What explains the disappearance of Haplogroup C1a2 in Europe

[Illyrius]

So i saw this ancient paleolithic human skulls thread and it got me wondering about something.
What exactly caused this once major haplogroup's extinction in Europe. Why did it thrive in central and east asia but perished in the west?
Does anyone have any theories or conclusions about it?

I'm really curious right now I'd love to learn more about this odd haplogroup.

[Linebacker]

Mixing. It was mixed out of existence or they all died.

Due to their lifestyle native Hunter-Gatheres were a very small population in comparison to Farmers who could sustain a much larger population and also ANE Indo-Europeans who herded animals.

Kinda how Native Americans are almost completely dissapeared today, the scenario may have been very similar.

[Illyrius]

Mixing. It was mixed out of existence or they all died.

Due to their lifestyle native Hunter-Gatheres were a very small population in comparison to Farmers who could sustain a much larger population and also ANE Indo-Europeans who herded animals.

Kinda how Native Americans are almost completely dissapeared today, the scenario may have been very similar.

I see i see..i get the picture now. Everything is coming together and makes sense

[Linebacker]

But again we don't know how sparse exactly it is, with the current amount testing that has been done a very tiny percentage of Europeans still do carry C1.

But referring back to this post:

Its still very debatable which haplogroup is actually most dominant both Ydna and Mtdna.

The percentages of haplogroups for most countries are calculated from very little people actually tested. For example the entire Ydna and Mtdna statistic of Bulgaria is derived from 1000 people. 1000 people of 8 million. The ratio for the other countries is usually similar.

So nobody knows what the Ydna and Mtdna map of Europe would actually look like if every person was tested.

If higher percentages of people get tested in may turn out C1 is nowhere near as disappeared as we think it is. Might actually be out there in decent quantities.

[Rethel]

Mixing with I, then overpopulating by G, and then R-made cleansing.

[Illyrius]

Mixing with I, then overpopulating by G, and then R-made cleansing.

What did C1 people look like??

[Unknown European]

C-V20 is not extinct it still shows up in 1 in every few thousand Europeans

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A way you can look at this is that in a database of 197,362 modern men 47 showed up as belonging to C-V20 So that's about 1 in 4,200

However not all of the 197,362 modern men list a place in Europe as where their earliest known paternal ancestors came from nor did 3 of the 47 men.

Looking at all the other info I can find it seems the frequency of C-V20 in Europe is probably between 1 in every 1500-4500 modern Europeans

[Rethel]

What did C1 people look like??

Probably something like aboriginals and veddoids.

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

Probably something like aboriginals and veddoids.

you think this is how WHG looked ? (but with blue eyes)

[Rethel]

you think this is how WHG looked ? (but with blue eyes)

+/-. Rosbust body, squere face, black skin (and eyes!), caucasoid features.
Look at Melanesians or dark Polinesians. They look often very caucasian, similarly like Veddoids and Dravidians, but are big, robust.
I and C folk were something similar, but original C folk was probably more australolid, like C-brothers in Asia.

Original WHG has no blue eyes. Blue eyes appeard at the very end of their separate existance and with EHG (i.e. indoeuropean) admix.

[Linebacker]

+/-. Rosbust body, squere face, black skin (and eyes!), caucasoid features.
Look at Melanesians or dark Polinesians. They look often very caucasian, similarly like Veddoids and Dravidians, but are big, robust.
I and C folk were something similar, but original C folk was probably more australolid, like C-brothers in Asia.

Original WHG has no blue eyes. Blue eyes appeard at the very end of their separate existance and with EHG (i.e. indoeuropean) admix.

Blue eyes did not come from Indian-Europeans for the 10,000 time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxJ016xb4Q

[Illyrius]

Blue eyes did not come from Indian-Europeans for the 10,000 time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxJ016xb4Q
Rethel is a pan Indo European supermscist

[Rethel]

Blue eyes did not come from Indian-Europeans

I know, that you used to only brainlessly repeat what some unknown people, whom you did not even see, said, and logic is foreign to you, but I will try also this time:

You have people, who live through many years (according to your insane belive some 38,000 years) who has no blue eyes, and no EHG admix.
Then you have people at the very end of existance (acc. to your idols last 1000-3000 years) who have blue eyes and have EHG admix.
And you know, that EHG people have blue eyes, which they spread around the world.

What is logical conclusion, hmmm?


for the 10,000 time.

So many times your idols changed the theory and time, when and where the blue eyes emerged.



Rethel is a pan Indo European supermscist

What is supremacist in what I have said?

[Linebacker]

You just discredit yourself further and further with this Bible talk.

Records of early human existence have been found as old as 2 million years and this man over here still thinking the world was created in 7 days 5000 years ago cause some book written by some stoner on hashish told him so.

[Rethel]

You just discredit yourself further and further with this Bible talk.

I didn't even mention her, but if you are bothered, it means, you are guilty and you know it.

Maybe you didn't understand, but I was talking about something totaly else, and then, you used a different topic, to pretend, that you being wrong is not an issue.


Records of early human existence have been found as old as 2 million years

Where did you found it and how did you count the age?


and this man over here still thinking the world was created in 7 days 5000 years ago cause some book written by some stoner on hashish told him so.

Yes, because this book is proven to be right, and more than that, even if would be not, then evolutionism is proven to be wrong anyway. Even atheists see the insanity of this cult, and do not belive in that. But you of course are not aware of that.

[vbnetkhio]

So i saw this ancient paleolithic human skulls thread and it got me wondering about something.
What exactly caused this once major haplogroup's extinction in Europe. Why did it thrive in central and east asia but perished in the west?
Does anyone have any theories or conclusions about it?

I'm really curious right now I'd love to learn more about this odd haplogroup.

The expansion of I2 in the middle/late neolithic.
Early neoltihic European farmers still had sigificant C.

https://indo-european.eu/ancient-dna/

check out the neoltihic samples from Croatia, Hungary, Bulgaria.

[PaleoEuropean]

Mixing. It was mixed out of existence or they all died.

Due to their lifestyle native Hunter-Gatheres were a very small population in comparison to Farmers who could sustain a much larger population and also ANE Indo-Europeans who herded animals.

Kinda how Native Americans are almost completely dissapeared today, the scenario may have been very similar.

yea we don't know how many C people there actually were. Haplgroup I was a tiny fraction before they mixed with Farmers and Herders. If farmers and Herders never arrived I would most likely have gone extinct too at least in western Europe which was much harsher that the Balkans. 90+% of the I2 lineages came out of the Balkans and Southern Europe during the Neolithic and repopulated Europe. People think that there were these massive groups of HG's but they were unimaginably small groups in North and West Europe. In places like Britain they were founded by 1-10 people who survived extinction events.

[PaleoEuropean]

Also it seems that the Berbers have the highest density of C-V20 so it's likely they moved south in the west as if I remember right, C-v20 was found mostly in Spain

[Linebacker]

You have people, who live through many years (according to your insane belive some 38,000 years) who has no blue eyes, and no EHG admix.
Then you have people at the very end of existance (acc. to your idols last 1000-3000 years) who have blue eyes and have EHG admix.
And you know, that EHG people have blue eyes, which they spread around the world.

Where exactly are these EHG-admixed blue eyed WHG? Both La Brana and Loschbour were identified as the earliest carriers of HERC2 light eyes and they are both 100% WHG.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml




What is logical conclusion, hmmm?

The logical conclusion is you know nothing.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/772/673/059.gif

[Rethel]

If farmers and Herders never arrived I would most likely have gone extinct too at least in western Europe

Yea, and if Steppe people would slay one or two villages more, there would be no I1, and no so called "balkan I2".


Where exactly are these EHG-admixed blue eyed WHG?

All known late WHG are.