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Pine

01-31-2021, 02:59 AM

https://yfull.com/live/tree/G-FGC1093/

When YFull updates, the common ancestor between Ashkenazi Jews and Ossetians and Kumyks should be estimated at about 1100 years ago - time of the Khazar Empire. Credit goes to leorcooper19 from Anthrogenica for spotting it. Its members make up an estimated 0.22% of Ashkenazi Jews (almost exclusively Litvaks), but enjoy.

Longbowman

01-31-2021, 03:03 AM

WE WUZ STEPPE WARRIORS

Dirdepo

01-31-2021, 03:12 AM

Is already known Bulgars took Khazars as slaves. But also Sviatoslav took many slaves from Atil:

Visitor to Atil wrote soon after Sviatoslav's campaign: "The Rus' attacked, and no grape or raisin remained, not a leaf on a branch."

Dirdepo

01-31-2021, 03:13 AM

WE WUZ STEPPE WARRIORS

Your fantasy is not reality, if you were that why you get ran off the steppe in WW2? History repeats itself..

Longbowman

01-31-2021, 03:23 AM

Your fantasy is not reality, if you were that why you get ran off the steppe in WW2? History repeats itself..

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mejnpu26Rm1rqfhi2o1_500.gif

Another low-IQ goy guy.

Dirdepo

01-31-2021, 03:27 AM

I never met an Italian sniper, unless idk is uncle Meyer Lansky Italian?

Pine

01-31-2021, 08:47 PM

bump for Turan

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-01-2021, 03:40 PM

aShkEnAzI aRE kHAzAr cOnvErTs bRo tHeY aRe fAke sLaViC, gErmAniC, kHazaARIAn ArYAn cOnvErTs wITh nO cOnNecTIOn tO jEwS At aLl

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804426390933340230/West_Eruasian_Genetic_cluster.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804426219097161738/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/805624839842430976/unknown.png
https://forward.com/opinion/382967/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazars-heres-the-proof/

What Khazars would have looked like
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OLA3eiG1Tw8/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZaGgb1TTFWw/maxresdefault.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b5462a9bc5dd53e8021df22d9b8245a3
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6eed0b29d8df32f316d6fd972c87b71f-c

Ashkenazi Jews

https://i.imgur.com/CK5pAOL.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804425651183419402/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804437281292943396/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804427461999329290/main-qimg-069a465403b46d5125a8006b549b9ece.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804431982582562826/main-qimg-286dfe0ff2f4606dc499bfe64becec5d.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804432018376097842/main-qimg-f6be7eb661c593a1e592e679296dbfef.png
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/thousands-of-ultraorthodox-ashkenazi-jews-gather-in-a-sports-arena-in-picture-id466426592?s=594x594
https://images.forwardcdn.com/image/1090x480/center/images/cropped/gettyimages-682357700-1527884034.jpg
https://www.history.com/.image/ar_16:9%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_fa ces:center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_768/MTYxMTE4NDU5NzQ3Mzc4MzUw/danish-jewish-refugees-gettyimages-3319711.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-09ae079363e4ffcfa2045e29c3284fc0
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cc7d83956934a60f41d4482413ef5ff6
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85136ae48a658a902773428b94d20dac
https://jewishgenetichealth.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/chani21.jpg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5260732ac3e4428243e57105609ad34d
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/795127024096247828/Ashkenazi_Jewish_People_10.png
https://images.medicaldaily.com/sites/medicaldaily.com/files/2013/10/08/most-ashkenazi-genetic-heritage-derives-european-sources.jpg
https://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.5625938.1515344760!/image/1018316866.jpg_gen/derivatives/headline_1200x630/1018316866.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/795127024096247828/Ashkenazi_Jewish_People_10.png
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e872ff4a354ff2710c249075ec52a609
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/797978648862654495/805633470415765514/unknown.png

Levantine People (Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians etc) resembling Ashkenazi Jews

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9b968326c8fc7830e2c2dd429427aff2.webp
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1b36a28024abeb8d6a76604acf2a67a0
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d73b3525f5e4e106371e1c1dd05454af
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ad5cae47dd57a9fbc14153c35f723790
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dce33488033ca2d53db2aaebc3b88324
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.uIdF9qDNQJSQt2PL14z_oQHaEg?pid=Api&rs=1
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R647612b918e30957a3f5136b27033b49?rik=5TGljrB8%2f% 2fz%2brw&riu=http%3a%2f%2ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2f4074%2f 4897114391_43d9dfeb46_b.jpg&ehk=VRPPuWPD%2fqzrSM0EUbMHwZbZB4l49uurq%2fhYrZBPd9 0%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgjpz2JUgAAYgoB.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R2e7d6db9c29c8c4bb0453209c435008b?rik=uqdDOBksCrtJ oA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.catholicsun.org%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2018%2f12%2fLEBANON-HOLIDAY-CHEER-22789-CNS1024x768.jpg&ehk=9EriSKAzE1Ye6NzMCiOCorU8Lh1hqee53hJjqTPuQV4%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R92d986a0a9752da519511b19e4ba1919?rik=xWLmzSZMjThF ow&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcdn.newsapi.com.au%2fimage%2fv1%2 f8740e5f59ed9e4ea451eb52fde529ce8%3fwidth%3d650&ehk=ADaFB%2bduN1AkbfgMWmD%2bZLbIIRIztQ%2bIHRfh3NPf cg0%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/FECYTP/students-from-the-american-university-in-beirut-lebanon-carry-a-picture-FECYTP.jpg
http://assafir.com/Medias/Photos//2014/800x600/8f42bcb0-3951-48d3-a08e-737573bb545a.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B8RM3B/miami-florida-our-lady-of-lebanon-maronite-catholic-church-lebanese-B8RM3B.jpg
http://www.lau.edu.lb/news-events/news/archive/from_a_clean_slate_to_lavish_v/graphic-design-exhibits08-08-big.jpg
http://sard.lau.edu.lb/news/images/ruth_maalouf_2009.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C96CHP/three-young-students-on-the-campus-of-the-american-university-of-beirut-C96CHP.jpg
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/10/000_1LK3RI.jpg
https://www.the961.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/f32f7d95fd8ca3b199f3353e0ec4ad63559e3d9b_1200x630. jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R1c1d9f9ed766f52453a84581c54e9501?rik=AYVrOmnKezpd xg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.middleeasteye.net%2fsites%2fd efault%2ffiles%2fimages-story%2flebanonsolidarity_0.jpg&ehk=bGFrlrHZEZJQqEjhF05b9yCCj7Ucoy%2bYSQHUDsh99iY% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/22/c5/2c22c504ee6b9b2b4933f7384fe55723.jpg

This Youtuber, Dew Binsky also known as Drew Goldberg is an Ashkenazi Jew from Germany, his features look no different to these Syrian Children who have redhair like he does.

https://i.redd.it/cete1stnpqz31.jpg

There you have it Ashkenazi are evidently semitic.

Pine

02-01-2021, 05:04 PM

aShkEnAzI aRE kHAzAr cOnvErTs bRo tHeY aRe fAke sLaViC, gErmAniC, kHazaARIAn ArYAn cOnvErTs wITh nO cOnNecTIOn tO jEwS At aLl

There you have it Ashkenazi are evidently semitic.

You're going too hard. Few people in the west buy into it. Also, Khazars weren't Aryan, though I bet this lineage was Alan (Iranian-speaking), if that counts. The TA perspective on Iranians being Aryan is probably selective - Aryan when citing their accomplishments, non-Aryan when it comes to them immigrating.

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-01-2021, 06:26 PM

You're going too hard. Few people in the west buy into it. Also, Khazars weren't Aryan, though I bet this lineage was Alan (Iranian-speaking), if that counts. The TA perspective on Iranians being Aryan is probably selective - Aryan when citing their accomplishments, non-Aryan when it comes to them immigrating.

I know Khazars weren't Aryan, I never openly said they were. I was making fun of people that do. How am I going too far into it? I've literally got into 9 million arguments with Fascists accusing me of being a Khazar convert. I've encountered it too many times and I get sick and tired of it. Khazars would have looked Turkic which are the examples I posted.

Pine

02-01-2021, 07:07 PM

How am I going too far into it? I've literally got into 9 million arguments with Fascists accusing me of being a Khazar convert. I've encountered it too many times and I get sick and tired of it.

Don't get into 9 million arguments with fascists.

Unknown European

02-02-2021, 02:54 PM

Saying Ashkenazi Jews are Khazarian converts is against logic and the actual definition of a convert. Some retards seem to think that if your ancestors converted that it somehow means you are a convert even when you were born into the same religion and held the same religious beliefs your whole life you are still somehow a convert. For example it is like saying if you were born into a Christian family and have been a Christian your entire life however you can't trace your lineage to Jesus or his 12 disciples then you must be a convert to Christianity.

The retard logic of it all :picard2:

Unknown European

02-02-2021, 02:56 PM

I have seen another paternal lineage I think with one or two Ashkenazi Jews that may have had a TMRCA of around 2000 years with some Chechens

Pine

02-02-2021, 07:04 PM

I have seen another paternal lineage I think with one or two Ashkenazi Jews that may have had a TMRCA of around 2000 years with some Chechens

2000 years isn't necessarily Khazar. Mind finding the lineage?

Pine

02-02-2021, 07:05 PM

AJS are hittite converts.

BASED AND REDPILLED

Figaro

02-02-2021, 07:35 PM

Radimir

02-02-2021, 07:38 PM

Ashkenazi Jews are not Khazar converts. Wasn't this not debunked ages ago? There are too many genetic findings, one can look up to show that Jews descend from the Levant.

Pine

02-02-2021, 07:49 PM

So, a portion of Ashkenazim might have something Alanic as well as Kymchyk-like? Haven’t really had time to read this and I have a migraine today.:(

Edit: oops, thought this was a related-but-different thread on the topic.

Alans =/= Krymchaks. Krymchaks seem to be typically Jewish autosomally. I've seen their 23andMe results. Hard to say what % of Ashkenazim have that guy as an ancestor somewhere in their tree, as we don't know the age of the Ashkenazi subclade.

Pine

02-02-2021, 07:53 PM

Ashkenazi Jews are not Khazar converts. Wasn't this not debunked ages ago? There are too many genetic findings, one can look up to show that Jews descend from the Levant.

We all can make some room for Turan.

Unknown European

02-02-2021, 08:13 PM

2000 years isn't necessarily Khazar. Mind finding the lineage?

This may have been the lineage I was remembering. A family with the surname Margolis from Luchynets' in Ukraine have this line

https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1013/

Dirdepo

02-02-2021, 09:14 PM

Target: Krymchak
Distance: 3.12239% / 3.122394456
25.4 Norway_north
23.4 Karelian
14.4 Sephardi_Jews
12.0 Tunisia
10.4 Uyghur
6.6 Tabassaran
3.6 Biaka_Pygmy
2.0 Luhya_Kenya
1.6 Punjabi_IND
0.6 Naxi-SW-China

Target: Katz-Artenstein
Distance: 3.7927% / 3.79274999
45.1 Armenian
36.0 French
14.1 Mozabite
2.5 Mawasi
2.0 Nganasan
0.3 San

You have more Indian DNA than Turkic lmao, how much Turkic DNA in the Armenian or French or Mozabite? Lmao

Longbowman

02-02-2021, 09:17 PM

You have more Indian DNA than Turkic lmao, how much Turkic DNA in the Armenian or French or Mozabite? Lmao

You're still not getting it.

RicoSuave

02-02-2021, 09:24 PM

You're still not getting it.

105798

Longbowman

02-02-2021, 09:38 PM

105798

Khazar + Han = 100% mongoloid, racial purity.

Pine

02-02-2021, 10:51 PM

Pine

02-02-2021, 10:59 PM

This may have been the lineage I was remembering. A family with the surname Margolis from Luchynets' in Ukraine have this line

https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1013/

That branch is likely Slavic>Ashkenazi.

Unknown European

02-03-2021, 05:48 AM

That branch is likely Slavic>Ashkenazi.

That branch is likely Slavic>Ashkenazi.

Likely it is is East Slavic. However I do feel that I saw another line shared with people who identified their paternal ancestors as Chechens speakers and not just from Chechnya.

Here is a Geni profile for what appears to be an ethnic Ukrainian or Ukrainian Cossack lineage with the haplogroup R-YP1013 their surname Liubozhenko is probably derived from the town Liubotyn in Kharkiv according to wiki the city was established in 1650 by Ukrainian Cossacks from the right-bank Ukraine.

https://www.geni.com/people/Afanasy-Liubozhenko/6000000126498747821?through=6000000126470020005

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-03-2021, 12:57 PM

Ashkenazi Jews are not Khazar converts. Wasn't this not debunked ages ago? There are too many genetic findings, one can look up to show that Jews descend from the Levant.

It was indeed debunked years ago, but many Anti-Semites and Palestinian Arabs like to call us Khazars still and that we're "Europeans", yeah Ashkenazi are European in the sense that we lived in Europe after being exiled, but I'll tell you what the only European admixture we have is from the South mainly (Italy/Greece) and minor admixture from (Slavs or Germanics) We're basically predominately Levantine in our DNA no matter what anyone may think about that, those are actual statistics that anthropologists and genetic researchers all agree with. What's interesting is that Khazars were a Turkic tribe so how can we be European converts? It doesn't add up, this shit is retarded. But then there are many that say we're just Slavic converts which is laughable, 99% of us could walk through Poland and be called a European Invader which unsurprisingly historically happened.

Most sources have different attributions to how European we are in genetics but most sources agree that we're at least either a quarter or half which means we're predominately still Levantine.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742272895253741692/806324957973970994/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742272895253741692/806155091643334716/StBUQuU.png
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R9cc8d83084809636f910c573bb7a0242?rik=H%2bNNzDOFMY qFxw&riu=http%3a%2f%2f2.bp.blogspot.com%2f-SWueSFGZFMU%2fVVSsRNJFE9I%2fAAAAAAAACk0%2fiPXJBA3e mQw%2fs1600%2fUntitled.png&ehk=GynfVFfrNnVrTY%2bqJnB0ln50hlyI%2fnrkIyVBM3Gfcb 4%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/805624311192223784/unknown.png

Unknown European

02-03-2021, 01:00 PM

It was indeed debunked years ago, but many Anti-Semites and Palestinian Arabs like to call us Khazars still and that we're "Europeans", yeah Ashkenazi are European in the sense that we lived in Europe after being exiled, but I'll tell you what the only European admixture we have is from the South mainly (Italy/Greece) and minor admixture from (Slavs or Germanics) We're basically predominately Levantine in our DNA no matter what anyone may think about that, those are actual statistics that anthropologists and genetic researchers all agree with. What's interesting is that Khazars were a Turkic tribe so how can we be European converts? It doesn't add up, this shit is retarded. But then there are many that say we're just Slavic converts which is laughable, 99% of us could walk through Poland and be called a European Invader which unsurprisingly historically happened.

Most sources have different attributions to how European we are in genetics but most sources agree that we're at least either a quarter or half which means we're predominately still Levantine.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742272895253741692/806324957973970994/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742272895253741692/806155091643334716/StBUQuU.png
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R9cc8d83084809636f910c573bb7a0242?rik=H%2bNNzDOFMY qFxw&riu=http%3a%2f%2f2.bp.blogspot.com%2f-SWueSFGZFMU%2fVVSsRNJFE9I%2fAAAAAAAACk0%2fiPXJBA3e mQw%2fs1600%2fUntitled.png&ehk=GynfVFfrNnVrTY%2bqJnB0ln50hlyI%2fnrkIyVBM3Gfcb 4%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/805624311192223784/unknown.png

I think we are mainly around
45% Near Eastern (mostly specific to Levant)
45% Southern European (mostly specific to Italy and Southern France)
10% Northern European (mostly specific to our historical neighbors once we became "Ashkenazi" or between Northern France and Western Russia)

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-03-2021, 01:19 PM

Unknown European

02-03-2021, 01:28 PM

Abriekman

02-03-2021, 01:50 PM

I think we are mainly around
45% Near Eastern (mostly specific to Levant)
45% Southern European (mostly specific to Italy and Southern France)
10% Northern European (mostly specific to our historical neighbors once we became "Ashkenazi" or between Northern France and Western Russia)
Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
Distance: 1.1851% / 0.01185087
59.0 Middle_Eastern
21.2 Italian_Iron_Age
19.8 Eastern_European

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 1.4196% / 0.01419578
64.2 Middle_Eastern
22.8 Eastern_European
13.0 Italian_Iron_Age

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
Distance: 1.0613% / 0.01061278
63.2 Middle_Eastern
18.8 Eastern_European
18.0 Italian_Iron_Age

Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
Distance: 1.2314% / 0.01231383
62.6 Middle_Eastern
19.2 Eastern_European
18.2 Italian_Iron_Age

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
Distance: 0.6304% / 0.00630411
66.4 Middle_Eastern
26.0 Italian_Iron_Age
7.6 Eastern_European

Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
Distance: 1.0863% / 0.01086313
61.0 Middle_Eastern
22.2 Italian_Iron_Age
16.8 Eastern_European

Target: Romaniote_Jew
Distance: 0.4876% / 0.00487555
78.4 Middle_Eastern
18.6 Italian_Iron_Age
3.0 Eastern_European

Target: Sephardic_Jew
Distance: 1.0411% / 0.01041051
78.4 Middle_Eastern
16.4 Italian_Iron_Age
5.2 Eastern_European

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-03-2021, 03:02 PM

Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
Distance: 1.1851% / 0.01185087
59.0 Middle_Eastern
21.2 Italian_Iron_Age
19.8 Eastern_European

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 1.4196% / 0.01419578
64.2 Middle_Eastern
22.8 Eastern_European
13.0 Italian_Iron_Age

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
Distance: 1.0613% / 0.01061278
63.2 Middle_Eastern
18.8 Eastern_European
18.0 Italian_Iron_Age

Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
Distance: 1.2314% / 0.01231383
62.6 Middle_Eastern
19.2 Eastern_European
18.2 Italian_Iron_Age

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
Distance: 0.6304% / 0.00630411
66.4 Middle_Eastern
26.0 Italian_Iron_Age
7.6 Eastern_European

Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
Distance: 1.0863% / 0.01086313
61.0 Middle_Eastern
22.2 Italian_Iron_Age
16.8 Eastern_European

Target: Romaniote_Jew
Distance: 0.4876% / 0.00487555
78.4 Middle_Eastern
18.6 Italian_Iron_Age
3.0 Eastern_European

Target: Sephardic_Jew
Distance: 1.0411% / 0.01041051
78.4 Middle_Eastern
16.4 Italian_Iron_Age
5.2 Eastern_European

Somewhat accurate. I have another kind of genetic thing to show, this is like a genetic distance thing, it doesn't really show "What people are" what you showed. This one shows where Ashkenazi's cluster/what they are similar to, here it is.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/806554995801587762/unknown.png

This is the same thing but only a coloured version of it, here you can see they barely cluster in the European zone which is only with Greek Islanders and Scillians.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804426390933340230/West_Eruasian_Genetic_cluster.png

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-03-2021, 03:07 PM

When It comes to the very few minor lineages in Ashkenazi Jews that appear to perhaps have East Slavic, Turkic, North Caucasus, or Uralic origins I think we should take note in the fact that there were Subbotniks who had gone to the Pale of Settlement to get the full "Jewish experience" and some did intermarry with the Ashkenazi. I know very little about Subbotniks however. This Ashkenazi line is also interesting

https://yfull.com/live/tree/G-FT9681/
https://jewishdna.net/AB-061.html

Yes that is quite interesting and I agree with that, especially if you look at some of our haplogroups. Turkic influence is present, mainly the Q which perhaps insinuates very minor admixture with some Khazarians and G which also insinuates minor admixture with some people from that region. But this is hyper and I mean hyper small admixture

https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rcce993be3714d1a9df20ea7223fec159?rik=CHxdTkVNXnuK NA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fspeakfamily.files.wordpress.com%2 f2014%2f02%2fashkenazi-jewish-breakdown-cropped.png&ehk=0cRWVrJs68XcZuPtDk0P%2flkX5tcvDnyeGrffWIVwfvA% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw

Unknown European

02-03-2021, 03:40 PM

Yes that is quite interesting and I agree with that, especially if you look at some of our haplogroups. Turkic influence is present, mainly the Q which perhaps insinuates very minor admixture with some Khazarians and G which also insinuates minor admixture with some people from that region. But this is hyper and I mean hyper small admixture

https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rcce993be3714d1a9df20ea7223fec159?rik=CHxdTkVNXnuK NA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fspeakfamily.files.wordpress.com%2 f2014%2f02%2fashkenazi-jewish-breakdown-cropped.png&ehk=0cRWVrJs68XcZuPtDk0P%2flkX5tcvDnyeGrffWIVwfvA% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw

Which haplogroup Q subclade do you propose has Turkic origins? The only branch of haplogroup Q found in Ashkenazi Jews is Q-Y2200 and it is definitely not Turkic in origin. Is there another branch of haplogroup Q that has been found in Ashkenazi Jews that you are proposing is of Turkic or Khazarian origin?. Q-Y2200 is probably of Near Eastern origin or maybe Southern/Western European origin.

Smeagol

02-03-2021, 03:56 PM

Most sources have different attributions to how European we are in genetics but most sources agree that we're at least either a quarter or half which means we're predominately still Levantine.

Why do you keep saying "we" when you're half British/Irish? You're far from being predominantly Levantine. And if Jews are approximately half Levantine, that doesn't equate to being predominantly so, either.

Pine

02-03-2021, 05:41 PM

When It comes to the very few minor lineages in Ashkenazi Jews that appear to perhaps have East Slavic, Turkic, North Caucasus, or Uralic origins I think we should take note in the fact that there were Subbotniks who had gone to the Pale of Settlement to get the full "Jewish experience" and some did intermarry with the Ashkenazi. I know very little about Subbotniks however. This Ashkenazi line is also interesting

https://yfull.com/live/tree/G-FT9681/
https://jewishdna.net/AB-061.html

Subbotniks going to the Pale is unheard of - as such was suicidal. Got a source?

However, that G line could be Alan or something like that. Current gap leaves it open. Could be Khazar era Alan/Caucasian. Could be Judean. There is actually a Egyptian either close to the clade or a bit upstream. We also know that Caucasian lineages made it to the Levant fairly late from Haber et al. Of course, the Egyptian could have a distant Circassian ancestor, but he doesn't show Caucasian autosomally. This could also be from a Bosporan convert. Jews were present in the Bosporan Kingdom. That lineage also occurs at 0.2-0.3% and I'm guessing its spread is largely Litvak.

Pine

02-03-2021, 05:45 PM

Why do you keep saying "we" when you're half British/Irish? You're far from being predominantly Levantine. And if Jews are approximately half Levantine, that doesn't equate to being predominantly so, either.

The projection is strong. Jews either way aren't ethnic Europeans and part Jews aren't either - they're mixed.

Pine

02-03-2021, 05:49 PM

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-03-2021, 06:11 PM

Which haplogroup Q subclade do you propose has Turkic origins? The only branch of haplogroup Q found in Ashkenazi Jews is Q-Y2200 and it is definitely not Turkic in origin. Is there another branch of haplogroup Q that has been found in Ashkenazi Jews that you are proposing is of Turkic or Khazarian origin?. Q-Y2200 is probably of Near Eastern origin or maybe Southern/Western European origin.

I didn't look into the Q subclades, that's my bad actually. I actually only assumed Q was of Turkic origin given the fact how it is found in a location where some Turkics lived but yes I know that's not how haplogroups work. Eitherway though if that's not even a Turkic sub-clade then I guess that's a good thing.

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-03-2021, 06:12 PM

The projection is strong. Jews either way aren't ethnic Europeans and part Jews aren't either - they're mixed.

My mother is a Jew which makes me a Jew no matter what, despite me being half Goyim. You inherit your Jewish status from your mother, yes I'm aware I'm mixed but I just identify as Jewish since what's what I see myself as.

Smeagol

02-03-2021, 06:18 PM

The projection is strong. Jews either way aren't ethnic Europeans and part Jews aren't either - they're mixed.

It still bothers you that you're closer to an Italian than a Lebanese.

Pine

02-03-2021, 06:23 PM

It still bothers you that you're closer to an Italian than a Lebanese.

If you get your crowd to accept me as an Italian, let me know.

Longbowman

02-03-2021, 06:43 PM

My mother is a Jew which makes me a Jew no matter what, despite me being half Goyim. You inherit your Jewish status from your mother, yes I'm aware I'm mixed but I just identify as Jewish since what's what I see myself as.

goy or goyisch, goyim is the plural

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-03-2021, 09:39 PM

goy or goyisch, goyim is the plural

Shit, thank you for correcting me my dear brother.

Richmondbread

02-04-2021, 01:44 AM

Yep. Ashkenazim are fake Jews. Synagogue of Satan.

Longbowman

02-04-2021, 01:53 AM

Yep. Ashkenazim are fake Jews. Synagogue of Satan.

Well you would know, as an Ashkenazi.

Richmondbread

02-04-2021, 01:57 AM

Well you would know, as an Ashkenazi.

Nope. No Jews on my family tree. Some DNA test run by Jews is not going to convince me otherwise.

Unknown European

02-04-2021, 02:29 PM

Nope. No Jews on my family tree. Some DNA test run by Jews is not going to convince me otherwise.

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 0.1%% / 0.01
75.1 AshkeNazi_Juden
12.6 Senegalese Negroid
12.3 German Whore

Yes AshkeNazi Juden with a grandaddy who was a Rhineland bastard.

These were your ancestors you wanted us to classify
1. Your daddy
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/03/15/nyregion/15magachurch0001/15magachurch0001-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg
https://d2c13moo8u717n.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/03/06084055/Rabbi-Jonathan-Cahn.png
2. Your great grand daddy
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Blaise_Diagne-1921.jpg/220px-Blaise_Diagne-1921.jpg

Abriekman

02-04-2021, 03:22 PM

Somewhat accurate. I have another kind of genetic thing to show, this is like a genetic distance thing, it doesn't really show "What people are" what you showed. This one shows where Ashkenazi's cluster/what they are similar to, here it is.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/806554995801587762/unknown.png

This is the same thing but only a coloured version of it, here you can see they barely cluster in the European zone which is only with Greek Islanders and Scillians.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773595554927738920/804426390933340230/West_Eruasian_Genetic_cluster.png

Distance is bad to these populations on image you showed, because Ashkenazi Jews are already mixed ethnicity, compare with model I posted. I see Sicilians, Maltese after Ashkenazi and they aren't fully Middle Eastern

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-05-2021, 02:46 PM

Well you would know, as an Ashkenazi.

I'm in a discord server with him, me and my friends make fun of him because he copes about his Ashkenazi results and say that it's all a hoax or a lie. And that he claims the reason why he got Ashkenazi is because it confused the Ashkenazi for Native American because Ashkenazi are Khazars according to his logic :picard2: LMFAO

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-05-2021, 02:48 PM

Distance is bad to these populations on image you showed, because Ashkenazi Jews are already mixed ethnicity, compare with model I posted. I see Sicilians, Maltese after Ashkenazi and they aren't fully Middle Eastern

Oh no no no sir you are wrong. Why are you wrong? notice where they cluster, they cluster where Scillians, Maltese and Greek Islanders cluster especially on the coloured map it shows it perfectly. Scillians, Greek Islanders and Maltese score a lot of West Asian and North African on GEDMATCH and on other DNA shit, just like Ashkenazi Jews. It shows that they're essentially mixed European mixed WENA, so no that is accurate.

Also one thing you understand the distance thing you showed is not the same as mine, that shows their admixture within various people. My one shows what they genetically are similar to, not what their genetic makeup is. Just to clear that up

Longbowman

02-05-2021, 02:49 PM

I'm in a discord server with him, me and my friends make fun of him because he copes about his Ashkenazi results and say that it's all a hoax or a lie. And that he claims the reason why he got Ashkenazi is because it confused the Ashkenazi for Native American because Ashkenazi are Khazars according to his logic :picard2: LMFAO

Yes, he's been saying that for years.

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-05-2021, 02:51 PM

Target: Richmondbread
Distance: 0.1%% / 0.01
75.1 AshkeNazi_Juden
12.6 Senegalese Negroid
12.3 German Whore

Yes AshkeNazi Juden with a grandaddy who was a Rhineland bastard.

These were your ancestors you wanted us to classify
1. Your daddy
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/03/15/nyregion/15magachurch0001/15magachurch0001-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg
https://d2c13moo8u717n.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/03/06084055/Rabbi-Jonathan-Cahn.png
2. Your great grand daddy
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Blaise_Diagne-1921.jpg/220px-Blaise_Diagne-1921.jpg

He copes so hard it's unbelievable.

Abriekman

02-05-2021, 03:17 PM

Oh no no no sir you are wrong. Why are you wrong? notice where they cluster, they cluster where Scillians, Maltese and Greek Islanders cluster especially on the coloured map it shows it perfectly. Scillians, Greek Islanders and Maltese score a lot of West Asian and North African on GEDMATCH and on other DNA shit, just like Ashkenazi Jews. It shows that they're essentially mixed European mixed WENA, so no that is accurate.

Also one thing you understand the distance thing you showed is not the same as mine, that shows their admixture within various people. My one shows what they genetically are similar to, not what their genetic makeup is. Just to clear that up

Ashkenazi Jews are the most similiar to Maltese and Sicilians, because they are basically Western Asian and Southern European admix ,Ashkenazim are mostly Middle Eastern, there are no Levantine populations, that have additional Eastern European and Iron Age Italian admixture, so they can not be similiar to other ethnicities, this the thing

Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
Distance: 0.9433% / 0.00943350
41.8 Italian_Lombardy
22.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
13.4 Lebanese_Christian
9.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
8.2 Polish
4.0 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 1.2297% / 0.01229745
41.0 Italian_Lombardy
26.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
18.6 Lebanese_Muslim
8.0 Polish
5.6 Lebanese_Christian

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
Distance: 0.9436% / 0.00943596
40.6 Italian_Lombardy
20.4 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
19.8 Lebanese_Christian
7.0 Polish
6.2 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
3.4 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
2.6 Lebanese_Muslim

Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
Distance: 1.1939% / 0.01193895
34.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
34.6 Italian_Lombardy
20.2 Lebanese_Christian
10.4 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
Distance: 1.2779% / 0.01277871
42.2 Lebanese_Christian
40.8 Italian_Lombardy
15.2 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
1.8 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
Distance: 1.1448% / 0.01144812
38.8 Italian_Lombardy
31.6 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
20.4 Lebanese_Christian
9.2 Polish

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-05-2021, 03:37 PM

Ashkenazi Jews are the most similiar to Maltese and Sicilians, because they are basically Western Asian and Southern European admix ,Ashkenazim are mostly Middle Eastern, there are no Levantine populations, that have additional Eastern European and Iron Age Italian admixture, so they can not be similiar to other ethnicities, this the thing

Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
Distance: 0.9433% / 0.00943350
41.8 Italian_Lombardy
22.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
13.4 Lebanese_Christian
9.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
8.2 Polish
4.0 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 1.2297% / 0.01229745
41.0 Italian_Lombardy
26.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
18.6 Lebanese_Muslim
8.0 Polish
5.6 Lebanese_Christian

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
Distance: 0.9436% / 0.00943596
40.6 Italian_Lombardy
20.4 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
19.8 Lebanese_Christian
7.0 Polish
6.2 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
3.4 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
2.6 Lebanese_Muslim

Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
Distance: 1.1939% / 0.01193895
34.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
34.6 Italian_Lombardy
20.2 Lebanese_Christian
10.4 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
Distance: 1.2779% / 0.01277871
42.2 Lebanese_Christian
40.8 Italian_Lombardy
15.2 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
1.8 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
Distance: 1.1448% / 0.01144812
38.8 Italian_Lombardy
31.6 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
20.4 Lebanese_Christian
9.2 Polish

That's literally what I just said....but you still don't get it. Because they're mixed between so many things they have a GENETIC CLUSTERING REGION so you're wrong, you can pretty much still place them on a genetic similarity spectrum due to their overall admixture eg: East med_ north atlantic_west_asian etc. It's related to GEDMATCH and G25 so they are genetically similar to Scillians and Greek Islanders because Scillians and Greek Islanders are mixed European and WENA like Ashkenazi, all be it Ashkenazi have more WENA than Scillians and Greek Islanders and they have more "Minor Slavic" which just about clusters them within the European region, however this doesn't mean Ashkenazi are European. Our origin is still the Middle East and despite us practically. being Half European, it doesn't mean we're "European".

Abriekman

02-05-2021, 04:12 PM

That's literally what I just said....but you still don't get it. Because they're mixed between so many things they have a GENETIC CLUSTERING REGION so you're wrong, you can pretty much still place them on a genetic similarity spectrum due to their overall admixture eg: East med_ north atlantic_west_asian etc. It's related to GEDMATCH and G25 so they are genetically similar to Scillians and Greek Islanders because Scillians and Greek Islanders are mixed European and WENA like Ashkenazi, all be it Ashkenazi have more WENA than Scillians and Greek Islanders and they have more "Minor Slavic" which just about clusters them within the European region, however this doesn't mean Ashkenazi are European. Our origin is still the Middle East and despite us practically. being Half European, it doesn't mean we're "European".

Where did I say Ashkenazi are European?
Why do you say we? You are more European, than West Asian

Pine

02-05-2021, 04:15 PM

Let's not derail this. This is about muh Turan.

Smeagol

02-05-2021, 04:50 PM

Ashkenazi Jews are the most similiar to Maltese and Sicilians, because they are basically Western Asian and Southern European admix ,Ashkenazim are mostly Middle Eastern, there are no Levantine populations, that have additional Eastern European and Iron Age Italian admixture, so they can not be similiar to other ethnicities, this the thing

Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
Distance: 0.9433% / 0.00943350
41.8 Italian_Lombardy
22.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
13.4 Lebanese_Christian
9.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
8.2 Polish
4.0 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 1.2297% / 0.01229745
41.0 Italian_Lombardy
26.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
18.6 Lebanese_Muslim
8.0 Polish
5.6 Lebanese_Christian

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
Distance: 0.9436% / 0.00943596
40.6 Italian_Lombardy
20.4 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
19.8 Lebanese_Christian
7.0 Polish
6.2 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
3.4 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
2.6 Lebanese_Muslim

Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
Distance: 1.1939% / 0.01193895
34.8 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
34.6 Italian_Lombardy
20.2 Lebanese_Christian
10.4 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
Distance: 1.2779% / 0.01277871
42.2 Lebanese_Christian
40.8 Italian_Lombardy
15.2 Lebanese_Muslim_Sunni
1.8 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
Distance: 1.1448% / 0.01144812
38.8 Italian_Lombardy
31.6 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
20.4 Lebanese_Christian
9.2 Polish

You can clearly see from these results that with the exception of German Jews, Ashkenazi are around half European (40% North Italian + 10% East European, give or take a bit). Their admixture proportions are more similar to Greek Islanders, Sicilians and Maltese than any Levantines.

StonyArabia

02-05-2021, 05:52 PM

Ashkenazim are largely descendant of Levantine males and European females. The Khazar origin has debunked. Dna shows that Ashkenazim are very closely related to Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews, and Palestinians. There might be some distant Khazar admix but there many theories that the Khazars are in fact the ancestors of the Cossacks, and probably that most likely. Ashkenazim originated in the diaspora of 70 A.D. Even Yiddish which is the language that Ashkenazim speak shows traces of Semitic, rather than Turkic or Slavic. The thirteen tribe is indeed an interesting book, from a historical point of view but DNA evidence shows otherwise. The Khazar conversion did occur, and Sephardic missionaries spread the faith. The exotic Ashkenazi often tend to be swarthy and Arab looking, some looking Levantine well the extreme exotic among them can even look Arabian peninsular in very rare cases, thus indicating their Middle Eastern rather than Turko-Caucasian/Iranic origins. Their culture and traditions clearly show a Semitic attitude and origins.

The Slavic, pre-Slavic Eastern European, or Turko-Caucasian DNA has been seen in some traces, through intermarriage conversion.This is very important to state this. So Ashkenazim are largely the cousins of most of Arabs today and the brothers of Palestinians. As most Palestinians are descendants of locals who never left but intermixed with Arabs.

Abriekman

02-05-2021, 06:22 PM

You can clearly see from these results that with the exception of German Jews, Ashkenazi are around half European (40% North Italian + 10% East European, give or take a bit). Their admixture proportions are more similar to Greek Islanders, Sicilians and Maltese than any Levantines.

This depends how to model them, North Italians have 25% Levant-related admixture and some WANA got absorbed into it, so Ashkenazi Jews are about 65% West Asian + 25% Southern European + 10% Polish, Polish because they got Eastern European admixture, when entered Polish lands

Smeagol

02-05-2021, 06:38 PM

This depends how to model them, North Italians have 25% Levant-related admixture and some WANA got absorbed into it, so Ashkenazi Jews are about 65% West Asian + 25% Southern European + 10% Polish, Polish because they got Eastern European admixture, when entered Polish lands

North Italians have North European-related admixture too. Sicilian/Maltese who are the gentile populations closest to Jews could also be modeled as something like 60% North Italian/40% Levantine.

Abriekman

02-05-2021, 07:06 PM

North Italians have North European-related admixture too. Sicilian/Maltese who are the gentile populations closest to Jews could also be modeled as something like 60% North Italian/40% Levantine.

I think I noticed something interesting, Ashkenazi Jews are better modelled as 75% Middle Eastern + 25% Northern European, distance is much lower

Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
Distance: 0.9886% / 0.00988631
51.8 Levantine
20.2 German
17.6 North_African
10.2 Polish
0.2 Egyptian

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 1.2782% / 0.01278225
54.0 Levantine
20.4 German
14.4 North_African
11.2 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
Distance: 0.8923% / 0.00892322
54.8 Levantine
18.4 German
17.2 North_African
9.6 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
Distance: 1.0825% / 0.01082474
56.0 Levantine
20.4 German
13.0 North_African
10.6 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
Distance: 0.5362% / 0.00536231
61.0 Levantine
23.2 German
15.8 North_African

Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
Distance: 0.9304% / 0.00930352
56.4 Levantine
25.4 German
11.8 North_African
6.4 Polish

Smeagol

02-05-2021, 07:37 PM

I think I noticed something interesting, Ashkenazi Jews are better modelled as 75% Middle Eastern + 25% Northern European, distance is much lower

Artificially, yes, but it's clear that Jews derive most of their European ancestry from Roman times when there were many converts.

Grand Admiral Thrawn

02-05-2021, 07:42 PM

Abriekman

02-06-2021, 11:30 AM

Artificially, yes, but it's clear that Jews derive most of their European ancestry from Roman times when there were many converts.

They could brought much more DNA from Rhine, I think it is also possible

Pine

02-06-2021, 02:59 PM

They could brought much more DNA from Rhine, I think it is also possible

There is noticeable NW Euro component. There are also possibly notable Iberian components. And there is definite East Asian and Berber ancestry among Ashkenazi Jews.

Unknown European

02-08-2021, 05:16 PM

What I think is probably overlooked in Ashkenazi Jews is likely significant amounts of ancestry from natives of Southern France. Much of our maternal lineages seem to have probable origin in Gaul like the most common K1a1b1a. It was apparently found in a sample from an ancient necropolis located in Normandy

all_ancient_mtdna
Object-ID UN125
Colloquial-Skeletal
Latitude 49.67
Longitude -1.74
Sex
mtDNA-haplogroup K1a1b1a
mtDNA-Haplotree K1a1b1a
mt-FTDNA More info
mtree K1a1b1a
mt-YFull More info
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mt-Symbol K
HVS-II
HVS-NO
mt-SNPs
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YTree
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Unknown European

02-08-2021, 05:39 PM

North Italians have North European-related admixture too. Sicilian/Maltese who are the gentile populations closest to Jews could also be modeled as something like 60% North Italian/40% Levantine.

I think Sicilians are more often intermediate between Alpine Italians and Levantines while Ashkenazi Jews as they are still typically a little more Levantine shifted are more often intermediate between Northern Italians but those just South of the Alps and Levantines So...

Sicilian Intermediates:
Euro Shifted Shifted Sicilians - Intermediates between (Austrians/Swiss Germans/German speakers in North Italy) and (Levantines)
Average Sicilian - Intermediates between (Alpine Italians) and (Levantines)
Levantine Shifted Sicilians - Intermediates between (Northern Italians South of the Alps) and (Levantines)

Ashkenazi Intermediates:
Euro Shifted Ashkenazi -Intermediates between (Alpine Italians) and (Levantines)
Average Ashkenazi - Intermediates between (Northern Italians South of the Alps) and (Levantines)
Levantine Shifted Ashkenazi - Intermediates between (Central Italians) and (Levantines)

hence Ashkenazi individuals who are more Euro shifted cluster closer with Sicilians and Sicilians who are more Levantine shifted cluster closer with Ashkenazi

This is what a Levantine shifted Ashkenazi Jew is intermediate between. Lazio is where Rome is located it is right in the center of Italy

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany:Ashk_DE_DE_1
Distance: 2.4823% / 0.02482343
51.2 Lebanese_Christian
48.8 Italian_Lazio

This is what an average Ashkenazi Jew is intermediate between. Bergamo is just South of the Alps

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
Distance: 1.7895% / 0.01789484
51.0 Lebanese_Christian
49.0 Italian_Bergamo

This is what a European shifted Ashkenazi Jew is intermediate between. Aosta Valley is a Valley in the Alps

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland:Ashk_PL_PL_4
Distance: 4.0642% / 0.04064176
51.8 Italian_Aosta_Valley
48.2 Lebanese_Christian