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Here is new thread for Croatian DNA results (autosomal, Y-dna, mtDNA, commercial companies, gedmatch etc) I figured common south Slavic thread has no sense anymore since Macedonians, Serbs and Bulgarians already have their own separate threads so I'll make this one open for all Croatian results. Also post here mixed Croat results if a person identifies as Croat, they are very welcome.
Older threads with Croatian results:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320456-Croat-K13-regional-(and-national)-averages
My own results, I'm posting Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b because I consider them two best calculators for Europeans.
Eurogenes K13
1 Baltic 35.43
2 North_Atlantic 27.8
3 West_Med 15.9
4 West_Asian 10.2
5 East_Med 9.6
6 East_Asian 0.78
7 Siberian 0.28
8 Red_Sea 0.01
Distance to: Stearsolina
4.43407262 Croat_East
4.58758106 Croat
4.64383462 Croat_North
4.86671347 Hungarian_Alföld
5.52196523 Ukrainian_Carpathian
5.58499776 Moldova_North
5.64875207 Hungarian
5.68233227 Slovenian
5.71636248 Hungarian_Northern
6.01780691 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.12248316 Croat_South
6.23436444 Croat_West
6.46706270 Bosniak
6.47602502 Slovak
6.74849613 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.03102411 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.04628271 Csángó-Ceangău
7.75973582 Serb_north
8.23706258 Hungarian_Transylvania
8.41052912 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.48905177 Székely
8.71612299 Czech
8.91845839 Moldova_Centre
8.93303420 Moldova_average
9.21777630 Serb
Dodecad K12b
1 North_European 45.91
2 Atlantic_Med 27.32
3 Caucasus 19.52
4 Gedrosia 4.41
5 Southwest_Asian 2.21
6 Southeast_Asian 0.44
7 South_Asian 0.19
8 Siberian 0.01
Distance to: Stearsolina
3.11834892 Croat
4.12091009 Slovenian
4.33944697 Hungarians
4.35176975 Bosnian
4.80616271 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
5.09384923 Moldova_North
7.77837387 Serb
7.86892623 Slovak
7.93857040 Hungarian_Szekely
8.03882454 Czech
8.40050594 Moldova_Center
11.46516899 Montenegrin
11.77862046 Sorb_Lusatia
12.10350776 Bavarian_German
12.21900569 German
12.78978890 Ukrainian
13.45901928 Romanian
13.63672615 Macedonian
13.70654223 Polish_mixed
13.70984683 Dutch
14.74014247 Moldova_South
14.79189981 Bulgarian_West
14.81627484 Polish_Mazovia
14.86053162 Russian_Oryol
15.02981038 Russian_Voronezh
Myheritage result:
https://i.imgur.com/ZzWpky4.png
I won't be reposting my family and friends since I posted their results in previous threads in the OP, but here is info about my paternal Y-DNA.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A5913/
Approximate place of origin:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZBUDU2EwZnY/XRl8VhzuQqI/AAAAAAAAAJc/eJY6v_vWOMwdWHREpSjGrLWblf1yxz9WwCLcBGAs/s1600/A5913.png
https://southslavsdna.blogspot.com/2019/
Vrazijadivizija
02-07-2021, 11:38 PM
My results :D
K13: Baltic 36.25
North Atlantic 22.79
East Med15.95
West Med 15.83
West Asian 5.52
South Asian 1.57
Amerindian 1.12
Siberian 0.5
Red Sea 0.48
....
Distance to: Vrazijadivizija
6.13259325 Bosniak
6.55757577 Moldova_North
6.66949773 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
6.79203946 Croat_East
6.98458302 Croat_South
7.33283710 Serb_north
7.63256182 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.74457875 Moldova_Centre
7.78314204 Moldova_average
7.82906763 Croat
8.13129141 Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.22624459 Serb_central
8.24379767 Serb
8.29945179 Croat_West
9.09217796 Romania_Maramures
9.42747580 Hungarian_Alföld
9.48362273 Csángó
9.86709684 Croat_North
10.02224526 Hungarian_Northern
10.47479833 Székely
10.49090082 Hungarian
10.52422919 Serb_south
10.77053388 Romania_Moldavia_South
10.95496235 Hungarian_Transylvania
11.13471598 Slovenian
11.27194748 Romania_Crisana
Dodecad K12b
1.North_European 44.36
2.Atlantic_Med 25.75
3.Caucasus 20.26
4.Gedrosia 4.95
5.Southwest_Asian 3.99
6.Siberian 0.66
Distance to: Vrazijadivizija
1.95576072 Bosnian
2.13579025 Croat
2.65857104 MD_North
5.70925564 Slovenian
5.82388187 Serb
5.87009370 MD_Center
6.02095507 Hungarians
6.05746647 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
6.46751884 HUN_Szekely
9.41456850 Slovak
9.54276689 Montenegrin
10.02157672 Czech
11.36346338 Romanian
11.62947118 Macedonian
12.50442722 MD_South
12.60450713 Bulgarian_West
12.81068304 Bavarian_German
12.99349453 Pomak_Bulgaria
13.57137797 Bulgarian_Central
13.61808357 Sorb_Lusatia
14.03380205 German
14.04521983 Ukrainian
14.53403248 Pomak_Greece
15.39170556 Dutch
15.42322923 Polish_mixed
105894
105893
105895
Y-DNA: l-M423
Mdna: Unknown
Vrazijadivizija
02-07-2021, 11:39 PM
My results :D
K13: Baltic 36.25
North Atlantic 22.79
East Med15.95
West Med 15.83
West Asian 5.52
South Asian 1.57
Amerindian 1.12
Siberian 0.5
Red Sea 0.48
....
Distance to: Vrazijadivizija
6.13259325 Bosniak
6.55757577 Moldova_North
6.66949773 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
6.79203946 Croat_East
6.98458302 Croat_South
7.33283710 Serb_north
7.63256182 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.74457875 Moldova_Centre
7.78314204 Moldova_average
7.82906763 Croat
8.22624459 Serb_central
8.24379767 Serb
8.29945179 Croat_West
9.09217796 Romania_Maramures
9.42747580 Hungarian_Alföld
9.48362273 Csángó
9.86709684 Croat_North
10.02224526 Hungarian_Northern
10.47479833 Székely
10.49090082 Hungarian
10.52422919 Serb_south
10.77053388 Romania_Moldavia_South
10.95496235 Hungarian_Transylvania
11.13471598 Slovenian
11.27194748 Romania_Crisana
105894
105893
105895
YDNA: l-M423
MTDNA: Unknown
^^^^Nice :)
Could you post your Dodecad K12b results too? On updated Vahaduo ofcourse.
Edit: thanks for posting! :thumbsup:
YDNA: L-M423
MTDNA: Unknown
You mean I-M423, right? :) I2-din, like my dad.
Vrazijadivizija
02-07-2021, 11:58 PM
You mean I-M423, right? :) I2-din, like my dad.
Yeah haha i always put that "L" instead of l..well its no wonder that i got din haplogroup after all..part of family did migrate from the south there like 400 years ago. ill post my Dodecad K12b as soon as my Gedmatch kit uploads once again.
vbnetkhio
02-08-2021, 05:02 PM
Burgenalnd Croats
Population
North_Atlantic 32.92 Pct
Baltic 33.18 Pct
West_Med 14.21 Pct
West_Asian 5.53 Pct
East_Med 12.11 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.4 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Amerindian 1.24 Pct
Oceanian 0.27 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct
Population
North_Atlantic 29.72 Pct
Baltic 31.29 Pct
West_Med 15.92 Pct
West_Asian 7.42 Pct
East_Med 10.9 Pct
Red_Sea 2 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 2.02 Pct
Oceanian 0.45 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.29 Pc
vbnetkhio
02-08-2021, 05:04 PM
from Istria and Zagorje
opulation
North_Atlantic 25.99 Pct
Baltic 34.39 Pct
West_Med 16.22 Pct
West_Asian 4.77 Pct
East_Med 16.02 Pct
Red_Sea 0.92 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.58 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.1 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
vbnetkhio
02-08-2021, 05:19 PM
now i'll post some unconfirmed ones, but it's a region with a lack of samples so it will be helpful. the first one is a common match of other Slavonian Croats I have, and the other 2 have "Osijek" in ther e-mail.
Slav1,24.66,32.02,16.95,7.88,15.93,0.57,0,0,0.34,0 .76,0.9,0,0
Slav2,23.8,30.31,18.61,8.28,13.34,2.07,1.69,0.52,0 .89,0.5,0,0,0
Slav3,24.18,34.67,15.2,6.88,14.22,1.54,0.74,0,1.33 ,0.33,0.7,0.2,0
ill post my Dodecad K12b as soon as my Gedmatch kit uploads once again.
I'd like to see it too.
Vrazijadivizija
02-08-2021, 06:05 PM
I'd like to see it too.
Its in my first post..i ve just edited it.
Varda
02-08-2021, 06:16 PM
Croatian, surname Starčević.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=105911&d=1612811791
Croatian, surname Starčević 105911
Already posted years ago, he is Bunjevac from Lič. Please don't repost samples we already have in database to create confusion, this is for unseen new samples.
It would be better if you stayed away from this topic.
Varda
02-08-2021, 06:23 PM
Already posted years ago, he is Bunjevac from Lič. Please don't repost samples we already have in database to create confusion, this is for unseen new samples.
It would be better if you stayed away from this topic.
So what? His result is on "South Slavs and neighbors" thread. He should be here.
Hey nordist, are you dislike his result because it's too southern for your taste? :)
Btw you father look like Turkmen on your avatar. xD
So what? His result is on "South Slavs and neighbors" thread. He should be here.
Hey nordist, are you dislike his result because it's too southern for your taste?
Btw you father look like Turkmen on your avatar. xD
He looks like typical Croat. This isn't thread to repost results from older threads, which are already in database and easily visible by few clicks, which is why I am not reposting my own family and friends. Thank you.
From epče, central Bosnia
K13
1 Baltic 34.14
2 North_Atlantic 25.89
3 West_Med 17.25
4 East_Med 13.05
5 West_Asian 6.32
6 Red_Sea 1.31
7 Amerindian 1.23
8 Oceanian 0.81
K12b
1 North_European 45.03
2 Atlantic_Med 27.2
3 Caucasus 20.19
4 Southwest_Asian 4.41
5 Gedrosia 2.46
6 South_Asian 0.71
From Peljeac peninsula in southern Dalmatia
K13
1 Baltic 34.53
2 North_Atlantic 25.32
3 West_Med 14.13
4 East_Med 13.34
5 West_Asian 7.86
6 Red_Sea 2.12
7 East_Asian 1.77
8 South_Asian 0.82
9 Northeast_African 0.06
10 Oceanian 0.06
K12b
1 North_European 45.47
2 Atlantic_Med 24.24
3 Caucasus 17.74
4 Southwest_Asian 5.89
5 Gedrosia 4.1
6 Northwest_African 1
7 South_Asian 0.92
8 Southeast_Asian 0.62
Thanks to the person who provided these kits - Vbnethkio. He helped immensely to fill Croatian database and because of such great posters Croatian-Serbian relations in genetic threads need to be as civil as possible. Hvala!
If there are more Croatian Dodecad results, a new average can be made. At least the origin of samples will be known.
If there are more Croatian Dodecad results, a new average can be made. At least the origin of samples will be known.
I have it in plans to collect good amount of samples for K12b data and new average, but current average is very decent already.
I have it in plans to collect good amount of samples for K12b data and new average, but current average is very decent already.
D K12b is a relatively simple calculator, it doesn't require a ton of samples. I mean 100 Croats are not even needed for a national average.
D K12b is a relatively simple calculator, it doesn't require a ton of samples. I mean 100 Croats are not even needed for a national average.
20-30 samples from all regions of country to make a weighted average should be enough, what do you think?
20-30 samples from all regions of country to make a weighted average should be enough, what do you think?
Yes but you can also make several averages for macroregions. Dushan claimed a lot of Croats would be like p2hter :D
Yes but you can also make several averages for macroregions. Dushan claimed a lot of Croats would be like p2hter :D
Can try. In NW Croatia yes :) But from what I saw he is bit more northern shifted than average for NW Croats.
Can try. In NW Croatia yes :) But from what I saw he is bit more northern shifted than average for NW Croats.
Yeah, his North_European was massive from what I remember. 49% or so.
Varda
02-09-2021, 12:46 PM
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Croatian from central Bosnia https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=84539511&postcount=480
Croatian from central Bosnia https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=84539511&postcount=480
Thanks! Now this is something I want here, to post new results like that one, which can be added to database.
I'll repost them here:
Central Bosnia K13
North_Atlantic 26.4 Pct
Baltic 28.34 Pct
West_Med 16.5 Pct
West_Asian 7.61 Pct
East_Med 17.66 Pct
Red_Sea 0.88 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Siberian 0.2 Pct
Amerindian 1.22 Pct
Oceanian 0.7 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
vbnetkhio
02-11-2021, 03:02 PM
these are all from the same account, all seem to be Croats from Lika.
some were already in the database but now i ran all of them.
_North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfrSub0Saharan
Lika128.1526.5818.469.8713.320.050.180.000.211.340 .770.001.05
Lika234.2729.2315.929.955.371.280.850.181.200.780. 980.000.00
Lika330.1229.5114.245.8515.351.991.080.000.000.191 .230.420.00
Lika428.5929.9616.637.4114.201.170.000.001.480.070 .000.500.00
Lika527.5630.8015.038.8912.163.150.110.000.000.411 .100.000.79
Lika630.5831.2516.088.608.652.100.480.001.040.610. 000.410.19
Lika726.8131.6514.087.4716.921.540.000.000.000.460 .670.000.41
Lika834.0931.8813.802.9614.240.000.000.000.811.081 .140.000.00
Lika926.3532.0418.867.1413.940.000.000.930.240.000 .500.000.00
Lika1025.7032.5517.107.1814.131.560.000.000.890.59 0.280.000.00
Lika1124.2032.7016.457.7515.400.770.850.001.620.26 0.000.000.00
Lika1220.4733.9617.299.8915.030.000.731.530.000.95 0.140.000.00
Lika1327.9034.3413.704.5513.323.730.320.901.060.00 0.170.000.00
Lika1425.3235.0913.339.4414.200.340.760.001.120.39 0.000.000.00
Lika1524.0635.3016.5710.629.852.180.000.000.240.43 0.750.000.00
Lika1627.9835.4114.225.2515.510.000.000.810.110.00 0.720.000.00
Lika1726.2335.7515.198.509.362.450.170.001.440.640 .280.000.00
Lika_avg27.5532.2415.707.7213.001.310.330.260.670. 480.510.080.14
with a sample from Senj there is 18 of them so the average for the region is confirmed.
2 new, courtesy of @MoroLP
Slavonia
North_Atlantic 30.12
Baltic 34.02
West_Med 14.67
West_Asian 4.89
East_Med 12.49
Red_Sea 0.9
South_Asian 1.16
East_Asian 0
Siberian 1.69
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0
Dalmatia (Hinterland)
North_Atlantic 23.64
Baltic 33.24
West_Med 15.32
West_Asian 10.74
East_Med 11.45
Red_Sea 2.48
South_Asian 0.03
East_Asian 0.52
Siberian 0.93
Amerindian 0.92
Oceanian 0.75
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0
these are all from the same account, all seem to be Croats from Lika.
some were already in the database but now i ran all of them.
with a sample from Senj there is 18 of them so the average for the region is confirmed.
Added! (Moro included unseen samples from here into new Lika-Senj average) :)
CommonSense
03-12-2021, 02:38 PM
Croat from Central Bosnia (Busovača (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busova%C4%8Da)):
Kit LN7448090
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.91
2 North_Atlantic 24.21
3 East_Med 16.38
4 West_Med 14.38
5 West_Asian 6.94
6 South_Asian 1.88
7 Siberian 1.29
8 Red_Sea 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.14
2 Croatian 6.97
3 Serbian 8.13
4 Hungarian 9.56
5 Romanian 10.64
6 Bulgarian 11.96
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.03
8 South_Polish 12.51
9 Ukrainian 12.61
10 Austrian 14.14
11 East_German 14.51
12 Southwest_Russian 15.14
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.72
14 Polish 15.88
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.35
16 Estonian_Polish 17.52
17 Belorussian 18.08
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.47
19 Greek_Thessaly 20.36
20 Erzya 20.69
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.2% Ukrainian + 29.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.19
2 53.1% Belorussian + 46.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.3
3 53.9% Estonian_Polish + 46.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.38
4 60.8% Bulgarian + 39.2% Belorussian @ 3.5
5 52.7% Greek_Thessaly + 47.3% Lithuanian @ 3.51
6 60% Bulgarian + 40% Estonian_Polish @ 3.52
7 74.9% Ukrainian + 25.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.55
8 57.7% Southwest_Russian + 42.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.58
9 64.8% Estonian_Polish + 35.2% South_Italian @ 3.63
10 64% Belorussian + 36% South_Italian @ 3.7
11 75% Ukrainian + 25% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.73
12 65.6% Southwest_Russian + 34.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.74
13 66.3% Bulgarian + 33.7% Lithuanian @ 3.76
14 62.7% Estonian_Polish + 37.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.78
15 67.9% Estonian_Polish + 32.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.8
16 56.4% Bulgarian + 43.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.83
17 61.4% Estonian_Polish + 38.6% Central_Greek @ 3.84
18 58.6% Lithuanian + 41.4% South_Italian @ 3.85
19 60.6% Belorussian + 39.4% Central_Greek @ 3.87
20 71.2% Southwest_Russian + 28.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.92
CommonSense
04-16-2021, 07:56 PM
Croatian-American woman. Her entire recent ancestry is from the village Jezerane in Lika, the same place my great grandmother was born. She's a relatively close match of both myself and my mother:
Kit GG4109096
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.92
2 North_Atlantic 25.46
3 West_Med 16.84
4 East_Med 12.84
5 West_Asian 11.26
6 Siberian 1.36
7 Oceanian 0.6
8 Amerindian 0.5
9 Red_Sea 0.13
10 Northeast_African 0.1
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.32
2 Serbian 5.24
3 Croatian 6.94
4 Romanian 7.58
5 Hungarian 8.27
6 Bulgarian 9.55
7 Austrian 11.87
8 East_German 12.85
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.2
10 South_Polish 13.94
11 Ukrainian 14.4
12 Polish 17.55
13 Southwest_Russian 17.8
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.94
15 West_German 18.03
16 Greek_Thessaly 18.42
17 South_Dutch 19.52
18 Russian_Smolensk 19.65
19 Estonian_Polish 20.26
20 French 20.27
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.1% Moldavian + 32.9% Romanian @ 2.52
2 73.1% Moldavian + 26.9% Bulgarian @ 2.7
3 86.9% Moldavian + 13.1% Tuscan @ 2.7
4 66.6% Romanian + 33.4% Ukrainian @ 2.71
5 58.9% Croatian + 41.1% Bulgarian @ 2.73
6 86.1% Moldavian + 13.9% North_Italian @ 2.75
7 52.6% Croatian + 47.4% Romanian @ 2.76
8 88% Moldavian + 12% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.77
9 57.4% Moldavian + 42.6% Serbian @ 2.81
10 64.7% Romanian + 35.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.83
11 89% Moldavian + 11% West_Sicilian @ 2.92
12 60% Bulgarian + 40% South_Polish @ 2.92
13 90.3% Moldavian + 9.7% South_Italian @ 2.94
14 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Central_Greek @ 2.97
15 85.4% Moldavian + 14.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.99
16 58.6% Bulgarian + 41.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.02
17 80% Croatian + 20% Central_Greek @ 3.02
18 60.8% Bulgarian + 39.2% Ukrainian @ 3.03
19 66.2% Romanian + 33.8% South_Polish @ 3.05
20 71.4% Romanian + 28.6% Polish @ 3.1
I've sent this kit to Stearsolina, she said he is likely a Croat but may as well be a Serb
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.89
2 North_Atlantic 27.18
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 10.25
5 West_Asian 8.48
6 Red_Sea 2.28
7 East_Asian 1.23
8 Siberian 0.9
9 Amerindian 0.72
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Sub-Saharan 0.2
12 Northeast_African 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.59
2 Croatian 4.4
3 Hungarian 5.86
4 Serbian 6.28
5 Austrian 9.42
6 East_German 10.01
7 Romanian 10.05
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.67
9 South_Polish 11.43
10 Ukrainian 12.07
11 Bulgarian 12.38
12 Polish 14.87
13 Southwest_Russian 16
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.24
15 West_German 16.47
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.31
17 South_Dutch 17.75
18 Estonian_Polish 17.9
19 Belorussian 18.52
20 French 19.05
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% French @ 1.76
2 69.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.5% Tuscan @ 1.81
3 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Southwest_French @ 1.83
4 92.4% Moldavian + 7.6% French_Basque @ 1.83
5 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.86
6 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.88
7 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.9
8 84.5% Croatian + 15.5% North_Italian @ 1.92
9 88.7% Moldavian + 11.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.93
10 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Tuscan @ 1.96
11 85.5% Moldavian + 14.5% South_Dutch @ 1.97
12 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.97
13 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.98
14 89.6% Moldavian + 10.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.01
15 88.6% Moldavian + 11.4% Portuguese @ 2.02
16 89.6% Moldavian + 10.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.06
17 84.8% Moldavian + 15.2% West_German @ 2.08
18 89.5% Moldavian + 10.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.11
19 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Southwest_English @ 2.13
20 76.1% Moldavian + 23.9% Austrian @ 2.15
Ayetooey
04-24-2021, 06:29 PM
From Staševica. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staševica
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/835583145344499764/unknown.png
Ayetooey
04-26-2021, 10:10 PM
From Zadar. Two grandparents from Zemunik Donji two from kabrnja.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/836363283476250625/unknown.png
From Zadar. Two grandparents from Zemunik Donji two from Škabrnja.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/836363283476250625/unknown.png
Interesting, I think Insuperable results are very close to this but with bit lower Baltic (around 26 from my memory). :)
Croat, southerner by a name, but could be mix of Croatian regions because he matches both south and north Croats
North_Atlantic 24.56 Pct
Baltic 34.42 Pct
West_Med 15.7 Pct
West_Asian 7.23 Pct
East_Med 13.03 Pct
Red_Sea 2.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian 0.71 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
I've sent this kit to Stearsolina, she said he is likely a Croat but may as well be a Serb
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.89
2 North_Atlantic 27.18
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 10.25
5 West_Asian 8.48
6 Red_Sea 2.28
7 East_Asian 1.23
8 Siberian 0.9
9 Amerindian 0.72
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Sub-Saharan 0.2
12 Northeast_African 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.59
2 Croatian 4.4
3 Hungarian 5.86
4 Serbian 6.28
5 Austrian 9.42
6 East_German 10.01
7 Romanian 10.05
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.67
9 South_Polish 11.43
10 Ukrainian 12.07
11 Bulgarian 12.38
12 Polish 14.87
13 Southwest_Russian 16
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.24
15 West_German 16.47
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.31
17 South_Dutch 17.75
18 Estonian_Polish 17.9
19 Belorussian 18.52
20 French 19.05
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% French @ 1.76
2 69.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.5% Tuscan @ 1.81
3 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Southwest_French @ 1.83
4 92.4% Moldavian + 7.6% French_Basque @ 1.83
5 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.86
6 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.88
7 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.9
8 84.5% Croatian + 15.5% North_Italian @ 1.92
9 88.7% Moldavian + 11.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.93
10 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Tuscan @ 1.96
11 85.5% Moldavian + 14.5% South_Dutch @ 1.97
12 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.97
13 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.98
14 89.6% Moldavian + 10.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.01
15 88.6% Moldavian + 11.4% Portuguese @ 2.02
16 89.6% Moldavian + 10.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.06
17 84.8% Moldavian + 15.2% West_German @ 2.08
18 89.5% Moldavian + 10.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.11
19 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Southwest_English @ 2.13
20 76.1% Moldavian + 23.9% Austrian @ 2.15
Do you recall name of this guy? I delete in box always so didn't save a message. Iirc his name was Aleksandar (much more common among Serbs, but exist among Croats too), and surname existed among both, but from what I remember bit more common among Croats.
Found results of Krupa family from Karlovac, who have interesting history and oldest Krupa (Alfred Sr.) was a close friend of my paternal grandpa. He came to Karlovac as German soldier during WW2, later he joined to Partisans and settled in Karlovac marrying a local woman. He was from Poland, but their family was ethnically mixed (with Jews especially). Krupa was a successful painter and his descendants (now intermixed with Croats) are established artists too. He never declared as Jewish though, but as Polish and he was small noble from Poland. It looks like he was mix of Jewish Polish and German.
This is his grandson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Freddy_Krupa
More about their interesting origins:
Alfred Freddy Krupa comes from a multiethnic Silesian family of long tradition in visual arts. His family appears in archives of the International Tracing Service as the registered victims of Nazi persecution. His grandfather and first mentor Alfred Krupa Sr.(Alfred Joseph Kruppa, Mikolow, Poland 1915 - Karlovac, Croatia/Yugoslavia 1989, related to the Oppenheim family) the former pupil of Józef Mehoffer was one of the 13 core artists of the Art of Croatian Antifascist Movement (he exhibited at the historic first Partisan exhibition held in Topusko in 1944 on the free territory of Yugoslavia) and founder of the Watercolor Biennal of Yugoslavia . His son Mladen Krupa created the portable metal steel bunker called Kruppa-M91 used during Croatian Homeland War, now under Croatian state protection. According to the Eupedia Krupa belongs to the rare Ashkenazi branch of haplogroup Q and through that paternal lineage is related to J. Robert Oppenheimer, Vilna Gaon, Henry Heimlich, Tony Kushner, Anson Williams, Nicky Oppenheimer, the Piątkowski h. Pomian family and other notables.
Kits I found, these people are already mixed with Croats
This is son who is half Croat half "Polish"
North_Atlantic 32.49 Pct
Baltic 32.8 Pct
West_Med 13.5 Pct
West_Asian 8.77 Pct
East_Med 7.66 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian 1.03 Pct
East_Asian 0.4 Pct
Siberian 1.2 Pct
Amerindian 0.62 Pct
Oceanian 0.23 Pct
Northeast_African 0.39 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
grandson, 3/4 Croat 1/4 "Polish"
North_Atlantic 29.31 Pct
Baltic 35.53 Pct
West_Med 12.76 Pct
West_Asian 9.68 Pct
East_Med 9.58 Pct
Red_Sea 0.83 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.5 Pct
Amerindian 0.48 Pct
Oceanian 0.47 Pct
Northeast_African 0.55 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.32 Pct
Do you recall name of this guy? I delete in box always so didn't save a message. Iirc his name was Aleksandar (much more common among Serbs, but exist among Croats too), and surname existed among both, but from what I remember bit more common among Croats.
Ok, thanks to Leto now we know his surname too.
_____ are almost entirely Croats and they are mostly from Pazin area , rarely Serbs.
Mostly Istrian Croat surname with name Aleksandar, my guess is he is Cro-Srb mix from Istria but I can't be for sure. Could be pure Croat or pure Serb too. This is just most logical guess.
JohnnyP
05-05-2021, 11:01 PM
I know its for full Croatian gedmatch kits but i have one his dad is half Macedonian half Croatian and Mother is Full Croatian , so 75% Croat 25% Macedonian.
Kit M467895
Admix Results (sorted):
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
33.95
2
North_Atlantic
24.28
3
West_Med
16
4
East_Med
13.21
5
West_Asian
9.94
6
Red_Sea
1.13
7
Oceanian
0.8
8
East_Asian
0.64
9
Sub-Saharan
0.06
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Moldavian
3.28
2
Croatian
5.24
3
Serbian
6.9
4
Hungarian
8.78
5
Romanian
9.62
6
Bulgarian
11.12
7
Ukrainian_Lviv
11.2
8
South_Polish
12.19
9
Ukrainian
12.32
10
Austrian
12.87
11
East_German
13.41
12
Southwest_Russian
15.45
13
Polish
15.54
14
Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.58
15
Russian_Smolensk
17.31
16
Estonian_Polish
17.9
17
Belorussian
18.56
18
Kargopol_Russian
19.85
19
West_German
19.94
20
Greek_Thessaly
20.03
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
52.6%
Bulgarian
+
47.4%
Ukrainian
@
1.88
2
50.2%
Bulgarian
+
49.8%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
2.13
3
67.6%
Bulgarian
+
32.4%
Lithuanian
@
2.13
4
61.2%
Bulgarian
+
38.8%
Russian_Smolensk
@
2.13
5
68.9%
Ukrainian
+
31.1%
Central_Greek
@
2.17
6
58.5%
Bulgarian
+
41.5%
Polish
@
2.22
7
69.9%
Croatian
+
30.1%
Bulgarian
@
2.38
8
89.9%
Croatian
+
10.1%
Cyprian
@
2.41
9
62%
Bulgarian
+
38%
Estonian_Polish
@
2.41
10
72.2%
Ukrainian
+
27.8%
South_Italian
@
2.49
11
62.2%
Ukrainian
+
37.8%
Greek_Thessaly
@
2.5
12
52.4%
Bulgarian
+
47.6%
South_Polish
@
2.59
13
70%
Ukrainian
+
30%
East_Sicilian
@
2.63
14
91.4%
Croatian
+
8.6%
Lebanese_Christian
@
2.63
15
63%
Bulgarian
+
37%
Belorussian
@
2.63
16
58.7%
Bulgarian
+
41.3%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
2.69
17
85.7%
Croatian
+
14.3%
Central_Greek
@
2.71
18
91.2%
Croatian
+
8.8%
Assyrian
@
2.73
19
91.4%
Croatian
+
8.6%
Samaritan
@
2.76
20
85.9%
Moldavian
+
14.1%
Bulgarian
@
2.76
</tbody>
Most likely central/north Croat with distant Lika noble roots. Quite "famous" surname, one major of Zagreb had it.
North_Atlantic 29.21 Pct
Baltic 33.79 Pct
West_Med 14.03 Pct
West_Asian 6.93 Pct
East_Med 13.13 Pct
Red_Sea 0.79 Pct
South_Asian 0.28 Pct
East_Asian 0.33 Pct
Siberian 0.97 Pct
Amerindian 0.25 Pct
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
I know its for full Croatian gedmatch kits but i have one his dad is half Macedonian half Croatian and Mother is Full Croatian , so 75% Croat 25% Macedonian.
Kit M467895
Admix Results (sorted):
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
33.95
2
North_Atlantic
24.28
3
West_Med
16
4
East_Med
13.21
5
West_Asian
9.94
6
Red_Sea
1.13
7
Oceanian
0.8
8
East_Asian
0.64
9
Sub-Saharan
0.06
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Moldavian
3.28
2
Croatian
5.24
3
Serbian
6.9
4
Hungarian
8.78
5
Romanian
9.62
6
Bulgarian
11.12
7
Ukrainian_Lviv
11.2
8
South_Polish
12.19
9
Ukrainian
12.32
10
Austrian
12.87
11
East_German
13.41
12
Southwest_Russian
15.45
13
Polish
15.54
14
Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.58
15
Russian_Smolensk
17.31
16
Estonian_Polish
17.9
17
Belorussian
18.56
18
Kargopol_Russian
19.85
19
West_German
19.94
20
Greek_Thessaly
20.03
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
52.6%
Bulgarian
+
47.4%
Ukrainian
@
1.88
2
50.2%
Bulgarian
+
49.8%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
2.13
3
67.6%
Bulgarian
+
32.4%
Lithuanian
@
2.13
4
61.2%
Bulgarian
+
38.8%
Russian_Smolensk
@
2.13
5
68.9%
Ukrainian
+
31.1%
Central_Greek
@
2.17
6
58.5%
Bulgarian
+
41.5%
Polish
@
2.22
7
69.9%
Croatian
+
30.1%
Bulgarian
@
2.38
8
89.9%
Croatian
+
10.1%
Cyprian
@
2.41
9
62%
Bulgarian
+
38%
Estonian_Polish
@
2.41
10
72.2%
Ukrainian
+
27.8%
South_Italian
@
2.49
11
62.2%
Ukrainian
+
37.8%
Greek_Thessaly
@
2.5
12
52.4%
Bulgarian
+
47.6%
South_Polish
@
2.59
13
70%
Ukrainian
+
30%
East_Sicilian
@
2.63
14
91.4%
Croatian
+
8.6%
Lebanese_Christian
@
2.63
15
63%
Bulgarian
+
37%
Belorussian
@
2.63
16
58.7%
Bulgarian
+
41.3%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
2.69
17
85.7%
Croatian
+
14.3%
Central_Greek
@
2.71
18
91.2%
Croatian
+
8.8%
Assyrian
@
2.73
19
91.4%
Croatian
+
8.6%
Samaritan
@
2.76
20
85.9%
Moldavian
+
14.1%
Bulgarian
@
2.76
</tbody>
Thanks for sharing Johhny! He passes for full Croat genetically.
Btw, here can post mixed people too. :)
JohnnyP
05-05-2021, 11:46 PM
Father Macedonian (Y-DNA J2b2a1 - L-283) , mother Croatian from Lika ,
https://i.imgur.com/5VWLEEl.png
JohnnyP
05-05-2021, 11:59 PM
Sorry im posting one by one , but i found another one , Father from Macedonia (Tetovo) , mother from Croatia,
https://i.imgur.com/4EyoAlL.png
Bosnian Croat (from Bosanska Krajina), E-V13
North_Atlantic 28.91 Pct
Baltic 34.69 Pct
West_Med 13.72 Pct
West_Asian 7.48 Pct
East_Med 11.37 Pct
Red_Sea 2.03 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.63 Pct
Oceanian 1.01 Pct
Northeast_African 0.17 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
From west Croatia (Istria + Primorje), some ancestry from Slovenia on grand-grandparents level (Croatian surname though)
North_Atlantic 26.3 Pct
Baltic 32.77 Pct
West_Med 17.33 Pct
West_Asian 8.58 Pct
East_Med 9.84 Pct
Red_Sea 1.89 Pct
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.07 Pct
Amerindian 0.08 Pct
Oceanian 1.31 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
From Buzet, northern Istria
North_Atlantic 24.41 Pct
Baltic 28.37 Pct
West_Med 20.9 Pct
West_Asian 10.52 Pct
East_Med 10.83 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 3.37 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.09 Pct
Amerindian 0.19 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
From Buzet, northern Istria
North_Atlantic 24.41 Pct
Baltic 28.37 Pct
West_Med 20.9 Pct
West_Asian 10.52 Pct
East_Med 10.83 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 3.37 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.09 Pct
Amerindian 0.19 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
1/8 Rrom or noise? 3.37% SA + over 10% WA.
1/8 Rrom or noise? 3.37% SA + over 10% WA.
Thing is that part of Croatia has practically no Gypsies (like not at all). Idk, I was thinking Italian admixture due to high West Med (family tree is Croatian though)
South Asian score is odd.
Croat from Udbina, Lika
North_Atlantic 27.36 Pct
Baltic 33.89 Pct
West_Med 14.51 Pct
West_Asian 6.82 Pct
East_Med 11.2 Pct
Red_Sea 2.76 Pct
South_Asian 1.61 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.74 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.11 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
BalkanX
05-26-2021, 10:49 PM
Hi guys. I'm new here. These are my results from Eurogenes13. I'm from Slavonia, but my parents are from Bosnia. My paternal haplogroup is I p109 and mTDNA is T2a1a
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.62
2 North_Atlantic 27.72
3 West_Med 13.18
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 7.81
6 Red_Sea 1.97
7 South_Asian 1.77
8 Sub-Saharan 0.67
9 Siberian 0.63
10 East_Asian 0.4
11 Oceanian 0.37
Hi and welcome!
Hi guys. I'm new here. These are my results from Eurogenes13. I'm from Slavonia, but my parents are from Bosnia. My paternal haplogroup is I p109 and mTDNA is T2a1a
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.62
2 North_Atlantic 27.72
3 West_Med 13.18
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 7.81
6 Red_Sea 1.97
7 South_Asian 1.77
8 Sub-Saharan 0.67
9 Siberian 0.63
10 East_Asian 0.4
11 Oceanian 0.37
Wow, you're almost exactly like the results above! :eek:
Hi guys. I'm new here. These are my results from Eurogenes13. I'm from Slavonia, but my parents are from Bosnia. My paternal haplogroup is I p109 and mTDNA is T2a1a
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.62
2 North_Atlantic 27.72
3 West_Med 13.18
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 7.81
6 Red_Sea 1.97
7 South_Asian 1.77
8 Sub-Saharan 0.67
9 Siberian 0.63
10 East_Asian 0.4
11 Oceanian 0.37
Welcome! You have average Croatian results. Your paternal haplogroup is Viking/Norman if I'm not mistaken. Where from in Bosnia are your parents?
Mtdna T2a is very common in Balkans too
BalkanX
05-27-2021, 12:09 AM
My dad is from Gradacac in Posavina and mom is from Posusje, Hercegovina, while her mom is from Imotski. I don't know much about movement of my father's side. As for Germanic paternal haplogroup, I'm a true representative with dark curly hair, dark eyes and not so rosy complexion :D
@BalkanX
Please post your Dodecad K12b componets too.
BalkanX
05-27-2021, 08:37 AM
Here's Dodecad K12b
1 North_European 43.08
2 Atlantic_Med 27.71
3 Caucasus 17.14
4 Gedrosia 6.61
5 Southwest_Asian 3.35
6 South_Asian 1.42
Ca. 0.7% is missing but you seem to be very close to the average we have on Dodecad (the regional background of the samples is unknown).
CommonSense
05-27-2021, 01:17 PM
Welcome! You have average Croatian results. Your paternal haplogroup is Viking/Norman if I'm not mistaken. Where from in Bosnia are your parents?
Mtdna T2a is very common in Balkans too
As far as I know, there are no other subclades of I-P109 in the Balkans except I-FGC22045 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-FGC22045/) which is the Drobnjak one.
Ca. 0.7% is missing but you seem to be very close to the average we have on Dodecad (the regional background of the samples is unknown).
Croat average on Dodecad looks southern in origin (closer to Bosniaks than Hungarians), but it's not bad.
As far as I know, there are no other subclades of I-P109 in the Balkans except I-FGC22045 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-FGC22045/) which is the Drobnjak one.
Possible, but it's not like we know a lot about Croat I1 subclades.
Croat average on Dodecad looks southern in origin (closer to Bosniaks than Hungarians), but it's not bad.
Well, it's 43.5% North_European and 27% Atlantic_Med. I think your father is 44% NE. Ford and Dushan are 43 and 42% respectively (they're both Nordo-Serbs xD).
Well, it's 43.5% North_European and 27% Atlantic_Med. I think your father is 44% NE. Ford and Dushan are 43 and 42% respectively (they're both Nordo-Serbs xD).
North_European on Dodecad peaks in Lithuanians, not in Scandinavians and NW Euros get more Atlantic-Med.
My father is mostly southern by origin and on top of that 1/4 Bosniak.
This average is def. primarly based on southern Croats because native Panonnians score differently. And by southern I mean everything south of river Sava.
vbnetkhio
05-27-2021, 01:47 PM
Ca. 0.7% is missing but you seem to be very close to the average we have on Dodecad (the regional background of the samples is unknown).
you could run these trough Dodecad:
FJ1838930 Croat_Croatia_133
FA7708544 Croat_Croatia_140
KQ4978920 Croat_Croatia_141
GT3633066 Croat_Croatia_142
KL2579480 Croat_Croatia_198
CA9512826 Croat_Croatia_26
QF3935386 Croat_Croatia_302
SB9020540 Croat_Croatia_305
MR9434030 Croat_Croatia_312
SV1626782 Croat_Croatia_344
CX2048211 Croat_Croatia_43
ZA6592572 Croat_Croatia_53
they are a mix of all groups of Croats and represent the average well.
btw here are those Balkan averages i remember sending you long ago.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xxs2pV6EbWU/VKXSvRCbFjI/AAAAAAAAALI/ShIkN7tortw/w958-h176-no/K12b%2BBalkan.jpg
In order it's Serbs, Bosniaks , Montenegrins, Macedonians, Kosovar Albanians, and Croats.
Croats have only one sample, so it's useless. the rest are good.
edit: one of the Bosniaks has Gypsy admixture, so that one also isn't good.
you can run these:
HG3047054 Bosnian
WX5306146 Bosnian
TQ7268818 Bosnian
WD3514208 Bosnian
FN5737190 Bosnian
TJ1019439 Bosnian
SH3602625 Bosnian
YJ9693366 Bosnian
SL9111301 Bosnian
SC3246482 Bosnian
PF8543818 BosnianK
XK7422570 BosnianL
MK9186262 BosnianM
PQ7322737 BosnianN
WM1525974 BosnianO
but one on this list has Gypsy admixture, and one is a Czech or Hungarian, you'll spot them easily. so just remove those 2.
^^^is current average composed of these samples? For me personally it works very well, I get low distance.
vbnetkhio
05-27-2021, 02:02 PM
^^^is current average composed of these samples? For me personally it works very well, I get low distance.
the current average was made by some guy on Anthrogenica. we don't know which samples he used.
you could run these trough Dodecad:
FJ1838930 Croat_Croatia_133
FA7708544 Croat_Croatia_140
KQ4978920 Croat_Croatia_141
GT3633066 Croat_Croatia_142
KL2579480 Croat_Croatia_198
CA9512826 Croat_Croatia_26
QF3935386 Croat_Croatia_302
SB9020540 Croat_Croatia_305
MR9434030 Croat_Croatia_312
SV1626782 Croat_Croatia_344
CX2048211 Croat_Croatia_43
ZA6592572 Croat_Croatia_53
they are a mix of all groups of Croats and represent the average well.
btw here are those Balkan averages i remember sending you long ago.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xxs2pV6EbWU/VKXSvRCbFjI/AAAAAAAAALI/ShIkN7tortw/w958-h176-no/K12b%2BBalkan.jpg
In order it's Serbs, Bosniaks , Montenegrins, Macedonians, Kosovar Albanians, and Croats.
Croats have only one sample, so it's useless. the rest are good.
edit: one of the Bosniaks has Gypsy admixture, so that one also isn't good.
you can run these:
HG3047054 Bosnian
WX5306146 Bosnian
TQ7268818 Bosnian
WD3514208 Bosnian
FN5737190 Bosnian
TJ1019439 Bosnian
SH3602625 Bosnian
YJ9693366 Bosnian
SL9111301 Bosnian
SC3246482 Bosnian
PF8543818 BosnianK
XK7422570 BosnianL
MK9186262 BosnianM
PQ7322737 BosnianN
WM1525974 BosnianO
but one on this list has Gypsy admixture, and one is a Czech or Hungarian, you'll spot them easily. so just remove those 2.
Thanks, I'll run them and post the average here.
But Bosniaks are not really needed, their average is Northern enough, quite realistic.
vbnetkhio
05-27-2021, 02:07 PM
Thanks, I'll run them and post the average here.
But Bosniaks are not really needed, their average is Northern enough, quite realistic.
yeah, the current Bosniak average looks good.
Thanks, I'll run them and post the average here.
Yeah, please do!
Jackson78
05-27-2021, 02:53 PM
As far as I know, there are no other subclades of I-P109 in the Balkans except I-FGC22045 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-FGC22045/) which is the Drobnjak one.
Among Serbs there are two more branches, FGC21732 and Y5621.
Awrite, here it is:
Croat_average,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17 ,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0
This is how it gets modeled:
Target: Croat_average
Distance: 0.4937% / 0.49369192 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.6 Croat
32.2 Slovenian
17.2 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
And this is the recent model:
Target: Croat_average
Distance: 1.9773% / 1.97726039
58.2 Ukrainian
23.6 Italian_Abruzzo
18.2 German_Northwest
It came out significantly more Northern than than the old average. Almost 2% more North_European. Some samples scored 47-48% NE!
Awrite, here it is:
Croat_average,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17 ,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0
This is how it gets modeled:
Target: Croat_average
Distance: 0.4937% / 0.49369192 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.6 Croat
32.2 Slovenian
17.2 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
And this is the recent model:
Target: Croat_average
Distance: 1.9773% / 1.97726039
58.2 Ukrainian
23.6 Italian_Abruzzo
18.2 German_Northwest
It came out significantly more Northern than than the old average. Almost 2% more North_European. Some samples scored 47-48% NE!
As expected, this proves old average was based on southerners. Tell Lukas to replace old average with this one.
Actually old average can stay, but it should be renamed Croat_south or something. It's useful for southern Croats, for them this new average won't be that close.
Luke has been ignoring me lately for some damn reason.
But we don't know if the old one was exclusively Southern.
Luke has been ignoring me lately for some damn reason.
But we don't know if the old one was exclusively Southern.
My guess is old average is based on Bosnian-Herzegovina Croats (which are southern in genetic sense). I mean, it is useful like for this new member who will get Bosniaks as no.1 without it.
But new average should def. be added, it's more representative for Croats as a whole obviously.
We don't know which samples were used for old one, but it was in sheet anyway, so why not keep it. And genetically it does looks southern.
vbnetkhio
05-27-2021, 03:13 PM
Awrite, here it is:
Croat_average,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17 ,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0
This is how it gets modeled:
Target: Croat_average
Distance: 0.4937% / 0.49369192 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.6 Croat
32.2 Slovenian
17.2 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
And this is the recent model:
Target: Croat_average
Distance: 1.9773% / 1.97726039
58.2 Ukrainian
23.6 Italian_Abruzzo
18.2 German_Northwest
It came out significantly more Northern than than the old average. Almost 2% more North_European. Some samples scored 47-48% NE!
in k13 these samples are halfway between northern Croats (who are similar to Slovenians) and southern Croats (similar to Bosniaks.)
in k12b they are halfway between Bosniaks and Slovenians:
https://i.imgur.com/DSKLFWX.png
in k13 these samples are halfway between northern Croats (who are similar to Slovenians) and southern Croats (similar to Bosniaks.)
in k12b they are halfway between Bosniaks and Slovenians:
https://i.imgur.com/DSKLFWX.png
Yes, looks very good.
The Serb and Montenegrin averages in vbnet's spreadsheet are the same as in Dodecad.
BalkanX
05-27-2021, 09:26 PM
Sorry for the missing 0,7% in my Dodecad k12b, I didn't copy it well. It is 0,69 Siberian
# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.08
2 Atlantic_Med 27.71
3 Caucasus 17.14
4 Gedrosia 6.61
5 Southwest_Asian 3.35
6 South_Asian 1.42
7 Siberian 0.69
Don't think it makes much difference though :D Also, I see what I did wrong. Instead of just Oracle I chose Oracle 4 and it just listed top 5 populations instead of everything so I will post my Eurogenes k13 again with all info
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.62
2 North_Atlantic 27.72
3 West_Med 13.18
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 7.81
6 Red_Sea 1.97
7 South_Asian 1.77
8 Sub-Saharan 0.67
9 Siberian 0.63
10 East_Asian 0.4
11 Oceanian 0.37
Sorry guys, I'm a noob :(
Also, what's up with that 0,67 Sub-Saharan? Is that statistical noise?
Also, what's up with that 0,67 Sub-Saharan? Is that statistical noise?
Ofcourse :)
Awrite, here it is:
Croat_average,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17 ,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0
Thanks again btw! I'm super close to it! (I replaced old average with this one in source)
Distance to: Stearsolina
1.38235307 Croat
2.85809377 Slovenian
3.09360631 Hungarian
3.18028301 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.65491450 Hungarian_Alföld
3.78456074 Hungarian_North
3.97820311 Bosnian
4.84293300 Moldovan_North
5.17408929 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
5.29610234 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.83523957 Moldovan_Central
7.28209448 Czech
7.28975308 Serb
7.37949863 Slovak
10.57823709 Bavarian_German
10.91726614 German
11.06396403 Montenegrin
11.53812376 Sorb_Lusatia
12.20569130 Dutch
13.07937307 Romanian
13.12963442 Ukrainian
13.19442685 Belgian
13.71369753 German_Northwest
13.73207195 Moldovan_South
13.86393523 Polish
Yep, look very good for you :thumb001:
CommonSense
05-27-2021, 11:35 PM
Not sure if this person is still alive, as she is the daughter of late 19th century immigrants to the United States, but a very interesting result nonetheless :D
Her ancestry is from Bribir and Griane in the Vinodol municipality (the kit has GEDCOM):
Kit ME4163197
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.43
2 North_Atlantic 29.73
3 West_Med 15.22
4 East_Med 9.83
5 West_Asian 7.8
6 Red_Sea 0.9
7 Northeast_African 0.86
8 South_Asian 0.16
9 Oceanian 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.84
2 Hungarian 4.94
3 Moldavian 5.74
4 South_Polish 7.89
5 East_German 8.05
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.18
7 Austrian 8.38
8 Ukrainian 9.13
9 Serbian 9.35
10 Polish 11.47
11 Southwest_Russian 13.29
12 Romanian 13.41
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.57
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.23
15 Estonian_Polish 14.81
16 Belorussian 15.25
17 Bulgarian 15.74
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.45
19 West_German 16.48
20 North_Swedish 17.27
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.7% Croatian + 21.3% Austrian @ 1.78
2 78.6% Croatian + 21.4% East_German @ 1.87
3 91% Croatian + 9% Southeast_English @ 1.88
4 91.7% Croatian + 8.3% Southwest_English @ 1.9
5 89.4% Croatian + 10.6% South_Dutch @ 1.92
6 88.8% Croatian + 11.2% West_German @ 1.96
7 91.1% Croatian + 8.9% North_Dutch @ 1.98
8 91.6% Croatian + 8.4% Orcadian @ 1.98
9 92.3% Croatian + 7.7% West_Scottish @ 2
10 91.1% Croatian + 8.9% Danish @ 2
11 92% Croatian + 8% Irish @ 2.01
12 90% Croatian + 10% North_German @ 2.04
13 91.6% Croatian + 8.4% Norwegian @ 2.06
14 78.1% South_Polish + 21.9% Tuscan @ 2.07
15 91.2% Croatian + 8.8% French @ 2.09
16 95.3% Croatian + 4.7% French_Basque @ 2.11
17 70.5% Croatian + 29.5% Hungarian @ 2.15
18 91.3% Croatian + 8.7% Swedish @ 2.17
19 70.7% Polish + 29.3% Tuscan @ 2.18
20 76.3% South_Polish + 23.7% North_Italian @ 2.18
Not sure if this person is still alive, as she is the daughter of late 19th century immigrants to the United States, but a very interesting result nonetheless :D
Her ancestry is from Bribir and Grižane in the Vinodol municipality (the kit has GEDCOM):
Kit ME4163197
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.43
2 North_Atlantic 29.73
3 West_Med 15.22
4 East_Med 9.83
5 West_Asian 7.8
6 Red_Sea 0.9
7 Northeast_African 0.86
8 South_Asian 0.16
9 Oceanian 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.84
2 Hungarian 4.94
3 Moldavian 5.74
4 South_Polish 7.89
5 East_German 8.05
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.18
7 Austrian 8.38
8 Ukrainian 9.13
9 Serbian 9.35
10 Polish 11.47
11 Southwest_Russian 13.29
12 Romanian 13.41
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.57
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.23
15 Estonian_Polish 14.81
16 Belorussian 15.25
17 Bulgarian 15.74
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.45
19 West_German 16.48
20 North_Swedish 17.27
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.7% Croatian + 21.3% Austrian @ 1.78
2 78.6% Croatian + 21.4% East_German @ 1.87
3 91% Croatian + 9% Southeast_English @ 1.88
4 91.7% Croatian + 8.3% Southwest_English @ 1.9
5 89.4% Croatian + 10.6% South_Dutch @ 1.92
6 88.8% Croatian + 11.2% West_German @ 1.96
7 91.1% Croatian + 8.9% North_Dutch @ 1.98
8 91.6% Croatian + 8.4% Orcadian @ 1.98
9 92.3% Croatian + 7.7% West_Scottish @ 2
10 91.1% Croatian + 8.9% Danish @ 2
11 92% Croatian + 8% Irish @ 2.01
12 90% Croatian + 10% North_German @ 2.04
13 91.6% Croatian + 8.4% Norwegian @ 2.06
14 78.1% South_Polish + 21.9% Tuscan @ 2.07
15 91.2% Croatian + 8.8% French @ 2.09
16 95.3% Croatian + 4.7% French_Basque @ 2.11
17 70.5% Croatian + 29.5% Hungarian @ 2.15
18 91.3% Croatian + 8.7% Swedish @ 2.17
19 70.7% Polish + 29.3% Tuscan @ 2.18
20 76.3% South_Polish + 23.7% North_Italian @ 2.18
Thanks. Primorje/Kvarner region is very undersampled. This one is considerably northern shifted, but that's what I expect for natives of the region.
Might be some type of Northern Croat
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.56
2 Baltic 35.4
3 West_Med 10.88
4 East_Med 9.2
5 West_Asian 5.1
6 Siberian 1.14
7 Oceanian 0.87
8 Amerindian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.32
10 Red_Sea 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.46
2 Hungarian 5.77
3 Austrian 6.59
4 South_Polish 8.38
5 Croatian 9.29
6 North_Swedish 10.6
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.72
8 Ukrainian 11.11
9 Polish 11.55
10 Southwest_Finnish 11.65
11 Moldavian 12.13
12 North_German 12.64
13 Swedish 13.05
14 West_German 13.45
15 Serbian 13.71
16 South_Dutch 14.5
17 Southwest_Russian 14.52
18 Russian_Smolensk 14.69
19 Belorussian 14.76
20 Danish 14.97
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.4% West_German + 47.6% Belorussian @ 2.45
2 53% West_German + 47% Estonian_Polish @ 2.88
3 67.3% Hungarian + 32.7% North_Swedish @ 2.97
4 52% West_German + 48% Southwest_Russian @ 3.02
5 69.7% Hungarian + 30.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.06
6 62.8% South_Polish + 37.2% West_German @ 3.15
7 50% Southwest_Russian + 50% South_Dutch @ 3.17
8 50.5% South_Dutch + 49.5% Belorussian @ 3.2
9 72.9% Austrian + 27.1% Finnish @ 3.27
10 53.9% Southwest_Russian + 46.1% Southeast_English @ 3.29
11 52.3% West_German + 47.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.31
12 71.7% Austrian + 28.3% Belorussian @ 3.34
13 74% Austrian + 26% Estonian @ 3.36
14 68.3% South_Polish + 31.7% Southeast_English @ 3.37
15 64.8% South_Polish + 35.2% South_Dutch @ 3.39
16 56.1% Belorussian + 43.9% French @ 3.43
17 59.3% West_German + 40.7% Lithuanian @ 3.48
18 76.6% Austrian + 23.4% East_Finnish @ 3.54
19 51% South_Dutch + 49% Estonian_Polish @ 3.55
20 57% North_Swedish + 43% Serbian @ 3.6
Might be some type of Northern Croat
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.56
2 Baltic 35.4
3 West_Med 10.88
4 East_Med 9.2
5 West_Asian 5.1
6 Siberian 1.14
7 Oceanian 0.87
8 Amerindian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.32
10 Red_Sea 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.46
2 Hungarian 5.77
3 Austrian 6.59
4 South_Polish 8.38
5 Croatian 9.29
6 North_Swedish 10.6
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.72
8 Ukrainian 11.11
9 Polish 11.55
10 Southwest_Finnish 11.65
11 Moldavian 12.13
12 North_German 12.64
13 Swedish 13.05
14 West_German 13.45
15 Serbian 13.71
16 South_Dutch 14.5
17 Southwest_Russian 14.52
18 Russian_Smolensk 14.69
19 Belorussian 14.76
20 Danish 14.97
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.4% West_German + 47.6% Belorussian @ 2.45
2 53% West_German + 47% Estonian_Polish @ 2.88
3 67.3% Hungarian + 32.7% North_Swedish @ 2.97
4 52% West_German + 48% Southwest_Russian @ 3.02
5 69.7% Hungarian + 30.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.06
6 62.8% South_Polish + 37.2% West_German @ 3.15
7 50% Southwest_Russian + 50% South_Dutch @ 3.17
8 50.5% South_Dutch + 49.5% Belorussian @ 3.2
9 72.9% Austrian + 27.1% Finnish @ 3.27
10 53.9% Southwest_Russian + 46.1% Southeast_English @ 3.29
11 52.3% West_German + 47.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.31
12 71.7% Austrian + 28.3% Belorussian @ 3.34
13 74% Austrian + 26% Estonian @ 3.36
14 68.3% South_Polish + 31.7% Southeast_English @ 3.37
15 64.8% South_Polish + 35.2% South_Dutch @ 3.39
16 56.1% Belorussian + 43.9% French @ 3.43
17 59.3% West_German + 40.7% Lithuanian @ 3.48
18 76.6% Austrian + 23.4% East_Finnish @ 3.54
19 51% South_Dutch + 49% Estonian_Polish @ 3.55
20 57% North_Swedish + 43% Serbian @ 3.6
Are you sure?
Are you sure?
I am not but now you have the kit. Perhaps it had been shared here before.
I am not but now you have the kit. Perhaps it had been shared here before.
The name is fully Croatian and even has gedcom, unfortunately it's private.
Here's another result with Croatian name/surname from same account
North_Atlantic 28.18 Pct
Baltic 35.72 Pct
West_Med 14.37 Pct
West_Asian 8.59 Pct
East_Med 9.95 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.57 Pct
Oceanian 0.98 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
The name is fully Croatian and even has gedcom, unfortunately it's private.
Here's another result with Croatian name/surname from same account
North_Atlantic 28.18 Pct
Baltic 35.72 Pct
West_Med 14.37 Pct
West_Asian 8.59 Pct
East_Med 9.95 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.57 Pct
Oceanian 0.98 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
This one definitely looks fully Croatian. The previous one is a bit crazy, half West German half Belorussian, lol
This one definitely looks fully Croatian. The previous one is a bit crazy, half West German half Belorussian, lol
Yeah, this one looks full Croatian. I think previous one may be mixed with west Euros because lady's surname is not a northern one (and even for north Croat she wouldn't be typical)
vbnetkhio
05-29-2021, 07:32 PM
probably Slavonia+Istria/Kvarner Croat according to surnames.
(Arsenić, Josipović, Trgovčević - found in Slavonia; Karina, Sandić - in Istria/Kvarner)
HN4654327 21.6934.6416.0410.3914.632.050000.260.2900
maybe you can find some more kits from these regions among his matches?
vbnetkhio
05-29-2021, 08:17 PM
Croat from Makarska, Dalmatia:
H652918
North_Atlantic 27.73 Pct
Baltic 30.52 Pct
West_Med 14.98 Pct
West_Asian 8.84 Pct
East_Med 15.2 Pct
Red_Sea 1.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.51 Pct
Siberian 0.12 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.06 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Her son, 3/4 Dalmatian, 1/8 Hungarian from Vojvodina, 1/8 German
A020272
Population
North_Atlantic 30.97 Pct
Baltic 30.3 Pct
West_Med 13.53 Pct
West_Asian 6.26 Pct
East_Med 14.23 Pct
Red_Sea 2.63 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.98 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.53 Pct
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
these are 2 brothers, close relatives of A020272, they share the same Hungarian lineage (Rakonca), other side seems Dalmatian Croat + German from Slavonia
A184117
Population
North_Atlantic 33.99 Pct
Baltic 32.94 Pct
West_Med 15.5 Pct
West_Asian 1.93 Pct
East_Med 10.61 Pct
Red_Sea 1.79 Pct
South_Asian 0.19 Pct
East_Asian 0.67 Pct
Siberian 0.71 Pct
Amerindian 1.01 Pct
Oceanian 0.58 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.08 Pc
A238227
opulation
North_Atlantic 34.9 Pct
Baltic 31.59 Pct
West_Med 17.1 Pct
West_Asian 1.67 Pct
East_Med 10.53 Pct
Red_Sea 1.31 Pct
South_Asian 0.32 Pct
East_Asian 1.23 Pct
Siberian 0.48 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.88 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
could also be useful for finding more kits from Slavonia
vbnetkhio
05-29-2021, 08:48 PM
50% from Poličnik, Dalmatia, 25% from Central Croatia (Hecimovic), 25% German/Hungarian/Croat from Sremska Mitrovica, Serbia
A773579
North_Atlantic 29.15 Pct
Baltic 28.06 Pct
West_Med 15.43 Pct
West_Asian 6.99 Pct
East_Med 17.3 Pct
Red_Sea 0.87 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.57 Pct
Siberian 0.21 Pct
Amerindian 0.8 Pct
Oceanian 0.63 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
vbnetkhio
05-29-2021, 10:03 PM
from Istria(Krbune,Sventvinčenat) and Dalmatia(Knin region, Matase,Čitluk,Suknovci)
FU7177707
North_Atlantic 26.68 Pct
Baltic 28.61 Pct
West_Med 14.27 Pct
West_Asian 10.65 Pct
East_Med 14.79 Pct
Red_Sea 2.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Amerindian 0.85 Pct
Oceanian 0.16 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.32 Pct
CommonSense
05-30-2021, 02:46 PM
probably Slavonia+Istria/Kvarner Croat according to surnames.
(Arsenić, Josipović, Trgovčević - found in Slavonia; Karina, Sandić - in Istria/Kvarner)
HN4654327 21.6934.6416.0410.3914.632.050000.260.2900
maybe you can find some more kits from these regions among his matches?
This man is a Serb from Western Serbia actually. Well, mostly. If you open his family tree you'll see he listed his grandfather Sandić as being born in a village near Valjevo. And the other surnames are all present in the area, except Karina. So he's 3/4 Serbian, 1/4 foreign, probably Russian or Ukrainian judging by his grandmother's first name.
Fun fact, Pribislav already wrongly listed his ancestry on this board before, so this is the second time someone's posting his kit under a false assumption :biggrin Poor fellow.
vbnetkhio
05-30-2021, 02:55 PM
This man is a Serb from Western Serbia actually. Well, mostly. If you open his family tree you'll see he listed his grandfather Sandić as being born in a village near Valjevo. And the other surnames are all present in the area, except Karina. So he's 3/4 Serbian, 1/4 foreign, probably Russian or Ukrainian judging by his grandmother's first name.
Fun fact, Pribislav already wrongly listed his ancestry on this board before, so this is the second time someone's posting his kit under a false assumption :biggrin Poor fellow.
lol. I just had the surname list, and among Croats those surnames group so nicely in those 2 regions. They appear among Serbs too, but they are spread in many different regions.
vbnetkhio
06-05-2021, 09:35 PM
one ancestor location listed : Unije (Kvarner region)
Population
North_Atlantic27.37 Pct
Baltic33.38 Pct
West_Med14.12 Pct
West_Asian7.07 Pct
East_Med14.67 Pct
Red_Sea1.47 Pct
South_Asian-
East_Asian1.22 Pct
Siberian-
Amerindian0.27 Pct
Oceanian0.24 Pct
Northeast_African-
Sub-Saharan0.19 Pct
CommonSense
06-12-2021, 12:07 AM
Croatian-American with ancestry from Gorski Kotar, Herzegovina and southern Dalmatia (Dubrovnik). The email contains a GEDCOM.
Kit M007802
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.38
2 North_Atlantic 26.13
3 West_Med 14.73
4 East_Med 12.48
5 West_Asian 8.17
6 Sub-Saharan 1.36
7 East_Asian 0.78
8 Siberian 0.48
9 Amerindian 0.25
10 South_Asian 0.13
11 Red_Sea 0.09
12 Northeast_African 0.03
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.62
2 Moldavian 3.97
3 Hungarian 7.25
4 Serbian 8.28
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.3
6 South_Polish 9.72
7 Ukrainian 10.09
8 Austrian 11.63
9 Romanian 11.67
10 East_German 11.71
11 Polish 13.23
12 Southwest_Russian 13.42
13 Bulgarian 13.47
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.72
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.24
16 Estonian_Polish 15.67
17 Belorussian 16.25
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.86
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.98
20 West_German 19.12
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.4% Ukrainian + 42.6% Bulgarian @ 2.18
2 58.4% South_Polish + 41.6% Bulgarian @ 2.26
3 50.5% Polish + 49.5% Bulgarian @ 2.35
4 53.8% Ukrainian + 46.2% Romanian @ 2.38
5 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% South_Italian @ 2.42
6 75.3% Ukrainian + 24.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.51
7 69.4% Ukrainian + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.54
8 75% Ukrainian + 25% Central_Greek @ 2.57
9 74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.59
10 64.3% Romanian + 35.7% Lithuanian @ 2.63
11 70.3% South_Polish + 29.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.64
12 75.8% Ukrainian + 24.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.67
13 57.6% Romanian + 42.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.72
14 60.4% Bulgarian + 39.6% Estonian @ 2.74
15 84.9% Croatian + 15.1% Bulgarian @ 2.76
16 60.9% Bulgarian + 39.1% Lithuanian @ 2.76
17 66.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.8% Tuscan @ 2.78
18 79.9% Ukrainian + 20.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.78
19 53.9% Bulgarian + 46.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.79
20 75.8% South_Polish + 24.2% Central_Greek @ 2.81
Ion Basescul
06-13-2021, 09:40 PM
Croat from Ilok
Distance to: Ilok
5.04366930 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.36268589 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.48930779 Croat_West
5.49796326 Hungarian
5.70313072 Csángó-Ceangău
6.05987624 Hungarian_Alföld
6.59638537 Croat
6.85248860 Austrian
6.89965941 Slovenian
6.97846688 Croat_North
7.25352328 Croat_South
7.88932190 Serb_Serbia_West
8.21307494 Serb_Croatia
8.34011990 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.37867531 Hungarian_North
8.54622139 Serb_Bosnia
8.67746507 Croat_East
8.78972127 Serb
8.84212079 Bosniak
8.89688710 Romania_Crisana
8.96209239 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
8.98702954 Serb_Serbia_Central
9.02618967 Romania_Maramures
9.66892445 Bosniak_Bosnia
9.67437336 Serb_Herzegovina
Ilok,31.99,28.4,16.05,7.69,11.49,2.39,0,1.86,0,0,0 .14,0,0
vbnetkhio
06-15-2021, 12:36 PM
From Buzet, northern Istria
North_Atlantic 24.41 Pct
Baltic 28.37 Pct
West_Med 20.9 Pct
West_Asian 10.52 Pct
East_Med 10.83 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 3.37 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.09 Pct
Amerindian 0.19 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
This one is also from that account with mixed up family trees.
She's actually half from Buzet and half from Karlovac, and her Karlovac side has a surname which appears only in Britain and Scandinavia? (Končalović-Calson)
This one is also from that account with mixed up family trees.
She's actually half from Buzet and half from Karlovac, and her Karlovac side has a surname which appears only in Britain and Scandinavia? (Končalović-Calson)
Thanks. From what I heard Moro is doing some testing in Istrian villages, so we may get more proper samples from there.
Reposting my step-father, fully from Gorski Kotar and R1a
https://i.imgur.com/9iE4ZiY.png
Hopefully Moro takes checked samples posted here and updates Croatian averages when he comes back on TA, because I don't plan to be much active in upcoming months.
Gorski_Kotar,29.78,35.54,13.72,5.38,10.39,3.3,0.17 ,0,1.17,0,0.4,0,0.11
Luke35
06-15-2021, 02:23 PM
Croat from Ilok
Ilok,31.99,28.4,16.05,7.69,11.49,2.39,0,1.86,0,0,0 .14,0,0
Interesting one for me personally as I could see immediately that his result would fit for my paternal ancestry. He seems Hungarian-like:
Target: Mr.G
Distance: 2.2425% / 2.24251298
52.9 Mr.G_mom
47.1 Ilok
CommonSense
06-23-2021, 11:49 AM
Croat from Bosnian Posavina and Herzegovina:
Kit EC7102593
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.62
2 North_Atlantic 27.72
3 West_Med 13.18
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 7.81
6 Red_Sea 1.97
7 South_Asian 1.77
8 Sub-Saharan 0.67
9 Siberian 0.63
10 East_Asian 0.4
11 Oceanian 0.37
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.6
2 Moldavian 4.12
3 Hungarian 5.01
4 Serbian 7.19
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.42
6 Austrian 9.6
7 South_Polish 9.65
8 East_German 9.92
9 Ukrainian 10.68
10 Romanian 11.19
11 Polish 13.31
12 Bulgarian 13.48
13 Southwest_Russian 14.03
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.33
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.5
16 Estonian_Polish 16.04
17 Belorussian 16.45
18 West_German 17.04
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.06
20 Kargopol_Russian 18.21
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% South_Polish + 20% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.16
2 75.9% South_Polish + 24.1% East_Sicilian @ 1.27
3 77.7% South_Polish + 22.3% South_Italian @ 1.33
4 75.4% South_Polish + 24.6% West_Sicilian @ 1.33
5 74.9% Serbian + 25.1% Lithuanian @ 1.43
6 68.7% Serbian + 31.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.44
7 80% South_Polish + 20% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.45
8 80% South_Polish + 20% Italian_Jewish @ 1.48
9 70% Serbian + 30% Belorussian @ 1.48
10 69.4% Serbian + 30.6% Estonian_Polish @ 1.48
11 69.7% South_Polish + 30.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.5
12 74.5% South_Polish + 25.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.57
13 75.3% South_Polish + 24.7% Central_Greek @ 1.59
14 65.4% Serbian + 34.6% Polish @ 1.61
15 57.6% Serbian + 42.4% South_Polish @ 1.64
16 81.3% South_Polish + 18.7% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.69
17 67.9% Polish + 32.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.7
18 53.8% South_Polish + 46.2% Romanian @ 1.74
19 76.6% South_Polish + 23.4% Ashkenazi @ 1.75
20 60.2% Serbian + 39.8% Ukrainian @ 1.82
MoroLP
07-05-2021, 11:04 PM
Hopefully Moro takes checked samples posted here and updates Croatian averages when he comes back on TA, because I don't plan to be much active in upcoming months.
Don't worry. I always check the thread but don't necessarily log in.
3/4 western Croat (Primorje-Croatian Littoral), 1/4 southern Croat (Dalmatia)
https://scontent.fzag1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/120136546_252718839402417_4382974660325953720_n.pn g?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_eui2=AeGFOse0jg5o16gQqPqEM3OoUu5vyXSqHDhS7m_Jd KocOFXylM66GhMBinSUoX_z2ryrL2lxXRZpYKrOHH0JieaZ&_nc_ohc=ypvfXNrxC2QAX_OGeab&_nc_ht=scontent.fzag1-2.fna&oh=32c5dc48f571ced9c0c8c0e981c929f9&oe=60F511C6
Primorje_1/4_Dalmatia,26.03,32.8,15.52,7.48,15.18,1.6,0,0,0.2 1,0.12,1.04,0,0
I think I posted his results in older thread though, because mutual friend possibly sent them months ago, but not sure about it so better to have them here.
Croat from southern Herzegovina, haplogroup E1b.
1 Baltic 31.98
2 North_Atlantic 25.68
3 West_Med 18.06
4 East_Med 12.86
5 West_Asian 7.46
6 Siberian 1.51
7 Red_Sea 1.40
2.84228781 Croat_South
3.00261553 Serb_Bosnia
3.64915059 Bosniak
3.90471510 Serb_Serbia_West
3.92807841 Serb_Croatia
4.31391933 Croat_West
4.34031105 Croat
4.36687531 Serb
4.51411121 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.72958772 Moldova_average
Varda
08-24-2021, 08:07 PM
Croat from southern Herzegovina, haplogroup E1b.
1 Baltic 31.98
2 North_Atlantic 25.68
3 West_Med 18.06
4 East_Med 12.86
5 West_Asian 7.46
6 Siberian 1.51
7 Red_Sea 1.40
2.84228781 Croat_South
3.00261553 Serb_Bosnia
3.64915059 Bosniak
3.90471510 Serb_Serbia_West
3.92807841 Serb_Croatia
4.31391933 Croat_West
4.34031105 Croat
4.36687531 Serb
4.51411121 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.72958772 Moldova_average
He is closer to Serbian than to Croatian average xD http://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=88004999&postcount=586
CommonSense
08-24-2021, 08:35 PM
He is closer to Serbian than to Croatian average xD http://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=88004999&postcount=586
Those are the results of this man:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6999244&viewfull=1#post6999244
I actually published them long before he did, lol.
He is closer to Serbian than to Croatian average xD
Are you retarded? Don't post again, thank you. He is closest to Croatian averages as my post show. Imbecile.
Those are the results of this man:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6999244&viewfull=1#post6999244
I actually published them long before he did, lol.
People should stop posting outdated Oracles from prehistoric times. "Croatian" there is not an average but consists of single academic sample from Zagreb with 38 Baltic.
That is why I posted updated averages and clearly he is closest to southern Croat one.
Varda
08-24-2021, 09:02 PM
Are you retarded? Don't post again, thank you. He is closest to Croatian averages as my post show. Imbecile.
Shut up Stears!
He is closer to Serbian than to Croatian national average.
Varda
08-24-2021, 10:15 PM
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Here he said his ancestor Ivan is recorded as vlach in Čapljina in 1700 https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=88011157&postcount=595
Vlachs in Herzegovina were just Serbs in vlach social caste.
CommonSense
08-24-2021, 10:52 PM
People should stop posting outdated Oracles from prehistoric times. "Croatian" there is not an average but consists of single academic sample from Zagreb with 38 Baltic.
That is why I posted updated averages and clearly he is closest to southern Croat one.
The vahaduo oracle distances make him close to both, as anyone can see. In reality, like most Croats from his region, he falls in between the Serbian and Croatian average.
Shut up Stears!
He is closer to Serbian than to Croatian national average.
Here he said his ancestor Ivan is recorded as vlach in Čapljina in 1700 https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=88011157&postcount=595
Vlachs in Herzegovina were just Serbs in vlach social caste.
2.84228781 Croat_South
3.00261553 Serb_Bosnia
3.64915059 Bosniak
3.90471510 Serb_Serbia_West
3.92807841 Serb_Croatia
4.31391933 Croat_West
4.34031105 Croat
4.36687531 Serb
4.51411121 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.72958772 Moldova_average
No. But I am not suprised a trash like you has no shame. He is firmly in southern Croat cluster with distance beneath 3, and closer to Croatian national average than to Serb one. Neither were than any Serbs called Ivan in Herzegovina. Ivan is of course extremely typical ethnic Croat name.
If I were Serv like you, I would be ashamed of your pitiful attempts of trying to include average Croats in your Serb ethnicity, because it proves your inferiority towards us and wish to improve your genetics with foreign element.
But I always knew how complexed, shamless and pititful you were.
Varda
08-25-2021, 09:47 AM
2.84228781 Croat_South
3.00261553 Serb_Bosnia
3.64915059 Bosniak
3.90471510 Serb_Serbia_West
3.92807841 Serb_Croatia
4.31391933 Croat_West
4.34031105 Croat
4.36687531 Serb
4.51411121 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.72958772 Moldova_average
No. But I am not suprised a trash like you has no shame. He is firmly in southern Croat cluster with distance beneath 3, and closer to Croatian national average than to Serb one. Neither were than any Serbs called Ivan in Herzegovina. Ivan is of course extremely typical ethnic Croat name.
If I were Serv like you, I would be ashamed of your pitiful attempts of trying to include average Croats in your Serb ethnicity, because it proves your inferiority towards us and wish to improve your genetics with foreign element.
But I always knew how complexed, shamless and pititful you were.
Name Ivan was common among Serbs in the past. Serbs have many surnames with root Ivan like: Ivanović, Ivanić, Ivaz, Ivanac, Ivaniš, Ivanišević, Ivaneža, Ivantić, Ivančević, Ivančić, Ivanjac etc. https://www.poreklo.rs/prwzimena-2-2/prezimena-na-slovo-i/
His ancestors is recorded as vlach, and vlach had meaning Serb in his region.
Southern Croatian cluster is anyway cluster of pseudo Croatians. Northern Croatian cluster is for sure closer to medieval Croatians than southern one, archeogenetic will show one day.
Name Ivan was common among Serbs in the past. Serbs have many surnames with root Ivan like: Ivanović, Ivanić, Ivaz, Ivanac, Ivaniš, Ivanišević, Ivaneža, Ivantić, Ivančević, Ivančić, Ivanjac etc. https://www.poreklo.rs/prwzimena-2-2/prezimena-na-slovo-i/
Nobody cares for orthodox converts. Serbs proper are Jovan.
His ancestors is recorded as vlach, and vlach had meaning Serb in his region.
Only in your rich imagination.
Southern Croatian cluster is anyway cluster of pseudo Croatians. Northern Croatian cluster is for sure closer to medieval Croatians than southern one, archeogenetic will show one day.
Irrelevant. Being closer to has nothing to do with being descended from. Southern Croats are further from medieval Slavs because their pre-Slavic part is significantly more Meddish than that of northern Croat. And actually they don't have less Slavic ancestry than them. In any case, medieval Croats had their core in the south.
Neither is this Croat close to Herzegovina Serb average. Deal with it and move on.
2.84228781 Croat_South
3.00261553 Serb_Bosnia
3.64915059 Bosniak
3.90471510 Serb_Serbia_West
3.92807841 Serb_Croatia
4.31391933 Croat_West
4.34031105 Croat
4.36687531 Serb
4.51411121 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.72958772 Moldova_average
4.77112146 Moldova_Centre
4.81124724 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.03970237 Croat_East
5.18394637 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.19258125 Csángó-Ceangău
5.19982692 Moldova_North
5.33386352 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.42323704 Romania_Maramures
5.59381802 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.72263051 Serb_Herzegovina
Varda
08-25-2021, 10:35 AM
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Varda
08-25-2021, 10:46 AM
Nobody cares for orthodox converts. Serbs proper are Jovan.
Only in your rich imagination.
Irrelevant. Being closer to has nothing to do with being descended from. Southern Croats are further from medieval Slavs because their pre-Slavic part is significantly more Meddish than that of northern Croat. And actually they don't have less Slavic ancestry than them. In any case, medieval Croats had their core in the south.
Neither is this Croat close to Herzegovina Serb average. Deal with it and move on.
2.84228781 Croat_South
3.00261553 Serb_Bosnia
3.64915059 Bosniak
3.90471510 Serb_Serbia_West
3.92807841 Serb_Croatia
4.31391933 Croat_West
4.34031105 Croat
4.36687531 Serb
4.51411121 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.72958772 Moldova_average
4.77112146 Moldova_Centre
4.81124724 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.03970237 Croat_East
5.18394637 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.19258125 Csángó-Ceangău
5.19982692 Moldova_North
5.33386352 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.42323704 Romania_Maramures
5.59381802 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.72263051 Serb_Herzegovina
4 Serbian and 2 Croatian clusters in top 7.
4 Serbian and 2 Croatian clusters in top 7.
Another poor trolling attempt. Serbs have much more regional clusters than Croats do on updated Vahaduo. He's typical Herzegovina Croat by genetics, not Herzegovina Serb, deal with it and move on.
Varda
08-25-2021, 02:28 PM
Another poor trolling attempt. Serbs have much more regional clusters than Croats do on updated Vahaduo. He's typical Herzegovina Croat by genetics, not Herzegovina Serb, deal with it and move on.
Why do you put Herzegovinian Serbs in this story?
Southern Croatians are painfully close to Bosnian Serbs. Consider why!
Croat from NW Bosnia, grandmother of person whose results I quoted below..
North_Atlantic 24.93 Pct
Baltic 33.47 Pct
West_Med 14.16 Pct
West_Asian 8 Pct
East_Med 16.28 Pct
Red_Sea 0.85 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.52
Amerindian 0.83 Pct
Oceanian 0.31 Pct
Northeast_African 0.63 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Bosnian Croat (from Bosanska Krajina), E-V13
North_Atlantic 28.91 Pct
Baltic 34.69 Pct
West_Med 13.72 Pct
West_Asian 7.48 Pct
East_Med 11.37 Pct
Red_Sea 2.03 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.63 Pct
Oceanian 1.01 Pct
Northeast_African 0.17 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
CommonSense
09-01-2021, 10:45 AM
Croat from NW Bosnia, grandmother of person whose results I quoted below..
North_Atlantic 24.93 Pct
Baltic 33.47 Pct
West_Med 14.16 Pct
West_Asian 8 Pct
East_Med 16.28 Pct
Red_Sea 0.85 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.52
Amerindian 0.83 Pct
Oceanian 0.31 Pct
Northeast_African 0.63 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Do you know which municipality? In Bihać, where my grandfather was from, the Croats (unlike Serbs and Bosniaks) mostly descend from the old medieval population of the area.
Varda
09-01-2021, 02:34 PM
Do you know which municipality? In Bihać, where my grandfather was from, the Croats (unlike Serbs and Bosniaks) mostly descend from the old medieval population of the area.
Small modern Croatian population of Bosanska Krajina is not medieval (pre-Ottoman). They are descendants of later settlers from Završje and Croatia (mostly from Lika), part of them settled in BK after 1878. when AH occupied BiH.
For example Croatians from Krnjeuša near Bosanski Petrovac are settlers from Lika (mostly Bunjevci, but also Kranjci) in 1879/80.
Nakon dolaska pod Austro-Ugarsku slijedi masovno naseljavanje Krnjeuše. Narod je težeći za novim i plodnijim prostorom migrirao ovamo sa prostora Like i Krbave. Većinom su se doselili pravoslavci, a doselili su se i brojni Hrvati katolici... https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krnjeu%C5%A1a#Povijest
Do you know which municipality? In Bihać, where my grandfather was from, the Croats (unlike Serbs and Bosniaks) mostly descend from the old medieval population of the area.
Unfortunately I don't know, but Varda can ask him on forum.hr, would be interesting to know.
Small modern Croatian population of Bosanska Krajina is not medieval (pre-Ottoman). They are descendants of later settlers from Završje and Croatia (mostly from Lika), part of them settled in BK after 1878. when AH occupied BiH.
For example Croatians from Krnjeuša near Bosanski Petrovac are settlers from Lika (mostly Bunjevci, but also Kranjci) in 1879/80.
Nakon dolaska pod Austro-Ugarsku slijedi masovno naseljavanje Krnjeuše. Narod je težeći za novim i plodnijim prostorom migrirao ovamo sa prostora Like i Krbave. Većinom su se doselili pravoslavci, a doselili su se i brojni Hrvati katolici... https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krnjeu%C5%A1a#Povijest
That is just one place and doesn't say much for rest of Bosanska Krajina. Ofcourse some are native there since even some Serbs from NW Bosnia have native pre-Croatian admix from this area.
Besides Bunjevci are not natives of Lika either.
CommonSense
09-01-2021, 02:48 PM
Small modern Croatian population of Bosanska Krajina is not medieval (pre-Ottoman). They are descendants of later settlers from Zavrje and Croatia (mostly from Lika), part of them settled in BK after 1878. when AH occupied BiH.
For example Croatians from Krnjeua near Bosanski Petrovac are settlers from Lika (mostly Bunjevci, but also Kranjci) in 1879/80.
Nakon dolaska pod Austro-Ugarsku slijedi masovno naseljavanje Krnjeue. Narod je teeći za novim i plodnijim prostorom migrirao ovamo sa prostora Like i Krbave. Većinom su se doselili pravoslavci, a doselili su se i brojni Hrvati katolici... https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krnjeu%C5%A1a#Povijest
I know about Krnjeua and that quote you posted, because I have ancestry from that village and the surroundings too :D But while I was reading Karanović's book I saw he talked about some catholic lineages that were already there when the Ottomans conquered the territory. I think it was in the section about Bihać.
Varda
09-01-2021, 02:52 PM
Unfortunately I don't know, but Varda can ask him on forum.hr, would be interesting to know.
That is just one place and doesn't say much for rest of Bosanska Krajina. Ofcourse some are native there since even some Serbs from NW Bosnia have native pre-Croatian admix from this area.
Besides Bunjevci are not natives of Lika either.
Of course Bunjevci are not native in Lika. They are settlers from Herzegovina via northern Dalmatia in 17th century. But Bunjevci who settled in Bosanska Krajina in 19th century arrived from Lika. Kranjci are kaykavian and semi kaykavian settlers in Lika from Gorski Kotar and southern Slovenia in the late 17th century. Lika Croatians are divided on Bunjevci, Kranjci and natives (chakavians). Bunjevci are most numerous. Anyway there 3 groups are mostly mixed in modern period.
Duan
09-01-2021, 03:14 PM
I know about Krnjeua and that quote you posted, because I have ancestry from that village and the surroundings too :D But while I was reading Karanović's book I saw he talked about some catholic lineages that were already there when the Ottomans conquered the territory. I think it was in the section about Bihać.
This is what Pavo that used to be active in Poreklo forum, said:
Isto tako mislim da nije bilo neke asimiliacije starosjedilačkog stanovnitva ne samo zbog različite vjere već i zbog načina na koji su krajevi zapadno od Vrbasa pali pod Osmanlije. To je bio rezultat stogodinjeg ratovanja(Velika Kladua je pala tek 1633., recimo) koji je ostavio čitave krajeve potpuno praznim. Iz deftera 1604. se vidi da je čitav dananji dio BiH zapadno od Une prazan. Samo u Bihaću ima posada koja je dovedena iz tvrđavnih naselja oko Sanskog Mosta i neto katoličkog stanovnitva ispod grada koje je izričito doseljeničko, vjerojatno iz krajeva oko Livna ili Jajca. Tako da recimo u tim općinama Bihać, Cazin, Kladua, Krupa uopće nema starosjedilačkog stanovnitva. Sva tri naroda čine doseljenici, i to iz oko 1600. Previe i predugo je tu bilo borbi da bi se ikakvo ratarsko stanovnitvo očuvalo.
Entire Bosanska Krajina (western Bosnia) was empty due to Ottoman-Austrian wars.
Few Croatian enclaves in Bosanska Krajina are not natives, but settlers mostly from Drni-Split area.
https://i.imgur.com/QW6ihiB.png
https://www.academia.edu/36478431/Doseljavanja_iz_Dalmacije_na_podru%C4%8Dje_sjevero zapadne_Bosne_do_1818._godine_Immigration_from_Dal matia_to_the_area_of_northwestern_Bosnia_until_the _year_1818
Varda
09-01-2021, 03:26 PM
This is what Pavo that used to be active in Poreklo forum, said:
Entire Bosanska Krajina (western Bosnia) was empty due to Ottoman-Austrian wars.
Few Croatian enclaves in Bosanska Krajina are not natives, but settlers mostly from Drniš-Split area.
https://i.imgur.com/QW6ihiB.png
https://www.academia.edu/36478431/Doseljavanja_iz_Dalmacije_na_podru%C4%8Dje_sjevero zapadne_Bosne_do_1818._godine_Immigration_from_Dal matia_to_the_area_of_northwestern_Bosnia_until_the _year_1818
If some Croatian enclaves of most western part of Bosnia survived Ottoman invasion they would be chakavian speakers or at least with significant chakavian substrate. Pre-Ottoman Croatians who lived west of Sana river were chakavians. Present they Croatian enclaves of this region have zero connection with chakavian linguistically. Muslims of Cazinska Krajina as well are not connected with chakavian.
CommonSense
09-01-2021, 04:01 PM
If the Croats weren't so afraid of making their own DNA project, we wouldn't have to resort to all this speculation :)
Entire Bosanska Krajina (western Bosnia) was empty due to Ottoman-Austrian wars.
Few Croatian enclaves in Bosanska Krajina are not natives, but settlers mostly from Drniš-Split area.
Incorrect. Area never gets completely depopulated, these are fantasies. And these were Croatian-Ottoman wars, of course, you just dislike to mention that because you Serbs settled on our land. And Austrians brought you. Wars with Ottomans started long before Croats selected Habsburgs as their Kings.
If western Bosnia got fully depopulated, there would be no Serbs with autosomal Croatian like results but there are, like this one from Dubica:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.95
2 North_Atlantic 26.97
3 West_Med 13.95
4 East_Med 11.54
5 West_Asian 7.96
6 South_Asian 1.66
7 Siberian 1.41
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Sub-Saharan 0.51
10 Oceanian 0.46
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.91
2 Moldavian 3.63
3 Hungarian 5.98
4 Serbian 8.4
Not to mention some of Y-DNA haplogroups Serbs have there have no connection with eastern Herzegovina but are native to the area.
Thus yes, area was mostly depopulated, entirely not. Such things don't happen except in fairly tale of some romantic historians.
If some Croatian enclaves of most western part of Bosnia survived Ottoman invasion they would be chakavian speakers or at least with significant chakavian substrate. Pre-Ottoman Croatians who lived west of Sana river were chakavians. Present they Croatian enclaves of this region have zero connection with chakavian linguistically. Muslims of Cazinska Krajina as well are not connected with chakavian.
Not entirely correct. Burgenland Croats who are natives of NW Bosnia speak all three dialects of Croatian, including Stokavian. They are mostly Chakavian, but not entirely.
This is pre-Turkish distribution of Croatian dialects there:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Burgeland_origin_theory.png/1280px-Burgeland_origin_theory.png
If the Croats weren't so afraid of making their own DNA project, we wouldn't have to resort to all this speculation :)
There is.
Duan
09-02-2021, 09:48 AM
Incorrect. Area never gets completely depopulated, these are fantasies. And these were Croatian-Ottoman wars, of course, you just dislike to mention that because you Serbs settled on our land. And Austrians brought you. Wars with Ottomans started long before Croats selected Habsburgs as their Kings.
If western Bosnia got fully depopulated, there would be no Serbs with autosomal Croatian like results but there are, like this one from Dubica:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.95
2 North_Atlantic 26.97
3 West_Med 13.95
4 East_Med 11.54
5 West_Asian 7.96
6 South_Asian 1.66
7 Siberian 1.41
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Sub-Saharan 0.51
10 Oceanian 0.46
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.91
2 Moldavian 3.63
3 Hungarian 5.98
4 Serbian 8.4
Not to mention some of Y-DNA haplogroups Serbs have there have no connection with eastern Herzegovina but are native to the area.
Thus yes, area was mostly depopulated, entirely not. Such things don't happen except in fairly tale of some romantic historians.
One result among hundreds proves nothing.
Read the article written in Split, Croatia about migrations of Catholics from Dalmatia into Bosanska Krajina.
These Croats are no natives in few enclaves where they lived, but settlers.
https://www.academia.edu/36478431/Doseljavanja_iz_Dalmacije_na_podru%C4%8Dje_sjevero zapadne_Bosne_do_1818._godine_Immigration_from_Dal matia_to_the_area_of_northwestern_Bosnia_until_the _year_1818
All three nations are settlers in Bosanska Krajina from 16th century onwards.
Duan
09-02-2021, 09:50 AM
double
Varda
09-02-2021, 02:48 PM
Nobody cares for orthodox converts. Serbs proper are Jovan.
Yes, Jovan and Jovo (nickname of Jovan) are exclusively Serbian. Same goes for surnames Jovanović, Jović, Jovanić, Jovićević, Jovetić, Jovančević etc.
Croatians with surname Jović (from Imotski) are clearly of Serbian Orthodox origin. Their ancestors converted on Catholicism and became Croatians.
https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Jović_(novinar)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Jović
CommonSense
09-02-2021, 07:50 PM
Not entirely correct. Burgenland Croats who are natives of NW Bosnia speak all three dialects of Croatian, including Stokavian. They are mostly Chakavian, but not entirely.
This is pre-Turkish distribution of Croatian dialects there:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Burgeland_origin_theory.png/1280px-Burgeland_origin_theory.png
There is.
There's only a private DNA 'project' on FTDNA that nobody has any info about. They aren't an official organisation with their own website and they've never published any statistics. Even ultra-religious Sandakians managed to create a decent endeavor, so why can't Croats do it too?
Btw, Serbs from Bosnian Krajina are autsomally more southern than those from eastern and central Bosnia aka Bosnia proper.
Duan
09-02-2021, 08:03 PM
Btw, Serbs from Bosnian Krajina are autsomally more southern than those from eastern and central Bosnia aka Bosnia proper.
True.
Varda
09-02-2021, 08:26 PM
One result among hundreds proves nothing.
Read the article written in Split, Croatia about migrations of Catholics from Dalmatia into Bosanska Krajina.
These Croats are no natives in few enclaves where they lived, but settlers.
https://www.academia.edu/36478431/Doseljavanja_iz_Dalmacije_na_podru%C4%8Dje_sjevero zapadne_Bosne_do_1818._godine_Immigration_from_Dal matia_to_the_area_of_northwestern_Bosnia_until_the _year_1818
All three nations are settlers in Bosanska Krajina from 16th century onwards.
These Serbian families which celebrate Saint Marko are probably in Bosanska Krajina before 16th century, maybe they are the oldest settlers from Herzegovina in 15th century https://www.poreklo.rs/2020/11/28/slavljenici-markovdana-u-krajini/
Prema Milanu Karanoviću, reč je o starosedeocima u Bosanskoj Krajini. U Punje, i druge delove Krajine, iseljavali su se sa Zmijanja, gde su nekad bili jedno sa starosedelačkom (kneževskom) porodicom Kneževića. Isti rod su i sa Đermanima u Glamočkom polju. Ovi Kneževići sa Zmijanja neguju predanje o poreklu iz Hercegovine (okolina Konjica). Već u 16. veku su morali biti na Zmijanju, s obzirom da postoji legenda tome kako je knez Ratko "vodio Zmijanjce u osvajanje Bihaća."
Pripadnici ove grupe rodova isticali su se visinom i plavom (često riđom) kovrdžavom kosom. Veruje se da su prezimena neretko dobijali zahvaljujući ovim osobinama. Šipka (visok i tanak), Keča (plave, kovrdžave kose) itd. Sudeći telesnim osobinama, rod Keča-Šipka-Đukić ne odudara od islamizovanih i katoličkih rodova srednje Bosne i Bosanske Krajine. Karanović je primetio da je slično i sa ostalim starosedelačkim porodicama iz Bosanske Krajine (doseljenici sa Zmijanja).
Kad su genetska poklapanja u pitanju, testirani iz ovog roda nemaju bližih srodnika u južnim oblastima, pa može biti da su zaista nešto stariji rod na prostoru Zmijanja. Možda čak i stariji doseljenici iz Hercegovine, kako kaže predanje Kneževića. S tim u vezi važno je pomenuti da je Čađavici (Novi Grad) nekada stanovala porodica Ercegovac (slava Markovdan).
There's only a private DNA 'project' on FTDNA that nobody has any info about. They aren't an official organisation with their own website and they've never published any statistics. Even ultra-religious Sandžakians managed to create a decent endeavor, so why can't Croats do it too?
There isn't much to say about it because that place is rather inactive and results are few. If you're asking why is it like that, I have no idea. Croats seem rather cynical and privacy concerned when talking about DNA testing. Having own project separate from FTDNA and testing lab would certainly help.
Duan
09-02-2021, 08:51 PM
These Serbian families which celebrate Saint Marko are probably in Bosanska Krajina before 16th century, maybe they are the oldest settlers from Herzegovina in 15th century https://www.poreklo.rs/2020/11/28/slavljenici-markovdana-u-krajini/
One of these surnames in Poreklo site you mentioned is surname of mother of my paternal grandfather, so my great-grandmother.
They probably settled in Lika from Zmijanje via northern Dalmatia, because it is known their arrival from Dalmatia.
Zmijanje plateau was isolated and had some local autonomy in Ottoman times, probably the best position that Christians could get in that anti-Christian empire.
Varda
09-02-2021, 09:17 PM
One of these surnames in Poreklo site you mentioned is surname of mother of my paternal grandfather, so my great-grandmother.
They probably settled in Lika from Zmijanje via northern Dalmatia, because it is known their arrival from Dalmatia.
Zmijanje plateau was isolated and had some local autonomy in Ottoman times, probably the best position that Christians could get in that anti-Christian empire.
Yes, during the Ottoman rule Zmijanje had autonomy and islamization on Zmijanje was very rare https://www.poreklo.rs/2014/07/13/zmijanje-zmijanjci/
In the first half of 16th century Benedikt Kuripešić described Zmijanje as densely populated with Orthodoxes. This means that Serbs settled on Zmijanje even before Ottomans in 15th and early 16th century. Kuripešić visited Zmijanje only few years after the Ottomans conquered region. On Poreklo there was talk about old Serbian settler from Herzegovina on Zmijanje from 15th and early 16th century. In the eyes of later Serbian settlers in B. Krajina they were natives. Ancestors of Petar Kočić probably settled on Zmijanje from Herzegovina before Ottomans (same as families which celebrate Markovdan). Kočići from Zmijanje genetically belong to Maleševci clan from Trebinje-Bileća area (PH908).
Zmijanje in the past was Serbian stronghold/base for the colonization of other parts of B. Krajina, northern Dalmatia and Lika. Serbs of Zmijanje were always most proud of all B. Krajina Serbs and a lot of them considered themselves for natives, unlike other B. Krajina Serbs who mostly claimed origin from southeast (Herzegovina & Montenegro usually).
Half Dalmatia, half Kvarner/north Adriatic
1 Baltic 31.74
2 North_Atlantic 30.97
3 West_Med 17.94
4 East_Med 9.47
5 West_Asian 6.62
6 Siberian 1.33
7 Red_Sea 1.06
8 Northeast_African 0.56
9 Amerindian 0.29
4.17333200 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.18068176 Hungarian
4.30989559 Hungarian_Alföld
4.50941238 Slovenian
4.70861976 Croat_North
5.30090558 Croat
5.55937047 Croat_West
5.96041945 Csángó-Ceangău
6.13004894 Hungarian_North
6.48125759 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.85270020 Croat_South
7.16342795 Croat_East
7.62542458 Austrian
7.67068445 Slovak
8.10274028 Bosniak_Bosnia
8.29838539 Serb_Bosnia
8.43330896 Serb_Serbia_West
8.43885063 Bosniak
8.65071673 Czech
8.77894641 Serb_Croatia
9.04430760 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.06199205 German_East
9.21359865 Ukrainian_Carpathian
9.36491858 Moldova_North
9.39672815 Serb
Varda
10-03-2021, 07:50 PM
Croatian from Istria (SunAndros).
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=88630907&postcount=615
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=88633577&postcount=617
Croatian from Istria (SunAndros).
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=88630907&postcount=615
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=88633577&postcount=617
Highly valuable result, full native Istrian! Too bad he didn't post his full K13 admixture proportions. Seems Moro got it though, so it's all good.
Varda
10-05-2021, 01:28 PM
Highly valuable result, full native Istrian! Too bad he didn't post his full K13 admixture proportions. Seems Moro got it though, so it's all good.
Yes, the sum of the components he posted is 99.53%.
Yes, the sum of the components he posted is 99.53%.
Oh, I didn't even see he posted that much. Than it's pretty much okay, 0.5% is nothing.
Baltic 29.54
North Atlantic 25.78
WestMed 17.28
EastMed 16.28
West Asian 9.19
Siberian 1.46
2.28035085 Serb_Serbia_West
2.36558661 Serb
2.37884426 Serb_Serbia_Central
2.39298976 Serb_Croatia
2.46412256 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
2.97084163 Serb_Herzegovina
3.23485703 Romania_Maramures
3.31449845 Serb_Bosnia
3.58413169 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.59318800 Serb_Serbia_South
3.71997312 Romania_Crisana
4.35341245 Croat_South
4.38544182 Montenegrin
4.53609965 Moldova_average
4.58949888 Romania_Transylvania
4.61649217 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.67632334 Moldova_Centre
4.88072740 Bosniak
5.14994175 Romania_average
5.45563928 Moldova_South
5.46058605 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
5.51882234 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.58946330 Croat_West
5.86937816 Romania_Banat
5.97412755 Romania_Oltenia
His admixture proportions look like typical Serb result, and such results are not hard to to find in Istria. His haplogroup seems to be I2-din.
Varda
10-05-2021, 01:55 PM
Oh, I didn't even see he posted that much. Than it's pretty much okay, 0.5% is nothing.
Baltic 29.54
North Atlantic 25.78
WestMed 17.28
EastMed 16.28
West Asian 9.19
Siberian 1.46
2.28035085 Serb_Serbia_West
2.36558661 Serb
2.37884426 Serb_Serbia_Central
2.39298976 Serb_Croatia
2.46412256 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
2.97084163 Serb_Herzegovina
3.23485703 Romania_Maramures
3.31449845 Serb_Bosnia
3.58413169 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.59318800 Serb_Serbia_South
3.71997312 Romania_Crisana
4.35341245 Croat_South
4.38544182 Montenegrin
4.53609965 Moldova_average
4.58949888 Romania_Transylvania
4.61649217 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.67632334 Moldova_Centre
4.88072740 Bosniak
5.14994175 Romania_average
5.45563928 Moldova_South
5.46058605 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
5.51882234 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.58946330 Croat_West
5.86937816 Romania_Banat
5.97412755 Romania_Oltenia
His admixture proportions look like typical Serb result, and such results are not hard to to find in Istria. His haplogroup seems to be I2-din.
He said his paternal line probably came to Istria from area around Svijala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svilaja
And all his ancestral lineages are present in Istria for centuries (200-400 years).
He said his paternal line probably came to Istria from area around Svijala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svilaja
And all his ancestral lineages are present in Istria for centuries (200-400 years).
Yeah, Moro said he has sample with similar results from Poreč area. This guy has only one ancestor with Italian or French surname very far back, all other are Croatian.
Istria is rather diverse genetically, but on average more southern shifted than both Kvarner and especially Gorski kotar (except Bunjevci descendants there). Yet some Istrians plot like north Croats or Slovenes.
His results don't look north Italian shifted, but more Balkan shifted, east Med and west Asian are elevated and even minor Siberian.
rothaer
10-05-2021, 04:41 PM
His admixture proportions look like typical Serb result, and such results are not hard to to find in Istria.
Because it's part of the normal spread of results or is it representative in any way? And if the latter, why?
Because it's part of the normal spread of results or is it representative in any way? And if the latter, why?
It's part of normal range there, so yes, representative. Western Istria has centuries old Romance-Italian presence, and also lot of later migrations into Istria came from dinaric alps regions like Dalmatia, Herzegovina and Montenegro.
But than again there is older layer of Slavic population in parts of Istria that that can plot like east-central Europeans.
Very complex population structure in that peninsula. Their results can vary a lot.
vbnetkhio
10-08-2021, 08:52 AM
Croatian academic samples from Split. It's the 10 old ones, but much higher quality (99% snps present) , plus 9 new samples. Thanks to Lucas for sharing the dataset.
_North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfricanSub-Saharan
SPL001622.0231.0517.212.3514.480.510.010.020.890.7 70.7100
SPL003130.1629.7413.768.7413.541.360.990.750.010.6 100.330
SPL004125.7835.8613.928.8310.012.860.3401.221.1600 .010
SPL004727.4332.519.286.839.452.190.030.260.410.710 .9100
SPL004826.9130.6216.057.8917.010.250.0200.0401.210 0
SPL005326.8232.3618.8598.272.340.3300.770.40.8500
SPL005631.0531.6413.238.0413.21.370.0510.070.340.0 100
SPL006620.0429.8616.4310.817.732.460.121.050.950.5 30.0300
SPL009325.8532.6215.648.0613.682.0600.90.7300.4400
SPL010326.1331.214.6310.0111.964.380.01000.61.0600 .01
SPL010725.4833.9912.469.114.972.40.20.110.470.330. 4900
SPL014326.3730.6711.8612.1914.90.340.230.1302.340. 9200.05
SPL015328.4128.8616.399.0712.282.530.420.10.670.87 00.020.37
SPL015624.4532.4817.149.5411.40.932.310.290.830.01 0.130.10.39
SPL015726.7535.91197.348.840.0300.010.880.220.240. 540.24
SPL015829.6230.1717.636.2913.741.560.0100.020.360. 6100
SPL016123.7834.317.948.7711.151.651.110.970.3100.0 200
SPL018225.2433.7517.46.713.662.2100.110.40.220.100 .21
SPL018327.2832.1915.278.1412.492.6900.6200.6900.03 0.59
avg26.2932.0916.008.8312.781.800.330.330.460.530.4 10.050.10
vbnetkhio
10-08-2021, 08:54 AM
slight outliers are 16 and 66, because of lower NA, and 103 still has high red sea, as in the lower quality version, but he's one of the closest samples to the average nonetheless.
https://i.imgur.com/UZWbrZt.png
vbnetkhio
10-08-2021, 09:57 AM
Thanks a lot Vbn :)
here's the files, if you want to upload to gedmatch and check whom they match.
https://easyupload.io/0lor3z
here's the files, if you want to upload to gedmatch and check whom they match.
https://easyupload.io/0lor3z
Thanks, I will check them out! :thumbsup:
Nausevar
10-08-2021, 05:58 PM
slight outliers are 16 and 66, because of lower NA, and 103 still has high red sea, as in the lower quality version, but he's one of the closest samples to the average nonetheless.
https://i.imgur.com/UZWbrZt.png
What do those 2 axis mean?
SunAndros
10-14-2021, 10:50 AM
Highly valuable result, full native Istrian! Too bad he didn't post his full K13 admixture proportions. Seems Moro got it though, so it's all good.
Hi there! Just posting my full result, didn't realise I missed a bit on forum.hr earlier.
North_Atlantic 25.78 Pct
Baltic 29.54 Pct
West_Med 17.28 Pct
West_Asian 9.19 Pct
East_Med 16.28 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.46 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African -
Also, Dodecad K12 if that helps:
Gedrosia 3.21 Pct
Siberian 0.77 Pct
Northwest_African 0.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.77 Pct
North_European 40.46 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22.81 Pct
Sub_Saharan
Hi there! Just posting my full result, didn't realise I missed a bit on forum.hr earlier.
North_Atlantic 25.78 Pct
Baltic 29.54 Pct
West_Med 17.28 Pct
West_Asian 9.19 Pct
East_Med 16.28 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.46 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African -
Also, Dodecad K12 if that helps:
Gedrosia 3.21 Pct
Siberian 0.77 Pct
Northwest_African 0.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.77 Pct
North_European 40.46 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22.81 Pct
Sub_Saharan
Thank you and welcome to the forum!!
Croat from Herzegovina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O6rqXS1wog&ab_channel=Ante7539
1 Baltic 35.47
2 North_Atlantic 24.8
3 West_Med 16.21
4 East_Med 13.44
5 West_Asian 3.43
6 Red_Sea 3.06
7 Amerindian 1.39
8 Oceanian 0.78
9 East_Asian 0.63
10 South_Asian 0.58
11 Sub-Saharan 0.21
Distance to: Ante
6.17132077 Bosniak_Bosnia
6.23203819 Croat_East
6.52018405 Croat
6.56373369 Bosniak
6.65619261 Croat_South
7.17888571 Croat_West
7.20183310 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.26342206 Moldova_North
7.41482299 Serb_Bosnia
7.55423060 Hungarian_Alföld
7.78053340 Croat_North
8.04618543 Moldova_average
8.05957195 Moldova_Centre
8.11876222 Hungarian_North
8.14195922 Serb_Croatia
8.51380643 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.52232949 Hungarian
8.57631623 Serb_Serbia_Central
8.83159668 Serb
8.85674884 Slovenian
8.94788802 Serb_Serbia_West
9.39379050 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
9.42570952 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
9.51923316 Csángó-Ceangău
9.56134928 Romania_Maramures
Target: Ante
Distance: 3.0205% / 3.02047367 | R2P
77.3 Polish_Silesia
22.7 Italian_Jewish
Croat from Herzegovina
On Gedmatch he is quite Northern (like Vlatko Vukovic) but the MH results are a joke. 90% Balkan, 6% Finnish, 4% Eastern Euro. LOL :lol:
On Gedmatch he is quite Northern (like Vlatko Vukovic) but the MH results are a joke. 90% Balkan, 6% Finnish, 4% Eastern Euro. LOL :lol:
Well, Balkan is south Slav like DNA closest to modern day Serbs as far as I'm aware. But lot of weird results for Croats there.
Greek and south Italian would correspond more with Paleo-Balkanic DNA. I for example get 0% Balkan, but mix of Eastern Euro + Greek/S. Italian mostly.
Could be from anywhere in Croatia, but surname looks to be from island of Šolta in Dalmatia. Asked him where he's from in comments, perhaps he'll reply.
his haplogroup is this subclade of R1a : https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH3782/
And one sample there is from Split-Dalmatia county which is probably him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxNhuVofoVo&ab_channel=MarkoBavcevic
North_Atlantic 27.54 Pct
Baltic 33.53 Pct
West_Med 17.06 Pct
West_Asian 4.73 Pct
East_Med 13.03 Pct
Red_Sea 1.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.65 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.29 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Distance to: Marko
4.00031249 Croat
4.23708626 Croat_West
4.51597166 Croat_South
4.77437954 Hungarian_Alföld
4.92446951 Croat_East
5.42492396 Croat_North
5.51596773 Bosniak
5.54709834 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.57323963 Hungarian
5.76970537 Serb_Bosnia
6.15247918 Hungarian_North
6.26048720 Slovenian
6.34636904 Serb_Croatia
6.44805397 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.63661058 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.70770453 Csángó-Ceangău
6.75553107 Serb_Serbia_West
6.88395235 Moldova_North
6.92664421 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.04496274 Serb_Serbia_Central
7.14837044 Serb
7.17416197 Moldova_Centre
7.26090903 Moldova_average
7.33721337 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.76101153 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
Target: Marko
Distance: 2.7026% / 2.70255585 | R2P
55.3 Belarusian_Minsk
44.7 Italian_Lombardy
Well, Balkan is south Slav like DNA closest to modern day Serbs as far as I'm aware. But lot of weird results for Croats there.
Greek and south Italian would correspond more with Paleo-Balkanic DNA. I for example get 0% Balkan, but mix of Eastern Euro + Greek/S. Italian mostly.
You are correct but because of such inaccuracy some would think they are "predominantly Paleobalkan".
Croat from Zagreb, haplogroup I2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV6KmWyFC9U&ab_channel=AloeSinaloe
minor values under 1% are missing though, his fit would probably be tighter with them
1 Baltic 33.44
2 North_Atlantic 28.78
3 East_Med 15.69
4 West_Med 13.55
5 West_Asian 5.42
6 Northeast_African 1.75
Distance to: Karlo
7.13171087 Croat_West
7.49773299 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.86002545 Hungarian
7.99167066 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.47128680 Hungarian_Alföld
8.61557311 Croat
8.83675846 Slovenian
9.01726123 Austrian
9.08944443 Croat_North
9.16543507 Croat_South
9.28362537 Csángó-Ceangău
9.52887192 Hungarian_North
9.72527635 Serb_Croatia
9.93484776 Serb_Serbia_West
10.03151534 Serb_Serbia_Central
10.20357780 Croat_East
10.21757310 Romania_Moldavia_North
10.40345135 Romania_Crisana
10.43097790 Serb_Bosnia
10.45436273 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
10.49527513 Serb
10.64703245 Bosniak
10.83143112 Romania_Maramures
11.10425594 Serb_Herzegovina
11.28066044 Bosniak_Bosnia
Target: Karlo
Distance: 4.6422% / 4.64218970 | R2P
50.9 Greek_Northern-Thrace
49.1 Swedish
results from two other calcs
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
1 Baltic 22.76
2 North_Sea 21.62
3 Atlantic 14.82
4 Eastern_Euro 12.19
5 East_Med 11.76
6 West_Med 9.96
7 West_Asian 5.12
8 Northeast_African 1.73
9 Red_Sea 0.05
Single Population Sharing:
1 Hungarian 6.03
2 Moldavian 6.86
3 Croatian 6.9
4 Serbian 8.62
5 Austrian 9.43
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.8
7 Romanian 10.45
8 South_Polish 10.57
9 Ukrainian 10.65
10 East_German 11.49
11 Bulgarian 12.65
12 Polish 13.12
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.25
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.65
15 Southwest_Russian 14.86
16 Belorussian 15.79
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.16
18 Estonian_Polish 16.32
19 Finnish 16.37
20 Estonian 16.99
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 52.9% Estonian + 47.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.95
2 63.6% Estonian + 36.4% South_Italian @ 4.47
3 76.8% Ukrainian + 23.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.53
4 79.1% South_Polish + 20.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.58
5 74.8% Ukrainian + 25.2% South_Italian @ 4.58
6 65.9% South_Polish + 34.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.6
7 65.7% Ukrainian + 34.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.63
8 74.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 25.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.65
9 78.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.66
10 72.8% Ukrainian + 27.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.67
11 60% Polish + 40% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.68
12 61.3% Estonian + 38.7% East_Sicilian @ 4.7
13 79.1% Ukrainian + 20.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.73
14 60.7% Estonian + 39.3% Central_Greek @ 4.74
15 77.7% Ukrainian + 22.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.74
16 73.1% Ukrainian + 26.9% East_Sicilian @ 4.76
17 79.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.77
18 76.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.1% South_Italian @ 4.78
19 55.2% Estonian + 44.8% Greek @ 4.79
20 68.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 31.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.8
MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
1 NorthEastEuropean 28.13
2 Caucasian 26
3 Neolithic 24.18
4 Steppe 17.34
5 NorthAfrican 2.31
6 NearEast 0.98
7 EastAfrican 0.77
8 Siberian 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
1 Hungarian (Budapest) 2.59
2 Croat (Croatia) 3.14
3 Hungarian (Hungary) 3.15
4 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4
5 Slovenian (Slovenia) 4.16
6 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.24
7 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.29
8 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 4.54
9 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.75
10 Czech (Czechia) 5.18
11 Pole (Wroclaw) 5.4
12 Pole (EastPoland) 5.53
13 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.6
14 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 5.73
15 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.74
16 Sorb (Lusatia) 6.14
17 Pole (WestPoland) 6.32
18 Moldavian (Molodva) 6.36
19 Austrian (Austria) 6.39
20 Serbian (Serbia) 6.74
Could be from anywhere in Croatia, but surname looks to be from island of Šolta in Dalmatia. Asked him where he's from in comments, perhaps he'll reply.
his haplogroup is this subclade of R1a : https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH3782/
And one sample there is from Split-Dalmatia county which is probably him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxNhuVofoVo&ab_channel=MarkoBavcevic
North_Atlantic 27.54 Pct
Baltic 33.53 Pct
West_Med 17.06 Pct
West_Asian 4.73 Pct
East_Med 13.03 Pct
Red_Sea 1.66 Pct
South_Asian 0.65 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.29 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Distance to: Marko
4.00031249 Croat
4.23708626 Croat_West
4.51597166 Croat_South
4.77437954 Hungarian_Alföld
4.92446951 Croat_East
5.42492396 Croat_North
5.51596773 Bosniak
5.54709834 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.57323963 Hungarian
5.76970537 Serb_Bosnia
6.15247918 Hungarian_North
6.26048720 Slovenian
6.34636904 Serb_Croatia
6.44805397 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.63661058 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.70770453 Csángó-Ceangău
6.75553107 Serb_Serbia_West
6.88395235 Moldova_North
6.92664421 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.04496274 Serb_Serbia_Central
7.14837044 Serb
7.17416197 Moldova_Centre
7.26090903 Moldova_average
7.33721337 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.76101153 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
Target: Marko
Distance: 2.7026% / 2.70255585 | R2P
55.3 Belarusian_Minsk
44.7 Italian_Lombardy
He is from Island of Šolta! This is one of rare full Islanders results I've seen on gedmatch. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0olta
He is from Island of Šolta! This is one of rare full Islanders results I've seen on gedmatch. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0olta
Correction: he is actually half from Šolta, half from Rama in northern Herzgovina. :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prozor-Rama
From eastern Slavonia!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t62PIuHYYfY
1 Baltic 34.46
2 North_Atlantic 23.3
3 West_Med 12.81
4 East_Med 12.2
5 West_Asian 11.08
6 Red_Sea 2.99
7 Siberian 1.29
8 South_Asian 0.88
9 Amerindian 0.51
10 Oceanian 0.48
Distance to: Dominik
2.92470511 Moldova_North
4.24414891 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.80193711 Bosniak
4.97329870 Moldova_Centre
5.02466914 Croat_East
5.19925956 Moldova_average
6.18941839 Croat_South
6.23512630 Serb_Bosnia
6.36407888 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.63091246 Croat
6.99506969 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.48457748 Serb_Croatia
7.64393878 Croat_West
7.82549679 Csángó-Ceangău
7.88059008 Serb
7.91377280 Hungarian_Alföld
8.11103569 Serb_Serbia_West
8.30590152 Serb_Serbia_Central
8.45593283 Romania_Maramures
8.51906685 Croat_North
8.72586958 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
8.84089928 Serb_Serbia_South
8.84536602 Hungarian
8.85866243 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
9.17924289 Hungarian_North
Target: Dominik
Distance: 1.7951% / 1.79505808 | R2P
84.9 Ukrainian_Galicia
15.1 Greek_Caucasus
From eastern Slavonia!
This guy actually has a Slovak grandfather, I just learned. Even though it is not visible in his results.
Dalmatian Croat half from island of Brač and half from Sinj in dalmatian hinterland.
North_Atlantic 28.62 Pct
Baltic 29.4 Pct
West_Med 18.06 Pct
West_Asian 7.38 Pct
East_Med 13.60 Pct
Red_Sea 2.43 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.39 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Dalmatia
3.85574895 Croat_West
4.09383683 Serb_Serbia_West
4.19920231 Romania_Maramures
4.25195249 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.27093667 Croat_South
4.45316741 Serb_Croatia
4.93338626 Serb
4.98688279 Serb_Bosnia
5.07334209 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.10372413 Csángó-Ceangău
5.19890373 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.29025519 Croat
5.52550450 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.71389534 Serb_Herzegovina
5.81351013 Romania_Crisana
5.87940473 Bosniak
6.16880864 Hungarian_Alföld
6.46119958 Hungarian
6.78472549 Serb_Serbia_South
6.86389831 Moldova_Centre
6.86668770 Montenegrin
6.86988355 Moldova_average
7.02091162 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.02678447 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.03856519 Romania_Transylvania
Target: Dalmatia
Distance: 1.4157% / 1.41568822 | R2P
86.4 Croat_South
13.6 Southwest_French
Interesting breakdown in 2way mode, he gets modeled as south Croat average + SW French which should be proxy for extra Illyrian substrate. I noticed we often get Basque like shift in models which are remnants of pre-Roman Illyrian DNA.
Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 3.31 Pct
Siberian 0.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 29.22 Pct
North_European40.44 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Dalmatia
3.04379697 Serb
4.51339119 Croat_South
4.55647890 Bosnian
4.91260623 Moldovan_Central
5.29315596 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.84528015 Montenegrin
6.02632558 Moldovan_North
6.49629895 Croat
7.50758283 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.71866569 Hungarian
7.75797010 Slovenian
8.09764163 Romanian
8.59881387 Austrian_Tyrol
8.60903014 Hungarian_Alföld
8.93026315 Bulgarian_West
8.99492079 Moldovan_South
9.31983369 Hungarian_North
10.03255202 Bavarian_German
10.34927051 Pomak_Bulgaria
10.36931049 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
10.67235213 Bulgarian_Central
10.76244861 Swiss_French
11.50204764 Macedonian_Polog
11.92260458 Macedonian_East
12.26262615 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
Target: Dalmatia
Distance: 2.0671% / 2.06710397 | R2P
62.2 Macedonian_East
37.8 Polish
CommonSense
11-07-2021, 01:41 PM
Can you make an average for Dalmatian islanders? It doesn't necessarily have to be incorporated into vahaduo, I'm just curious to see what it looks like because I don't think they're as Slavic as you originally thought they might be.
Can you make an average for Dalmatian islanders? It doesn't necessarily have to be incorporated into vahaduo, I'm just curious to see what it looks like because I don't think they're as Slavic as you originally thought they might be.
Well, unfortunately these results I posted are just halfies just like me and my parents (my parents are both half Islanders), and I don't have any except that man from Ugljan and his family you and Vbn found.
But, if I judge based on what I see here and general tendencies, I'd say Islanders tend to have western shift.
Both me and my parents also get decent north Atlantic and west Med, and modeled as part SW French/Basque/Iberian in Vahaduo.
In my opinion Islands have moderate Slavic input, less than BiH or Slavonia for example, but they have more preserved Illyrian ancestry than others do. And less Roman.
If I compare my family results and these, our pre-Slavic part looks more SW European and less East Med/Imperial Roman shifted than those on mainland do.
And we are less Slavic on average as well, but our-pre Slavic part is quite less exotic than theirs.
In Herzegovina for example I notice Croats often get high Slavic, but their pre-Slavic is Cypriot/east Med shifted. Dalmatian Islands seem less Slavic and less Roman, in short more Paleo-Balkan and Illyrian and unchanged than others.
Half Dalmatian, half Bosnian Croat. Female of Nordic phenotype.
MyHeritage results:
84.2% Balkan
9.6% English
6.2% Finnish
Baltic: 30.97
North_Atlantic: 29.54
West_Med: 13.98
East_Med: 9.7
West_Asian: 9.3
Red_Sea: 2.43
South_Asian: 2.28
Siberian: 1.15
Oceanian: 0.54
Amerindian: 0.1
Ivana,29.54,30.97,13.98,9.3,9.7,2.43,2.28,0,1.15,0 .1,0.54,0,0
Distance to: Ivana
3.51806765 Hungarian
3.57323383 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.81451176 Hungarian_Alföld
4.07363474 Csángó-Ceangău
4.54997802 Croat
4.70812064 Croat_North
4.86543934 Croat_West
4.93584846 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.40903873 Slovenian
5.83439800 Croat_East
5.91787124 Hungarian_North
5.94817619 Croat_South
6.45330148 Bosniak_Bosnia
6.86743766 Bosniak
6.87483091 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.93002164 Romania_Maramures
7.10866373 Moldova_North
7.34752339 Serb_Bosnia
7.57778992 Slovak
7.77678597 Serb_Serbia_West
7.81071060 Moldova_Centre
7.84246772 Poland_Lemko
7.88658354 Serb_Croatia
8.18510843 Moldova_average
8.33962229 Ukrainian_Carpathian
Target: Ivana
Distance: 1.4399% / 1.43987938 | R2P
95.3 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.7 Balochi
with model I made for her.
Target: Ivana
Distance: 2.9365% / 2.93650867
40.3 Early_Slavic
32.7 Romanized_Paleo_Balkan
11.6 Early_Germanic
10.1 Celtic
5.3 Turkic_steppe
CommonSense
11-22-2021, 04:44 PM
From Lika. Both parents have the same surname and are relatively close relatives. I noticed this is common among Croats from that area :D
Kit XP3841233
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35
2 North_Atlantic 27.83
3 West_Med 14.88
4 East_Med 11.03
5 West_Asian 7.85
6 Red_Sea 1.6
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 Oceanian 0.65
9 East_Asian 0.17
10 Sub-Saharan 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.08
2 Moldavian 4.08
3 Hungarian 5.55
4 Serbian 8.2
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.46
6 South_Polish 8.9
7 Ukrainian 9.64
8 Austrian 9.73
9 East_German 9.75
10 Romanian 12.07
11 Polish 12.34
12 Southwest_Russian 13.41
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.72
14 Bulgarian 14.22
15 Russian_Smolensk 14.72
16 Estonian_Polish 15.27
17 Belorussian 15.8
18 West_German 17.52
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.75
20 Kargopol_Russian 17.78
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.6% Croatian + 16.4% Serbian @ 1.34
2 94.4% Croatian + 5.6% Tuscan @ 1.38
3 94.1% Croatian + 5.9% North_Italian @ 1.44
4 95.2% Croatian + 4.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.48
5 95.4% Croatian + 4.6% West_Sicilian @ 1.48
6 96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Italian_Jewish @ 1.48
7 89.2% Croatian + 10.8% Romanian @ 1.5
8 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.52
9 91% Croatian + 9% Bulgarian @ 1.55
10 96.1% Croatian + 3.9% South_Italian @ 1.55
11 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Ashkenazi @ 1.55
12 94.3% Croatian + 5.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.56
13 95.6% Croatian + 4.4% Central_Greek @ 1.56
14 96.6% Croatian + 3.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.57
15 96.9% Croatian + 3.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.58
16 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% East_Sicilian @ 1.58
17 95.4% Croatian + 4.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.59
18 95.4% Croatian + 4.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.6
19 95% Croatian + 5% Portuguese @ 1.61
20 97% Croatian + 3% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.61
Croatian woman from overseas, almost certainly from Island of Loinj in western Croatia.
North_Atlantic 30.99 Pct
Baltic 29.35 Pct
West_Med 17 Pct
West_Asian 8.53 Pct
East_Med 8.46 Pct
Red_Sea 2.28 Pct
South_Asian 2.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.34 Pct
Gedrosia 6.45 Pct
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Northwest_African 0.83 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.88 Pct
North_European 42.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.72 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.23 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.09 Pct
Posting Perunovsin and my friend's results (K13+K12b) for @MoroLP, who's reading the thread, in case he missed separate threads about their results.
To be included into Croat_North average:
Perunovsin,30.07,35.38,15.5,6.58,6.4,2.45,1.22,0,0 .18,1.52,0,0,0.71
To be included into Croat_West average:
Stearsolina_best_friend,31.87,33.69,12.89,9.08,10. 92,0.19,0,0.42,0,0.4,0.53,0,0
Their K12b results:
Perunovisin,3.6,0.82,0.63,0.2,26.76,47.57,1.53,0,3 .66,0,14.91,0.31
Stearsolina_best_friend,5.26,0,0,0.32,27.98,47.58, 0,0,1.79,0,17.08,0
Perunovsin (E-V13) is northern Croat, my friend (R-Z280) is western Croat.
New sample to be included into Croat_West average, another friend of mine, native of Grobnik in hrvatsko Primorje (R-U152)
his more specific subclade: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y4353/
K13:
Grobnik,26.97,34.66,12.89,7.47,13.68,1.64,0.15,0,2 .32,0,0.22,0,0
https://i.imgur.com/5nVchNd.png?1
K12b:
Grobnik,5.01,1.47,2.49,0,25.74,43.41,0.33,0,3.09,0 ,18.46,0
https://i.imgur.com/NoC9ura.png
Posting Perunovsin and my friend's results (K13+K12b) for @MoroLP, who's reading the thread, in case he missed separate threads about their results.
To be included into Croat_North average:
Perunovsin,30.07,35.38,15.5,6.58,6.4,2.45,1.22,0,0 .18,1.52,0,0,0.71
To be included into Croat_West average:
Stearsolina_best_friend,31.87,33.69,12.89,9.08,10. 92,0.19,0,0.42,0,0.4,0.53,0,0
Their K12b results:
Perunovisin,3.6,0.82,0.63,0.2,26.76,47.57,1.53,0,3 .66,0,14.91,0.31
Stearsolina_best_friend,5.26,0,0,0.32,27.98,47.58, 0,0,1.79,0,17.08,0
Perunovsin (E-V13) is northern Croat, my friend (R-Z280) is western Croat.
and just in case someone (like Moro) wondering about their more specific origins, Perunovsin is from Zagorje/Podravina and my best friend from Primorje (Brgud + Lošinj) to be exact.
Just mentioning in case Moro is also making smaller regional averages below macro level.
I was lucky to find 3 more samples for Croat_West average, with family tress and all :)
First two are also from Grobnik in hrvatsko Primorje (Grobnik means area in suburbs of Rijeka that include many settlements, not just town of Grobnik, and they are located on plain in foothills of Grobnik alps as we call them)
Crazy thing is that these 2 samples from Grobnik have near identical results like my friend from same place posted above! :D
these two are 1-2 cousins and from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cavle
Croats in Čavle are speakers of north chakavian dialect (which is ekavian)
Sample no.1
North_Atlantic 26.25 Pct
Baltic 33.85 Pct
West_Med 13.49 Pct
West_Asian 10.17 Pct
East_Med 11.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.58 Pct
South_Asian 1.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.32 Pct
Oceanian 0.83 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.47 Pc
Sample no. 2
North_Atlantic 26.02 Pct
Baltic 34.26 Pct
West_Med 13.4 Pct
West_Asian 7.99 Pct
East_Med 13.78 Pct
Red_Sea 1.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.44 Pct
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.58 Pct
Northeast_African 0.32 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Čavle1,26.25,33.85,13.49,10.17,11.78,0.58,1.26,0,0 ,1.32,0.83,0,0.47
Čavle2,26.02,34.26,13.4,7.99,13.78,1.83,0.3,0,1.44 ,0.06,0.58,0.32,0
Extra: their Dodecad K12b
1)
Gedrosia 7.61 Pct
Siberian 1.03 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.44 Pct
North_European 43.34 Pct
South_Asian 0.7 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.45 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.09 Pct
2)
Gedrosia 4.77 Pct
Siberian 0.56 Pct
Northwest_African 0.19 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.61 Pct
North_European 45.86 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.25 Pct
East_Asian 0.61 Pct
Caucasus 18.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Third sample for Croat_West average for today - a woman from Gorski kotar (Lokve)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokve,_Croatia
Croats in Lokve are speakers of goranski sub-dialect of Kajkavian.
North_Atlantic 31.16 Pct
Baltic 34.81 Pct
West_Med 13.72 Pct
West_Asian 6.37 Pct
East_Med 10.71 Pct
Red_Sea 0.08 Pct
South_Asian 2.23 Pct
East_Asian 0.63 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Lokve,31.16,34.81,13.72,6.37,10.71,0.08,2.23,0.63, 0,0.28,0,0,0
Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 5.56 Pct
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.35 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.58 Pct
North_European 45.75 Pct
South_Asian 0.5 Pct
East_African 0.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.38 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.08 Pct
MoroLP
12-07-2021, 12:27 PM
These weeks in my research found some very interesting and important scientific literature and updated my blog. See especially article's chapter 3.3 (https://southslavsdna.blogspot.com/2019/04/) citations, information, maps, and latest map that made on the migration of the Slavs: https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjxT9LCV_4mq7o2RuB-DBmBh2bCkPLDSsacSBBRKrrEd-UGdD-BRXyq7YGg_ygbmisu06p_HD5f4hQbljsYMeOcgUpwL-wbPRUsph6KXhKIXvKBjgLTXph2IDG0YQ_wk2Dq-_-HuizdkHfHM5Xk3kfTETfncyc7i747TuBQ7HSW_QWuCWQiJcACO qZyHA=s923
For interactive (https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Migration-of-the-Slavs/lZkPeMQ9Yw) on SM.
I will also need to do an update on the I-PH908 subclades migration article, but prior to that will make the update of Croatian atDNA averages. It will be this week :)
These weeks in my research found some very interesting and important scientific literature and updated my blog. See especially article's chapter 3.3 (https://southslavsdna.blogspot.com/2019/04/) citations, information, maps, and latest map that made on the migration of the Slavs (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjxT9LCV_4mq7o2RuB-DBmBh2bCkPLDSsacSBBRKrrEd-UGdD-BRXyq7YGg_ygbmisu06p_HD5f4hQbljsYMeOcgUpwL-wbPRUsph6KXhKIXvKBjgLTXph2IDG0YQ_wk2Dq-_-HuizdkHfHM5Xk3kfTETfncyc7i747TuBQ7HSW_QWuCWQiJcACO qZyHA=s923) (interactive (https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/Migration-of-the-Slavs/lZkPeMQ9Yw) on SM).
I will also need to do an update on the I-PH908 subclades migration article, but prior to that will make the update of Croatian atDNA averages. It will be this week :)
:thumbs: :thumbs:
Impressive work!!
Primorje Croat From Dražice near Rijeka (they are chakavians) :
https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dra%C5%BEice
North_Atlantic 28.6 Pct
Baltic 33.95 Pct
West_Med 13.4 Pct
West_Asian 10.09 Pct
East_Med 9.92 Pct
Red_Sea 1.24 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.07 Pct
Dražice,28.6,33.95,13.4,10.09,9.92,1.24,0,1.64,0.8 ,0,0.28,0,0.07
K12b:
Gedrosia 5.87 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.8 Pct
North_European 44.97 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.61 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.39 Pct
East_Asian 1.31 Pct
Caucasus 16.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
another sample from Grobnik area (Grobnik-Čavle). Leto helped me find her! There are actually really many tested from this area and they all match each other.
Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 30.97 Pct
Baltic 31.74 Pct
West_Med 17.94 Pct
West_Asian 6.62 Pct
East_Med 9.47 Pct
Red_Sea 1.06 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.33 Pct
Amerindian 0.29 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.56 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Grobnik,30.97,31.74,17.94,6.62,9.47,1.06,0,0,1.33, 0.29,0,0.56,0
Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 3.96 Pct
Siberian 1.32 Pct
Northwest_African 1.89 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 30.16 Pct
North_European 44.39 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.39 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Slavonian Croat with gedcom! (origins from villages around Osijek and Naice)
North_Atlantic 29.82 Pct
Baltic 33.57 Pct
West_Med 12.9 Pct
West_Asian 9.2 Pct
East_Med 10.63 Pct
Red_Sea 1.57 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.71 Pct
Amerindian 1.53 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct
East_Slavonia,29.82,33.57,12.9,9.2,10.63,1.57,0,0, 0.71,1.53,0,0,0.06
Gedrosia 4.43 Pct
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Northwest_African 0.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.54 Pct
North_European 46.14 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.09 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
something new for the New Year to spice up the topic!
FTDNA results of my friend who is 3/4 from Primorje (Crikvenica, Grobnik, Krasica) and 1/4 from Dalmatia (Murter Island)
https://i.imgur.com/W7OIwp4.png
https://i.imgur.com/xjJFbtm.png
I've posted his gedmatch before but nevermind :P
https://i.imgur.com/DK1jDDx.png
G25:
Distance to: R_scaled
0.03180808 Slovenian
0.03261393 Bosnian
0.03365310 Croatian
0.03705061 Moldovan
0.03746087 Serbian
0.03778498 Hungarian
0.03975545 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03996074 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.04208182 Montenegrin
0.04318115 Austrian
0.04370848 German_East
0.04407279 Czech
0.04695066 Romanian
0.04955155 Macedonian
0.05160988 Moldovan_o
0.05289786 Slovakian
0.05292195 German
0.05302044 Polish
0.05358963 Bulgarian
0.05440272 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.05501125 French_Alsace
0.05580058 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.05590556 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.05638260 Russian_Belgorod
0.05759187 Ukrainian_Rivne
Target: R_scaled
Distance: 2.7908% / 0.02790825 | R2P
70.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
30.0 Greek_Macedonia
Target: R_scaled
Distance: 2.1847% / 0.02184716
50.2 (Balto-)Slavic
28.6 Graeco-Roman
16.0 Germanic
5.2 Balkan
Plus: one of the assumedly Grobnik kits I posted that were sent to me is half Dalmatian and I even had it in old spreadsheet made by Vbn!
Slavonian was there too, and it has some colonist Lika roots on one lineage but as far as I checked gedcom, it's pretty far back and grandparents are all Slavonian born.
Let's hope for more samples (ancient & modern) in new 2022! :angel:
All the best!
Flashball
01-02-2022, 03:31 AM
Are there any Croatians who have Global 25 results?
I find gedmatch too outdated, I would like people to share their results on the Global 25 more with ancestral populations (without deleting certain prehistoric populations like Tepecik).
On Anthrogenica, people are posting more their Global 25 results.
new sample for north Croat average!
This is result of wife of genetic enthusiast Nicola Capelli, and all her grand-parents are natives of north-western Croatia (got it confirmed)
North_Atlantic 32.54 Pct
Baltic 33.63 Pct
West_Med 14.34 Pct
West_Asian 6.01 Pct
East_Med 9.51 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.55 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.54 Pct
Oceanian 1.3 Pct
Northeast_African 0.58 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Croat_Varaždin,32.54,33.63,14.34,6.01,9.51,0,0,0.5 5,0,1.54,1.3,0.58,0
Distance to: Croat_Varaždin
2.40041663 Slovenian
3.30522314 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.51629066 Croat_North
3.69205905 Hungarian
3.79919728 Hungarian_North
4.35651237 Hungarian_Alföld
4.87526410 Slovak
5.31154403 Czech
5.88299244 Croat
6.46981453 German_East
6.54285870 Croat_West
6.59463418 Lemko_Poland
6.79128118 Austrian
7.20324233 Croat_East
8.07772245 Csángó-Ceangău
8.11836190 Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.20607092 Bosniak
8.33080428 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.44421103 Croat_South
8.75154843 Ukrainian_Galicia
9.36394148 Sorb
10.07401608 Polish_South
10.08351129 Moldovan_North
10.27261408 Serb_Republika_Srpska
10.33105029 Romanian_North-Moldavia
Gedrosia 6.59 Pct
Siberian 0.47 Pct
Northwest_African 0.27 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.35 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.94 Pct
North_European 46.3 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.78 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 13.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Croat_Varaždin,6.59,0.47,0.27,0.35,28.94,46.3,0,0, 2.78,0.99,13.31,0
Distance to: Croat_Varaždin
2.66214199 Hungarian_Alföld
3.06122524 Hungarian_North
3.09609431 Hungarian
3.20474648 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.37714376 Slovenian
3.75023999 Czech
5.00329891 Slovak
5.28142973 Croat
6.12066173 German
6.43826063 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
7.14359153 Croat_South
7.50657712 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.50841348 Sorb_Lusatia
8.56735082 Bosnian
9.17758683 German_Northwest
9.19202916 Moldovan_North
9.91003027 Dutch
10.08248481 German_Bavaria
10.54927012 Belgian
11.12483258 Moldovan_Central
11.14704445 Swedish
11.46808179 Danish
11.53027753 Serb
11.53475184 Polish
11.70887697 Norwegian
Results of full Croat whose ancestry is 1/2 Herzegovina, 1/4 Bosnia, 1/4 Lika. His haplogroup is I2-dinaric.
MyHeritage results:
Balkan 62.5%
Eastern European 26.4%
Iberian 7.9%
Ashkenazi 3.2%
Eurogenes K13
North_Atlantic 27.61 Pct
Baltic 30.4 Pct
West_Med 14.81 Pct
West_Asian 9.64 Pct
East_Med 13.71 Pct
Red_Sea 0.34 Pct
South_Asian 1.44 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.96 Pct
Amerindian 0.25 Pct
Oceanian 0.15 Pct
Northeast_African 0.35 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct
Distance to: K
3.00755715 Croat_South
3.03863456 Croat_West
3.28377831 Romanian_Maramureș
3.29575485 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
3.35331180 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.73147424 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.83397966 Serb_Croatia
3.87085262 Csángó-Ceangău
3.91678440 Serb_West
4.07805101 Croat
4.51304775 Serb
4.55067028 Moldovan_Central
4.82982401 Moldovan
4.90896119 Serb_Central
5.01981075 Serb_Vojvodina
5.06987179 Croat_East
5.24023854 Hungarian_Alföld
5.48592745 Romanian_Crișana
5.49072855 Moldovan_North
5.51322954 Bosniak
5.63371991 Hungarian
6.02842434 Serb_Herzegovina
6.26086256 Serb_South
6.36622337 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.62188795 Croat_North
Target: K
Distance: 1.6241% / 1.62413025 | R2P
75.3 Romanian_Crișana
24.7 German_West_Prussia
Target: K
Distance: 1.3230% / 1.32300605 | ADC: 0.25x RC
80.6 Croat_West
8.7 Romanian_Crișana
4.6 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
4.0 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
1.6 Serb_West
0.5 Tabasaran
Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 4.04 Pct
Siberian 0.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.99 Pct
North_European 44.03 Pct
South_Asian 0.18 Pct
East_African 0.22 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.27 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.42 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.38 Pct
Distance to: K
1.79122863 Bosnian
2.03329781 Croat_South
2.32465051 Moldovan_North
3.53707506 Croat
4.50252152 Moldovan_Central
5.42893175 Serb
5.89076396 Slovenian
6.12022875 Hungarian
6.20933169 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.21852876 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.36099049 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
6.65360804 Hungarian_North
6.66448798 Hungarian_Alföld
9.12817068 Montenegrin
9.83766232 Slovak
10.33750937 Czech
11.00045454 Romanian
11.59406745 Moldovan_South
11.66481033 Bulgarian_West
12.63848883 Pomak_Bulgaria
12.74538348 Austrian_Tyrol
12.77313979 German_Bavaria
13.24165775 Bulgarian_Central
14.07159906 Sorb_Lusatia
14.26237708 Pomak_Greece
Target: K
Distance: 0.8343% / 0.83426622 | R2P
52.4 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
47.6 Polish_Mazovia
Target: K
Distance: 1.4283% / 1.42832855 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.0 Croat_South
34.0 Bosnian
25.4 Moldovan_North
2.6 Russian_Voronezh
Are there any Croatians who have Global 25 results?
I find gedmatch too outdated, I would like people to share their results on the Global 25 more with ancestral populations (without deleting certain prehistoric populations like Tepecik).
On Anthrogenica, people are posting more their Global 25 results.
Yes, there are, but very few people use G25 compared to gedmatch because it's not free and costs not that little. But I can post some Croatian users G25 coords.
Btw, Vahaduo isn't outdated, it's light years ahead of G25 for modern populations. Much superior and constantly updated with reliable samples.
G25 is very good for ancient pops though.
G25 coords of 6 Croatians I've collected (non academic)
Croatian1,0.117238,0.14319,0.040729,0.0 20349,0.028005,0.006693,0.0094,0.013153,0.002045,-0.00328,-0.004222,-0.011989,0.008176,0.018717,-0.014794,0.009281,0.022687,0.000887,0.003771,0.012 131,-0.010357,0.005317,0.007518,0.003494,-0.000479
Croatian2,0.126344,0.142174,0.04978,0.020349,0 .030159,0.005857,0.005405,0.005538,0.000614,-0.00492,-0.002111,-0.005545,0.007284,0.01445,-0.019001,0,0.004694,0.000253,0.00817,-0.001751,-0.009234,0.000495,0.002711,0.006386,0.001796
Croatian3,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0 .026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239
Croatian4,0.12862,0.128972,0.057699,0.04522,0.0403 15,0.011435,0.004465,0.000923,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.006008,-0.007643,0.007136,0.008533,-0.003257,0.000663,0.000391,0.000633,-0.001383,-0.007504,-0.005865,0.005812,0.0053,0.001084,0.002874
Croatian5,0.132035,0.139128,0.049403,0.029393,0.03 6622,0.005578,0.00799,0.008077,-0.00225,0.000364,0.00341,-0.015436,0.002973,0.028901,-0.013165,-0.010209,-0.011213,-0.004181,0.009804,0.008879,-0.006863,-0.000866,0,0.000482,-0.003832
Croatian6,0.134311,0.127957,0.060339,0.044574,0.03 4468,0.018128,0.004935,0.004384,0.001636,-0.008747,-0.003735,-0.001948,0.006244,0.015551,-0.0057,-0.008353,-0.006128,-0.00152,0.007668,0.002751,-0.002121,0,0.002095,-0.00012,-0.000958
Target: Croatian1
Distance: 2.7073% / 0.02707260
54.2 Slavic
45.8 Pre-Slavic_Balkan
Target: Croatian2
Distance: 1.7278% / 0.01727809
51.6 Slavic
44.8 Pre-Slavic_Balkan
3.6 Celtic
Target: Croatian3
Distance: 2.0696% / 0.02069586
57.2 Slavic
32.4 Pre-Slavic_Balkan
10.4 Celtic
Target: Croatian4
Distance: 1.6693% / 0.01669342
54.2 Slavic
24.8 Germanic
18.0 Pre-Slavic_Balkan
3.0 Celtic
Target: Croatian5
Distance: 2.6252% / 0.02625192
55.0 Slavic
45.0 Pre-Slavic_Balkan
Target: Croatian6
Distance: 1.2727% / 0.01272746
62.0 Slavic
21.2 Pre-Slavic_Balkan
12.0 Germanic
4.8 Celtic
Ajeje Brazorf
01-09-2022, 08:10 PM
G25 coords of 6 Croatians I've collected (non academic)
Croatian1,0.117238,0.14319,0.040729,0.0 20349,0.028005,0.006693,0.0094,0.013153,0.002045,-0.00328,-0.004222,-0.011989,0.008176,0.018717,-0.014794,0.009281,0.022687,0.000887,0.003771,0.012 131,-0.010357,0.005317,0.007518,0.003494,-0.000479
Croatian2,0.126344,0.142174,0.04978,0.020349,0 .030159,0.005857,0.005405,0.005538,0.000614,-0.00492,-0.002111,-0.005545,0.007284,0.01445,-0.019001,0,0.004694,0.000253,0.00817,-0.001751,-0.009234,0.000495,0.002711,0.006386,0.001796
Croatian3,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0 .026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239
Croatian4,0.12862,0.128972,0.057699,0.04522,0.0403 15,0.011435,0.004465,0.000923,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.006008,-0.007643,0.007136,0.008533,-0.003257,0.000663,0.000391,0.000633,-0.001383,-0.007504,-0.005865,0.005812,0.0053,0.001084,0.002874
Croatian5,0.132035,0.139128,0.049403,0.029393,0.03 6622,0.005578,0.00799,0.008077,-0.00225,0.000364,0.00341,-0.015436,0.002973,0.028901,-0.013165,-0.010209,-0.011213,-0.004181,0.009804,0.008879,-0.006863,-0.000866,0,0.000482,-0.003832
Croatian6,0.134311,0.127957,0.060339,0.044574,0.03 4468,0.018128,0.004935,0.004384,0.001636,-0.008747,-0.003735,-0.001948,0.006244,0.015551,-0.0057,-0.008353,-0.006128,-0.00152,0.007668,0.002751,-0.002121,0,0.002095,-0.00012,-0.000958
Could you please specify where the samples are coming from? Croatian3 is you, Croatian6 is ph2ter, right?
Ajeje Brazorf
01-09-2022, 08:11 PM
G25 coords of 6 Croatians I've collected (non academic)
Croatian1,0.117238,0.14319,0.040729,0.0 20349,0.028005,0.006693,0.0094,0.013153,0.002045,-0.00328,-0.004222,-0.011989,0.008176,0.018717,-0.014794,0.009281,0.022687,0.000887,0.003771,0.012 131,-0.010357,0.005317,0.007518,0.003494,-0.000479
Croatian2,0.126344,0.142174,0.04978,0.020349,0 .030159,0.005857,0.005405,0.005538,0.000614,-0.00492,-0.002111,-0.005545,0.007284,0.01445,-0.019001,0,0.004694,0.000253,0.00817,-0.001751,-0.009234,0.000495,0.002711,0.006386,0.001796
Croatian3,0.132035,0.132019,0.055437,0 .026809 ,0.036007,0.014223,0.012456,0.005538,-0.002045,-0.005285,-0.006171,0.001199,-0.000297,0.010872,-0.008822,0.012463,0.025034,0.001647,0.007793,0.002 751,0.000125,-0.005688,0.002218,-0.009519,-0.000239
Croatian4,0.12862,0.128972,0.057699,0.04522,0.0403 15,0.011435,0.004465,0.000923,0.001227,-0.01221,-0.006008,-0.007643,0.007136,0.008533,-0.003257,0.000663,0.000391,0.000633,-0.001383,-0.007504,-0.005865,0.005812,0.0053,0.001084,0.002874
Croatian5,0.132035,0.139128,0.049403,0.029393,0.03 6622,0.005578,0.00799,0.008077,-0.00225,0.000364,0.00341,-0.015436,0.002973,0.028901,-0.013165,-0.010209,-0.011213,-0.004181,0.009804,0.008879,-0.006863,-0.000866,0,0.000482,-0.003832
Croatian6,0.134311,0.127957,0.060339,0.044574,0.03 4468,0.018128,0.004935,0.004384,0.001636,-0.008747,-0.003735,-0.001948,0.006244,0.015551,-0.0057,-0.008353,-0.006128,-0.00152,0.007668,0.002751,-0.002121,0,0.002095,-0.00012,-0.000958
Could you please specify where the samples are coming from? Croatian3 is you, Croatian6 is ph2ter, right?
Could you please specify where the samples are coming from? Croatian3 is you, Croatian6 is ph2ter, right?
Yes :)
Croatian 1&2 is father of user Ljubic and him (Croats from Bosnia, with some other admixtures like Serb, Czech-German and Bulgarian, not sure is it trough Ljubic's dad or mother tho)
Croat 4 is a northern Croat, wife of Nicola Capelli and Croat 5 is my friend who is Adriatic Croat, Kvarner + Dalmatia. I've posted both of their results above on this page.
Ajeje Brazorf
01-09-2022, 09:00 PM
Yes :)
Croatian 1&2 is father of user Ljubic and him (Croats from Bosnia, with some other admixtures like Serb, Czech-German and Bulgarian, not sure is it trough Ljubic's dad or mother tho)
Croat 4 is a northern Croat, wife of Nicola Capelli and Croat 5 is my friend who is Adriatic Croat, Kvarner + Dalmatia. I've posted both of their results above on this page.
Thanks a lot! One last question: what do you think about the Croatian average on Global25?
Average of the 6 users
Croatian_New,0.1284305,0.135573333,0.052231167,0.0 31115667,0.034262667,0.010319,0.007441833,0.006268 833,0.0002045,-0.005679667,-0.0031395,-0.006893667,0.005252667,0.016170667,-0.010789833,0.000640833,0.005910833,-0.000380167,0.0059705,0.002876167,-0.005719167,0.000845,0.003307,0.000301167,-0.000139667
PCA
https://i.imgur.com/sRKxYyC.png
Thanks a lot! One last question: what do you think about the Croatian average on Global25?
Average of the 6 users
Croatian_New,0.1284305,0.135573333,0.052231167,0.0 31115667,0.034262667,0.010319,0.007441833,0.006268 833,0.0002045,-0.005679667,-0.0031395,-0.006893667,0.005252667,0.016170667,-0.010789833,0.000640833,0.005910833,-0.000380167,0.0059705,0.002876167,-0.005719167,0.000845,0.003307,0.000301167,-0.000139667
PCA
https://i.imgur.com/sRKxYyC.png
Thank you very much for making the average!! These 2 northern Croats are really West Slavic like compared to the rest. G25 average is academic from Zagreb (central-NW Croatia), but it is not really representative for some Croatian regions, especially not for the south (south Croats are more like Bosnian avg). Funny enough new average you made is kind of similar to one on G25 but more eastern.
It's reasonable looking for Zagreb city, but academic averages tend to be unreliable.
My parents G25 coords
Feiichy_Mother_scaled,0.127482,0.13405,0.046763,0. 0261 63,0.029236,0.015897,0.011045,0.004615,0.005522,-0.001276,-0.000812,-0.001649,-0.002379,0.01445,-0.009229,0.016971,0.023991,-0.000127,0.001257,0.006878,-0.005865,-0.010387,-0.000246,-0.001807,0.000359
Feiichy_Father_scaled,0.12862,0.127957,0.058077,0. 0274 55,0.036007,0.017012,0.00564,0.001846,0.00225,-0.005467,-0.005034,-0.001349,0.0055,0.008533,-0.013843,0.009944,0.022035,-0.006461,0.003897,-0.002001,0.004118,-0.002968,0.009737,-0.003133,-0.003353
Target: Feiichy_Mother
Distance: 4.3867% / 0.04386733
44.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
44.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.0 WHG
Target: Feiichy_Father
Distance: 4.7271% / 0.04727055
44.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.4 TUR_Barcin_N
12.4 WHG
0.8 Han
I made a model for my family considering Croat ethnogenesis. Bulgarian IA was used for Romanized Balkan because it plots in-between Iron Age Croatia and Imperial Romans. Very satisfied with the results, looks very fitting!
Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe:Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_ste ppe,0.1115467,0.0473917,0.0349467,0.065246,-0.0283642,0.0267272,3.92e-05,0.001,-0.0299627,-0.036599,-0.0038432,-0.003072,-0.003419,-0.025162,0.0197472,0.0128393,-0.0027163,-0.0023648,-0.0046928,0.001709,-0.0106478,0.0048843,0.0001437,0.0066473,0.0030537
Romanized_Balkan:BGR_IA_I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0. 007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Early_Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic,0.1301377,0.130326 ,0.0642363,0.0531873,0.0370327,0.0162687,0.0073633 ,0.0052307,-0.001227,0.0023087,-0.0040053,0.0096913,-0.017344,-0.009725,0.0237963,0.0143197,0.0031727,0.0040117,0 .003855,0.004919,0.0058647,0.004493,-0.002999,0.014058,-0.0012773
Early_Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941 ,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Early_Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA,0.1271973,0.1264 338,0.0753298,0.072029,0.0472395,0.0219628,0.01128 07,0.011134,0.0018918,-0.0244652,-0.0022735,-0.0081302,0.0150892,0.0187855,-0.011061,0.0081875,0.011278,-0.000792,0.0047768,0.0055652,-0.0065198,-0.0046368,0.0053922,-0.0021688,0.002455
Target: Feiichy_Father
Distance: 2.3526% / 0.02352577
64.8 Early_Slavic
30.2 Romanized_Balkan
5.0 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
Target: Feiichy_Mother
Distance: 2.7650% / 0.02765024
56.4 Early_Slavic
34.6 Romanized_Balkan
5.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
3.4 Early_Germanic
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 2.4780% / 0.02478030
60.0 Early_Slavic
30.8 Romanized_Balkan
6.6 Early_Germanic
2.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
Ayetooey
01-11-2022, 03:20 PM
Do you plan on doing detailed Croatian regional averages similar to your work on the German ones? Would be interesting to seeing more specific breakdowns.
Do you plan on doing detailed Croatian regional averages similar to your work on the German ones? Would be interesting to seeing more specific breakdowns.
Oh yes :) The updates are near ready, they should have been released before new Year even but Moro was waiting for few more samples. They should be this month. Sample size is now very large and I suggested him to return to more specifict breakdown than just north, south etc. Now we have enough samples for that, like Dalmatia, Herzegovina, Zagorje etc.
I hope he will do that. Vbn also returned to smaller regions with Serb averages.
For example, Istria is significantly more southern shifted than Primorje-Gorski kotar, so by lumping them in Croatia West for example you get mid point that is not representive for either.
I hope he opts for more specific breakdowns.
Hrvoje/Nato G25 coords!
Hrvoje_scaled,0.12862,0.13405,0.050911,0.037145,0. 033852,0.014502,-0.001175,0.004615,-0.006749,-0.009841,-0.001137,-0.002098,-0.002527,0.008945,-0.002579,-0.002254,0.002608,0.000633,0.007165,0.006878,-0.001373,0.002844,-0.000493,-0.000602,0.001796
Target: Hrvoje
Distance: 3.6654% / 0.0366544
49.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.8 TUR_Barcin_N
11.0 WHG
Target: Hrvoje
Distance: 1.9958% / 0.01995788
49.6 Early_Slavic
24.0 Romanized_Balkan
19.0 Early_Germanic
7.4 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
compared run with people from dinaric and panonnian zone:
Target: Bosnian_Croat1
Distance: 3.2413% / 0.03241323
58.2 Early_Slavic
39.8 Romanized_Balkan
2.0 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
Target: Bosnian_Croat2
Distance: 1.8334% / 0.01833356
59.4 Early_Slavic
39.2 Romanized_Balkan
1.4 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
Target: North_Croat1
Distance: 2.0195% / 0.02019547
63.0 Early_Slavic
20.2 Romanized_Balkan
10.2 Early_Germanic
6.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
Target: North_Croat2
Distance: 2.0406% / 0.02040573
65.0 Early_Slavic
18.0 Romanized_Balkan
12.2 Early_Germanic
4.8 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
I've sent this kit to Stearsolina, she said he is likely a Croat but may as well be a Serb
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.89
2 North_Atlantic 27.18
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 10.25
5 West_Asian 8.48
6 Red_Sea 2.28
7 East_Asian 1.23
8 Siberian 0.9
9 Amerindian 0.72
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 Sub-Saharan 0.2
12 Northeast_African 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.59
2 Croatian 4.4
3 Hungarian 5.86
4 Serbian 6.28
5 Austrian 9.42
6 East_German 10.01
7 Romanian 10.05
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.67
9 South_Polish 11.43
10 Ukrainian 12.07
11 Bulgarian 12.38
12 Polish 14.87
13 Southwest_Russian 16
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.24
15 West_German 16.47
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.31
17 South_Dutch 17.75
18 Estonian_Polish 17.9
19 Belorussian 18.52
20 French 19.05
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% French @ 1.76
2 69.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.5% Tuscan @ 1.81
3 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Southwest_French @ 1.83
4 92.4% Moldavian + 7.6% French_Basque @ 1.83
5 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.86
6 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.88
7 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.9
8 84.5% Croatian + 15.5% North_Italian @ 1.92
9 88.7% Moldavian + 11.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.93
10 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Tuscan @ 1.96
11 85.5% Moldavian + 14.5% South_Dutch @ 1.97
12 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.97
13 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.98
14 89.6% Moldavian + 10.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.01
15 88.6% Moldavian + 11.4% Portuguese @ 2.02
16 89.6% Moldavian + 10.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.06
17 84.8% Moldavian + 15.2% West_German @ 2.08
18 89.5% Moldavian + 10.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.11
19 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Southwest_English @ 2.13
20 76.1% Moldavian + 23.9% Austrian @ 2.15
This is now confirmed Croat from central Istria, čakavian speaker!
17571imre
01-13-2022, 12:10 AM
I made a model for my family considering Croat ethnogenesis. Bulgarian IA was used for Romanized Balkan because it plots in-between Iron Age Croatia and Imperial Romans. Very satisfied with the results, looks very fitting!
Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe:Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_ste ppe,0.1115467,0.0473917,0.0349467,0.065246,-0.0283642,0.0267272,3.92e-05,0.001,-0.0299627,-0.036599,-0.0038432,-0.003072,-0.003419,-0.025162,0.0197472,0.0128393,-0.0027163,-0.0023648,-0.0046928,0.001709,-0.0106478,0.0048843,0.0001437,0.0066473,0.0030537
Romanized_Balkan:BGR_IA_I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0. 007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Early_Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemannic,0.1301377,0.130326 ,0.0642363,0.0531873,0.0370327,0.0162687,0.0073633 ,0.0052307,-0.001227,0.0023087,-0.0040053,0.0096913,-0.017344,-0.009725,0.0237963,0.0143197,0.0031727,0.0040117,0 .003855,0.004919,0.0058647,0.004493,-0.002999,0.014058,-0.0012773
Early_Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941 ,0.08 1458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0 .004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Early_Slavic:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA,0.1271973,0.1264 338,0.0753298,0.072029,0.0472395,0.0219628,0.01128 07,0.011134,0.0018918,-0.0244652,-0.0022735,-0.0081302,0.0150892,0.0187855,-0.011061,0.0081875,0.011278,-0.000792,0.0047768,0.0055652,-0.0065198,-0.0046368,0.0053922,-0.0021688,0.002455
Target: Feiichy_Father
Distance: 2.3526% / 0.02352577
64.8 Early_Slavic
30.2 Romanized_Balkan
5.0 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
Target: Feiichy_Mother
Distance: 2.7650% / 0.02765024
56.4 Early_Slavic
34.6 Romanized_Balkan
5.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
3.4 Early_Germanic
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 2.4780% / 0.02478030
60.0 Early_Slavic
30.8 Romanized_Balkan
6.6 Early_Germanic
2.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
good for me and my mother thankyou!
Target: Imre_scaled
Distance: 1.6484% / 0.01648389
46.0 Early_Slavic
36.4 Romanized_Balkan
14.0 Early_Germanic
3.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
Target: CB_scaled
Distance: 2.0937% / 0.02093713
54.6 Early_Slavic
29.2 Romanized_Balkan
11.2 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
5.0 Early_Germanic
maybe add to vahaduo :)?
17571imre
01-13-2022, 12:11 AM
double
Luke35
01-13-2022, 01:38 AM
good for me and my mother thankyou!
Target: Imre_scaled
Distance: 1.6484% / 0.01648389
46.0 Early_Slavic
36.4 Romanized_Balkan
14.0 Early_Germanic
3.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
Target: CB_scaled
Distance: 2.0937% / 0.02093713
54.6 Early_Slavic
29.2 Romanized_Balkan
11.2 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
5.0 Early_Germanic
maybe add to vahaduo :)?
Hard to resist a Feiichy calc, isn't it?
Target: Mr.G_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.3384% / 0.02338412
41.6 Early_Slavic
29.4 Romanized_Balkan
19.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
9.4 Early_Germanic
17571imre
01-13-2022, 08:12 AM
Hard to resist a Feiichy calc, isn't it?
Target: Mr.G_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.3384% / 0.02338412
41.6 Early_Slavic
29.4 Romanized_Balkan
19.6 Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
9.4 Early_Germanic
it is! also intresting how your dad has such a high score on Sarmatian_Caspian_Steppe
oszkar07
01-13-2022, 11:22 AM
Fun calc
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 3.1659% / 0.03165936
42.2 Early_Slavic
38.8 Early_Germanic
19.0 Romanized_Balkan
Marsa
01-13-2022, 11:37 PM
Hallo Feiichy, hallo everyone and Happy New Year! An acquaintance told me you are collecting results on this page, so I made an account to share a few, to help you a bit with the references. Dont make an update just yet! :)
Also, I've been told you are lacking samples from Slavonia. Well, I'm from Slavonia and unfortunately I managed to collect just a few as well. There are plenty of Slavonian Croats on MyHeritage, 23andMe etc. to be seen, but barely anyone on Gedmatch - which is the only thing that really matters; and weirdly the ones on Gedmatch are mostly with some mixed ancestry.
I have sent messages to a few people and asked them to upload, didn't really receive much responds lol, but I will continue to do so.
I see that you already have lots of threads, so in order not to be too repetitive, and to post something fresh and new ( because I doubt I'm having much different results), I checked this one, and noticed I'm familiar with some posted, and got it confirmed, so I will complete them first.
Just a question, how much foreign ancestry is allowed? Is 1/8 alright?
Marsa
01-14-2022, 12:29 AM
Slavonian Croat with gedcom! (origins from villages around Osijek and Našice)
North_Atlantic 29.82 Pct
Baltic 33.57 Pct
West_Med 12.9 Pct
West_Asian 9.2 Pct
East_Med 10.63 Pct
Red_Sea 1.57 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.71 Pct
Amerindian 1.53 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct
East_Slavonia,29.82,33.57,12.9,9.2,10.63,1.57,0,0, 0.71,1.53,0,0,0.06
Gedrosia 4.43 Pct
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Northwest_African 0.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.54 Pct
North_European 46.14 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.09 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Hey, this woman has quite a chunk of Slovak ancestry from Slavonia, not Croat! Her father is 50% Slovak+25% Slovenian / 25% Croat! Slovak side has some distant Hungarian roots too.
Her Slovak grand-grand-granfather was already born in Virovitica,prior moving to Našice, but married another Slovak woman,etc. Foreign colonists didnt really mixed with natives until recently, and by that I mean those who remained and got naturally assimilated. That's why there are so many people in the region who when having some foreign ancestry is relatively recent.
Her maternal lineage is fully Croat, and both grandparents were born in Slavonia. It is not her grandmother( I've seen someone posting),but grandfathers mother who was born in Podlapača,Lika ( his father also, Barlete-Gospić).. Her grandmothers roots are from Jasenice-Zadar County, but she was born in Našice.
I just checked her Gedcom, and of course you dont have this impression. Its not always the most reliable tool. None of that is written.
Marsa
01-14-2022, 01:06 AM
Croat, southerner by a name, but could be mix of Croatian regions because he matches both south and north Croats
North_Atlantic 24.56 Pct
Baltic 34.42 Pct
West_Med 15.7 Pct
West_Asian 7.23 Pct
East_Med 13.03 Pct
Red_Sea 2.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian 0.71 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Now, this is Slavonian Croat; You found one without even knowing :) From Staro Topolje, Brod Posavina County.
Here is My Heritage score when interested :
Balkan
51.2%
East European
29.5%
North and West European
17.1%
Middle East
2.2%
Genetic groups:
Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Croatia
Bosnia and Herzegovina and Southwestern Croatia
Croatia (Split-Dalmatia) and Bosnia and Herzegovina
That NW Europe is ridiculous. Here is Dodecad:
Population
Gedrosia 5.05 Pct
Siberian 0.39 Pct
Northwest_African 0.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.09 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.03 Pct
North_European 42.93 Pct
South_Asian 0.27 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.74 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Marsa
01-14-2022, 02:16 AM
2 new, courtesy of @MoroLP
Slavonia
North_Atlantic 30.12
Baltic 34.02
West_Med 14.67
West_Asian 4.89
East_Med 12.49
Red_Sea 0.9
South_Asian 1.16
East_Asian 0
Siberian 1.69
Amerindian 0
Oceanian 0
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0
He is 1/2 Lika + 1/2 Slavonia ; and 1/8 Slovak from grandmothers side. His results you can see here:
https://youtu.be/7vXXjHkXaEU
Not to repost everything, Ilok Croat from #105 has also Hungarian/German and distant Jewish ancestry. His sibling:
Population
North_Atlantic 34.34 Pct
Baltic 30.11 Pct
West_Med 15.07 Pct
West_Asian 5.98 Pct
East_Med 9.62 Pct
Red_Sea 2.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.37 Pct
Siberian 0.42 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.77 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.82 Pct
Distance to: Ilok2
3.81924076 Austrian
4.36396609 German_County_Glatz
4.59123077 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.26708648 Hungarian
5.42864624 German_North_Bohemia
5.44605362 Slovenian
5.78629415 Austrian_Carinthia
6.24883189 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
6.31810889 Hungarian_Alföld
6.36652181 Croat_North
6.51165110 German_Bavarian_Swabia
6.97997135 German_Saxony
7.22218803 Hungarian_North
7.38496445 Croat_West
7.71378636 Croat
7.76713589 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.04118772 Csángó-Ceangău
8.29040409 Czech
8.54567142 Slovak
8.59893017 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
8.65434573 German_Bavaria_proper
8.72339383 Austrian_Lower_Austria
8.93814298 German_Lower_Franconia
9.53906704 Croat_South
9.62157991 Croat_East
Target: Ilok2
Distance: 1.2137% / 1.21372391 | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.5 Austrian
20.4 Slovenian
14.7 Austrian_Carinthia
3.3 Mozabite
2.7 German_Bavarian_Swabia
0.9 Moroccan_South
0.5 Papuan
Target: Ilok2
Distance: 1.9780% / 1.97801505 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.4 Austrian
27.8 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
21.3 German_Bavarian_Swabia
15.5 Austrian_Carinthia
Target: Ilok2
Distance: 1.6588% / 1.65880768 | R2P
66.6 Croat_North
33.4 German_North_Hesse
Marsa
01-14-2022, 03:57 AM
Might be some type of Northern Croat
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.56
2 Baltic 35.4
3 West_Med 10.88
4 East_Med 9.2
5 West_Asian 5.1
6 Siberian 1.14
7 Oceanian 0.87
8 Amerindian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.32
10 Red_Sea 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.46
2 Hungarian 5.77
3 Austrian 6.59
4 South_Polish 8.38
5 Croatian 9.29
6 North_Swedish 10.6
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.72
8 Ukrainian 11.11
9 Polish 11.55
10 Southwest_Finnish 11.65
11 Moldavian 12.13
12 North_German 12.64
13 Swedish 13.05
14 West_German 13.45
15 Serbian 13.71
16 South_Dutch 14.5
17 Southwest_Russian 14.52
18 Russian_Smolensk 14.69
19 Belorussian 14.76
20 Danish 14.97
This person is from Novo selo na Dravi in far northern Croatia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novo_Selo_na_Dravi, and fully a local woman, but with 1/4 of German ancestry.
Thats not her surname, but surname of her late husband, who was partly also a local man, and partly from Slavonia.
Her daughter, 1/8 German, 1/4 Slavonia :
Population
North_Atlantic 34.14 Pct
Baltic 35.52 Pct
West_Med 14.45 Pct
West_Asian 4.71 Pct
East_Med 8.53 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.99 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.49 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.17 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Her son ^^ was another result posted and father is from NW Croatia. Meaning, it has only 1/8 Slavonian roots - if its allowed than you have a new sample! Im reposting it :
Population
North_Atlantic 28.18 Pct
Baltic 35.72 Pct
West_Med 14.37 Pct
West_Asian 8.59 Pct
East_Med 9.95 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.57 Pct
Oceanian 0.98 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
And this is another grandchild whose father is also from Međimurje with very distant Czech ancestor. It might fit as well :
Population
North_Atlantic 30.87 Pct
Baltic 34.83 Pct
West_Med 15.05 Pct
West_Asian 9.89 Pct
East_Med 6.15 Pct
Red_Sea 0.57 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.21 Pct
Amerindian 0.7 Pct
Oceanian 0.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
MoroLP
01-14-2022, 07:22 AM
Hallo Feiichy, hallo everyone and Happy New Year! An acquaintance told me you are collecting results on this page, so I made an account to share a few, to help you a bit with the references. Dont make an update just yet! :)
Also, I've been told you are lacking samples from Slavonia. Well, I'm from Slavonia and unfortunately I managed to collect just a few as well. There are plenty of Slavonian Croats on MyHeritage, 23andMe etc. to be seen, but barely anyone on Gedmatch - which is the only thing that really matters; and weirdly the ones on Gedmatch are mostly with some mixed ancestry.
I have sent messages to a few people and asked them to upload, didn't really receive much responds lol, but I will continue to do so.
I see that you already have lots of threads, so in order not to be too repetitive, and to post something fresh and new ( because I doubt I'm having much different results), I checked this one, and noticed I'm familiar with some posted, and got it confirmed, so I will complete them first.
Just a question, how much foreign ancestry is allowed? Is 1/8 alright?
Hi, Happy New Year!
I've finished with the calculation but can easily fix Croat_East (Slavonia, Srijem, Baranja) average and its influence on the national average. That's the only remaining region we lack samples from but especially lack samples that aren't ethnically mixed. That's not easy to find in that part of Croatia because many Czechs, Slovaks, Germans were Croatized, or Croats from other parts of Croatia migrated there. Sometimes the people who tested themselves aren't even aware of it when ask them. Not all of these samples were used for calculation of the average but were only mentioned since are from that part of Croatia. If you can find more mixed or not samples from that region it would be great!
I currently have two Croat_East averages: with 11 samples but some of them are mixed and with 7 samples which seem to be only ethnically Croatian. Both of them plot between (old) Croat_West and Bosniak average. First a bit northern-between, second a bit southern-closer to Croat_West. Generally speaking, there's no drastic difference. Actually the second with new regional averages is clustered well among non-Kajkavian speaking regions (Central, Northwest, GorskiKotar). Croats have two clear sub-national averages.
At least 4/4 while 1/8 sometimes but it was mostly the case before if the certain supra-regional sample size was small, foreign ancestry isn't drastically different from Croatian average, average doesn't have anomaly result on one of the K13 and so on.
Currently, as Feiichy explained, less is better than more regarding quality. This regional average is the only one to re-check before making the update.
Now, this is Slavonian Croat; You found one without even knowing :) From Staro Topolje, Brod Posavina County.
Thanks for reaching out!
Ljubic
01-14-2022, 07:41 AM
Hallo Feiichy, hallo everyone and Happy New Year! An acquaintance told me you are collecting results on this page, so I made an account to share a few, to help you a bit with the references. Dont make an update just yet! :)
Also, I've been told you are lacking samples from Slavonia. Well, I'm from Slavonia and unfortunately I managed to collect just a few as well. There are plenty of Slavonian Croats on MyHeritage, 23andMe etc. to be seen, but barely anyone on Gedmatch - which is the only thing that really matters; and weirdly the ones on Gedmatch are mostly with some mixed ancestry.
I have sent messages to a few people and asked them to upload, didn't really receive much responds lol, but I will continue to do so.
I see that you already have lots of threads, so in order not to be too repetitive, and to post something fresh and new ( because I doubt I'm having much different results), I checked this one, and noticed I'm familiar with some posted, and got it confirmed, so I will complete them first.
Just a question, how much foreign ancestry is allowed? Is 1/8 alright?
Hello and welcome. Has anyone posted your K13 yet?
Hallo Feiichy, hallo everyone and Happy New Year! An acquaintance told me you are collecting results on this page, so I made an account to share a few, to help you a bit with the references. Dont make an update just yet! :)
Also, I've been told you are lacking samples from Slavonia. Well, I'm from Slavonia and unfortunately I managed to collect just a few as well. There are plenty of Slavonian Croats on MyHeritage, 23andMe etc. to be seen, but barely anyone on Gedmatch - which is the only thing that really matters; and weirdly the ones on Gedmatch are mostly with some mixed ancestry.
I have sent messages to a few people and asked them to upload, didn't really receive much responds lol, but I will continue to do so.
I see that you already have lots of threads, so in order not to be too repetitive, and to post something fresh and new ( because I doubt I'm having much different results), I checked this one, and noticed I'm familiar with some posted, and got it confirmed, so I will complete them first.
Just a question, how much foreign ancestry is allowed? Is 1/8 alright?
Hi and welcome!!! 1/8 is in the limit, yeah! And thanks for helping, we need this help so much!!! Greets!
are you full Slavonian too? Cheers!
All the best :)
BTW thanks for sharing this incredible info!!! We can include you in averages making for sure!! It seems you know a lot and saw a lot of samples! Slavonia is very complicated!
:)
Really, really appreciating your help. Our east Croat average is by far the weakest one.
Marsa
01-15-2022, 03:47 AM
Thanks Moro! True, Slavonia can be very complicated, especially when people aren't familiar with some villages and places from first hand. And regarding samples, I agree, it's better to have quality over quantity. I will post some samples now. And I think you are all doing a great job, it's not an easy task:-)
Marsa
01-15-2022, 03:50 AM
BTW thanks for sharing this incredible info!!! We can include you in averages making for sure!! It seems you know a lot and saw a lot of samples! Slavonia is very complicated!
:)
Really, really appreciating your help. Our east Croat average is by far the weakest one.
Thanks a lot, I'm glad I can help! :-) And yes, I'm fully from Slavonia
@ Ljubic no, I haven't seen my result in this thread, but even if someone found it, I doubt that one would have assumed it's from the region because I have a very low Baltic with elevated East med. I'm quite south shifted. :-)
Marsa
01-15-2022, 05:41 AM
112084
This is my result :
K 13
Population
North_Atlantic 28.88 Pct
Baltic 27.6 Pct
West_Med 14.77 Pct
West_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Med 17.31 Pct
Red_Sea 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.46 Pct
Oceanian 0.27 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Marsa
5.16674946 Romanian_Maramureș
5.38443126 Romanian_Crișana
5.40416506 Serb_Central
5.53737302 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.64660075 Serb_Croatia
5.74701662 Serb_Vojvodina
5.91481192 Croat_West
5.99408875 Serb_West
6.11973039 Serb
6.20158044 Serb_Herzegovina
6.27335636 Romanian_South-Moldavia
6.47864183 Romanian_Transylvania
6.57973404 Serb_South
6.60705683 Romanian_North-Moldavia
6.61567079 Croat_South
6.79997059 Montenegrin
6.91984104 Romanian
7.01020684 Serb_Republika_Srpska
7.14868519 Romanian_Banat
7.43714327 Serb_Montenegro
7.64149200 Csángó-Ceangău
7.83003831 Moldovan_Central
7.89376970 Croat
7.90124674 Moldovan
8.06775681 Romanian_Oltenia
After removing Austrian_Carinthia:
Target: Marsa
Distance: 1.7245% / 1.72450915 | ADC: 0.25x RC
73.9 Croat_West
12.8 German_North_Hesse
7.0 Jew_Moldova
4.4 Jew_Yemen
1.9 Swiss_Italian
Target: Marsa
Distance: 3.0681% / 3.06812978 | R2P
85.6 Croat_West
14.4 Jew_Moldova
Dodecad K12b
Population
Gedrosia 4.41 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.77 Pct
North_European 39.21 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.59 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
I used MH and estimate is in attachment. The only weird thing here is this "Emilia Romagna" genetic group; from all the possible options one can have in the region, I really have no clue where in the world did they find it lol. I have no Italian matches neither.
I also used 23andMe, and scored no Italy. The result was: 75.3% Greek and Balkan ( no Greece and East Balkan given as regions) ; 21% East European ( no particular region assigned), British & Irish 2.2%, Broadly European 0.8%, Trace Ancestry : Ashkenazi Jewish 0.7%
I uploaded their raw data also on MH and scored similar, but with less Western Europe, and extra Middle East 2.5%, and no Italy as genetic group. The rest was the same. It appears to be more accurate.
Regarding my ancestry, the whole family is in Slavonia for a very long time. Šokac+some settlers from Lika in 18th century+some pre-Ottoman settlers from Western Slavonia to Brod + 1/16 local Hungarian from Osijek. On their side I found one surname which could have been Jewish, but I'm not 100% certain. No Italians :-)
Marsa
01-15-2022, 06:58 AM
These are results of my half-sister and her husband. She used only MH. Her mother is Šokac from village of Gornja Vrba, Brod-Posavina county. 1/16 Hungarian ( fathers side).
Balkan
78.1%
Eastern European
10.6%
Scandinavian
10.3%
Only one genetic group :
Bosnia and Herzegovina and Southwestern Croatia
Population
North_Atlantic 28.82 Pct
Baltic 30.19 Pct
West_Med 16.04 Pct
West_Asian 7.53 Pct
East_Med 14.63 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.14 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.9 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: L
2.67764822 Croat_West
3.61481673 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
3.67631609 Croat_South
4.11758424 Romanian_Maramureș
4.20978622 Serb_Croatia
4.30161598 Serb_West
4.45865451 Croat
4.62510540 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.81156939 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.95731782 Serb_Central
5.00612625 Serb
5.01270386 Csángó-Ceangău
5.26868105 Serb_Vojvodina
5.42409439 Hungarian_Alföld
5.65880729 Hungarian
5.72670062 Romanian_Crișana
6.03485708 Croat_East
6.16305119 Serb_Herzegovina
6.20561842 Moldovan_Central
6.35322753 Moldovan
6.39082937 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.70609424 Croat_North
6.76144955 Bosniak
6.85962827 Serb_South
7.19599889 Romanian_South-Moldavia
Target: L
Distance: 1.6461% / 1.64607578 | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.0 Croat_West
11.7 German_Bavarian_Swabia
8.7 Greek_Northern_Thrace
1.6 Swiss_Italian
Target: L
Distance: 1.8651% / 1.86507420 | R2P
91.8 Croat_West
8.2 Italian_Lombardy
He is from Vrpolje ( FtDna)
Population
North_Atlantic 25.01 Pct
Baltic 33.83 Pct
West_Med 16.56 Pct
West_Asian 10.07 Pct
East_Med 12.53 Pct
Red_Sea 0.27 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.83 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.9 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Target: D
Distance: 1.8680% / 1.86797648 | R2P
67.1 Lemko_Poland
32.9 Pomak_Bulgaria
Distance to: D
3.47119576 Moldovan_North
3.57295396 Bosniak
3.58991643 Croat_South
3.67510544 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.04651702 Croat_East
4.48727089 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.51825187 Croat
4.59637901 Moldovan
4.62453241 Moldovan_Central
5.12873279 Serb_Croatia
5.30605315 Croat_West
5.44100175 Serb_West
5.61571901 Serb
5.90581916 Romanian_Maramureș
6.19632149 Hungarian_Alföld
6.27555575 Serb_Central
6.36040879 Csángó-Ceangău
6.50776459 Lemko_Poland
6.51318662 Serb_Vojvodina
6.90094921 Croat_North
7.19947220 Serb_Herzegovina
7.23534381 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.24488095 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.27462027 Hungarian
7.44492445 Serb_South
I'm writing from a phone, and few more samples are on my laptop, so I'll post them later during day!
CommonSense
01-15-2022, 01:31 PM
@Feiichy
Do you think that woman who you had tested some time ago might be mixed? As I originally thought, her results seem quite out of line compared to 'pure' Slavonian Croats.
@Feiichy
Do you think that woman who you had tested some time ago might be mixed? As I originally thought, her results seem quite out of line compared to 'pure' Slavonian Croats.
Yes, absolutely! She is 1/4 Czech. They were assimilated so we discovered that recently. You can see in members modeling spreadsheet I marked her as 1/4 CZE already weeks ago :)
I also told Moro to take her out from Slavonian average.
112084
This is my result :
K 13
Population
North_Atlantic 28.88 Pct
Baltic 27.6 Pct
West_Med 14.77 Pct
West_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Med 17.31 Pct
Red_Sea 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.46 Pct
Oceanian 0.27 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Your results are somewhat similar but even more southern than this Serbian woman's kit that I have
North_Atlantic 26.6 Pct
Baltic 27.79 Pct
West_Med 15.43 Pct
West_Asian 12.67 Pct
East_Med 13.56 Pct
Red_Sea 2.72 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.18 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Marsa
01-15-2022, 06:27 PM
Your results are somewhat similar but even more southern than this Serbian woman's kit that I have
North_Atlantic 26.6 Pct
Baltic 27.79 Pct
West_Med 15.43 Pct
West_Asian 12.67 Pct
East_Med 13.56 Pct
Red_Sea 2.72 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.18 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Interesting! Do you know where she is from? I tested both of my parents for Christmas, so if the post doesnt lose kits like it did last year, the results should be here soon, so we'll see how they score. I'll post them.
Ayetooey
01-15-2022, 06:38 PM
Interesting! Do you know where she is from? I tested both of my parents for Christmas, so if the post doesnt lose kits like it did last year, the results should be here soon, so we'll see how they score. I'll post them.
Here's a Croat from Zadar (Benkovac) who isn't too different to you.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/931946293721452554/unknown.png
Marsa
01-15-2022, 07:12 PM
Father and daughter from Vinkovci.
His paternal grand-grand-grandfather was Russian, maternal grand-grand-grandfather Danube Swabian. They were all already born in Slavonia. Villages Antunovci and Donji Andrijevci
My Heritage
Balkan
76.7%
North and West European
16.2%
Finnish
7.1%
Genetic Groups
Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bosnia and Herzegovina and Southwestern Croatia
Croatia (Split-Dalmatia) and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Germany, France (Grand Est), Austria, Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands
Volga Germans in Russia (Saratov), Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine and in Poland
Germany #4
Poland, Hungary, Germany, Slovakia and Czechia
Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and Serbia
Population
North_Atlantic 28.89 Pct
Baltic 33.63 Pct
West_Med 14.15 Pct
West_Asian 9.74 Pct
East_Med 8.07 Pct
Red_Sea 1.09 Pct
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.39 Pct
Siberian 2.34 Pct
Amerindian 0.3 Pct
Oceanian 0.7 Pct
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.48 Pct
Dodecad K12b
Population
Gedrosia 6.4 Pct
Siberian 2.11 Pct
Northwest_African 1.42 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.54 Pct
North_European 44.48 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.13 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Daughter ( mother is fully Croat from Vinkovci with roots from Ramljani,Lika as well
My Heritage
Balkan
66.8%
East European
14.7%
Scandinavian
11.7%
North and West European
3.4%
Finnish
3.4%
Genetic groups
Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bosnia and Herzegovina and Southwestern Croatia
Croatia (Split-Dalmatia) and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Germany, France (Grand Est), Austria, Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands
Croatia (Lika-Senj and Primorje-Gorski Kotar)
Russia
Germany #4
Poland, Hungary, Germany, Slovakia and Czechia
Western Pennsylvania, Ohio and West Virginia
Population
North_Atlantic 29.43 Pct
Baltic 32.36 Pct
West_Med 15.73 Pct
West_Asian 9.55 Pct
East_Med 9.03 Pct
Red_Sea 1.41 Pct
South_Asian 1.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct
Dodecad
Population
Gedrosia 7.43 Pct
Siberian 0.86 Pct
Northwest_African 0.44 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 29.01 Pct
North_European 42.96 Pct
South_Asian 0.18 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.16 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Interesting! Do you know where she is from?
I think Novi Sad, not sure. She lives in Germany, I believe.
Population
North_Atlantic 28.89 Pct
Baltic 33.63 Pct
West_Med 14.15 Pct
West_Asian 9.74 Pct
East_Med 8.07 Pct
Red_Sea 1.09 Pct
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.39 Pct
Siberian 2.34 Pct
Amerindian 0.3 Pct
Oceanian 0.7 Pct
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.48 Pct
Dodecad K12b
Population
Gedrosia 6.4 Pct
Siberian 2.11 Pct
Northwest_African 1.42 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.54 Pct
North_European 44.48 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.13 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Quite a lot of Mongoloid for Croatia and I doubt you can pin it on the very distant Russian side. It has to be local.
Marsa
01-15-2022, 07:59 PM
Here's a Croat from Zadar (Benkovac) who isn't too different to you.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/931946293721452554/unknown.png
True. I think she is even more similar to this result from Korčula
Population
North_Atlantic 27.79 Pct
Baltic 27.5 Pct
West_Med 19.23 Pct
West_Asian 7.5 Pct
East_Med 13.44 Pct
Red_Sea 2.06 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.83 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Marsa
01-16-2022, 02:42 AM
Croat from Đakovo region
Population
North_Atlantic 25.87 Pct
Baltic 33.99 Pct
West_Med 19.17 Pct
West_Asian 4.84 Pct
East_Med 12.6 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.23 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.17 Pct
Oceanian 1.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Target: I
Distance: 3.0303% / 3.03031411 | R2P
85.4 Ukrainian_Carpathians
14.6 Sardinian
Target: I
Distance: 2.0040% / 2.00398147 | R3P
51.3 Lithuanian
27.4 Greek_Northern_Thrace
21.3 Sardinian
Distance to: I
5.75887142 Croat_South
5.96932995 Croat
6.28088370 Serb_Republika_Srpska
6.33535319 Croat_West
6.58983308 Bosniak
6.60708710 Croat_East
6.94774064 Hungarian_Alföld
7.05451628 Serb_Croatia
7.27653764 Serb_West
7.28683059 Lemko_Poland
7.34199564 Romanian_North-Moldavia
7.40749620 Croat_North
7.49309682 Moldovan_North
7.57783610 Serb
7.76528815 Serb_Central
7.82847367 Moldovan
7.86293838 Hungarian
7.86459153 Moldovan_Central
8.07727677 Romanian_Maramureș
8.17318175 Serb_Vojvodina
8.23084443 Hungarian_North
8.26453265 Csángó-Ceangău
8.37649688 Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.50083525 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.56899644 Slovene
Dodecad
Population
Gedrosia 3.79 Pct
Siberian 0.56 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 31 Pct
North_European 43.27 Pct
South_Asian 1.58 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.17 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.63 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
And one sample from Croatian/American originally from Osijek(Našice,Slatina), with very diverse background. Fathers side is 1/2 Hungarian+1/2 Polish/Slovak ; and Croat+1/4 Danube Swabian ( mother)
Population
North_Atlantic 36.62 Pct
Baltic 33.51 Pct
West_Med 13.16 Pct
West_Asian 5.32 Pct
East_Med 8.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.26 Pct
South_Asian 1.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.74 Pct
Siberian 0.18 Pct
Amerindian 0.22 Pct
Oceanian 0.58 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: M
2.85482048 German_North_Bohemia
3.18722450 German_Saxony
3.99447118 Austrian_Carinthia
4.19539033 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
4.44218415 German_County_Glatz
4.66152336 Austrian
5.24367238 Slovene
5.55485373 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
6.26582796 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.28553896 Czech
6.92984848 Hungarian_North
7.02171631 Slovak
7.08924538 Hungarian
7.29710902 Croat_North
7.66033942 German_West_Prussia
8.16815157 Hungarian_Alföld
8.39053634 German_Farther_Pomerania
9.11900762 Sorb
9.20746436 German
9.89117283 Croat
10.13904335 German_Hither_Pomerania
10.23523815 Croat_West
10.23960448QLemko_Poland
10.27702292German_Lower_Franconia
10.29594095German_Central_Hesse
Target: M
Distance: 1.2600% / 1.26000073 | R2P
59.7 German_North_Bohemia
40.3 Austrian_Carinthia
That's it from Slavonia! Three other samples I have I've seen on a list. My best friend also took a test, he is from Slavonia as well, and his results should arrive soon. I'll try to find some more
Marsa
01-16-2022, 03:12 AM
Croat from Zagreb, haplogroup I2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV6KmWyFC9U&ab_channel=AloeSinaloe
minor values under 1% are missing though, his fit would probably be tighter with them
1 Baltic 33.44
2 North_Atlantic 28.78
3 East_Med 15.69
4 West_Med 13.55
5 West_Asian 5.42
6 Northeast_African 1.75
Here are full values + Dodecad
Population
North_Atlantic 28.79 Pct
Baltic 33.45 Pct
West_Med 13.55 Pct
West_Asian 5.42 Pct
East_Med 15.7 Pct
Red_Sea 0.26 Pct
South_Asian 0.36
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.74 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.75 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Dodecad
Population
Gedrosia 3.1 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.48 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.6 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.64 Pct
North_European 44.61 Pct
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
East_African 0.91 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.87 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.19 Pc
His father is from Varadin with some distant ancestor from Dalmatia, and mother from Tomislavgrad. All born in Zagreb
wow, incredible! PS if you have any other regions too, just post it here! Every sample valuable and welcome :)
True. I think she is even more similar to this result from Korčula
Population
North_Atlantic 27.79 Pct
Baltic 27.5 Pct
West_Med 19.23 Pct
West_Asian 7.5 Pct
East_Med 13.44 Pct
Red_Sea 2.06 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.64 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.83 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
A full Islander??! I am 1/4 from nearby Hvar, so this interests me! Pretty modest Baltic input and high west Med!
CommonSense
01-16-2022, 11:37 AM
Real Slavonians seem to be similar to Bosniaks.
Real Slavonians seem to be similar to Bosniaks.
Yes, even though many Bosniaks seem more Baltic/Slavic and more often have these extremely high Baltic scores. Btw, is there any chance to get Bosniak regional samples?
I saw some of you saying not all Bosniaks have such Baltic shifted results (ofc I don't mean Sandak by that but other parts of BiH)
CommonSense
01-16-2022, 02:30 PM
Yes, even though many Bosniaks seem more Baltic/Slavic and more often have these extremely high Baltic scores. Btw, is there any chance to get Bosniak regional samples?
I saw some of you saying not all Bosniaks have such Baltic shifted results (ofc I don't mean Sandžak by that but other parts of BiH)
There's definitely a visible difference between central Bosnia and the other regions. I've personally posted various Bosniak results of people whose ancestry I've been able to acertain and from those results the discrepancy is clear. I assume vbnetkhio has added them all to his database. Unless one day a Bosniak interested in population genetics joins us, he's the only one who can update the existing averages. They're all too busy ranting about Srebrenica and Illyrians :D
...
Here is result of east Slavonian woman I tested, you may find it interesting if you didn't see it yet. Šokac from villages Vuka and Beketinci, 1/4 Czech
we didn't know that because it's her paternal grandpa who has Czech ancestry but his surname is Firić which seems local in Slavonia. maybe it's croatised surname? he was completely Croatised.
https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Firi%C4%87/
Family name Firić (including: Firic , Firich , Fürych , Firych , Führich , Fierick , Firici and Fyrych ) is present in 16 countries on two continents. The family name "Firic " is used by small number of people in Slovakia and small number in the United States. "Firich " is used by some 100 people in Ukraine , small number in the United States , and small number of people in Czech Republic. "Fierick " is used by small number of people in the United States.
Myheritage
Balkan 49.2%
Romania
Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
East European 40.6%
Irish, Scottish and Welsh 8.8%
Scandinavian 1.4%
additional genetic groups
Slovakia, eastern Czechia, Hungary and Poland
Poland, Hungary, Germany, Slovakia and Czechia
North_Atlantic 27.46 Pct
Baltic 40.07 Pct
West_Med 13.29 Pct
West_Asian 8.19 Pct
East_Med 7.85 Pct
Red_Sea 2.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.31 Pct
Amerindian 0.3 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Manda
2.30831107 Ukrainian_Galicia
3.73862274 Ukrainian_Carpathians
3.86478977 Ukrainian_Moldova
4.21208974 Lemko_Poland
4.69580664 Polish_Subcarpathia
5.09702855 Ukrainian_South
5.20370061 Slovak
5.37433717 Polish_Silesia
5.52482579 Polish_South
5.98174724 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
6.62812191 Czech
6.69466952 Hungarian_North
6.73552522 Polish_Lesser_Poland
7.00481263 Croat_North
7.12796605 Bosniak
7.18314694 Ukrainian
7.26709020 Croat_East
7.49104132 Ukrainian_North
7.59251605 Polish_Greater_Poland
7.68547982 Ukrainian_Northwest
7.70579652 Sorb
7.96295799 Slovene
8.08118803 Polish_Mazovia
8.20107920 Hungarian_Alföld
8.41451722 Croat
Target: Manda
Distance: 1.8525% / 1.85246647 | R2P
71.7 Polish
28.3 Pomak_Bulgaria
Gedrosia 3.01 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.31 Pct
North_European 50.11 Pct
South_Asian 0.29 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Manda
3.43372975 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
5.91606288 Croat
6.37694284 Hungarian_North
6.59508150 Slovak
6.73397357 Slovenian
7.32230838 Croat_South
7.46578194 Hungarian_Alföld
7.62830912 Moldovan_North
8.02022444 Czech
8.02651232 Hungarian
8.06076919 Bosnian
8.49035335 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.93778496 Ukrainian
9.50619798 Sorb_Lusatia
10.32804919 Polish
10.81064753 Russian_Voronezh
10.85005069 Moldovan_Central
11.02173761 Russian_Oryol
11.03468622 Polish_Mazovia
11.29678715 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
11.36300136 Russian_Kursk
11.74160977 Belorussian
11.78308109 Russian_Ryazan
12.01985857 Serb
12.26166791 Russian_Smolensk
Target: Manda
Distance: 2.7291% / 2.72911621 | R2P
66.9 Polish_Mazovia
33.1 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
Marsa
01-17-2022, 08:57 PM
Here is result of east Slavonian woman I tested, you may find it interesting if you didn't see it yet. Šokac from villages Vuka and Beketinci, 1/4 Czech
we didn't know that because it's her paternal grandpa who has Czech ancestry but his surname is Firić which seems local in Slavonia. maybe it's croatised surname? he was completely Croatised.
https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Firi%C4%87/
Family name Firić (including: Firic , Firich , Fürych , Firych , Führich , Fierick , Firici and Fyrych ) is present in 16 countries on two continents. The family name "Firic " is used by small number of people in Slovakia and small number in the United States. "Firich " is used by some 100 people in Ukraine , small number in the United States , and small number of people in Czech Republic. "Fierick " is used by small number of people in the United States.
Myheritage
Balkan 49.2%
Romania
Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
East European 40.6%
Irish, Scottish and Welsh 8.8%
Scandinavian 1.4%
additional genetic groups
Slovakia, eastern Czechia, Hungary and Poland
Poland, Hungary, Germany, Slovakia and Czechia
North_Atlantic 27.46 Pct
Baltic 40.07 Pct
West_Med 13.29 Pct
West_Asian 8.19 Pct
East_Med 7.85 Pct
Red_Sea 2.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.31 Pct
Amerindian 0.3 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Manda
2.30831107 Ukrainian_Galicia
3.73862274 Ukrainian_Carpathians
3.86478977 Ukrainian_Moldova
4.21208974 Lemko_Poland
4.69580664 Polish_Subcarpathia
5.09702855 Ukrainian_South
5.20370061 Slovak
5.37433717 Polish_Silesia
5.52482579 Polish_South
5.98174724 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
6.62812191 Czech
6.69466952 Hungarian_North
6.73552522 Polish_Lesser_Poland
7.00481263 Croat_North
7.12796605 Bosniak
7.18314694 Ukrainian
7.26709020 Croat_East
7.49104132 Ukrainian_North
7.59251605 Polish_Greater_Poland
7.68547982 Ukrainian_Northwest
7.70579652 Sorb
7.96295799 Slovene
8.08118803 Polish_Mazovia
8.20107920 Hungarian_Alföld
8.41451722 Croat
Target: Manda
Distance: 1.8525% / 1.85246647 | R2P
71.7 Polish
28.3 Pomak_Bulgaria
Gedrosia 3.01 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.31 Pct
North_European 50.11 Pct
South_Asian 0.29 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Manda
3.43372975 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
5.91606288 Croat
6.37694284 Hungarian_North
6.59508150 Slovak
6.73397357 Slovenian
7.32230838 Croat_South
7.46578194 Hungarian_Alföld
7.62830912 Moldovan_North
8.02022444 Czech
8.02651232 Hungarian
8.06076919 Bosnian
8.49035335 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.93778496 Ukrainian
9.50619798 Sorb_Lusatia
10.32804919 Polish
10.81064753 Russian_Voronezh
10.85005069 Moldovan_Central
11.02173761 Russian_Oryol
11.03468622 Polish_Mazovia
11.29678715 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
11.36300136 Russian_Kursk
11.74160977 Belorussian
11.78308109 Russian_Ryazan
12.01985857 Serb
12.26166791 Russian_Smolensk
Target: Manda
Distance: 2.7291% / 2.72911621 | R2P
66.9 Polish_Mazovia
33.1 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
Really interesting result! No,I haven't seen it. I've heard for surname Fyric- in this written form in Osijek, there is a possibility that it went misspelled after a while, and now exist as Firić.
Ferić is quite common is Slavonia tho. I don't think there is connection.
And that island result is pure yes, with one distant Italian surname which appears to be local. i have some other islanders, I can post.
They score differently, some are more Slavic. Maybe you already have them but without confirmation.
Croatian woman from overseas, almost certainly from Island of Lošinj in western Croatia.
North_Atlantic 30.99 Pct
Baltic 29.35 Pct
West_Med 17 Pct
West_Asian 8.53 Pct
East_Med 8.46 Pct
Red_Sea 2.28 Pct
South_Asian 2.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.34 Pct
Gedrosia 6.45 Pct
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Northwest_African 0.83 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.88 Pct
North_European 42.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.72 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.23 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.09 Pct
^^She is, and here is another one, also American and fully from Mali Lošinj. She is close match of this woman, and they even score very similar.
Population
North_Atlantic 30.19 Pct
Baltic 30.16 Pct
West_Med 18.15 Pct
West_Asian 7.26 Pct
East_Med 11.06 Pct
Red_Sea 1.27 Pct
South_Asian 0.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.37 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.02 Pct
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.3 Pct
Distance to: Lošinj
4.41976244 Croat_West
4.91709264 Hungarian
4.92147336 Hungarian_Alföld
5.04120025 Croat
5.05915013 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.08201732 Csángó-Ceangău
5.16168577 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.58329652 Croat_South
5.79634368 Croat_North
6.22451605 German_Bavarian_Swabia
6.26088652 Slovene
6.46108350 Serb_West
6.47183127 Romanian_Maramureș
6.79107503 Serb_Republika_Srpska
6.90394090 Serb_Croatia
7.16303009 Croat_East
7.32414500 Romanian_North-Moldavia
7.45146965 Hungarian_North
7.45639323 Serb
7.80282000 German_County_Glatz
7.86172373 Serb_Central
7.88680544 Serb_Vojvodina
8.03145690 Bosniak
8.46877795 Austrian
8.48455067 Romanian_Crișana
Target: Lošinj
Distance: 1.4764% / 1.47635299 | R2P
89.0 Croat
11.0 Basque_France
Dodecad
Population
Gedrosia 4.67 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.36 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 29.87 Pct
North_European 43.26 Pct
South_Asian 0.56 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.89 Pct
East_Asian 0.27 Pct
Caucasus 16.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Half northern Croatia (Međimurje), half northwestern Bosnia (around Banja Luka). He didn't specify ethnicity of father. Paternal haplogroup is G2a.
1 Baltic 38.02
2 North_Atlantic 26.73
3 West_Med 13.42
4 East_Med 11.75
5 West_Asian 6.57
6 Red_Sea 1.26
7 Amerindian 1.04
2.71248963 Ukrainian_Carpathians
3.33313666 Lemko_Poland
4.03070713 Bosniak
4.13278357 Croat_East
4.99496747 Ukrainian_Moldova
5.09624371 Hungarian_North
5.16058136 Ukrainian_Galicia
5.42224123 Croat_North
5.53799603 Croat
5.76470294 Slovak
6.13093794 Hungarian_Alföld
6.15490049 Moldovan_North
6.97898990 Hungarian
7.01219652 Czech
7.06205353 Slovene
7.23560640 Croat_West
7.24512940 Croat_South
7.27450342 Ukrainian_South
7.49193566 Polish_Subcarpathia
7.65806111 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.45318875 Polish_South
8.52681652 Serb_Republika_Srpska
8.59512653 Polish_Silesia
8.62993627 Romanian_North-Moldavia
8.73880999 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
Target: unknown
Distance: 1.8494% / 1.84944338 | R2P
52.0 Polish_Greater_Poland
48.0 Serb_Central
Marsa
01-17-2022, 09:03 PM
There's definitely a visible difference between central Bosnia and the other regions. I've personally posted various Bosniak results of people whose ancestry I've been able to acertain and from those results the discrepancy is clear. I assume vbnetkhio has added them all to his database. Unless one day a Bosniak interested in population genetics joins us, he's the only one who can update the existing averages. They're all too busy ranting about Srebrenica and Illyrians :D
Is there a Bosniak thread? I can't find it. I have a few results confirmed, so I can share, or simply give kits.
Really interesting result! No,I haven't seen it. I've heard for surname Fyric- in this written form in Osijek, there is a possibility that it went misspelled after a while, and now exist as Firić.
Ferić is quite common is Slavonia tho. I don't think there is connection.
And that island result is pure yes, with one distant Italian surname which appears to be local. i have some other islanders, I can post.
They score differently, some are more Slavic. Maybe you already have them but without confirmation.
Thanks a lot for info! It's very valuable information. Please post other islanders too, I am desperate for their results! :p
^^She is, and here is another one, also American fully from Mali Lošinj. She is close match of this woman, and they even score very similar.
They do, thanks a lot! I want to thumb you up but for some reason this function isn't working for me atm.
my best friend is half from Lošinj, here is separate thread about his results, just in case somebody want to check it out (I posted his K13 here otherwise)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?355960-Stearsolina-best-friend-DNA-results!
Is there a Bosniak thread? I can't find it. I have a few results confirmed, so I can share, or simply give kits.
Yes please, here it is!
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289346-Bosniak-Gedmatch-results/page25
MoroLP
01-19-2022, 11:00 AM
New averages
Regional:
Croat_Dalmatia,26.36,31.49,16.09,8.84,13.31,1.57,0 .44,0.30,0.54,0.48,0.35,0.10,0.11
Croat_Bosnia,26.51,32.35,15.57,8.02,13.77,1.43,0.5 9,0.29,0.49,0.48,0.34,0.10,0.07
Croat_Herzegovina,24.93,32.69,15.99,8.60,14.10,1.2 8,0.55,0.19,0.55,0.48,0.40,0.04,0.11
Croat_Lika,27.50,32.41,15.69,7.72,12.86,1.28,0.35, 0.19,0.69,0.56,0.55,0.08,0.12
Croat_Istria,27.52,31.63,15.79,7.79,13.90,1.06,0.5 2,0.38,0.48,0.37,0.35,0.18,0.05
Croat_Kvarner,28.57,32.45,14.23,8.28,12.57,1.24,0. 49,0.36,0.68,0.23,0.43,0.13,0.12
Croat_GorskiKotar,31.45,32.69,14.41,7.40,10.30,1.1 9,0.67,0.29,0.54,0.52,0.30,0.13,0.11
Croat_Slavonia,26.53,33.17,15.98,7.53,13.91,0.80,0 .77,0.17,0.51,0.56,0.43,0.02,0.07
Croat_Central,29.40,34.03,14.89,7.02,10.88,1.28,0. 52,0.22,0.47,0.45,0.41,0.24,0.13
Croat_Northwest,31.23,34.80,13.68,6.85,8.93,1.29,0 .54,0.44,0.50,0.97,0.41,0.20,0.16
Supraregional:
Croat_South,26.24,31.94,15.90,8.52,13.56,1.48,0.51 ,0.29,0.52,0.48,0.35,0.09,0.09
Croat_West,28.53,32.27,15.18,7.82,12.52,1.19,0.48, 0.29,0.54,0.47,0.43,0.15,0.10
Croat_East,26.53,33.17,15.98,7.53,13.91,0.80,0.77, 0.17,0.51,0.56,0.43,0.02,0.07
Croat_North,30.05,34.30,14.46,6.96,10.19,1.28,0.53 ,0.29,0.48,0.63,0.41,0.22,0.14
* "Croat_East" is still the same as "Croat_Slavonia". It includes Slavonija in the narrow sense, Baranja and Srijem. In other words, it is Slavonia in the broader sense.
National (a national, two subnational genetic clusters, and a national based on regionally and ethnically mixed 65 samples):
Croat,28.08,33.07,15.25,7.68,12.16,1.27,0.55,0.27, 0.52,0.55,0.40,0.14,0.11
Croat_Southern,26.66,32.28,15.80,8.16,13.52,1.26,0 .55,0.27,0.52,0.55,0.40,0.14,0.11
Croat_Northern,30.14,34.20,14.46,6.99,10.20,1.28,0 .55,0.29,0.50,0.63,0.40,0.22,0.14
Croat_Mixed,28.97,32.33,15.16,7.49,12.11,1.45,0.55 ,0.29,0.62,0.46,0.39,0.05,0.11
Vahaduo PCA (https://ibb.co/r0nFvsR) - important to notice Croatian_Northern and Croatian_Southern subnational genetic clusters. They are made of regional averages North and South of the Croatian national average. More specifically, Chakavian and Western Shtokavian Croats make a single genetic cluster. Chakavian Croats are not closer to Kajkavian Croats. Bosniaks as Western Shtokavian speakers have averages that are mostly much closer to Chakavian and Western Shtokavian Croats as well as Croatian_Southern than to Eastern Shtokavian Serbian or Montenegrin regional and national averages.
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