View Full Version : Classify Shigeru Miyamoto
Kivan
03-02-2021, 08:24 PM
Japanese video-game designer.
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Oliver109
03-02-2021, 08:27 PM
What a legend, looks typically Japanese to me with some south Chinese elements, the Yakonid element is quite noticeable.
Suinthila
03-02-2021, 08:35 PM
he doesn't look typically japanese to me, those eyes.... his skull is also too wide like to be a japanese....
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Chikuzen, Satsuma mix with a touch of Choshiu ?
Still looks Japanese if i'm wrong about the classification
Kivan
03-02-2021, 08:42 PM
he doesn't look typically japanese to me, those eyes.... his skull is also too wide like to be a japanese....
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And how are japanese supposed to look like?
chociprasa
03-06-2021, 07:46 PM
Chikuzen with more Sinid than usual
Tooting Carmen
03-16-2021, 11:10 PM
Looks very, well, Japanese...
I know why he doesn't look Japanese to you. I classify him as Satsuma and although Satsumas are one of the most common types in Japan, they rarely get to be seen in the mainstream media. The Satsuma phenotype is hugely under-represented among the public faces of Japan compared to their share of Japanese population.
he doesn't look typically japanese to me, those eyes.... his skull is also too wide like to be a japanese....
....
I know why he doesn't look Japanese to you. I classify him as Satsuma and although Satsumas are one of the most common types in Japan, they rarely get to be seen in the mainstream media. The Satsuma phenotype is hugely under-represented among the public faces of Japan compared to their share of Japanese population. The typical Satsuma in Japan is a white collar worker, working in the office, and rarely appearing on TV.
Oliver109
03-16-2021, 11:59 PM
I know why he doesn't look Japanese to you. I classify him as Satsuma and although Satsumas are one of the most common types in Japan, they rarely get to be seen in the mainstream media. The Satsuma phenotype is hugely under-represented among the public faces of Japan compared to their share of Japanese population. The typical Satsuma in Japan is a white collar worker, working in the office, and rarely appearing on TV.
Thank you for your input, i hope you will enlighten us more about Japanese phenotypes as it is one of my favourite countries.
Thank you for your input, i hope you will enlighten us more about Japanese phenotypes as it is one of my favourite countries.
I like Japan too. I am a big weeb. But yeah. I remember that the first Japanese person I met in my life would closely resemble Satsuma, and by that time having been in contact with Japanese culture, solely on YouTube and anime websites, I was surprised by her look. At that time I was not very well learned in terms of classification and I thought that she looks very Chinese, because she clearly didn't look like your average Japanese TV personality.
Satsumas are indeed very under-represented in the mainstream media. The most common phenotypes you can see in terms of Japanese mainstream media people, like entertainers, actors, singers, etc. are Ishikawas, Chioshius and Chikuzens, with occasional Yakonins. On the other hand, when you go on a train platform and see your average white collar worker waiting for the train to get them to work, in such environments you see a ton of Satsumas.
Oliver109
03-17-2021, 12:25 AM
I like Japan too. I am a big weeb. But yeah. I remember that the first Japanese person I met in my life would closely resemble Satsuma, and by that time having been in contact with Japanese culture, solely on YouTube and anime websites, I was surprised by her look. At that time I was not very well learned in terms of classification and I thought that she looks very Chinese, because she clearly didn't look like your average Japanese TV personality.
Satsumas are indeed very underrepresented in the mainstream media. The most common phenotypes you can see in terms of Japanese mainstream media people, like entertainers, actors, singers, etc. are Ishikawas, Chioshius and Chikuzens, with occasional Yakonins. On the other hand, when you go on a train platform and see your average white collar worker waiting for the train to get them to work, in such environments you see a ton of Satsumas.
Thanks for your very informative post, the Japanese in general are very distinct from other Asian ethnicities even Koreans, Satsuma i imagine is a common type in Japan.
Ruggery
03-17-2021, 12:33 AM
I like Japan too. I am a big weeb. But yeah. I remember that the first Japanese person I met in my life would closely resemble Satsuma, and by that time having been in contact with Japanese culture, solely on YouTube and anime websites, I was surprised by her look. At that time I was not very well learned in terms of classification and I thought that she looks very Chinese, because she clearly didn't look like your average Japanese TV personality.
Satsumas are indeed very under-represented in the mainstream media. The most common phenotypes you can see in terms of Japanese mainstream media people, like entertainers, actors, singers, etc. are Ishikawas, Chioshius and Chikuzens, with occasional Yakonins. On the other hand, when you go on a train platform and see your average white collar worker waiting for the train to get them to work, in such environments you see a ton of Satsumas.
Examples of Satsumas?
Thanks for your very informative post, the Japanese in general are very distinct from other Asian ethnicities even Koreans, Satsuma i imagine is a common type in Japan.
Yes. The Japanese are easily the most distinguishable East Asian people. Phenotypes in Japan are either mostly common in Japan and rare/non-existant in like the Koreas and East China, or common in the Koreas and East China, but rare in Japan (such as the Manchu-Korean phenotype).
Examples of Satsumas?
Watch videos about Japanese rush hour and you see them there. In terms of media personalities, it is hard for me to pin-point Satsumas.
Thank you for your input, i hope you will enlighten us more about Japanese phenotypes as it is one of my favourite countries.
Since you asked for more enlightenment about Japanese phenotypes, here's the enlightenment, at least about Japanese phenotypes you usually see in the media.
Ishikawa: An Anuid type with Mongoloid admixture. Usually has fair skin (the fairest skin complexion of all Japanese phenotypes, and arguably of all of East Asia). Typically without mongoloid fold, but in rare occurrences, the mongoloid fold can exist. Eyes are typically roundish-almond in such people, and larger than in other phenotypes of Japan. Face is somewhat broad, but not as broad as it is in most phenotypes that are purely Mongoloid. Cheekbones are only moderately prominent and relatively lower than in most Mongoloid phenotypes. Exists only in Japan, usually common in Northern Japan (i.e. North of Tokyo) and in Ainu people.
https://i.postimg.cc/Xp6rF9jG/Screenshot-132.png (https://postimg.cc/Xp6rF9jG)
https://i.postimg.cc/Rq4FZ4XK/Screenshot-133.png (https://postimg.cc/Rq4FZ4XK)
https://i.postimg.cc/v4J8Fs41/Screenshot-134.png (https://postimg.cc/v4J8Fs41)
Chikuzen: Similar to Ishikawa, but more Mongoloid-admixed than Ishikawa. Cheekbones more prominent and high, eyes usually slanted but not very small, commonly with Mongoloid fold, though face is not very flat. People who belong to this phenotype have a typical baby-face about them. Just like Ishikawa, exists only in Japan, mainly in Kyushu (Western Japan, near Korean Peninsula).
https://i.postimg.cc/BXB4DKrf/Screenshot-135.png (https://postimg.cc/BXB4DKrf)
https://i.postimg.cc/phjtdhf7/Screenshot-136.png (https://postimg.cc/phjtdhf7)
Choshiu: The main Sinid type of Japan. Usually long-ish faced with crescent-shaped eyes that are typically pointy at both ends (inner and outer ends of the eye). Some people belonging to this phenotype have Mongoloid folds, but not all. Typically found across all of Japan, except Hokkaido, but found especially in Central and Western coast of Japan. Sometimes found in Korea also.
https://i.postimg.cc/Z9KMg9s3/Screenshot-137.png (https://postimg.cc/Z9KMg9s3)
https://i.postimg.cc/zb42VxzS/Screenshot-138.png (https://postimg.cc/zb42VxzS)
Yakonin: A Dinaricized type of Sinid. Long face with almond-eyes that appear only slightly slanted. People belonging to this type typically have a bigger, hooked nose, compared to other Japanese people. Exists typically in the area around Tokyo and Central Japan, rare in the rest of Japan and also rarely found in Korea.
https://i.postimg.cc/sGVmBbFW/Screenshot-142.png (https://postimg.cc/sGVmBbFW)
https://i.postimg.cc/bdT3XYb9/Screenshot-148.png (https://postimg.cc/bdT3XYb9)
https://i.postimg.cc/2V9G6H0q/Screenshot-150.png (https://postimg.cc/2V9G6H0q)
https://i.postimg.cc/wRXMCsGG/Screenshot-151.png (https://postimg.cc/wRXMCsGG)
https://i.postimg.cc/vDf4gpZt/Screenshot-152.png (https://postimg.cc/vDf4gpZt)
https://i.postimg.cc/N5xLbmTy/Screenshot-156.png (https://postimg.cc/N5xLbmTy)
https://i.postimg.cc/sM6xCzTs/Screenshot-157.png (https://postimg.cc/sM6xCzTs)
https://i.postimg.cc/f31bkK4P/Screenshot-158.png (https://postimg.cc/f31bkK4P)
There are a few other phenotypes in Japan, such as the already-discussed Satsuma. But those phenotypes rarely make it in the public image (i.e. media) of Japan.
Since you asked for more enlightenment about Japanese phenotypes, here's the enlightenment, at least about Japanese phenotypes you usually see in the media.
Ishikawa: An Anuid type with Mongoloid admixture. Usually has fair skin (the fairest skin complexion of all Japanese phenotypes, and arguably of all of East Asia). Typically without mongoloid fold, but in rare occurrences, the mongoloid fold can exist. Eyes are typically roundish-almond in such people, and larger than in other phenotypes of Japan. Face is somewhat broad, but not as broad it is most phenotypes that are purely Mongoloid. Cheekbones are only moderately prominent and relatively lower than in most Mongoloid phenotypes. Exists only in Japan, usually common in Northern Japan (i.e. North of Tokyo) and in Ainu people.
https://i.postimg.cc/Xp6rF9jG/Screenshot-132.png (https://postimg.cc/Xp6rF9jG)
https://i.postimg.cc/Rq4FZ4XK/Screenshot-133.png (https://postimg.cc/Rq4FZ4XK)
https://i.postimg.cc/v4J8Fs41/Screenshot-134.png (https://postimg.cc/v4J8Fs41)
Chikuzen: Similar to Ishikawa, but more Mongoloid-admixed than Ishikawa. Cheekbones more prominent and high, eyes usually slanted but not very small, commonly with Mongoloid fold, though face is not very flat. People who belong to this phenotype have a typical baby-face about them. Just like Ishikawa, exists only in Japan, mainly in Kyushu (Western Japan, near Korean Peninsula).
https://i.postimg.cc/BXB4DKrf/Screenshot-135.png (https://postimg.cc/BXB4DKrf)
https://i.postimg.cc/phjtdhf7/Screenshot-136.png (https://postimg.cc/phjtdhf7)
Choshiu: The main Sinid type of Japan. Usually long-ish faced with crescent-shaped eyes that are typically pointy at both ends (inner and outer ends of the eye). Some people belonging to this phenotype have Mongoloid folds, but not all. Typically found across all of Japan, except Hokkaido, but found especially in Central and Western coast of Japan. Sometimes found in Korea also.
https://i.postimg.cc/Z9KMg9s3/Screenshot-137.png (https://postimg.cc/Z9KMg9s3)
https://i.postimg.cc/zb42VxzS/Screenshot-138.png (https://postimg.cc/zb42VxzS)
Yakonin: A Dinaricized type of Sinid. Long face with almond-eyes that appear only slightly slanted. People belonging to this type typically have a bigger, hooked nose, compared to other Japanese people. Exists typically in the area around Tokyo and Central Japan, rare in the rest of Japan and also rarely found in Korea.
https://i.postimg.cc/sGVmBbFW/Screenshot-142.png (https://postimg.cc/sGVmBbFW)
https://i.postimg.cc/bdT3XYb9/Screenshot-148.png (https://postimg.cc/bdT3XYb9)
https://i.postimg.cc/2V9G6H0q/Screenshot-150.png (https://postimg.cc/2V9G6H0q)
There are a few other phenotypes in Japan, such as the already-discussed Satsuma. But those phenotypes rarely make it in the public image (i.e. media) of Japan.
The examples I gave for Ishikawa and Choshiu may be a bit broader faced than your typical Ishikawas and Choshius, but the facial features correspond in my examples though.
Oliver109
03-19-2021, 12:19 AM
Since you asked for more enlightenment about Japanese phenotypes, here's the enlightenment, at least about Japanese phenotypes you usually see in the media.
Ishikawa: An Anuid type with Mongoloid admixture. Usually has fair skin (the fairest skin complexion of all Japanese phenotypes, and arguably of all of East Asia). Typically without mongoloid fold, but in rare occurrences, the mongoloid fold can exist. Eyes are typically roundish-almond in such people, and larger than in other phenotypes of Japan. Face is somewhat broad, but not as broad as it is in most phenotypes that are purely Mongoloid. Cheekbones are only moderately prominent and relatively lower than in most Mongoloid phenotypes. Exists only in Japan, usually common in Northern Japan (i.e. North of Tokyo) and in Ainu people.
https://i.postimg.cc/Xp6rF9jG/Screenshot-132.png (https://postimg.cc/Xp6rF9jG)
https://i.postimg.cc/Rq4FZ4XK/Screenshot-133.png (https://postimg.cc/Rq4FZ4XK)
https://i.postimg.cc/v4J8Fs41/Screenshot-134.png (https://postimg.cc/v4J8Fs41)
Chikuzen: Similar to Ishikawa, but more Mongoloid-admixed than Ishikawa. Cheekbones more prominent and high, eyes usually slanted but not very small, commonly with Mongoloid fold, though face is not very flat. People who belong to this phenotype have a typical baby-face about them. Just like Ishikawa, exists only in Japan, mainly in Kyushu (Western Japan, near Korean Peninsula).
https://i.postimg.cc/BXB4DKrf/Screenshot-135.png (https://postimg.cc/BXB4DKrf)
https://i.postimg.cc/phjtdhf7/Screenshot-136.png (https://postimg.cc/phjtdhf7)
Choshiu: The main Sinid type of Japan. Usually long-ish faced with crescent-shaped eyes that are typically pointy at both ends (inner and outer ends of the eye). Some people belonging to this phenotype have Mongoloid folds, but not all. Typically found across all of Japan, except Hokkaido, but found especially in Central and Western coast of Japan. Sometimes found in Korea also.
https://i.postimg.cc/Z9KMg9s3/Screenshot-137.png (https://postimg.cc/Z9KMg9s3)
https://i.postimg.cc/zb42VxzS/Screenshot-138.png (https://postimg.cc/zb42VxzS)
Yakonin: A Dinaricized type of Sinid. Long face with almond-eyes that appear only slightly slanted. People belonging to this type typically have a bigger, hooked nose, compared to other Japanese people. Exists typically in the area around Tokyo and Central Japan, rare in the rest of Japan and also rarely found in Korea.
https://i.postimg.cc/sGVmBbFW/Screenshot-142.png (https://postimg.cc/sGVmBbFW)
https://i.postimg.cc/bdT3XYb9/Screenshot-148.png (https://postimg.cc/bdT3XYb9)
https://i.postimg.cc/2V9G6H0q/Screenshot-150.png (https://postimg.cc/2V9G6H0q)
https://i.postimg.cc/wRXMCsGG/Screenshot-151.png (https://postimg.cc/wRXMCsGG)
https://i.postimg.cc/vDf4gpZt/Screenshot-152.png (https://postimg.cc/vDf4gpZt)
https://i.postimg.cc/N5xLbmTy/Screenshot-156.png (https://postimg.cc/N5xLbmTy)
https://i.postimg.cc/sM6xCzTs/Screenshot-157.png (https://postimg.cc/sM6xCzTs)
https://i.postimg.cc/f31bkK4P/Screenshot-158.png (https://postimg.cc/f31bkK4P)
There are a few other phenotypes in Japan, such as the already-discussed Satsuma. But those phenotypes rarely make it in the public image (i.e. media) of Japan.
Thank you very much again, i learn new things everyday about the Japanese people from you, please feel free to post more Japan threads, this is a Euro forum but many of us here are big fans of Japan and Japanese culture.
Latinus
03-19-2021, 12:35 AM
Looks very distinctively Japanese to me. Satsuma.
Latinus
03-19-2021, 12:42 AM
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Would you say Sho Sakurai's phenotype is, since he is an Idol/Newscaster, common or not in the Japanese media?
https://www.tokyohive.com/upload/2020/11/content/141458/1605383909-20201114-sakurai-sho.jpg
Would you say Sho Sakurai's phenotype is, since he is an Idol/Newscaster, common or not in the Japanese media?
https://www.tokyohive.com/upload/2020/11/content/141458/1605383909-20201114-sakurai-sho.jpg
He kinda looks Chikuzen-ish with minor Chinese/Korean-like phenotypical admixture (possibly Korean-Manchu or Changkiangid admixture, mainly in the lower part of his face), and yes it is quite common, though not as common as more pure-ish Chikuzens.
Thank you very much again, i learn new things everyday about the Japanese people from you, please feel free to post more Japan threads, this is a Euro forum but many of us here are big fans of Japan and Japanese culture.
If you are interested to know who the people in these pictures are so that you can see more pictures of them, the example given by me for Ishikawa is Miku, the vocalist of An Cafe, the example for Chikuzen is Takeru, the vocalist of SuG, the exaple for Choshiu is Mitsuru Taki, who apparently is (or was) researcher at an institute in Japan, and the example for Yakonen is Tetsuya Komuro, who is one of the best selling lyricists from Japan and among other things, he used to play guitar and keyboards for the band called Globe.
I am not saying that these examples are perfect examples for the phenotypes in question, but at least they are quite good I would say.
Thank you very much again, i learn new things everyday about the Japanese people from you, please feel free to post more Japan threads, this is a Euro forum but many of us here are big fans of Japan and Japanese culture.
But be advised though. Some of these people put a lot of make-up on them, and dye their hair and also sometimes wear contacts, to make themselves look more like anime characters than real life people. So look for where they look more natural.
Thank you very much again, i learn new things everyday about the Japanese people from you, please feel free to post more Japan threads, this is a Euro forum but many of us here are big fans of Japan and Japanese culture.
Miku from An Cafe (the guy I classified as Ishikawa here) looks like Yuri Bezmenov and when has his hair bleached blonde, he looks like Putin. Look it up.
Ruggery
03-20-2021, 01:29 AM
He kinda looks Chikuzen-ish with minor Chinese/Korean-like phenotypical admixture (possibly Korean-Manchu or Changkiangid admixture, mainly in the lower part of his face), and yes it is quite common, though not as common as more pure-ish Chikuzens.
Is there a Pan-Asian phenotype in Japan, Korea and China?
Is there a Pan-Asian phenotype in Japan, Korea and China?
There are phenotypes that exist among Chinese, Koreans and Japanese at the same time, but none of them exist at similar proportions in all 3 of these populations. In Japan, the most common phenotypes are Satsuma and Choshiu, in the Koreas, the Manchu-Korean is the most common (Kim Jong-Un's phenotype), and in China, depends where in China, since China is big af. In Northern China, the Huanghoid is the most common (funnily enough, the current Japanese football/soccer captain could be classified as Huanghoid, check out Maya Yoshida if you wanna see how that looks), in Central and towards the South of China, the Changkiangid is the most common, which is the most common Chinese phenotype (look up Chairman Mao for how the phenotype looks like), in the deep-South East of China, the Chukiangid is the most common, which is even more broader faced than the Changkiangid and has thick lips also as well as really broad, borderline meso-platyrrhine nose, compared to other Mongoloid phenotypes of China, Korea and Japan, while in South-West of China, the Tibetid and Kham are the most common phenotypes. Tibetids are similar to Yakonins of Japan and are usually included also in Indid, not only Sinid alone.
Funny thing though, that the Japanese have, on average, the broadest noses of Chinese, Koreans and Japanese.
Ruggery
03-20-2021, 05:06 PM
There are phenotypes that exist among Chinese, Koreans and Japanese at the same time, but none of them exist at similar proportions in all 3 of these populations. In Japan, the most common phenotypes are Satsuma and Choshiu, in the Koreas, the Manchu-Korean is the most common (Kim Jong-Un's phenotype), and in China, depends where in China, since China is big af. In Northern China, the Huanghoid is the most common (funnily enough, the current Japanese football/soccer captain could be classified as Huanghoid, check out Maya Yoshida if you wanna see how that looks), in Central and towards the South of China, the Changkiangid is the most common, which is the most common Chinese phenotype (look up Chairman Mao for how the phenotype looks like), in the deep-South East of China, the Chukiangid is the most common, which is even more broader faced than the Changkiangid and has thick lips also as well as really broad, borderline meso-platyrrhine nose, compared to other Mongoloid phenotypes of China, Korea and Japan, while in South-West of China, the Tibetid and Kham are the most common phenotypes. Tibetids are similar to Yakonins of Japan and are usually included also in Indid, not only Sinid alone.
Is there a Mongloid phenotype that has a straight nose like Caucasians?
Harkonnen
03-20-2021, 06:23 PM
Funny thing though, that the Japanese have, on average, the broadest noses of Chinese, Koreans and Chinese.
Comes from Ainu/Jomon
https://i.imgur.com/QHhuyUe.png
https://i.imgur.com/IJoJDwn.png
https://i.imgur.com/UEScQ5V.png
https://i.imgur.com/zLukjRI.png
Benyzero
03-20-2021, 06:26 PM
Atlantid-CM
Is there a Mongloid phenotype that has a straight nose like Caucasians?
Yes. Choshius typically have straight-ish leptorrhine noses and also the Huanghoids of North China.
Comes from Ainu/Jomon
https://i.imgur.com/QHhuyUe.png
https://i.imgur.com/IJoJDwn.png
https://i.imgur.com/UEScQ5V.png
https://i.imgur.com/zLukjRI.png
Yes but not only. It also comes from Ancient South Chinese/Austronesian speakers who came to Japan about 4000-5000 years ago via Taiwan and the Ryukyu Islands. People from South China even today are usually mesorrhine, but they are small in terms of number of population compared to the rest of China, and that's why in China the leptorrhine people dominate in terms of %.
Comes from Ainu/Jomon
https://i.imgur.com/QHhuyUe.png
https://i.imgur.com/IJoJDwn.png
https://i.imgur.com/UEScQ5V.png
https://i.imgur.com/zLukjRI.png
Yes but not only. It also comes from Ancient South Chinese/Austronesian speakers who came to Japan about 4000-5000 years ago via Taiwan and the Ryukyu Islands. People from South China even today are usually mesorrhine, but they are small in terms of number of population compared to the rest of China, and that's why in China the leptorrhine people dominate in terms of %.
Ruggery
03-21-2021, 10:51 PM
Yes. Choshius typically have straight-ish leptorrhine noses and also the Huanghoids of North China.
Something that caught my attention is that Mongloids tend to be hairless almost without body hair but in Japan there are people who grow body hair when their neighboring countries except Russia do not grow body hair.
Ruggery
03-21-2021, 10:52 PM
Yes. Choshius typically have straight-ish leptorrhine noses and also the Huanghoids of North China.
Something that caught my attention is that Mongloids tend to be hairless almost without body hair but in Japan there are people who grow body hair when their neighboring countries except Russia do not grow body hair.
Something that caught my attention is that Mongloids tend to be hairless almost without body hair but in Japan there are people who grow body hair when their neighboring countries except Russia do not grow body hair.
That is because of admixture with Ainus. Ainus are one of the most hairy people in the world. At least the original ones.
Oliver109
03-22-2021, 12:56 AM
That is because of admixture with Ainus. Ainus are one of the most hairy people in the world. At least the original ones.
Did they have any genetic connections with any of the Chinese?
Did they have any genetic connections with any of the Chinese?
Who? The Ainus?
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