View Full Version : The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations
Token
01-15-2021, 08:40 PM
Abstract: The Cycladic, the Minoan, and the Helladic (Mycenaean) cultures define the Bronze Age (BA) of Greece. Urbanism, complex social structures, craft and agricultural specialization, and the earliest forms of writing, characterize this iconic period. We sequenced six early to middle BA whole genomes, along with 11 mtDNA genomes, sampled from the three BA cultures of the Aegean Sea. The Early BA (EBA) genomes are homogeneous and derive most of their ancestry from Neolithic Aegeans, contrary to earlier hypotheses that the Neolithic-EBA cultural transition was due to massive population turn-over. EBA Aegeans were shaped by relatively small-scale migration from East of the Aegean, as evidenced by the Caucasus-related ancestry also detected in Anatolians. In contrast, Middle BA (MBA) individuals of northern Greece differ from EBA populations in showing ~50% Pontic-Caspian Steppe-related ancestry, dated at ca. 2,600-2,000 BCE. Such gene flow events during the MBA contributed towards shaping present-day Greek genomes.
https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/sra/?study=ERP121113
Greeks from Steppe_MLBA confirmed :coffee:
Token
01-15-2021, 08:59 PM
Bump
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSuq3Riil1m2VWTo6w21QkMZ2OUmCNO 2qO6Q&usqp=CAU
XenophobicPrussian
01-15-2021, 09:20 PM
Abstract: The Cycladic, the Minoan, and the Helladic (Mycenaean) cultures define the Bronze Age (BA) of Greece. Urbanism, complex social structures, craft and agricultural specialization, and the earliest forms of writing, characterize this iconic period. We sequenced six early to middle BA whole genomes, along with 11 mtDNA genomes, sampled from the three BA cultures of the Aegean Sea. The Early BA (EBA) genomes are homogeneous and derive most of their ancestry from Neolithic Aegeans, contrary to earlier hypotheses that the Neolithic-EBA cultural transition was due to massive population turn-over. EBA Aegeans were shaped by relatively small-scale migration from East of the Aegean, as evidenced by the Caucasus-related ancestry also detected in Anatolians. In contrast, Middle BA (MBA) individuals of northern Greece differ from EBA populations in showing ~50% Pontic-Caspian Steppe-related ancestry, dated at ca. 2,600-2,000 BCE. Such gene flow events during the MBA contributed towards shaping present-day Greek genomes.
https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/sra/?study=ERP121113
Greeks from Steppe_MLBA confirmed :coffee:
Is it though? I'll read the paper later but would like to know forsure, but at most Greeks from Steppe confirmed.
The quote doesn't specify whether they modelled them with Yamnaya or Steppe_MLBA. Typically MLBA refers to CW, Sintashta, Andronovo, Srubnaya, Fatyanovo, etc, who actually clustered with modern Europeans while Yamnaya were basically just Caucasoid Tatars.
Greek, Albanian and Armenian are pretty different from other IE languages, so it would be interesting to see if they came from the same CW source or Yamnaya. It is a big difference.
Either way, the Greek language, Religion and Y-DNA is from a northern source, but all evidence points to the civilizational process still coming from the east/south with CHG and Levant_N related ancestry(including in Italy), not IE(nor locally born out of EEFs either), before anyone wants to suggest so.
J. Ketch
01-15-2021, 09:27 PM
50% Steppe? Awesome. Wonder where they plotted genetically.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 09:32 PM
Right in time:)
Kou01 Cycladic-Koufonisi-EBA
K36
Distance to: x
2.83879574 GR_Rhodos
2.92015056 Cyprus_Greek
2.93593838 GR_Ikaria
2.99623464 GR_Symi
3.03425934 GR_Karpathos
3.04702372 GR_Chios
3.11979954 GR_Kalymnos
3.13716166 German_Ashkenazy
3.15996715 GR_Smyrna
3.16542319 IT_Calabria
Target: x | ADC: 1x
99.0 GR_Rhodos
1.0 Lebanon_Maronite
Soon more.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 09:48 PM
Log02 Helladic-Logkas-MBA
K36
Distance to: x
1.59500972 IT_Ladinia
1.67668337 FR_Provence
1.68069543 IT_Umbria
1.71909086 IT_Abruzzo
1.72958390 IT_Liguria
1.74136757 Portugal_South
1.75062196 IT_Piedmont
1.76722862 PT_Madeira
1.78631961 IT_Basilicata
1.78702379 IT_Lazio
K13
Components %
North_Atlantic 33,47
Baltic 2,92
West_Med 19,87
West_Asian 10,70
East_Med 26,03
Red_Sea 3,43
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,70
Oceanian 1,86
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 1,03
Log02,33.47,2.92,19.87,10.7,26.03,3.43,0,0,0,0.7,1 .86,0,1.03
So MBA Greeks plot with central Italians? Well, that's not 50% steppe, right? Except other samples are different.
Token
01-15-2021, 09:52 PM
So MBA Greeks plot with central Italians? Well, that's not 50% steppe, right? Except other samples are different.
50% Steppe_MLBA/CWC-like.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 09:53 PM
So MBA Greeks plot with central Italians? Well, that's not 50% steppe, right? Except other samples are different.
I remind that many Albanians get central Italian results on both G25 or Gedmatch....
I'm checking other samples too. Soon more.
50% Steppe_MLBA/CWC-like.
Wouldn't they plot more north in such case? I'm not sure, just asking. Maybe we should wait for Lucas to run other samples.
Alenka
01-15-2021, 09:56 PM
Can someone plot them on K15? I'm curious where they land.
XenophobicPrussian
01-15-2021, 09:58 PM
Wouldn't they plot more north in such case? I'm not sure, just asking. Maybe we should wait for Lucas to run other samples.
You're forgetting about the other 50% lol. No extra WHG, and their other stuff wouldn't be solely EEF either, but a lot of extra post-neolithic MENA.
N. Europeans are basically 70% Steppe_MLBA, 80-85%+ Bell Beaker, 50% Steppe/Yamnaya, Steppe_MLBA still plots south(and still east) of N. Europeans.
Either way, we still have no idea if the model is using Yamnaya or Steppe_MLBA, Steppe_MLBA are Token's words only.
You're forgetting about the other 50% lol. No extra WHG, and their other stuff wouldn't be solely EEF either, but a lot of extra post-neolithic MENA.
N. Europeans are basically 70% Steppe_MLBA, 80-85%+ Bell Beaker, 50% Steppe/Yamnaya, Steppe_MLBA plots south of N. Europeans.
Thanks for explanation! That makes sense :)
Lucas
01-15-2021, 09:59 PM
Can someone plot them on K15? I'm curious where they land.
Log02,16.47,23.42,2.11,0,18.51,9.62,22.87,3.59,0,0 ,0,0.43,1.83,0,1.16
Distance to: Log02
7.40096615 Tuscan
7.69314630 France_Corsica
7.82740059 Italy_Tuscany
8.34017386 Italy_Marche
8.49748786 Italy_Emiliaromagna
8.60634650 Italy_Liguria
8.74878849 Italy_Lazio
10.41768208 Italy_Lombardy
10.60580973 West_Sicilian
12.03777803 Sicily_Syracuse
12.61178021 French_Provence
12.88009705 Sicily_Trapani
13.21559685 Italy_Veneto
13.55064574 Albanian-South
13.59731223 Italy_Abruzzo
13.90364341 Italy_Friuli
13.96006805 Italy_Piedmont
14.04677899 Sicily_Enna
14.14832499 Sicily_Caltanisetta
14.25975806 Italy_Apulia
14.28785498 Sicily_Ragusa
14.49337435 Albanian-North
14.68797127 Albanian-Kosovo
14.74337478 Sicily_Palermo
14.81100604 Italy_Central_Sicily
Token
01-15-2021, 10:00 PM
Wouldn't they plot more north in such case? I'm not sure, just asking. Maybe we should wait for Lucas to run other samples.
Ladinia is in far northern Alpine Italy, that is already quite northern. But lets see the others.
Edit: K15 looks more southern...
J. Ketch
01-15-2021, 10:01 PM
I was guessing it would be North Italian like, but it makes sense with how woggy EBA Greeks were.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 10:13 PM
Pta08 Minoan-Petras-EBA
K36
Distance to: x
1.92805628 GR_Symi
1.96690258 GR_Karpathos
2.02487362 GR_Ikaria
2.09197149 IT_Calabria
2.14519680 Sicily_Ragusa
2.17573308 Sicily_Katania
2.21352344 GR_Kythira
2.21796022 GR_Kos
2.22320377 Sicily_Siracuse
2.23655737 Sicily_Trapani
itilvolga
01-15-2021, 10:26 PM
Would it explain why some Aegean Turks (like the user Hapanuwa) get Italian on gedmatch results?
How many Helladic samples are there? Can someone post the Dodcad K12b and Eurogenes K13 for the most Steppe shifted sample?
50% Sintastha/late Corded Ware isn't that much. NW Europeans reach almost 70-75%%.
I would be really surprised if pre-proto Greeks didn't originate in the Catacomb culture or the the culture preceding it.
I was guessing it would be North Italian like, but it makes sense with how woggy EBA Greeks were.
Their non-Steppe part should be almost entirely Anatolia_BA-like. Even modern day North Italians derive ca 20% of their genome from Bronze Age Anatolia.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 10:29 PM
Mik15 Helladic-Manika-EBA
K13
Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41.8,6.29,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Distance to: x
18.52527193 Algerian_Jewish
19.18064650 Moroccan_Jew
19.47616492 Italian_Jewish
22.04608582 Sephardic_Jewish
22.59917919 Tunisian_Jewish
22.62203572 Libyan_Jewish
23.71164060 Greek_Symi_Island
23.97507039 IT_Calabria
24.41921375 Ashkenazi
24.53356476 Algerian
24.59106748 Malta
24.89529875 Moldova_Jewish
25.05905625 Sicily
25.40192512 Sardinia
25.45199992 Tunisian
25.72141131 IT_Campania
25.83348989 France_Corsica
25.83513886 IT_Apulia
25.94076136 Greek_North_Aegean
25.96375936 IT_Molise
26.32854345 IT_Abruzzo
26.58362278 Greek_Dodecanese
27.04873749 IT_Basilicata
27.17688540 Greek_Crete
27.57608565 Mozabite_Berber
I hope Logkas04 will be again more northern....
Lucas
01-15-2021, 10:32 PM
How many Helladic samples are there? Can someone post the Dodcad K12b and Eurogenes K13 for the most Steppe shifted sample?
50% Sintastha/late Corded Ware isn't that much. NW Europeans reach almost 70-75%%.
I would be really surprised if pre-proto Greeks didn't originate in the Catacomb culture or the the culture preceding it.
Log02 Helladic-Logkas-MBA
Dodecad K12b
Log02,3.52,1.05,0,0,34.06,18.89,0,0.3,7.61,0,32.2, 2.37
Distance to: x
6.05795873 Italian_Marche
6.88430824 Italian_Lazio
6.97276129 Italian_Romagna
7.91032869 Albanian
8.72847066 Greek_Athens
8.77753952 Italian_Abruzzo
8.86705701 Italian_Tuscany
8.89189519 Greek_Central
9.60879888 France_Corsica
9.71506047 Greek_Thrace
9.95195961 Greek_Thessaly
10.05953776 Greek_Peloponnese
10.29697528 Italian_Emilia
10.32281938 Italian_Campania
10.39122226 Greek_Thessaloniki
10.40767505 Italian_Apulia
10.53001425 Albanian_Kosovo
10.81624704 Greek_Foca
11.15741906 Italian_Liguria
11.67940067 Italian_Sicily
11.94210618 Greek_Lemnos
12.50726589 Bulgarian_Thrace
13.10651365 Italian_Lombardy
13.25768456 Ashkenazi_Jews
13.42894635 Italian_Veneto
Tacitus
01-15-2021, 10:41 PM
Mik15 Helladic-Manika-EBA
K13
Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41.8,6.29,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Distance to: x
18.52527193 Algerian_Jewish
19.18064650 Moroccan_Jew
19.47616492 Italian_Jewish
22.04608582 Sephardic_Jewish
22.59917919 Tunisian_Jewish
22.62203572 Libyan_Jewish
23.71164060 Greek_Symi_Island
23.97507039 IT_Calabria
24.41921375 Ashkenazi
24.53356476 Algerian
24.59106748 Malta
24.89529875 Moldova_Jewish
25.05905625 Sicily
25.40192512 Sardinia
25.45199992 Tunisian
25.72141131 IT_Campania
25.83348989 France_Corsica
25.83513886 IT_Apulia
25.94076136 Greek_North_Aegean
25.96375936 IT_Molise
26.32854345 IT_Abruzzo
26.58362278 Greek_Dodecanese
27.04873749 IT_Basilicata
27.17688540 Greek_Crete
27.57608565 Mozabite_Berber
I hope Logkas04 will be again more northern....
K13 Ancient
Distance to: Mik15
5.90324487 Tep002_Tepecik_Ciftlik_level_5_c_6500_BCE_8500_BP_
5.90324487 Tepecik002_Tepecik002_
6.48838963 I2529_Bulgaria_N_published_7601_ybp
7.18593070 I0854_Anatolia_N_sister.of.I0736_8106_ybp
7.22228496 I0745_Anatolia_N_8251_ybp
7.42114546 I0781_Bulgaria_C_6400_ybp
7.47466387 I1098_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp
7.58783237 I2937_Greece_Peloponnese_N_7359_ybp
7.77314608 I3709_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5847_ybp
7.98400902 I1906_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6600_ybp
8.04545835 I1101_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
8.17337140 I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_ybp
8.23022478 I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp
8.39803548 I1099_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
8.41783820 I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
8.49322083 I1876_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7544_ybp
8.50953583 I3708_Greece_Peloponnese_N_6550_ybp
8.61448780 I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
8.61708768 I0022_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
8.95398794 Tep002_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8585_ybp
8.99462061 Bar31_Anatolia_Early_Neolithic_
9.00668641 I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
9.02049888 I0736_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
9.38276612 Bar8_Anatolia_N.SG_8071_ybp
9.70595693 GreekNeolithicKleitos_Kleitos_4230–3995_
Well they weren't wrong when they said the EBA samples were basically Greek Neolithic-like.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 10:43 PM
I converted Log02 using smaller sized bam. I try later using bigger, maybe results will change to more northern:)
Now I'm waiting for rest of 9 GB (about 7 minutes) of Log04.
EDIT converting now. I can't wait:)
Ion Basescul
01-15-2021, 10:59 PM
Pta08 Minoan-Petras-EBA
K36
Distance to: x
1.92805628 GR_Symi
1.96690258 GR_Karpathos
2.02487362 GR_Ikaria
2.09197149 IT_Calabria
2.14519680 Sicily_Ragusa
2.17573308 Sicily_Katania
2.21352344 GR_Kythira
2.21796022 GR_Kos
2.22320377 Sicily_Siracuse
2.23655737 Sicily_Trapani
Do you have K13 for them too?
Lucas
01-15-2021, 11:02 PM
Do you have K13 for them too?
Components %
North_Atlantic 9,49
Baltic 0,00
West_Med 35,59
West_Asian 5,30
East_Med 43,72
Red_Sea 5,89
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,00
Oceanian 0,00
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 0,00
Lucas
01-15-2021, 11:03 PM
Right in time:)
Kou01 Cycladic-Koufonisi-EBA
K36
Distance to: x
2.83879574 GR_Rhodos
2.92015056 Cyprus_Greek
2.93593838 GR_Ikaria
2.99623464 GR_Symi
3.03425934 GR_Karpathos
3.04702372 GR_Chios
3.11979954 GR_Kalymnos
3.13716166 German_Ashkenazy
3.15996715 GR_Smyrna
3.16542319 IT_Calabria
Target: x | ADC: 1x
99.0 GR_Rhodos
1.0 Lebanon_Maronite
Soon more.
K13
Components %
North_Atlantic 1,93
Baltic 0,00
West_Med 38,02
West_Asian 7,85
East_Med 47,38
Red_Sea 2,78
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,00
Oceanian 0,00
Northeast_African 0,84
Sub-Saharan 1,20
Ion Basescul
01-15-2021, 11:19 PM
Greeks still primarily don't prefer them.
<tbody>
Target
Distance | ADC: 0.25x RC
Greece_MBA_Log02
I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp
I2163_Bulgaria_MLBA_3638_ybp
I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp
I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp
I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_
MA2203_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
MA2206_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
Greek
2.33523115
•
0.0
0.0
23.5
1.6
43.0
0.0
0.0
31.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Andros_Island
1.53470555
•
0.0
0.0
19.5
18.7
0.0
0.0
51.9
0.0
0.0
9.9
0.0
Greek_Athens
2.24054667
•
0.0
0.0
0.0
44.5
13.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
28.8
13.0
0.0
Greek_Cappadocian
2.86337587
•
0.0
0.0
12.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
36.2
51.8
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
14.45027189
•
0.0
0.0
7.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
92.9
0.0
Greek_Central
2.51850915
•
0.0
0.0
0.0
49.2
8.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
29.7
12.8
0.0
Greek_Central_Macedonia
2.65967557
•
0.0
29.1
22.4
0.0
15.4
0.0
0.0
33.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Chios
1.20634889
•
0.0
0.0
5.5
20.6
0.0
0.0
12.0
0.0
32.8
0.0
29.1
Greek_Crete
2.09663885
•
0.0
0.0
0.0
28.8
12.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
12.9
45.7
0.0
Greek_Cyclades
0.88321788
•
0.0
0.0
6.9
36.2
0.0
0.0
34.4
0.0
22.5
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cypriot
2.74661071
•
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
11.9
0.0
13.6
0.0
0.0
74.5
0.0
Greek_Dodecanese
1.65594171
•
0.0
0.0
9.1
11.0
0.0
0.0
38.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
41.6
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
2.11759583
•
0.0
8.8
0.0
60.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
31.2
0.0
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
4.80090079
•
0.0
27.9
20.3
0.0
12.3
0.0
0.0
39.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Ionia
2.09709245
•
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.8
10.5
0.0
1.3
0.0
23.7
24.7
0.0
Greek_Istanbul
3.37841179
•
0.0
0.0
24.7
23.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
51.4
0.0
0.0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
3.30510412
•
0.0
24.5
26.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
48.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_North_Aegean
1.22885705
•
0.0
0.0
5.4
26.6
0.0
0.0
35.1
0.0
30.1
0.0
2.8
Greek_Northeast
3.27956107
•
0.0
0.0
0.0
62.7
4.8
0.0
0.0
22.6
9.9
0.0
0.0
Greek_Northern-Thrace
7.33064541
•
0.0
42.0
27.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
31.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Peloponnese
1.91524483
•
0.0
0.0
22.5
0.0
43.5
0.0
0.0
34.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Symi_Island
1.43515176
•
7.9
0.0
8.5
0.0
0.0
7.8
52.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
23.1
Greek_Thessaly
1.89004848
•
0.0
0.0
24.4
0.0
49.1
0.0
0.0
26.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Trabzon
12.71041833
•
0.0
0.0
7.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
92.1
0.0
Greek_West
3.01605682
•
0.0
0.0
22.0
0.0
46.4
0.0
0.0
25.7
5.9
0.0
0.0
Greek_West_Macedonia
2.69321908
•
0.0
0.0
0.0
62.5
3.4
0.0
0.0
12.4
21.7
0.0
0.0
Greek_Western-Thrace
2.21381644
•
5.5
0.0
18.4
0.0
41.5
8.3
0.0
0.0
26.3
0.0
0.0
</tbody>
GreekNeolithicKleitos_Kleitos_4230–3995_,12.69,0.0 0,44.56,0.00,36.34,5.24,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,1.17
GreekNeolithicRevenia_Revenia_6438–6264,15.00,0.00 ,42.35,0.00,31.60,4.92,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.09,0. 00,5.03
I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,8.26,0.00,36 .65,8.59,41.54,4.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.25,0.00, 0.00
I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,9.32,0.00,36 .96,7.70,41.32,4.45,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.25,0.00, 0.00
I0073_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,8.10,0.00,39 .75,7.43,44.19,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00
I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,7.12,0.00,38 .22,7.49,43.48,3.08,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.60,0.00, 0.00
I2318_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5945_ybp,5.70,0.00,49.7 0,0.91,41.33,2.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00
I2937_Greece_Peloponnese_N_7359_ybp,10.75,0.00,43. 30,0.00,40.25,5.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00
I3708_Greece_Peloponnese_N_6550_ybp,9.31,0.00,43.6 2,0.00,41.56,5.51,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00
I3709_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5847_ybp,8.93,0.00,41.4 1,1.97,43.55,4.14,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00
I3920_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5770_ybp,8.42,0.00,35.7 0,11.02,37.82,7.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00
I5427_Greece_N_7892_ybp,4.81,0.00,49.72,0.00,40.89 ,4.58,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,13.38,0.00,3 5.43,8.11,38.53,4.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.00
I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75,3.24,32.05,13 .71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.58,0.00,0.00
I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_,10.52,2.73,31.92,8.82,36. 83,8.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.86,0.00,0.30
I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69,1.27,31.47,12.51, 27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0.87,3.47,0.98
I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp,20.11,0.00,30.28,9 .34,35.01,3.56,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.00,0.00,0.30,0.00
Klei10_Greece_Late_N.SG_6063_ybp,9.88,0.00,48.97,0 .00,36.62,4.34,0.00,0.19,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
MA2200_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp,2.30,0.00,24.62,2 5.44,41.07,6.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.48,0.00,0.00
MA2203_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp,10.14,0.00,24.29, 15.47,42.31,6.07,0.24,0.30,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.29,0.8 8
MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp,0.84,0.00,21.01,2 5.74,45.03,6.16,0.00,1.09,0.00,0.13,0.00,0.00,0.00
MA2206_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp,3.02,0.00,23.15,2 5.98,42.95,3.48,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.74,0.00,0.00
MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,3.30,0.00,18.98,26 .27,42.49,7.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.35,0.01,1.06
MA2212_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,2.83,0.00,27.28,20 .95,39.52,8.68,0.00,0.41,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.33,0.00
MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,6.21,0.00,22.22,24 .88,38.23,8.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.13,0.00,0.17
Pal7_Greece_Late_N.SG_6351_ybp,9.79,0.00,46.56,0.0 0,39.19,4.46,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Rev5_Revenia_northern_Greece_Neolithic_,14.97,0.00 ,42.42,0.00,31.53,4.96,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.09,0. 00,5.02
I0679_Bulgaria_Krepost_N_7622_ybp,11.04,0.00,30.74 ,10.22,43.21,2.75,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.05,0.00,0. 00
I0698_Bulgaria_N_published_7900_ybp,14.87,0.00,49. 98,0.00,29.89,5.25,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00
I0700_Bulgaria_MP_N_1d.rel.I1108_7934_ybp,34.11,21 .36,31.05,0.00,7.87,3.60,0.00,0.00,0.71,0.00,1.14, 0.00,0.16
I0706_Bulgaria_Dzhulyunitsa_N_7905_ybp,24.15,4.08, 45.10,0.00,25.58,0.57,0.00,0.20,0.00,0.00,0.32,0.0 0,0.00
I0781_Bulgaria_C_6400_ybp,15.07,0.00,42.87,0.00,39 .37,2.69,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I1108_Bulgaria_MP_N_7875_ybp,34.11,19.27,33.28,0.0 0,9.47,2.64,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.70,0.00,0.53
I1109_Bulgaria_MP_N_7635_ybp,19.09,0.00,47.12,0.00 ,31.97,1.83,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp,22.57,22.37,34.97,0.0 0,16.88,2.32,0.00,0.29,0.00,0.00,0.45,0.00,0.15
I1295_Bulgaria_MP_N_7752_ybp,23.51,10.91,37.29,0.0 0,27.99,0.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I1297_Bulgaria_MP_N_7817_ybp,40.02,10.25,33.23,0.0 0,10.27,5.83,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.40,0.00,0.00
I2163_Bulgaria_MLBA_3638_ybp,40.87,31.01,0.00,19.6 6,0.00,0.00,3.76,0.00,0.00,3.88,0.59,0.00,0.24
I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp,30.55,21.81,20.01,8.06 ,12.49,5.56,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.17,1.35,0.00,0.00
I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp,25.65,9.85,35.91,0.00, 25.77,1.70,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.11,0.00
I2176_Bulgaria_EBA_published_5132_ybp,24.99,12.62, 32.15,0.00,26.93,2.15,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.88,0.00,0.2 6,0.00
I2423_Bulgaria_Late_C_6388_ybp,17.54,0.31,47.40,0. 00,31.60,2.65,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00,0.00
I2424_Bulgaria_Late_C_6304_ybp,18.23,2.21,41.94,0. 00,33.80,3.82,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_ybp,26.87,0.00,40.70,0. 00,32.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_ybp,14.26,1.69,42.89,0. 00,36.95,4.21,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_ybp,25.03,0.00,38.98,0. 00,30.42,5.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2431_Bulgaria_Middle_C_6615_ybp,21.46,3.01,39.50, 0.00,33.28,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp,17.01,0.00,43.94,0.00,34 .88,4.17,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp,17.43,0.00,44.89,0.00, 34.76,2.91,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp,17.95,0.00,40.47,0.00,35 .28,6.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16.12,30.59,0.13 ,25.02,3.53,0.00,0.35,0.00,0.00,1.12,0.00,0.00
I2521_Bulgaria_N_7505_ybp,10.68,0.00,44.74,0.00,37 .25,7.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.03,0.00,0.00
I2526_Bulgaria_N_7336_ybp,11.84,0.00,49.66,0.00,36 .99,1.51,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I2529_Bulgaria_N_published_7601_ybp,14.14,0.00,42. 45,0.00,39.29,4.12,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00
I3879_Bulgaria_MP_N_7828_ybp,7.59,0.00,48.04,0.00, 38.10,6.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,2 8.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
merge_ANI159_ANI181_Bulgaria_Varna_EN2_6571_ybp,19 .03,3.30,41.76,0.00,33.04,2.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00 ,0.44,0.00,0.00
Greece_MBA_Log02,33.47,2.92,19.87,10.7,26.03,3.43, 0,0,0,0.7,1.86,0,1.03
Greece_MBA_Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41.8,6.29,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA_Pta08,9.49,0,35.59,5.30,43.72,5.89,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA_Kou01,1.93,0,38.2,7.85,47.38,2.78,0,0,0 ,0,0,0.84,1.20
Ajeje Brazorf
01-15-2021, 11:22 PM
Since you guys have a fetish for Eurogenes K13 on TA, I will use this calculator:
Kit ZK5342256
Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1. 21,0,0.18
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181187
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 3.953238
2 North_Italian @ 8.178178
3 West_Sicilian @ 9.017677
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.200360
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.669216
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% North_Italian @ 3.111231
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% South_Italian +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.522895
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 1.972852
Kit PJ5245899
Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0. 83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181369
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 8.349964
2 Bulgarian @ 9.142379
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% South_Italian @ 4.245197
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Irish +25% Romanian @ 3.226347
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Hungarian + Serbian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.765439
Since you guys have a fetish for Eurogenes K13 on TA, I will use this calculator:
Log02 (Kit ZK5342256)
North_Atlantic 25.42 Pct
Baltic 12.25 Pct
West_Med 24.46 Pct
West_Asian 9.54 Pct
East_Med 23.63 Pct
Red_Sea 2.29 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1 Pct
Oceanian 1.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181187
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 3.953238
2 North_Italian @ 8.178178
3 West_Sicilian @ 9.017677
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.200360
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.669216
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% North_Italian @ 3.111231
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% South_Italian +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.522895
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 1.972852
Log04 (Kit PJ5245899)
North_Atlantic 27.02 Pct
Baltic 17.23 Pct
West_Med 18.01 Pct
West_Asian 13.6 Pct
East_Med 18.4 Pct
Red_Sea 1.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_Asian 0.5 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Amerindian 2.35 Pct
Oceanian 0.3 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181369
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 8.349964
2 Bulgarian @ 9.142379
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% South_Italian @ 4.245197
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Irish +25% Romanian @ 3.226347
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Hungarian + Serbian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.765439
Damn. So these are probably the samples reaching 50% Steppe.
Slavic input in modern day Greeks might be heavily overstated.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 11:31 PM
Since you guys have a fetish for Eurogenes K13 on TA, I will use this calculator:
Log02 (Kit ZK5342256)
North_Atlantic 25.42 Pct
Baltic 12.25 Pct
West_Med 24.46 Pct
West_Asian 9.54 Pct
East_Med 23.63 Pct
Red_Sea 2.29 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1 Pct
Oceanian 1.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181187
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 3.953238
2 North_Italian @ 8.178178
3 West_Sicilian @ 9.017677
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.200360
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.669216
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% North_Italian @ 3.111231
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% South_Italian +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.522895
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 1.972852
You use this higher quality sample I see? I just downloaded it, ok you were faster:)
Ion Basescul
01-15-2021, 11:32 PM
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_EBA
Anatolia_MLBA
Bulgaria_Calcolithic
Bulgaria_EBA
Bulgaria_Thracian
Early_Slav
Greece_EBA_Kou01
Greece_EBA_Pta08
Greece_Greece_MBA_Log02
Greece_MBA_Mik15
Greece_Minoan
Greece_Mycenaean
Greek
0.10804496
•
2.1
30.2
3.6
7.7
9.8
37.2
0.0
0.0
6.6
0.0
2.8
0.0
Greek_Andros_Island
1.19004601
•
21.7
25.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
25.9
0.0
0.0
26.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Athens
0.20856811
•
7.2
31.4
3.7
5.1
16.4
29.0
0.0
0.0
5.3
0.0
0.0
1.9
Greek_Cappadocian
4.28241665
•
71.0
17.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
11.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
15.09855383
•
96.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central
0.24558358
•
23.5
17.4
2.5
5.3
2.0
30.6
0.0
0.0
10.3
0.0
0.0
8.4
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.25535862
•
0.0
27.2
5.8
5.9
8.9
41.2
3.4
0.0
1.3
0.0
0.9
5.4
Greek_Chios
0.36639398
•
37.5
29.5
0.0
0.0
6.2
16.4
0.0
0.0
7.5
0.0
0.0
2.9
Greek_Crete
0.49566705
•
19.2
36.4
0.0
0.1
0.0
22.8
0.0
0.0
9.0
0.0
0.0
12.5
Greek_Cyclades
0.48284877
•
20.6
22.3
1.5
1.5
0.0
23.4
0.0
0.0
26.2
0.0
0.0
4.5
Greek_Cypriot
2.49063659
•
72.5
10.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
5.8
0.0
1.6
0.0
10.1
0.0
0.0
Greek_Dodecanese
0.86733783
•
50.2
23.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
15.1
0.0
0.0
11.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.89536624
•
29.0
0.0
6.4
0.0
10.4
40.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
14.0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.76389106
•
0.4
30.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
45.4
0.0
23.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Ionia
0.29586396
•
9.6
37.0
2.7
5.5
5.0
25.5
0.0
0.0
12.8
1.9
0.0
0.0
Greek_Istanbul
2.64237390
•
30.7
19.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.9
0.0
0.0
9.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
0.56766322
•
9.1
45.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
41.4
0.0
0.0
3.7
0.0
0.0
0.5
Greek_North_Aegean
0.50969725
•
31.2
28.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
19.5
0.0
0.0
9.5
3.1
0.0
8.2
Greek_Northeast
0.28666648
•
13.3
18.1
3.7
4.6
15.7
38.1
0.0
0.0
5.6
0.0
0.0
0.9
Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.42595668
•
0.0
25.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
55.2
0.0
0.0
1.0
0.0
18.6
0.0
Greek_Peloponnese
0.29717246
•
7.9
24.1
0.0
5.7
0.0
35.3
0.0
0.0
11.9
2.9
0.5
11.7
Greek_Symi_Island
1.65801169
•
34.0
37.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
6.4
0.0
0.0
17.7
0.0
0.0
4.9
Greek_Thessaly
0.24593960
•
4.1
22.0
2.8
7.9
8.2
38.0
0.0
0.0
10.7
6.3
0.0
0.0
Greek_Trabzon
13.47460341
•
95.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
4.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_West
0.59930825
•
0.0
24.4
1.7
0.0
0.0
40.4
0.0
0.0
14.7
0.0
18.8
0.0
Greek_West_Macedonia
0.27214967
•
9.7
20.8
2.8
0.0
24.1
37.6
0.0
0.0
5.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Western-Thrace
1.52893381
•
0.0
26.4
16.0
0.0
8.3
31.3
0.0
0.0
13.4
0.0
0.0
4.6
</tbody>
Lucas
01-15-2021, 11:33 PM
Log04
K36
Distance to: x
1.43847933 Macedonia_Skopje
1.51362999 GR_Western
1.53579825 Albanians_Montenegro
1.54535854 GR_Macedonia
1.54859443 GR_Thessaly
1.55279006 Albanians_FYROM
1.56074354 Macedonia_SC
1.59074804 Macedonia_SW
1.60572850 Albanian_Kosovo
1.62588567 Albanian_north
Distance: 11.2389% / 11.23886972
Target: x | ADC: 0.5x
36.0 Albanians_FYROM
33.5 Tirol
13.0 Macedonia_Skopje
6.8 Chechen
6.1 GR_Western
4.6 GR_Cyclades
DK12b
Components %
Gedrosia 6,41
Siberian 0,93
Northwest_African 0,09
Southeast_Asian 0,00
Atlantic_Med 31,12
North_European 28,35
South_Asian 0,17
East_African 0,44
Southwest_Asian 4,26
East_Asian 0,98
Caucasus 25,06
Sub_Saharan 2,19
Lucas
01-15-2021, 11:37 PM
Since you guys have a fetish for Eurogenes K13 on TA, I will use this calculator:
Log04 (Kit PJ5245899)
North_Atlantic 27.02 Pct
Baltic 17.23 Pct
West_Med 18.01 Pct
West_Asian 13.6 Pct
East_Med 18.4 Pct
Red_Sea 1.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_Asian 0.5 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Amerindian 2.35 Pct
Oceanian 0.3 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181369
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 8.349964
2 Bulgarian @ 9.142379
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% South_Italian @ 4.245197
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Irish +25% Romanian @ 3.226347
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Hungarian + Serbian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.765439
In my run for K13
North_Atlantic 27,52
Baltic 17,53
West_Med 17,84
West_Asian 13,91
East_Med 18,89
Red_Sea 1,17
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,76
Amerindian 2,17
Oceanian 0,21
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 0,00
x,27.52,17.53,17.84,13.91,18.89,1.17,0,0,0.76,2.17 ,0.21,0,0
Distance to: x
7.68193986 Bulgaria_Northeastern
8.26790557 Macedonia_south
8.36989247 MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
8.43228842 Macednia_north
8.60227877 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
8.65714156 Bulgaria_Southwestern
8.84903950 Albanian_Gheg
8.90594745 Bosniak_Sandzak
9.04565089 IT_Friuli-VG
9.06575424 Bulgaria_Southeastern
9.34036937 Bulgaria_average
9.35036898 Albanian
9.41130703 Romania_Oltenia
9.52162801 Montenegrin
9.54967015 Bulgaria_Southcentral
9.60226536 Romania_Wallachia
9.66592468 Romania_Muntenia
9.70147927 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
9.70187095 Torbesh_average
9.84836535 Bulgaria_Northcentral
9.85215712 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
9.88708880 Greek_Thessaly
9.89206753 Turk_Makedonya
9.91660224 Greek_West_Macedonia
9.92845909 Romania_Dobruja
Ion Basescul
01-15-2021, 11:37 PM
Since you guys have a fetish for Eurogenes K13 on TA, I will use this calculator:
Log02 (Kit ZK5342256)
North_Atlantic 25.42 Pct
Baltic 12.25 Pct
West_Med 24.46 Pct
West_Asian 9.54 Pct
East_Med 23.63 Pct
Red_Sea 2.29 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1 Pct
Oceanian 1.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181187
Is this one more accurate than Lucas'?
Greece_Greece_MBA_Log02,33.47,2.92,19.87,10.7,26.0 3,3.43,0,0,0,0.7,1.86,0,1.03
Ion Basescul
01-15-2021, 11:38 PM
In my run for K13
North_Atlantic 27,52
Baltic 17,53
West_Med 17,84
West_Asian 13,91
East_Med 18,89
Red_Sea 1,17
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,76
Amerindian 2,17
Oceanian 0,21
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 0,00
There are small discrepancies between GEDmatch and Admixture Studio, if you are using the latter. Nothing major
Abriekman
01-15-2021, 11:38 PM
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_EBA
Anatolia_MLBA
Bulgaria_Calcolithic
Bulgaria_EBA
Bulgaria_Thracian
Early_Slav
Greece_EBA_Kou01
Greece_EBA_Pta08
Greece_Greece_MBA_Log02
Greece_MBA_Mik15
Greece_Minoan
Greece_Mycenaean
Greek
0.10804496
•
2.1
30.2
3.6
7.7
9.8
37.2
0.0
0.0
6.6
0.0
2.8
0.0
Greek_Andros_Island
1.19004601
•
21.7
25.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
25.9
0.0
0.0
26.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Athens
0.20856811
•
7.2
31.4
3.7
5.1
16.4
29.0
0.0
0.0
5.3
0.0
0.0
1.9
Greek_Cappadocian
4.28241665
•
71.0
17.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
11.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
15.09855383
•
96.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central
0.24558358
•
23.5
17.4
2.5
5.3
2.0
30.6
0.0
0.0
10.3
0.0
0.0
8.4
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.25535862
•
0.0
27.2
5.8
5.9
8.9
41.2
3.4
0.0
1.3
0.0
0.9
5.4
Greek_Chios
0.36639398
•
37.5
29.5
0.0
0.0
6.2
16.4
0.0
0.0
7.5
0.0
0.0
2.9
Greek_Crete
0.49566705
•
19.2
36.4
0.0
0.1
0.0
22.8
0.0
0.0
9.0
0.0
0.0
12.5
Greek_Cyclades
0.48284877
•
20.6
22.3
1.5
1.5
0.0
23.4
0.0
0.0
26.2
0.0
0.0
4.5
Greek_Cypriot
2.49063659
•
72.5
10.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
5.8
0.0
1.6
0.0
10.1
0.0
0.0
Greek_Dodecanese
0.86733783
•
50.2
23.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
15.1
0.0
0.0
11.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.89536624
•
29.0
0.0
6.4
0.0
10.4
40.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
14.0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.76389106
•
0.4
30.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
45.4
0.0
23.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Ionia
0.29586396
•
9.6
37.0
2.7
5.5
5.0
25.5
0.0
0.0
12.8
1.9
0.0
0.0
Greek_Istanbul
2.64237390
•
30.7
19.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.9
0.0
0.0
9.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
0.56766322
•
9.1
45.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
41.4
0.0
0.0
3.7
0.0
0.0
0.5
Greek_North_Aegean
0.50969725
•
31.2
28.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
19.5
0.0
0.0
9.5
3.1
0.0
8.2
Greek_Northeast
0.28666648
•
13.3
18.1
3.7
4.6
15.7
38.1
0.0
0.0
5.6
0.0
0.0
0.9
Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.42595668
•
0.0
25.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
55.2
0.0
0.0
1.0
0.0
18.6
0.0
Greek_Peloponnese
0.29717246
•
7.9
24.1
0.0
5.7
0.0
35.3
0.0
0.0
11.9
2.9
0.5
11.7
Greek_Symi_Island
1.65801169
•
34.0
37.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
6.4
0.0
0.0
17.7
0.0
0.0
4.9
Greek_Thessaly
0.24593960
•
4.1
22.0
2.8
7.9
8.2
38.0
0.0
0.0
10.7
6.3
0.0
0.0
Greek_Trabzon
13.47460341
•
95.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
4.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_West
0.59930825
•
0.0
24.4
1.7
0.0
0.0
40.4
0.0
0.0
14.7
0.0
18.8
0.0
Greek_West_Macedonia
0.27214967
•
9.7
20.8
2.8
0.0
24.1
37.6
0.0
0.0
5.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Western-Thrace
1.52893381
•
0.0
26.4
16.0
0.0
8.3
31.3
0.0
0.0
13.4
0.0
0.0
4.6
</tbody>
It is a bit weird. Thracian Greeks on this seem to be 45-55% Slavic, while this Slavic admixture level is average in Bulgarians, should not it be much lower in Greeks?
Ajeje Brazorf
01-15-2021, 11:39 PM
Slavic input in modern day Greeks might be heavily overstated.
No, it isn't. These two people lived in 1900 BC, and I very much doubt that in northern Greece, on average, the population would have had this genetic profile in, say, 800 BC or perhaps during the time of Alexander the Great.
You use this higher quality sample I see? I just downloaded it, ok you were faster:)
I didn't upload it myself, so yes, I did very quickly.
Is this one more accurate than Lucas'?
The higher the SNPs on GEDmatch, the more accurate the results should be.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 11:40 PM
There are small discrepancies between GEDmatch and Admixture Studio, if you are using the latter. Nothing major
Yes I use AdmixtureStudio.
Lucas
01-15-2021, 11:42 PM
Is this one more accurate than Lucas'?
Greece_Greece_MBA_Log02,33.47,2.92,19.87,10.7,26.0 3,3.43,0,0,0,0.7,1.86,0,1.03
I used here smaller bam to be faster. Now I convert this bigger for Log02. Probably will be very similar.
Ion Basescul
01-15-2021, 11:42 PM
It is a bit weird. Thracian Greeks on this seem to be 45-55% Slavic, while this Slavic admixture level is average in Bulgarians, should not it be much lower in Greeks?
<tbody>
General Distribution of Population in Western Thrace (1912-1920)
Census/Estimate
Muslims
Pomaks
Bulgarians
Greeks
Others
Total
1912 estimate
120,000
-
40,000
60,000
4,000
224,000
1919 Bulgarian
79,539
17,369
87,941
28,647
10,922
224,418
1919 Bulgarian
77,726
20,309
81,457
32,553
8,435
220,480
1920 French
74,730
11,848
54,092
56,114
7,906
204,690
1920 Greek
93,273
-
25,677
74,416
6,038
201,404
</tbody>
+Bulgarians
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_EBA
Bulgaria_Calcolithic
Bulgaria_EBA
Bulgaria_Thracian
Early_Slav
Greece_EBA_Kou01
Greece_EBA_Pta08
Greece_Greece_MBA_Log02
Greece_MBA_Mik15
Greece_Minoan
Greece_Mycenaean
Bulgaria_average
0.45901911
•
22.6
0.0
9.3
0.0
57.6
0.0
0.0
0.7
0.0
5.8
4.0
Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.75356915
•
21.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
55.4
0.0
0.0
0.2
0.0
23.3
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.98839616
•
29.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
44.9
8.1
18.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.46126821
•
25.4
1.9
0.1
0.1
44.0
0.0
0.0
7.6
0.0
17.9
3.0
Greek_West
0.91650519
•
22.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
40.4
0.0
0.0
13.4
0.0
23.4
0.0
Greek
0.45514298
•
28.9
0.0
1.8
0.5
39.9
0.0
0.7
10.7
0.0
14.4
3.1
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.89128508
•
28.4
3.9
0.0
14.2
39.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
13.6
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
1.17602673
•
49.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
10.8
Greek_Northeast
0.44155854
•
29.8
2.9
1.2
10.3
39.8
0.0
2.3
7.2
0.0
4.8
1.7
Greek_Thessaly
0.46352705
•
23.2
0.0
4.5
0.0
39.7
0.0
6.3
11.4
5.2
1.6
8.1
Greek_Istanbul
2.88832910
•
50.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.5
0.0
0.0
10.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_West_Macedonia
0.51140919
•
30.3
1.7
0.0
14.4
38.0
0.0
0.0
8.6
0.0
6.9
0.1
Greek_Peloponnese
0.51049988
•
29.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
37.8
0.0
8.1
10.7
0.0
4.9
9.4
Greek_Central
0.41121831
•
38.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
32.8
0.0
3.3
11.2
0.0
4.3
10.0
Greek_Western-Thrace
1.91516292
•
22.0
10.5
0.0
0.0
30.9
0.0
0.0
17.8
0.0
9.0
9.8
Greek_Athens
0.49787572
•
36.3
2.5
1.8
7.5
30.8
0.0
0.1
8.1
1.5
5.3
6.1
Greek_Ionia
0.76793375
•
42.7
0.0
0.3
0.0
27.8
0.0
7.5
12.5
0.0
6.2
3.0
Greek_Andros_Island
1.35157201
•
41.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
25.5
0.0
0.0
27.4
5.6
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cyclades
0.70421042
•
42.7
0.0
0.6
0.0
23.8
0.0
0.0
21.5
0.0
0.0
11.4
Greek_Crete
0.66545145
•
52.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
23.6
0.0
10.5
9.4
0.0
4.0
0.1
Greek_North_Aegean
0.69040951
•
49.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
19.5
0.0
4.7
8.4
3.0
0.0
14.5
Greek_Chios
0.81359651
•
65.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
16.9
0.0
0.0
2.4
0.0
0.0
15.0
Greek_Dodecanese
0.97990461
•
62.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
14.6
0.0
5.3
16.4
0.0
0.0
0.8
Greek_Cappadocian
4.39086982
•
88.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
11.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cypriot
2.54346801
•
76.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
6.5
0.0
16.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Symi_Island
1.81993297
•
52.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
5.9
0.0
0.0
22.3
7.0
0.0
12.4
Greek_Trabzon
13.47460341
•
95.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
4.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
15.09855383
•
96.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
</tbody>
No, it isn't. These two people lived in 1900 BC, and I very much doubt that in northern Greece, on average, the population would have had this genetic profile in, say, 800 BC or perhaps during the time of Alexander the Great.
We don't know how pre-Slavic Byzantine Greeks looked like, but there's no clear reason to doubt that these two samples aren't represantive for later Greeks. I'm confident we'll find more Steppe rich samples from mainlan Greece from this period and later on.
Ion Basescul
01-15-2021, 11:50 PM
Since you guys have a fetish for Eurogenes K13 on TA, I will use this calculator:
Kit ZK5342256
Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1. 21,0,0.18
Kit PJ5245899
With your high SNP coords; sorted in descending order by Greece_MBA (Log02 and Log04)
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_EBA
Bulgaria_Calcolithic
Bulgaria_EBA
Bulgaria_Thracian
Early_Slav
Greece_EBA
Greece_MBA
Greece_Minoan
Greece_Mycenaean
Greek_Andros_Island
2.62803651
•
33.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
8.2
0.0
46.3
0.0
12.0
Greek_Cyclades
0.92064725
•
33.7
0.0
0.0
13.1
10.9
0.0
41.7
0.0
0.6
Greek_Western-Thrace
1.58179692
•
19.7
19.3
0.0
0.0
14.5
0.0
41.1
5.4
0.0
Greek_Thessaly
0.53262591
•
19.9
0.0
0.0
9.2
34.9
0.0
30.4
0.0
5.6
Greek_Istanbul
2.62085867
•
45.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
26.9
0.0
28.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Dodecanese
1.23665537
•
58.1
0.0
0.0
8.8
9.1
0.0
24.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central
0.44479538
•
36.2
0.0
1.1
0.0
27.1
0.0
22.2
0.0
13.4
Greek_Peloponnese
0.55505402
•
28.8
0.0
1.5
0.0
33.8
1.1
19.2
0.1
15.5
Greek_Symi_Island
2.36093435
•
45.2
0.0
0.0
2.0
0.0
0.0
18.9
0.0
33.9
Greek_Northeast
0.37485523
•
26.1
0.0
1.0
14.2
33.4
3.8
18.7
2.8
0.0
Greek_Crete
0.70779201
•
53.4
0.0
0.7
0.0
21.2
0.0
17.9
0.0
6.8
Greek_Ionia
0.79143756
•
41.3
0.0
2.4
6.4
22.5
0.1
17.7
0.0
9.6
Greek_West_Macedonia
0.43887840
•
27.3
2.7
0.0
19.3
31.8
0.8
15.7
2.4
0.0
Greek
0.48253371
•
26.0
0.0
1.8
6.9
34.9
1.6
14.4
7.6
6.8
Greek_West
1.10828236
•
20.7
0.3
0.0
0.0
35.0
0.0
12.9
14.3
16.8
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.40012067
•
23.0
2.4
3.2
1.8
38.1
3.6
11.5
13.6
2.8
Greek_Chios
0.75897987
•
63.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
12.7
0.0
9.7
0.0
14.1
Bulgaria_average
0.44890428
•
22.0
0.0
10.4
0.0
54.8
0.0
5.6
6.0
1.2
Greek_North_Aegean
0.80573416
•
47.6
0.0
0.0
15.4
18.4
0.0
3.4
0.0
15.2
Greek_Athens
0.49701491
•
35.2
3.0
6.4
13.6
27.5
0.0
3.2
0.6
10.5
Greek_Cappadocian
4.38752763
•
87.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
9.8
0.0
2.3
0.0
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
15.09855383
•
96.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cypriot
2.54346801
•
76.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
6.5
16.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.89388251
•
28.8
5.6
0.0
11.6
40.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
13.9
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.98839987
•
29.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
44.9
26.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
1.17214854
•
50.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
40.0
0.0
0.0
1.7
7.6
Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.75407455
•
21.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
55.5
0.0
0.0
23.4
0.0
Greek_Trabzon
13.47460341
•
95.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
4.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
</tbody>
Greece_Minoan:I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,8.26,0.00,36.65,8.59,41.54,4.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,9.32,0.00,36.96,7.70,41.32,4.45,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0073_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,8.10,0.00,39.75,7.43,44.19,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,7.12,0.00,38.22,7.49,43.48,3.08,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.60,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,13.38,0.00,35.43,8.11,38.53,4.55,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Greece_Mycenaean:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8 .75,3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.8 0,0.58,0.00,0.00
Greece_Mycenaean:I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_,10.52,2. 73,31.92,8.82,36.83,8.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.86, 0.00,0.30
Greece_Mycenaean:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69, 1.27,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0. 87,3.47,0.98
Greece_Mycenaean:I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp,2 0.11,0.00,30.28,9.34,35.01,3.56,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.0 0,0.00,0.30,0.00
Anatolia_EBA:MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,3.30, 0.00,18.98,26.27,42.49,7.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 35,0.01,1.06
Anatolia_EBA:MA2212_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,2.83, 0.00,27.28,20.95,39.52,8.68,0.00,0.41,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.33,0.00
Anatolia_EBA:MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,6.21, 0.00,22.22,24.88,38.23,8.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 13,0.00,0.17
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2423_Bulgaria_Late_C_6388_yb p,17.54,0.31,47.40,0.00,31.60,2.65,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.50,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2424_Bulgaria_Late_C_6304_yb p,18.23,2.21,41.94,0.00,33.80,3.82,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_yb p,26.87,0.00,40.70,0.00,32.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_yb p,14.26,1.69,42.89,0.00,36.95,4.21,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_yb p,25.03,0.00,38.98,0.00,30.42,5.57,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2431_Bulgaria_Middle_C_6615_ ybp,21.46,3.01,39.50,0.00,33.28,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp,17. 01,0.00,43.94,0.00,34.88,4.17,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp,17. 95,0.00,40.47,0.00,35.28,6.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_EBA:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16. 12,30.59,0.13,25.02,3.53,0.00,0.35,0.00,0.00,1.12, 0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_EBA:I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp,17.43,0.0 0,44.89,0.00,34.76,2.91,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00
Bulgaria_Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62 ,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54 ,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1.21,0,0.18
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6 ,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41. 8,6.29,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Pta08,9.49,0,35.59,5.30,43.7 2,5.89,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou01,1.93,0,38.2,7.85,47.38 ,2.78,0,0,0,0,0,0.84,1.20
Early_Slav:AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,1 1.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0.00,0.48,0.97,0.27,0.00, 0.17
Early_Slav:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_123 5_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0.00,0.00,2 .09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0.00
Lucas
01-15-2021, 11:57 PM
Log02 from bigger bam. Basically similar to Patrius above.
K13
Components %
North_Atlantic 25,49
Baltic 12,25
West_Med 24,76
West_Asian 9,51
East_Med 23,46
Red_Sea 2,35
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,92
Oceanian 1,19
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 0,07
Still central Italian like, similar to first estimation from smaller bam.
Distance to: x
3.06982084 IT_Romagna
3.27088673 Italian
3.30384624 IT_Tuscan
4.13431977 IT_Umbria
4.29220223 IT_Lazio
4.74059068 IT_Marche
5.01944220 IT_Emilia
6.01931890 France_Corsica
6.03935427 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.15017073 IT_Liguria
7.29082300 Torbesh_average
7.32687519 Albanian_Tosk
7.48776335 Albanian
7.81893215 Albanian_Gheg
8.15976103 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.40698668 Greek_Thessaly
8.75993151 Greek_West_Macedonia
8.77381331 IT_Lombardy
9.23696379 Greek_Northeast
9.31822945 IT_Veneto
9.52567583 Greek_West
9.62247889 Greek
9.92725037 Greek_Central_Macedonia
10.08221702 Greek_Peloponnese
10.15662345 IT_Piedmont
But there is bigger difference in K36!
Distance to: x
0.95493613 Albanian_north
0.97031393 GR_Thessaly
0.98032612 IT_Marche
1.00372707 Albanian_south
1.00538090 Albanians_FYROM
1.01121997 IT_Toscania
1.02440568 Albanian_Kosovo
1.03614642 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.05186922 Albanians_Montenegro
1.09840204 IT_Lombardia
Abriekman
01-16-2021, 12:03 AM
<tbody>
General Distribution of Population in Western Thrace (1912-1920)
Census/Estimate
Muslims
Pomaks
Bulgarians
Greeks
Others
Total
1912 estimate
120,000
-
40,000
60,000
4,000
224,000
1919 Bulgarian
79,539
17,369
87,941
28,647
10,922
224,418
1919 Bulgarian
77,726
20,309
81,457
32,553
8,435
220,480
1920 French
74,730
11,848
54,092
56,114
7,906
204,690
1920 Greek
93,273
-
25,677
74,416
6,038
201,404
</tbody>
+Bulgarians
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_EBA
Bulgaria_Calcolithic
Bulgaria_EBA
Bulgaria_Thracian
Early_Slav
Greece_EBA_Kou01
Greece_EBA_Pta08
Greece_Greece_MBA_Log02
Greece_MBA_Mik15
Greece_Minoan
Greece_Mycenaean
Bulgaria_average
0.45901911
•
22.6
0.0
9.3
0.0
57.6
0.0
0.0
0.7
0.0
5.8
4.0
Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.75356915
•
21.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
55.4
0.0
0.0
0.2
0.0
23.3
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.98839616
•
29.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
44.9
8.1
18.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.46126821
•
25.4
1.9
0.1
0.1
44.0
0.0
0.0
7.6
0.0
17.9
3.0
Greek_West
0.91650519
•
22.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
40.4
0.0
0.0
13.4
0.0
23.4
0.0
Greek
0.45514298
•
28.9
0.0
1.8
0.5
39.9
0.0
0.7
10.7
0.0
14.4
3.1
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.89128508
•
28.4
3.9
0.0
14.2
39.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
13.6
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
1.17602673
•
49.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
10.8
Greek_Northeast
0.44155854
•
29.8
2.9
1.2
10.3
39.8
0.0
2.3
7.2
0.0
4.8
1.7
Greek_Thessaly
0.46352705
•
23.2
0.0
4.5
0.0
39.7
0.0
6.3
11.4
5.2
1.6
8.1
Greek_Istanbul
2.88832910
•
50.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.5
0.0
0.0
10.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_West_Macedonia
0.51140919
•
30.3
1.7
0.0
14.4
38.0
0.0
0.0
8.6
0.0
6.9
0.1
Greek_Peloponnese
0.51049988
•
29.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
37.8
0.0
8.1
10.7
0.0
4.9
9.4
Greek_Central
0.41121831
•
38.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
32.8
0.0
3.3
11.2
0.0
4.3
10.0
Greek_Western-Thrace
1.91516292
•
22.0
10.5
0.0
0.0
30.9
0.0
0.0
17.8
0.0
9.0
9.8
Greek_Athens
0.49787572
•
36.3
2.5
1.8
7.5
30.8
0.0
0.1
8.1
1.5
5.3
6.1
Greek_Ionia
0.76793375
•
42.7
0.0
0.3
0.0
27.8
0.0
7.5
12.5
0.0
6.2
3.0
Greek_Andros_Island
1.35157201
•
41.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
25.5
0.0
0.0
27.4
5.6
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cyclades
0.70421042
•
42.7
0.0
0.6
0.0
23.8
0.0
0.0
21.5
0.0
0.0
11.4
Greek_Crete
0.66545145
•
52.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
23.6
0.0
10.5
9.4
0.0
4.0
0.1
Greek_North_Aegean
0.69040951
•
49.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
19.5
0.0
4.7
8.4
3.0
0.0
14.5
Greek_Chios
0.81359651
•
65.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
16.9
0.0
0.0
2.4
0.0
0.0
15.0
Greek_Dodecanese
0.97990461
•
62.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
14.6
0.0
5.3
16.4
0.0
0.0
0.8
Greek_Cappadocian
4.39086982
•
88.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
11.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cypriot
2.54346801
•
76.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
6.5
0.0
16.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Symi_Island
1.81993297
•
52.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
5.9
0.0
0.0
22.3
7.0
0.0
12.4
Greek_Trabzon
13.47460341
•
95.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
4.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
15.09855383
•
96.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
</tbody>
I do not think it is accurate.
On G25 Ancient Bulgarians are about 43% Slavic, 3% Turkic and 54% Thracian + Ancient Anatolian
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:06 AM
I do not think it is accurate.
On G25 Ancient Bulgarians are about 43% Slavic, 3% Turkic and 54% PaleoBalkan + Ancient Anatolian
This model is not for Bulgarians. I've just added them since you asked.
Abriekman
01-16-2021, 12:07 AM
<tbody>
General Distribution of Population in Western Thrace (1912-1920)
Census/Estimate
Muslims
Pomaks
Bulgarians
Greeks
Others
Total
1912 estimate
120,000
-
40,000
60,000
4,000
224,000
1919 Bulgarian
79,539
17,369
87,941
28,647
10,922
224,418
1919 Bulgarian
77,726
20,309
81,457
32,553
8,435
220,480
1920 French
74,730
11,848
54,092
56,114
7,906
204,690
1920 Greek
93,273
-
25,677
74,416
6,038
201,404
</tbody>
+Bulgarians
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_EBA
Bulgaria_Calcolithic
Bulgaria_EBA
Bulgaria_Thracian
Early_Slav
Greece_EBA_Kou01
Greece_EBA_Pta08
Greece_Greece_MBA_Log02
Greece_MBA_Mik15
Greece_Minoan
Greece_Mycenaean
Bulgaria_average
0.45901911
•
22.6
0.0
9.3
0.0
57.6
0.0
0.0
0.7
0.0
5.8
4.0
Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.75356915
•
21.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
55.4
0.0
0.0
0.2
0.0
23.3
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.98839616
•
29.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
44.9
8.1
18.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.46126821
•
25.4
1.9
0.1
0.1
44.0
0.0
0.0
7.6
0.0
17.9
3.0
Greek_West
0.91650519
•
22.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
40.4
0.0
0.0
13.4
0.0
23.4
0.0
Greek
0.45514298
•
28.9
0.0
1.8
0.5
39.9
0.0
0.7
10.7
0.0
14.4
3.1
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.89128508
•
28.4
3.9
0.0
14.2
39.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
13.6
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
1.17602673
•
49.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
10.8
Greek_Northeast
0.44155854
•
29.8
2.9
1.2
10.3
39.8
0.0
2.3
7.2
0.0
4.8
1.7
Greek_Thessaly
0.46352705
•
23.2
0.0
4.5
0.0
39.7
0.0
6.3
11.4
5.2
1.6
8.1
Greek_Istanbul
2.88832910
•
50.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
39.5
0.0
0.0
10.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_West_Macedonia
0.51140919
•
30.3
1.7
0.0
14.4
38.0
0.0
0.0
8.6
0.0
6.9
0.1
Greek_Peloponnese
0.51049988
•
29.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
37.8
0.0
8.1
10.7
0.0
4.9
9.4
Greek_Central
0.41121831
•
38.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
32.8
0.0
3.3
11.2
0.0
4.3
10.0
Greek_Western-Thrace
1.91516292
•
22.0
10.5
0.0
0.0
30.9
0.0
0.0
17.8
0.0
9.0
9.8
Greek_Athens
0.49787572
•
36.3
2.5
1.8
7.5
30.8
0.0
0.1
8.1
1.5
5.3
6.1
Greek_Ionia
0.76793375
•
42.7
0.0
0.3
0.0
27.8
0.0
7.5
12.5
0.0
6.2
3.0
Greek_Andros_Island
1.35157201
•
41.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
25.5
0.0
0.0
27.4
5.6
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cyclades
0.70421042
•
42.7
0.0
0.6
0.0
23.8
0.0
0.0
21.5
0.0
0.0
11.4
Greek_Crete
0.66545145
•
52.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
23.6
0.0
10.5
9.4
0.0
4.0
0.1
Greek_North_Aegean
0.69040951
•
49.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
19.5
0.0
4.7
8.4
3.0
0.0
14.5
Greek_Chios
0.81359651
•
65.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
16.9
0.0
0.0
2.4
0.0
0.0
15.0
Greek_Dodecanese
0.97990461
•
62.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
14.6
0.0
5.3
16.4
0.0
0.0
0.8
Greek_Cappadocian
4.39086982
•
88.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
11.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cypriot
2.54346801
•
76.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
6.5
0.0
16.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Symi_Island
1.81993297
•
52.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
5.9
0.0
0.0
22.3
7.0
0.0
12.4
Greek_Trabzon
13.47460341
•
95.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
4.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
15.09855383
•
96.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
</tbody>
Also how can be Crete Greeks quarter Slavic? Absolute nonsense
Ajeje Brazorf
01-16-2021, 12:07 AM
Mystery solved: they were Albanians.
Distance to: Log04
6.07723621 Drawing_slim(albanian)
6.91659598 Vasil(north_macedonian)
Distance to: Log02
5.28307676 Pjeter_Pan(albanian)
5.42313562 Geni(albanian)
5.56157352 Corvo(Italian)
6.21516693 hithaeglir(greek)
6.55365547 Illyrian_warrior(albanian)
6.68531226 IceT(albanian)
6.91124446 Rafael_Passoni(White-Brazilian)
We don't know how pre-Slavic Byzantine Greeks looked like, but there's no clear reason to doubt that these two samples aren't represantive for later Greeks. I'm confident we'll find more Steppe rich samples from mainlan Greece from this period and later on.
Everything is possible... but how do we say that the local population likely had this genetic profile when the only thing we have at the moment are two samples that are ethnically heterogeneous with each other? How do we tell if they were outliers or were local? Or if maybe only one of them was? I personally have a clear reason to doubt.
Surely they will find other individuals with much more Steppe before and during the Mycenaean period (started in 1600 BC, 300 years after these two samples lived), but as time went by such outliers were diluted with the local population giving rise to something else. I2163 was nearly the same ages as Greece_MBA, but how can we say that Bulgaria looked like that during that period?
Distance to: I2163_Bulgaria_MLBA_3638_ybp
18.79234419 North_German
19.19785665 North-Swedish
19.79503221 Sweden_Svealand_East
Abriekman
01-16-2021, 12:08 AM
This model is not for Bulgarians. I've just added them since you asked.
This Early Slav is very Southern shifted and is not real pure Slavic in my opinion
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:08 AM
Taken from Pribislav
Pta08; 2849-2621 BC; Petras; Greece; Minoan_EBA; G2a2b-L30>CTS574>CTS2488>P303>pre-L140 (PF3337+, L140-) (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L140/)
Kou01; 2464-2349 BC; Koufonisi; Greece; Cycladic_EBA; J2a1a-L26>Z6064>Z6055>Z6057>Y7013>Y7010>Y13128>Z36834 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z36834/)
Kou03; 2832-2578 BC; Koufonisi; Greece; Cycladic_EBA; (female)
Mik15; 2890-2764 BC; Manika; Greece; Helladic_EBA; (female)
Log04; 2007-1915 BC; Logkas; Greece; Helladic_MBA; (female)
Log02; 1924-1831 BC; Logkas; Greece; Helladic_MBA; (female)
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:11 AM
This Early Slav is very Southern shifted and is not real pure Slavic in my opinion
I doubt Finnic boosted Slavs from Urals were mixing with proto-Greeks and Bulgarians. They were likely even more Southern, confirmed by word of mouth from the yet unreleased study on Bulgarian ancient DNA by the way. These are just the best that we've got.
Ajeje Brazorf
01-16-2021, 12:13 AM
Log02 from bigger bam. Basically similar to Patrius above.
K13
Components %
North_Atlantic 25,49
Baltic 12,25
West_Med 24,76
West_Asian 9,51
East_Med 23,46
Red_Sea 2,35
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,92
Oceanian 1,19
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 0,07
Still central Italian like, similar to first estimation from smaller bam.
Distance to: x
3.06982084 IT_Romagna
3.27088673 Italian
3.30384624 IT_Tuscan
4.13431977 IT_Umbria
4.29220223 IT_Lazio
4.74059068 IT_Marche
5.01944220 IT_Emilia
6.01931890 France_Corsica
6.03935427 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.15017073 IT_Liguria
7.29082300 Torbesh_average
7.32687519 Albanian_Tosk
7.48776335 Albanian
7.81893215 Albanian_Gheg
8.15976103 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.40698668 Greek_Thessaly
8.75993151 Greek_West_Macedonia
8.77381331 IT_Lombardy
9.23696379 Greek_Northeast
9.31822945 IT_Veneto
9.52567583 Greek_West
9.62247889 Greek
9.92725037 Greek_Central_Macedonia
10.08221702 Greek_Peloponnese
10.15662345 IT_Piedmont
But there is bigger difference in K36!
Distance to: x
0.95493613 Albanian_north
0.97031393 GR_Thessaly
0.98032612 IT_Marche
1.00372707 Albanian_south
1.00538090 Albanians_FYROM
1.01121997 IT_Toscania
1.02440568 Albanian_Kosovo
1.03614642 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.05186922 Albanians_Montenegro
1.09840204 IT_Lombardia
How many SNPs on Eurogenes K13?
Abriekman
01-16-2021, 12:14 AM
I doubt Finnic boosted Slavs from Urals were mixing with proto-Greeks and Bulgarians. They were likely even more Southern, confirmed by word of mouth from the yet unreleased study on Bulgarian ancient DNA by the way. These are just the best that we've got.
Do you believe Cretans are quarter Slavic? It is for sure inaccurate, do the same without Avar Szolad on G25 and compare with it
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:18 AM
Do you believe Cretans are quarter Slavic? It is for sure inaccurate, do the same without Avar Szolad on G25 and compare with it
They are literally 100km away from the mainland. Plenty of movement between there and mainland probably happens to this day. I doubt they remained isolated completely. This is their most populated island. Greek members should know the history better.
Lucas
01-16-2021, 12:20 AM
Kou03 (big bam) Cycladic-Koufonisi-EBA
K13
SNPs used for the calculation: 172979
SNPs in calculator: 182705
Genotype ratio: 94,68%
Components %
North_Atlantic 11,63
Baltic 0,00
West_Med 30,31
West_Asian 15,51
East_Med 38,16
Red_Sea 3,47
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,00
Oceanian 0,60
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 0,31
Kou03,11.63,0,30.31,15.51,38.16,3.47,0,0,0,0,0.6,0 ,0.31
Distance to: Kou03
10.46443501 Greek_Symi_Island
11.04838450 Algerian_Jewish
12.02086103 Italian_Jewish
12.83948208 IT_Calabria
12.99317513 Sephardic_Jewish
13.23161744 Greek_Dodecanese
13.74862175 Greek_Chios
14.04495639 Greek_North_Aegean
14.30644260 Moroccan_Jew
14.37239020 Greek_Cypriot
14.59525265 Tunisian_Jewish
14.91607522 Malta
15.06685435 Turk_Cypriot
15.21940866 Libyan_Jewish
15.22616170 Greek_Crete
15.50515076 IT_Campania
15.92317179 Sicily
16.45927398 IT_Apulia
17.25743028 IT_Molise
17.30736837 Moldova_Jewish
17.55569708 Ashkenazi
17.75183371 Greek_Ionia
17.98608351 Greek_Cyclades
18.03984202 IT_Abruzzo
18.16601497 IT_Basilicata
K36
Distance to: x
1.18333167 GR_Rhodos
1.27807342 GR_Ikaria
1.28280552 GR_Symi
1.31348375 GR_Kalymnos
1.34515256 GR_Chios
1.34811470 IT_Calabria
1.36197086 Sicily_Katania
1.38040583 German_Ashkenazy
1.38148557 IT_Campania
1.39054908 Cyprus_Greek
Mystery solved: they were Albanians.
Distance to: Log04
6.07723621 Drawing_slim(albanian)
6.91659598 Vasil(north_macedonian)
Distance to: Log02
5.28307676 Pjeter_Pan(albanian)
5.42313562 Geni(albanian)
5.56157352 Corvo(Italian)
6.21516693 hithaeglir(greek)
6.55365547 Illyrian_warrior(albanian)
6.68531226 IceT(albanian)
6.91124446 Rafael_Passoni(White-Brazilian)
Everything is possible... but how do we say that the local population likely had this genetic profile when the only thing we have at the moment are two samples that are ethnically heterogeneous with each other? How do we tell if they were outliers or were local? Or if maybe only one of them was? I personally have a clear reason to doubt.
Surely they will find other individuals with much more Steppe before and during the Mycenaean period (started in 1600 BC, 300 years after these two samples lived), but as time went by such outliers were diluted with the local population giving rise to something else. I2163 was nearly the same ages as Greece_MBA, but how can we say that Bulgaria looked like that during that period?
Distance to: I2163_Bulgaria_MLBA_3638_ybp
18.79234419 North_German
19.19785665 North-Swedish
19.79503221 Sweden_Svealand_East
We have a lower coverage Crete Armeni sample with roughly the same Steppe. You simply do not know if these were all outliers, or if the people around them generally had lower Steppe. From this period and onward up to the Slavic migration era the flow into Greece was mainly from the North.
Bulgaria has a different archeological history, and a much closer proximity to the Pontic Steppe. There's no shock at all that some pure Steppe samples would've been found in BA Bulgaria.
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:25 AM
From Michalis Moriopulos
rs16891982 (https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs16891982)
(C;C) - generally non-European, but if European, 7x more likely to have black hair
(C;G) - if European, 7x more likely to have black hair
(G;G) - Generally European; Light skin; Possibly an increased risk of melanoma
Pta08 Minoan (C;G)
Kou01 Cycladic (C;C)
Kou03 Cycladic (C;C)
Mik15 EBA Helladic (G;G)
Log02 MBA Helladic (C;C)
Log04 MBA Helladic (G;G)
rs12913832 (https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs12913832)
(A;A) - brown eye color, 80% of the time
(A;G) - brown eye color
(G;G) - blue eye color, 99% of the time
Pta08 Minoan (A;A)
Kou01 Cycladic (A;A)
Kou03 Cycladic (A;A)
Mik15 EBA Helladic (A;A)
Log02 MBA Helladic (A;A)
Log04 MBA Helladic (A;A)
Lucas
01-16-2021, 12:28 AM
Kou01 again from bigger bam (last file from me, other were already from bigger ones).
SNPs used for the calculation: 159739
SNPs in calculator: 182705
Genotype ratio: 87,43%
Components %
North_Atlantic 9,32
Baltic 0,00
West_Med 34,63
West_Asian 7,01
East_Med 45,16
Red_Sea 3,88
South_Asian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,00
Oceanian 0,00
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 0,00
Kou01,9.32,0,34.63,7.01,45.16,3.88,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Distance to: Kou01
16.19176643 Algerian_Jewish
17.37221345 Italian_Jewish
19.05658941 Moroccan_Jew
19.43704453 Tunisian_Jewish
19.70652937 Libyan_Jewish
19.86622007 Sephardic_Jewish
20.23696371 Greek_Symi_Island
21.27427320 Greek_Cypriot
21.80151830 IT_Calabria
22.52201146 Turk_Cypriot
22.86207340 Greek_Dodecanese
23.07222139 Ashkenazi
23.09889391 Moldova_Jewish
23.20857385 Greek_North_Aegean
23.23690599 Malta
23.85880760 Greek_Chios
24.09940456 Greek_Crete
24.38222098 Sicily
24.40497900 IT_Campania
24.97725766 Samaritan
25.07265842 IT_Apulia
25.52829802 IT_Molise
26.16213676 IT_Abruzzo
26.19731093 Greek_Ionia
26.47167354 Lebanese_Christian
K36
Distance to: x
2.14370684 GR_Symi
2.20046512 GR_Karpathos
2.22261927 GR_Ikaria
2.37289058 GR_Rhodos
2.37814985 IT_Calabria
2.45346947 Sicily_Katania
2.45381869 GR_Kalymnos
2.45865103 GR_Kos
2.45884467 Sicily_Ragusa
2.46253722 GR_Chios
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:30 AM
with updated Kou01
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_EBA
Bulgaria_Calcolithic
Bulgaria_EBA
Bulgaria_Thracian
Early_Slav
Greece_EBA
Greece_MBA
Greece_Minoan
Greece_Mycenaean
Greek_Andros_Island
2.62803651
•
33.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
8.2
0.0
46.3
0.0
12.0
Greek_Cyclades
0.92098487
•
33.5
0.0
0.0
12.8
11.0
0.0
41.1
0.0
1.6
Greek_Western-Thrace
1.58067338
•
19.4
19.3
0.0
0.0
14.7
1.2
40.6
4.8
0.0
Greek_Thessaly
0.53383553
•
19.9
0.0
0.0
8.8
34.8
0.0
30.8
0.0
5.7
Greek_Istanbul
2.62089273
•
45.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
27.2
0.0
27.5
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central
0.44660623
•
36.0
0.0
0.2
0.0
27.2
0.2
23.5
0.0
12.9
Greek_Dodecanese
1.23604137
•
58.1
0.0
0.0
9.7
9.3
0.0
22.9
0.0
0.0
Greek_West
1.07185842
•
21.1
4.9
0.0
0.0
31.4
12.9
21.9
7.7
0.1
Greek_Peloponnese
0.55475107
•
28.4
0.0
0.8
0.0
33.7
2.5
20.2
0.0
14.4
Greek_Symi_Island
2.36093435
•
45.2
0.0
0.0
2.0
0.0
0.0
18.9
0.0
33.9
Greek_Crete
0.70799681
•
53.4
0.0
0.2
0.0
21.3
0.0
18.8
0.0
6.3
Greek
0.46189862
•
23.7
1.0
0.0
3.8
34.6
15.7
17.9
1.0
2.3
Greek_Ionia
0.78195383
•
40.7
0.0
3.1
9.2
21.7
3.6
16.4
0.0
5.3
Greek_Northeast
0.34077804
•
25.8
0.0
1.6
13.9
33.5
9.3
15.9
0.0
0.0
Greek_West_Macedonia
0.41389357
•
26.3
1.9
0.0
18.4
31.3
6.5
15.6
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.38861959
•
21.5
1.3
0.8
0.0
38.8
10.5
13.0
9.8
4.3
Greek_Chios
0.73469736
•
61.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
12.8
7.2
10.3
0.0
8.0
Greek_Athens
0.49717742
•
31.9
0.2
5.2
17.5
27.0
6.6
4.9
0.0
6.7
Bulgaria_average
0.44486440
•
21.1
0.0
8.5
0.0
56.2
2.7
4.1
4.4
3.0
Greek_North_Aegean
0.80573416
•
47.6
0.0
0.0
15.4
18.4
0.0
3.4
0.0
15.2
Greek_Cappadocian
4.38756349
•
87.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
9.7
0.0
2.5
0.0
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
15.09855383
•
96.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cypriot
2.54346801
•
76.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
6.5
16.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.89699271
•
29.1
7.3
0.0
8.9
40.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
14.4
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.99230298
•
29.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
44.3
26.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
1.17125616
•
51.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
40.1
0.0
0.0
2.2
6.7
Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.75407455
•
21.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
55.5
0.0
0.0
23.4
0.0
Greek_Trabzon
13.47460341
•
95.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
4.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
</tbody>
Greece_Minoan:I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,8.26,0.00,36.65,8.59,41.54,4.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,9.32,0.00,36.96,7.70,41.32,4.45,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0073_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,8.10,0.00,39.75,7.43,44.19,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,7.12,0.00,38.22,7.49,43.48,3.08,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.60,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,13.38,0.00,35.43,8.11,38.53,4.55,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Greece_Mycenaean:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8 .75,3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.8 0,0.58,0.00,0.00
Greece_Mycenaean:I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_,10.52,2. 73,31.92,8.82,36.83,8.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.86, 0.00,0.30
Greece_Mycenaean:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69, 1.27,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0. 87,3.47,0.98
Greece_Mycenaean:I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp,2 0.11,0.00,30.28,9.34,35.01,3.56,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.0 0,0.00,0.30,0.00
Anatolia_EBA:MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,3.30, 0.00,18.98,26.27,42.49,7.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 35,0.01,1.06
Anatolia_EBA:MA2212_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,2.83, 0.00,27.28,20.95,39.52,8.68,0.00,0.41,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.33,0.00
Anatolia_EBA:MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,6.21, 0.00,22.22,24.88,38.23,8.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 13,0.00,0.17
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2423_Bulgaria_Late_C_6388_yb p,17.54,0.31,47.40,0.00,31.60,2.65,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.50,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2424_Bulgaria_Late_C_6304_yb p,18.23,2.21,41.94,0.00,33.80,3.82,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_yb p,26.87,0.00,40.70,0.00,32.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_yb p,14.26,1.69,42.89,0.00,36.95,4.21,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_yb p,25.03,0.00,38.98,0.00,30.42,5.57,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2431_Bulgaria_Middle_C_6615_ ybp,21.46,3.01,39.50,0.00,33.28,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp,17. 01,0.00,43.94,0.00,34.88,4.17,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp,17. 95,0.00,40.47,0.00,35.28,6.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_EBA:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16. 12,30.59,0.13,25.02,3.53,0.00,0.35,0.00,0.00,1.12, 0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_EBA:I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp,17.43,0.0 0,44.89,0.00,34.76,2.91,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00
Bulgaria_Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62 ,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54 ,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1.21,0,0.18
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6 ,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41. 8,6.29,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Pta08,9.49,0,35.59,5.30,43.7 2,5.89,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou01,9.32,0,34.63,7.01,45.1 6,3.88,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou03,11.63,0,30.31,15.51,38 .16,3.47,0,0,0,0,0.6,0,0.31
Early_Slav:AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,1 1.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0.00,0.48,0.97,0.27,0.00, 0.17
Early_Slav:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_123 5_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0.00,0.00,2 .09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0.00
Ajeje Brazorf
01-16-2021, 12:30 AM
We have a lower coverage Crete Armeni sample with roughly the same Steppe. You simply do not know if these were all outliers, or if the people around them generally had lower Steppe. From this period and onward up to the Slavic migration era the flow into Greece was mainly from the North.
Bulgaria has a different archeological history, and a much closer proximity to the Pontic Steppe. There's no shock at all that some pure Steppe samples would've been found in BA Bulgaria.
The point is, I'm not talking about specific individuals or outliers (because these matter little to me), but what the average population was like. And to at least try to establish how this was, we need several dozen samples as they did for the Eurasian steppes, not two or three as for Greece.
JohnnyP
01-16-2021, 12:31 AM
K15 PCA with Log4 and Log2 vs Macedonians, these two samples are from Thessaly geographycally part of ancient Macedonia,
https://i.ibb.co/LSbg1T2/PCA-Copy.jpg
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:31 AM
Kou01 again from bigger bam (last file from me, other were already from bigger ones).
Here they are if you want to add to K13 ancient
Greece_MBA_Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54,23.63,2.29 ,0,0,0,1,1.21,0,0.18
Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55, 0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13
Greece_MBA_Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41.8,6.29,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA_Pta08,9.49,0,35.59,5.30,43.72,5.89,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA_Kou01,9.32,0,34.63,7.01,45.16,3.88,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA_Kou03,11.63,0,30.31,15.51,38.16,3.47,0, 0,0,0,0.6,0,0.31
Ajeje Brazorf
01-16-2021, 12:32 AM
EUROGENES K13 MIXED MODE
Distance to: Log04
2.34801573 51.80% Greek_Istanbul + 48.20% Swiss_French
2.52492701 81.00% IT_Friuli-VG + 19.00% Kumyk
2.62664392 82.00% IT_Friuli-VG + 18.00% Kabardin
2.65156561 17.20% Adygei + 82.80% IT_Friuli-VG
2.66672669 83.40% IT_Friuli-VG + 16.60% North_Ossetian
2.68775962 17.80% Balkar + 82.20% IT_Friuli-VG
2.71887263 40.80% France_Central + 59.20% Greek_Istanbul
2.74505081 17.60% Chechen + 82.40% IT_Friuli-VG
2.78742494 42.00% France_north-east + 58.00% Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
2.78791313 17.00% Ingush + 83.00% IT_Friuli-VG
2.80953487 75.80% IT_Trentino + 24.20% Kumyk
2.85464516 35.40% France_north-west + 64.60% Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
2.86753934 77.80% Greek_West_Macedonia + 22.20% Irish_Connacht
2.89917617 82.80% IT_Friuli-VG + 17.20% Lezgin
2.94832542 49.20% Greek_Macedonia_Thrace + 50.80% Swiss_French
2.96311997 78.00% Greek_West_Macedonia + 22.00% Irish_Ulster
2.96445327 59.00% Greek_Istanbul + 41.00% Pennsylvania_Dutch
2.96655112 77.80% Greek_West_Macedonia + 22.20% Irish
2.97505775 77.80% Greek_West_Macedonia + 22.20% Irish_Munster
2.97578011 39.60% France_north-east + 60.40% Greek_Istanbul
2.98186455 54.60% Greek_Macedonia_Thrace + 45.40% Swiss_German2
2.98224456 57.20% Greek_Istanbul + 42.80% Swiss_German2
3.00550175 39.40% French + 60.60% Greek_Istanbul
3.00675868 56.40% Greek_Istanbul + 43.60% Swiss_German
3.01535860 77.40% Greek_West_Macedonia + 22.60% Irish_Leinster
Distance to: Log02
1.79183032 46.00% Greek_Athens + 54.00% IT_Lombardy
1.79295471 39.80% Greek_Ionia + 60.20% IT_Lombardy
1.92367410 61.40% Greek_Western-Thrace + 38.60% IT_Lombardy
1.92833801 45.00% Greek_Central + 55.00% IT_Lombardy
1.95173601 65.40% Greek_Athens + 34.60% Spanish_Valencia
1.95283706 46.60% Greek_Western-Thrace + 53.40% IT_Emilia
1.95694412 33.00% Greek_Crete + 67.00% IT_Lombardy
1.97395376 71.40% IT_Tuscan + 28.60% Torbesh_average
1.98617193 52.20% Greek_Western-Thrace + 47.80% IT_Liguria
2.00167389 42.80% Greek_Cyclades + 57.20% IT_Lombardy
2.01720777 23.00% Greek_West + 77.00% IT_Tuscan
2.02461617 22.20% Greek_Central_Macedonia + 77.80% IT_Tuscan
2.05592009 33.00% Greek_Western-Thrace + 67.00% IT_Tuscan
2.07747643 28.20% Albanian_Tosk + 71.80% IT_Tuscan
2.08789681 78.00% Greek_Western-Thrace + 22.00% Spanish_Valencia
2.09131862 31.60% Greek_Athens + 68.40% IT_Emilia
2.09295847 36.60% Greek_Athens + 63.40% IT_Liguria
2.11475129 16.40% Greek_Northern-Thrace + 83.60% IT_Tuscan
2.13339998 27.40% Albanian + 72.60% IT_Tuscan
2.14070848 76.60% Greek_Western-Thrace + 23.40% Spanish_Extremadura
2.14838925 81.60% Greek_Western-Thrace + 18.40% Spanish_Aragon
2.15896172 78.80% Greek_Western-Thrace + 21.20% Spanish
2.20423936 22.00% Greek + 78.00% IT_Tuscan
2.20633713 68.00% France_Corsica + 32.00% Turk_Makedonya
2.20845936 77.60% Greek_Western-Thrace + 22.40% Spanish_Andalucia
Lucas
01-16-2021, 12:32 AM
Here they are if you want to add to K13 ancient
Greece_MBA_Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54,23.63,2.29 ,0,0,0,1,1.21,0,0.18
Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55, 0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13
Greece_MBA_Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41.8,6.29,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA_Pta08,9.49,0,35.59,5.30,43.72,5.89,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA_Kou01,9.32,0,34.63,7.01,45.16,3.88,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA_Kou03,11.63,0,30.31,15.51,38.16,3.47,0, 0,0,0,0.6,0,0.31
Ofc, just added.
Ajeje Brazorf
01-16-2021, 12:42 AM
<colgroup><col style="width:48pt" width="64" span="10"> </colgroup><tbody>
TUR_Barcin_N
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
MAR_Taforalt
WHG
Dinka
Yoruba
Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03177082
53.8
45.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.4
0.2
Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.02767314
61.0
32.2
3.6
0.0
0.8
2.4
0.0
0.0
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.01901940
68.6
5.0
18.0
8.2
0.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.02515315
83.4
4.2
10.4
0.0
1.4
0.0
0.4
0.2
</tbody>
Scaled
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.108132,0.159438,-0.02225,-0.07106,0.013233,-0.032351,-0.00517,-0.006231,0.000409,0.045377,0.005359,0.015586,-0.022299,-0.002477,-0.024565,0.003713,0.026468,0.00076,0.007416,-0.006878,-0.008859,-0.001484,0.002218,-0.001084,-0.006227
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.108132,0.173656,-0.000754,-0.08721,0.03139,-0.031236,-0.00658,-0.006692,0.026793,0.064876,0.002761,0.008842,-0.019326,0.00234,-0.03108,-0.0179,0.008214,0.004561,0.00817,-0.016383,-0.009733,-0.000124,-0.001849,0.00735,-0.002515
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.117238,0.153345,0.01961,-0.019057,0.02739,-0.013945,-0.00235,-0.003461,0.003068,0.025878,-0.000162,0.005695,-0.015015,0.000275,-0.014251,-0.012596,-0.005476,0.00152,0.00264,-0.002126,-0.010357,0.000989,0.006286,-0.000602,-0.002754
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.117238,0.140143,0.027907,-0.001292,0.01908,-0.000837,-0.00611,-0.002308,-0.007158,0.008565,0.003735,0.015137,-0.01219,0.001514,-0.003664,-0.010342,-0.004042,-0.002407,0.009553,-0.014007,-0.011605,0.003462,0.004067,0.007109,-0.00491
Raw
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.0095,0.0157,-0.0059,-0.022,0.0043,-0.0116,-0.0022,-0.0027,0.0002,0.0249,0.0033,0.0104,-0.015,-0.0018,-0.0181,0.0028,0.0203,0.0006,0.0059,-0.0055,-0.0071,-0.0012,0.0018,-0.0009,-0.0052
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.0095,0.0171,-0.0002,-0.027,0.0102,-0.0112,-0.0028,-0.0029,0.0131,0.0356,0.0017,0.0059,-0.013,0.0017,-0.0229,-0.0135,0.0063,0.0036,0.0065,-0.0131,-0.0078,-0.0001,-0.0015,0.0061,-0.0021
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.0103,0.0151,0.0052,-0.0059,0.0089,-0.005,-0.001,-0.0015,0.0015,0.0142,-0.0001,0.0038,-0.0101,0.0002,-0.0105,-0.0095,-0.0042,0.0012,0.0021,-0.0017,-0.0083,0.0008,0.0051,-0.0005,-0.0023
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.0103,0.0138,0.0074,-0.0004,0.0062,-0.0003,-0.0026,-0.001,-0.0035,0.0047,0.0023,0.0101,-0.0082,0.0011,-0.0027,-0.0078,-0.0031,-0.0019,0.0076,-0.0112,-0.0093,0.0028,0.0033,0.0059,-0.0041
Ajeje Brazorf
01-16-2021, 12:47 AM
AVERAGES
Distance to: Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03327750 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.03533605 Greek_Thessaly
0.03745346 Gagauz
0.03778287 Greek_Macedonia
0.03797783 Italian_Northeast
0.03852152 Scythian_MDA
0.03881694 Albanian
0.03883212 Italian_Piedmont
0.03909755 Bulgarian
0.03948434 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03986721 Romanian
0.04068575 Macedonian
0.04069586 Swiss_Italian
0.04078406 Italian_Veneto
0.04081649 HRV_IA
0.04141950 Rumelia_East
0.04155838 Italian_Liguria
0.04218237 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04228890 Italian_Lombardy
0.04322381 Italian_Bergamo
0.04355271 Italian_Tuscany
0.04411348 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04447137 HRV_EBA
0.04545280 French_Provence
0.04654212 Montenegrin
Distance to: Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.02523331 Greek_Thessaly
0.02642431 Italian_Tuscany
0.02680568 Italian_Piedmont
0.02711457 Italian_Lombardy
0.02791138 Italian_Marche
0.02845305 Italian_Liguria
0.02887383 ITA_Rome_MA
0.02943631 Albanian
0.03011735 French_Corsica
0.03019271 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.03039034 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
0.03103996 Italian_Umbria
0.03223088 Greek_Macedonia
0.03232640 Italian_Bergamo
0.03293943 HRV_EBA
0.03374879 Italian_Lazio
0.03375217 HRV_IA
0.03421376 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03432588 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03546127 Swiss_Italian
0.03594062 Italian_Veneto
0.03611853 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03661151 VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA
0.03699253 Italian_Molise
0.03773358 ITA_Etruscan
Distance to: Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.03070159 BGR_C
0.03180112 GRC_Peloponnese_N
0.03536837 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.03684823 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
0.04110275 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
0.04342554 TUR_Kumtepe_N
0.04389689 ITA_Sicily_MBA
0.04516070 ITA_Sicily_LBA
0.04570500 TUR_Barcin_N
0.04685879 BGR_N
0.04694502 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
0.04800086 BGR_Late_C
0.04815995 SRB_Starcevo_N
0.04856335 ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N
0.04903218 HUN_LBK_MN
0.05040723 DEU_LBK_SCH
0.05077722 HUN_Vinca_MN
0.05095261 SRB_N
0.05112780 GRC_Mycenaean
0.05172765 DEU_LBK_SMH
0.05238485 HRV_Starcevo_LN
0.05251023 TUR_Boncuklu_N
0.05299355 HUN_Koros_N
0.05382661 HRV_Sopot_MN
0.05409786 BGR_Middle_C
Distance to: Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.03093281 GRC_Mycenaean
0.03475077 BGR_Krepost_N
0.03891001 TUR_Isparta_EBA
0.04113215 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
0.04135331 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.04458415 Levant_Ashkelon_IA1
0.04640189 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
0.04651383 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi
0.04673313 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
0.04848820 TUR_Ovaoren_EBA
0.05179686 ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.05204134 Greek_Kos
0.05279699 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
0.05334603 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC
0.05385652 Greek_Dodecanese
0.05556814 BGR_IA
0.05557042 TUR_Barcin_C
0.05603647 TUR_Kumtepe_N
0.05680599 Italian_Calabria
0.05793988 GRC_Minoan_Odigitria_low_res
0.05804502 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.05856668 Italian_Campania
0.05885412 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.05971432 Romaniote_Jew
0.06045130 DEU_MA_o
INDIVIDUALS
Distance to: Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03172868 Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03327750 ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
0.03384360 Albanian:AL82
0.03491333 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL23
0.03530785 Albanian:AL9
0.03553768 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37
0.03572018 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.03579949 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.03585682 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.03586654 Italian_Northeast:ALP346
0.03595110 VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA:VK538
0.03704438 French_Provence:S_34
0.03709808 Moldovan:MOL-005
0.03710941 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03717031 French_Provence:S_5
0.03724887 Rumelia_East:642
0.03757672 Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.03768548 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.03774941 Romanian:G421
0.03780792 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.03782474 Macedonian:Macedonian8
0.03796279 Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.03828290 Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.03830365 Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.03847452 Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25098
Distance to: Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.02446511 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
0.02522703 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.02571915 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont136
0.02587756 Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.02616437 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1287
0.02652555 French_Corsica:CorsicaS13808
0.02654544 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont43
0.02707619 Italian_Umbria:PG04
0.02747721 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.02815719 Italian_Tuscany:MURLO114
0.02845305 Italian_Liguria:ALP099
0.02848476 Italian_Marche:MarACO060D
0.02856353 Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02887057 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL36
0.02909204 Italian_Lombardy:BGD31
0.02909677 Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.02913205 Italian_Marche:MarADG030D
0.02919403 French_Corsica:corsica29008
0.02932382 Italian_Marche:MarADC050D
0.02950119 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany38
0.02958588 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.02972694 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
0.02981771 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02995887 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43
0.03019271 ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
Distance to: Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.02736233 GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3709
0.03049016 BGR_C:I2519
0.03756169 BGR_C:I0781
0.03825933 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0073
0.03834322 GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3920
0.03929535 BGR_C:I2509
0.03965203 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0074
0.04018332 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0071
0.04118936 BGR_Late_C:I2427
0.04252846 TUR_Barcin_N:I0745
0.04280614 BGR_N:I2529
0.04320368 TUR_Barcin_N:I1103
0.04336630 ITA_Sicily_MBA:I4109
0.04342554 TUR_Kumtepe_N:kum6
0.04388178 GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3708
0.04455721 TUR_Barcin_N:I0746
0.04490639 SRB_N:I0634
0.04538063 GRC_Peloponnese_N:I2937
0.04614511 HUN_LBK_MN:I1904
0.04626510 TUR_Barcin_N:I1098
0.04638561 TUR_Barcin_N:I1099
0.04670655 BGR_N:I2521
0.04696464 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N:Tep006
0.04712957 ITA_Grotta_Continenza_N:RMPR8
0.04736870 BGR_Late_C:I2424
Distance to: Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.03475077 BGR_Krepost_N:I0679_d
0.03483310 GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
0.03535905 GRC_Peloponnese_N:I3920
0.03619306 TUR_Isparta_EBA:I2495
0.03627106 GRC_Mycenaean:I9006
0.03792847 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR43
0.03828994 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR44
0.03854600 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2203
0.03999886 Levant_Ashkelon_IA1:ASH068
0.04053604 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215
0.04135331 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC:CBT018
0.04170992 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0071
0.04303206 GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
0.04379136 TUR_Isparta_EBA:I2683
0.04533607 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR137
0.04614357 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR133
0.04627674 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39
0.04632106 GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I0070
0.04640189 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o:RMPR437b
0.04677482 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR81
0.04745006 Italian_Campania:NaN195ST
0.04755833 Greek_Kos:GreeceKos8
0.04756121 TUR_Ovaoren_EBA:MA2213
0.04772777 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR69
0.04825334 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR123
Lucas
01-16-2021, 12:47 AM
<colgroup><col style="width:48pt" width="64" span="10"> </colgroup><tbody>
TUR_Barcin_N
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
MAR_Taforalt
WHG
Dinka
Yoruba
Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03177082
53.8
45.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.4
0.2
Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.02767314
61.0
32.2
3.6
0.0
0.8
2.4
0.0
0.0
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.01901940
68.6
5.0
18.0
8.2
0.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.02515315
83.4
4.2
10.4
0.0
1.4
0.0
0.4
0.2
</tbody>
Scaled
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.108132,0.159438,-0.02225,-0.07106,0.013233,-0.032351,-0.00517,-0.006231,0.000409,0.045377,0.005359,0.015586,-0.022299,-0.002477,-0.024565,0.003713,0.026468,0.00076,0.007416,-0.006878,-0.008859,-0.001484,0.002218,-0.001084,-0.006227
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.108132,0.173656,-0.000754,-0.08721,0.03139,-0.031236,-0.00658,-0.006692,0.026793,0.064876,0.002761,0.008842,-0.019326,0.00234,-0.03108,-0.0179,0.008214,0.004561,0.00817,-0.016383,-0.009733,-0.000124,-0.001849,0.00735,-0.002515
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.117238,0.153345,0.01961,-0.019057,0.02739,-0.013945,-0.00235,-0.003461,0.003068,0.025878,-0.000162,0.005695,-0.015015,0.000275,-0.014251,-0.012596,-0.005476,0.00152,0.00264,-0.002126,-0.010357,0.000989,0.006286,-0.000602,-0.002754
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.117238,0.140143,0.027907,-0.001292,0.01908,-0.000837,-0.00611,-0.002308,-0.007158,0.008565,0.003735,0.015137,-0.01219,0.001514,-0.003664,-0.010342,-0.004042,-0.002407,0.009553,-0.014007,-0.011605,0.003462,0.004067,0.007109,-0.00491
Raw
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.0095,0.0157,-0.0059,-0.022,0.0043,-0.0116,-0.0022,-0.0027,0.0002,0.0249,0.0033,0.0104,-0.015,-0.0018,-0.0181,0.0028,0.0203,0.0006,0.0059,-0.0055,-0.0071,-0.0012,0.0018,-0.0009,-0.0052
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.0095,0.0171,-0.0002,-0.027,0.0102,-0.0112,-0.0028,-0.0029,0.0131,0.0356,0.0017,0.0059,-0.013,0.0017,-0.0229,-0.0135,0.0063,0.0036,0.0065,-0.0131,-0.0078,-0.0001,-0.0015,0.0061,-0.0021
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.0103,0.0151,0.0052,-0.0059,0.0089,-0.005,-0.001,-0.0015,0.0015,0.0142,-0.0001,0.0038,-0.0101,0.0002,-0.0105,-0.0095,-0.0042,0.0012,0.0021,-0.0017,-0.0083,0.0008,0.0051,-0.0005,-0.0023
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.0103,0.0138,0.0074,-0.0004,0.0062,-0.0003,-0.0026,-0.001,-0.0035,0.0047,0.0023,0.0101,-0.0082,0.0011,-0.0027,-0.0078,-0.0031,-0.0019,0.0076,-0.0112,-0.0093,0.0028,0.0033,0.0059,-0.0041
I sent him all in pretty good format. Should be all possible to convert to G25.
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:54 AM
Scaled
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.108132,0.159438,-0.02225,-0.07106,0.013233,-0.032351,-0.00517,-0.006231,0.000409,0.045377,0.005359,0.015586,-0.022299,-0.002477,-0.024565,0.003713,0.026468,0.00076,0.007416,-0.006878,-0.008859,-0.001484,0.002218,-0.001084,-0.006227
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.108132,0.173656,-0.000754,-0.08721,0.03139,-0.031236,-0.00658,-0.006692,0.026793,0.064876,0.002761,0.008842,-0.019326,0.00234,-0.03108,-0.0179,0.008214,0.004561,0.00817,-0.016383,-0.009733,-0.000124,-0.001849,0.00735,-0.002515
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.117238,0.153345,0.01961,-0.019057,0.02739,-0.013945,-0.00235,-0.003461,0.003068,0.025878,-0.000162,0.005695,-0.015015,0.000275,-0.014251,-0.012596,-0.005476,0.00152,0.00264,-0.002126,-0.010357,0.000989,0.006286,-0.000602,-0.002754
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.117238,0.140143,0.027907,-0.001292,0.01908,-0.000837,-0.00611,-0.002308,-0.007158,0.008565,0.003735,0.015137,-0.01219,0.001514,-0.003664,-0.010342,-0.004042,-0.002407,0.009553,-0.014007,-0.011605,0.003462,0.004067,0.007109,-0.00491
Log04 is "pure" Indo-European, with no Balto-Slavic ancestry (Baltic Hunter-gatherer) whatsoever.
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_Barcin_N
Baltic_LVA_HG
GEO_CHG
IberomaurusianMAR_Taforalt
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Levant_Natufian
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
Yamnaya_UKR
Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.02758443
•
52.8
0.0
19.0
0.0
14.8
5.8
0.0
7.6
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02586490
•
55.0
3.6
1.8
0.0
2.2
2.4
0.0
35.0
Greek_Crete
0.02211029
•
52.8
0.0
8.2
0.0
8.6
8.6
0.0
21.8
Greek_Dodecanese
0.02169472
•
55.0
0.0
9.6
0.0
12.6
8.6
0.0
14.2
Greek_Izmir
0.01921488
•
55.8
0.0
5.0
0.0
5.2
5.0
0.0
29.0
Greek_Kos
0.01902601
•
55.2
0.0
10.0
0.0
11.4
7.6
0.0
15.8
Greek_Laconia
0.02746384
•
55.6
1.0
3.4
0.0
3.0
7.6
0.0
29.4
Greek_Macedonia
0.03080990
•
55.0
3.6
3.0
0.0
2.6
2.0
0.0
33.8
Greek_Peloponnese
0.02437499
•
55.8
1.8
2.2
0.0
4.0
4.6
0.0
31.6
Greek_Thessaly
0.02427870
•
56.6
2.2
3.0
0.0
1.6
2.0
0.0
34.6
Greek_Trabzon
0.03152210
•
45.2
0.0
36.2
0.0
12.2
6.4
0.0
0.0
Bulgarian
0.03105742
•
50.8
8.0
0.8
0.0
1.8
0.2
0.0
38.4
Romanian
0.03072704
•
50.2
8.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.2
41.0
IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
0.03832856
•
43.4
11.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
2.8
42.0
Moldovan
0.03759900
•
44.8
10.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.4
0.6
43.4
Serbian
0.03803764
•
48.2
10.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
41.4
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.01856563
•
75.2
0.0
9.8
0.0
11.0
0.0
0.0
4.0
Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.02634131
•
87.2
0.0
2.0
1.8
3.4
0.0
0.0
5.6
Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.02958674
•
61.8
3.4
2.4
0.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
31.8
Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03073138
•
52.4
0.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
47.0
</tbody>
JohnnyP
01-16-2021, 12:58 AM
Distance to: Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03338522 Macedonian:Pelagonia1
0.03533605 Greek_Thessaly
0.03578505 Macedonian:East2
0.03745346 Gagauz
0.03778287 Greek_Macedonia
0.03797783 Italian_Northeast
0.03881694 Albanian
0.03883212 Italian_Piedmont
0.03909755 Bulgarian
0.03948434 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03986721 Romanian
0.03991323 Macedonian:Central
0.04069586 Swiss_Italian
0.04078406 Italian_Veneto
0.04141950 Rumelia_East
0.04155838 Italian_Liguria
0.04218237 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04228890 Italian_Lombardy
0.04322381 Italian_Bergamo
0.04355271 Italian_Tuscany
0.04426418 Macedonian:Northwest
0.04443579 Macedonian:Southeast
0.04545280 French_Provence
0.04654212 Montenegrin
0.04671440 Serbian
Target: Helladic_MBA:Log04
Distance: 2.8476% / 0.02847626 | R2P
88.6 Macedonian
11.4 Kaitag
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 12:58 AM
Log04 is "pure" Indo-European, with no Balto-Slavic ancestry (Baltic Hunter-gatherer) whatsoever.
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_Barcin_N
Baltic_LVA_HG
GEO_CHG
IberomaurusianMAR_Taforalt
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Levant_Natufian
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
Yamnaya_UKR
Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.02758443
•
52.8
0.0
19.0
0.0
14.8
5.8
0.0
7.6
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02586490
•
55.0
3.6
1.8
0.0
2.2
2.4
0.0
35.0
Greek_Crete
0.02211029
•
52.8
0.0
8.2
0.0
8.6
8.6
0.0
21.8
Greek_Dodecanese
0.02169472
•
55.0
0.0
9.6
0.0
12.6
8.6
0.0
14.2
Greek_Izmir
0.01921488
•
55.8
0.0
5.0
0.0
5.2
5.0
0.0
29.0
Greek_Kos
0.01902601
•
55.2
0.0
10.0
0.0
11.4
7.6
0.0
15.8
Greek_Laconia
0.02746384
•
55.6
1.0
3.4
0.0
3.0
7.6
0.0
29.4
Greek_Macedonia
0.03080990
•
55.0
3.6
3.0
0.0
2.6
2.0
0.0
33.8
Greek_Peloponnese
0.02437499
•
55.8
1.8
2.2
0.0
4.0
4.6
0.0
31.6
Greek_Thessaly
0.02427870
•
56.6
2.2
3.0
0.0
1.6
2.0
0.0
34.6
Greek_Trabzon
0.03152210
•
45.2
0.0
36.2
0.0
12.2
6.4
0.0
0.0
Bulgarian
0.03105742
•
50.8
8.0
0.8
0.0
1.8
0.2
0.0
38.4
Romanian
0.03072704
•
50.2
8.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.2
41.0
IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
0.03832856
•
43.4
11.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
2.8
42.0
Moldovan
0.03759900
•
44.8
10.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.4
0.6
43.4
Serbian
0.03803764
•
48.2
10.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
41.4
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.01856563
•
75.2
0.0
9.8
0.0
11.0
0.0
0.0
4.0
Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.02634131
•
87.2
0.0
2.0
1.8
3.4
0.0
0.0
5.6
Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.02958674
•
61.8
3.4
2.4
0.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
31.8
Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03073138
•
52.4
0.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
47.0
</tbody>
Target: Helladic_MBA:Log04
Distance: 2.4194% / 0.02419401
52.2 UKR_N_o
45.8 Yamnaya_UKR
1.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.8 GEO_CHG
0.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.0 IberomaurusianMAR_Taforalt
0.0 Indian
0.0 Levant_Natufian
0.0 Nganassan
0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.0 West_African
0.0 WHG
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 01:05 AM
INDIVIDUALS
Distance to: Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03172868 Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03327750 ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
0.03384360 Albanian:AL82
0.03491333 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL23
0.03530785 Albanian:AL9
0.03553768 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37
0.03572018 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.03579949 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.03585682 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.03586654 Italian_Northeast:ALP346
0.03595110 VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA:VK538
0.03704438 French_Provence:S_34
0.03709808 Moldovan:MOL-005
0.03710941 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03717031 French_Provence:S_5
0.03724887 Rumelia_East:642
0.03757672 Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.03768548 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.03774941 Romanian:G421
0.03780792 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.03782474 Macedonian:Macedonian8
0.03796279 Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.03828290 Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.03830365 Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.03847452 Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25098
:D no wonder they produce a lot of wine
Those with code "MOL" (10 samples) are from this locality (https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C4%83plani,_%C8%98tefan_Vod%C4%83), while the rest that start with "446" (32 samples) from this (https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C4%83l%C8%9Bi).
Ajeje Brazorf
01-16-2021, 01:11 AM
Log04 is "pure" Indo-European, with no Balto-Slavic ancestry (Baltic Hunter-gatherer) whatsoever.
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_Barcin_N
Baltic_LVA_HG
GEO_CHG
IberomaurusianMAR_Taforalt
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Levant_Natufian
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
Yamnaya_UKR
Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.02758443
•
52.8
0.0
19.0
0.0
14.8
5.8
0.0
7.6
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02586490
•
55.0
3.6
1.8
0.0
2.2
2.4
0.0
35.0
Greek_Crete
0.02211029
•
52.8
0.0
8.2
0.0
8.6
8.6
0.0
21.8
Greek_Dodecanese
0.02169472
•
55.0
0.0
9.6
0.0
12.6
8.6
0.0
14.2
Greek_Izmir
0.01921488
•
55.8
0.0
5.0
0.0
5.2
5.0
0.0
29.0
Greek_Kos
0.01902601
•
55.2
0.0
10.0
0.0
11.4
7.6
0.0
15.8
Greek_Laconia
0.02746384
•
55.6
1.0
3.4
0.0
3.0
7.6
0.0
29.4
Greek_Macedonia
0.03080990
•
55.0
3.6
3.0
0.0
2.6
2.0
0.0
33.8
Greek_Peloponnese
0.02437499
•
55.8
1.8
2.2
0.0
4.0
4.6
0.0
31.6
Greek_Thessaly
0.02427870
•
56.6
2.2
3.0
0.0
1.6
2.0
0.0
34.6
Greek_Trabzon
0.03152210
•
45.2
0.0
36.2
0.0
12.2
6.4
0.0
0.0
Bulgarian
0.03105742
•
50.8
8.0
0.8
0.0
1.8
0.2
0.0
38.4
Romanian
0.03072704
•
50.2
8.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.2
41.0
IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
0.03832856
•
43.4
11.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
2.8
42.0
Moldovan
0.03759900
•
44.8
10.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.4
0.6
43.4
Serbian
0.03803764
•
48.2
10.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
41.4
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
0.01856563
•
75.2
0.0
9.8
0.0
11.0
0.0
0.0
4.0
Helladic_EBA:Mik15
0.02634131
•
87.2
0.0
2.0
1.8
3.4
0.0
0.0
5.6
Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.02958674
•
61.8
3.4
2.4
0.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
31.8
Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03073138
•
52.4
0.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
47.0
</tbody>
Helladic_MBA:Log04
distance: 5.5474
55.8% EEF
19.8% ANE
18.8% CHG
5.4% WHG
0.2% IRAN
Helladic_MBA:Log02
distance: 4.4644
60% EEF
17.8% CHG
13.6% ANE
6% WHG
2.6% LEVANT
Arch Hades
01-16-2021, 01:47 AM
If they're modelled as 50% "Steppe MLBA" they're not Northern Europeans because Northern Europeans are like 80-100% "Steppe MLBA". "Steppe MLBA" genetically = Corded Ware/Sintashta, etc.
Really interested in seeing the data compared to various modern populations. I wonder why Eurogenes hasn't done a blog entry on these guys yet?
Arch Hades
01-16-2021, 02:00 AM
I was guessing it would be North Italian like, but it makes sense with how woggy EBA Greeks were.
I doubt the EBA samples were Greek speakers.
Tauromachos
01-16-2021, 03:08 AM
I doubt the EBA samples were Greek speakers.
The earliest version of Greek in written form dates back to the Mycanaeans.
The Mycanaeans were not 50% Steppe and belonged to what is called here EBA
Arch Hades
01-16-2021, 04:30 AM
The earliest version of Greek in written form dates back to the Mycanaeans.
The Mycanaeans were not 50% Steppe and belonged to what is called here EBA
Mycenaens were modelled in Lazaridis 2017 as 14% Steppe EMBA or 20% Steppe LMBA.
Tauromachos
01-16-2021, 07:35 AM
Mycenaens were modelled in Lazaridis 2017 as 14% Steppe EMBA or 20% Steppe LMBA.
Yes they were EBA plus 14% Steppe but not 50% like the MBA people in North Greece described here.
Lucas
01-16-2021, 08:57 AM
Yes they were EBA plus 14% Steppe but not 50% like the MBA people in North Greece described here.
If they could be some kind of proto-Ilyrians / proto-Thracians?
Lucas
01-16-2021, 09:06 AM
Davidski added to G25 all samples
Scaled
Cycladic_EBA:Kou01,0.113823,0.176702,-0.018479,-0.088179,0.02462,-0.039602,-0.00094,-0.007154,0.011249,0.053942,0.008119,0.013788,-0.017542,0.012799,-0.026601,-0.016574,0.004955,0.004561,0.01169,-0.016133,-0.007736,-0.002968,0.000123,0.00723,-0.000479
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.108132,0.159438,-0.02225,-0.07106,0.013233,-0.032351,-0.00517,-0.006231,0.000409,0.045377,0.005359,0.015586,-0.022299,-0.002477,-0.024565,0.003713,0.026468,0.00076,0.007416,-0.006878,-0.008859,-0.001484,0.002218,-0.001084,-0.006227
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.117238,0.153345,0.01961,-0.019057,0.02739,-0.013945,-0.00235,-0.003461,0.003068,0.025878,-0.000162,0.005695,-0.015015,0.000275,-0.014251,-0.012596,-0.005476,0.00152,0.00264,-0.002126,-0.010357,0.000989,0.006286,-0.000602,-0.002754
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.119514,0.141159,0.026776,-0.001292,0.01908,-0.001673,-0.00611,-0.002538,-0.007567,0.008018,0.003573,0.014687,-0.011744,0.001651,-0.003529,-0.011535,-0.004042,-0.002154,0.008799,-0.014632,-0.010606,0.004451,0.003451,0.005784,-0.005029
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.110408,0.176702,0.001131,-0.084949,0.030159,-0.031794,-0.002585,-0.004615,0.029042,0.065605,0.003085,0.009292,-0.019475,0.003716,-0.03013,-0.017502,0.008736,0.005194,0.009302,-0.017884,-0.009234,0.002349,-0.001849,0.006868,-0.004071
Minoan_EBA:Pta08,0.112685,0.168578,-0.018102,-0.089471,0.026774,-0.034861,0.00282,-0.003461,0.022702,0.057404,0.009256,0.008542,-0.018434,0.007569,-0.033251,-0.024529,0.000261,0.003421,0.009176,-0.009004,-0.008235,0.007543,-0.005053,-0.003253,0.002515
Raw
Cycladic_EBA:Kou01,0.01,0.0174,-0.0049,-0.0273,0.008,-0.0142,-0.0004,-0.0031,0.0055,0.0296,0.005,0.0092,-0.0118,0.0093,-0.0196,-0.0125,0.0038,0.0036,0.0093,-0.0129,-0.0062,-0.0024,0.0001,0.006,-0.0004
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.0095,0.0157,-0.0059,-0.022,0.0043,-0.0116,-0.0022,-0.0027,0.0002,0.0249,0.0033,0.0104,-0.015,-0.0018,-0.0181,0.0028,0.0203,0.0006,0.0059,-0.0055,-0.0071,-0.0012,0.0018,-0.0009,-0.0052
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.0103,0.0151,0.0052,-0.0059,0.0089,-0.005,-0.001,-0.0015,0.0015,0.0142,-0.0001,0.0038,-0.0101,0.0002,-0.0105,-0.0095,-0.0042,0.0012,0.0021,-0.0017,-0.0083,0.0008,0.0051,-0.0005,-0.0023
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.0105,0.0139,0.0071,-0.0004,0.0062,-0.0006,-0.0026,-0.0011,-0.0037,0.0044,0.0022,0.0098,-0.0079,0.0012,-0.0026,-0.0087,-0.0031,-0.0017,0.007,-0.0117,-0.0085,0.0036,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0042
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.0097,0.0174,0.0003,-0.0263,0.0098,-0.0114,-0.0011,-0.002,0.0142,0.036,0.0019,0.0062,-0.0131,0.0027,-0.0222,-0.0132,0.0067,0.0041,0.0074,-0.0143,-0.0074,0.0019,-0.0015,0.0057,-0.0034
Minoan_EBA:Pta08,0.0099,0.0166,-0.0048,-0.0277,0.0087,-0.0125,0.0012,-0.0015,0.0111,0.0315,0.0057,0.0057,-0.0124,0.0055,-0.0245,-0.0185,0.0002,0.0027,0.0073,-0.0072,-0.0066,0.0061,-0.0041,-0.0027,0.0021
Lucas
01-16-2021, 09:14 AM
Davidski added to G25 all samples
Scaled
Cycladic_EBA:Kou01,0.113823,0.176702,-0.018479,-0.088179,0.02462,-0.039602,-0.00094,-0.007154,0.011249,0.053942,0.008119,0.013788,-0.017542,0.012799,-0.026601,-0.016574,0.004955,0.004561,0.01169,-0.016133,-0.007736,-0.002968,0.000123,0.00723,-0.000479
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.108132,0.159438,-0.02225,-0.07106,0.013233,-0.032351,-0.00517,-0.006231,0.000409,0.045377,0.005359,0.015586,-0.022299,-0.002477,-0.024565,0.003713,0.026468,0.00076,0.007416,-0.006878,-0.008859,-0.001484,0.002218,-0.001084,-0.006227
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.117238,0.153345,0.01961,-0.019057,0.02739,-0.013945,-0.00235,-0.003461,0.003068,0.025878,-0.000162,0.005695,-0.015015,0.000275,-0.014251,-0.012596,-0.005476,0.00152,0.00264,-0.002126,-0.010357,0.000989,0.006286,-0.000602,-0.002754
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.119514,0.141159,0.026776,-0.001292,0.01908,-0.001673,-0.00611,-0.002538,-0.007567,0.008018,0.003573,0.014687,-0.011744,0.001651,-0.003529,-0.011535,-0.004042,-0.002154,0.008799,-0.014632,-0.010606,0.004451,0.003451,0.005784,-0.005029
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.110408,0.176702,0.001131,-0.084949,0.030159,-0.031794,-0.002585,-0.004615,0.029042,0.065605,0.003085,0.009292,-0.019475,0.003716,-0.03013,-0.017502,0.008736,0.005194,0.009302,-0.017884,-0.009234,0.002349,-0.001849,0.006868,-0.004071
Minoan_EBA:Pta08,0.112685,0.168578,-0.018102,-0.089471,0.026774,-0.034861,0.00282,-0.003461,0.022702,0.057404,0.009256,0.008542,-0.018434,0.007569,-0.033251,-0.024529,0.000261,0.003421,0.009176,-0.009004,-0.008235,0.007543,-0.005053,-0.003253,0.002515
Raw
Cycladic_EBA:Kou01,0.01,0.0174,-0.0049,-0.0273,0.008,-0.0142,-0.0004,-0.0031,0.0055,0.0296,0.005,0.0092,-0.0118,0.0093,-0.0196,-0.0125,0.0038,0.0036,0.0093,-0.0129,-0.0062,-0.0024,0.0001,0.006,-0.0004
Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.0095,0.0157,-0.0059,-0.022,0.0043,-0.0116,-0.0022,-0.0027,0.0002,0.0249,0.0033,0.0104,-0.015,-0.0018,-0.0181,0.0028,0.0203,0.0006,0.0059,-0.0055,-0.0071,-0.0012,0.0018,-0.0009,-0.0052
Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.0103,0.0151,0.0052,-0.0059,0.0089,-0.005,-0.001,-0.0015,0.0015,0.0142,-0.0001,0.0038,-0.0101,0.0002,-0.0105,-0.0095,-0.0042,0.0012,0.0021,-0.0017,-0.0083,0.0008,0.0051,-0.0005,-0.0023
Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.0105,0.0139,0.0071,-0.0004,0.0062,-0.0006,-0.0026,-0.0011,-0.0037,0.0044,0.0022,0.0098,-0.0079,0.0012,-0.0026,-0.0087,-0.0031,-0.0017,0.007,-0.0117,-0.0085,0.0036,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0042
Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.0097,0.0174,0.0003,-0.0263,0.0098,-0.0114,-0.0011,-0.002,0.0142,0.036,0.0019,0.0062,-0.0131,0.0027,-0.0222,-0.0132,0.0067,0.0041,0.0074,-0.0143,-0.0074,0.0019,-0.0015,0.0057,-0.0034
Minoan_EBA:Pta08,0.0099,0.0166,-0.0048,-0.0277,0.0087,-0.0125,0.0012,-0.0015,0.0111,0.0315,0.0057,0.0057,-0.0124,0.0055,-0.0245,-0.0185,0.0002,0.0027,0.0073,-0.0072,-0.0066,0.0061,-0.0041,-0.0027,0.0021
https://i.imgur.com/S4CrOYq.png
Abriekman
01-16-2021, 09:54 AM
They are literally 100km away from the mainland. Plenty of movement between there and mainland probably happens to this day. I doubt they remained isolated completely. This is their most populated island. Greek members should know the history better.
Then mainland Greeks are as Slavic as Bulgarians or even more lol
Arch Hades
01-16-2021, 04:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/S4CrOYq.png
Looks like pre Greek Aegeans were basically Jewoids while proto Greeks were like Northern Greeks.
Modern day Greeks both mainland and islanders need extra Levantine input in comparison to these Bronze Age samples. A simple threeway mix is all we need for mainlanders. Slavic admixture was overestimated when we used the Myceaneans as many of us suspecteed. According to Davidski, this higher Steppe types persisted into the Iron Age/Classical era.
Slavic here is Avar_Szolad_2
Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 1.4082% / 0.01408225
49.8 Helladic_MBA
31.2 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
19.0 Slavic
Target: Greek_Macedonia
Distance: 1.1393% / 0.01139303
51.0 Helladic_MBA
25.2 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
23.8 Slavic
Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.1318% / 0.01131767
69.6 Helladic_MBA
18.6 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
11.8 Slavic
Faklon
01-16-2021, 07:09 PM
So Northern Greeks turn like Northern Greeks or more specifically early Northern Greeks before mixing with Sourthern Greek civilizations turn like Northern Greeks and they evaluate as an Anatolian Neolithic-Steppe mix as it was obvious from ~2016 when the Anatolian Neolithic and Yamnaya samples came out.
Very interesting.
So much for Northern Greeks being wholly Slavovlachs. I remember Polako posting that ancient Greeks were Iberians and modern Greek clustering hails from a 3-way mix between Iberians, Turks and Udmurts.
Faklon
01-16-2021, 07:17 PM
Modern day Greeks both mainland and islanders need extra Levantine input in comparison to these Bronze Age samples. A simple threeway mix is all we need for mainlanders. Slavic admixture was overestimated when we used the Myceaneans as many of us suspecteed. According to Davidski, this higher Steppe types persisted into the Iron Age/Classical era.
Slavic here is Avar_Szolad_2
Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 1.4082% / 0.01408225
49.8 Helladic_MBA
31.2 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
19.0 Slavic
Target: Greek_Macedonia
Distance: 1.1393% / 0.01139303
51.0 Helladic_MBA
25.2 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
23.8 Slavic
Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.1318% / 0.01131767
69.6 Helladic_MBA
18.6 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
11.8 Slavic
They could just need extra Anatolian Neolithic/Minoan which is normal considering the density of Helladic civilizations.
Mycenaeans/Steppe settled North before all, the known Mycenaeans (Troy, etc) are a Minoan influenced civilization from Peloponnese.
The Northern Frontier of the Mycenaean World*
(http://www.aegeobalkanprehistory.net/index.php?p=article&id_art=11)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?163397-History-of-Thessaly
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 07:23 PM
So much for Northern Greeks being wholly Slavovlachs.
I wouldn't rule that out yet though. Those Greeks obviously mixed with locals who were very Southern, so the end result in a couple of centuries was way more Southern than that. Then Slavs and Vlachs pulled them back to MBA.
I wouldn't rule that out yet though. Those Greeks obviously mixed with locals who were very Southern, so the end result in a couple of centuries was way more Southern than that. Then Slavs and Vlachs pulled them back to MBA.
We have no way of knowing if that is even the truth until we get a greater size of LBA/IA Greeks. For all we know proto Greeks could've even been more northern and these two females have recent Greek/Southern Balkans farmer input. You're showing your biasedness when you seem so sure of something that is not even remotely proven.
Ion Basescul
01-16-2021, 07:33 PM
We have no way of knowing if that is even the truth until we get a greater size of LBA/IA Greeks. For all we know proto Greeks could've even been more northern and these two females have recent Greek/Southern Balkans farmer input. You're showing your biasedness when you seem so sure of something that is not even remotely proven.
Assyrian drama, I'll stay out of it
Assyrian drama, I'll stay out of it
Maybe you have a better insight into newcoming samples. David recently mentioned on his blog that this higher Steppe types persisted into the IA. But you seem sure that they must've mixed with more southern types for some reason.
Are these samples proto-Greeks?
Faklon
01-16-2021, 07:52 PM
Maybe you have a better insight into newcoming samples. David recently mentioned on his blog that this higher Steppe types persisted into the IA. But you seem sure that they must've mixed with more southern types for some reason.
David says the same shit for 10 years. If he had results, he would post them.
It makes sense historically, culturally and archaeologically that later influence comes from the South. Also proven by 2017 Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans where South Greek Myceneans, an IE Minoan-influenced civilization turns out South af.
https://i.ibb.co/74PK1GF/mycenaean.png
vbnetkhio
01-16-2021, 07:58 PM
The "northern" admixture in MBA Greeks isn't the same as Slavic admixture:
https://i.imgur.com/US2pRSj.png
the best source for their northern shift seem to be certain Polish Corded ware samples.
The "northern" admixture in MBA Greeks isn't the same as Slavic admixture:
https://i.imgur.com/US2pRSj.png
the best source for their northern shift seem to be certain Polish Corded ware samples.
Do modern Greeks have Slav admixture or not?
Lucas
01-16-2021, 09:28 PM
Interesting that Log04 in G25 is close to Macedonia and "A Logkas with a Helladic archaeological site is this one, near Elati in Western Macedonia".
Ajeje Brazorf
01-16-2021, 09:42 PM
https://i.imgur.com/aECOIfF.png
Tauromachos
01-16-2021, 10:24 PM
If they could be some kind of proto-Ilyrians / proto-Thracians?
Yes
Tauromachos
01-16-2021, 10:34 PM
Then mainland Greeks are as Slavic as Bulgarians or even more lol
Certainly not more than Bulgarians!
Tauromachos
01-16-2021, 10:40 PM
They are literally 100km away from the mainland. Plenty of movement between there and mainland probably happens to this day. I doubt they remained isolated completely. This is their most populated island. Greek members should know the history better.
Crete doesn't have much Slavic ancestry they don't even cluster with Albanians but with Sicilians and Calabrians
What you say about Crete not being isolated from Mainland Greece is true though
Abriekman
01-16-2021, 10:56 PM
Certainly not more than Bulgarians!
Bulgarians are 43% Slavic on average and what Ion Basescul showed us is that Mainland Greeks have 40-55% Slavic genetic, which is obviously inaccurate, but this would make some of them more Slavic,than majority of Bulgarians
Tauromachos
01-16-2021, 10:59 PM
Bulgarians are 43% Slavic on average and what Ion Basescul showed us is that Mainland Greeks have 40-55% Slavic genetic, which is obviously inaccurate, but this would make some of them more Slavic,than majority of Bulgarians
Yes it would :lol:
Ajeje Brazorf
01-17-2021, 12:11 AM
That Italian/Greek/Albanian and pseudo-Slavic profile is not entirely new in the Balkans...
Distance to: Scythian_UKR:scy009
0.03273887 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03346242 Polish
0.03600157 Czech
Distance to: Scythian_MDA:scy305
0.03149210 Greek_Thessaly
0.03221231 Albanian
0.03297776 Greek_Macedonia
Distance to: Scythian_MDA:scy300
0.03338930 Italian_Marche
0.03401693 Italian_Tuscany
0.03409884 Italian_Umbria
Distance to: Scythian_MDA:scy197
0.03508769 Italian_Piedmont
0.03581699 Italian_Lombardy
0.03589006 Albanian
Distance to: Scythian_MDA:scy192
0.03169307 Greek_Thessaly
0.03236805 Italian_Umbria
0.03310280 Albanian
Distance to: Scythian_HUN:DA198
0.03512905 Italian_Lombardy
0.03557075 French_Corsica
0.03578993 Italian_Piedmont
Distance to: Scythian_HUN:DA197
0.03088295 Slovenian
0.03146443 Croatian
0.03146927 Austrian
Distance to: Scythian_HUN:DA195
0.02784575 Romanian
0.02971606 Montenegrin
0.03159329 Macedonian
JohnnyP
01-17-2021, 02:38 AM
G25 Individually modern sample closest to Log4 is Macedonian from Southwest, i just put it to see from all individuals which one is closest. (It's not in Vahaduo Spreadsheet)
https://i.imgur.com/Q8zmq1T.png
bained
01-17-2021, 04:42 PM
Distance to: Aunt
5.52813712 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
6.09697466 Greece_MBA_Log04
6.94280203 STR310_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp
Distance to: BaiNed
7.58159614 SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary
7.67220307 SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp
7.67570192 Greece_MBA_Log04
WE WUZ NEVER SLAVS AND SHIT.
vbnetkhio
01-18-2021, 09:00 AM
Abstract: The Cycladic, the Minoan, and the Helladic (Mycenaean) cultures define the Bronze Age (BA) of Greece. Urbanism, complex social structures, craft and agricultural specialization, and the earliest forms of writing, characterize this iconic period. We sequenced six early to middle BA whole genomes, along with 11 mtDNA genomes, sampled from the three BA cultures of the Aegean Sea. The Early BA (EBA) genomes are homogeneous and derive most of their ancestry from Neolithic Aegeans, contrary to earlier hypotheses that the Neolithic-EBA cultural transition was due to massive population turn-over. EBA Aegeans were shaped by relatively small-scale migration from East of the Aegean, as evidenced by the Caucasus-related ancestry also detected in Anatolians. In contrast, Middle BA (MBA) individuals of northern Greece differ from EBA populations in showing ~50% Pontic-Caspian Steppe-related ancestry, dated at ca. 2,600-2,000 BCE. Such gene flow events during the MBA contributed towards shaping present-day Greek genomes.
https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/sra/?study=ERP121113
Greeks from Steppe_MLBA confirmed :coffee:
this is my take on these samples:
https://i.imgur.com/QNz5aof.png
in the Minoan and early Helladic period there were 2 clusters which coexisted for some time. One was still identical to Pelloponese_N, (yellow) and the other was more Kura Araxes shifted.(red)
oracle("Cycladic_EBA",mode="2way",k=100)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "76 % GRC_Peloponnese_N + 24 % Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan" "0.0135"
It seems the "Pelopponese_N" profile died out by 2000 BC, or maybe just rare outliers were like that.
Helladic-MBA invaders arrive around 2000 BC, and they mixed with the local population wich was mostly like Cycladic_EBA.
The resulting mixture were the "Myceanean" and "Empuries" samples (Green). These are the youngest ancient Greek samples we have.
oracle("GRC_Mycenaean",mode="2way",k=500)
[357,] "77.5 % Cycladic_EBA + 22.5 % Helladic_MBA" "0.0222"
Now let's try a model with these clusters, plus the major influences which came later: Levantine (from the Roman times) and Slavic.
I won't use the Myceaneans and Empuries, since they are just a mix of other 2 clusters which are already in the model (Cycladic_EBA and Helladic_MBA).
first with Peloponnese_N , just in case:
https://i.imgur.com/PioQ8Xc.png
it's unnecessary, this again confirms that EBA Greeks were mostly like Cycladic_EBA.
now without it:
https://i.imgur.com/tk3OLBh.png
Abriekman
01-18-2021, 09:13 AM
this is my take on these samples:
https://i.imgur.com/QNz5aof.png
in the Minoan and early Helladic period there were 2 clusters which coexisted for some time. One was still identical to Pelloponese_N, (yellow) and the other was more Kura Araxes shifted.(red)
oracle("Cycladic_EBA",mode="2way",k=100)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "76 % GRC_Peloponnese_N + 24 % Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan" "0.0135"
It seems the "Pelopponese_N" profile died out by 2000 BC, or maybe just rare outliers were like that.
Helladic-MBA invaders arrive around 2000 BC, and they mixed with the local population wich was mostly like Cycladic_EBA.
The resulting mixture were the "Myceanean" and "Empuries" samples (Green). These are the youngest ancient Greek samples we have.
oracle("GRC_Mycenaean",mode="2way",k=500)
[357,] "77.5 % Cycladic_EBA + 22.5 % Helladic_MBA" "0.0222"
Now let's try a model with these clusters, plus the major influences which came later: Levantine (from the Roman times) and Slavic.
I won't use the Myceaneans and Empuries, since they are just a mix of other 2 clusters which are already in the model (Cycladic_EBA and Helladic_MBA).
first with Peloponnese_N , just in case:
https://i.imgur.com/PioQ8Xc.png
it's unnecessary, this again confirms that EBA Greeks were mostly like Cycladic_EBA.
now without it:
https://i.imgur.com/tk3OLBh.png
Is not Slavic admixture overestimated here in your opinion?
vbnetkhio
01-18-2021, 09:24 AM
Is not Slavic admixture overestimated here in your opinion?
Probably. Helladic MBA also seems too high. Mycenaeans and Empuries have 3x more Cycladic_EBA than they have Helladic_MBA, and the modern samples all get less than that.
But it's a reasonable model and a small distance, so this is probably the best you can get from G25/nmonte
I'll try to check what qpAdm says.
vbnetkhio
01-18-2021, 10:40 AM
Is not Slavic admixture overestimated here in your opinion?
more realistic?
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44.585%)">21.3</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(213.205, 48.59%, 50.165%)">33.7</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.785, 35.43%, 41.705%)">14.9</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(214.465, 46.07%, 48.545%)">30.1</td></tr><tr data-rowid="7"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Peloponnese</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.00945162</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 0em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.095, 44.81%, 47.735%)">28.3</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(216.915, 41.17%, 45.395%)">23.1</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(217.79, 39.42%, 44.269999999999996%)">20.6</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.2, 44.6%, 47.6%)">28.0</td></tr><tr data-rowid="3"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Izmir</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01286867</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 2.182091033543225em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(217.545, 39.91%, 44.585%)">21.3</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(213.17, 48.66%, 50.21%)">33.8</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.375, 44.25%, 47.375%)">27.5</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(218.91, 37.18%, 42.83%)">17.4</td></tr><tr data-rowid="8"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Thessaly</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01018825</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 0.47040392093734157em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.645, 35.71%, 41.885%)">15.3</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(205.4, 64.2%, 60.2%)">56.0</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(220.695, 33.61%, 40.535%)">12.3</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.26, 36.480000000000004%, 42.38%)">16.4</td></tr><tr data-rowid="1"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Crete</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01226859</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 1.7988864601806396em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(221.185, 32.63%, 39.905%)">10.9</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(210.51, 53.98%, 53.629999999999995%)">41.4</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(210.895, 53.21%, 53.135000000000005%)">40.3</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(222.41, 30.18%, 38.33%)">7.4</td></tr><tr data-rowid="4"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Kos</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01572225</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 4.004356242275399em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.505, 35.99%, 42.065%)">15.7</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(211.98, 51.04%, 51.739999999999995%)">37.2</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(209.565, 55.870000000000005%, 54.845%)">44.1</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(223.95, 27.1%, 36.35%)">3.0</td></tr><tr data-rowid="2"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Dodecanese</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01696819</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 4.8em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.96, 35.08%, 41.48%)">14.4</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(210.79, 53.42%, 53.269999999999996%)">40.6</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(209.25, 56.5%, 55.25%)">45.0</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:#444455">0.0</td></tr><tr><td onclick="sortByRow(this, true)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Average</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01314941</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 2.3613685497507504em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" data-average="0.21122222222222223" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(217.60722222222222, 39.785555555555554%, 44.505%)">21.1</td><td data-columnid="3" data-average="0.33" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(213.45, 48.1%, 49.85%)">33.0</td><td data-columnid="4" data-average="0.27222222222222225" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.47222222222223, 44.05555555555556%, 47.25%)">27.2</td><td data-columnid="5" data-average="0.18655555555555553" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(218.47055555555556, 38.05888888888889%, 43.394999999999996%)">18.7</td></tr></tbody></table>
Abriekman
01-18-2021, 10:50 AM
more realistic?
<table><tbody><tr style="height:10.464484816853782em"><td data-columnid="0" class="multiheader"><div><span onclick="sortByColumn(this, false)">Target</span></div></td><td data-columnid="1" class="multiheader" colspan="2"><div><span onclick="sortByColumn(this)">Distance</span></div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multisources"><div><span onclick="sortByColumn(this)">Cycladic_EBA</span></div></td><td data-columnid="3" class="multisources"><div><span onclick="sortByColumn(this)">Helladic_MBA</span></div></td><td data-columnid="4" class="multisources"><div><span onclick="sortByColumn(this)">Levant_Beirut_ERoman</span></div></td><td data-columnid="5" class="multisources"><div><span onclick="sortByColumn(this)">RUS_Sunghir_MA</span></div></td></tr><tr data-rowid="0"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Central_Macedonia</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01213318</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 1.7124151042297215em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.9, 43.2%, 46.7%)">26.0</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(216.74, 41.519999999999996%, 45.62%)">23.6</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.61, 35.78%, 41.93%)">15.4</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(212.75, 49.5%, 50.75%)">35.0</td></tr><tr data-rowid="5"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Laconia</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01666913</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 4.609023530679552em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(212.085, 50.83%, 51.605000000000004%)">36.9</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(222.34, 30.32%, 38.42%)">7.6</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(216.285, 42.43%, 46.205%)">24.9</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(214.29, 46.42%, 48.769999999999996%)">30.6</td></tr><tr data-rowid="6"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Macedonia</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01207484</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 1.675159813585185em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(217.545, 39.91%, 44.585%)">21.3</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(213.205, 48.59%, 50.165%)">33.7</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.785, 35.43%, 41.705%)">14.9</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(214.465, 46.07%, 48.545%)">30.1</td></tr><tr data-rowid="7"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Peloponnese</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.00945162</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 0em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.095, 44.81%, 47.735%)">28.3</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(216.915, 41.17%, 45.395%)">23.1</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(217.79, 39.42%, 44.269999999999996%)">20.6</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.2, 44.6%, 47.6%)">28.0</td></tr><tr data-rowid="3"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Izmir</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01286867</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 2.182091033543225em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(217.545, 39.91%, 44.585%)">21.3</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(213.17, 48.66%, 50.21%)">33.8</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.375, 44.25%, 47.375%)">27.5</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(218.91, 37.18%, 42.83%)">17.4</td></tr><tr data-rowid="8"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Thessaly</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01018825</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 0.47040392093734157em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.645, 35.71%, 41.885%)">15.3</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(205.4, 64.2%, 60.2%)">56.0</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(220.695, 33.61%, 40.535%)">12.3</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.26, 36.480000000000004%, 42.38%)">16.4</td></tr><tr data-rowid="1"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Crete</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01226859</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 1.7988864601806396em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(221.185, 32.63%, 39.905%)">10.9</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(210.51, 53.98%, 53.629999999999995%)">41.4</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(210.895, 53.21%, 53.135000000000005%)">40.3</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(222.41, 30.18%, 38.33%)">7.4</td></tr><tr data-rowid="4"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Kos</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01572225</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 4.004356242275399em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.505, 35.99%, 42.065%)">15.7</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(211.98, 51.04%, 51.739999999999995%)">37.2</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(209.565, 55.870000000000005%, 54.845%)">44.1</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(223.95, 27.1%, 36.35%)">3.0</td></tr><tr data-rowid="2"><td onclick="sortByRow(this)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Greek_Dodecanese</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01696819</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 4.8em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(219.96, 35.08%, 41.48%)">14.4</td><td data-columnid="3" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(210.79, 53.42%, 53.269999999999996%)">40.6</td><td data-columnid="4" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(209.25, 56.5%, 55.25%)">45.0</td><td data-columnid="5" class="multiresult" style="background-color:#444455">0.0</td></tr><tr><td onclick="sortByRow(this, true)" data-columnid="0" class="multitargets">Average</td><td data-columnid="1" class="multidistance">0.01314941</td><td class="nonselectable multidistchart" style="background-image: linear-gradient(90deg, #777 42.35614249584584%, #999 42.35614249584584%, #999 46.35614249584584%, #777 46.35614249584584%);"><div style="padding-left: 2.3613685497507504em">•</div></td><td data-columnid="2" data-average="0.21122222222222223" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(217.60722222222222, 39.785555555555554%, 44.505%)">21.1</td><td data-columnid="3" data-average="0.33" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(213.45, 48.1%, 49.85%)">33.0</td><td data-columnid="4" data-average="0.27222222222222225" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(215.47222222222223, 44.05555555555556%, 47.25%)">27.2</td><td data-columnid="5" data-average="0.18655555555555553" class="multiresult" style="background-color:hsl(218.47055555555556, 38.05888888888889%, 43.394999999999996%)">18.7</td></tr></tbody></table>
Probably more realistic, but I can not understand what is wrong, it is too high still. Avar Szolad is the best for Slavic admixture. On previous models for Greeks how much Slavic do they have? It is related to new samples I think
vbnetkhio
01-18-2021, 10:55 AM
Probably more realistic, but I can not understand what is wrong, it is too high still. Avar Szolad is the best for Slavic admixture. On previous models for Greeks how much Slavic do they have? It is related to new samples I think
One of the Avaro-Slavs (AV1) could have a small amount Germanic ancestry, while Sunghir is purely Balto Slavic.
I think Mainland Greeks turned out around 30% Slavic in previous models too.
vbnetkhio
01-18-2021, 11:53 AM
So Northern Greeks turn like Northern Greeks or more specifically early Northern Greeks before mixing with Sourthern Greek civilizations turn like Northern Greeks and they evaluate as an Anatolian Neolithic-Steppe mix as it was obvious from ~2016 when the Anatolian Neolithic and Yamnaya samples came out.
Very interesting.
So much for Northern Greeks being wholly Slavovlachs. I remember Polako posting that ancient Greeks were Iberians and modern Greek clustering hails from a 3-way mix between Iberians, Turks and Udmurts.
the "distance" algorythm is much less sensitive to minor genetic differences than the "mixed mode" algorythms.
according to distances, Helladic MBA is identical to modern mainland Greeks and Albanians, but look at the mixed mode:
Helladic_MBA - gets only steppe populations for it's northern shift, and not a single Balto-Slavic one:
> oracle("Helladic_MBA",mode="2way",k=100)
[,2]
[1,] "57.3 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42.7 % RUS_Catacomb" "0.0138"
[2,] "82 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 18 % RUS_Khvalynsk_En" "0.0139"
[3,] "73.9 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 26.1 % KAZ_Dali_MLBA" "0.0144"
[4,] "72.6 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 27.4 % KAZ_Mys_MLBA" "0.0145"
[5,] "58 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42 % RUS_Afanasievo" "0.0149"
[6,] "72.5 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 27.5 % UZB_Kashkarchi_BA" "0.0149"
[7,] "71.7 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 28.3 % TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA" "0.0151"
[8,] "78 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 22 % RUS_Sintashta_MLBA_o2" "0.0151"
[9,] "70.9 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 29.1 % RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA" "0.0152"
[10,] "71.5 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 28.5 % KAZ_Shoendykol_MLBA_Fedorovo" "0.0154"
[11,] "75.1 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 24.9 % KAZ_Satan_MLBA_Alakul" "0.0157"
[12,] "64.6 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 35.4 % Scythian_UKR" "0.0157"
[13,] "73.3 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 26.7 % KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA1" "0.0158"
[14,] "72.8 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 27.2 % KAZ_Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA" "0.0159"
[15,] "71.3 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 28.7 % KAZ_Kyzlbulak_MLBA1" "0.016"
[16,] "71.4 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 28.6 % RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA" "0.0161"
[17,] "74.9 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 25.1 % RUS_Potapovka_MLBA" "0.0161"
[18,] "70.4 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 29.6 % KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA" "0.0162"
[19,] "79.2 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 20.8 % KAZ_Maitan_MLBA_Alakul_o" "0.0164"
[20,] "72.2 % HUN_MA_Szolad_o1 + 27.8 % KAZ_Zevakinskiy_BA" "0.0164"
mainland Greeks and Albanians - get only Balto-Slavs and Balto-Slavic admixed populations for their northern shift, and no steppe.
gr_macedonia
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "47 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 53 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0134"
[2,] "34.3 % DEU_Singen_EIA + 65.7 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0141"
[3,] "24.9 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 75.1 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0147"
[4,] "43 % IND_Roopkund_B_o + 57 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0149"
[5,] "78.5 % IND_Roopkund_B + 21.5 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.015"
[6,] "25 % Bell_Beaker_CZE_o + 75 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.015"
[7,] "46.6 % RUS_Sunghir_MA + 53.4 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0152"
[8,] "75.5 % IND_Roopkund_B + 24.5 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0155"
[9,] "61.8 % Scythian_HUN + 38.2 % TUR_Ikiztepe_LC" "0.0155"
[10,] "52.1 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC + 47.9 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.016"
[11,] "77.9 % IND_Roopkund_B + 22.1 % VK2020_POL_Cedynia_VA" "0.0162"
[12,] "52.9 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC + 47.1 % VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA" "0.0164"
[13,] "57.8 % TUR_Isparta_EBA + 42.2 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.0166"
[14,] "36.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 63.6 % ITA_Rome_Imperial" "0.0166"
[15,] "76.8 % IND_Roopkund_B + 23.2 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0167"
[16,] "49.7 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 50.3 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0167"
[17,] "77.4 % IND_Roopkund_B + 22.6 % VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA" "0.0167"
[18,] "63.8 % IND_Roopkund_B + 36.2 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0169"
[19,] "64 % ITA_Rome_Imperial + 36 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0169"
[20,] "79.1 % IND_Roopkund_B + 20.9 % VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA" "0.017"
gr_peloponnese
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "76.4 % IND_Roopkund_B + 23.6 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0127"
[2,] "21.4 % DEU_Singen_EIA + 78.6 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0131"
[3,] "52.8 % Scythian_HUN + 47.2 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0137"
[4,] "18.7 % HUN_LBA + 81.3 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0138"
[5,] "56.1 % Scythian_HUN + 43.9 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0143"
[6,] "14.9 % HUN_Mako_EBA + 85.1 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0143"
[7,] "15.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 84.9 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0144"
[8,] "15.1 % Bell_Beaker_CZE_o + 84.9 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0147"
[9,] "56.7 % Scythian_HUN + 43.3 % TUR_Arslantepe_LC" "0.0147"
[10,] "17.6 % CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany + 82.4 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0148"
[11,] "61.6 % ITA_Collegno_MA_o1 + 38.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0148"
[12,] "15 % DEU_Tollense_BA + 85 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0149"
[13,] "50.8 % IND_Roopkund_B_o + 49.2 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0149"
[14,] "87.1 % IND_Roopkund_B + 12.9 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.015"
[15,] "13.6 % DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA + 86.4 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.015"
[16,] "85.3 % IND_Roopkund_B + 14.7 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0151"
[17,] "60.6 % ITA_Rome_Imperial + 39.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0152"
[18,] "86 % IND_Roopkund_B + 14 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0153"
[19,] "86.4 % IND_Roopkund_B + 13.6 % VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA" "0.0154"
[20,] "58.2 % Scythian_HUN + 41.8 % TUR_Arslantepe_EBA" "0.0154"
Albanian
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "59.4 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 40.6 % VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA" "0.0144"
[2,] "52.9 % Cycladic_EBA + 47.1 % VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA" "0.0146"
[3,] "30.3 % Baltic_EST_IA + 69.7 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0149"
[4,] "63.7 % Cycladic_EBA + 36.3 % Baltic_EST_IA" "0.0151"
[5,] "54.9 % Cycladic_EBA + 45.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad" "0.0158"
[6,] "61.1 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 38.9 % UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine" "0.0159"
[7,] "59.8 % Cycladic_EBA + 40.2 % VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA" "0.0159"
[8,] "55.2 % Cycladic_EBA + 44.8 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0159"
[9,] "63.1 % Scythian_HUN + 36.9 % TUR_Ikiztepe_LC" "0.016"
[10,] "50.8 % Cycladic_EBA + 49.2 % CZE_Early_Slav" "0.016"
[11,] "30.9 % Baltic_EST_MA + 69.1 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0162"
[12,] "34.9 % DEU_Singen_EIA + 65.1 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0163"
[13,] "35.7 % DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA + 64.3 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0164"
[14,] "61.9 % IND_Roopkund_B + 38.1 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0164"
[15,] "64.3 % Scythian_HUN + 35.7 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0164"
[16,] "61.7 % Scythian_HUN + 38.3 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0164"
[17,] "63 % Cycladic_EBA + 37 % Baltic_EST_MA" "0.0166"
[18,] "49.6 % TUR_Buyukkaya_EC + 50.4 % VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA" "0.0166"
[19,] "55.4 % BGR_Krepost_N + 44.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad" "0.0166"
[20,] "56.6 % Cycladic_EBA + 43.4 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0166"
this is what gets picked by the algorythm from the full sheet, so there's no sample choice bias.
vbnetkhio
01-18-2021, 12:16 PM
Here are the same models from the previous post, but without certain samples:
for Helladic_MBA I excluded the Szolad outlier, because it's from a much later period and probably very mixed.
for modern Greeks and Albanians I excluded Roopkund B, because those are basically modern Greeks, so they already have Slavic admixture.
Helladic_MBA
[,2]
[1,] "57.3 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42.7 % RUS_Catacomb" "0.0138"
[2,] "58 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42 % RUS_Afanasievo" "0.0149"
[3,] "57.5 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42.5 % RUS_Poltavka" "0.0167"
[4,] "40.6 % BGR_C + 59.4 % Yamnaya_BGR" "0.0172"
[5,] "52.2 % Minoan_EBA:Pta08 + 47.8 % UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA" "0.0173"
[6,] "63.2 % BGR_C + 36.8 % RUS_Catacomb" "0.0174"
[7,] "56.3 % HRV_Cardial_N + 43.7 % RUS_Catacomb" "0.0177"
[8,] "57.3 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42.7 % Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia" "0.0177"
[9,] "59.7 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 40.3 % Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke" "0.0179"
[10,] "59.6 % HUN_Sopot_LN + 40.4 % RUS_Catacomb" "0.0179"
[11,] "59.1 % HUN_LBK_MN + 40.9 % RUS_Catacomb" "0.0179"
[12,] "49.4 % Minoan_EBA:Pta08 + 50.6 % SWE_Battle_Axe" "0.018"
[13,] "69.4 % ITA_Sicily_LBA + 30.6 % RUS_Catacomb" "0.0181"
[14,] "63.9 % BGR_C + 36.1 % RUS_Afanasievo" "0.0183"
[15,] "57 % HRV_Cardial_N + 43 % RUS_Afanasievo" "0.0183"
[16,] "41.3 % DEU_Unetice_EBA + 58.7 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0184"
[17,] "59.4 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 40.6 % SWE_Battle_Axe" "0.0184"
[18,] "57.9 % HUN_Starcevo_N + 42.1 % Yamnaya_RUS_Samara" "0.0185"
[19,] "69.9 % ITA_Sicily_LBA + 30.1 % RUS_Afanasievo" "0.0185"
[20,] "41 % DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN + 59 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0186"
gr_macedonia
[1,] "47 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 53 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0134"
[2,] "43 % IND_Roopkund_B_o + 57 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0149"
[3,] "46.6 % RUS_Sunghir_MA + 53.4 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0152"
[4,] "61.8 % Scythian_HUN + 38.2 % TUR_Ikiztepe_LC" "0.0155"
[5,] "52.1 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC + 47.9 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.016"
[6,] "52.9 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC + 47.1 % VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA" "0.0164"
[7,] "57.8 % TUR_Isparta_EBA + 42.2 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.0166"
[8,] "36.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 63.6 % ITA_Rome_Imperial" "0.0166"
[9,] "49.7 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 50.3 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0167"
[10,] "64 % ITA_Rome_Imperial + 36 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0169"
[11,] "54.9 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA + 45.1 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0171"
[12,] "55.7 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA + 44.3 % VK2020_POL_Bodzia_VA" "0.0172"
[13,] "44.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 55.4 % Levant_Ashkelon_IA1" "0.0175"
[14,] "57.7 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA + 42.3 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.0176"
[15,] "56 % TUR_Buyukkaya_EC + 44 % VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA" "0.0176"
[16,] "58.3 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 41.7 % VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA" "0.0177"
[17,] "52.9 % TUR_Buyukkaya_EC + 47.1 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0179"
[18,] "49 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 51 % TUR_Buyukkaya_EC" "0.0179"
[19,] "64.9 % ITA_Collegno_MA_o1 + 35.1 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.018"
[20,] "46.3 % DEU_Singen_EIA + 53.7 % ITA_Collegno_MA_o1" "0.018"
gr_peloponnese
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "52.8 % Scythian_HUN + 47.2 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0137"
[2,] "56.1 % Scythian_HUN + 43.9 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0143"
[3,] "56.7 % Scythian_HUN + 43.3 % TUR_Arslantepe_LC" "0.0147"
[4,] "61.6 % ITA_Collegno_MA_o1 + 38.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0148"
[5,] "50.8 % IND_Roopkund_B_o + 49.2 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0149"
[6,] "60.6 % ITA_Rome_Imperial + 39.4 % Scythian_HUN" "0.0152"
[7,] "58.2 % Scythian_HUN + 41.8 % TUR_Arslantepe_EBA" "0.0154"
[8,] "40.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 59.8 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0155"
[9,] "28 % HUN_Avar_Szolad + 72 % ITA_Rome_Imperial" "0.0158"
[10,] "37.6 % DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA + 62.4 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0161"
[11,] "25.8 % DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA + 74.2 % ITA_Rome_Imperial" "0.0162"
[12,] "72.3 % ITA_Rome_Imperial + 27.7 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0164"
[13,] "35.5 % DEU_Singen_EIA + 64.5 % ITA_Collegno_MA_o1" "0.0164"
[14,] "53.3 % Scythian_HUN + 46.7 % TUR_Ovaoren_EBA" "0.0167"
[15,] "64.2 % TUR_Isparta_EBA + 35.8 % VK2020_POL_Sandomierz_VA" "0.0172"
[16,] "28 % Bell_Beaker_CZE_o + 72 % ITA_Rome_Imperial" "0.0173"
[17,] "58.3 % Scythian_HUN + 41.7 % TUR_Alalakh_MLBA" "0.0173"
[18,] "39.8 % RUS_Sunghir_MA + 60.2 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0174"
[19,] "34.1 % Corded_Ware_Baltic_early + 65.9 % TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N" "0.0174"
[20,] "52.5 % Scythian_HUN + 47.5 % TUR_Isparta_EBA" "0.0175"
Albanian
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "59.4 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 40.6 % VK2020_UKR_Lutsk_MA" "0.0144"
[2,] "52.9 % Cycladic_EBA + 47.1 % VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA" "0.0146"
[3,] "30.3 % Baltic_EST_IA + 69.7 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0149"
[4,] "63.7 % Cycladic_EBA + 36.3 % Baltic_EST_IA" "0.0151"
[5,] "54.9 % Cycladic_EBA + 45.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad" "0.0158"
[6,] "61.1 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 38.9 % UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine" "0.0159"
[7,] "59.8 % Cycladic_EBA + 40.2 % VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA" "0.0159"
[8,] "55.2 % Cycladic_EBA + 44.8 % RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0159"
[9,] "63.1 % Scythian_HUN + 36.9 % TUR_Ikiztepe_LC" "0.016"
[10,] "50.8 % Cycladic_EBA + 49.2 % CZE_Early_Slav" "0.016"
[11,] "30.9 % Baltic_EST_MA + 69.1 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0162"
[12,] "35.7 % DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA + 64.3 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0164"
[13,] "64.3 % Scythian_HUN + 35.7 % TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC" "0.0164"
[14,] "61.7 % Scythian_HUN + 38.3 % TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA" "0.0164"
[15,] "63 % Cycladic_EBA + 37 % Baltic_EST_MA" "0.0166"
[16,] "49.6 % TUR_Buyukkaya_EC + 50.4 % VK2020_RUS_Gnezdovo_VA" "0.0166"
[17,] "55.4 % BGR_Krepost_N + 44.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad" "0.0166"
[18,] "56.6 % Cycladic_EBA + 43.4 % VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA" "0.0166"
[19,] "66.1 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 33.9 % VK2020_RUS_Pskov_VA" "0.0167"
[20,] "60.3 % BGR_Krepost_N + 39.7 % VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA" "0.0168"
These models don't make any sense. Do people actually believe that mainland Greeks are basically Near Eastern/Anatolian + Slavic mixes?
vbnetkhio
01-18-2021, 12:56 PM
These models don't make any sense. Do people actually believe that mainland Greeks are basically Near Eastern/Anatolian + Slavic mixes?
Bronze age west Anatolians and imperial Romans are pretty close to Mycenaeans, they just have a bit more Caucasian and Levantine shift.
Bronze age west Anatolians and imperial Romans are pretty close to Mycenaeans, they just have a bit more Caucasian and Levantine shift.
You didn't answer me, your model doesn't pick up anything from BA/IA Greece. It's straight up Slavic + Anatolian BA. It's fun and all, but it's not rooted in reality.
vbnetkhio
01-19-2021, 12:07 PM
You didn't answer me, your model doesn't pick up anything from BA/IA Greece. It's straight up Slavic + Anatolian BA. It's fun and all, but it's not rooted in reality.
It's not my model, it's just what the DodecadOracle algorithm picks from the full sheet. You can see my own models on page 11.
Anatolian BA is a proxy for early medieval Greeks here, it stands for a mix of ancient Greeks + Anatolian and Levantine.
planina
01-19-2021, 03:14 PM
Is it though? I'll read the paper later but would like to know forsure, but at most Greeks from Steppe confirmed.
The quote doesn't specify whether they modelled them with Yamnaya or Steppe_MLBA. Typically MLBA refers to CW, Sintashta, Andronovo, Srubnaya, Fatyanovo, etc, who actually clustered with modern Europeans while Yamnaya were basically just Caucasoid Tatars.
Greek, Albanian and Armenian are pretty different from other IE languages, so it would be interesting to see if they came from the same CW source or Yamnaya. It is a big difference.
Either way, the Greek language, Religion and Y-DNA is from a northern source, but all evidence points to the civilizational process still coming from the east/south with CHG and Levant_N related ancestry(including in Italy), not IE(nor locally born out of EEFs either), before anyone wants to suggest so.
It was already shown in the Genomic History of South Eastern Europe that the Indo European ancestry of Albanians came during the Bronze Age, 2000 years earlier than the rest of Europe. The R1b and J2b2 that was found in Croatia present half of the Albanian Y-DNA today. The R1b was found in Vucedol, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vu%C4%8Dedol_culture , the area believed to be a Proto-Illyrian culture. In the same area during the Iron Age formed the Glasinac Culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasinac-Mati_culture . It was shown that Albanians belonged to this Iron Age culture by Carleton Coon.
Those samples in the OP and others might cluster like Albanians but they are unlikely ancestors of Albanians since Albanian was never spoken in Greece but survived in the Roman period somewhere where Latin was spoken. Also some of these samples belong to typical Greek Y-DNA like J2a which is not common in Albanian. Most of the Thracians were Hellenized, the Bessi were partially Hellenized which rules them out too. Southern Albania was also under Hellenization. They might of been similar people as Albanians as in they belonged to the Thraco-Illyrian world but Albanian language did not develop in any of these areas most likely given it's high Latin influence.
Bulgarians are 43% Slavic on average and what Ion Basescul showed us is that Mainland Greeks have 40-55% Slavic genetic, which is obviously inaccurate, but this would make some of them more Slavic,than majority of Bulgarians
Lmao, this is bullshit.
planina
01-19-2021, 03:43 PM
The Kosovo and North Albania area belonged to the Glasinac culture too which confirms it was an Illyrian area and not Thracian like Serbian scholars claimed
In central Albania, the Glasinac-Mat culture is represented in the tumuli of Pazhok which appeared in the Late Bronze Age (c. 1300 BCE). Further to the south are the Late Bronze Age tumuli of Barç and the closely related early burials of Kuç and Zi, near present-day Korçë, which represent the southernmost extension of the Glasinac-Mati culture. The 9th-8th century fortifications of Symizë, Bellovodë, Bilisht, and Tren near the Small Prespa Lake, could also be related to them.[6] The Drin river valley to the north-east of Mat around Kukës and to the east up to present-day Debar is marked by burial sites which appear in the Late Bronze Age and are closely linked to the Mat valley sites. These sites in turn are related to the sites which developed in western Kosovo around the Prizren area such as the site of Romajë.[7]
Graves from the 6th and 5th centuries BCE in Romajë contain long iron bars which were placed in the tombs are a means of payment to the afterlife. They indicate that the tribe of the Dardani had developed a concept about the afterlife as shown later in other archaeological material like the votive monument of Smirë.[53] The weapons included double-edged axes (Labrys), which might have been used in a ritualistic manner related to sun worship which was prevalent in the northern Illyrian tribes
The territory of present-day Kosovo[a] which formed the core area of the Dardani has been inhabited since the [[Neolithic Europe|Neolithic] era]. Runik and Vlashnjë are two of the most significant sites in the Neolithic period. During the late 3rd millenium BCE, Proto-Indo-European tribes migrated and settled in the region alongside the existing Neolithic population. New practices in agriculture and cattle breeding appear in this period and new settlements formed in Kosovo.[a] Co-existence and intermingling of the Neolithic population and the PIE-speakers gave rise to the material culture which developed in the Bronze Age (2100-1100 BCE) in settlements including Vlashnjë, Korishë, Pogragjë, Bardhi i Madh and Topanicë. In the Iron Age habitation further developed with the emergence of the Glasinac-Mat culture, an Illyrian material culture which developed in the Iron Age western Balkans.[21] The Dardani - as they became known in classical antiquity - were one of the particular groups of the Glasinac-Mat culture.[22] Archaeological research in the territory of Dardania greatly expanded since 2000. In contemporary research, a periodization of four phases of development of pre-Roman Dardania is being utilized: 1)11th-9th century BCE, a transitory period between the Bronze and the Iron Age 2)8th-7th century BCE, Iron Age I phase 3)6th-4th century BCE, Iron Age II phase, during which contacts with the Mediterranean and imports from Greece increase 4)4th-1st century BCE, Hellenistic period.[23]
Tauromachos
01-20-2021, 03:08 AM
Lmao, this is bullshit.
Why you thumbed me down :confused:
ninjaboy
05-03-2021, 06:43 PM
Wouldn't they plot more north in such case? I'm not sure, just asking. Maybe we should wait for Lucas to run other samples.
When going by f3 the sample Log04 is closest to Scots and Lithuanians, and Log02 closest to Basques and Pais Vasco.
ninjaboy
05-03-2021, 07:16 PM
You're forgetting about the other 50% lol. No extra WHG, and their other stuff wouldn't be solely EEF either, but a lot of extra post-neolithic MENA.
N. Europeans are basically 70% Steppe_MLBA, 80-85%+ Bell Beaker, 50% Steppe/Yamnaya, Steppe_MLBA still plots south(and still east) of N. Europeans.
Either way, we still have no idea if the model is using Yamnaya or Steppe_MLBA, Steppe_MLBA are Token's words only.
we found the Log04 individual [Greece MBA, 2000 BC] to be consistent with a 2-way admixture model of Anatolia Neolithic (∼ 38%) and Middle/Late Bronze Age Steppe (∼ 62%).
supplement, p.37
JQP4545
05-03-2021, 07:59 PM
Since you guys have a fetish for Eurogenes K13 on TA, I will use this calculator:
Kit ZK5342256
Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1. 21,0,0.18
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181187
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 3.953238
2 North_Italian @ 8.178178
3 West_Sicilian @ 9.017677
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.200360
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.669216
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% North_Italian @ 3.111231
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% South_Italian +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.522895
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 1.972852
Kit PJ5245899
Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0. 83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13
SNPs used in this evaluation: 181369
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 8.349964
2 Bulgarian @ 9.142379
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% South_Italian @ 4.245197
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +25% Irish +25% Romanian @ 3.226347
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Hungarian + Serbian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.765439
Where are these samples from?
wvwvw
05-11-2021, 01:50 AM
I doubt the EBA samples were Greek speakers.
Proto-Greek derives largely from the previous Neolithic language that was spoken in Greece. (Especially all the terms pertraining to agriculture etc.) and to a much smaller extend from another y-dna language. The interaction of these two languages for at least 3000 years gave birth to proto-Greek.
Linear A was invented to record Greek, so by 1800 BC all the tribes of Greece spoke Greek-related dialects and it is from then on that Greek history is recorded and written down.
Kenshiro
02-19-2022, 09:48 PM
this is my take on these samples:
https://i.imgur.com/QNz5aof.png
in the Minoan and early Helladic period there were 2 clusters which coexisted for some time. One was still identical to Pelloponese_N, (yellow) and the other was more Kura Araxes shifted.(red)
oracle("Cycladic_EBA",mode="2way",k=100)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "76 % GRC_Peloponnese_N + 24 % Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan" "0.0135"
It seems the "Pelopponese_N" profile died out by 2000 BC, or maybe just rare outliers were like that.
Helladic-MBA invaders arrive around 2000 BC, and they mixed with the local population wich was mostly like Cycladic_EBA.
The resulting mixture were the "Myceanean" and "Empuries" samples (Green). These are the youngest ancient Greek samples we have.
oracle("GRC_Mycenaean",mode="2way",k=500)
[357,] "77.5 % Cycladic_EBA + 22.5 % Helladic_MBA" "0.0222"
Now let's try a model with these clusters, plus the major influences which came later: Levantine (from the Roman times) and Slavic.
I won't use the Myceaneans and Empuries, since they are just a mix of other 2 clusters which are already in the model (Cycladic_EBA and Helladic_MBA).
first with Peloponnese_N , just in case:
https://i.imgur.com/PioQ8Xc.png
it's unnecessary, this again confirms that EBA Greeks were mostly like Cycladic_EBA.
now without it:
https://i.imgur.com/tk3OLBh.png
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I'm not Greek, but this is my result, from Apulia (Southern Italy)
This with Mycenaean
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04-10-2022, 02:41 AM
with updated Kou01
<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_EBA
Bulgaria_Calcolithic
Bulgaria_EBA
Bulgaria_Thracian
Early_Slav
Greece_EBA
Greece_MBA
Greece_Minoan
Greece_Mycenaean
Greek_Andros_Island
2.62803651
•
33.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
8.2
0.0
46.3
0.0
12.0
Greek_Cyclades
0.92098487
•
33.5
0.0
0.0
12.8
11.0
0.0
41.1
0.0
1.6
Greek_Western-Thrace
1.58067338
•
19.4
19.3
0.0
0.0
14.7
1.2
40.6
4.8
0.0
Greek_Thessaly
0.53383553
•
19.9
0.0
0.0
8.8
34.8
0.0
30.8
0.0
5.7
Greek_Istanbul
2.62089273
•
45.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
27.2
0.0
27.5
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central
0.44660623
•
36.0
0.0
0.2
0.0
27.2
0.2
23.5
0.0
12.9
Greek_Dodecanese
1.23604137
•
58.1
0.0
0.0
9.7
9.3
0.0
22.9
0.0
0.0
Greek_West
1.07185842
•
21.1
4.9
0.0
0.0
31.4
12.9
21.9
7.7
0.1
Greek_Peloponnese
0.55475107
•
28.4
0.0
0.8
0.0
33.7
2.5
20.2
0.0
14.4
Greek_Symi_Island
2.36093435
•
45.2
0.0
0.0
2.0
0.0
0.0
18.9
0.0
33.9
Greek_Crete
0.70799681
•
53.4
0.0
0.2
0.0
21.3
0.0
18.8
0.0
6.3
Greek
0.46189862
•
23.7
1.0
0.0
3.8
34.6
15.7
17.9
1.0
2.3
Greek_Ionia
0.78195383
•
40.7
0.0
3.1
9.2
21.7
3.6
16.4
0.0
5.3
Greek_Northeast
0.34077804
•
25.8
0.0
1.6
13.9
33.5
9.3
15.9
0.0
0.0
Greek_West_Macedonia
0.41389357
•
26.3
1.9
0.0
18.4
31.3
6.5
15.6
0.0
0.0
Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.38861959
•
21.5
1.3
0.8
0.0
38.8
10.5
13.0
9.8
4.3
Greek_Chios
0.73469736
•
61.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
12.8
7.2
10.3
0.0
8.0
Greek_Athens
0.49717742
•
31.9
0.2
5.2
17.5
27.0
6.6
4.9
0.0
6.7
Bulgaria_average
0.44486440
•
21.1
0.0
8.5
0.0
56.2
2.7
4.1
4.4
3.0
Greek_North_Aegean
0.80573416
•
47.6
0.0
0.0
15.4
18.4
0.0
3.4
0.0
15.2
Greek_Cappadocian
4.38756349
•
87.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
9.7
0.0
2.5
0.0
0.0
Greek_Caucasus
15.09855383
•
96.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Cypriot
2.54346801
•
76.9
0.0
0.0
0.0
6.5
16.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
0.89699271
•
29.1
7.3
0.0
8.9
40.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
14.4
Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.99230298
•
29.5
0.0
0.0
0.0
44.3
26.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
1.17125616
•
51.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
40.1
0.0
0.0
2.2
6.7
Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.75407455
•
21.1
0.0
0.0
0.0
55.5
0.0
0.0
23.4
0.0
Greek_Trabzon
13.47460341
•
95.3
0.0
0.0
0.0
4.7
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
</tbody>
Greece_Minoan:I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,8.26,0.00,36.65,8.59,41.54,4.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,9.32,0.00,36.96,7.70,41.32,4.45,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0073_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,8.10,0.00,39.75,7.43,44.19,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,7.12,0.00,38.22,7.49,43.48,3.08,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.60,0.00,0.00
Greece_Minoan:I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p,13.38,0.00,35.43,8.11,38.53,4.55,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Greece_Mycenaean:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8 .75,3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.8 0,0.58,0.00,0.00
Greece_Mycenaean:I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_,10.52,2. 73,31.92,8.82,36.83,8.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.86, 0.00,0.30
Greece_Mycenaean:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69, 1.27,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0. 87,3.47,0.98
Greece_Mycenaean:I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp,2 0.11,0.00,30.28,9.34,35.01,3.56,0.00,0.00,1.40,0.0 0,0.00,0.30,0.00
Anatolia_EBA:MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,3.30, 0.00,18.98,26.27,42.49,7.52,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 35,0.01,1.06
Anatolia_EBA:MA2212_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,2.83, 0.00,27.28,20.95,39.52,8.68,0.00,0.41,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.33,0.00
Anatolia_EBA:MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp,6.21, 0.00,22.22,24.88,38.23,8.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 13,0.00,0.17
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2423_Bulgaria_Late_C_6388_yb p,17.54,0.31,47.40,0.00,31.60,2.65,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.50,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2424_Bulgaria_Late_C_6304_yb p,18.23,2.21,41.94,0.00,33.80,3.82,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_yb p,26.87,0.00,40.70,0.00,32.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_yb p,14.26,1.69,42.89,0.00,36.95,4.21,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_yb p,25.03,0.00,38.98,0.00,30.42,5.57,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2431_Bulgaria_Middle_C_6615_ ybp,21.46,3.01,39.50,0.00,33.28,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp,17. 01,0.00,43.94,0.00,34.88,4.17,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp,17. 95,0.00,40.47,0.00,35.28,6.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_EBA:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16. 12,30.59,0.13,25.02,3.53,0.00,0.35,0.00,0.00,1.12, 0.00,0.00
Bulgaria_EBA:I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp,17.43,0.0 0,44.89,0.00,34.76,2.91,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00,0.00
Bulgaria_Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62 ,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log02,25.42,12.25,24.46,9.54 ,23.63,2.29,0,0,0,1,1.21,0,0.18
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6 ,18.4,1.55,0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13
Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Mik15,14.45,0,36.91,0.55,41. 8,6.29,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Pta08,9.49,0,35.59,5.30,43.7 2,5.89,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou01,9.32,0,34.63,7.01,45.1 6,3.88,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou03,11.63,0,30.31,15.51,38 .16,3.47,0,0,0,0,0.6,0,0.31
Early_Slav:AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,1 1.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0.00,0.48,0.97,0.27,0.00, 0.17
Early_Slav:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_123 5_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0.00,0.00,2 .09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0.00
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I'm practically Socrate ahahaha
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