Genocide on Women ♀

[Breathe]

I wish feminists would stop talking about useless topics (such as free the nipple movement) and talk about concerns women actually face in real life. In countries like India and China, there is a strong preference towards baby boys. And ever since we have gotten technology that helps us find out the baby’s gender, many couples decide to abort baby girls. This has killed millions of baby girls. The sex ratio is skewed very badly in many countries. Of course, this is leaving many young men unmarried and single.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/world/too-many-men/

[Celestia]

Very nice post and I agree.
It would be nice for American “feminists” to stop focusing on growing out their armpit hair and focus on events such as you listed.

I watched a documentary that was based in a village in India where the husband set his wife on fire because she kept having baby girls. She survived and was never able to get justice because of India’s outdated system.
When I have some time, I can find some links and videos for this.

[Tooting Carmen]

True

[Celestia]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=106099&d=1613527991

This is a good documentary based on honor killings in Pakistan.

[Ranger0075]

What ironic, feminists in my country would take off their legs to have Indian/Chinese abortion laws.... So much progressists

[JamesBond007]

I wish feminists would stop talking about useless topics (such as free the nipple movement) and talk about concerns women actually face in real life. In countries like India and China, there is a strong preference towards baby boys. And ever since we have gotten technology that helps us find out the baby’s gender, many couples decide to abort baby girls. This has killed millions of baby girls. The sex ratio is skewed very badly in many countries. Of course, this is leaving many young men unmarried and single.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/world/too-many-men/


Meanwhile in feminist countries :

Women initiate 70% of the divorces :


https://bakingandmath.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/women-are-bad-at-math.jpg

[Jon96]

Well, the armpit hair etc are also problems because this leads to women being sexualized which leads to rape in the West. Just because it isn't as big of an issue as in Pakistan or India or China, doesn't mean it's not an issue. Rape numbers are alarming in the States and the West.

I do agree on your point of the male-female ratio thing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/world/too-many-men/

[Óttar]

You also have the problem of feminicidio in Mexico. Women who migrated to work in clothing factories have been murdered there at alarming rates because the men are envious of their new found economic power. Also, the desert makes it an ideal place for woman-hating serial killers to do their evil deeds. Just last year, an acquaintance of mine in Chihuahua was murdered for owning her own exercise gym and dealing diet pills.

[Celestia]

Well, the armpit hair etc are also problems because women are sexualized which leads to rape in the West. Just because it isn't as big of an issue as in Pakistan or India or China, doesn't mean it's not an issue. Silly post.

No. The armpit hair is because they’re going against the beauty industry making profits off of ideal woman’s beauty standards. https://www.mic.com/articles/151191/the-unusual-and-deeply-sexist-history-of-women-removing-their-body-hair

They’re rebelling against it because of “sexism” not because of rape.

[Jon96]

No. The armpit hair is because they’re going against the beauty industry making profits off of ideal woman’s beauty standards. https://www.mic.com/articles/151191/the-unusual-and-deeply-sexist-history-of-women-removing-their-body-hair

They’re rebelling against it because of “sexism” not because of rape.

Well, I didn't say they are rebelling against rape specifically. It may lead to that. Your article doesn't talk about the feminist movement at all.

EDIT: These 'armpit' feminists are protesting against the objectification of women. Society expects them to look a certain way. Women are treated as objects many times. That's what they protest against. 1 in 4 women in the West/the US experience sexual assault.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-019-01024-0

[Celestia]

Well, I didn't say they are rebelling against rape specifically. It may lead to that. Your article doesn't talk about the feminist movement at all.

My article explains the “sexism” and double standards of women having to shave their armpit hair while men don’t. Which is what feminists are complaining about.

And this is what you said “ Well, the armpit hair etc are also problems because this leads to women being sexualized which leads to rape in the West.”

[Jon96]

My article explains the “sexism” and double standards of women having to shave their armpit hair while men don’t. Which is what feminists are complaining about.

And this is what you said “ Well, the armpit hair etc are also problems because this leads to women being sexualized which leads to rape in the West.”

Sorry, I edited my previous comment. You can check it out. Your article describes one of the reasons. Another reason feminists complain about this (as you should know), is that women are objectified.

[Celestia]

Sorry, I edited my previous comment. You can check it out. Your article describes one of the reasons. Another reason feminists complain about this (as you should know), is that women are objectified.

I see, thanks for the link.
That reason seems a bit silly to me because I don’t think a rapist is going to suddenly change his mind once he sees a woman’s armpit hair but I don’t doubt the logic behind some people. I will read what the article has to say.

[Tauromachos]

Genocide on your women is doing Genocide on yourself

Without women any population will die out

[JamesBond007]

Genocide on your women is doing Genocide on yourself

Without women any population will die out

I dunno, I guess one could technically make the case that women are superfluous/redundant because of modern science and technology one does not need women to reproduce the human race.

[Jon96]

I see, thanks for the link.
That reason seems a bit silly to me because I don’t think a rapist is going to suddenly change his mind once he sees a woman’s armpit hair but I don’t doubt the logic behind some people. I will read what the article has to say.

ok great. I'm still not sure you understand how this may lead to sexualization and rape. I could go into detail if you want.

Basically, men have treated women as sexual objects for far too long. Magazines, porn, "the ideal woman body" etc. Men try to groom women into this ideal. As my study before proves, the sexual objectification of women leads to abuse and rape.

Not shaving armpits is supposed to be rebellious against this. Women no longer want to be sexually objectified. They no longer want to groom themselves to please us men. Many pathetic men demand women to be shaven and call them disgusting if they don't. In third world countries they may actually be abused by the husband if they don't! This is seen in Western countries as well but to a much lesser extent.

Women are rebelling against traditional norms of what they are supposed to do to please men.

Now it may seem small and pointless, but all protests start out small. It is a small little symbol against sexual objectification and stupid traditional gender norms. You also need to look at it from a historical perspective(since history impacts the way we live in the present.)

I hope this makes sense.

[Breathe]

Meanwhile in feminist countries :

Women initiate 70% of the divorces :


https://bakingandmath.files.wordpresrs.com/2013/10/women-are-bad-at-math.jpg

That is not what this post about. This post is about how
Men are having difficulties finding a wife because of the skewers sex ratio.

[JamesBond007]

That is not what this post about. This post is about how
Men are having difficulties finding a wife because of the skewers sex ratio.

Ok, but a mathematician asks in every instance, what assumptions are you making ? that is because if your assumptions are wrong then your whole idea is wrong. That is because mathematicians derive all mathematics from a few fundamental axioms.

Your unspoken assumption is that it would be easier to have a wife if feminists were in charge, those countries, when that is clearly probably not the case based on trends in more feminist Western countries.

[Celestia]

ok great. I'm still not sure you understand how this may lead to sexualization and rape. I could go into detail if you want.

Basically, men have treated women as sexual objects for far too long. Magazines, porn, "the ideal woman body" etc. Men try to groom women into this ideal. As my study before proves, the sexual objectification of women leads to abuse and rape.

Not shaving armpits is supposed to be rebellious against this. Women no longer want to be sexually objectified. They no longer want to groom themselves to please us men. Many pathetic men demand women to be shaven and call them disgusting if they don't. In third world countries they may actually be abused by the husband if they don't! This is seen in Western countries as well but to a much lesser extent.

Women are rebelling against traditional norms of what they are supposed to do to please men.

Now it may seem small and pointless, but all protests start out small. It is a small little symbol against sexual objectification and stupid traditional gender norms. You also need to look at it from a historical perspective(since history impacts the way we live in the present.)

I hope this makes sense.

I see, thanks for the explanation.
I guess I still see this as trivial and not making that much of an impact since most of these women are dolled up and post photos with their visible armpit hair on social media just to say they support the cause.
I’m sure there are legit women out there that are fighting for the right reasons but for my age group it seems like a publicity stunt instead.

[JamesBond007]

I see, thanks for the explanation.
I guess I still see this as trivial and not making that much of an impact since most of these women are dolled up and post photos with their visible armpit hair on social media just to say they support the cause.
I’m sure there are legit women out there that are fighting for the right reasons but for my age group it seems like a publicity stunt instead.

My ex-girlfriend Tara etc... had armpit hair and hairy legs that could not stop the cock missile from hitting its target, though :love_4:

[Jon96]

I see, thanks for the explanation.
I guess I still see this as trivial and not making that much of an impact since most of these women are dolled up and post photos with their visible armpit hair on social media just to say they support the cause.
I’m sure there are legit women out there that are fighting for the right reasons but for my age group it seems like a publicity stunt instead.

"For my age group it seems like a publicity stunt instead". Well, for a few it is, not for most. That's your opinion I guess.

It's made a lot of an impact though. For example, women aren't sexualized that much anymore (which I showed leads to rape).

. If a man demands a women to shave, that would be looked down upon. Just a few years ago, this issue would have been looked at differently, but now a lot has changed.

[Harley]

Most men that I’ve met online and in real life are extremely sexist. It doesn’t help my position any that I am a physical antithesis of what female frailty should look like.

I think in a natural and healthy relationship between a man and woman, not male and female, the woman is able to safely defer to man’s guidance because man understands she only enhances his experience.

I find that the men that are not threatened by my existence have higher IQ and are secure in their masculinity. I think those men that believe to suppress and control women are seeking to kill weakness in themselves.

Idk, if everyone insists being stuck on stupid, can we really expect real change in terms of actual progression towards the rights of the fairer sex?

[sean]

China and India fucked their balance of men to women with autism about female babies. They rely on manual labour, so females are worth less in their societies — at least females who aren’t able to be used for breeding in the short-term. The dowry system makes this worse.

In the olden days, thousands of babies, mostly female, abandoned in the streets of ancient China; and those not abandoned were put to death in cold water. In feudal Japan they suffocated the baby with wet paper covering her nose and mouth; female infanticide was systematic among the feudal Rajputs in India, sometimes throwing their children alive to the crocodiles; and in pre-Islamic Arabia they buried alive a number of newborn females.

The inhabitants of sub-Saharan Africa killed their children much more often than did other races: the Nama Hottentots, the inhabitants of the Lake Victoria Nyanza, the Tswana, the people of the bush, the !Kung of the Kalahari Desert, the Kikuyu (the most populous group in what is now Kenya), the Vadshagga, the Ibo village in Nigeria where the neonate was also buried alive, or where every mother had killed at least one of their children. Child sacrifice was practiced in Zimbabwe as recently as the beginnings of the 20th century.


I wish feminists would stop talking about useless topics (such as free the nipple movement) and talk about concerns women actually face in real life. In countries like India and China, there is a strong preference towards baby boys. And ever since we have gotten technology that helps us find out the baby’s gender, many couples decide to abort baby girls. This has killed millions of baby girls. The sex ratio is skewed very badly in many countries. Of course, this is leaving many young men unmarried and single.

India and China are totally foreign lands, not English-speaking, not in Europe, and not in the Anglosphere. It was not fashionable to whine about Arab treatment of women for instance, just like it's not fashionable to talk about Indian issues today.

https://i.imgur.com/auXuFiz.jpg

Violent gang rape and acid attacks to the face are also common there. Still, India is such a horrible place to live for women, men actually kill themselves more than women.

Chinese women are actually anti-children more than even western feminists, and despite the governments' pro-family propaganda the damage is irreversibly done.

Chinese woman have just internalised generations worth of anti-family propaganda and now they just refuse to view it positively. The only thing keeping their birthrate somewhat higher is because they still have a large peasant population that they're moving into those ghost cities but they won't be able to sustain the country.

Western feminists never focus on these issues because they can't admit how good they have it here, and focus on unimportant, often made-up issues, that have little to no impact.

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1538408383181.jpg
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1597568928791.jpg

What China and India could do if ethics went out the window is implement policies that cause there to be more female than male babies born.

15 years from now, there would be an abundance of young women. Young women and older men are a classic combination lel.

[Linebacker]

Y-Chromosome master race.

[Jana]

Sickening.

[Aspirin]

https://i.imgur.com/iq7rgHK.jpg
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1599561097713.jpg


WTF?

[-Scar-]

I watched a documentary that was based in a village in India where the husband set his wife on fire because she kept having baby girls. She survived and was never able to get justice because of India’s outdated system.

WHAT THE F*CK?

[Zeno]

Feminism is literally a waste of time for Europe and the West as a whole. They don't focus on the real atrocities against women happening almost entirely in non-European countries.

In the Middle East, in Central America, in the Indian subcontinent and in Africa, women are literally either attacked, castrated, burned, stoned to death, have their babies killed and then themselves killed. These don't happen in European countries, and if they happen, it's always the savages from the Third World that do these shite.

Yet, feminists here ramble on and on and on about how women are oppressed because there's a difference of 0,0000000000000001% in wages and because they can't have a matriarchy.

[Geschichte]

Feminism is literally a waste of time for Europe and the West as a whole. They don't focus on the real atrocities against women happening almost entirely in non-European countries.

In the Middle East, in Central America, in the Indian subcontinent and in Africa, women are literally either attacked, castrated, burned, stoned to death, have their babies killed and then themselves killed. These don't happen in European countries, and if they happen, it's always the savages from the Third World that do these shite.

Yet, feminists here ramble on and on and on about how women are oppressed because there's a difference of 0,0000000000000001% in wages and because they can't have a matriarchy.

The more a country becomes prosperous, equal and free, the more "fringe groups" focus on "trivial matters".

Let's compare gender share of STEM vs humanities/social sciences graduates in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe.
In Scandinavia women have total freedom of choice and they mostly choose non-STEM fields while in Eastern Europe women are more represented in STEM.

As Thomas Sowell stated:

“A society that puts equality—in the sense of equality of outcome—ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy freedom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests.”

Differences in wages are not significant if we make proper comparisons (correcting for hours worked, productivity, flexibility, avaibility, ability to negotiate etc).
You can't even discriminate by law, truth is that men and women have a different distribution of preferences and characteristics, for obvious reasons..

[reboun]

I think, you stated an important topic.

[Zeno]

The more a country becomes prosperous, equal and free, the more "fringe groups" focus on "trivial matters".

Let's compare gender share of STEM vs humanities/social sciences graduates in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe.
In Scandinavia women have total freedom of choice and they mostly choose non-STEM fields while in Eastern Europe women are more represented in STEM.

As Thomas Sowell stated:

“A society that puts equality—in the sense of equality of outcome—ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy freedom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests.”

Differences in wages are not significant if we make proper comparisons (correcting for hours worked, productivity, flexibility, avaibility, ability to negotiate etc).
You can't even discriminate by law, truth is that men and women have a different distribution of preferences and characteristics, for obvious reasons..

This. The gender wage gap (if it even exists objectively) depends on a myriad of social and biological factors. It can't be attributed solely on "muh gender".

[Jon96]

Feminism is literally a waste of time for Europe and the West as a whole. They don't focus on the real atrocities against women happening almost entirely in non-European countries.

In the Middle East, in Central America, in the Indian subcontinent and in Africa, women are literally either attacked, castrated, burned, stoned to death, have their babies killed and then themselves killed. These don't happen in European countries, and if they happen, it's always the savages from the Third World that do these shite.

Yet, feminists here ramble on and on and on about how women are oppressed because there's a difference of 0,0000000000000001% in wages and because they can't have a matriarchy.

They ramble about other things as well and most of it is justified. Speaking of women "literally being attacked",1 in 5 American women have experienced sexual assaults and the assaulter is usually a person they know. All demographics are equally involved. This is all from CDC.

[Flashball]

I don't care, i'm not from India or Pakistan, and i'm not a woman and i'm not feminist.

[Celestia]

I find that the men that are not threatened by my existence have higher IQ and are secure in their masculinity. I think those men that believe to suppress and control women are seeking to kill weakness in themselves.

Very well put

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

The more a country becomes prosperous, equal and free, the more "fringe groups" focus on "trivial matters".

Let's compare gender share of STEM vs humanities/social sciences graduates in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe.
In Scandinavia women have total freedom of choice and they mostly choose non-STEM fields while in Eastern Europe women are more represented in STEM.

As Thomas Sowell stated:

“A society that puts equality—in the sense of equality of outcome—ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy freedom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests.”

Differences in wages are not significant if we make proper comparisons (correcting for hours worked, productivity, flexibility, avaibility, ability to negotiate etc).
You can't even discriminate by law, truth is that men and women have a different distribution of preferences and characteristics, for obvious reasons..

this is the argument jordan peterson uses aswell

equality of opportunity does not mean equality of outcome, as men and women are fundamentally different, with different desires and aspirations

[Geschichte]

this is the argument jordan peterson uses aswell

equality of opportunity does not mean equality of outcome, as men and women are fundamentally different, with different desires and aspirations

Not just men and women but also different groups/ethnicities have different distributions of physical and intellectual characteristics.

Even a prominent geneticist such as David Reich admitted this fact on his last book, "Who we are and how we got here" (adding some politically correct rethoric, otherwise the mob would have destroyed him, as it happened to other non woke/sjw scholars).

[Jon96]

https://globalnews.ca/news/5097399/gender-pay-gap-2019-canada-glassdoor/#:~:text=In%20the%20U.S.%2C%20women%20are,after%20 statistical%20controls%20were%20applied.

"In the U.S., women are making 95 cents for every $1 earned by comparably qualified men.
In ALL countries, the gender pay gap shrank but did not disappear even after statistical controls were applied."

Women are getting paid less than men for equally qualified jobs. Not sure why there is a debate about this...

[Hektor12]

WTF?

Child abuse.

[Geschichte]

Just an article from a reputable source:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/08/01/are-women-paid-less-than-men-for-the-same-work

"Are women paid less than men for the same work?
When all job differences are accounted for, the pay gap almost disappears"

There can be other non observed factors (ability to negotiate, career changes/moves between companies etc).

[Jon96]

Just an article from a reputable source:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/08/01/are-women-paid-less-than-men-for-the-same-work

"Are women paid less than men for the same work?
When all job differences are accounted for, the pay gap almost disappears"

There can be other non observed factors (ability to negotiate, career changes/moves between companies etc).

Did you look at my source? It's more recent and more detail. I can't even access your source(it's paid). And yes, the wage difference isn't that great, but men still get paid more.

[Zeno]

https://globalnews.ca/news/5097399/gender-pay-gap-2019-canada-glassdoor/#:~:text=In%20the%20U.S.%2C%20women%20are,after%20 statistical%20controls%20were%20applied.

"In the U.S., women are making 95 cents for every $1 earned by comparably qualified men.
In ALL countries, the gender pay gap shrank but did not disappear even after statistical controls were applied."

Women are getting paid less than men for equally qualified jobs. Not sure why there is a debate about this...

Wow, a difference of 0.1%, that is literally explained for a myriad of social and biological reasons for why this happens and is not even remotely dependent on gender solely.


They ramble about other things as well and most of it is justified. Speaking of women "literally being attacked",1 in 5 American women have experienced sexual assaults and the assaulter is usually a person they know. All demographics are equally involved. This is all from CDC.

In America, you have to consider the race. And spoilers: it's not the huwhities that do most of the gender violence. As all of violence in general.

[Aldaris]

Wow, a difference of 0.1%, that is literally explained for a myriad of social and biological reasons for why this happens and is not even remotely dependent on gender solely.

You don't have to give him any credit unless he provides something.


https://globalnews.ca/news/5097399/gender-pay-gap-2019-canada-glassdoor/#:~:text=In%20the%20U.S.%2C%20women%20are,after%20 statistical%20controls%20were%20applied.

"In the U.S., women are making 95 cents for every $1 earned by comparably qualified men.
In ALL countries, the gender pay gap shrank but did not disappear even after statistical controls were applied."

Women are getting paid less than men for equally qualified jobs. Not sure why there is a debate about this...

Granted. What's the explanation for that?

[Jon96]

Wow, a difference of 0.1%, that is literally explained for a myriad of social and biological reasons for why this happens and is not even remotely dependent on gender solely.



In America, you have to consider the race. And spoilers: it's not the huwhities that do most of the gender violence. As all of violence in general.

I won't argue much. Sorry if I offended you previously.

Anyways. That's not a 0.1 percent difference. It's more. There are more countries apart from the US in the West.

For your second point, race was considered. CDC showed it was all proportionate. Poor people (black or white) were more susceptible. I could link more but I can't be bothered. This isn't about race but gender. You're going of topic.

[Jon96]

[QUOTE=Zeno;7115423]Wow, a difference of 0.1%, that is literally explained for a myriad of social and biological reasons for why this happens and is not even remotely dependent on gender solely.



Double

[Jon96]

You don't have to give him any credit unless he provides something.



Granted. What's the explanation for that?

I did provide sources. Or did you mean Zeno?

For the Website:
"That four per cent difference remains “unexplained,” according to Glassdoor, meaning that it’s due to a variable the company cannot account for based on information in its dataset. It could be attributed to “factors such as workplace bias"

This is the most recent and largest scale study btw.

[JamesBond007]

For your second point, race was considered. CDC showed it was all proportionate. Poor people (black or white) were more susceptible. I could link more but I can't be bothered. This isn't about race but gender. You're going of topic.

CDC ? You need to interpret government statistics yourself are you lazy or something ? Are you a crypto Jew ? "jon' sounds Jewish but not 'John' per se.:picard2:

BTW, you are wrong (implying poor whites commit such crimes equal to blacks) but that is off topic.

[Aldaris]

I did provide sources. Or did you mean Zeno?

For the Website:
"That four per cent difference remains “unexplained,” according to Glassdoor, meaning that it’s due to a variable the company cannot account for based on information in its dataset. It could be attributed to “factors such as workplace bias"

This is the most recent and largest scale study btw.

I meant you, pal. Yeah, sure, those are the data. I'm not trying to dispute them because I don't even have to. I asked you for an explanation for why this is a thing in the first place.

[Geschichte]

double

[Geschichte]

Did you look at my source? It's more recent and more detail. I can't even access your source(it's paid). And yes, the wage difference isn't that great, but men still get paid more.

Can you see the image? https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/618/90/sites/default/files/20170805_WOC360.png

This is a quote from the article that you've linked:

"That four per cent difference remains “unexplained,” according to Glassdoor, meaning that it’s due to a variable the company cannot account for based on information in its dataset. It could be attributed to “factors such as workplace bias (whether intentional or not), negotiation gaps between men and women and/or other unobserved worker characteristics,” the company said in a statement."

Negotiation gaps, aka different distribution of negotiating abilities.
Other=men are generally more willing to work (or be avaible) extra hours, more 'flexible' (lateral moves more frequent etc) etc.


Let's analyze the case where there's a clearer (with less unobservable/confounding factors) relationship between job duties/productivity per hour worked and wage.

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explained-entirely-by-work-choices-of-men-and-women/

Harvard Study: "Gender Wage Gap" Explained Entirely by Work Choices of Men and Women

The “gender wage gap” is as real as unicorns and has been killed more times than Michael Myers.

A New Study Out of Harvard
Remember, if we truly want to measure the impact of sexism on male and female relative earnings, we want to look at men and women doing exactly the same job at exactly the same place. Fortunately, a new study by Valentin Bolotnyy and Natalia Emanuel of Harvard University—again, listed in that order because that is how they are presented in their paper—does just this.

And yet, even here, Emanuel and Bolotnyy find that female train and bus operators earn less than their male counterparts.

They look at data from the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA). This is a union shop with uniform hourly wages where men and women adhere to the same rules and receive the same benefits. Workers are promoted on the basis of seniority rather than performance, and male and female workers of the same seniority have the same choices for scheduling, routes, vacation, and overtime. There is almost no scope here for a sexist boss to favor men over women.

And yet, even here, Emanuel and Bolotnyy find that female train and bus operators earn less than their male counterparts. From this observation, they go looking for possible causes, examining time cards and scheduling from 2011 to 2017 and factoring in sex, age, date of hire, tenure, and whether an employee was married or had dependents.

They find that male train and bus drivers worked about 83 percent more overtime than their female colleagues and were twice as likely to accept an overtime shift—which pays time-and-a-half—on short notice and that around twice as many women as men never took overtime. The male workers took 48 percent fewer unpaid hours off under the Family Medical Leave Act each year. Female workers were more likely to take less desirable routes if it meant working fewer nights, weekends, and holidays. Parenthood turns out to be an important factor. Fathers were more likely than childless men to want the extra cash from overtime, and mothers were more likely to want time off than childless women.

“The gap can be explained entirely by the fact that, while having the same choice sets in the workplace, women and men make different choices.”

In other words, the difference in male and female earnings at the MBTA was explained by those “so-called ‘women’s choices,’” which Hartmann and Rose so easily dismissed.

“The gap of $0.89 in our setting,” the authors concluded, “can be explained entirely by the fact that, while having the same choice sets in the workplace, women and men make different choices.”

The “gender wage gap” is as real as unicorns and has been killed more times than Michael Myers. Yet politicians feel the need to genuflect before this phantom figure. President Obama’s White House was obsessed with that ridiculous 80-cent number. Let us substitute the quest for phantoms with serious research into the causes of relative incomes.

[Jon96]

Can you see the image? https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/618/90/sites/default/files/20170805_WOC360.png

This is a quote from the article that you've linked:

"That four per cent difference remains “unexplained,” according to Glassdoor, meaning that it’s due to a variable the company cannot account for based on information in its dataset. It could be attributed to “factors such as workplace bias (whether intentional or not), negotiation gaps between men and women and/or other unobserved worker characteristics,” the company said in a statement."

Negotiation gaps, aka different distribution of negotiating abilities.
Other=men are generally more willing to work (or be avaible) extra hours, more 'flexible' (lateral moves more frequent etc) etc.


Let's analyze the case where there's a clearer (with less unobservable/confounding factors) relationship between job duties/productivity per hour worked and wage.

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-study-gender-pay-gap-explained-entirely-by-work-choices-of-men-and-women/

Harvard Study: "Gender Wage Gap" Explained Entirely by Work Choices of Men and Women

The “gender wage gap” is as real as unicorns and has been killed more times than Michael Myers.

A New Study Out of Harvard
Remember, if we truly want to measure the impact of sexism on male and female relative earnings, we want to look at men and women doing exactly the same job at exactly the same place. Fortunately, a new study by Valentin Bolotnyy and Natalia Emanuel of Harvard University—again, listed in that order because that is how they are presented in their paper—does just this.

And yet, even here, Emanuel and Bolotnyy find that female train and bus operators earn less than their male counterparts.

They look at data from the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA). This is a union shop with uniform hourly wages where men and women adhere to the same rules and receive the same benefits. Workers are promoted on the basis of seniority rather than performance, and male and female workers of the same seniority have the same choices for scheduling, routes, vacation, and overtime. There is almost no scope here for a sexist boss to favor men over women.

And yet, even here, Emanuel and Bolotnyy find that female train and bus operators earn less than their male counterparts. From this observation, they go looking for possible causes, examining time cards and scheduling from 2011 to 2017 and factoring in sex, age, date of hire, tenure, and whether an employee was married or had dependents.

They find that male train and bus drivers worked about 83 percent more overtime than their female colleagues and were twice as likely to accept an overtime shift—which pays time-and-a-half—on short notice and that around twice as many women as men never took overtime. The male workers took 48 percent fewer unpaid hours off under the Family Medical Leave Act each year. Female workers were more likely to take less desirable routes if it meant working fewer nights, weekends, and holidays. Parenthood turns out to be an important factor. Fathers were more likely than childless men to want the extra cash from overtime, and mothers were more likely to want time off than childless women.

“The gap can be explained entirely by the fact that, while having the same choice sets in the workplace, women and men make different choices.”

In other words, the difference in male and female earnings at the MBTA was explained by those “so-called ‘women’s choices,’” which Hartmann and Rose so easily dismissed.

“The gap of $0.89 in our setting,” the authors concluded, “can be explained entirely by the fact that, while having the same choice sets in the workplace, women and men make different choices.”

The “gender wage gap” is as real as unicorns and has been killed more times than Michael Myers. Yet politicians feel the need to genuflect before this phantom figure. President Obama’s White House was obsessed with that ridiculous 80-cent number. Let us substitute the quest for phantoms with serious research into the causes of relative incomes.

My source is worldwide(data for all countries), more recent and much larger as well. The difference is unexplained in my source. It even says gender bias may be a reason. The rest you are just speculating. The data collectors found a variety of reasons, but they couldn't pinpoint just one specifically.

Your study is literally done on just bus and train workers with a much smaller sample size and only in the US and a year older than my source...https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/bolotnyy/files/be_gendergap.pdf

https://wappp.hks.harvard.edu/3-things-you-should-know-about-gender-pay-gap
Since you're so obssessed with Harvard, here you go mate. More recent. Look at point number 2.
"Men are favored in certain jobs and those jobs that are dominated by men tend to be higher paying".

Look at point 3. gender discrimantion.

I'm tired of derailing the thread. If you want to continue, PM me, but my argument goes much more into depth and even uses a more up-to-date and better studied Harvard source. Hannah Bowes and Roy E Larson are more qualified as well and they use a host of other sources. But like I said, feel free to PM me.

[Laly]

and in pre-Islamic Arabia they buried alive a number of newborn females.



One must be very cautious with this statement concerning pre-Islamic Arabia. It’s only from Islamic sources, which are late and it presupposes a polytheistic Arabia, which is in contradiction with the most recent historical data, including the archaeological one. It’s most probably just part of an apologetic construct meant to create a contrast between the time of the so-called “jahiliyyah” and that of Islam, which is supposed to have improved the Arabic mores.

[IrisSelene]

I agree and I have been saying this for years. I have seen countless of documentaries on women who ACTUALLY need feminism.

I have seen even actual arab women on Twitter calling the western feminists out on their hypocrisy bc they never do anything to help them who are actually at a higher disadvantage... And suffering honor killings.

It's sad...

Also, about kidnappings in Kyrgyzstan... Where if a guy likes a girl he just fuckim kidnaps her and marries her and her parents can't do shit about it.

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[Jon96]

I agree and I have been saying this for years. I have seen countless of documentaries on women who ACTUALLY need feminism.

I have seen even actual arab women on Twitter calling the western feminists out on their hypocrisy bc they never do anything to help them who are actually at a higher disadvantage... And suffering honor killings.

It's sad...

Also, about kidnappings in Kyrgyzstan... Where if a guy likes a girl he just fuckim kidnaps her and marries her and her parents can't do shit about it.

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Women in the West need it just as bad. 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted in North America. Just because it isn't as bad, doesn't mean it's not a problem and it's incorrect to suggest that.

[IrisSelene]

Women in the West need it just as bad. 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted in North America. Just because it isn't as bad, doesn't mean it's not a problem and it's incorrect to suggest that.Yes, but most of the ones I know don't focus on those things, but silly details, like body positivity bullshit.

And being mad at people that always ask when they will have kids, as if its not just a natural thing.

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[Laly]

Also, about kidnappings in Kyrgyzstan... Where if a guy likes a girl he just fuckim kidnaps her and marries her and her parents can't do shit about it.



Although it was condemned by the law, marriages through the abduction of a woman were not uncommon in the (early) Western Middle Ages. It was a kind of necessity in a society where competition, alliance strategies and the imperatives of vengeance leave little room for individual choices. And it’s very funny because in French, you have to same word to say “delighted” and “abducted”: “ravi”. It comes from the fact that the abduction of a woman happened to be very positive for her. It could be rejoicing for her as in fact, her “boyfriend” could marry her that way, her parents having to face a fait accompli. But from the Carolingian epoch, because of the Church, it became severely punished and the practice disappeared.

[Jon96]

Yes, but most of the ones I know don't focus on those things, but silly details, like body positivity bullshit.

And being mad at people that always ask when they will have kids, as if its not just a natural thing.

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I've gone into great detail and linked many studies. I could do it again. Body positivity is against the objectification of women. Objectifying women leads to rape. I've linked the study before and it's common sense as well.

Couples get mad when you ask when they are having babies because many times they are trying and fertility issues make it hard for them. Why should people "always ask when they are having babies"? That's annoying AF and none of their business anyways.

[calxpal]

I 100% agree this is a HUGE problem feminists almost never address real issues of pressing and strong moral concern, I would respect them a lot more if they did. And to add insult to injury nowadays tons of feminists do not even live up to their values or what they post on Facebook.....too many are hypocritical as well and some have basically become keyboard warriors and I have seen examples of this from real life.