"Why don't Moors show up on ancestry test?"

[Rafael Passoni]

I read this question on a forum, but people don't answer properly. I think it shows as SSA, West Asian and North African (Y haplogroups), is it that?

[Luso]

I think I know what you're asking? So... to put it simply the Iberian category on tests like AncestryDNA, 23andMe includes in their algorithm an avg North African, West Asian percentage that Spaniards or Portuguese score. If you fit this NA/WA average it will not show up separately from the Iberian you score on the test. Hypothetically, if you do score higher than avg in NA/WA then it will show up as its own category.

Personally, I found my dad scores slightly higher NA percentage than an avg Portuguese thanks to Gedmatch, and on 23andMe it gives him 1.2% NA. So that is a good way to check.

[Alexandro]

It shows up as Iberian Peninsula :icon_yes:

Don't you know, we live in الأَنْدَلُس‎.

ٱلسَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُمْ‎

[Hamilcar]

I think I know what you're asking? So... to put it simply the Iberian category on tests like AncestryDNA, 23andMe includes in their algorithm an avg North African, West Asian percentage that Spaniards or Portuguese score. If you fit this NA/WA average it will not show up separately from the Iberian you score on the test. Hypothetically, if you do score higher than avg in NA/WA then it will show up as its own category.

Personally, I found my dad scores slightly higher NA percentage than an avg Portuguese thanks to Gedmatch, and on 23andMe it gives him 1.2% NA. So that is a good way to check.

Exactly the same way many north africans don't score any ssa on these tests because it's already included in their north african samples.

[Rafael Passoni]

Original post: https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/why-dont-moors-show-up-on-ancestry-test.1526510/

My brother scored 1.6% Guijarati on DNA land too.

[RicoSuave]

Anatolia Neolithic Farmers has good dose of SSA because it was found in the ancient samples in Turkey, Greece coast they consider a low level African ancestry native in Europe. Just a propaganda.

[Petalpusher]

It will only show as excess of what group you already score. For example if you are 95% English and 5% SSA, you have less SSA than if you score 50% English and 50% NA, yet in this case it won't show you any. Until you run some deeper autosomal breaking down those groups into more ethnic components. In your case you probably have no more than 2-3% running it deep.

Anatolia Neolithic Farmers has good dose of SSA because it was found in the ancient samples in Turkey, Greece coast they consider a low level African ancestry native in Europe. Just a propaganda.

That's actually the most distant thing to SSA (and to East Asians), this is why it sits at the extremity of the West Eurasian cluster. The fact that some rich enf groups score or scored some SSA shows this exactly since it separates the SSA from the ENF and not hides in it. Imagine Chineses or Japaneses don't exist presently, you wouldn't assume all East Asians had australoid components just because you look at southeast asians now.

[Chaos One]

Because tests are overall technically limited. Same way that for example some tests put almost entire Central Asia as "South Asia" or cannot make good numbers if you're Iberian x Italian mixed, etc. There's a gap, maybe because they cannot make proper distincions already or maybe because the number of samples from those groups still small enough to not make those distinctions (or both things).

I saw so many results on my tests being weirdly mixed that I cannot just take any for granted at all. Even knowing that both my African backgrounds are related to "Moors" (Moroccan and Hausa).

[RatCat]

Original post: https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/why-dont-moors-show-up-on-ancestry-test.1526510/



LOL these comments. xD


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[Sebastianus Rex]

Original post: https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/why-dont-moors-show-up-on-ancestry-test.1526510/

My brother scored 1.6% Guijarati on DNA land too.

And you don't? If so, it's noise. Genetically brothers should have the same results.

[Scandal]

Genetically brothers should have the same results.

No

[Rafael Passoni]

No, I don't. DNA Land shows Guijarati only in my brother. My father and my mother don't have Guajarati too (according to DNA Land). Now I learned that I can run it deeper and break down into more ethnic components (Where?Gedmatch?). I and my brother belong 4 Euro countries. I think it showed as excess in my brother because he inheired more from groups were it isn't usual and it clearly show as excess. My father belong 3 Euro countries (Western) and my mother 3 too (Eastern). So maybe DNA land's algoritm was unable too break it properly. I posted it just by curiosity and because the author of the original post has got nonsense answers. But I learnt a lot here and I became more curious about me now. Very interesting. I guess his Guajarati in from is Turkish side.

[Sebastianus Rex]

No, I don't. DNA Land shows Guijarati only in my brother. My father and my mother don't have Guajarati too (according to DNA Land). Now I learned that I can run it deeper and break down into more ethnic components (Where?Gedmatch?). I and my brother belong 4 Euro countries. I think it showed as excess in my brother because he inheired more from groups were it isn't usual and it clearly show as excess. My father belong 3 Euro countries (Western) and my mother 3 too (Eastern). So maybe DNA land's algoritm was unable too break it properly. I posted it just by curiosity and because the author of the original post has got nonsense answers. But I learnt a lot here and I became more curious about me now. Very interesting. I guess his Guajarati in from is Turkish side.

Possibly not from the eastern part, do you have portuguese ancestry and if so how far back?

[Rafael Passoni]

I can trace my ancestry until 1800 after I talked with my relatives in France, Italy and Spain, except my Turco-French great-grandpa (I know very little about him). So I'm talking to my mother's DNA matches on MyHeritage's and colecting information yet and some of them replied my messages. But my mother didn't score Turkish, Syrian, Lebanese or Armenian on MyHeritage (the 'Turks'), so I started to search a reasoning explanation. However, she has 65 French DNA matches and some of them are strong matches (around 49 centimorgans), and her French 3rd cousins have a French surname that can be found near my great-grandma's house, which suggests my great-grandpa really was a Turco-French. So, according to my family tree I don't have Portuguese ancestors, but I have Spanish ancestors from Guazamara and Catalonia.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I can trace my ancestry until 1800 after I talked with my relatives in France, Italy and Spain, except my Turco-French great-grandpa (I know very little about him). So I'm talking to my mother's DNA matches on MyHeritage's and colecting information yet and some of them replied my messages. But my mother didn't score Turkish, Syrian, Lebanese or Armenian on MyHeritage (the 'Turks'), so I started to search a reasoning explanation. However, she has 65 French DNA matches and some of them are strong matches (around 49 centimorgans), and her French 3rd cousins have a French surname that can be found near my great-grandma's house, which suggests my great-grandpa really was a Turco-French. So, according to my family tree I don't have Portuguese ancestors, but I have Spanish ancestors from Guazamara and Catalonia.

Ok, I asked because if you had Portuguese ancestry, especially colonial, that gujarati input could be related to it. Portugal held possessions in that region (Diu) until the 20th century and it is established that mixed Portuguese-Indian ( mainly goan/goese) settlers also colonized Brazil...as well as the East Fri and provinces later on (Mozambique), where there's still a significant population of Indian ancestry.

In your family case the Ottoman branch might explain it.

[Rafael Passoni]

Interesting. I thought possibly my brother has got some Romani blood or Ashkenazi/ Sephardic Jew blood as my father has got it, or it's just noise, but I think noise is a number below 1%. I'll analise my family raw data on GedMatch and look if South Asian and South Central Asian scores in Eurogenes K36 are zero or no. I want to know how to run it deeper and break down into more ethnic components. :confused:

[gixajo]

Exactly the same way many north africans don't score any ssa on these tests because it's already included in their north african samples.

Do you have also some Iberian include in your NA?

[Hamilcar]

Do you have also some Iberian include in your NA?

I think their NA samples are mozabites so the iberian admixture is small, therefore the iberian score tend to appear for coastal north africans