Classify Sibir Tatar Анвар Мадиевич Калиев - Anvar Madievich Kaliev

[kéhán]

https://i.ibb.co/19xx8Hf/kalievanvarmadievich.jpg

[AnthropologistHK]

Uralic.

[Komintasavalta]

I was just gonna start a thread about this Bashkir (https://portret.moypolk.ru/soldier/yamurdin-hatmulla-yamurdinovich)...

https://i.imgur.com/QsxOqmx.png

Both the Siberian Tatar in this thread and the Bashkir above are more or less Uralid in the sense that they look like roughly balanced mixes between northern Mongoloids and northern Caucasoids. I think that apart from Khanty and Mansi, the Uralid proper type is also found among some Siberian Tatars, Bashkirs, Kets, and Khakasses.

Zabolotnie Tatars are a subgroup of Siberian Tatars who are turkified Uralics, so they also look very Obid/Uralid (http://www.alexanderaksakov.com/stories/zabolotie/zabolotie.html):

https://i.imgur.com/qmhlQRS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CsKQGaT.jpg

[CleverGotNext]

Uralid looking ass

[Altaylı]

Zabolotnie Tatars are a subgroup of Siberian Tatars who are turkified Uralics
nope they are not.

[Komintasavalta]

nope they are not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabolotnie_Tatars: "They are considered to be the descendants of the Samoyedic and Ugrian peoples of the West Siberian Plain – the Nenets, Khanty and Mansi – who adopted Siberian Tatar language and converted to Islam, while also preserving some elements of their traditional beliefs."

https://geo.1sept.ru/article.php?ID=200104404 (translated): "By language and faith, they are Tatars, and anthropologically, by blood, they are descendants of the Ugric population (Khanty or Mansi)."

[Altaylı]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabolotnie_Tatars: "They are considered to be the descendants of the Samoyedic and Ugrian peoples of the West Siberian Plain – the Nenets, Khanty and Mansi – who adopted Siberian Tatar language and converted to Islam, while also preserving some elements of their traditional beliefs."

https://geo.1sept.ru/article.php?ID=200104404 (translated): "By language and faith, they are Tatars, and anthropologically, by blood, they are descendants of the Ugric population (Khanty or Mansi)."

they have genetically some uralic component that doesn`t mean they are Turkified
they look genetically close to proto Turks

Distance to: Afanasievo_Mixed
0.05811461 Tatar_Siberian
0.07453513 Tubalar
0.07723235 Bashkir
0.07892836 Nogai
0.08123101 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.08523355 Karakalpak
0.09129603 Shor_Mountain
0.09229878 Uygur
0.09366362 Shor
0.09487153 Shor_Khakassia
0.09487226 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.09598066 Hazara
0.10125404 Uzbek
0.10396218 Kazakh
0.10946356 Yukagir_Forest

their phenotype can be uralic because they have genetically some uralic component they are genetically more Turkic than Uralic

[Kivan]

Andronovo Turanid + Tungid.

[Yamyam]

Obid + Andronovo-Turanid ? Hard to classify