian
4.6 North_Italian
4.2 Ashkenazi
1.6 Sardinian


mine:

Jtest on GedMATCH:

SOUTH_BALTIC 20.72
EAST_EURO 16.92
ATLANTIC 15.72
EAST_MED 12.61
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 11.67
WEST_MED 10.71
ASHKENAZI 5.37
WEST_ASIAN 5.16


Jtest on vahaduo:

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 2.3115% / 2.31152821
63.1 Romanian
19.4 Northwest_Russian
9.8 North_Russian
5.1 French_Basque
2.1 Druze
0.5 Ashkenazi


when I remove Romanian from source:

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 3.5417% / 3.54168688
44.6 Northwest_Russian
26.3 Greek
13.1 French_Basque
10.0 Erzya
3.4 Druze
2.1 Ashkenazi
0.3 Sardinian
0.2 Brahui

[Ion Basescul]

People have no idea how to use JTest. Better post Eurogenes K13 results, it's clearer there.

[pourple2q]

It's easy to tell if you check your DNA matches on GEDmatch. Which DNA company did you test yourself at? Check your matches there as well.

Personally I score here 6.77 Ashkenazi. I'm around 1/32 Jewish and I have lots of Jewish DNA matches everywhere.

Copy the values you've got here on GEDmatch like this: yourname,17.94,12.97,14.57, ..... (where you scored 0 like at EAST_ASIAN, write 0.00 there and continue the numbers). When you're done copy the coordinates and paste it there at TARGET: http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/jTest-vahaduo.htm

This is what I get here:

Target: Chris
Distance: 2.2489% / 2.24888981 | ADC: 0.25x
51.8 Hungarian
37.8 Romanian
4.6 North_Italian
4.2 Ashkenazi
1.6 Sardinian

What (CYCLES) and what (ADD DIST COL) should I use?

[pourple2q]

You're a Romanian, but you may have a small ashkenazi admixture. As far as I know only 23andme is reliable at picking up ashkenazi jewish admixture, I also heard it's not good at identifying other jews like Sephardic.

All I used was MyHeritage. I didn't get Ahkenazi.

[Chris596]

What (CYCLES) and what (ADD DIST COL) should I use?

The Cycle rate doesn't really matter, maybe 0.5X or 1X should do fine. At first try with ADC - NO, then 0.25X and maybe 0.5X, in my opinion.

[pourple2q]

mine:

Jtest on GedMATCH:

SOUTH_BALTIC 20.72
EAST_EURO 16.92
ATLANTIC 15.72
EAST_MED 12.61
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 11.67
WEST_MED 10.71
ASHKENAZI 5.37
WEST_ASIAN 5.16


Jtest on vahaduo:

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 2.3115% / 2.31152821
63.1 Romanian
19.4 Northwest_Russian
9.8 North_Russian
5.1 French_Basque
2.1 Druze
0.5 Ashkenazi


when I remove Romanian from source:

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 3.5417% / 3.54168688
44.6 Northwest_Russian
26.3 Greek
13.1 French_Basque
10.0 Erzya
3.4 Druze
2.1 Ashkenazi
0.3 Sardinian
0.2 Brahui

It looks like Rome has arrived in Israel :) Can you try to eliminate Romania + Italian?

[pourple2q]

People have no idea how to use JTest. Better post Eurogenes K13 results, it's clearer there.

105246

[Dušan]

105246

20,55? That distance is too far.

[pourple2q]

The Cycle rate doesn't really matter, maybe 0.5X or 1X should do fine. At first try with ADC - NO, then 0.25X and maybe 0.5X, in my opinion.

Target: Eu
Distance: 4.1708% / 4.17076604 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.1 Serbian
22.9 Ukrainian-Russian
9.7 Iraqi
9.0 Romanian
5.6 Ashkneazi
4.7 Mozabite_Berber

Target: Eu
Distance: 7.1404% / 7.14038394 | ADC: 1x RC
69.9 Serbian
30.1 Romanian

[pourple2q]

20,55? That distance is too far.

Can this distance mean more that other populations (Romance, Greek, etc.) have entered Israel, and otherwise they have something similar to us, but not us with them? Or can this distance mean even that 5.51%?

[Chris596]

Target: Eu
Distance: 4.1708% / 4.17076604 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.1 Serbian
22.9 Ukrainian-Russian
9.7 Iraqi
9.0 Romanian
5.6 Ashkneazi
4.7 Mozabite_Berber

Target: Eu
Distance: 7.1404% / 7.14038394 | ADC: 1x RC
69.9 Serbian
30.1 Romanian

Try without RC. That usually exaggerates smaller admixtures. But from here it looks like you might have some Jewish ancestry but unfortunately I'm not an expert. Did you check your DNA matches? Look for German-like names, typical Jewish names, do you have many or do you have Jewish matches at all?

[pourple2q]

The Cycle rate doesn't really matter, maybe 0.5X or 1X should do fine. At first try with ADC - NO, then 0.25X and maybe 0.5X, in my opinion.

Target: Eu
Distance: 2.1757% / 2.17570749
51.1 Ukrainian
14.0 Samaritan
8.2 South_and_Central_Swedish
8.1 Ashkneazi
7.3 Sardinian
6.2 Georgian
3.7 Druze
1.4 East_Finnish

Target: Eu
Distance: 3.0179% / 3.01794074 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.4 Ukrainian
35.8 Serbian
8.6 Armenian
6.7 Samaritan
6.3 Ashkneazi
5.2 Mozabite_Berber

These are the results of Jtest Vahaduo.

[Dušan]

Can this distance mean more that other populations (Romance, Greek, etc.) have entered Israel, and otherwise they have something similar to us, but not us with them? Or can this distance mean even that 5.51%?

It doesnt mean that you have Ashkenazi origin.

Mine cca 20 distance in K13:
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.71
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.05
20 Tatar 20.7

[Ion Basescul]

105246

It doesn't look like you have some Ashkenazi in you. If there is any, it's distant.

[LittleDarkAge]

Most likely not. Fuck DNA tests.

[Nurzat]

your Samaritan plus Ashkenazi plus Druze is 26% above, you may have recent Levantine or Jewish admixture by that



It doesn't look like you have some Ashkenazi in you. If there is any, it's distant.

but see his result above, it's 26% Samaritan plus Ashkenazi plus Druze

[Chris596]

your Samaritan plus Ashkenazi plus Druze is 26% above, you may have recent Levantine or Jewish admixture by that




but see his result above, it's 26% Samaritan plus Ashkenazi plus Druze

But he can't be 50% Ukrainian either. Those results (to me) look like a middle-point result, when the calculator tries to put together Northern and Southern ethnicities to find a ,,fit'' for his actual Romanian ancestry, but this is just my opinion. It rarely happens to me but I've seen it happen to other people many times.

Edit: he also scores more than 8% Swedish too which is another unreal thing

[Sacrificed Ram]

Most likely not. Fuck DNA tests.

Right, autosomal result is unrelevant, what determine if you are jew or not is your maternal line.

[pourple2q]

Try without RC. That usually exaggerates smaller admixtures. But from here it looks like you might have some Jewish ancestry but unfortunately I'm not an expert. Did you check your DNA matches? Look for German-like names, typical Jewish names, do you have many or do you have Jewish matches at all?

My mother's father has the family name of the prophet Abraham in the Romanian version. But I did not hear anything about the Jews, I also found on the internet that this name was used given even to the soldiers who participated in the crusades. It is also normal among Christians and Muslims. But a Jew is probably more likely to have it. My grandfather doesn't know any Jewish roots either, in fact he might think that these DNA sites are child's play and it's a pure Romanian. Which makes me think that's what his ancestors thought. However?

[Ion Basescul]

your Samaritan plus Ashkenazi plus Druze is 26% above, you may have recent Levantine or Jewish admixture by that




but see his result above, it's 26% Samaritan plus Ashkenazi plus Druze

That's because he's modelling himself with Ukrainians instead of Romanians.


<tbody>
Distance to:
pourple2q_Tulcea


1.78002809
Bulgaria_Northwestern


2.32004310
Moldova_South


2.65629441
Pomak_Bulgaria


2.72277432
Romania_Muntenia


2.74679814
Romania_Dobruja


2.90446208
Romania_Wallachia


2.94202311
Bulgaria_Northcentral


3.06370691
Romania_Banat


3.21665976
Bulgaria_average


3.29431328
Serb_south


3.46329323
Romania_average


3.63659181
Bulgaria_Southcentral


3.79619546
Bulgaria_Southwestern


3.87560318
Romania_Oltenia


4.24487927
Pomak_Greece


4.41358131
Romania_Moldavia_South


4.49597598
Romania_Transylvania


4.71010616
Bosniak_Sandzak


4.78623025
Montenegrin


5.54826099
Bulgaria_Northeastern


5.60628219
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


5.76619459
Romania_Maramures


5.90387398
Macednia_north


6.01430794
Romania_Crisana


6.15364120
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE


</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
pourple2q_Tulcea


2.72277432
Romania_Muntenia


2.74679814
Romania_Dobrogea


3.06370691
Romania_Banat


3.19200564
Romania_average


3.53877097
Bulgarian


3.87560318
Romania_Oltenia


4.41358131
Romania_Moldova_Sud


4.49597598
Romania_Transilvania


5.76619459
Romania_Maramures


6.01430794
Romania_Crisana


6.99964999
Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander


7.42536868
Romania_Moldova_Nord


8.29470916
Aromanian_North-Macedonia


10.55969223
Romania_Moldova_Csango


10.84442036
Romania_Transilvania_Szekely


11.47940329
Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian


12.58097770
Aromanian_Central-Macedonia


16.41907732
Romania_Ukrainian


16.51018171
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk


18.69920052
Romania_Transilvania_Saxon


22.58755188
Ukrainian_Lviv


26.14242911
Crimean_Tatar


26.26873427
Romania_Jewish


28.82519037
Romania_Dobruja_Tatar


31.52429856
Romania_Roma


</tbody>

Target: pourple2q_Tulcea
Distance: 2.0980% / 2.09804414 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.2 Bulgarian
16.1 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
15.3 Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
13.4 Romania_Muntenia

-Bulgarian, Ivano-Frankivsk, Aromanian
Target: pourple2q_Tulcea
Distance: 2.3568% / 2.35678252 | ADC: 0.25x RC
92.3 Romania_Muntenia
7.7 Romania_Ukrainian

-Romania_Ukrainian
Target: pourple2q_Tulcea
Distance: 2.4770% / 2.47696783 | ADC: 0.25x RC
86.1 Romania_Muntenia
13.9 Romania_Moldova_Nord




Pretty tight fit if you ask me.

[Nurzat]

My mother's father has the family name of the prophet Abraham in the Romanian version. But I did not hear anything about the Jews, I also found on the internet that this name was used given even to the soldiers who participated in the crusades. It is also normal among Christians and Muslims. But a Jew is probably more likely to have it. My grandfather doesn't know any Jewish roots either, in fact he might think that these DNA sites are child's play and it's a pure Romanian. Which makes me think that's what his ancestors thought. However?

Romanians get a wide range of results, we're mixed as fuck, both recently and in old times, these lands have been crossed by everybody, so anything is possible

[pourple2q]

Most likely not. Fuck DNA tests.

Hahahha.
I wouldn't want to live with the thought that I am what I am not. It would have been better if I hadn't done these DNA tests to find out that they are made up of a million populations, at least until I did it, I considered myself a pure Romanian. But now I need to find out the truth.

[Nurzat]

Romanians get a wide range of results, we're mixed as fuck, both recently and in old times, these lands have been crossed by everybody, so anything is possible


That's because he's modelling himself with Ukrainians instead of Romanians.

[...]

Pretty tight fit if you ask me.

oh ok, I thought he got those populations on unsupervised mode. anyway I wouldn't have been surprised either way. I know many people that at least claim a Jewish great/grandparents on here, they've been main population on many towns and cities

[Sacrificed Ram]

I like the patriarch Abraham, he lived in a forest of oaks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamre) and my surname in portuguese is "oak".

[pourple2q]

It doesnt mean that you have Ashkenazi origin.

Mine cca 20 distance in K13:
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.71
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.05
20 Tatar 20.7

Can you tell me your distance for the next countries in MDLP World-22?
- Turkmenistan
- Uzbekistan
- Kyrkyz
- Uyghur
- Tatar
- Gagauz

Thanks!

[Ion Basescul]

My mother's father has the family name of the prophet Abraham in the Romanian version. But I did not hear anything about the Jews,

That doesn't mean that it comes with Jewish ancestry. For some reason, Jewish inspired surnames are popular in Romania.

All of the below are in the top 100:

Lazar


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
47,839
1:420
35

</tbody>
Avram


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
36,353
1:552
63

</tbody>

Iacob


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
35,650
1:563
67

</tbody>
David


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
32,170
1:624
75

</tbody>

Zaharia


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
30,422
1:660
85

</tbody>

[Ion Basescul]

Hahahha.
I wouldn't want to live with the thought that I am what I am not. It would have been better if I hadn't done these DNA tests to find out that they are made up of a million populations, at least until I did it, I considered myself a pure Romanian. But now I need to find out the truth.

Last time you considered yourself Turkish/Gagauz/Cuman though, and were surprised to be genetically similar to Romanians because of your East Asian-like traits. :rolleyes:

[pourple2q]

It doesn't look like you have some Ashkenazi in you. If there is any, it's distant.

Yes, it seems distant. How much would that mean?
It can be 5.51% as JTest (Gedmatch) says. Or in this percentage did they join the Jews, and (Jordan, Syria, Palestine, and other neighbors)?

[Ion Basescul]

Yes, it seems distant. How much would that mean?
It can be 5.51% as JTest (Gedmatch) says. Or in this percentage did they join the Jews, and (Jordan, Syria, Palestine, and other neighbors)?

That's not how JTest works. You need to compare the results to averages and then also against EUTest.



Update 11/10/2012: The Jtest and EUtest are now on offer at GEDmatch. The quickest way to get there is via this link to the Ad-Mix page (https://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/ap_mix1_gen.php). Then, from the drop down menus, choose Eurogenes, followed by Jtest.

First run the Admix test to check whether your Ashkenazi admixture is significantly higher than expected for your part of the world (as per above, Jtest averages for selected populations are available here (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQOTJFaUlKWkd5TW8/edit?authkey=CO6P06UH&authkey=CO6P06UH)). Then move on to the Oracle analysis by pressing the relevant button at the bottom of the page.

If your Ashkenazi admixture is clearly elevated, and the top 20 single and/or mixed mode Oracle results show AJ (Ashkenazi Jews) as one of your potential matches, then it’s likely you have recent Ashkenazi ancestry.

Whether that’s the case or not, you can then move on to the Chromosome Painting feature to see where the potential Ashkenazi admixture is located in your genome. It’s useful to cross check the results with those from the Ancestry Finder at 23andMe to assess their accuracy.


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-yA6UwEbUoCc/VBjtEPz-9gI/AAAAAAAABW0/zqTuhigI20s/w300-h188-no/PL1_Jtest_small.png (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQMHI3bTBad1ctSWM/edit?usp=sharing)

As already mentioned, the EUtest is exactly the same as the Jtest, but with the Ashkenazi allele frequencies taken out. You can use this option to see what’s hiding under your Ashkenazi admixture in the Jtest. To compare your results with those of selected populations from Europe, Asia and Africa, refer to the EUtest averages sheet (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQS1lQYUZIVlNmTlk/edit?usp=sharing).
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/09/eurogenes-ashkenazim-ancestry-test-files.html
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14173-Eurogenes-and-the-Jtest-question

[LittleDarkAge]

Hahahha.
I wouldn't want to live with the thought that I am what I am not. It would have been better if I hadn't done these DNA tests to find out that they are made up of a million populations, at least until I did it, I considered myself a pure Romanian. But now I need to find out the truth.

Do you have Romanian ancestry? Do you look Romanian? Are you culturally Romanian? Do people consider you a Romanian? Do you identify as Romanian? If the answer is yes, you don't anything else to tell you what you are, because you know damn well.

[Abriekman]

People who are about 5% Ashkenazi have majority of dna relatives being Jewish, this is the best way to tell if you have it, also I would not pay attention to JTest, since in spreadsheet almost all European populations, except Irish score some "Ashkenazi"

[Sacrificed Ram]

Even the coat-of-arms of my surname is related with Abraham history.
https://i.ibb.co/2nnrrqf/Bras-o.gif
My luck is karaite jews are patrilinear.

[pourple2q]

Romanians get a wide range of results, we're mixed as fuck, both recently and in old times, these lands have been crossed by everybody, so anything is possible

Hello.
We learn from history teachers in Romanian schools, that after the Aurelian retreat, the province of Dacia remains the prey of some migrants.
Strangely, the Avar Empire appears on the territory of today's Romania.
We, are taught by teachers, the fact that the Latins withdraw from the province of Dacia, and there remains a population (partially Romanized) that becomes the prey of migrations.
In the province of Dacia, the Avar Empire appears.
South of it is an Empire strangely named the Roman Empire. (Possibly the Eastern Roman Empire and the Western Roman Empire).
But we learn from school teachers that we are interfering with these misers, and not just that we will be part of their empire. (Search the internet for Romanian ethnogenesis, which includes even these Pannonian Avars).
We learn, therefore, that the Emperor of the Romans loved only a part of the Romans, so when he retired he took a part of the Romans (in the Roman Empire) from under the Avar Empire (see map), but he also made differences. he left them there.

I do not have absolute confidence in DNA tests, I am not the best historian, I am really among the weakest, but all I managed was to find the site (https://mytrueancestry.com). I am not able to prove its quality. However, it is the only site where I found the DNA of these Pannonian Avars. (I posted pictures). Because Wikipedia says that there is a small difference between Caucasian Damage and Pannonian Damage, fortunately for us, this site refers to Pannonian Damage. Even in the description, he says it's about them, and he offers 8 DNA monsters with which they compared my DNA.

You can see my results in the pictures. Along with the picture with a map, in which we see clearly that today's Romania was occupied by the Avar Empire, and below it is the Roman Empire.

I still compared my DNA with Romanian and Greek soldiers. Similar ones were found (although they differ), and not counting the percentages, it is a proof that the Romanians were really part of the Roman Empire. And, there is another proof, that the Romanians did not mix with the Avar Empire.
Well, no one was there. We can stay in the faith. We can believe that we have mixed with the Pannonian Avar Empire.
Science is probably against the faith, but science has shown me that I have 0% DNA similar to the Avar Empire.

So, if we are Romanians. And we speak Romanian. And we are proud to be Romanians. Why don't we still think we are the descendants of these soldiers of the Roman Empire. And, why are we not proud of what belongs to us (see the map of the Roman Empire), instead of being proud of what does not belong to us (Pannonian Avar)?

And, if we are the sons of these soldiers of the Roman Empire, we will probably understand why (I quote): '' Romanians get a wide range of results, we're mixed as fuck ''. And I ask, isn't it that we have Romanized the rest of the populations, and that's why in these DNA tests we get lost in detail? The fact that we have, for example, a DNA very close to: France, Spain, Portugal, North Africa, Israel, the Middle East, Anatolia, Greece, the Balkans, Germany (Holy Roman Empire), makes us believe that we are a mixture from all the countries I have listed. Isn't it more logical, that this is only due to the Romanization process, and in fact they have our DNA, not us theirs?

It is normal in 2021, not to be (Daco-Roman) pure. I mean not 100%. However, why do everyone post on these sites that they are made up of a million populations?

'' Wake up Romanians, from the deadly sleep!
In which the tyrannical barbarians plunged you! ''
- This is the anthem of Romania.

[Insuperable]

Shalom.

[pourple2q]

I like the patriarch Abraham, he lived in a forest of oaks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamre) and my surname in portuguese is "oak".

Nice, my family name translates to "wolf".

[pourple2q]

That doesn't mean that it comes with Jewish ancestry. For some reason, Jewish inspired surnames are popular in Romania.

All of the below are in the top 100:

Lazar


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
47,839
1:420
35

</tbody>
Avram


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
36,353
1:552
63

</tbody>

Iacob


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
35,650
1:563
67

</tbody>
David


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
32,170
1:624
75

</tbody>

Zaharia


<tbody>
Place
Incidence
Frequency
Rank in Area


Romania
30,422
1:660
85

</tbody>

Very interesting, but the quote comes to mind: "Remember that everything happens for a purpose."
I'm not saying I have pure Jewish descent, but it's a strange coincidence between the last name and the DNA test results. And that's why I'm trying to find out more about what's left (if there was anything). So you think that 5.51% is fake?

[pourple2q]

Last time you considered yourself Turkish/Gagauz/Cuman though, and were surprised to be genetically similar to Romanians because of your East Asian-like traits. :rolleyes:

Maybe an agreement has been reached. I do not declare myself Turkish / Gagauz / Cuman. However, today no one is a pure Roman of the 100's. This means that there is a possibility that I have small traces from a Turkish population, namely: the Pechenegs.
Everything is based on good reasons: My physical appearance, along with the physical aspects of my family. Along with what everyone asks me: "Are you Turkish?" Along with a suspicion, when I was little, children telling me that I look like a Chinese. Other good reasons are: the fact that the history of my own village, teaches that the village has remained in the memory of its founders (Pechenegs). Along with this, there are stories, from father to father and from grandfather to grandfather, and from great-grandfather to great-grandfather, which came to me through parental transmission, in which my ancestor (distant, not my grandfather) was a descendant of this Pecheneg. .
So, I didn't declare myself Turkish / Gagauz / Cuman. Not! But I wanted to find out, on a scale from 0 to 100, if there was a trace left in me, considering that 1000 years have passed since the existence of the Pechenegs.
It can be 0.2%, it can be 0.5%, or 1%. Or, maybe 3%. Maybe even 10%, or wow ... more, but I don't know. This is exactly the title of the post: "How much in% am I Turkish?" Or "How old am I Turkish?" And then I will ask how much in% in the description.
That won't make me Turkish / Gagauz / Cuman. Even if there is a small trace of something else.
I don't consider myself, I consider myself Roman.
It's just like the question of this Off-Topic. "Am I Jewish?" Along with the description "Am I 5.51% Jewish?"

I didn't say I was Gagauz. But Gedmatch (MDLP World 22) puts my Gagauz population in 1st place. I didn't even know there were these "Gagauzi" until I saw the test results. But that made me believe that the Gagauzians are descendants of the Pechenegs. And I didn't consider myself one or the other, but only (Roman, with traces of Pechenegs).
And, instead of using the word "considered", I have more "scientifically proven" based on my DNA evidence supported by MDLP World 22, that. So the "consideration" was self-understood, not declared.

Cuman is extra. I didn't really say that, considering that this population killed in a Pecheneg genocide!

And Turkish, I didn't declare myself. But, Turkic. (ie, population 1000 years ago). I hope you understand the difference.

So I'm sorry for any misunderstandings. I try to find out only how many % I am Jewish or Turkish (aware of the small percentages). I do not declare myself a Jew or a Turk.

Thanks!

[Sacrificed Ram]

Nice, my family name translates to "wolf".

Wolf is the animal symbol of Benjamin Tribe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Benjamin).
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/da/7e/88/da7e8885bc00e9c7e7035c056d2539ea.jpg
Benjamin tribe survived together with Judah tribe when the 10 tribes of Israel were lost.

My personal name is "Randolf", "guardian wolf" in gothic germanic.

[pourple2q]

That's not how JTest works. You need to compare the results to averages and then also against EUTest.

http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/09/eurogenes-ashkenazim-ancestry-test-files.html
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14173-Eurogenes-and-the-Jtest-question

However, the group only asked me for the Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 results. And K13 doesn't even identify me as Romanian, but as Bulgarian.
''If your Ashkenazi admixture is clearly elevated, and the top 20 single and/or mixed mode Oracle results show AJ (Ashkenazi Jews) as one of your potential matches, then it’s likely you have recent Ashkenazi ancestry.''
The distance to Ashkenazi in K13 is 20.
Instead, in K15 where I get the answer that I am Romanian (which is true) I get the distance 16.

[pourple2q]

Do you have Romanian ancestry? Do you look Romanian? Are you culturally Romanian? Do people consider you a Romanian? Do you identify as Romanian? If the answer is yes, you don't anything else to tell you what you are, because you know damn well.

The answer is yes to everything. However, I am 100% Romanian. Or can I have 5.51% Ashkenazi?

[pourple2q]

People who are about 5% Ashkenazi have majority of dna relatives being Jewish, this is the best way to tell if you have it, also I would not pay attention to JTest, since in spreadsheet almost all European populations, except Irish score some "Ashkenazi"

Why wouldn't that be true. We do not live in the medieval. It's 2021, and Jews have spread across Europe 2,000 years ago. No one is pure anymore. Or who in this group has sex with his sister / cousin? Let's hope no one. So it is possible that in 2000, many received Jewish DNA. It's not me, it's DNA tests. I am just trying to find out the truth through pros and cons with you, in search of the truth. Thanks.

[Ion Basescul]

Very interesting, but the quote comes to mind: "Remember that everything happens for a purpose."

Yes, I agree with this, which is why I am also very skeptical about the origin of Romanians/Moldovans with non-Moldovan/Romanian surnames. But the genetic influence can be very distant and completely gone, kind of like in the case of haplogroups. In cases like yours where so many Romanians carry it, I don't think that it carries any Jewish genetic weight with it.


However, the group only asked me for the Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 results. And K13 doesn't even identify me as Romanian, but as Bulgarian.


Bulgarians are similar to Romanians, especially to those living closer to Bulgaria. It just so happens that you are closer to their average on GEDmatch. But as I have shown you, you are extremely typical for your location genetically. Regarding Jewish, as Abriekmann told you, the best way to identify small and not obvious admixtures is by checking your matches. If you have many Jewish matches near the top of your relatives, then it is certain that you inherited something.

[LittleDarkAge]

The answer is yes to everything. However, I am 100% Romanian. Or can I have 5.51% Ashkenazi?

Nobody is 100% anything. Humans share over 90% of their DNA with monkeys and chimpanzees, and you still haven't seen one person claiming he's not human enough or that he has problems setting apart himself from the primate cousins. What really matters is the combination, that's what forms a species, a race, and an ethnicity. Our ancestors didn't have DNA tests, and so their judgment was based on simple but effective ways: appearance, behavior, and self-identification. Looks European, acts like an European, and self-identifies as an European? He's an European. Oh, by that small, insignifcant percent of my DNA says I'm Jewish. Yeah, right.

[ModernMaskil]

No.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Is there someone in western world that doesn't score some jewish ancestry?

[pourple2q]

People who are about 5% Ashkenazi have majority of dna relatives being Jewish, this is the best way to tell if you have it, also I would not pay attention to JTest, since in spreadsheet almost all European populations, except Irish score some "Ashkenazi"

However, Abraham lived many years ago. According to biblical tradition (and some say myth), Abraham (c. 20th century BCE). And he tries to confess that God promised him that he would multiply his seed like the stars of heaven. Whether we believe it or not, even from a historical, scientific and anti-religious point of view, we find out that Jews arrived in Europe 2000 years ago. However, the world did not start 2000 years ago, it is possible that a few hundred years later a Jew appeared slowly in Europe. And not just "expelled refugees." Well, they even had great empires. "Khazar Empire" is just one example. Regardless of the image of "refugees" during the attack of the Roman Empire. Not all history ends here. Many had great titles.
Also: Many do not come directly. But many Muslims may have Jewish ancestors. And you're probably not a direct Jew, but you have a great-grandfather who lived many years ago, who was Slavic, or Italian, or German, or Greek, or Spanish, and he in turn had a Jewish grandfather.
Or, you can have Turkish, Anatolian, Armenian, Arab, North African ancestors. And they were not pure Jews either, but they had Jewish grandparents. And so that made what you said happen. I'm not declaring, I'm just saying that it could be as impossible as it is possible. What do you think?
That's what made some Ashkenazi DNA 5%. Others may have only 1%, and others not at all. (Actually that's what I'm trying to find out).

[pourple2q]

Wolf is the animal symbol of Benjamin Tribe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Benjamin).
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/da/7e/88/da7e8885bc00e9c7e7035c056d2539ea.jpg
Benjamin tribe survived together with Judah tribe when the 10 tribes of Israel were lost.

My personal name is "Randolf", "guardian wolf" in gothic germanic.

Many ancient peoples had the wolf as an idol and symbol. However, everything happens with a purpose. It may have a meaning, but we don't know it.
My last name is not the name of the prophet Abraham. But my mother's father has it. (So does my mother, until marriage).
Instead, my last name translates as "wolf" and more precisely "son of the wolf". This last name comes from my father. And not from the Jews (I can't say anything anyway). And, although he is a "wolf" in Romanian, my father has Pecheneg ancestors. They worshiped Tengri and the wolf. (But I'm not declaring anything).

[LittleDarkAge]

Is there someone in western world that doesn't score some jewish ancestry?

Of course. There are 700 million Europeans. Jews are 2% of the population. Do the math.

[pourple2q]

Yes, I agree with this, which is why I am also very skeptical about the origin of Romanians/Moldovans with non-Moldovan/Romanian surnames. But the genetic influence can be very distant and completely gone, kind of like in the case of haplogroups. In cases like yours where so many Romanians carry it, I don't think that it carries any Jewish genetic weight with it.



Bulgarians are similar to Romanians, especially to those living closer to Bulgaria. It just so happens that you are closer to their average on GEDmatch. But as I have shown you, you are extremely typical for your location genetically. Regarding Jewish, as Abriekmann told you, the best way to identify small and not obvious admixtures is by checking your matches. If you have many Jewish matches near the top of your relatives, then it is certain that you inherited something.

In almost all tests I get Ashkenazi, including approximations of 4 populations:
MDLP-World 22 gives me a distance of 12.7. Actually, I'm going to make a table for everyone. I want to finish this mystery once, and thank you very much for getting involved!
So, I hope I'm not wrong somewhere. I'm not an expert. :D

[pourple2q]

Nobody is 100% anything. Humans share over 90% of their DNA with monkeys and chimpanzees, and you still haven't seen one person claiming he's not human enough or that he has problems setting apart himself from the primate cousins. What really matters is the combination, that's what forms a species, a race, and an ethnicity. Our ancestors didn't have DNA tests, and so their judgment was based on simple but effective ways: appearance, behavior, and self-identification. Looks European, acts like an European, and self-identifies as an European? He's an European. Oh, by that small, insignifcant percent of my DNA says I'm Jewish. Yeah, right.

Fantastic information, that we share so much with the monkeys. How strange, the people on this group are grouping together. Try to find out the differences and the distance even from the neighboring countries. And others, try to prove that we are all one and the same. In fact, even monkeys: D
However, this is a passion!

[pourple2q]

Is there someone in western world that doesn't score some jewish ancestry?

If science proves this, it is so strange that although religion is false, the seed of Abraham becomes as big as the stars in the sky. (according to DNA science). However, even after the science of DNA, will we not know it? That makes me even more curious to find out once it's with that 5.51% Ashkenazi.

[pourple2q]

No.

The title of the post is different from the real question: "Are they 5.51% Ashkenazi?" Because, I already know I'm not Jewish.
After all, this is the essence of DNA testing and this forum. So, can you argue why not? I really want to know.

[pourple2q]

Of course. There are 700 million Europeans. Jews are 2% of the population. Do the math.

Amazingly, how can so few people, who come from even fewer people (According to the Torah & Old Testament), become so many? Supported by science and DNA. For here it is no longer a question of faith, but of what we see with our eyes.

[ModernMaskil]

The title of the post is different from the real question: "Are they 5.51% Ashkenazi?" Because, I already know I'm not Jewish.
After all, this is the essence of DNA testing and this forum. So, can you argue why not? I really want to know.

Because 5.51% Ashkenazi on Jtest isn't actually 5.51% Ashkenazi, you're using it wrong. Full Ashkenazim get ~30% Ashkenazi on Jtest. Full Romanians typically get 5.65% according to the spreadsheet, so you're even less "Ashkenazi" than the average Romanian.

[Rafael Passoni]

GEDmatch Jtest (me):
Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 6.62 Pct
EAST_EURO -
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 16.57 Pct
ATLANTIC 19.66 Pct
WEST_MED 22.46 Pct
ASHKENAZI 8.29 Pct
EAST_MED 18.89 Pct
WEST_ASIAN 5.28 Pct
MIDDLE_EASTERN 2.22 Pct
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Vahaduo Jtest (me):
Target: rafael
Distance: 3.0192% / 3.01921172
75.3 Tuscan
12.9 French_Basque
3.7 Sardinian
3.5 Ashkneazi
3.4 North_Italian
1.2 French

So... I'm Ashkneazi Jew too.

[TheMaestro]

Shabat Shalom

[Sacrificed Ram]

At least he is not claiming be Dacian...

[Mortimer]

5% is average for non Jewish Europeans on jtest but even if you were literally 5 % you would not be Jewish