Romanians vs Hungarians : which ethnicity has more Slavic admixture?

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[Blondie]

Hungarians for sure.

[Crn Volk]

Hungarians

[Jana]

Hungarians, but difference is minor, much smaller than people think.

Distance: 0.0990% / 0.09895873
Target: Hungarian

55.9 Slavic
27.8 Vlach
15.4 Germanic
0.9 Turkic

Distance: 0.3892% / 0.38915681
Target: Romanian

50.2 Vlach
48.0 Slavic
1.1 Alan
0.7 Turkic

[Scandal]

Hungarians, but difference is minor, much smaller than people think.

Distance: 0.0990% / 0.09895873
Target: Hungarian

55.9 Slavic
27.8 Vlach
15.4 Germanic
0.9 Turkic

Distance: 0.3892% / 0.38915681
Target: Romanian

50.2 Vlach
48.0 Slavic
1.1 Alan
0.7 Turkic

Yes, however these models can be misleading to some people because Hungarians (except the ones in Romania) probably don't have much Vlach ancestry.
What about Moldovan people? From Romania and the Republic? I think they're more Slavic than Romanians, maybe as much as Hungarians.

[Varda]

Hungarian of course. They are most Slavic people genetically among non-Slavic speakers.

[Scandal]

Hungarian of course. They are most Slavic people genetically among non-Slavic speakers.

I think population of republic Moldova is as slavic as Hungarians.

[Blondie]

I think population of republic Moldova is as slavic as Hungarians.

To be honest i doubt.

[Scandal]

Hungarians, but difference is minor, much smaller than people think.

Distance: 0.0990% / 0.09895873
Target: Hungarian

55.9 Slavic
27.8 Vlach
15.4 Germanic
0.9 Turkic

Distance: 0.3892% / 0.38915681
Target: Romanian

50.2 Vlach
48.0 Slavic
1.1 Alan
0.7 Turkic

Hungarian avarage doesn't include Hungarians from Romania. If it did, the result could be a little different.

[Ion Basescul]

Hungarians are barely original Magyar and mostly assimilated local "Avars" with medieval to modern German admixture. So they have more on average.

[Varda]

Hungarians, but difference is minor, much smaller than people think.

Distance: 0.0990% / 0.09895873
Target: Hungarian

55.9 Slavic
27.8 Vlach
15.4 Germanic
0.9 Turkic

Distance: 0.3892% / 0.38915681
Target: Romanian

50.2 Vlach
48.0 Slavic
1.1 Alan
0.7 Turkic

Are Szeklers and Csangos towards the Hungarians from Hungary something like Montenegrins towards the Serbs? I am just curious.

[Blondie]

Are Szeklers and Csangos towards the Hungarians from Hungary something like Montenegrins towards the Serbs? I am just curious.

Nope, but some liberal hungarian from Hungary dislike transylvanians very much because they are Orbán voters.

[Jana]

Hungarian avarage doesn't include Hungarians from Romania. If it did, the result could be a little different.

It includes Transylvania Hungarians who aren't Szekely. So without them it would be less Vlach and more Slavic I presume.

[Jana]

Yes, however these models can be misleading to some people because Hungarians (except the ones in Romania) probably don't have much Vlach ancestry.
What about Moldovan people? From Romania and the Republic? I think they're more Slavic than Romanians, maybe as much as Hungarians.

Distance: 0.2461% / 0.24613271
Target: Moldovan

58.5 Slavic
37.2 Vlach
2.4 Turkic
1.9 Alan

[Jana]

and here are Szekelys and Csango, for those interested

Target: Székely
Distance: 0.4967% / 0.49671360

44.4 Slavic
37.8 Vlach
12.6 Germanic
5.2 Turkic


Target: Csángó-Ceangău
Distance: 0.1264% / 0.12635807

46.9 Slavic
29.8 Vlach
12.4 Germanic
8.0 Turkic
2.9 Alan

[TheMaestro]

I think population of republic Moldova is as slavic as Hungarians.

Imo even more a bit.

[ixulescu]

Hungarians certainly

[Scandal]

Hungarians certainly

Not more than Moldovans though. (from the republic)

[ixulescu]

Not more than Moldovans though. (from the republic)

I don't think so, not even if we add all Slavic minorities living in Moldova. For the moment we still lack a reliable reference for what Slavic is. I've seen what is used here and it looks very iffy.

I'm actually more interested in who's more Slavic between Hungarians and Estonians.

[Jana]

I don't think so, not even if we add all Slavic minorities living in Moldova. For the moment we still lack a reliable reference for what Slavic is. I've seen what is used here and it looks very iffy.

I'm actually more interested in who's more Slavic between Hungarians and Estonians.

Cope.

[Scandal]

Are Szeklers and Csangos towards the Hungarians from Hungary something like Montenegrins towards the Serbs? I am just curious.

There are similarities. The difference is only a minority of Montengrins identify as Serb. They literally seceded from Serbia at their own will. Székelys/Szeklers wouldn't do that, they all identify as Hungarians. They have dual identity, so they identify as Székely and Hungarian at the same time.

Csángós were historically ethnic Hungarians who spoke Hungarian, I heard recently they started to declare themselves as "Romanian catholics", even though racially and genetically they're more like Hungarians than Romanians, they have high east asian+Siberian admixture. So they could have more conqueror ancestry than avarage Hungarian from Hungary. Csángós are a minor group, I don't konw much about them to be honest. According to wikipedia there are around 300,000 of them and 90,000 speaks Hungarian. They live in Moldova region of Romania.

Not all ethnic Hungarians who live in Romania are Székely or Csángó, there are also 'simple Hungarians' there who are just ethnic Hungarians.

[Kökény]

There are similarities. The difference is only a minority of Montengrins identify as Serb. They literally seceded from Serbia at their own will. Székelys/Szeklers wouldn't do that, they all identify as Hungarians. They have dual identity, so they identify as Székely and Hungarian at the same time.
I have yet to meet a Székely that doesn't identify as a Hungarian at all. If you ask them how do they identify, the answer is gonna be either Székely (which is already Hungarian) or Székely Hungarian.

There's probably a handful of hardcore Székely nationalists that doesn't, I think it's due to the legends of descending from the Hunnic empire, therefore coming from different roots than the Magyars. Or whatever other reasons.

It's stupid if you ask me, since Székelys don't have their own language, they speak Hungarian. Even if Székelys have different roots (or not), they became part of the Hungarian nation and remain the proudest members of it to this day. There's no reason to separate the two. As long as Székelys themselfs don't feel the need of it, which is not gonna happen.

[Dunai]

Hungarian avarage doesn't include Hungarians from Romania. If it did, the result could be a little different.

It does include those from Transylvania (minus Székelys), but only proportionally to their numbers within the entire Hungarian ethnicity (ca. 5%).

To those curious how I calculated the proportional average for Hungarians, this is how the major regions contributed based on how many people declared themselves as Hungarians at the last census:
Transdanubia+Budapest (including Hungarians in Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, and partially Slovakia): 52.6
Transylvania: 4.7
Alföld (including Hungarians in Serbia and partially Romania): 28.4
Northern (including Hungarians in Ukraine and partially Slovakia): 14.3

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It does include those from Transylvania (minus Székelys), but only proportionally to their numbers within the entire Hungarian ethnicity (ca. 5%).

To those curious how I calculated the proportional average for Hungarians, this is how the major regions contributed based on how many people declared themselves as Hungarians at the last census:
Transdanubia+Budapest (including Hungarians in Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, and partially Slovakia): 52.6
Transylvania: 4.7
Alföld (including Hungarians in Serbia and partially Romania): 28.4
Northern (including Hungarians in Ukraine and partially Slovakia): 14.3

Why include Hungarians from everywhere in the Hungarian avarage but exclude Székelys?

[Dunai]

Why include Hungarians from everywhere in the Hungarian avarage but exclude Székelys?

Since they have their own very category, it's as if we would include Austrians and Swiss Germans into the German ethnic average. I mean it is true that they have dual Hungarian and Székely identity, but besides Csángós they are the only Hungarian sub-group that have an independent and historically-culturally well defined identity so I want to respect this by having them in a separate category. It doesn't make them less Hungarian in my opinion by not including them into the Hungarian average, but I agree it is a border line decision. Besides, I followed a similar practice done in various genetic publications about Hungarians, in which they always treated the Székely cluster as a different case from Hungarians, worthy to be analyzed separately.

[Roy]

Hungarians, no two ways about. Most Hungarians can pass as Poles, I can't say the same about Romanians.