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Token
01-14-2021, 01:02 PM
It seems i missed this paper. Summary of the conclusions:


It looks like there was a large back-migration event in the Late Middle Paleolithic which replaced a large part of the population of Sub-Saharan Africa.
No evidence for bidirectional geneflow after the out-of-Africa event.
The Eurasian back-migration seems to predate admixture events with archaic hominids - no evidence of Neanderthal and Denisovan in modern-day Africans.
The estimates were 0.35±0.04 for Niger-Kordofanians, and 0.41±0.03 for Nilo-Saharans when using modern-day Eurasians as reference. The authors tells us that these figures may be even higher given that the Neanderthal admixture in the references used may deflate the real percentages.
South African hunter-gatherers such as the Khoe-san got substantially less Eurasian admixture, more or less half the amount of admixture seen in Yoruba and Nilo-Saharans.
Mbuti-Biaka are intermediate between Khoe-san and West Africans in terms of Eurasian admixture.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.127555v1.full.pdf
Abstract: Genetic diversity across human populations has been shaped by demographic history, making it possible
to infer past demographic events from extant genomes. However, demographic inference in the ancient
past is dicult, particularly around the out-of-Africa event in the Late Middle Paleolithic, a period of
profound importance to our species’ history. Here we present SMCSMC, a Bayesian method for inference of
time-varying population sizes and directional migration rates under the coalescent-with-recombination
model, to study ancient demographic events. We find evidence for substantial migration from the
ancestors of present-day Eurasians into African groups between 40 and 70 thousand years ago, predating
the divergence of Eastern and Western Eurasian lineages. This event accounts for previously unexplained
genetic diversity in African populations, and supports the existence of novel population substructure
in the Late Middle Paleolithic. Our results indicate that our species’ demographic history around the
out-of-Africa event is more complex than previously appreciated.

Dr_Maul
01-14-2021, 01:11 PM
Related to Haplo E I wonder?

Chaos One
01-14-2021, 01:18 PM
:popcorn:

Chaos One
01-14-2021, 01:21 PM
Related to Haplo E I wonder?

Or maybe those R1b in West Africa can explain this? Hausas are almost 50% R1b.

Token
01-14-2021, 01:23 PM
Or maybe those R1b in West Africa can explain this? Hausas are almost 50% R1b.

The R1b came from later Neolithic migrations, that is already established. The Hausa have excess Eurasian when compared to Yoruba.

Leto
01-14-2021, 02:55 PM
We find evidence for substantial migration from the ancestors of present-day Eurasians into African groups between 40 and 70 thousand years ago, predating the divergence of Eastern and Western Eurasian lineages.
So that doesn't mean West African blacks are 1/3 Caucasoid or anything like that. Still totally black.

Token
01-14-2021, 03:09 PM
So that doesn't mean West African blacks are 1/3 Caucasoid or anything like that. Still totally black.

It was probably something like Basal Eurasian i.e the non Villabruna-like admixture in West Eurasians which peaks in Bedouins. I'd bet it comes from a lineage that stayed in southern Arabia after the out-of-Africa event and then migrated back to the continent instead of going north with the would-be West and East Eurasians.

Hajimurad
01-14-2021, 03:44 PM
It was probably something like Basal Eurasian i.e the non Villabruna-like admixture in West Eurasians which peaks in Bedouins. I'd bet it comes from a lineage that stayed in southern Arabia after the out-of-Africa event and then migrated back to the continent instead of going north with the would-be West and East Eurasians.

So, those Eurasians were like Veddoid tribes of South Arabia who speak South Arabian languages (Soqotri, Mahra, etc.)?

Token
01-14-2021, 03:55 PM
So, those Eurasians were like Veddoid tribes of South Arabia who speak South Arabian languages (Soqotri, Mahra, etc.)?
Mehri are regular Arabians and West Eurasians, see here (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13452-Mehri-Mahra-samples-amp-Gedmatch-IDs). Soqotrians are probably no different given their paternal lineages.

Hajimurad
01-14-2021, 03:58 PM
Mehri are regular Arabians and West Eurasians, see here (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13452-Mehri-Mahra-samples-amp-Gedmatch-IDs). Soqotrians are probably no different given their paternal lineages.

Then which modern population is closer to these Eurasians?

Token
01-14-2021, 04:04 PM
Then which modern population is closer to these Eurasians?

Basal Eurasian peaks in certain Arabian groups, but we are still talking about a small part of their genome. An Arabian would be closer to a Japanese than to Basal Eurasian, that is the magnitude of the difference.

Aren
01-14-2021, 10:46 PM
Related to Haplo E I wonder?

And/or mtdna L3 aswell. If this holds true in the future that is. I don't have the time to read this, but if this admixture event is that old then it's no surprise that basically all modern day SSA have it to varying degrees.

Given that Basal Eurasian and Crown Eurasian both diverged from the same subset population, one then wonders if this Eurasian input is Basal, Crown Eurasian or simply from a related clade that diverged earlier or later? Given the quantity of it in I suspect it's the last option.

Token
01-15-2021, 08:38 AM
And/or mtdna L3 aswell. If this holds true in the future that is. I don't have the time to read this, but if this admixture event is that old then it's no surprise that basically all modern day SSA have it to varying degrees.

Given that Basal Eurasian and Crown Eurasian both diverged from the same subset population, one then wonders if this Eurasian input is Basal, Crown Eurasian or simply from a related clade that diverged earlier or later? Given the quantity of it in I suspect it's the last option.
It can't be Crown because it has no Neanderthal. The options i see are Basal Eurasian (or some closely related population) or something between Basal and Crown.

Aren
01-15-2021, 11:18 PM
It can't be Crown because it has no Neanderthal. The options i see are Basal Eurasian (or some closely related population) or something between Basal and Crown.

Ust Ishim had really low Neanderthal though, if I remember correctly and he's (Late?)Eurasian. If it's Basal then chances are that modern day SSA, especially West Africans have more Basal than Middle Easterners maybe with the exception of Bedouins and Khaleeji Arabs.

Oliver109
01-15-2021, 11:37 PM
Makes a lot of sense really, those twins from Nigeria i posted on here a few weeks ago had clear Eurasian admixture and many Nigerians and west Africans do show signs of admixture from earlier Caucasoid groups, something even Carleton Coon touched on in the Living races of man, most DNA studies have shown most S Saharan groups to have minimal(1-5%) amounts of non African DNA though some of the Nilolitc tribes unsurprisingly have no non African DNA.

Token
01-16-2021, 09:53 AM
Ust Ishim had really low Neanderthal though, if I remember correctly and he's (Late?)Eurasian. If it's Basal then chances are that modern day SSA, especially West Africans have more Basal than Middle Easterners maybe with the exception of Bedouins and Khaleeji Arabs.
Indeed modern-day Eurasians seems to share more drift with Neanderthal than Ust-Ishim, even though he seems to have lived right after the admixture event based on the longer chunks of Neanderthal segments. Maybe West and East Crown Eurasians got additional Neanderthal independently after the split.

NSXD60
02-08-2021, 03:37 AM
Yeah, but the other 2 turds are still black.

NSXD60
02-08-2021, 04:05 AM
West Eurasians are 1/3 SSA.

I wasn't being serious, thus the spelling.