Looking for AVERAGE ROMANI phenotype and genetics

[Randommembr]

Title, post your Romani DNA results and images!

[Mortimer]

https://i.ibb.co/kxwHsLB/Ancestry-Sabrina.jpg (https://ibb.co/G08x4Zp)

[Mortimer]

https://i.ibb.co/pJfXLPk/Balkan-Roma-IVC.png (https://ibb.co/zGXf45t)

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https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81036052_2932520936778338_1017387523749445632_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=S1R2uvbehOsAX8IfDoQ&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=61fc4f00fb12e972e5ab1bfea13d2e5a&oe=603ECED3

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68345018_1345759468908657_3276730262079143936_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=zHh8T-Z8hu8AX8ZkOnh&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=f7cc6bd69d9c7151a938f2bdef6a0e47&oe=603E32B4

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118582725_303135674315130_5224788770584642861_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=t0n6gLceNqgAX-84Xr_&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=7c97dbeaaaa375f887469d280eefe2a3&oe=603CAF0D

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/80832241_141316183980354_612248073376104448_o.jpg? _nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Vp-ilbmASboAX8PSt_X&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=d4ab0f543dbc2d801267b18a851eb359&oe=603B6575

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/76226857_2216209538671590_2795521275831779328_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=kRFxdEroxhkAX-3jU6P&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=ab55267e6330908e2c081549b945d35a&oe=603BACC5

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40446525_1105636809587592_1372503004694970368_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=UZfJZqGn6IAAX-jyAe6&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=1c4957d835914932d6e66a1a1f88ee0f&oe=603D1E81

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40392905_1105638216254118_4466378775063429120_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=y1d8xJJiIr4AX-dL9YJ&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=6fe8d4437531c987b932672fbb08e812&oe=603EA1CD

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40480005_1105644012920205_2107249407983353856_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=qkas92fKv7AAX-tSAzT&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=22a3cd24b7e5a1a662eb7962d672ec29&oe=603B83A1

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40414504_1105644036253536_8666545710365147136_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=sF-_UGLcI9YAX-mmIMR&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=2f6c7d0f53087f71fd2b35d33f02c6ef&oe=603D1DB8

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https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81036052_2932520936778338_1017387523749445632_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=S1R2uvbehOsAX8IfDoQ&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=61fc4f00fb12e972e5ab1bfea13d2e5a&oe=603ECED3

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68345018_1345759468908657_3276730262079143936_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=zHh8T-Z8hu8AX8ZkOnh&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=f7cc6bd69d9c7151a938f2bdef6a0e47&oe=603E32B4

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118582725_303135674315130_5224788770584642861_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=t0n6gLceNqgAX-84Xr_&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=7c97dbeaaaa375f887469d280eefe2a3&oe=603CAF0D

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/80832241_141316183980354_612248073376104448_o.jpg? _nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Vp-ilbmASboAX8PSt_X&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=d4ab0f543dbc2d801267b18a851eb359&oe=603B6575

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/76226857_2216209538671590_2795521275831779328_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=kRFxdEroxhkAX-3jU6P&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=ab55267e6330908e2c081549b945d35a&oe=603BACC5

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40446525_1105636809587592_1372503004694970368_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=UZfJZqGn6IAAX-jyAe6&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=1c4957d835914932d6e66a1a1f88ee0f&oe=603D1E81

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40392905_1105638216254118_4466378775063429120_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=y1d8xJJiIr4AX-dL9YJ&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=6fe8d4437531c987b932672fbb08e812&oe=603EA1CD

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40480005_1105644012920205_2107249407983353856_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=qkas92fKv7AAX-tSAzT&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=22a3cd24b7e5a1a662eb7962d672ec29&oe=603B83A1

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40414504_1105644036253536_8666545710365147136_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=cdbe9c&_nc_ohc=sF-_UGLcI9YAX-mmIMR&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=2f6c7d0f53087f71fd2b35d33f02c6ef&oe=603D1DB8

Thanks! I can see the Iranian, Indian and Euro admixture. Few look very strongly Indian, others look Latino, certain people can pass in Central Iran as well.

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https://i.ibb.co/pJfXLPk/Balkan-Roma-IVC.png (https://ibb.co/zGXf45t)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245895-Gypsy-Gedmatch-Results-I-use-Gedrosia-K6-and-K3

Is the Mirsad guy full gypsy? Could you share some more FULL gypsy results from 23andme as I dont understand these. 23andme makes sense or myheritage.

Here are some gypsy crowds. Don't look full Indian to me. Would you say Gypsys look Indian but with admixture?

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2AGXN4A/young-romani-people-family-in-romania-2AGXN4A.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/C9BEKN/traveler-family-and-romany-caravan-C9BEKN.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P8TDW7/portrait-of-two-poor-gypsy-romani-teenage-boys-in-front-of-a-wall-in-the-ghetto-P8TDW7.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/T7JPFJ/a-girl-with-a-flag-of-romani-people-in-the-demonstrations-against-racism-of-gypsy-people-in-spain-T7JPFJ.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/T3B3EE/brno-czech-republic-08th-apr-2019-people-attend-roma-pride-march-organised-within-week-of-roma-culture-on-international-romani-day-april-8-2019-in-brno-czech-republic-credit-vaclav-salekctk-photoalamy-live-news-T3B3EE.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/F065M1/sofia-bulgaria-july-30-2015-gypsies-children-with-their-grandmother-F065M1.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/17/7c/9b177c05c5040f4460ae8a60f1561288.jpg

https://sheawinterphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/37.jpg

https://www.featureshoot.com/2019/04/honoring-the-romani-people-in-photographs/

[Mortimer]

https://i.ibb.co/MgdJcGK/Ancestry-Nick.jpg (https://ibb.co/wdt2Sw8)

[Mortimer]

I dont say they look indian or not. You said they look like mexicans/natives and pseudo-desi. Thats what you said. I dont know if you changed your mind. I dont claim either ways.

[Randommembr]

I dont say they look indian or not. You said they look like mexicans/natives and pseudo-desi. Thats what you said. I dont know if you changed your mind. I dont claim either ways.

Hey, is the Nick guy FULL Romany? how he looks? Is his West Asian percentage mostly from Iran? What countries is his Euro from? Would you say the average is about 1/3Euro 1/3 Indian and 1/3 MENA for Balkan (or other) Romanis?

What you think they look like? What is the average genetics? Many look straight up European tbf. Some look extremely West Asian, others European, most look a blend. I'm certain quite a few would stick out considerably in India/Pakistan some would look local. Most like I said look their results.

What do you think most Romanis look like?

Sorry for all the questions and comments! I hope I'm not annoying you too much haha. I know a few Roma and I've really been fascinated by their unique and good looking phenotypes. I was wondering their origin which is why I'm very curious haha.

[Mortimer]

Hey, is the Nick guy FULL Romany? how he looks? Is his West Asian percentage mostly from Iran?

What you think they look like? What is the average genetics? Many look straight up European tbf. Some look extremely West Asian, others European, most look a blend. I'm certain quite a few would stick out considerably in India/Pakistan some would look local. Most like I said look their results.

Sorry for all the questions and comments! I hope I'm not annoying you too much haha. I know a few Roma and I've really been fascinated by their unique and good looking phenotypes. I was wondering their origin which is why I'm very curious haha.

The picture of the Nick guy, is in the results (look at the screenshot his and my picture are up there my results are up there too). The Nick guy I ASSUME is full romany, I didnt asked him but I see the comparsion of his with my results, and I know who and what I am and then draw the conclusion that he is full romany.

[Mortimer]

Hey, is the Nick guy FULL Romany? how he looks? Is his West Asian percentage mostly from Iran?

What you think they look like? What is the average genetics? Many look straight up European tbf. Some look extremely West Asian, others European, most look a blend. I'm certain quite a few would stick out considerably in India/Pakistan some would look local. Most like I said look their results.

Sorry for all the questions and comments! I hope I'm not annoying you too much haha. I know a few Roma and I've really been fascinated by their unique and good looking phenotypes. I was wondering their origin which is why I'm very curious haha.

the west asian is mostly "iran, mesopatamian"

https://i.ibb.co/v4yMTvp/Ancestry-Traits-Overview23and-Me.jpg (https://ibb.co/CKCSYsg)

[Mortimer]

Why do you ask again what are their results what they look like when I already answered everything. Posted pictures, and results. That is the typical face and result what I posted.

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The picture of the Nick guy, is in the results (look at the screenshot his and my picture are up there my results are up there too). The Nick guy I ASSUME is full romany, I didnt asked him but I see the comparsion of his with my results, and I know who and what I am and then draw the conclusion that he is full romany.

https://you.23andme.com/published/reports/fb7da2fe5f89485c957a9b15d41c5189/

Almost identical results to this full Romani.

[Mortimer]

https://you.23andme.com/published/reports/fb7da2fe5f89485c957a9b15d41c5189/

Almost identical results to this full Romani.

Yes, that is the typical 23andme result of a full romani.

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Why do you ask again what are their results what they look like when I already answered everything. Posted pictures, and results. That is the typical face and result what I posted.

Your pictures weren't loading in full up until now. Also, you said yourself some weren't full Romani so just clarifying. No need to get rude. I'll leave this thread open for other viewers to comment. Have a good day.

[Mortimer]

Your pictures weren't loading in full up until now. Also, you said yourself some weren't full Romani so just clarifying. No need to get rude. I'll leave this thread open for other viewers to comment. Have a good day.

All of them are full romani, except my mum who is 1/8 non-romani you said that makes such a big difference, but I dont buy it, that makes no difference at all, it could make a difference if someone is white and 1/8 black that could make MAYBE a difference but if someone is romani/black and 1/8 white that makes no difference, most people i know would laugh at you if you said she is "mixed", and the others except me and my mum are all "full romani" as far as i know because they have two romani parents, but maybe someone is 1/16 non-romani and i didnt know that.

[Mortimer]

Your pictures weren't loading in full up until now. Also, you said yourself some weren't full Romani so just clarifying. No need to get rude. I'll leave this thread open for other viewers to comment. Have a good day.

Im sorry if I appeared rude, Im just wondering why you ask the same questions. But it is ok. Sorry bro. I think I answered your questions so far.

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Im sorry if I appeared rude, Im just wondering why you ask the same questions. But it is ok. Sorry bro. I think I answered your questions so far.

You did. Before your pictures didn't load so I asked again but now All your pictures have loaded now. I'll leave the thread open for those who want to talk about UK or North Europe Romanys. Or you can contribute yourself if you know.

[Rethel]

Title, post your Romani DNA results and images!

People, please, stop using this nonsensical leftist terminology! Speak in English, please!

It is never known if someone is talking about Rome, Romania, Romanic people or Gypsies. And the difference is HUUUUUGE!

[Rethel]

Doubled.

[Rethel]

Title, post your Romani DNA results and images!

People, please, stop using this nonsensical leftist terminology! Speak in English, please!

It is never known if someone is talking about Rome, Romania, Romanic people or Gypsies. And the difference is HUUUUUGE!!

[Randommembr]

bump

[Mortimer]

People, please, stop using this nonsensical leftist terminology! Speak in English, please!

It is never known if someone is talking about Rome, Romania, Romanic people or Gypsies. And the difference is HUUUUUGE!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiP-O_-JBFQ&fbclid=IwAR3WUnkN0ROSTvMqHgVxkwzz6HEfotJEXBIb8h7Fl ur6MjZadSTtBpCgh4Y

[Rethel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiP-O_-JBFQ&fbclid=IwAR3WUnkN0ROSTvMqHgVxkwzz6HEfotJEXBIb8h7Fl ur6MjZadSTtBpCgh4Y

What it has to do with what I said? :picard2:

[Mortimer]

What it has to do, with what I said? :picard2:

Everything is explained in that video. Also why "gypsy, cigan, or zigeuner" is a racial slur.

[Rethel]

Everything is explained in that video. Also why "gypsy, cigan, or zigeuner" is a racial slur.

Nope. Is normal european word for that people. Leftists together with Gypsies are introducing
this new name, firsts, because they love a newspeak, the second, becasue they worked hardly
for centuries for the opinion wich they have. Anyway it should not be of your concern. We are
here talking in english not in gypsy, so please speak in english. Gypsies are not Romanians,
neither Romanic, neither from Rome to call them by that name.

[Mortimer]

Nope. Is normal european word for that people. Leftists together with Gypsies are introducing
this new name, firsts, because they love a newspeak, the second, becasue they worked hardly
for centuries for the opinion wich they have. Anyway it should not be of your concern. We are
here talking in english not in gypsy, so please speak in english. Gypsies are not Romanians,
neither Romanic, neither from Rome to call them by that name.

Rom is unrelated to Rome or Romania. Dont be silly, and watch the video, and listen to it, then you will know what your words mean. It means genocide.

[Randommembr]

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[Rethel]

Rom is unrelated to Rome or Romania.

So start to write Österreich insted of Austria, Suomi insted of Finland, Alba insted of Scotland, to fit to this leftist madness...


Dont be silly, and watch the video, and listen to it, then you will know what your words mean. It means genocide.

:picard2:

So, are you a gypsy genocider, as you yourself are often using this word? :picard1:

[PaleoEuropean]

your family looks very Iranian-Indo-Aryan shifted for the most part. The guy on the right in the first pic and your cousins in the last pic with you look the most Indian HG

[Ion Basescul]

I am not sure about average, but this is what I have:

Moldova


N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


10.85
8.12
13.85
16.55
18.75
2.37
25.19
1.34
1.65
0.21
0.52
0.58
0


11.57
12.62
11.32
15.32
17.97
2.29
23.98
0
2.33
0
1.46
1.12
0



Romania


N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


5.66
14.80
12.28
18.02
16.44
3.01
25.06
2.61
0.44
0
1.38
0.09
0.19


15.84
12.72
15.22
14.37
15.69
2.70
20.18
0.98
0
0
1.65
0.44
0.20


11.90
9.19
10.45
14.64
22.38
1.50
24.29
1.34
2.01
0.42
0.96
0.47
0.45


12.98
9.32
15.56
17.09
20.36
2.48
19.03
0
0.86
0.44
1.17
0.70
0


14.92
11.18
11.66
15.91
16.78
3.84
22.29
1.09
0.98
0
0.72
0.64
0


3.91
8.69
12.97
16.69
23.81
2.40
27.18
2.56
0
0.38
1.40
0
0


12.35
11.15
12.31
16.39
19.73
2.62
20.38
1.22
3.51
0
0
0.08
0.26


3.86
13.82
12.90
19.65
21.23
2.04
23.59
1.44
0
0.56
0.91
0
0


4.32
9.07
14.96
18.62
17.89
4.93
25.94
0.42
2.34
0
1.14
0.37
0


12.42
10.39
12.94
17.25
18.71
3.62
21.16
0.54
1.53
0
0.67
0.77
0

[Randommembr]

I am not sure about average, but this is what I have:

Moldova


N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


10.85
8.12
13.85
16.55
18.75
2.37
25.19
1.34
1.65
0.21
0.52
0.58
0


11.57
12.62
11.32
15.32
17.97
2.29
23.98
0
2.33
0
1.46
1.12
0



Romania


N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


5.66
14.80
12.28
18.02
16.44
3.01
25.06
2.61
0.44
0
1.38
0.09
0.19


15.84
12.72
15.22
14.37
15.69
2.70
20.18
0.98
0
0
1.65
0.44
0.20


11.90
9.19
10.45
14.64
22.38
1.50
24.29
1.34
2.01
0.42
0.96
0.47
0.45


12.98
9.32
15.56
17.09
20.36
2.48
19.03
0
0.86
0.44
1.17
0.70
0


14.92
11.18
11.66
15.91
16.78
3.84
22.29
1.09
0.98
0
0.72
0.64
0


3.91
8.69
12.97
16.69
23.81
2.40
27.18
2.56
0
0.38
1.40
0
0


12.35
11.15
12.31
16.39
19.73
2.62
20.38
1.22
3.51
0
0
0.08
0.26


3.86
13.82
12.90
19.65
21.23
2.04
23.59
1.44
0
0.56
0.91
0
0


4.32
9.07
14.96
18.62
17.89
4.93
25.94
0.42
2.34
0
1.14
0.37
0


12.42
10.39
12.94
17.25
18.71
3.62
21.16
0.54
1.53
0
0.67
0.77
0



Can you do closest population method as well? Also, the average phenotype?

[Randommembr]

your family looks very Iranian-Indo-Aryan shifted for the most part. The guy on the right in the first pic and your cousins in the last pic with you look the most Indian HG

What would you classify my crowd pictures and videos as?

[CommonSense]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245895-Gypsy-Gedmatch-Results-I-use-Gedrosia-K6-and-K3

Is the Mirsad guy full gypsy? Could you share some more FULL gypsy results from 23andme as I dont understand these. 23andme makes sense or myheritage.

Here are some gypsy crowds. Don't look full Indian to me. Would you say Gypsys look Indian but with admixture?



https://c8.alamy.com/comp/C9BEKN/traveler-family-and-romany-caravan-C9BEKN.jpg


These people in the photo are British Romani (not to be confued with Irish travellers), who are genetically like Brits with minor admixture. You'll never see any Balkan or Spanish Gypsies like those.

[Randommembr]

These people in the photo are British Romani (not to be confued with Irish travellers), who are genetically like Brits with minor admixture. You'll never see any Balkan or Spanish Gypsies like those.

Please post Balkan gypsy crowds then? The rest of my crowds are more Southern gypsies. Also, please say Romani. Mortimer said gypsy is a slur.

[Ion Basescul]

30 minutes of Roma/Gypsies from South of Bucharest.

https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/social/de-la-manele-la-gospel-de-ce-s-au-convertit-lautarii-romi-la-cultul-penticostal-892801

[Randommembr]

30 minutes of Roma/Gypsies from South of Bucharest.

https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/social/de-la-manele-la-gospel-de-ce-s-au-convertit-lautarii-romi-la-cultul-penticostal-892801

I can see the South, West Asian and European in them.

[Ion Basescul]

1:12 to 25:15
200 Romas from all over Romania reunited in Bucharest as part of the ethnic Party of Romas council.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOMB6D4Kne4

[CommonSense]

Please post Balkan gypsy crowds then? The rest of my crowds are more Southern gypsies. Also, please say Romani. Mortimer said gypsy is a slur.

It's not at a slur to all of them. Even here some actually prefer the term 'Cigani' (Gypsies). Anyway, here are some examples:

http://romalitika.me/images/mladi_portal_stanard_1.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zwxZNKJKBEaT9x3WdU5f15NAElpJDPFyqsjaqkXimWz_ptWgld 8DlY_aTFIU5pgcnkd8th2bvm1wxr7hs1ulUg8jWrxgC6PSlA

https://www.preporod.com/media/k2/items/cache/4026b2ca97fbd8240d4cb088756166f7_XL.jpg

https://nwb.savethechildren.net/sites/nwb.savethechildren.net/files/field/image/DSCN1410.JPG

https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2015/09/06/02/734823_rada-vasic-radivoje-vasic-dragutin-giba-vasic-miroslav_ls.jpg

https://mediareform.rs/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2-1.jpg

https://moravainfo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Romi-iz-Cacka-1-696x484.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W2ny1J-ZlMk/T04218_q4mI/AAAAAAAAAPE/2v1GyAcKdi8/s1600/romi+na+stupu+pored+crkve.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFfI5c9XYAAOeGA.jpg

https://najboljitrubacisrbije.top/wp-content/uploads/wp-1559713658627.jpeg

[Randommembr]

It's not at a slur to all of them. Even here some actually prefer the term 'Cigani' (Gypsies). Anyway, here are some examples:

http://romalitika.me/images/mladi_portal_stanard_1.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zwxZNKJKBEaT9x3WdU5f15NAElpJDPFyqsjaqkXimWz_ptWgld 8DlY_aTFIU5pgcnkd8th2bvm1wxr7hs1ulUg8jWrxgC6PSlA

https://www.preporod.com/media/k2/items/cache/4026b2ca97fbd8240d4cb088756166f7_XL.jpg

https://nwb.savethechildren.net/sites/nwb.savethechildren.net/files/field/image/DSCN1410.JPG

https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2015/09/06/02/734823_rada-vasic-radivoje-vasic-dragutin-giba-vasic-miroslav_ls.jpg

https://mediareform.rs/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2-1.jpg

https://moravainfo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Romi-iz-Cacka-1-696x484.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W2ny1J-ZlMk/T04218_q4mI/AAAAAAAAAPE/2v1GyAcKdi8/s1600/romi+na+stupu+pored+crkve.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFfI5c9XYAAOeGA.jpg

https://najboljitrubacisrbije.top/wp-content/uploads/wp-1559713658627.jpeg

They seem to range from Indian, west Asian and European looking with most in between.

[CommonSense]

They seem to range from Indian, west Asian and European looking with most in between.

Very few can pass as native Europeans, but European influence is often present in their facial features. They're just too dark for most of Western Eurasia though so it can be hard to notice.

[Randommembr]

Very few can pass as native Europeans, but European influence is often present in their facial features. They're just too dark for most of Western Eurasia though so it can be hard to notice.

A fair few can pass as Sicilians I think. British and Northern Europe Romany most definitely pass as Native European of some sort.

I think overall they look a blend of West, South Asian and South European with outliers in either direction. Would you agree?

[Ion Basescul]

It's not at a slur to all of them. Even here some actually prefer the term 'Cigani' (Gypsies). Anyway, here are some examples:

http://romalitika.me/images/mladi_portal_stanard_1.jpg



They look more genetically preserved on average than those in Romania. I think in Romania the communist regime partially removed the cultural taboos of mixing with them by uplifting them to regular blue-collar working class, especially in Wallachia.

[CommonSense]

A fair few can pass as Sicilians I think. British and Northern Europe Romany most definitely pass as Native European of some sort.

I think overall they look a blend of West, South Asian and South European with outliers in either direction. Would you agree?

Sicilians aren't as dark as you think and the dark ones are like a slightly more tanned version of that Turkish guy who asked if he's 'Atlanto-Med or Pontid'.

In terms of features generally they look mixed, but pigmentation wise they are similar to Pakistanis. At least in Serbia, I'm pretty sure Romanian Gypsies are lighter and have somewhat more western features. I've seen other members say the same.

[CommonSense]

They look more genetically preserved than those in Romania. I think in Romania the communist regime partially removed the cultural taboos of mixing with them by uplifting them to regular blue-collar working class, especially in Wallachia.

As far as I know, back in the day in Romania they used to have similar status to slaves, basically, which facilitated mixing. No such thing happened anywhere else in the peninsula.

[Randommembr]

Sicilians aren't as dark as you think and the dark ones are like a slightly more tanned version of that Turkish guy who asked if he's 'Atlanto-Med or Pontid'.

In terms of features generally they look mixed, but pigmentation wise they are similar to Pakistanis. At least in Serbia, I'm pretty sure Romanian Gypsies are lighter and have somewhat more western features. I've seen other members say the same.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that every gypsy posted here (the videos by Ion Basecul) is most definitely noticeably lighter than your average Pakistani. I grew up in Karachi, obviously I'd know. Their features are different as well (do you agree?)

[Randommembr]

As far as I know, back in the day in Romania they used to have similar status to slaves, basically, which facilitated mixing. No such thing happened anywhere else in the peninsula.

On 23andme they are usually an even split 1/3 European, 1/3 MENA and 1/3 South Asian.

[CommonSense]

I can tell you with absolute certainty that every gypsy posted here (the videos by Ion Basecul) is most definitely noticeably lighter than your average Pakistani. I grew up in Karachi, obviously I'd know. Their features are different as well (do you agree?)

I guess this should be a represntative group of Pakistanis:

https://i.dawn.com/2012/07/pakistanis-in-america-cc-670.jpg

A layman would immediately notice the difference in features, but not much else.

[Randommembr]

I guess this should be a represntative group of Pakistanis:

https://i.dawn.com/2012/07/pakistanis-in-america-cc-670.jpg

A layman would immediately notice the difference in features, but not much else.

Your picture didn't load.

[CommonSense]

Your picture didn't load.

https://i.dawn.com/2012/07/pakistanis-in-america-cc-670.jpg

[Randommembr]

https://i.dawn.com/2012/07/pakistanis-in-america-cc-670.jpg

The ones in Ion Baseculs videos are lighter.

What Pakistani group is this

Anyways,

https://www.google.com/search?q=pakistan+criwds&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwixm_6LlMruAhXGLM0KHYILBlEQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=pakistan+criwds&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIECAAQDToCCCk 6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCxAzoECAAQQzoHCAAQsQMQQzoCCAA6C AgAEA0QBRAeOggIABAIEA0QHlDiZFiUemCvfGgCcAB4A4ABvgG IAdYSkgEEMS4xNpgBAKABAbABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=TbkYYPHAIcbZtAaCl5iIBQ&bih=698&biw=393&client=ms-android-google&prmd=inv

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nVKjywJhl1o

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdya8eym9nM

[CommonSense]

The ones in Ion Baseculs videos are lighter.

What Pakistani group is this

Anyways,

https://www.google.com/search?q=pakistan+criwds&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwixm_6LlMruAhXGLM0KHYILBlEQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=pakistan+criwds&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIECAAQDToCCCk 6CAgAELEDEIMBOgUIABCxAzoECAAQQzoHCAAQsQMQQzoCCAA6C AgAEA0QBRAeOggIABAIEA0QHlDiZFiUemCvfGgCcAB4A4ABvgG IAdYSkgEEMS4xNpgBAKABAbABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=TbkYYPHAIcbZtAaCl5iIBQ&bih=698&biw=393&client=ms-android-google&prmd=inv

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nVKjywJhl1o

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdya8eym9nM

Some Pakistanis living in America, I googled 'Pakistanis', that was one of the first images. Anyway, I've already told you the ones in Romania are lighter.

[Randommembr]

Some Pakistanis living in America, I googled 'Pakistanis', that was one of the first images. Anyway, I've already told you the ones in Romania are lighter.

Ok, were your Balkan Roma pictures from Romania(or some other Balkan country)? Post some non-Romanian examples and specify the country if you can.

[Hulu]

Albania

Click the links too, some pics dont show up otherwise

https://cdnuploads.aa.com.tr/uploads/Contents/2015/04/09/thumbs_b_c_fcfb4643089d42debcca6460f08c7680.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bwhkRF3gSnw/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AVFoos3MJZQ/maxresdefault.jpg

https://360grade.al/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/auto_romet-4-600x3601575210217.jpg

http://www.panorama.com.al/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/romet.png

https://www.reporter.al/wp-content/uploads/romet-protesta.jpg

[aherne]

They look European mixed with Veddoid. Some Iranic-like East Meds exist in Balkans too so it is presence of Veddoid that makes gypsies a visible minority

[Randommembr]

Albania

Click the links too, some pics dont show up otherwise

https://cdnuploads.aa.com.tr/uploads/Contents/2015/04/09/thumbs_b_c_fcfb4643089d42debcca6460f08c7680.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bwhkRF3gSnw/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AVFoos3MJZQ/maxresdefault.jpg

https://360grade.al/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/auto_romet-4-600x3601575210217.jpg

http://www.panorama.com.al/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/romet.png

https://www.reporter.al/wp-content/uploads/romet-protesta.jpg

Any idea on the Albanian Romani genetic averages?

Some of these seems like news videos or documentaries, do you have a link for those? Because only 4-6 faces are visible from your pics, the rest are side angled.

Holy shit some of these people look uber Desi. I've heard Roma can vary from South Asian to European looking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1soNrc1hn4Y) and that's what it feels like.

The lady in the 3rd image looks quite Iranian Zoroastrian
https://www.youtube.com/c/KouroshNiknam/videos
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/TXTE35/iranian-zoroastrian-women-pray-at-fire-temple-of-pir-e-sabz-in-the-village-of-chak-chak-near-the-city-of-ardakan-in-yazd-province-795km-495-miles-southeast-of-tehran-iran-on-june-17-2007-each-year-from-june-14-18-many-thousands-of-zoroastrians-from-iran-india-and-other-countries-flock-to-the-fire-temple-of-pir-e-sabz-upi-photomohammad-kheirkhah-TXTE35.jpg

Would these Iranian Zoroastrians pass as Albanian Romani?

[Hulu]

Any idea on the Albanian Romani genetic averages?

Some of these seems like news videos or documentaries, do you have a link for those? Because only 4-6 faces are visible from your pics, the rest are side angled.

Holy shit some of these people look uber Desi. I've heard Roma can vary from South Asian to European looking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1soNrc1hn4Y) and that's what it feels like.

The lady in the 3rd image looks quite Iranian Zoroastrian
https://www.youtube.com/c/KouroshNiknam/videos
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/TXTE35/iranian-zoroastrian-women-pray-at-fire-temple-of-pir-e-sabz-in-the-village-of-chak-chak-near-the-city-of-ardakan-in-yazd-province-795km-495-miles-southeast-of-tehran-iran-on-june-17-2007-each-year-from-june-14-18-many-thousands-of-zoroastrians-from-iran-india-and-other-countries-flock-to-the-fire-temple-of-pir-e-sabz-upi-photomohammad-kheirkh5.jpg

Would these Iranian Zoroastrians pass as Albanian Romani?

A bit lighter than average but as atypical yes. Right click on pics and search the web for the stories. But most only came up with single or a couple of pics. Most of our gypsies are very dark. Some are lighter but still visible minority.

[Randommembr]

A bit lighter than average but as atypical yes. Right click on pics and search the web for the stories. But most only came up with single or a couple of pics. Most of our gypsies are very dark. Some are lighter but still visible minority.

Would you say ON AVERAGE they look a blend of Indian, Iranian, Middle Eastern and European? 23andme average is 1/3 European, 1/3 Middle Eastern and 1/3 South Asian for gypsy(not sure of the country). Do you know genetic average specifically for Albania Roma or do you have an Albania Roma sample? BASED ON THEIR PHENOTYPE, if you had to GUESS their genes, what would they be like?

[Mortimer]

Bulgaria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=419bc_YjaFk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDz45f5zEhM

Albania

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf1l_pMTyJw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox0PPpPzuPY

[Randommembr]

They look European mixed with Veddoid. Some Iranic-like East Meds exist in Balkans too so it is presence of Veddoid that makes gypsies a visible minority

Seems like it varies from country. The Romanian ones and the Northern/Central Europe ones are lighter but the South European/Med ones are darker. I see in your profile that you are German. If you'd like, you can post German Roma crowds.

[Mortimer]

I think gypsies in albania, bulgaria and serbia are the most dark.

[Randommembr]

I think gypsies in albania, bulgaria and serbia are the most dark.

We haven't had Bulgarian and Serbian crowds yet! You can post some examples if you'd like! Also, what country are you from, if you don't mind?

[Mortimer]

We haven't had Bulgarian and Serbian crowds yet! You can post some examples if you'd like! Also, what country are you from, if you don't mind?

Im from Serbia and I posted my relatives. I just posted Bulgarians and Albanians (videos).

I can post Bulgarian Roma from facebook too but they live in London but they are recent migrants.

Bulgarian
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55939861_10156983033919000_6844260046667251712_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=a4a2d7&_nc_ohc=jttMcCl-89sAX9rJQ_X&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=6b8f95a74ae3fc7c827ee2c71f537047&oe=603FBB0C

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/133218592_3974134452619123_3091630006411290783_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Ji4JMG4BCSoAX-kRHAE&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=7ebd6697598fa358929558c39032eb61&oe=603E5F90

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/116097186_3074527896004005_8886986260171478169_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=1IDPXMfbEycAX9kNQis&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=6c2abd8775118a6be6ae99167a8eaa55&oe=603DF228

[Randommembr]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IXhi4Exjs
Albania

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1ReFNdkQ5Y8
Bulgaria

[ixulescu]

As far as I know, back in the day in Romania they used to have similar status to slaves, basically, which facilitated mixing. No such thing happened anywhere else in the peninsula.

That's incorrect on all three accounts:

1. Gypsies were robi (not slaves), meaning the lowest serf status. This status was not exclusive to gypsies, but mostly gypsies and Tatars fell into it.
2. The children of free peasants and robi inherited the status of robi, which prevented mixing, not encouraged it.
3. These laws regarding the status of the gypsies were NOT specific to the Romanian principalities, they were prevalent everywhere in the Balkans before the Ottoman rule. They were all drawn from the Byzantine laws.

Gypsies in Romania are whiter because they are mixed to a higher degree with other Eurasian steppe and Caucasus populations. The mixing of gypsies with Romanians is very recent, from Ceausescu's rule on. That said, there are certain gypsy tribes that have very high Balkan ancestry. This is not due to significant historical mixing but rather sexual selection which favors the majority phenotypes.

[Randommembr]

Bump

[CommonSense]

That's incorrect on all three accounts:

1. Gypsies were robi (not slaves), meaning the lowest serf status. This status was not exclusive to gypsies, but mostly gypsies and Tatars fell into it.
2. The children of free peasants and robi inherited the status of robi, which prevented mixing, not encouraged it.
3. These laws regarding the status of the gypsies were NOT specific to the Romanian principalities, they were prevalent everywhere in the Balkans before the Ottoman rule. They were all drawn from the Byzantine laws.

Gypsies in Romania are whiter because they are mixed to a higher degree with other Eurasian steppe and Caucasus populations. The mixing of gypsies with Romanians is very recent, from Ceausescu's rule on. That said, there are certain gypsy tribes that have very high Balkan ancestry. This is not due to significant historical mixing but rather sexual selection which favors the majority phenotypes.

There's literally a whole wikipedia page dedicated to slavery in Romania. Rob means slave in Serbian, btw. There wasn't any social cateogry in our society such as that one.

[CommonSense]

From Slovakia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG4aYsvgchA

[aherne]

From Slovakia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG4aYsvgchA

Mixture creates a pseudo Indo-Iranian look. As a group they are too Indian to pass as Pashto

[Randommembr]

From Slovakia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG4aYsvgchA

Interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4uO87uTbNo I found one more.

Any more crowd pictures or vlogs of Slovak Romanis?

Average DNA for a Slovak Romany? Since you see them in Slovakia, what country do you guess them as?

[Randommembr]

Does anyone actually have DNA samples PLEASE? I only got 3 on the thread and Mortimer is already 1/3 non-Romani so it doesn't count. Couldn't find anything online.

[Mortimer]

Does anyone actually have DNA samples PLEASE? I only got 3 on the thread and Mortimer is already 1/3 non-Romani so it doesn't count. Couldn't find anything online.

I think CommonSense has a few roma gedmatch kit numbers, he once created a average I think. Maybe he can post it.

[Mortimer]

Here is my Gedmatch Kit number to find other roma M434151

do "One to many matches" then many of "dna relatives will appear" and probably they are all roma one way or another either full or mixed, a few might not be though, then run their results and compare to my results or roma average, if they score like roma average the sample or relative to my results as full roma then they are. Create a average

[CommonSense]

I think CommonSense has a few roma gedmatch kit numbers, he once created a average I think. Maybe he can post it.

It's here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2/page19

[Randommembr]

It's here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2/page19

They seem to be closest to Mid East population but still have very large over 20 distance between their closest population. I don't understand GEDmatch though sadly.

[CommonSense]

They seem to be closest to Mid East population but still have very large over 20 distance between their closest population. I don't understand GEDmatch though sadly.

Because there is no ethnic group that has such an odd mix of ancestral lineages. Gedmatch is only good for them in order to get the component coordinates you can then run through vahaduo and see how much South Asian, European and West Asian they actually have, since the estimates by various DNA testing companies tend to vary greatly.

[Mortimer]

Where Im from in Novi Becej there is a visible roma community. I will post videos of them, my mum grew up there and many of my relatives live there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDzGYHYbZg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h9IfpsUm9o

[Randommembr]

Because there is no ethnic group that has such an odd mix of ancestral lineages. Gedmatch is only good for them in order to get the component coordinates you can then run through vahaduo and see how much South Asian, European and West Asian they actually have, since the estimates by various DNA testing companies tend to vary greatly.

Ok, can you tell me how to get coordinates and use Vahaduo? Could you get a few vahaduo samples? They may have been posted, but I don't know what vahaduo is lmao.

[Randommembr]

Because there is no ethnic group that has such an odd mix of ancestral lineages. Gedmatch is only good for them in order to get the component coordinates you can then run through vahaduo and see how much South Asian, European and West Asian they actually have, since the estimates by various DNA testing companies tend to vary greatly.

NVM. I ran the vahaduo myself, and among non-gypsy populations, their closest(for Yanova and Arap)/one of their closest was actually Parsis like myself. They do look vaguely similar and have a split of Middle East and South Asian like Parsis as well.

I don't know if I am working the data properly though? Not sure.

[Randommembr]

So I don't understand vahaduo and I could be wrong, but I added up all the MENA and Caucasus populations, Euro and South Asian populations for 3 samples and I got an average of about 1/3 Euro, 1/3 South Asian and 1/3 MENA. Again, if someone could help me understand Vahaduo properly, I'd appreciate it.

On 23andme, It seems to be about 1/2 MENA, 1/4 South Asian and 1/4 European, but I only have like 1 or 2 23andme samples.

[Randommembr]

So I don't understand vahaduo and I could be wrong, but I added up all the MENA and Caucasus populations, Euro and South Asian populations for 3 samples and I got an average of about 1/3 Euro, 1/3 South Asian and 1/3 MENA. Again, if someone could help me understand Vahaduo properly, I'd appreciate it.

On 23andme, It seems to be about 1/2 MENA, 1/4 South Asian and 1/4 European, but I only have like 1 or 2 23andme samples.

[CommonSense]

So I don't understand vahaduo and I could be wrong, but I added up all the MENA and Caucasus populations, Euro and South Asian populations for 3 samples and I got an average of about 1/3 Euro, 1/3 South Asian and 1/3 MENA. Again, if someone could help me understand Vahaduo properly, I'd appreciate it.

On 23andme, It seems to be about 1/2 MENA, 1/4 South Asian and 1/4 European, but I only have like 1 or 2 23andme samples.

Vahaduo isn't that complicated as it might seem at first glance. In the TARGET tab you enter the coordinates of either the individual sample or the population average you're interested in. The SOURCE tab is the database, but you can edit it by removing and adding samples. It resets once you refresh the page. The SINGLE and MULTI tabs are used to model your target referrence according to the samples in the database. The algorthim tries to get the closest possible fit, so if you leave the SOURCE tab intact, your target will get modelled using like over a dozen populations, which is obviously too much. What you need to do is clear the SOURCE tab of all referrence samples except the ones relevant to your target. For example, you're a Parsi, so for yourself you should leave an Iranian referrence as well as Indian ones from the region you come from.

[Randommembr]

Vahaduo isn't that complicated as it might seem at first glance. In the TARGET tab you enter the coordinates of either the individual sample or the population average you're interested in. The SOURCE tab is the database, but you can edit it by removing and adding samples. It resets once you refresh the page. The SINGLE and MULTI tabs are used to model your target referrence according to the samples in the database. The algorthim tries to get the closest possible fit, so if you leave the SOURCE tab intact, your target will get modelled using like over a dozen populations, which is obviously too much. What you need to do is clear the SOURCE tab of all referrence samples except the ones relevant to your target. For example, you're a Parsi, so for yourself you should leave an Iranian referrence as well as Indian ones from the region you come from.

Ah ok ok. Which samples would I leave for the Romani? I'm thinking North India, Central Asia, West Asia and South European, right? I'll use those and fine a Romany average from 3-4 kits.

[CommonSense]

Ah ok ok. Which samples would I leave for the Romani? I'm thinking North India, Central Asia, West Asia and South European, right? I'll use those and fine a Romany average from 3-4 kits.

I already made one myself, it's right there in the vahaduo database. I got a pretty good fit if I used Chamars, Macedonians and either West Armenians or Cappadocian Greeks.

[Randommembr]

I already made one myself, it's right there in the vahaduo database. I got a pretty good fit if I used Chamars, Macedonians and either West Armenians or Cappadocian Greeks.

Where do I find the average in Vahaduo? What calculator? Which country Romanys did you use? Did you leave any South Asian samples as well?

[CommonSense]

Where do I find the average in Vahaduo? What calculator? Which country Romanys did you use? Did you leave any South Asian samples as well?

It's on K13 updated labeled as 'Balkan_Gypsy'. The samples I used are all on the page of the thread I already linked, they are from various Balkan countries.

[Randommembr]

..

[Randommembr]

It's on K13 updated labeled as 'Balkan_Gypsy'. The samples I used are all on the page of the thread I already linked, they are from various Balkan countries.

Thanks for your help. Using your method for the balkan sample, I got about the same 1/4 Armenian West, 1/3 Chamar and the rest Euro, so I guess around 1/3 Euro, Central and West Asian and Caucasus makes sense for a gypsy on average I guess from the Balkans.

For me, I used an Indian and Iranian sample like you said. I got 90 percent Iran CentralEast and 10 percent Gujarati. Using the regular Iranian sample, my split was 80 Iranian and 20 Gujju. My distance to Iran Central East was about 5 and to Gujarat about 45. Gypsy Roma's closest population (after other gypsys) was actually Parsi India at about 22. With Parsi Indian and Iranian sample, I got 65 Parsi and 35 Iranian.

Vahaduo is really interesting. thanks for all your help.