atypical result of Armenians

[harutsafaryan07]

they are all from diaspora

1)

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 15.30
Siberian 1.20
Northwest_African 0.15
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 14.55
North_European 11.89
South_Asian 2.24
East_African 2.70
Southwest_Asian 9.70
East_Asian 0
Caucasus 42.27
Sub_Saharan 0

Distance to: .
7.09016220 Turk_Central_East
8.15598553 Turk_Central_West
8.41763031 Turk_East
8.64686070 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.19201284 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.23032502 Turk_Southeast
9.52668358 Turk_South
9.70898553 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.22568335 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.47509427 Azerbaijani
10.95435986 Turk_Southwest
11.23546172 Greek_Cappadocia
11.61269564 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.63775322 Armenian_East
11.76790975 Turk_Cyprus
12.26860220 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.46171337 Zaza
12.49478291 Turk_Northwest
12.85232664 Greek_Crete
12.95861875 Greek_Kos
12.99321746 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.05345548 Kabardin
13.17689265 Greek_Rhodes
13.38535394 Abazin
13.41413434 Adyghe

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 5.03
Baltic 6.69
West_Med 14.40
West_Asian 30.93
East_Med 28.20
Red_Sea 2.28
South_Asian 6.40
East_Asian 0
Siberian 1.79
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0.24
Northeast_African 3.17
Sub-Saharan 0.87


Distance to: .
7.00482691 Turk_Turkey_average
7.07516078 Turkish_mixed
7.74185378 Turk_East
7.96163300 Turk_Central_East
7.96859461 Turk_South_East
8.94997765 Turk_Anatolia
8.98125826 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.12048244 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.69038183 Turk_South
9.92612210 Turk_Central_West
10.07446773 Azeri
10.16036417 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.05337053 Zaza
11.33238722 Turkmen_Iraq
11.39280475 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
12.49359436 Greek_Cappadocian
12.57555963 Kurd_Sorani
12.65449327 Turk_North_West
12.82463645 Armenian
12.96804920 Greek_Trabzon
12.99205911 Armenian_East
13.04832939 Armenian_West
13.52042899 Kurd_Iran
13.67797134 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.73418363 Greek_Caucasus


2)
Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 15.92 Pct
Siberian 0.62 Pct
Northwest_African 0
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 13.03 Pct
North_European 12.92 Pct
South_Asian 0
East_African 0
Southwest_Asian 12.68 Pct
East_Asian 0
Caucasus 44.83 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0

Distance to: Ani
6.75820242 Turk_East
8.05470049 Turk_Central_East
8.10499846 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.76917898 Armenian_East
9.86746675 Turk_Central_West
9.96379948 Turk_Southeast
10.04811425 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.36756481 Greek_Cappadocia
10.41070123 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.70160736 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.91719744 Azerbaijani
10.95085841 Turk_South
11.35551408 Armenian_West
11.48870315 Zaza
11.82638998 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.88903697 Turk_Ahiska
12.12670607 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.53427301 Adyghe
12.55532955 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.59588028 Turk_East_Black_Sea
12.68637458 Turk_Cyprus
12.91665204 Assyrian_West
13.11530785 Assyrian_North
13.20209453 Azeri_Jew
13.20925433 Turk_Southwest

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 7.57
Baltic 8.37
West_Med 11.06
West_Asian 32.45
East_Med 33.88
Red_Sea 4.45
South_Asian 0.80
East_Asian 0.32
Siberian 0.76
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0.33
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

Distance to: Ani
7.51040611 Turk_South_East
8.18083737 Turk_Turkey_average
8.25619767 Turk_East
8.28701394 Turkish_mixed
8.65293592 Turk_Central_East
9.76963664 Armenian
9.77178592 Armenian_West
9.97047642 Greek_Trabzon
10.14704883 Greek_Cappadocian
10.27106129 Armenian_East
10.32458716 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.51029495 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.65402741 Turkmen_Iraq
10.65627045 Georgian_Jewish
10.71114373 Turk_Central_West
10.86368262 Turk_Anatolia
10.94752027 Azeri
11.11289791 Greek_Caucasus
11.36502970 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
11.47197455 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
11.71583971 Zaza
11.80597730 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.91772629 Assyrian_North
12.00660651 Assyrian_West
12.08092712 Turk_South


3)
Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 15.37
Siberian 0
Northwest_African 1.76
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 16.91
North_European 10.31
South_Asian 1.17
East_African 0
Southwest_Asian 13.09
East_Asian 0.16
Caucasus 41.22
Sub_Saharan 0

Distance to: Nora
7.46710787 Turk_Central_East
8.15825962 Turk_Central_West
8.51493981 Turk_Cyprus
8.95144122 Greek_Cappadocia
8.99286384 Turk_Southeast
9.01410007 Turk_East
9.18520005 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.50607700 Greek_Kos
9.71320750 Greek_Rhodes
10.16288345 Turk_South
10.26686905 Greek_Crete
10.29564957 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.61454662 Nusayri_Turkey
10.72543239 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.02496712 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.11164704 Azerbaijani
11.48143284 Turk_Southwest
11.59078945 Armenian_East
11.66917735 Greek_Cypriot
11.68732219 Greek_Fournoi
12.21351710 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.38413501 Armenian_West
12.45693381 Greek_Izmir
12.51640523 Zaza
12.62864205 Lebanese_Muslim


Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 6.72
Baltic 6.77
West_Med 16.54
West_Asian 29.51
East_Med 30.99
Red_Sea 5.34
South_Asian 3.38
East_Asian 0
Siberian 0
Amerindian 0.23
Oceanian 0.52
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0

Distance to: Nora
7.21625249 Turkish_mixed
7.28018544 Greek_Cappadocian
8.29713203 Turk_Turkey_average
8.67702714 Turk_Central_East
9.06302929 Turk_South_East
9.49328710 Turk_East
9.84086886 Turk_Central_West
9.94179561 Turk_Anatolia
10.38519138 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.11488641 Turk_South
11.16693781 Greek_Trabzon
11.41840181 Armenian_West
11.91252702 Armenian
12.22369011 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.25521930 Turkmen_Iraq
12.31477568 Greek_Chios
12.50782955 Nusayri
12.57817952 Greek_Caucasus
12.68125782 Azeri
12.78669621 Armenian_East
12.83111842 Georgian_Jewish
12.85830860 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
13.06651828 Assyrian_West
13.09349839 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.12413426 Assyrian_North



i doubt they mixed from the results looks Armenian but excluded in that they get a bit high North European

[Mejgusu]

Maybe Armenian from Istanbul/Western Turkey with some (Anatolian)Greek ancestry? Besides of the high NE they have more Atl_Med and even one has very low SW-Asian.

[harutsafaryan07]

Maybe Armenian from Istanbul/Western Turkey with some (Anatolian)Greek ancestry? Besides of the high NE they have more Atl_Med and even one has very low SW-Asian.

quite possible I guess also Armenians from Cappadocian as Sivas and Kayseri can have some Greek mix too

[Mejgusu]

quite possible I guess also Armenians from Cappadocian as Sivas and Kayseri can have some Greek mix too

But i doubt that the Greeks there had that amount of NE-Europe, Greeks from Kayseri werent much more European than Armenians. On the other hand, Istanbul was quite diverse regarding the Christian population and Western/NW-Anatolian Greeks(as far i know there were some Armenian communities in NW-Anatolia) were closer to mainland Greeks. This samples are still too Armenian for being mixed with a genetically different people like Russians or Americans. Either they have some Greek ancestry or they are just sone isolated Armenians?

[harutsafaryan07]

But i doubt that the Greeks there had that amount of NE-Europe, Greeks from Kayseri werent much more European than Armenians. On the other hand, Istanbul was quite diverse regarding the Christian population and Western/NW-Anatolian Greeks(as far i know there were some Armenian communities in NW-Anatolia) were closer to mainland Greeks. This samples are still too Armenian for being mixed with a genetically different people like Russians or Americans. Either they have some Greek ancestry or they are just sone isolated Armenians?

i guess they can have Greek ancestry

[Mejgusu]

i guess they can have Greek ancestry

Target: Ar1
Distance: 4.9579% / 4.95787889 | ADC: 1x RC
51.1 Turk_East
32.0 Greek_Crete
16.9 Turk_Central_East

Target: Ar2
Distance: 1.3990% / 1.39902279 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.5 Armenian_East
20.9 Pomak_Greece
18.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

Target: Ar3
Distance: 4.0949% / 4.09491850 | ADC: 1x RC
51.7 Turk_Central_East
31.0 Greek_Kos
17.3 Greek_Cappadocia

I don’t want exlude the possibility of Caucasian ancestry too but it rather looks like they are more Greek shifted.

[FinalFlash]

More than anything, this tells me that non-Anatolian Turks are very Armenian-like.

[harutsafaryan07]

another result.

Y Dna: J-M267
Mdna: H5

Have Armenian Name and Surname maybe Armenian Cyprus ? also some NW African.

Gedrosia 11.37 Pct
Siberian 0.24 Pct
Northwest_African 3.00 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 19.45 Pct
North_European 8.79 Pct
South_Asian 0.50 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 43.30 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: .
5.39657299 Turk_Cyprus
5.67277710 Greek_Rhodes
5.76753847 Greek_Cappadocia
6.01651893 Greek_Kos
7.62196169 Greek_Cypriot
8.28000000 Greek_Crete
9.12179807 Greek_Icaria
9.35384413 Nusayri_Turkey
9.56247353 Greek_Fournoi
10.55414610 Greek_Izmir

[Mejgusu]

another result.

Y Dna: J-M267
Mdna: H5

Have Armenian Name and Surname maybe Armenian Cyprus ? also some NW African.

Gedrosia 11.37 Pct
Siberian 0.24 Pct
Northwest_African 3.00 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 19.45 Pct
North_European 8.79 Pct
South_Asian 0.50 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 43.30 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: .
5.39657299 Turk_Cyprus
5.67277710 Greek_Rhodes
5.76753847 Greek_Cappadocia
6.01651893 Greek_Kos
7.62196169 Greek_Cypriot
8.28000000 Greek_Crete
9.12179807 Greek_Icaria
9.35384413 Nusayri_Turkey
9.56247353 Greek_Fournoi
10.55414610 Greek_Izmir

Maybe mixed with Greek? At least that is not typical Armenian result, also it hasn’t enough NE for Greek(+Islanders). Maybe Armenian+Anatolian Greek and Greek Islander/Mainlander mix, that would explain this result. NW-Africa can be high in all of this groups.

Target: Greek/Armen?
Distance: 2.8683% / 2.86828925 | ADC: 1x RC
44.1 Greek_Cappadocia
35.5 Greek_Rhodes
20.4 Turk_Cyprus

Target: Greek/Armen?
Distance: 1.4549% / 1.45492586 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.4 Greek_Kos
23.0 Greek_Cappadocia
21.6 Turk_East

[Ayetooey]

another result.

Y Dna: J-M267
Mdna: H5

Have Armenian Name and Surname maybe Armenian Cyprus ? also some NW African.

Gedrosia 11.37 Pct
Siberian 0.24 Pct
Northwest_African 3.00 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 19.45 Pct
North_European 8.79 Pct
South_Asian 0.50 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 43.30 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: .
5.39657299 Turk_Cyprus
5.67277710 Greek_Rhodes
5.76753847 Greek_Cappadocia
6.01651893 Greek_Kos
7.62196169 Greek_Cypriot
8.28000000 Greek_Crete
9.12179807 Greek_Icaria
9.35384413 Nusayri_Turkey
9.56247353 Greek_Fournoi
10.55414610 Greek_Izmir

Can you post the k13?

[Ayetooey]

another result.

Y Dna: J-M267
Mdna: H5

Have Armenian Name and Surname maybe Armenian Cyprus ? also some NW African.

Gedrosia 11.37 Pct
Siberian 0.24 Pct
Northwest_African 3.00 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 19.45 Pct
North_European 8.79 Pct
South_Asian 0.50 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 43.30 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: .
5.39657299 Turk_Cyprus
5.67277710 Greek_Rhodes
5.76753847 Greek_Cappadocia
6.01651893 Greek_Kos
7.62196169 Greek_Cypriot
8.28000000 Greek_Crete
9.12179807 Greek_Icaria
9.35384413 Nusayri_Turkey
9.56247353 Greek_Fournoi
10.55414610 Greek_Izmir

Can you post the k13?

[harutsafaryan07]

Maybe mixed with Greek? At least that is not typical Armenian result, also it hasn’t enough NE for Greek(+Islanders). Maybe Armenian+Anatolian Greek and Greek Islander/Mainlander mix, that would explain this result. NW-Africa can be high in all of this groups.

Target: Greek/Armen?
Distance: 2.8683% / 2.86828925 | ADC: 1x RC
44.1 Greek_Cappadocia
35.5 Greek_Rhodes
20.4 Turk_Cyprus

Target: Greek/Armen?
Distance: 1.4549% / 1.45492586 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.4 Greek_Kos
23.0 Greek_Cappadocia
21.6 Turk_East

I think it's possible, but is NW African also happens in Greek Islander?

[harutsafaryan07]

Can you post the k13?

North_Atlantic 10.74 Pct
Baltic 3.75 Pct
West_Med 18.88 Pct
West_Asian 24.23 Pct
East_Med 33.86 Pct
Red_Sea 6.06 Pct
South_Asian 2.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.23 Pct
Northeast_African 0.19 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: .
6.02587753 Greek_Chios
6.13416661 Greek_Cappadocia
6.76005177 Greek_Dodecanese
8.67817953 Greek_Symi
8.98085185 Cypriot_Turkish
9.74890763 Greek_Crete
9.84785256 Greek_North_Aegean
9.92778424 Alawite
10.09329480 Cypriot_Greek
10.87487471 Italian_Calabria
11.45408661 Lebanese_Muslim
12.67424948 Turkish_Westcentral
12.72538015 Maltese
12.94837055 Italian_Campania
13.15844596 Turkish_Eastcentral
13.23956948 Jew_Sephardi
13.68290905 Greek_Ionia
13.71021517 Syrian
14.25947755 Turkish
14.38400501 Italian_Sicily
14.39210200 Greek_Cyclades
14.71390159 Italian_Apulia
14.86652279 Greek_Andros
14.96964929 Turkish_South
15.08979125 Jew_Tunisia

[Mejgusu]

I think it's possible, but is NW African also happens in Greek Islander?

Yes, if I am not wrong especially among them. Maybe there is a Cypriot ancestor too? At least we can say there are some Armenians in Greece, maybe this person is from there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_Greece