K12b - Balkan Model

[Kaspias]

I had been playing with it, thought the model actually might be useful for you too.


Slavic,3.74,0.99,0.24,0.35,23.86,56.09,0.50,0.09,1 .88,0.12,12.09,0.08
Balkanic:AddSteppe,8.51,0.62,0.38,0.22,34.83,48.60 ,0.61,0.29,0.57,0.12,5.07,0.19
Balkanic:Mainref,7.86,0.13,2.76,0.13,26.75,16.80,0 .40,0.15,11.12,0.55,33.42,0.05
Turkic:Ottoman,13.98,10.53,3.8,0,12.36,12.63,2.74, 1.67,3.09,12.12,26.34,0.75
Turkic:Pre-Ottoman,14.53,22.72,0,2.41,3.86,24.42,0.81,0.11,0, 23.68,7.18,0.28


My main focus was on Central and Eastern Balkans, therefore Germanic-like ancestry evaluated as an additional Balkanic admixture. It is used in order to consummate the main Balkan component. But this method creates an unusual shift in the western and northern corner of the Balkans, specifically Slovenia and Croatia as well as Hungary -despite it is not really a Balkan country, just for the purpose of statement- as these countries might have actual Germanic heritage and even if they don't, their native base is much more northern-western shifted than the one used in this model. In this sense, I can not guarantee you will get stable results in this area. On the other hand, as the Dodecad K12b spreadsheet lacks a variable amount of components from Western Balkans, the output I present might not reflect reality as well. For example, below, I excluded Slovenia because it is modeled wrong.

https://i.ibb.co/cCz2DKX/model1-horz.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/VL68yDm/da-l-m.png
https://i.ibb.co/txZVXpp/pca.png



https://i.ibb.co/VSSY0N7/aile.png

[Thracian]

Target: Thracian
Distance: 3.9461% / 3.94612468 | ADC: 0.25x
70.6 Balkanic
15.0 Slavic
14.4 Turkic

[migrec]

Target: migrec
Distance: 5.0452% / 5.04518021
52.1 Balkanic
24.6 Slavic
23.3 Turkic

[Ryujin]

Target: Ryujin

Distance: 7.9464% / 7.94637702

69.7 Balkanic
25.8 Turkic
4.5 Slavic

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.8776% / 3.87761568
62.9 Slavic
37.1 Balkanic:Mainref

[lacreme]

Interesting model though for my Greek friend, his mother and his non biological maternal grandfather, it doesn't really work ...The distances are too big :/

First his non bio maternal grandfather. He has an arvanite genetic profile and sure enough, he is basically THE Albanian average... The distance though is quite high, not sure what's missing here...

Target: Chris_non_bio_grandpa
Distance: 5.6687% / 5.66870828
84.4 Balkanic:Mainref
15.4 Slavic
0.2 Balkanic:AddSteppe

My friend, better distances but still relatively high. Obviously he can't be 0% Slavic, whatever he has it gets sucked into the balkanic component. Also, what is the difference between Pre-Ottoman and Ottoman ? east asian-heavy for the former and mostly West Asian for the latter ? The opposite ? Something else ?

Target: Chris
Distance: 4.1509% / 4.15088941
98.3 Balkanic:Mainref
1.7 Turkic:Ottoman

Lastly, his mother. The comments for my friend are applicable to her too. In addition, here the model is obviously unfit for her. As far as I understand she may have extra west asian shift compared to a typical Mainlander/Islander mix (hence the Turkic Ottoman ? ) but other than that I don't know why it's so off . No matter the calculator used, even on G25, and the amount of populations she can't get very good fits usually.

Target: ChrisMom
Distance: 7.2915% / 7.29145865
90.3 Balkanic:Mainref
9.7 Turkic:Ottoman

Their Dodecad K12b coordinates


Chris,8.47,0.13,1.56,0,26.05,17.21,0.92,0.3,8.62,0 .42,36.31,0
ChrisMom,10.03,0,1.86,0,21.95,15.07,0.46,1.1,10.31 ,0.69,38.51,0
Chris_non_bio_grandpa,3.85,0,1.74,1.33,29.1,23.27, 1.09,0,7.25,0,32.19,0.15

[Kayra]

It is amazing how I inherited only Balkanic admixture from my mother.

Target: Kayra
Distance: 2.2753% / 2.27531109
73.9 Balkanic
15.5 Turkic
10.6 Slavic

[Kaspias]

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Distances are actually not that important as the component size is low. However, as you stated, the model doesn't fit your friend's mom and himself. The reason they get Ottoman is the West-Asian shift. It fits pretty well for his grandpa.

Pre-Ottoman is the Khazar/Bulgar sample from the Pontic Steppe. Ottoman one is half Anatolian, half Oghuz sample from Kırşehir.



PCA so far.

https://i.ibb.co/WWDVJGP/pcag-ncel.png

[Kyp]

Kyp,13.18,2.49,0.53,0.01,20.55,29.48,2.28,0,4.50,1 .49,25.40,0

Target: kyp
Distance: 6.2706% / 6.27058970
36.4 Balkanic
33.4 Slavic
30.2 Turkic

[Ylla]

85.2 Balkanic
14.8 Slavic

[Impaler]

Target: Impaler
Distance: 5.2048% / 5.20479514
48.0 Balkanic:Mainref
20.8 Turkic:Ottoman
16.8 Slavic
14.4 Balkanic:AddSteppe

[paradox]

Target: 12b
Distance: 3.3640% / 3.36399645
70.0 Balkanic:Mainref
25.4 Slavic
4.6 Turkic:Ottoman
__________

Target: Father_12b
Distance: 1.4811% / 1.48109946
54.9 Balkanic:Mainref
37.6 Slavic
7.5 Balkanic:AddSteppe

[Hulu]

Target: Hulu
Distance: 403.7097% / 4.03709729
97.2 Balkanic
2.8 Slavic

[17571imre]

my mother:

Target: cb
Distance: 1.8961% / 1.89607453
48.4 Balkanic:AddSteppe
27.0 Slavic
21.6 Balkanic:Mainref
3.0 Turkic:Pre-Ottoman


mine:
Target: mh
Distance: 1.9774% / 1.97740823
62.0 Balkanic:AddSteppe
30.9 Balkanic:Mainref
7.1 Slavic

[Hapanuwa]

For the lolz


Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 1004.6451% / 10.04645129
57.6 Balkanic
42.4 Turkic

[Hulu]

Thanks paradox

Target: Hulu
Distance: 403.7097% / 4.03709729
92.0 Balkanic:Mainref
5.2 Balkanic:AddSteppe
2.8 Slavic

[CommonSense]

Target: CommonSense
Distance: 3.0259% / 3.02588340
56.5 Balkanic
43.5 Slavic

[Kaspias]

https://i.ibb.co/kDVm9bS/pcag-ncel2.png

[andre]

Target: Andre_K12b
Distance: 2.8137% / 2.81367022
52.3 Balkanic
47.7 Slavic

[PAGANE]

Mine:
Target: Pagan
Distance: 4.2408% / 4.24076180
57.9 Balkanic
36.1 Slavic
6.0 Turkic


Distance to: Pagane
4.50089829 36.40% Slavic + 63.60% Balkanic: Mainref
8.32065162 34.00% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 66.00% Balkanic: Mainref
13.75014983 48.40% Slavic + 51.60% Turkic: Ottoman
15.06757443 82.80% Balkanic: Mainref + 17.20% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
15.11095927 47.20% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 52.80% Turkic: Ottoman
17.11905806 89.40% Balkanic: Mainref + 10.60% Turkic: Ottoman
25.60191836 70.60% Slavic + 29.40% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
26.22013490 69.00% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 31.00% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
29.02071084 62.40% Slavic + 37.60% Balkanic: AddSteppe




Target: Pagane's brother
Distance: 3.9238% / 3.92375132
65.8 Balkanic
32.2 Slavic
2.0 Turkic


Distance to: Brother of Pagane
3.95578226 32.20% Slavic + 67.80% Balkanic: Mainref
8.19508183 29.00% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 71.00% Balkanic: Mainref
13.84843876 86.80% Balkanic: Mainref + 13.20% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
15.27149264 94.00% Balkanic: Mainref + 6.00% Turkic: Ottoman
15.39786824 46.20% Slavic + 53.80% Turkic: Ottoman
16.89262414 44.40% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 55.60% Turkic: Ottoman
27.76888271 71.00% Slavic + 29.00% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
28.63049137 69.00% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 31.00% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
30.99603460 67.20% Slavic + 32.80% Balkanic: AddSteppe

Target: Pagane's mother
Distance: 2.5794% / 2.57943014
70.0 Balkanic
26.4 Slavic
3.6 Turkic


Distance to: Pagane's mother
2.72956272 26.60% Slavic + 73.40% Balkanic: Mainref
5.28712041 25.40% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 74.60% Balkanic: Mainref
10.97087428 88.00% Balkanic: Mainref + 12.00% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
12.37761957 93.20% Balkanic: Mainref + 6.80% Turkic: Ottoman
16.05315534 41.20% Slavic + 58.80% Turkic: Ottoman
16.22708047 41.20% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 58.80% Turkic: Ottoman
29.34267543 67.40% Balkanic: AddSteppe + 32.60% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
29.64578866 67.60% Slavic + 32.40% Turkic: Pre-Ottoman
32.91855985 48.20% Slavic + 51.80% Balkanic: AddSteppe

[Jana]

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 3.9586% / 3.95856288

67.0 Slavic
33.0 Balkanic

[Abriekman]

Target: Abriekman
Distance: 3.2310% / 3.23100936
82.5 Slavic
13.4 Balkanic:Mainref
4.1 Turkic:Ottoman

[Abriekman]

Target: Abriekman
Distance: 3.2310% / 3.23100936
82.5 Slavic
13.4 Balkanic:Mainref
4.1 Turkic:Ottoman

Turkic score is weird, since Polish and Bulgarian averages have 0

[MandM]

Target: Milenko
Distance: 136.3096% / 1.36309640
50.2 Slavic
49.8 Balkanic

[Jana]

Target: Stears
Distance: 1.6029% / 1.60287980

66.7 Slavic
25.4 Balkanic
7.9 Turkic

[Ljubic]

Target: Dad
Distance: 2.6135% / 2.61348735
67.6 Slavic
32.4 Balkanic

Target: Greatuncle
Distance: 1.8228% / 1.82276695
56.8 Slavic
43.2 Balkanic

Target: Me
Distance: 2.6127% / 2.61268642
57.2 Slavic
42.8 Balkanic

Nice distances.

[RatCat]

For fun :D

Target: RatCat
Distance: 26.4185% / 26.41848728
62.5 Balkanic
37.5 Turkic


And with Georgian added as a proxy for Caucasian

Target: RatCat
Distance: 2.9884% / 2.98837867
84.2 Caucasian
14.5 Balkanic
0.8 Turkic
0.5 Slavic

[CommonSense]

Target: Mother
Distance: 3.1290% / 3.12901968
61.1 Slavic
38.9 Balkanic

[xripkan]

Target: christos
Distance: 2.9426% / 2.94257061
87.0 Balkanic:Mainref
12.8 Slavic
0.2 Balkanic:AddSteppe

[bained]

Target: BaiNed
Distance: 3.6553% / 3.65528730
76.0 Balkanic
24.0 Slavic

[alexmegas777]

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
Distance: 4.4502% / 4.45020727
52.2 Balkanic:Mainref
34.9 Balkanic:AddSteppe
12.9 Slavic

[Dirdepo]

Distance: 4.2298% / 4.22977602
70.3 Balkanic
29.7 North_European

[Nurzat]

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.8776% / 3.87761568
62.9 Slavic
37.1 Balkanic:Mainref

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 4.4958% / 4.49581773
66.2 Slavic
33.8 Balkanic:Mainref

[lockdownboredom]

Target: lb
Distance: 2.5018% / 2.50184737
74.9 Balkanic:Mainref
22.8 Balkanic:AddSteppe
2.3 Slavic

[Geni_kameni]

Target: GeniKameni
Distance: 250.8753% / 2.50875278
55.4 Balkanic
44.6 Slavic

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Why are Bosnians more slavic (on average) than both croats and serbs according to this?