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Flashball
01-31-2021, 12:51 PM
Last name Csajagi ; last name of his paternal grandmother Vasas

His mother is from Lyon.
Physical description: "chestnut" eyes (or amber, he is A;G), 1.83/184, features more French but rather "Slavic" when he was young (according a young picture I have of him). Medium or light chesnut hair.

Gedmatch kit: WS2618080

23andme
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/771x771q90/922/ajraQC.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1371x771q90/923/uCt45W.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1371x771q90/922/fDDYWs.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1371x771q90/922/jisAm3.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1371x771q90/922/nimXpb.jpg


Haplogroup: I-S17250 and H1b

Global 25:
Hungaro-French_scaled,0.121791,0.133034,0.0445,0.025517,0. 036007,0.009761,0.0047,0.006923,0.000818,0.005649,-0.006983,-0.00015,-0.002527,0.001376,0.007329,-0.002254,-0.002608,0.0019,0.004022,-0.001501,0.000374,0.00371,-0.003451,-0.002169,-0.002275

Non-scaled :
Hungaro-French_scaled,0.0107,0.0131,0.0118,0.0079,0.0117,0 .0035,0.002,0.003,0.0004,0.0031,-0.0043,-0.0001,-0.0017,0.001,0.0054,-0.0017,-0.002,0.0015,0.0032,-0.0012,0.0003,0.003,-0.0028,-0.0018,-0.0019


Distance: 3.1532% / 0.03153152
43.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
11.4 WHG
5.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.4 Han

Distance: 3.1615% / 0.03161469 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
11.4 WHG
5.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

Distance: 0.5828% / 0.00582795 | ADC: 0.5x RC
20.6 French_Alsace
20.0 Afrikaner
19.8 German
16.6 Italian_Northeast
11.8 Romanian
7.8 Moldovan
2.4 Austrian
1.0 French_Paris

0.02357417 French_Alsace:A_27
0.02446103 Hungarian:NA15201
0.02538467 French_Provence:provance4409
0.02628064 Slovenian:Slovenian136
0.02665862 Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.02687460 Austrian:Austria14
0.02719741 French_Alsace:A_8
0.02739271 French_Alsace:A_74_2
0.02752855 French_Nord:N_35
0.02784028 French_Nord:N_9_2
0.02798582 Afrikaner:AFR057
0.02860920 French_Nord:N_19
0.02865755 French_Seine-Maritime:French23915
0.02867432 French_Alsace:A_24_2
0.02873837 French_Alsace:A_58_2
0.02874066 French_Alsace:A_76
0.02887440 French_Nord:N_33
0.02889439 German:German60
0.02892493 German:German5
0.02896460 French_Alsace:A_10
0.02897367 French_Alsace:A_5
0.02900850 French_Nord:N_45
0.02903696 French_Alsace:A_69
0.02910869 German:German3
0.02917675 French_Alsace:A_56

Distance: 0.7793% / 0.00779314 | ADC: 0.5x RC
23.0 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA
19.8 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
16.0 ITA_Collegno_MA
12.6 HUN_MA
9.4 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA
8.6 HUN_MA_Szolad
6.2 VK2020_England_Oxford_VA
4.4 DEU_Singen_EBA


Feiichy calculator
Distance: 1.4343% / 0.01434250 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.0 Germanic
34.2 Balkan
16.6 Slavic
14.2 Celtic

Distance: 1.0393% / 0.01039277 | ADC: 0.25x RC
33.6 Germanic
19.6 Balkan
17.4 Celtic
15.0 Greco-Roman
10.6 Baltic
3.8 Slavic
Benyzero
01-31-2021, 01:18 PM
Robert de Niro foo
Flashball
01-31-2021, 01:22 PM
Robert de Niro foo

Who? Father or son?
Benyzero
01-31-2021, 01:26 PM
Who? Father or son?

Father from profile
Luke35
01-31-2021, 01:29 PM
Great post, what an awesome presentation.

23andMe on point, as usual.
Flashball
01-31-2021, 01:45 PM
Father from profile

The photo is very bad, but it is possible, even if her father was already old in this photo

I think I have a picture of him when he was young, on an ID card he really looked like his son and his features were a bit thinner (old people tend to have different features).
Flashball
01-31-2021, 01:46 PM
Great post, what an awesome presentation.

23andMe on point, as usual.

Thanks.
Luke35
01-31-2021, 01:55 PM
I checked K13, K15, and G25 using only his known ancestry (All French and Hungarian populations):

K13

Target: Hungaro-French
Distance: 2.2907% / 2.29067194
67.9 France_Alsace
18.5 Hungarian_Transylvania
9.3 France_north-east
4.3 France_Corsica

Here I just used the Hungarians from Hungary:

Target: Hungaro-French
Distance: 2.4191% / 2.41905631
78.1 France_Alsace
14.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.3 France_Corsica

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K15

Target: Hungaro-French
Distance: 3.9394% / 3.93943617
44.0 Hungarian
25.2 French_Provence
18.0 French_Brittany
12.8 French_Basque

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G25

Target: Hungaro-French_scaled
Distance: 1.5009% / 0.01500864
47.8 Hungarian
30.0 French_Provence
21.2 French_Seine-Maritime
1.0 French_Corsica


K15 and G25 match closer to his known ancestry, so it seems.
Luke35
01-31-2021, 02:09 PM
Here is a nice 50/50 split for him:

K15

Target: Hun/France
Distance: 2.9730% / 2.97298440
50.1 Szekely
34.0 French_Brittany
10.3 French_Basque
5.6 France_Corsica


Wait, I got it:

K13

Target: Hungaro-French
Distance: 6.4410% / 6.44100782
51.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
48.4 France_Provence

Distance is high but the split is nice and balanced.
Flashball
01-31-2021, 02:22 PM
Here is a nice 50/50 split for him:

K15

Target: Hun/France
Distance: 2.9730% / 2.97298440
50.1 Szekely
34.0 French_Brittany
10.3 French_Basque
5.6 France_Corsica


Wait, I got it:

K13

Target: Hungaro-French
Distance: 6.4410% / 6.44100782
51.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
48.4 France_Provence

Distance is high but the split is nice and balanced.

Thanks.

I shared his gedmatch kit (nothing private about him in that) and Global 25, for people to model as they please.

Which Apricity member sample do you think he's close to?
Luke35
01-31-2021, 02:27 PM
Thanks.

I shared his gedmatch kit (nothing private about him in that) and Global 25, for people to model as they please.

Which Apricity member sample do you think he's close to?

Distance to: Hungaro-French
5.64589231 Turul_Karom(Hungarian)
6.09599049 BobbyMartnen(American)
7.04539566 DacoCeltic
7.26424119 Tristy(EuroAmerican)
7.55368784 LalyHusband(Walloon)
7.89668285 Inf99GMom
8.27318560 Siberia62(british+italian)
8.72721032 jtoml3(British+Prussian+Croatian)
8.90193799 Inf99
9.08312171 Laly(Portuguese/Belgian)
9.11379723 MotherKyp(SouthGerman)
9.19134375 Yehiel(Euroamerican)
9.21898584 Tchek(Belgian)
9.32351865 Imre(1/4Dutch)
9.38146577 Mr.G(Hungarian/German)
9.39791466 Oszkar(Hung-Brit)
9.47773707 BigGuy
9.83130714 Animus(French-American)
9.93392168 Oszkar23&Me(HungBrit)
9.94378700 Benny(Hungarian)
10.19843125 Kökény(Székely)
10.20889808 Shuffle(German)
10.22122302 Minardowicz
10.24149403 Mr.G_mom(German)
10.44984689 Videx(Hungarian)
Luke35
01-31-2021, 02:30 PM
Here I can get the distance a little lower:

K15

Target: Hungaro-French
Distance: 5.2841% / 5.28412677
49.1 Hungarian
40.8 French_South
10.1 French_Provence
17571imre
01-31-2021, 02:50 PM
g25 results with one of the best models for me:
calculator from Andre https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307347-My-new-MODERN-e-ANCIENT-MODELS-G25


Target: Hungaro-French_scaled
Distance: 1.2630% / 0.01262963
56.8 North-Western_european
18.2 South_Slavs-Carpathic
13.4 Eastern_Slavic
4.2 West_Slavic
3.4 Jewish
2.6 Hellenic-Albanian
0.8 Turkic
0.6 Romaně

Target: Hungaro-French_scaled
Distance: 1.2778% / 0.01277813 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.6 North-Western_european
25.2 South_Slavs-Carpathic
8.8 West_Slavic
7.4 Eastern_Slavic
2.0 Romaně

Target: Hungaro-French_scaled
Distance: 1.3873% / 0.01387285 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.2 North-Western_european
27.8 South_Slavs-Carpathic
24.0 West_Slavic

this one may represent your ancestry the best
Flashball
01-31-2021, 03:33 PM
Distance to: Hungaro-French
5.64589231 Turul_Karom(Hungarian)
6.09599049 BobbyMartnen(American)
7.04539566 DacoCeltic
7.26424119 Tristy(EuroAmerican)
7.55368784 LalyHusband(Walloon)
7.89668285 Inf99GMom
8.27318560 Siberia62(british+italian)
8.72721032 jtoml3(British+Prussian+Croatian)
8.90193799 Inf99
9.08312171 Laly(Portuguese/Belgian)
9.11379723 MotherKyp(SouthGerman)
9.19134375 Yehiel(Euroamerican)
9.21898584 Tchek(Belgian)
9.32351865 Imre(1/4Dutch)
9.38146577 Mr.G(Hungarian/German)
9.39791466 Oszkar(Hung-Brit)
9.47773707 BigGuy
9.83130714 Animus(French-American)
9.93392168 Oszkar23&Me(HungBrit)
9.94378700 Benny(Hungarian)
10.19843125 Kökény(Székely)
10.20889808 Shuffle(German)
10.22122302 Minardowicz
10.24149403 Mr.G_mom(German)
10.44984689 Videx(Hungarian)

Thanks.

Turul_Karom is from what area of Hungary?
Luke35
01-31-2021, 03:48 PM
Thanks.

Turul_Karom is from what area of Hungary?

Turul is 1/2 Szekely, and 1/2 Western Hungarian.
Luke35
01-31-2021, 03:57 PM
Using Andre's G25 calc, MODERN MODEL FOR EASTERN EUROPEANS E BALKANIC PEOPLE.(K9), me and Hungaro-French score very similarly:


Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.5147% / 0.01514683 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.8 North-Western_european:Belgian
32.0 West_Slavic:Czech
23.2 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Montenegrin

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Target: Hungaro-French_scaled
Distance: 1.3873% / 0.01387285 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.2 North-Western_european:Belgian
27.8 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Gagauz
24.0 West_Slavic:Czech
Flashball
02-01-2021, 01:27 PM
Using Andre's G25 calc, MODERN MODEL FOR EASTERN EUROPEANS E BALKANIC PEOPLE.(K9), me and Hungaro-French score very similarly:


Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.5147% / 0.01514683 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.8 North-Western_european:Belgian
32.0 West_Slavic:Czech
23.2 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Montenegrin

--------------------------

Target: Hungaro-French_scaled
Distance: 1.3873% / 0.01387285 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.2 North-Western_european:Belgian
27.8 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Gagauz
24.0 West_Slavic:Czech

Thanks