Indid influence among Balkan Gypsy phenotypes

[ixulescu]

There seems to be a lot of confusion on how to classify Balkan gypsies. Not all Balkan gypsies show Indid traits, in fact they are a minority. The examples below are Romanian gypsies, but this generalizes well to Balkan gypsies.


I'm going to start with a phenotype that shows the most Indid. This particular woman looks fully Indian, but most likely she doesn't go over 50% South Asian on K13. Gypsies looking this Indid are very rare, but more moderate amounts of Indid are visible in about 20 to 25% of the gypsies.

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The gypsy woman below falls on the average amount of Indid in the Balkans, and yet Indid is barely visible. Most traits are Middle Eastern. Romanian gypsies with similar phenos score around 25% South Asian on K13.

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The gypsy woman below shows no Indid traits, and can be easily confused with any kind of more exotic Balkanite. Such phenos are not exclusive to gypsies in any way. People in the Balkans, but also foreigners now, are quick to assume that such phenos are always the result of gypsy admixture, but this is not true. In Romania, most of such exotic phenos have other origins (Tatar, Turkish, Caucasian, or a mixture of them combined with lots of East Med). Such types are about a third of the gypsies in Romania, but the non-gypsy population with similar traits is 3 or 4 times as large.

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[Impaler]

Anghel "Caliu" looks very Indian:

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[ixulescu]

Anghel "Caliu" looks very Indian:


he does, to some degree, but he doesn't pass for a full Indian. Beside Indid he's also Pamirid/Iranid.

[Impaler]

Not even full Indians score 100% Indian. Chamar for example has 77.02% Indian on K13 while Aryans as Punjabi around 43%. I have never ever seen a full Romani to score more than 31% Indian.

[ixulescu]

Not even full Indians score 100% Indian.

True, I've never said otherwise.



I have never ever seen a full Romani to score more than 31% Indian.

I've seen gypsies score over 40%.

[Impaler]

True, I've never said otherwise.



I've seen gypsies score over 40%.

Can you show me the results? I am very curious

[ixulescu]

You can classify these women if you want :)

[ixulescu]

Can you show me the results? I am very curious

Sorry, I just read them. I don't save results.

[Avicenna]

he does, to some degree, but he doesn't pass for a full Indian. Beside Indid he's also Pamirid/Iranid.

Where do you see that In him? Looks fully Indian

[Universe]

atypical gypsy from Bulgaria looking lowcaste Indian (the thumbnail guy, appears at 1:30)
This is the original gypsy look probably.
First woman in first post doesn't look fully indian to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJBGwgG3ar0

[Impaler]

Where do you see that In him? Looks fully Indian

Yes, very Indian.

https://youtu.be/qq2V-RWgd3s?t=68

[ixulescu]

Where do you see that In him? Looks fully Indian

I have worked with Indians and Pakistanis in IT for 20 years now. Most Balkan Gypsies do not pass in India, nor does this guy. He might pass in Pakistan.

Anyway, this is a minor point of contention. The point of this thread was to show that average Balkan Gypsies lean far more towards Middle Eastern phenos than towards Indid.

[Luso]

impossible to be balkans. Balkans are white ffs. stop trying to be exotic when u ain't as cool like that, i give the pass.

[ixulescu]

impossible to be balkans. Balkans are white ffs. stop trying to be exotic when u ain't as cool like that, i give the pass.

then there's Morti. he's not exotic and cool, he's white :lol:

[Luso]

then there's Morti. he's not exotic and cool, he's white :lol:

Most members here including Gypsy mixes are whiter than the clearly Original Hunter-Gatherer breed of which my ancestors derive from. We had black skin for a long time... and had to forage grapes to live for a time when all the animals ran away from their black skin. If you're white it is far more adaptable to hunt as the animals aren't scared.. they see innocence and say hi just to die by a your concealed blade... pure manipulation. Europeans have adapted this white skin, so these brown people aren't the European breed which has hunting advantage, which is why they are taller, and stronger in modern times. BUT they lack the hairiness that my hunter gatherer ancestors have, the high T levels scared every lifeform away and it became hard to survive. No one wanted to mate with black skinned europeans :(

[ixulescu]

Most members here including Gypsy mixes are whiter than the clearly Original Hunter-Gatherer breed of which my ancestors derive from. We had black skin for a long time... and had to forage grapes to live for a time when all the animals ran away from their black skin. If you're white it is far more adaptable to hunt as the animals aren't scared.. they see innocence and say hi just to die by a your concealed blade... pure manipulation. Europeans have adapted this white skin, so these brown people aren't the European breed which has hunting advantage, which is why they are taller, and stronger in modern times. BUT they lack the hairiness that my hunter gatherer ancestors have, the high T levels scared every lifeform away and it became hard to survive. No one wanted to mate with black skinned europeans :(

covid hit you hard, man lol

[Avicenna]

I have worked with Indians and Pakistanis in IT for 20 years now. Most Balkan Gypsies do not pass in India, nor does this guy. He might pass in Pakistan.

Anyway, this is a minor point of contention. The point of this thread was to show that average Balkan Gypsies lean far more towards Middle Eastern phenos than towards Indid.

I never claimed that Balkan gypsies look indian, I just asked where do you see iranid / pamirid in that extremely Indian looking gypsy? The man looks fully Indian from Bombay , balkan gypsy or not. Alot of Balkan gypsies can pass in Pakistan , not so much in India I agree .

[Luso]

I never claimed that Balkan gypsies look indian, I just asked where do you see iranid / pamirid in that extremely Indian looking gypsy? The man looks fully Indian from Bombay , balkan gypsy or not. Alot of Balkan gypsies can pass in Pakistan , not so much in India I agree .

my theory is that ur ancestors invaded and replaced most of these brown people who were just looking to farm peacefully. Be ashamed of yourself... Iranians are the ancestors of Swedish warlords, who got so cold they depigmented and their dna genomic data interluded, Floccinaucinihilipilificatied, and multiplied into the snow fractions fissures... creating a new ancient genome that isn't analyzable atm.