Main phenotypes among these anti-Covid French from Niza

[Cristiano viejo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXtSH0R1zTk

[hurtuv]

Not that many people in the video and the ones that are close enough for analysis are even less, but Southern French have great overlap with Iberians. I once saw someone on this forum write something on the lines of "the Pyrenees are a huuuge genetic/phenotypical barrier"...uuhhhh no :ohwell:

[Cristiano viejo]

Not that many people in the video and the ones that are close enough for analysis are even less, but Southern French have great overlap with Iberians. I once saw someone on this forum write something on the lines of "the Pyrenees are a huuuge genetic/phenotypical barrier"...uuhhhh no :ohwell:

That ultra progre French Melki is Southern French and he lives there. He always has claimed Southern French and Iberians look super close.
Foreigners (let say sudacas, MENAs, Asians etc, and of course North Europeans, who dont know a shit about France or Iberia) are the ones that claim French are super different.

[Samnium]

Not that many people in the video and the ones that are close enough for analysis are even less, but Southern French have great overlap with Iberians. I once saw someone on this forum write something on the lines of "the Pyrenees are a huuuge genetic/phenotypical barrier"...uuhhhh no :ohwell:

Nice is irrelevant. Plenty of strangers or Italian, Spanish, Portuguese... and non-euro descended people. If you want an accurate picture of what Southern France is, you go in the inland areas. Not on the coast.

Provençaux look French as a whole and people who say otherwise are deeply deceived.

https://p8.storage.canalblog.com/83/30/592904/38092438.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/1c/f3/c61cf343954e615eb8d93a22ff5686a4.jpg

This is a school classroom from Marseille in 1967 :

https://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1305802597/1360144.jpg

Very different from Italians or Spanish. No joke.

[Oliver109]

Most of those southern French are barely different to the ones from further north minus a few very Mediterranean types though those are in the minority, the N/S divide in France is i think a myth and most of those people are really no different to Bretons.

[Samnium]

Most of those southern French are barely different to the ones from further north minus a few very Mediterranean types though those are in the minority, the N/S divide in France is i think a myth and most of those people are really no different to Bretons.

It is a myth, but as you see still supported by many people unfortunately...

I can suggest them, to do a trip somewhere else than Nice, Marseille or Toulon.

[Flashball]

It is a myth, but as you see still supported by many people unfortunately...

I can suggest them, to do a trip somewhere else than Nice, Marseille or Toulon.

All the Spaniards I spoke to had a tendency to want to "Spanishize" the French in the South West, Center and South East.

they say to themselves "the more there is geographical proximity, the more the genetics of these populations are similar", in truth in France it does not work so simply, so that a person of Isère (south-eastern quarter) can cluster closer to an individual from Berry and Picardy than to an individual from northern Italy.

It's very complicated to explain for those with a political agenda, so it's hard to explain this to Spaniards who sometimes pick up Varg theories (which is quite funny).

[Gredos]

All the Spaniards I spoke to had a tendency to want to "Spanishize" the French in the South West, Center and South East.

they say to themselves "the more there is geographical proximity, the more the genetics of these populations are similar", in truth in France it does not work so simply, so that a person of Isère (south-eastern quarter) can cluster closer to an individual from Berry and Picardy than to an individual from northern Italy.

It's very complicated to explain for those with a political agenda, so it's hard to explain this to Spaniards who sometimes pick up Varg theories (which is quite funny).

The reality is what it is. take two groups of French and Spanish, for example European parliamentarians.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/es/search/advanced?name=&countryCode=ES

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/es/search/advanced?name=&countryCode=FR

The only ones that are out of place are the handful of French of African or Asian origin, the others are all interchangeable, it does not matter if they are French from the north or from the south

[Oliver109]

The reality is what it is. take two groups of French and Spanish, for example European parliamentarians.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/es/search/advanced?name=&countryCode=ES

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/es/search/advanced?name=&countryCode=FR

The only ones that are out of place are the handful of French of African or Asian origin, the others are all interchangeable, it does not matter if they are French from the north or from the south

Some of the Spanish there are quite Northern looking and can pass in Britain but on the whole they are very mainly Mediterranean, they are very different from many of the French who give me a British or German vibe that you get seldomly in the Spanish. The Spanish also have a significant number who are clearly not pale in skin tone as well while the French generally seem pretty much as light as the English.

[Cristiano viejo]

Nice is irrelevant. Plenty of strangers or Italian, Spanish, Portuguese... and non-euro descended people.
lol, as if any place in France was not so :rolleyes:

Niza is one of the most important cities of its zone (the main of the French Riviera), it is everything less irrelevant.


Very different from Italians or Spanish. No joke.
Very nice joke rather.


All the Spaniards I spoke to had a tendency to want to "Spanishize" the French in the South West, Center and South East.
FALSE. One proof:

Being near France means a shit since Spaniards and French have nothing to do genetically, it is not as if Spaniards from the frontier were mixed with French or something, and no, Basques and less even Catalans are not lighter than the rest. I often call Catalans "Andalusians of the north", you already know why.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?341399-Spaniard-people&p=7090541#post7090541


they say to themselves "the more there is geographical proximity, the more the genetics of these populations are similar", in truth in France it does not work so simply, so that a person of Isère (south-eastern quarter) can cluster closer to an individual from Berry and Picardy than to an individual from northern Italy.

It's very complicated to explain for those with a political agenda, so it's hard to explain this to Spaniards who sometimes pick up Varg theories (which is quite funny).
Excuse me, semi Sardinian boy... when have we said Southern French (lol, we barely speak about French, let alone about a specific group of French :rolleyes:) are closer to us than to Northern French??? stop inventing things, Med boy.


The Spanish also have a significant number who are clearly not pale in skin tone as well while the French generally seem pretty much as light as the English.
Cool story, pity that the links prove you to are liying...

[Samnium]

lol, as if any place in France was not so :rolleyes:

Are we talking about people living in Southern France or Ethnic Southern French ? It's a very different question.

Otherwise, I can include people from N.Africa (or partially descended) if I'm speaking about Catalan phenotypes.


Niza is one of the most important cities of its zone (the main of the French Riviera), it is everything less irrelevant.

Nice is a city that had plenty of strangers (and descendants of them) through the years, I still don't see where's your point.

Coastal areas barely represent what Provence was in the 19th century.


Very nice joke rather.

They look French, if you think that people would guess "Spain" or "Italy" by seeing it, it's that you're blind.

Even people that are pretty much intermediate in pigmentation have clearly French features.

Anyway, it's my last post here in this topic, I won't discuss with someone that doesn't even live in France LMAO.

[Samnium]

All the Spaniards I spoke to had a tendency to want to "Spanishize" the French in the South West, Center and South East.

they say to themselves "the more there is geographical proximity, the more the genetics of these populations are similar", in truth in France it does not work so simply, so that a person of Isère (south-eastern quarter) can cluster closer to an individual from Berry and Picardy than to an individual from northern Italy.

It's very complicated to explain for those with a political agenda, so it's hard to explain this to Spaniards who sometimes pick up Varg theories (which is quite funny).

They try to stick artificially with us, no matter how we tell to them that Spain and France are different.

Damn, they would even try to make Normandy, Savoie or Alsace identical to Spain even if in reality, two worlds apart. I've already said, you find similarities in the SW corner, and even there, you can still see that Pyrenees were certainly a barrier. I've known people from Toulouse etc., they are definitely Central-Euro shifted compared to Southern Euro countries.

Why French have to be "spanish" or "italian" ? We are into our own box. Period.

[Cristiano viejo]

Are we talking about people living in Southern France or Ethnic Southern French ? It's a very different question.

Otherwise, I can include people from N.Africa (or partially descended) if I'm speaking about Catalan phenotypes.



Nice is a city that had plenty of strangers (and descendants of them) through the years, I still don't see where's your point.

Coastal areas barely represent what Provence was in the 19th century.



They look French, if you think that people would guess "Spain" or "Italy" by seeing it, it's that you're blind.

Even people that are pretty much intermediate in pigmentation have clearly French features.

Anyway, it's my last post here in this topic, I won't discuss with someone that doesn't even live in France LMAO.
yes yes yes... I know they look "very different", as you claimed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXtSH0R1zTk&feature=emb_title

an I am the blind...


They try to stick artificially with us, no matter how we tell to them that Spain and France are different.

Damn, they would even try to make Normandy, Savoie or Alsace identical to Spain even if in reality, two worlds apart. I've already said, you find similarities in the SW corner, and even there, you can still see that Pyrenees were certainly a barrier. I've known people from Toulouse etc., they are definitely Central-Euro shifted compared to Southern Euro countries.

Why French have to be "spanish" or "italian" ? We are into our own box. Period.

Stop talking about our wishes, you dont know it. Post a fuckin post of us saying we want be like people from Picardy or whatever you are dreaming. You are not Germans or British, and you dont look like them, is they your wish?

[Samnium]

yes yes yes... I know they look "very different", as you claimed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXtSH0R1zTk&feature=emb_title

an I am the blind...

I've given some pictures, and by the way, in the video they don't particuliarly look "Southern Euro" lol. For instance the old woman at the end of the video has a very common phenotype in France. It's "super-French". Pigmentation is not as important as you would think.


Srop talking about our wishes, you dont know it. Shor a fuckin post of us saying we want be like people from Picardy or whatever you are dreaming.

We can print out your 37,443 messages to see your agenda, do you want ? It would be quite easy find that you constantly try to make French equal to Spanish, for whatever reason, don't you think that France is not located in the iberian peninsula ? Why do you spread lies and false ideas, and when we rebuke them you still find a way to deny ?

[Cristiano viejo]

I've given some pictures, and by the way, in the video they don't particuliarly look "Southern Euro" lol. For instance the old woman at the end of the video has a very common phenotype in France. It's "super-French". Pigmentation is not as important as you would think.
:laugh:



We can print out your 37,443 messages to see your agenda, do you want ? It would be quite easy find that you constantly try to make French equal to Spanish, for whatever reason, don't you think that France is not located in the iberian peninsula ? Why do you spread lies and false ideas, and when we rebuke them you still find a way to deny ?

I posted above what I said about French just a few days ago. You are who lies saying I want to equal Spanish with French. I could say your 7000 messages form part of your agenda to constantly try to make French equal to Germans and British.

This is the point of the thread, you dont look like Germans or British but rather like South Euros. It resembles when you have always denied you look Italian... until that people, for dozens, said the opposite to you.

[Sebastianus Rex]

The owner of the restaurant looks like a bald Didier Deschamps, the other are mostly a mix of mediterranean and alpinoid types.

The morons were way too close to each other, not the most intelligent way to desobey but OK.

PS. the food looks like shit...french cuisine the best in the world my ass.

[Cristiano viejo]

The owner of the restaurant looks like a bald Didier Deschamps, the other are mostly a mix of mediterranean and alpinoid types.

The morons were way too close to each other, not the most intelligent way to desobey but OK.

PS. the food looks like shit...french cuisine the best in the world my ass.

They dont believe in the plandemia, that is why. My respect.

[Sebastianus Rex]

They dont believe in the plandemia, that is why. My respect.

Ok but the food still looks like shit, they are risking to eat that ?!. :icon_lol:

[Samnium]

PS. the food looks like shit...french cuisine the best in the world my ass.

Well, if France's cuisine isn't the best in the world, where the other countries are ? :rolleyes:

[Cristiano viejo]

Well, if France's cuisine isn't the best in the world, where the other countries are ? :rolleyes:

Ones above, others below.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Well, if France's cuisine isn't the best in the world, where the other countries are ? :rolleyes:

In my experience at least half a dozen countries have more tastier cuisines than France...I mean traditional cuisine that people normally eat and you can find in normal restaurants, not talking about the michelin star BS scene.

But I'll give you a chance to prove your point, name your top 3 french dishes please...you can insert pics if you like.

[Centurion]

In my experience at least half a dozen countries have more tastier cuisines than France...I mean traditional cuisine that people normally eat and you can find in normal restaurants, not talking about the michelin star BS scene.

But I'll give you a chance to prove your point, name your top 3 french dishes please...you can insert pics if you like.


Cassoulet

https://prods3.imgix.net/images/articles/2017_03/Non-featured-Instant-pot-cassoulet-recipe-NEW.jpg

Riboulade

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fd/c4/18/fdc4180420c7393aa98f326088b249fc.jpg

Quiche Lorraine

https://www.seasonsandsuppers.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/classic-quiche-lorraine-A.jpg

Far Breton

https://static.youmiam.com/images/recipe/1500x1000/le-vrai-far-breton-aux-pruneaux-3128?placeholder=web_recipe&sig=e5ca06c9c4dbf7006ecd018f8cd6245febd4aecb&v0

Clafouti

https://chowhound3.cbsistatic.com/recipe_photos/29695_cherry_clafoutis3.jpg

Tarte Tatin

https://assets.afcdn.com/recipe/20180503/79001_w1024h768c1cx2880cy1920.jpg

Crème Brulée

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/12/13/dining/15COOKING-CREME-BRULEE1/15COOKING-CREME-BRULEE1-articleLarge.jpg

Ratatouille

https://hips.hearstapps.com/del.h-cdn.co/assets/17/30/1501008062-shot-2-099.jpg

Poulet Marengo

https://res.cloudinary.com/hv9ssmzrz/image/fetch/c_fill,f_auto,h_600,q_auto,w_800/https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/images-ca-1-0-1-eu/recipe_photos/original/190519/Poulet-marengo-facile.jpg

Poule au Pot

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O-OlwLPUeYg/WqOPPBe3pPI/AAAAAAAAIQo/TqPxQxUCDkMGTB4Su9c6T5zTkvnNLS2TwCLcBGAs/s810/poule-pot-810-web-elise_lepage-0004.jpg

Sauce Béarnaise

https://be35832fa5168a30acd6-5c7e0f2623ae37b4a933167fe83d71b5.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.c om/5149/bearnaise__square.jpg

Gratin Dauphinois

https://cac.img.pmdstatic.net/fit/http.3A.2F.2Fprd2-bone-image.2Es3-website-eu-west-1.2Eamazonaws.2Ecom.2Fcac.2F2018.2F09.2F25.2F2dca7 216-75fa-4f22-b2cd-81faf2c70198.2Ejpeg/748x372/quality/80/crop-from/center/gratin-dauphinois-facile.jpeg

Andouillette

https://www.charcuterie-sibilia.com/390-thickbox_default/andouillette-a-la-fraise-de-veau.jpg

Quenelles

https://img.cuisineaz.com/660x660/2018-03-19/i137216-quenelles-de-brochet-au-four.jpeg

Tartiflette

https://www.cuisine-blog.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/fotolia_60240140_subscription_xxl.jpg

Coq au Vin

https://www.youmustlovefood.com/wp-content/uploads/bfi_thumb/coqauvinlead-1s48oxvs9mcetyur86wsk56qggat5dntewgpw3wlk1x0.jpg

Pot au Feu

https://assets.afcdn.com/recipe/20141014/47748_w1024h768c1cx800cy800.jpg

Boeuf Bourguignon

https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalmills.com/42fb4d81-8d92-40e2-9f0a-524edce5ca74.jpg

Bouillabaisse

https://img.taste.com.au/t9IfHTdF/w1200-h630-cfill/taste/2016/11/bouillabaisse-78546-1.jpeg

Choucroute Garnie

https://cdn.lacuisinedannie.com/images/45.jpg

Galette Bretonne

https://files.meilleurduchef.com/mdc/photo/recette/galette-bretonne/galette-bretonne-640.jpg

Magret de Canard

https://fac.img.pmdstatic.net/fit/http.3A.2F.2Fprd2-bone-image.2Es3-website-eu-west-1.2Eamazonaws.2Ecom.2Ffac.2F2018.2F07.2F30.2Fc59bd 4cd-4f02-43e3-a450-360e224dfc87.2Ejpeg/850x478/quality/90/crop-from/center/magret-de-canard-aux-pommes.jpeg

Cuisses de Grenouilles

https://www.academiedugout.fr/images/24131/948-580/cuisse_grenouil_crempersil.eps.jpg?poix=50&poiy=50

Escargots

https://www.leftbank.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Escargots-1024x683.jpg

Galette des Rois

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/12/24/magazine/24mag-ondessert1/24mag-24ondessert-t_CA0-articleLarge.jpg

Bayonnais Sandwich

https://monsieurchatte.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/le-bayonnais-sandwich-for-web.jpg

Parisien Sandwich

https://www.club-sandwich.net/images/photorecettes/parisien.jpg

Daube de Sanglier

https://p1.storage.canalblog.com/14/44/1373241/118670115_o.jpg



That list is very very far to be exhaustive. I could'nt make a Top 3 dishes and I have no reason to do it. French Cuisine is too much great and diverse to do such a thing.

[Cristiano viejo]

That list is very very far to be exhaustive. I could'nt make a Top 3 dishes and I have no reason to do it. French Cuisine is too much great and diverse to do such a thing.

Big countries get great and diverse cuisines, nothing unusual with that. This same could be posted about let say Spanish cuisine.

[Centurion]

And therefore you can't judge the cuisine of a country with just 3 dishes. It is a fallacious process from S.R.

[hurtuv]

Nice is irrelevant. Plenty of strangers or Italian, Spanish, Portuguese... and non-euro descended people. If you want an accurate picture of what Southern France is, you go in the inland areas. Not on the coast.

Provençaux look French as a whole and people who say otherwise are deeply deceived.

https://p8.storage.canalblog.com/83/30/592904/38092438.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/1c/f3/c61cf343954e615eb8d93a22ff5686a4.jpg

This is a school classroom from Marseille in 1967 :

https://image-parcours.copainsdavant.com/image/750/1305802597/1360144.jpg

Very different from Italians or Spanish. No joke.

For some reason I rarely get notified of replies to me these days. Did you get notified of this reply?

On topic:
To clarify my point: these groups would be atypical in Iberia, facial features are more central/northern shifted on a "somewhat something" amount xd, but that I always knew, and still they wouldn't be unpassable, and for sure I mean this as groups. On an individual level they all pass with a higher or lower degree of typicality, and this is what I was mostly going at (not to say that in millions of Southern French you can't find one single umpassable person).
The Blade's studies have noticed both considerable overlap with Iberians pigmentation wise and a contrast with Northern French. The first thing I wanna mention is that in the Portuguese study took into account fashion models, so I pmed him some time ago and what he said was that they weren't lighter than any other groups except for footballers. Where I think this very very likely causes an error is in rufosity data. I'm as surprised to find out Portuguese are more ginger than English as any other person :blink:, probably even more since I've lived in both Portugal and Wales. I would prefer to disregard female hair colour data as well since it can be hard to spot fake blondes/gingers (or fake brunnetes for that matter). But I would suggest people to look at the comparison of Southern French and Portuguese in terms of eye colour - this is probably the most reliable data, available in the analysis section of the Portuguese study, and at the males hair colour data of both Portugal and Southern France (for this one you have to look at each study individually). You don't have to assume these numbers are exact, but you can see the overlap.

France - https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300767-Eye-and-hair-colour-distribution-among-650-French-(both-sexes-studied)&highlight=hair+colour+distribution
Portugal - https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334977-Eye-and-hair-colour-distribution-among-1144-Portuguese-(both-sexes-studied)&highlight=hair+colour+distribution

Regarding the North/South difference in France, this is something you can find in the analysis section of the Portuguese study and on the French study in general.
Also, there is this thread, photos no longer available I think, but just google the guys, and I'm not saying each one could not be from the other's guys city, but wouldn't the odds of that being so be significantly smaller?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241607-Classify-two-French-communists

I hope I'm not being too much like our old mate Nass, he's not a bad guy IMO and I definitely relate to him wanting to bust ridiculous stereotypes, but for me to make a claim like his, forget about France, I would have to that claim that coastal Galicians aren't darker than Swedes :biggrin: (this is actually a terrible comparision because the North/South difference in Morocco is huge compared with Iberia). But if you want to analyse this same topic regarding Moroccans in general, this could actually be accurate.
Morocco- https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?338152-Eye-and-hair-colour-distribution-among-548-Moroccans&highlight=hair+colour+distribution
Sweden- https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?305795-Eye-and-hair-colour-distribution-among-970-Swedes-(both-sexes-studied)&highlight=hair+colour+distribution
and Portugal more or less in the middle pigmentation wise. Facial features wise forgerabourit. Quite more than 5% of Portuguese men can fit in Scandinavia if you count atypical Scandos (Atlantid and Paleo-Atlantid for instance).

but I don't wanna get too off-topic.
To conclude I'd like to say that what the other guy said about the Pyrenees, in the words he said it, is far from being true.

[Centurion]

It's obvious that there can be huge differences of phenotypes between Northern French and Southern French. Northern French often look North-Western European while Southern French often look Southern European and even MENA sometimes (the famous Narbonnoids).

Northern French often look like this:

https://static1.ozap.com/articles/7/44/24/47/@/4444491--950x0-1.jpg

Southern French often look like this:

https://mcetv.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Les-Marseillais-en-Asie-une-autre-candidate-quitte-le-tournage-.jpg

[hurtuv]

It's obvious that there can be huge differences of phenotypes between Northern French and Southern French. Northern French often look North-Western European while Southern French often look Southern European and even MENA sometimes (the famous Narbonnoids).

Northern French often look like this:

https://static1.ozap.com/articles/7/44/24/47/@/4444491--950x0-1.jpg

Southern French often look like this:

https://mcetv.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Les-Marseillais-en-Asie-une-autre-candidate-quitte-le-tournage-.jpg

Ahaha, two reality shows, "les ch tis débarquent à mykonos" and "les marseillais a koh samui", seem fun, gotta give it a watch. Where exactly are these ch tis from may I ask?

[Sebastianus Rex]

Big countries get great and diverse cuisines, nothing unusual with that. This same could be posted about let say Spanish cuisine.

Bah, for every dish he posted I can post a similar portuguese or Spanish dish wich are more tasty.

Cassoulet is very lame compared to Feijoada or Fabada and many similar dishes with beans and pork, chorizos we have.

Riboulade is not even comparable to a good Paella or Arroz de Marisco, Arroz de pato and other rice dishes

Quiche Lorraine is lame compared to a good tortilla, torta de bacalhau, empadão etc

Ratatouille is just mixed vegetables in the casserole...big fucking deal

Poulet marengo is like Frango/pollo de tomatada but with a pretensious name (the true french speciality)

Poulet au pot is just boiled chicken that goes to the hoven to crust a bit...we usually eat that when someone is sick from the stomach and can't eat a proper seasoned dish

Pot au feu is nowhere near cozido à portuguesa or madrileño

Steak sauce bernaise is just a steak with a lame greasy sauce on top...

Gratin dauphinois I like...as a side dish, is just potatoes but whatever

Andouillete is actually pretty disgusting, eat it once in Lyon and almost puked...tripes with a horrible taste, they should try Dobrada or Tripas à moda do Porto to see how tripes are cooked, in Spain you do it pretty well also

Quenelles is also bad, no comparison with Lulas recheadas/clamares rellenos etc

Tartiflete is like gratin...nice but just a side dish

Bouef bourgignon is good no doubt but for me not as good as our estufados, our season is better and we add chorizos to the cooking wich make everything more tasty

Bouillabaise is good, but quite similar to our traditional caldeiradas or cataplanas, nothing unique.

Choucrute is German

Gallette Bretonne is like revueltos on top of a crepe...is that a proper dish or a breakfast?

Maigret de Canard is desgusting, period

Frog legs is cool, we have it too, same with escargots (caracoletas...the little ones cooked in a pan are very popular in the summer, goes well with beer)

Bayonne sandwich is ridiculous compared to a good Jamon serrano bocadillo...french ham is not very good, same with that parisian crap

Daubed de sanglier is similar to our local hunting dishes, estufado de javali etc

He forgot Coq au Vin...that I like alot and requires long time to prepare and cook

Where the french are very very good imo is on pastries, desserts, cakes, and also bread and cheeses

[NSXD60]

19th cen french probably ranged from 80% PIE/20% Med, to 70% PIE/30% Med, to 60% PIE/40% Med, depending on the region. Nowadays, these groupings are more intermixed from all directions.

[Samnium]

In my experience at least half a dozen countries have more tastier cuisines than France...I mean traditional cuisine that people normally eat and you can find in normal restaurants, not talking about the michelin star BS scene.

But I'll give you a chance to prove your point, name your top 3 french dishes please...you can insert pics if you like.

Dishes cooked in Michelin classified restaurants aren't that uncommon. They are generally speaking dishes that are well known to French population.

French cuisine has simply a variety of them, of pastries, bread, wine, cheese... That can't be matched in any country in the world. I'm not joking, and numbers speak for itself. For instance, there are more than 400 varieties of cheese in France : bleu, tomme de Savoie, roquefort, beaufort, brie, coulommiers... Heck even villages gave to cheese their name (Coulommiers is a village in Normandy...).

It's part of the french gastronomy, and you can't say that there are many countries that have a "tastier" cuisine than ours.

Haute cuisine is somewhat a french invention, and if our cuisine is so bad, why every head of state want french chefs ? Why millions of people come to France also to discover our gastronomy ? I mean, the only country where I've seen that other than France is Italy.

[Samnium]

Hurtuv : The 1930 studies show a clearly gap with Southern Europe. And I mean, these studies were conducted with several thousand of people if not more. At
a period where less people had foreign ancestry.

The people on the group clearly DON'T pass as a group as Italian or Spanish, it's not even a matter of pigmentation but features. They are an average classroom, you would find similar pictures in Northern France.

I think that the difference even genetical between Southern (ethnic) and Northern French is very exagerated.

[Oliver109]

Dishes cooked in Michelin classified restaurants aren't that uncommon. They are generally speaking dishes that are well known to French population.

French cuisine has simply a variety of them, of pastries, bread, wine, cheese... That can't be matched in any country in the world. I'm not joking, and numbers speak for itself. For instance, there are more than 400 varieties of cheese in France : bleu, tomme de Savoie, roquefort, beaufort, brie, coulommiers... Heck even villages gave to cheese their name (Coulommiers is a village in Normandy...).

It's part of the french gastronomy, and you can't say that there are many countries that have a "tastier" cuisine than ours.

I think French cuisine is a bit mild in flavour compared to say the Spanish cuisine which is generally very strong tasting(far too strong for British tastes in general in reality though i being half Spanish really enjoy it) I think our grilled meats, roast Chicken, Lamb and pork is generally superior to the French, our ham, certainly that of the Iberico de Bellota variety is i think unrivalled and of course our olives, salads our better. There is only so much Spanish food i can take i think because of it's strong flavours(i can eat British food nearly every day) but when one eats it it certainly beats many cuisines out there.

[Samnium]

I think French cuisine is a bit mild in flavour compared to say the Spanish cuisine which is generally very strong tasting(far too strong for British tastes in general in reality though i being half Spanish really enjoy it) I think our grilled meats, roast Chicken, Lamb and pork is generally superior to the French, our ham, certainly that of the Iberico de Bellota variety is i think unrivalled and of course our olives, salads our better. There is only so much Spanish food i can take i think because of it's strong flavours(i can eat British food nearly every day) but when one eats it it certainly beats many cuisines out there.

I don't agree, French meat is renowned. We have lot of chicken "species" with some of them near to extinction in the past (like Bresse chicken). Where we might not match Spanish, is probably the lamb.

Lyon is one of the most important cities for gastronomy, and pork is at the center of their cuisine. French saucissons are unmatched, really. French ham is a bit less strong however.

[Oliver109]

I don't agree, French meat is renowned. We have lot of chicken "species" with some of them near to extinction in the past (like Bresse chicken). Where we might not match Spanish, is probably the lamb.

Lyon is one of the most important cities for gastronomy, and pork is at the center of their cuisine. French saucissons are unmatched, really. French ham is a bit less strong however.

Yeah British ham beats French ham hands down imo! France is probably better for organic chicken, the Spanish are still a bit behind on those kinds of things i think unfortunately though like i said they do care a lot about the provenance of their Pork with Iberico i think being unrivalled in quality. i enjoy saucisson and a Toulouse sausage but i still think that Chorizo is generally unmatched for sheer flavour. And do the French do anything like the suckling pigs of Northern Spain? https://chowhound3.cbsistatic.com/uploads/6/4/6/249646_dsc02244.jpg

[Samnium]

Yeah British ham beats French ham hands down imo! France is probably better for organic chicken, the Spanish are still a bit behind on those kinds of things i think unfortunately though like i said they do care a lot about the provenance of their Pork with Iberico i think being unrivalled in quality. i enjoy saucisson and a Toulouse sausage but i still think that Chorizo is generally unmatched for sheer flavour. And do the French do anything like the suckling pigs of Northern Spain? https://chowhound3.cbsistatic.com/uploads/6/4/6/249646_dsc02244.jpg

I think you can find this sort of recipe, it was a common dish in royal times, not for the common population however.

I think the strongest area for French with volailles is cows. We have a high quality milk and meat. With many different races : Tarentaise, Charolaise, Aubrac... It's a very important part in french gastronomy.

[Oliver109]

I think you can find this sort of recipe, it was a common dish in royal times, not for the common population however.

I think the strongest area for French with volailles is cows. We have a high quality milk and meat. With many different races : Tarentaise, Charolaise, Aubrac... It's a very important part in french gastronomy.

Maybe, though i think that the way the Spanish cook their beef just means that you can have an ordinary steak but it has been seasoned so well that you just have tons of flavour, unlike in Britain where the quality of the beef comes before seasoning and you can have some very good beef often. I don't know about France that much apart from Boef Bourgignon and steak frites which i find ok but similar sort of to the British preparation but the Spanish Asadors where they grill meat in a hut outside the restaurant are often fantastic.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I don't agree, French meat is renowned. We have lot of chicken "species" with some of them near to extinction in the past (like Bresse chicken). Where we might not match Spanish, is probably the lamb.

Lyon is one of the most important cities for gastronomy, and pork is at the center of their cuisine. French saucissons are unmatched, really. French ham is a bit less strong however.

Italian saucissons/salami/mortadella etc are better and have a wider selection than the french, also the spanish of dark iberian pig are way better, the Jamon and lomo ibérico are unmatched. French ham is also meh, in those type of products Italy and Spain are the best.

French are the best on cheeses, Italy has excellent cheeses also, Portugal also but small artisanal productions, Spain is weak at cheeses...anyway no one can compete with the tremendous variety of all sorts of french cheeses.

French meat is generally of very good quality, the quality of the production is taken very seriously and regulated.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Yeah British ham beats French ham hands down imo! France is probably better for organic chicken, the Spanish are still a bit behind on those kinds of things i think unfortunately though like i said they do care a lot about the provenance of their Pork with Iberico i think being unrivalled in quality. i enjoy saucisson and a Toulouse sausage but i still think that Chorizo is generally unmatched for sheer flavour. And do the French do anything like the suckling pigs of Northern Spain? https://chowhound3.cbsistatic.com/uploads/6/4/6/249646_dsc02244.jpg

That suckling pig is already way to big, must have around 5 kg, to be really good and tender must be still milk fed, aroun, under 3 kg is the ideal. Here it's a great speciality, we have two distinct ways of cooking it and serves with a strong pepper sauce and sparkling wine.

[Oliver109]

That suckling pig is already way to big, must have around 5 kg, to be really good and tender must be still milk fed, aroun, under 3 kg is the ideal. Here it's a great speciality, we have two distinct ways of cooking it and serves with a strong pepper sauce and sparkling wine.

I was gonna say the portion of potatoes is too small! Here in Britain we generally have meat dishes accompanied by a large amount of vegetables, the Spanish do seem more keen on meat i think. It does look really tender and crispy though that pork, what region of Portugal does suckling pig? i know in Spain it is very hard to obtain it in restaurants in Alicante and around the east coast, that region is more about grilled meat i think and the food is quite similar to that of Turkey but with much better sauce and seasoning.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I was gonna say the portion of potatoes is too small! Here in Britain we generally have meat dishes accompanied by a large amount of vegetables, the Spanish do seem more keen on meat i think. It does look really tender and crispy though that pork, what region of Portugal does suckling pig? i know in Spain it is very hard to obtain it in restaurants in Alicante and around the east coast, that region is more about grilled meat i think and the food is quite similar to that of Turkey but with much better sauce and seasoning.

Alicante region similar to Turkish food?! Trolololol...everywhere in Spain pork meat and products are widely consumed, also many fish/seafood dishes wich are a common place all along the mediterranean.

The suckling pig here in a wood fire hoven is typical of Bairrada region (close to Coimbra, center north), also a variant from Negreiros north of Lisbon wich is different because they open the pig and grill it slowly. But restaurants serving Bairrada style pig can be found all over, like in Spain there are Assadores all over.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Dishes cooked in Michelin classified restaurants aren't that uncommon. They are generally speaking dishes that are well known to French population.

French cuisine has simply a variety of them, of pastries, bread, wine, cheese... That can't be matched in any country in the world. I'm not joking, and numbers speak for itself. For instance, there are more than 400 varieties of cheese in France : bleu, tomme de Savoie, roquefort, beaufort, brie, coulommiers... Heck even villages gave to cheese their name (Coulommiers is a village in Normandy...).

It's part of the french gastronomy, and you can't say that there are many countries that have a "tastier" cuisine than ours.

Haute cuisine is somewhat a french invention, and if our cuisine is so bad, why every head of state want french chefs ? Why millions of people come to France also to discover our gastronomy ? I mean, the only country where I've seen that other than France is Italy.

I didn't wrote many countries have tastier cuisine, I wrote half a dozen, but ofc it's a question of taste, I favour stronger flavours/seasoning.

French food is widespread in the upper class circles because it is very presentable (especially haute cuisine) and considered more refined.

But imo, from my experience I generally eat better and for a better quality/price benefit in Portugal, Italy, Spain and Brazil...also I consider Indian food mega tasty although is too heavy to eat it often. xD

[Oliver109]

Alicante region similar to Turkish food?! Trolololol...everywhere in Spain pork meat and products are widely consumed, also many fish/seafood dishes wich are a common place all along the mediterranean.

The suckling pig here in a wood fire hoven is typical of Bairrada region (close to Coimbra, center north), also a variant from Negreiros north of Lisbon wich is different because they open the pig and grill it slowly. But restaurants serving Bairrada style pig can be found all over, like in Spain there are Assadores all over.

The grilled Lamb and beef dishes are very similar in the way they are prepared to the Turkish dishes i have had, the Albondigas in otherwords meatballs in tomato sauce are also quite similar to the Turkish meatballs that are also often served with tomato sauce, that said the Spanish dishes tend to use more garlic which is probably why Spanish food as not caught on as much with the British who are generally averse to garlic!

[Centurion]

Cuisine in Italy and Iberian Peninsula is fine but there's no determinant criteria which allows us to consider that it is significantly better than French cuisine.

Cuisine in the British Isles is mostly shit. Any comparaison between this and French cuisine is just laughable.

[Sebastianus Rex]

The grilled Lamb and beef dishes are very similar in the way they are prepared to the Turkish dishes i have had, the Albondigas in otherwords meatballs in tomato sauce are also quite similar to the Turkish meatballs that are also often served with tomato sauce, that said the Spanish dishes tend to use more garlic which is probably why Spanish food as not caught on as much with the British who are generally averse to garlic!

Well Turkish food is also part of the mediterranean diet, that they share, but they don't use pork and that's a big difference.

[Oliver109]

Cuisine in Italy and Iberian Peninsula is fine but there's no determinant criteria which allows us to consider that it is significantly better than French cuisine.

Cuisine in the British Isles is mostly shit. Any comparaison between this and Frecnh cuisine is just laughable.

Lol were your experiences of British food a microwaved meal in a London pub? i think the British food is very underrated, our cheese is pretty good, our ham is only beaten i think by the hams of Spain and perhaps Italy, our pies are a fantastic choice at this time of the year and we do very good roast meat if we put enough effort into it. Our biscuits and desserts are generally superior except perhaps those produced in France who do very good cakes and tarts i have to say. The only problem i think in Britain is that people don't seem to put much effort into cooking, so most pubs and restaurants could do much better food though thankfully food in restaurants has become better and that is British food i am talking about.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Cuisine in Italy and Iberian Peninsula is fine but there's no determinant criteria which allows us to consider that it is significantly better than French cuisine.

Cuisine in the British Isles is mostly shit. Any comparaison between this and Frecnh cuisine is just laughable.

Objectively no, it's just a matter of taste, all are very rich and varied (French, Italian and Iberian), like oliver wrote many people prefer more subtle flavours (french) and think mediterraneans use too much garlic, onions, seasoning etc.

[hurtuv]

Hurtuv : The 1930 studies show a clearly gap with Southern Europe. And I mean, these studies were conducted with several thousand of people if not more. At
a period where less people had foreign ancestry.

The people on the group clearly DON'T pass as a group as Italian or Spanish, it's not even a matter of pigmentation but features. They are an average classroom, you would find similar pictures in Northern France.

I think that the difference even genetical between Southern (ethnic) and Northern French is very exagerated.

I’m not sure what the French call South of France, is it the half by my vague idea? I was mostly referring to the southernmost third anyway, still Blade’s studies refer to the halves and the conclusion are what they are.
There is also Supercomputer’s eye colour study, also seems reasonable at least, you can see the map in the first page, he said it was a work in progress so idk if he has an improved version somewhere or if he edited the OP an that is the improved version. This one equates Iberia more with the southernmost third of France, so I’ll take conclusions from both.

Supercomputer’s - https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?284957-Light-eyes-map-of-Europe-(detail-scientifically-backed)
On that thread lots of people posted lots of different studies, but I doubt some of those would be as reliable.

Regarding the studies being old or new, neither the difference would be that significant because of recent foreign ancestry; nor should one say that things were “purer” back then in a way (I’m talking about general population here, not individual cases) because given enough time these foreign ancestries become fully native by definition, you don’t have to go as far back as the barbarian invasions to see how this applies; nor, being Portugal and France both countries with extensive colonial pasts and migrations, one should assume they wouldn’t be more or less equally “darkened”, if that was even the case. Also at the bottom of page 40 there :blink:

Do you have the links of the studies you mentioned? I don’t doubt they exist but I’d like to take a look. Still I was mostly referring to comparisons between Iberians and Southern France, not Southern Europe in general, and you can also take conclusions from the differences between Southern Europeans by looking at the Blade’s studies of these countries.
Were they done with the exact same criteria of pigmentation for France and otherwise? If they weren’t done by the same persons I doubt this would be the case, even if they were using the same scales, unless in both cases they had the actual scales with the colours printed right there to compare to people’s hair and eyes, an error is possible. The Blade’s and Supercomputers on the other hand were done by the same guys, their criteria are good, still it could be more or less strict on this or that but he wouldn’t change it from one study to another - so they’re reliable for comparisons.

Of the Portuguese I’m aware of two studies in the early 20th century, both mentioned on the thread of the Blade’s study of the Portuguese I think, both done by some Tamagnini guy, one had a clear surplus of light hair because it used a very slack criteria and/or, I remember reading this somewhere, I was done on kids. The other likely has low numbers compared to reality because of criteria/lighting conditions etc. If these things are not taken into account the blondest guys can be brown haired, at least Portuguese ones xd, just google Ruizinho Furtado and you’ll know what I mean :blink:

Anyone alse enjoying quarentine’s free time to write lengthy replies? :cool:

[Cristiano viejo]

Bah, for every dish he posted I can post a similar portuguese or Spanish dish wich are more tasty.

Bayonne sandwich is ridiculous compared to a good Jamon serrano bocadillo...french ham is not very good, same with that parisian crap

Yes, I noticed that was just jamón serrano... but a la francesa which I guess must be quite worse :rolleyes:



Where the french are very very good imo is on pastries, desserts, cakes
I 100% agreed with this, it is the only part of the gastronomy they are really good.

[hurtuv]

Hurtuv : The 1930 studies show a clearly gap with Southern Europe. And I mean, these studies were conducted with several thousand of people if not more. At
a period where less people had foreign ancestry.

The people on the group clearly DON'T pass as a group as Italian or Spanish, it's not even a matter of pigmentation but features. They are an average classroom, you would find similar pictures in Northern France.

I think that the difference even genetical between Southern (ethnic) and Northern French is very exagerated.

Also, regarding your groups passing here or not, what I call passing is different of the definition of most people here I think, I imagine for instance meeting them inside a bar of a remote interior town with normal clothes and a normal situation, to give you an idea. In my opinion this has a lot more of value than imagining them in a centre of a touristic city taking pictures and with a huge backpack and a rolled up sleeping pad attached xd.

As for a study being more reliable with 10000 vs 1000 people, that might or might not be the case actually, doesn’t seem so at first glance, but would be an interesting topic to analyze, maybe it can provide a partial explanation for the numbers of the Blade’s studies of Irish - who was done with lesser people, so I’ll give you that.

[Cristiano viejo]

And do the French do anything like the suckling pigs of Northern Spain? https://chowhound3.cbsistatic.com/uploads/6/4/6/249646_dsc02244.jpg
Of Northern Spain?? LOL!! since when the cochinillo asado is typical of Northern Spain?? :lol:
Please bitch, go out of this thread and stop talking about Spain, you know nothing about us, it is a shame reading you :laugh:


Spain is weak at cheeses...a
I hope you are joking, since TONS of Spanish cheeses have been, SINCE ALWAYS, among the best of the world with no discussion. They are very renowned.


Alicante region similar to Turkish food?! Trolololol...everywhere in Spain pork meat and products are widely consumed, also many fish/seafood dishes wich are a common place all along the mediterranean.


hahaha xD this Oliverio is really hilarious xD

[Sebastianus Rex]

I hope you are joking, since TONS of Spanish cheeses have been, SINCE ALWAYS, among the best of the world with no discussion. They are very renowned.

D

It's mostly Manchego and it's variants but perhaps you can give some advices.

[Cristiano viejo]

It's mostly Manchego and it's variants but perhaps you can give some advices.
En España tenemos 150 tipos de quesos.
https://www.directoalpaladar.com/actualidad-1/18-mejores-quesos-espanoles-mundo-world-cheese-awards-donde-comprarlos
https://www.abc.es/viajar/gastronomia/abci-estos-26-quesos-espanoles-denominacion-origen-202001200137_noticia.html

[Sebastianus Rex]

En España tenemos 150 tipos de quesos.
https://www.directoalpaladar.com/actualidad-1/18-mejores-quesos-espanoles-mundo-world-cheese-awards-donde-comprarlos
https://www.abc.es/viajar/gastronomia/abci-estos-26-quesos-espanoles-denominacion-origen-202001200137_noticia.html

The Zamorano and cabrales I also knew, now I'm curious about those from Menorca, look good and well "curado", I will look for it. Thanks for the links bro.

[Cristiano viejo]

The Zamorano and cabrales I also knew, now I'm curious about those from Menorca, look good and well "curado", I will look for it. Thanks for the links bro.

Curado is the only one type I like.

[NSXD60]

Speaking of cuisine, I once overhead two men speaking European French at Walmart's about French restaurants, so I introduced myself and asked them what were their favorite haute cuisine restaurants in France, and was told by one that he knew more about crottes cuisines than hautes cuisines because the former were more affordable. Even funnier in Cajun with crotte ("turd") and haute rhyming in -aw-. Incidentally, the h- of haute is still aspirated in Cajun, and cuisine is kiséne, as in "I brought the KEYS IN." Although one would not expect it, a Cajun ("Cadjein") female is not a Cadjeinne, but a Cadjénne, with ending as in kiséne. Exceptions to the rule in all languages.

[Samnium]

I’m not sure what the French call South of France, is it the half by my vague idea? I was mostly referring to the southernmost third anyway, still Blade’s studies refer to the halves and the conclusion are what they are.

South of France begin approximately in Valence. So it's the like 250km inland (or a bit more).


This one equates Iberia more with the southernmost third of France, so I’ll take conclusions from both.

Well, with millions of Italian and Spaniard-descended people in Southern France ... Ethnic provencals are much lighter than Spaniards, facts.


Regarding the studies being old or new, neither the difference would be that significant because of recent foreign ancestry; nor should one say that things were “purer” back then in a way (I’m talking about general population here, not individual cases) because given enough time these foreign ancestries become fully native by definition, you don’t have to go as far back as the barbarian invasions to see how this applies; nor, being Portugal and France both countries with extensive colonial pasts and migrations, one should assume they wouldn’t be more or less equally “darkened”, if that was even the case. Also at the bottom of page 40 there :blink:


It has no sense comparing Portugal and France because France received millions of foreign people in the 20th century : Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Polish... with forgetting extra-euros. At the same time Portugal remained the same. There are many people in Southern France with partial lineages from Southern Europe. And of course this increases the "similarity" between both populations, but unless we are speaking of people that have a fully genealogical tree from Provence...

See inland cities. See people that have only provencal ancestors. They are definitely different from Southern Euros in pigmentation even if genetically they are quite related.



Do you have the links of the studies you mentioned? I don’t doubt they exist but I’d like to take a look. Still I was mostly referring to comparisons between Iberians and Southern France, not Southern Europe in general, and you can also take conclusions from the differences between Southern Europeans by looking at the Blade’s studies of these countries.


If I'm not mistaken it's an old conscript study, made in 1930 so before the mass migrations of the 70s involving many Southern Euros.




Were they done with the exact same criteria of pigmentation for France and otherwise? If they weren’t done by the same persons I doubt this would be the case, even if they were using the same scales, unless in both cases they had the actual scales with the colours printed right there to compare to people’s hair and eyes, an error is possible. The Blade’s and Supercomputers on the other hand were done by the same guys, their criteria are good, still it could be more or less strict on this or that but he wouldn’t change it from one study to another - so they’re reliable for comparisons.


They had several dozens of thousands samples. I don't think it has the same statistical force as Blade and SP studies that involve some hundreds people, and with genealogy not checked other than surname.

[Cristiano viejo]

Well, with millions of Italian and Spaniard-descended people in Southern France ... Ethnic provencals are much lighter than Spaniards, facts.


You wish.