What's the highest amount of Mongoloid someone from Turkey can score?

[Zanzibar]

Im curious. Is it like 20-25%?

[TheMaestro]

0% from what I've seen they are all Atlantids and their women wear skirts.

[Linebacker]

I am Bulgarian and I score more East Asian>Mongoloid(2%) than the average Turk.

When you look at Turkish 23andme they usually score around 0.5/1/1.5%.

[Zanzibar]

I am Bulgarian and I score more East Asian>Mongoloid(2%) than the average Turk.

When you look at Turkish 23andme they usually score around 0.5/1/1.5%.

From what I heard the Turkish 23andme data already include those who have a good amount of Mongoloid ancestry so that's why they don't show much Mong.

Its similar to Ethiopians and Somalians scoring almost 100% East African on 23andme and hardly show any Caucasoid when in fact they are like half West Eurasian genetically or SE Asians showing very little Indian admix in 23andme when in fact they have a lot of South Asian ancestry

[Altaylı]

I am Bulgarian and I score more East Asian>Mongoloid(2%) than the average Turk.

When you look at Turkish 23andme they usually score around 0.5/1/1.5%.

Lol Is source your ass?
Ethnic Turks score 5% to 20% mongoloid

[Altaylı]

Yes highest amount is 20% mongoloid.
We Turks are clearly Turkic even some Turkish score more Turkic than some Kazakhs.

[Linebacker]

Lol Is source your ass?
Ethnic Turks score 5% to 20% mongoloid

Source is 23andme reddit and the pictures that come out when you search the turkish results.

Most come predominantly Mena with 1/3 Euro and around 1% Mongoloid.

[Zanzibar]

Lol Is source your ass?
Ethnic Turks score 5% to 20% mongoloid

Can Turks score up to 25% or 30% East Asian/Mong? That would be quapa level.

[Altaylı]

Source is 23andme reddit and the pictures that come out when you search the turkish results.

Most come predominantly Mena with 1/3 Euro and around 1% Mongoloid.
Ok so source is your ass
Here is Turkish with 20% mongoloid (from western turkey)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZa1VeXimmeHVzOjSrG0cmZUGvOTNjm itutw&usqp=CAU

[Altaylı]

Can Turks score up to 25% or 30% East Asian/Mong? That would be quapa level.

Nope i didn't see before 30% east eurasian Turkish
Probably highest amount mongoloid is 20-22% in Turkey

[Zanzibar]

Nope i didn't see before 30% east eurasian Turkish
Probably highest amount mongoloid is 20-22% in Turkey

If someone score like 30% would this mean he/she has recent Central Asian ancestry? I heard there were some recent Uighur, Kyrgyz migrants in Turkey. Do they intermarried with Turks?

[reboun]

Most come predominantly Mena with 1/3 Euro and around 1% Mongoloid.

Well, it depends since a lot of Turkish people might have different immigration backgrounds.

[Linebacker]

Ok so source is your ass
Here is Turkish with 20% mongoloid (from western turkey)
https://encrypted-tbn0.g9GcRZa1VeXimmeHVzOjSrG0cmZUGvOTNjmitutw&usqp=CAU

I could fill the entire thread just from the Reddit pics. These are just common examples. Check the reddit and it is seen most Turks have minimal East Asian.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-db680994e4f0d3f24b2a0958ccd79d28

https://i.imgur.com/WQSfUDK.png

https://i.ibb.co/Zz6w1hr/48-F98084-173-D-4096-AB6-A-13-A0-C7-CA71-CD.png

https://i.ibb.co/Zz6w1hr/48-F98084-173-D-4096-AB6-A-13-A0-C7-CA71-CD.png

https://i.redd.it/shzu49hi6x531.jpg

https://i.redd.it/1xgxfopxywe21.jpg

This one is a bit higher than average
https://i.hizliresim.com/gXMpr5.jpg

A Turk with pred Balkan ancestry
https://i.imgur.com/R6C7MO0.png

[Lemminkäinen]

Source is 23andme reddit and the pictures that come out when you search the turkish results.

Most come predominantly Mena with 1/3 Euro and around 1% Mongoloid.

23andMe is the most unreliable source as to anyone's ancestry. There are two reasons

- they use almost random national references
- they don't use global references at all as a primary reference

Throw the 23andMe as far away as you can, download the data and use for example Eurogenes K13 and K15.

[Kaspias]

I could fill the entire thread just from the Reddit pics.



Yeah, that's why we don't take all these 23andme stuff seriously. Simultaneously that's why the members recommended you to use Gedmatch. You prefer to miss all these DNA projects that are administrated by the community as well as recent articles, but believing "Reddit 23andme stuff." You had better keep silent then because it goes to troll if you don't.


What's the highest amount of Mongoloid someone from Turkey can score?

Someone from Turkey: Crimean Nogais ~45%.
Anatolian Turks: ~20%.
Balkan Turks: ~15%.

[Leto]

23andme is totally unsuitable for that purpose. You need Gedmatch for determining the level of East or West Eurasian admixture. 23andme is based on modern people and covers only recent ancestry from the last 200-500 years.

[Linebacker]

Yeah, that's why we don't take all these 23andme stuff seriously.

Because it tells you you are MENA.

[Altaylı]

If someone score like 30% would this mean he/she has recent Central Asian ancestry
Yes or he/she can be Nogai, tatar there are a lot of Nogais and tatars in Turkey


I heard there were some recent Uighur, Kyrgyz migrants in Turkey. Do they intermarried with Turks?
Yes they do

[Zanzibar]

Yeah, that's why we don't take all these 23andme stuff seriously. Simultaneously that's why the members recommended you to use Gedmatch. You prefer to miss all these DNA projects that are administrated by the community as well as recent articles, but believing "Reddit 23andme stuff." You had better keep silent then because it goes to troll if you don't.



Someone from Turkey: Crimean Nogais ~45%.
Anatolian Turks: ~20%.
Balkan Turks: ~15%.

What percentage of the pop has more than 20% Mongoloid ancestry? And how much when it started to show in your phenotype?

[Altaylı]

I could fill the entire thread just from the Reddit pics. These are just common examples. Check the reddit and it is seen most Turks have minimal East Asian.

db680994e4f0d3f24b2a0958ccd79d28

png

They are using Turkish people as a sample in western asia this is why
You should learn to use gedmatch
Western asia, anatolian care Turkic genes in 23 andme

[Zanzibar]

Yes or he/she can be Nogai, tatar there are a lot of Nogais and tatars in Turkey


Yes they do

What percentage of the pop possess more than 20% East Asian/Mongoloid? And can you post examples of how Turks how score in the 20%+ range look like? How much East Eurasian is required for it to exhibit in your phenotype?

[Lemminkäinen]

According research Turkish people from Turkey show East Asian admixture around 4-8%, but it is not the same as Mongolian admixture or anything from the Central Asia.

[Kaspias]

Because it tells you you are MENA.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/mgqefqwSbToPe/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e474s2krpmp74xyusma3undbk8mtaa6 68d46qsbrv0a&rid=giphy.gif



What percentage of the pop has more than 20% Mongoloid ancestry? And how much when it started to show in your phenotype?

It is rare. The majority of Anatolian Turks is 10-15%, and the majority of Balkan Turks is 5-10% according to my own experience.

Phenotype is unrelated to the genome. One can be Turanid only with 2% EE for example, while the other one is straightforward Pontid with 15%.

[Altaylı]

What percentage of the pop possess more than 20% East Asian Mongoloid?
I don't know but generally Bolu and Muğla Yoruks score 20% mongoloid


And can you post examples of how Turks how score in the 20%+ range look like? How much East Eurasian is required for it to exhibit in your phenotype?
Phenotype can be everything so phenotype doesn't matter

[Zanzibar]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/mgqefqwSbToPe/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e474s2krpmp74xyusma3undbk8mtaa6 68d46qsbrv0a&rid=giphy.gif




It is rare. The majority of Anatolian Turks is 10-15%, and the majority of Balkan Turks is 5-10% according to my own experience.

Phenotype is unrelated to the genome. One can be Turanid only with 2% EE for example, while the other one is straightforward Pontid with 15%.

If they are like 20% Mongoloid up they could have recent Central Asian or Nogai and Tatar ancestry as what Altayli told me?

You are right. Indeed phenotype is not equal to genotype. Can you post some examples of Turks who done DNA tests and score 15% East Asian but doesn't show in phenotype?

[Kaspias]

If they are like 20% Mongoloid up they could have recent Central Asian or Nogai and Tatar ancestry as what Altayli told me?

You are right. Indeed phenotype is not equal to genotype. Can you post some examples of Turks who done DNA tests and score 15% East Asian but doesn't show in phenotype?

The people whom we mentioned as 20% EE is Yörüks from Bolu and Muğla, so they neither have recent Central Asian nor Tatar but directly Oghuz of Ottoman/Seljuk descent. The Tatar admixture, on the other hand, could boost individuals' East Eurasian scores too.

[Altaylı]

The people whom we mentioned as 20% EE is Yörüks from Bolu and Muğla, so they neither have recent Central Asian nor Tatar but directly Oghuz of Ottoman/Seljuk descent. The Tatar admixture, on the other hand, could boost individuals' East Eurasian scores too.

I think he meant like 30% mongoloid Turkish

If someone score like 30% would this mean he/she has recent Central Asian ancestry? I heard there were some recent Uighur, Kyrgyz migrants in Turkey. Do they intermarried with Turks?

[Kaspias]

I think he meant like 30% mongoloid Turkish

Well yeah, I would think s/he is Tatar or partly Tatar, then.

[Leto]

Phenotype is unrelated to the genome. One can be Turanid only with 2% EE for example, while the other one is straightforward Pontid with 15%.
Not totally unrelated though. The reason why the Spanish don't look like Estonians is their difference in genetics.

[Zanzibar]

According research Turkish people from Turkey show East Asian admixture around 4-8%, but it is not the same as Mongolian admixture or anything from the Central Asia.

Is that more or the same amount of East Asian that Finns have on average? Can some Finns totally lack any East Asian? What's the highest East Eurasian a Finn can score?

[itilvolga]

I am Bulgarian and I score more East Asian>Mongoloid(2%) than the average Turk.

When you look at Turkish 23andme they usually score around 0.5/1/1.5%.

Kaspias' father is fully Balkan Turk and he scores 12% Mongoloid on Gedmatch. Those who score around 1% are from Northeastern Turkey, like Trabzon and Erzurum. Otherwise I have never seen a Turk scores that small amount of Mongoloid.

[Mejgusu]

There are Yörüks who score up to 20% east eurasian, i believe there are individuals who could score even more, but i doubt more than 25%. The same counts for Manavs(former nomadic clans of NW-Anatolia). The highest east eurasian of a Turk was until now i think about 22% from Giresun(area with Chepni settlements). Turks with non Oghuz ancestry like Tatars and Nogais who belong to the Kipchak branch have often still heavily east eurasian, especially Nogais who can be around 40-45% east eurasian.

[Edgü]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JEezl8YoZjOoNqnMoha9sWdMsvIwYYmV5ccljTkhryQ

The sample Bolu3 is 20,63% East Eurasian

[Linebacker]

Kaspias' father is fully Balkan Turk and he scores 12% Mongoloid on Gedmatch. Those who score around 1% are from Northeastern Turkey, like Trabzon and Erzurum. Otherwise I have never seen a Turk scores that small amount of Mongoloid.

Even if that is true, with the history if Turkish members exaggerating their East Asian admix such claims are usually very suspicious, but still 12% is far from enough to say someone's genotype is East Asian.

In most people 10% admixture with something is completely unnoticeable phenotypically.

[Zanzibar]

The people whom we mentioned as 20% EE is Yörüks from Bolu and Muğla, so they neither have recent Central Asian nor Tatar but directly Oghuz of Ottoman/Seljuk descent. The Tatar admixture, on the other hand, could boost individuals' East Eurasian scores too.

What percentage of Turkey's population are Yoruks?

What modern pop would be the closest to the predominantly East Eurasian ancestors of Turks?

[Zanzibar]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JEezl8YoZjOoNqnMoha9sWdMsvIwYYmV5ccljTkhryQ

The sample Bolu3 is 20,63% East Eurasian

That's the highest among the samples?

Do other ethnicities in Turkey like Kurds, Lazs or Armenians also score some East Eurasian?

[Edgü]

That's the highest among the samples?

Do other ethnicities in Turkey like Kurds, Lazs or Armenians also score some East Eurasian?

Yes thats the highest one in this spreadsheet

No i don't think they have EE if they didn't mixed with Turks

[Altaylı]

That's the highest among the samples?

Do other ethnicities in Turkey like Kurds, Lazs or Armenians also score some East Eurasian?

No they score maximum %1-2
just some kurds can be 3% (probably they mixed with Turks)

[RatCat]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JEezl8YoZjOoNqnMoha9sWdMsvIwYYmV5ccljTkhryQ

The sample Bolu3 is 20,63% East Eurasian

What Trabzon_A-B-C stands for? I guess according to results Trabzon A is East Trabzon and Trabzon C is West Trabzon?

[Zoro]

Do other ethnicities in Turkey like Kurds, Lazs or Armenians also score some East Eurasian?

Since this has never been scientifically studied, this is the best place to ask these sort of questions.

They have 0% E Eurasian since they are genetically and lingusitically 100% iberomaurusian with Y-Dna A who were dumped in Asia a couple of years ago.

[Edgü]

What Trabzon_A-B-C stands for? I guess according to results Trabzon A is East Trabzon and Trabzon C is West Trabzon?

I'm not sure... Probably i can ask if you want ?

btw i got the spreadsheet from here

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20592-What-happened-to-the-Artvin-and-Ardahan-Turkish-samples-of-Turkish-DNA-Project

[Zanzibar]

Since this has never been scientifically studied, this is the best place to ask these sort of questions.

They have 0% E Eurasian since they are genetically and lingusitically 100% iberomaurusian with Y-Dna A who were dumped in Asia a couple of years ago.

Are you referring to the other ethnic minorities in Turkey? This sounds a bit trollish lol. :D

[Zoro]

Are you referring to the other ethnic minorities in Turkey? This sounds a bit trollish lol. :D

Yes i was referring to kurds, Armenians and other minorities in Turkey. I’m not trolling at all. All the studies showing all the kurd indo-iranic central asian ancestry and E Eurasian ancestry are fake scientific studies. All those scientists were paid off by Barzani to show fake results so that kurds can get good welfare in China. Even the E Asian kurdish phenotypes that kurds have are all plastic surgeries paid off by kurdish government.

Like i said they are recent 100% Iberoumaurusian genetic, phenotypic and linguistic transplants from Africa. It’s true because i said so

[Zanzibar]

Yes i was referring to kurds, Armenians and other minorities in Turkey. I’m not trolling at all. All the studies showing all the kurd indo-iranic central asian ancestry and E Eurasian ancestry are fake scientific studies. All those scientists were paid off by Barzani to show fake results so that kurds can get good welfare in China. Even the E Asian kurdish phenotypes that kurds have are all plastic surgeries paid off by kurdish government.

Like i said they are recent 100% Iberoumaurusian genetic, phenotypic and linguistic transplants from Africa. It’s true because i said so

:p :jump0000:

[Sora]

Turkey is ethnically very diverse, even there are Black minority in Turkey. You may not believe but there are some Mongoloid-looking citizens of Turkey(mainly Central Asian Turkic minorities & Crimean Tatars but there are few among ethnic Turks), I guess they are at least 2-3 million.

[Altaylı]

Even if that is true, with the history if Turkish members exaggerating their East Asian admix such claims are usually very suspicious, but still 12% is far from enough to say someone's genotype is East Asian.

In most people 10% admixture with something is completely unnoticeable phenotypically.

then my grandfather is 30% mongoloid
bro you are talking stupidly
Turkics were not 100% mongoloid we are 50% Siberian 50% Indo European.

[Edgü]

Yes highest amount is 20% mongoloid.
We Turks are clearly Turkic even some Turkish score more Turkic than some Kazakhs.

Türkiye'deki genetik mirası en Türk olan insanlarla Kazakistan'daki en az olan insanlar arasında neredeyse fark yok nereden Türkiye'dekilerin daha Türk oldukları ortaya çıkmış ?

[Altaylı]

Türkiye'deki genetik mirası en Türk olan insanlarla Kazakistan'daki en az olan insanlar arasında neredeyse fark yok nereden Türkiye'dekilerin daha Türk oldukları ortaya çıkmış ?

We Turks are clearly Turkic even someTurkish score more Turkic than some Kazakhs.
bazı kazaklar %30 Türki skorluyor
bu arada en Türk olan %40 ı geçiyor Türkiyede.

[Altaylı]

Türkmenlerin(Türkmenistan) iranilerle karıştığı gibi kazaklarda aynı oranda moğollarla karıştı
bugün ikisininde Türki ortalaması aynı

[Linebacker]

then my grandfather is 30% mongoloid
bro you are talking stupidly
Turkics were not 100% mongoloid we are 50% MENA 40% European and 10% East Asian.

It makes more sense with this fix.

[Dr_Maul]

Highest in Anatolian native Turks probably 20-23%. I would assume anything higher than that is admixed with recent Central Asians or Tatars tbh. Probably about ~3-5 million ethnic Turks who score like that (guessing)

[Altaylı]

It makes more sense with this fix.

https://abload.de/img/punt6gi57.png

these HUNS are 30-50% mongoloid rest MENA?

[Linebacker]

https://abloant6gi57.png

these HUNS are 30-50% mongoloid rest MENA?

The genetics of "Medieval Turkic" and present day Turks is two completely different things.

I don't know for which time I have to state the obvious which other(even Turkish) members have already stated - that a very small part of modern Turks actually are genetically similar to Turkics ancestors from thousands of years ago.

Its a stronger connection than Bulgarians have to Bulgars but its still pretty small.

[Altaylı]

The genetics of "Medieval Turkic" and present day Turks is two completely different things.

I don't know for which time I have to state the obvious which other(even Turkish) members have already stated - that a very small part of modern Turks actually are genetically similar to Turkics ancestors from thousands of years ago.

Its a stronger connection than Bulgarians have to Bulgars but its still pretty small.

We are half Turkic half anatolian and we are far away from europe and MENA

[Zanzibar]

We are half Turkic half anatolian and we are far away from europe and MENA

What would your Anatolian ancestors look like?

[Altaylı]

What would your Anatolian ancestors look like?

Not european of course.
and i am not fully close to them too i have significant Turkic ancestry. So i identity myself as Turk

[Edgü]

We Turks are clearly Turkic even someTurkish score more Turkic than some Kazakhs.
bazı kazaklar %30 Türki skorluyor
bu arada en Türk olan %40 ı geçiyor Türkiyede.

Ne kadar Türkleştirilmiş olsa da Kazak boylarının/aşiretlerinin arasında yarı Moğol yarı Kazak soyların bulunduğunu unutmamak lazım ayrıca tabloda Türk genetik mirası %80'i aşan iki tane Kazak var neden ol ikisini görmeyip de 1 tane %33,9'luk olanı görüp kıyaslamanı ona göre yapıyorsun ?

[Joso]

Lol Is source your ass?
Ethnic Turks score 5% to 20% mongoloid

What Linebacker have of muscles, he have of retardedness.
He thinks breathing through the mouth is better than through the nose when literally EVERYONE thinks otherwise.
Just ignore him.

[Altaylı]

Ne kadar Türkleştirilmiş olsa da Kazak boylarının/aşiretlerinin arasında yarı Moğol yarı Kazak soyların bulunduğunu unutmamak lazım ayrıca tabloda Türk genetik mirası %80'i aşan iki tane Kazak var neden ol ikisini görmeyip de 1 tane %33,9'luk olanı görüp kıyaslamanı ona göre yapıyorsun ?

kanka görmüyormusun some diyorum SOME.
Kazakistan temizce Türk boylarının ve Moğolların karışımı.
Türkmenlerle Türki mirasları aynı %80 i geçen bir sürü Türkmende var ayrıca ama kimse onları tartışmıyıp Türkmenler iranilerle çok karışmış da diyor.

[Lemminkäinen]

Is that more or the same amount of East Asian that Finns have on average? Can some Finns totally lack any East Asian? What's the highest East Eurasian a Finn can score?

Around same amount, but in Finland it is almost purely, practically fully, Siberian. So it is North Eurasian. Hard to say the highest number, because we have no barriers between Saamis and Finns.
Racially pure Saamis have 20-25% Siberian, the Finns typically 4-8%, but Finnish speakers in Lapland may have 10-15%. Lowest percentages I have seen are around 2%, still ancestrally Finnish. We have ofc many stories and every online race alchemist has own point of view about the ideal Finnish ancestry.

[Leto]

The Turks of Turkey are not "half Turkic" on average. More like 20-25% provided those medieval Turkic tribes were between 40 and 50% East Eurasian/Mongoloid. And Turks with 20% EE are pretty rare today even if they do exist. You need to look at the population size of each province and region.

[Altaylı]

The Turks of Turkey are not "half Turkic" on average. More like 20-25% provided those medieval Turkic tribes were between 40 and 50% East Eurasian/Mongoloid. And Turks with 20% EE are pretty rare today even if they do exist. You need to look at the population size of each province and region.

We Turkish people are Oghuz you should use KAZ_Turk
KAZ_Turk is the closest proxy to Oghuzes now

[Leto]

We Turkish people are Oghuz you should use KAZ_Turk
KAZ_Turk is the closest proxy to Oghuzes now
There's no way those Oghuz were less than 45-50% East Eurasian on average. Even if they were only 40%, 10% Mongoloid (modern Turkish average) would mean 25% Oghuz.
I know a certain guy who I will never name, his test came back as 8-9% East Eurasian only. He is from Central Turkey.

[Leto]

We Turkish people are Oghuz you should use KAZ_Turk
KAZ_Turk is the closest proxy to Oghuzes now
There's no way those Oghuz were less than 45-50% East Eurasian on average. Even if they were only 40%, 10% Mongoloid (modern Turkish average) would mean 25% Oghuz.
I know a certain guy who I will never name, his test came back as 8-9% East Eurasian only. He is from Central Turkey.

[Altaylı]

There's no way those Oghuz were less than 45-50% East Eurasian on average. Even if they were only 40%, 10% Mongoloid (modern Turkish average) would mean 25% Oghuz.
I know a certain guy who I will never name, his test came back as 8-9% East Eurasian only. He is from Central Turkey.

https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Turkish_Gokturk.jpg
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Turkish_Kipchak.jpg

[Altaylı]

doubke

[Leto]

I'm not going to debate this topic. I have my own idea and I don't have a vested interest in this discussion. I just think it's not a good idea to pick the least Mongoloid ancient samples in order to boost the Turkicness of Anatolian Turks.

[RatCat]

https://turkishdnaproject.com/genetik-modelleme/

This is the map that shows the Medieval Turkic admixture of Average Anatolian and Balkan Turks. The map has been made by TurkishDNAProject.

[Altaylı]

I'm not going to debate this topic. I have my own idea and I don't have a vested interest in this discussion. I just think it's not a good idea to pick the least Mongoloid ancient samples in order to boost the Turkicness of Anatolian Turks.

our ancestors are from western Kazakhstan and Kaz_Turk have 35% mongoloid looks accurate.

[Leto]

our ancestors from western Kazakhstan and Kaz_Turk have 35% mongoloid looks accurate.
I'm not convinced of that personally. 35% is a little more than one third (1/3). Someone who is half Polish and half Mongolian will have more than that ;)

[Altaylı]

I'm not convinced of that personally. 35% is a little more than one third (1/3). Someone who is half Polish and half Mongolian will have more than that ;)

Isn`t your sample 40% mongoloid? difference is just 5%.
you are just looking east eurasia this is wrong you should look other elements too
Turks were half indo european half siberian

[Leto]

Isn`t your sample 40% mongoloid? difference is just 5%.
you are just looking east eurasia this is wrong you should look other elements too
Turks were half indo european half siberian
I didn't use any specific samples.
Yeah, Altaic + Iranic sounds correct IMO. Göktürks had a massive North European element. Almost like a hapa (White/East Asian).

[Ajeje Brazorf]

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Sample
% East Eurasian


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18,8


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18,6


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17


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16,8


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16,6


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15,8


Turkish_South:Turkish_South1
15,6


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15,6


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15,4


Turkish_South:Turkish_South5
15,4


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15,2


Turkish_North:Turkish_North5
15,2


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14,2


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14


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14


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14


Turkish_South:Turkish_South7
13,8


Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest11
13,8


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13,6


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13,6


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13,2


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13,2


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13,2


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12,6


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12,6


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12


Turkish_Aydin:Aydin18419
12


Turkish_Northwest:Turkish_Northwest9
11,8


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11,6


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central1
11,4


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Gumulcine1
11,4


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central8
11,2


Turkish_Aydin:Aydin18636
11


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central4
11


Turkish_Northwest:Turkish_Northwest2
11


Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest9
11


Turkish_Northwest:Turkish_Northwest3
10,8


Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest1
10,8


Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest10
10,8


Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest6
10,6


Turkish_Balikesir:Balikesir16790
10,4


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central6
10,4


Turkish_Northwest:Turkish_Northwest7
10,4


Turkish_Northwest:Turkish_Northwest4
10,2


Turkish_Aydin:Aydin18873
10


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central3
9,8


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri23549
9,4


Turkish_Adana:Adana23117
9,2


Turkish_North:Turkish_North2
9,2


Turkish_North:Turkish_North7
9,2


Turkish_Northwest:Turkish_Northwest1
9


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central9
8,8


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Kircaali4
8,8


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central13
8,4


Turkish_South:Turkish_South6
8,4


Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest2
8,4


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central2
8,2


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri24032
8,2


Turkish_North:Turkish_North9
8,2


Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest3
8


Turkish_South:Turkish_South3
7,8


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri23892
7,8


Turkish_Deliorman:Turkish_Silistre1
7,6


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Gumulcine2
7,6


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri23967
7,6


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Kircaali1
7,4


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central12
7,4


Turkish_Adana:Adana23114
7,2


Turkish_Deliorman:Turkish_Eskicuma1
7,2


Turkish_East:Turkish_East8
7,2


Turkish_North:Turkish_North8
7,2


Turkish_Adana:Adana23150
7


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri24266
7


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Gumulcine3
7


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central10
6,8


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Kircaali3
6,8


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central5
6,6


Turkish_East:Turkish_East4
6,4


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri24276
6,4


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Kircaali2
6,4


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri24392
6,2


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central7
5,8


Turkish_Deliorman:Turkish_Razgrad3
5,8


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri24402
5,6


Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central11
5,4


Turkish_Deliorman:Turkish_Varna1
5,4


Turkish_Deliorman:Turkish_Silistre2
5,2


Turkish_Deliorman:Turkish_Sumnu1
5,2


Turkish_Adana:Adana23133
5


Turkish_Deliorman:Turkish_Razgrad2
5


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Kilkis1
4,8


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri24075
4


Turkish_Deliorman:Turkish_Razgrad1
3,6


Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri23271
3,2


Turkish_East:Turkish_East3
3


Turkish_East:Turkish_East5
3


Turkish_Adana:Adana23113
2,4


Turkish_East:Turkish_East7
1,8


Turkish_East:Turkish_East1
1,6


Turkish_Rumeli:Turkish_Selanik1
1,6


Turkish_Trabzon:Trabzon21534
1,2


Turkish_Trabzon:Trabzon21174
1


Turkish_East:Turkish_East6
0,2


Turkish_East:Turkish_East2
0


Turkish_Trabzon:Trabzon21173
0


Turkish_Trabzon:Trabzon21177
0


Turkish_Trabzon:Trabzon21515
0

</tbody>

[Kaspias]

Even if that is true, with the history if Turkish members exaggerating their East Asian admix such claims are usually very suspicious, but still 12% is far from enough to say someone's genotype is East Asian.

In most people 10% admixture with something is completely unnoticeable phenotypically.

Mongoloid amount is not equal to Turkic admixture. This is what 12% Mongoloid means:


Distance to: Kaspias_dad
4.11758399 71.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.80% Karluk_DA222
4.21267392 59.20% Bulgarian_East + 40.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.30127803 60.20% MD_Gagauz + 39.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.42661505 56.60% Bulgarian_Central + 43.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.48705089 55.80% Bulgarian_West + 44.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.50031076 56.40% MD_South + 43.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.60800502 64.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 35.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.72499172 54.20% Macedonian + 45.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.73690437 55.00% Romanian + 45.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.76452402 69.40% Greek_Thrace + 30.60% Karluk_DA222
4.77814994 56.20% Pomak_Bulgaria + 43.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.84050211 62.00% Greek_Thrace + 38.00% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.96748762 69.00% Greek_Macedonia + 31.00% Karluk_DA222
5.01664241 71.00% Greek_Macedonia + 29.00% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38
5.03174988 58.20% Pomak_Greece + 41.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.03704532 71.40% Greek_Thrace + 28.60% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38
5.09343428 60.40% Bulgarian_Thrace + 39.60% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.13461617 63.20% Bulgarian_East + 36.80% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.13711396 52.20% Montenegrin + 47.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
5.17498082 70.60% Bulgarian_East + 29.40% Karluk_DA222
5.23405314 61.60% Greek_Macedonia + 38.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.31259580 64.40% MD_Gagauz + 35.60% Turkmen_Afghanistan
5.42469748 71.80% MD_Gagauz + 28.20% Karluk_DA222
5.43516913 66.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 33.80% Uzbeki
5.46291910 63.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 36.40% Uzbek


And nobody claimed the genotype of Turks is East Asian, it was you who come up with the claim you have more East Eurasian than Turks. In addition, we do not exaggerate anything. OP asked for the maximum scores so we told him, it does not mean these scores are averages.

This, for example, is a great chart that compares the populations of Eastern Balkans.

https://i.ibb.co/GMXtVwW/Plot.png

[Lemminkäinen]

I got this 4-8% East Asian for Turkish people from this study. No aim to have own opinion.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4904778/#!po=37.3786

[Altaylı]

I didn't use any specific samples.
Yeah, Altaic + Iranic sounds correct IMO. Göktürks had a massive North European element. Almost like a hapa (White/East Asian).

Yes i agree but KAZ_Turk is Gokturk too
Also i think we are quite normal we have more East eurasian ancestry than our neighbours also 30% Turkic isn't low for anatolian Turks
Here is Turkicness of other CA people:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsqStxYW4AELUAV?format=png&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsqShN0XcAUZto8?format=png&name=900x900

[Parça do Neymar]

~20% in Anatolian Turks, ~15% in Balkan Turks, I presume, on average they're about half of this. What Turks call the "Yöruk" subgroup seems to be the one with the highest "Mongoloid" there, I believe it's not unusual for them to score close to 20%

If you're really interested you should ask a member called Kaspias.


I am Bulgarian and I score more East Asian>Mongoloid(2%) than the average Turk.

When you look at Turkish 23andme they usually score around 0.5/1/1.5%.

I don't know how 23andMe works, but it's possible the big chunk of their East Eurasian is already included in their reference population, in other words, hidden. So a Turk scoring "1.5%" likely has an extra of this component in comparison with their average sample reference.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Among Turkmens:


<colgroup><col><col></colgroup><tbody>
Sample
% East Eurasian


Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB105_turkmen
45,6


Turkmen:TUR029
39,2


Turkmen:TUR046
38,8


Turkmen:TUR016
38,6


Turkmen:TUR040
38,2


Turkmen:TUR050
37,8


Turkmen:TUR036
37,4


Turkmen:TUR028
36,6


Turkmen:TUR027
36,4


Turkmen:TUR018
34,8


Turkmen:TUR001
34


Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB180_turkmen
33


Turkmen:TUR025
30,8


Turkmen:TUR007
30,6


Turkmen:TUR012
30,6


Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB102_turkmen
29,4


Turkmen:TUR032
27,8


Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB111_turkmen
27


Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB150_turkmen
26,8


Turkmen:TUR054
25,4


Turkmen:TUR042
24,8


Turkmen:TUR013
24,2


Turkmen:TUR026
23,6


Turkmen:TUR031
22,6


Turkmen:TUR041
21,4


Turkmen:TUR051
20,8


Turkmen:TUR048
20,4


Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB101_turkmen
18,8


Turkmen:TUR043
17,8


Turkmen:TUR008
17,6


Turkmen:TUR035
16,8


Turkmen:TUR011
16,4


Turkmen:TUR033
13,4

</tbody>

[Leto]

Turkmenistan should have Kwarezmian ancestry, not only more recent Persian. The Kwarezmians were Eastern Iranic, no idea about their genetics though.

[itilvolga]

Even if that is true, with the history if Turkish members exaggerating their East Asian admix such claims are usually very suspicious, but still 12% is far from enough to say someone's genotype is East Asian.

In most people 10% admixture with something is completely unnoticeable phenotypically.

Nobody says Turks are genotypically East Asian, it'd be ridiculous. But it's also nonsense when people say we are just Turkified Native Anatolians. Our East Eurasian amount proves that we have Turkic ancestors, that's the reason why many Turks are obsessed with it.

[Kaspias]

Turkmenistan should have Kwarezmian ancestry, not only more recent Persian. The Kwarezmians were Eastern Iranic, no idea about their genetics though.

Zoroastrians seem to be isolated because of religious reasons and are a good proxy for the pre-Turkic Iran, both for Eastern and Western. It would be better if we had legit Khwarezmian, but this works efficiently too.

[Altaylı]

Turkmenistan should have Kwarezmian ancestry, not only more recent Persian. The Kwarezmians were Eastern Iranic, no idea about their genetics though.

Kazakhs and Turkmenistan have same amount Turkic ancestry(according to medieval Turkic samples) just kazakhs have mongol element Turkmens have Iranic element

[Kyp]

Kaspias' father is fully Balkan Turk and he scores 12% Mongoloid on Gedmatch. Those who score around 1% are from Northeastern Turkey, like Trabzon and Erzurum. Otherwise I have never seen a Turk scores that small amount of Mongoloid.

Macedonian and Cyprus Turks can score that low too

[Kyp]

Zoroastrians seem to be isolated because of religious reasons and are a good proxy for the pre-Turkic Iran, both for Eastern and Western. It would be better if we had legit Khwarezmian, but this works efficiently too.

Zoroastrians score like the region where they are from (Yazd, Kerman) so they are only good examples for unmixed Persians, Khwarezmians would score a bit different from them.

[Kaspias]

Zoroastrians score like the region where they are from (Yazd, Kerman) so they are only good examples for unmixed Persians, but Leto is right Khwarezmians would score a bit different from them.

So do you have a proxy recommendation for the Khorasan and Khwarezm?

[Kyp]

So do you have a proxy recommendation for the Khorasan and Khwarezm?

No as there is none I think.. Most people in that region have turkic/mongol ancestry. But one thing I have learned is that in 99% of all cases geography plays the biggest part in genetics. So Khwarezmians probably were somewhere between Zoroastrians and Yagnobis.

[Kaspias]

No as there is none I think.. Most people in that region have turkic/mongol ancestry. But one thing I have learned is that in 99% of all cases geography plays the biggest part in genetics. So Khwarezmians probably were somewhere between Zoroastrians and Yagnobis.

Good idea indeed. A mix of Yagnobi and Zoroastrian could work.

[Kyp]

Good idea indeed. A mix of Yagnobi and Zoroastrian could work.

Only hypothetically of course.

Also I think Khorasan would be closer to Zoroastrians (probably higher South Asian than Zoroastrians though). While Northern Khwarezm would be closer to Sogdians (probably close to Yagnobis). Also there would already be a lot of urban geneflow going bothways.

For example muslim kermanis score higher South Asian than Zoroastrian ones, probably because a lot of Zoroastrians seeked refuge in the eastern communities which resulted in them being more Western shifted.

[Dr_Maul]

Good idea indeed. A mix of Yagnobi and Zoroastrian could work.


No as there is none I think.. Most people in that region have turkic/mongol ancestry. But one thing I have learned is that in 99% of all cases geography plays the biggest part in genetics. So Khwarezmians probably were somewhere between Zoroastrians and Yagnobis.

MNG_TUK001 is sort of equidistant between Iranians and Yagnobis. But I do not know where it comes from originally (obviously not Mongolia). MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN004 is also close however it has 8% Mongoloid so probably not reliable


Edit: Uigur OLN002 is also equidistant to Iranians and Pamiris, but closer to Yagnobis with about 1% mong

[Mingle]

So do you have a proxy recommendation for the Khorasan and Khwarezm?

What about Turkmenistan IA? I think that's a Khwarezmian sample.

[Kyp]

What about Turkmenistan IA? I think that's a Khwarezmian sample.

Too early imo.


MNG_TUK001 is sort of equidistant between Iranians and Yagnobis. But I do not know where it comes from originally (obviously not Mongolia). MNG_Early_Med_Uigur:OLN004 is also close however it has 8% Mongoloid so probably not reliable


Edit: Uigur OLN002 is also equidistant to Iranians and Pamiris, but closer to Yagnobis with about 1% mong

Yep this one was hypothezised as Sogdian.

[Unknown European]

In regional averages the max Mongoloid admixture doesn't exceed around 20%
In individual samples the max Mongoloid admixture doesn't exceed around 25%

Target: Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest5
Distance: 10.4421% / 0.10442117
47.8 Irish
28.8 Sardinian
17.4 Japanese
6.0 Korean
0.0 Basque_Spanish
0.0 Han_Jiangsu

This Turkish sample appears to have over 20% Mongoloid admixture.

[Scandal]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/mgqefqwSbToPe/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e474s2krpmp74xyusma3undbk8mtaa6 68d46qsbrv0a&rid=giphy.gif




It is rare. The majority of Anatolian Turks is 10-15%, and the majority of Balkan Turks is 5-10% according to my own experience.

Phenotype is unrelated to the genome. One can be Turanid only with 2% EE for example, while the other one is straightforward Pontid with 15%.


If they are like 20% Mongoloid up they could have recent Central Asian or Nogai and Tatar ancestry as what Altayli told me?

You are right. Indeed phenotype is not equal to genotype. Can you post some examples of Turks who done DNA tests and score 15% East Asian but doesn't show in phenotype?

Phenotype is an expression of genetics, nothing else. On an individual level the correlation between the two is not that obvious, but on a population level it should be. However even individually there's a clear correlation, you will never find a genetically SSA or a genetically Chinese guy who looks white.

[reboun]

In regional averages the max Mongoloid admixture doesn't exceed around 20%
In individual samples the max Mongoloid admixture doesn't exceed around 25%

Target: Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest5
Distance: 10.4421% / 0.10442117
47.8 Irish
28.8 Sardinian
17.4 Japanese
6.0 Korean
0.0 Basque_Spanish
0.0 Han_Jiangsu

This Turkish sample appears to have over 20% Mongoloid admixture.

Not accurate at all. Hard to believe 47-48% of Turks is Irish.

[Unknown European]

Not accurate at all. Hard to believe 47-48% of Turks is Irish.

I Know. It is not supposed to say that the Turkish sample is 47-48% Irish It is to say estimate how much of his ancestry is West Eurasian and how much is East Eurasian. You are not interpreting it the right way

You are not supposed to view it as

47.8 Irish
28.8 Sardinian
17.4 Japanese
6.0 Korean
0.0 Basque_Spanish
0.0 Han_Jiangsu

You are supposed to view it as

76.6% West Eurasian
23.4% East Eurasian

[Kaspias]

What about Turkmenistan IA? I think that's a Khwarezmian sample.

I agree with Kyp, it is too early and carries elevated European scores compared to Khwarezmians. I recalled the TUK001 when Maul stated, something between it and Zoroastrians could be decent proxies IMO.

[Hoihey]

If you include the entire population of Turkey (Turks, Kurds, Laz, Arabs, Greek and Balkan immigrants, Eastern Armenians) the total percentage would be very low, likely around 5% or even less.

[Roy]

Ok so source is your ass
Here is Turkish with 20% mongoloid (from western turkey)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZa1VeXimmeHVzOjSrG0cmZUGvOTNjm itutw&usqp=CAU

It is intriguing how that Asian admixture peaks in western Turkey and decreases the closer you get to the actual fully Mongoloid countries. Some of these Western Turks must be pure Turkic invaders genetically.

[Altaylı]

It is intriguing how that Asian admixture peaks in western Turkey and decreases the closer you get to the actual fully Mongoloid countries. Some of these Western Turks must be pure Turkic invaders genetically.

Western Turks are not pure but closest Turks to pure Turkics in anatolia
This is good example of pure Turkic genetic:
https://scontent.fesb2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/125036486_135313768347691_4483049877153814209_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=07e735&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=QAPWEBPah2cAX8F3BAV&_nc_ht=scontent.fesb2-1.fna&tp=14&oh=881fd79243c32975e9585ad644575f07&oe=609B43EE
I think pure Turkics were between 40-50% mongoloid like DA87 Kimak

[Abriekman]

https://scontent.fesb2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/125036486_135313768347691_4483049877153814209_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=07e735&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=QAPWEBPah2cAX8F3BAV&_nc_ht=scontent.fesb2-1.fna&tp=14&oh=881fd79243c32975e9585ad644575f07&oe=609B43EE


Do you know the name of that website on this image?

[Roy]

Western Turks are not pure but closest Turks to pure Turkics in anatolia
This is good example of pure Turkic genetic:
https://scontent.fesb2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/125036486_135313768347691_4483049877153814209_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=07e735&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=QAPWEBPah2cAX8F3BAV&_nc_ht=scontent.fesb2-1.fna&tp=14&oh=881fd79243c32975e9585ad644575f07&oe=609B43EE
I think pure Turkics were between 40-50% mongoloid like DA87 Kimak

Do Kazakh or Turkmen people overlap with Turks phenotypically according to you?

[Altaylı]

Do Kazakh or Turkmen people overlap with Turks phenotypically according to you?

An average Anatolian Turk(from western anatolia or Central anatolia) phenotypically can look same % mongoloid with a Turkmenistani Turkmen or an Uzbek just anatolian Turks caucasoid side is med
Kazakhs look too much mongoloid according to anatolian Turks
If you wonder pure Turkic look probably like half White(Proto indo european like) half siberian mongoloid
There are some facial reconstructions from early medieval Turkic era
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9H0eXbeUgNgXHFwZJndbCAKb-lHRD0-_mAw&usqp=CAU
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXhFhfCx4EATimZW4JpEQtpK_EkvST_ MO_oA&usqp=CAU
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTOvM2-Rs4F7iFXQEjurfYJeFsLtLDyjBCwDw&usqp=CAU
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMbrlVOQrqiumjJX4oMOWQXruS_8MtS M0xLw&usqp=CAU

[Altaylı]

Do you know the name of that website on this image?

Probably Illusttative dna but i am not sure i get this image from Turkishdnaproject