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Axios

03-14-2021, 04:04 AM

Hello, i have my G25 coordinates. I really dont know how to use them and i cant interpretate my results either, a guy from a Facebook page helped me and he pasted the coordinates as im getting constant spacing errors, special thanks to Adamm and Spaniard 2.0

Ouail_scaled,-0.010244,0.13405,0.001508,-0.060401,0.022773,-0.029005,-0.023501,0.003231,0.060335,0.019681,0.002923,-0.003747,0.019772,-0.015964,0.019272,-0.017502,0.002217,-0.017103,-0.038589,0.010005,-0.01722,-0.033634,0.026129,0.001687,-0.001197

Ouail,-0.0009,0.0132,0.0004,-0.0187,0.0074,-0.0104,-0.01,0.0014,0.0295,0.0108,0.0018,-0.0025,0.0133,-0.0116,0.0142,-0.0132,0.0017,-0.0135,-0.0307,0.008,-0.0138,-0.0272,0.0212,0.0014,-0.001

Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 2.0334% / 0.02033372
31.0 MAR_Taforalt
23.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
19.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
16.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.0 Levant_PPNB
2.0 Dinka
1.4 Yoruba
0.8 ETH_4500BP

https://i.ibb.co/jLwYm0b/FB-IMG-1615694212542.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/tKyHvgw/FB-IMG-1615694208788.jpg

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 04:18 AM

Amazing dude. Which Nothern Moroccan Amazigh tribe your mother told you your family belong to?

Axios

03-14-2021, 04:22 AM

Amazing dude. Which Nothern Moroccan Amazigh tribe your mother told you your family belong to?

Ibbequyyen

Dr_Maul

03-14-2021, 04:27 AM

Your very homogenous overall even less SSA than some Levantines.
Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 1.4418% / 0.01441786
40.4 Early_European_Farmer
29.8 Iberomaurusian
17.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
6.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer
3.8 Africa_Mesolithic
1.2 Iran_Neolithic
0.8 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

Did you get 100% North African or MENA on your commercial test? You are a bit Northern shifted
Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 1.4116% / 0.01411635 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
9.2 Tunisian_Berber_Zraoua
5.6 Shetlandic
4.4 Komi
2.6 Kaitag
1.8 Moroccan_North

Axios

03-14-2021, 04:29 AM

Dr_Maul

03-14-2021, 04:38 AM

My test was myheritage (xd) 66% na 33% euro

I saw some other Amazigh on YT doing Myheritage and they got almost the exact same. 60-70% NA big Iberian the rest a little bit of Italian and Ashkenazi. I think your results are extremely typical you would probably get over 95% NA on 23andme. Either way your Northern shift is probably from Morisco era, anyways great results!

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 04:42 AM

Indeed thank you for your analyze our Luri/Iranic brother. Long live eternal Iran.

Axios

03-14-2021, 04:43 AM

I saw some other Amazigh on YT doing Myheritage and they got almost the exact same. 60-70% NA big Iberian the rest a little bit of Italian and Ashkenazi. I think your results are extremely typical you would probably get over 95% NA on 23andme. Either way your Northern shift is probably from Morisco era, anyways great results!

Thanks for the help and for contributing. Btw why do we get so much iberian with myheritage? Why is it so unrealistic. And what do you mean with the northern shift? Those weird small north european results i have?

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 04:47 AM

Thanks for the help and for contributing. Btw why do we get so much iberian with myheritage? Why is it so unrealistic. And what do you mean with the northern shift? Those weird small north european results i have?

It's probably that each company has a different methodology and a different calculator with different algorithm /population data set.

Myheritage use Souss or something as reference I think instead of Guanche or Chenini_Douiret which arecloser in time space and genealogical lineage.

Dr_Maul

03-14-2021, 04:57 AM

Thanks for the help and for contributing. Btw why do we get so much iberian with myheritage? Why is it so unrealistic. And what do you mean with the northern shift? Those weird small north european results i have?

Myheritage is kind of iffy and to be honest I think it is because of references. Most likely they use a more "southern" reference for North Africans, maybe some insular or more SSA/Arab influenced people. So it compensates for your more pure admixture I guess. No doubt on 23andme you would get 95-100% North African. Yes, you have a small bit of extra N European influence. This is possibly Morisco or simply natural related, idk to be honest.

Axios

03-14-2021, 05:00 AM

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 05:03 AM

Haha it's complicated stuff for our poor souls but i think we're close to the understanding. Plus companies rarely give all the secrets of how they work.

Axios

03-14-2021, 05:07 AM

Haha it's complicated stuff for our poor souls but i think we're close to the understanding. Plus companies rarely give all the secrets of how they work.

I've seen MyHeritage has plans to update the current calculator they use. It will be interesting to see how MENA results change.

lockdownboredom

03-14-2021, 05:14 AM

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 05:22 AM

To narrow down SSA admixture, remove MAR_Taforalt from the model as it is already SSA admixed and consequently swallows most of your SSA.

Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 7.8656% / 0.07865586
64.2 Levant_PPNB
18.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8 Gambian
4.6 Dinka
2.4 WHG
0.8 TUR_Barcin_N
That's trolling actually. Look at the distance is huge at 7%. Dinka and Gambians aren't pure SSA. There is West Eurasian and Paleolithic Basal Eurasian admixtures within those populations. Besides Levant_PPNB is too WHG shifted and not enough Basal Eurasian to balance out the Iberomaurusian component.

With an accurate ANA component, Ouail would be closest to 5%.

lockdownboredom

03-14-2021, 05:48 AM

That's trolling actually. Look at the distance is huge 7%. Dinka and Gambians aren't pure SSA. There is West Eurasian and Basal Eurasian admixtures within those populations.

With an accurate ANA component, Ouaili would be closest to 6%.

Closest modern populations to those two ancient individuals.
Distance to: Gambian
0.01176481 Gambia_JOLA:per128

https://afrotourism.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/International-Roots-Festival-Gambia.jpg

Distance to: Dinka
0.01163605 Dinka:B_Dinka-3

https://live.staticflickr.com/8389/8467571411_ba2671d592_b.jpg

If they aren't the epitome of SSA, I don't know what is.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 05:56 AM

Closest modern populations to those two ancient individuals.
Distance to: Gambian
0.01176481 Gambia_JOLA:per128

Distance to: Dinka
0.01163605 Dinka:B_Dinka-3
If they aren't the epitome of SSA, I don't know what is.

Your model with only Levant_PPNB and Yamnaya_RUS_Samara is basically just terrible but you keep going to your misconception, mister 'abdc'. Keep trolling.

Yes wait till we have ancient DNA from Paleolithic and Neolithic from Africa. You think Dinka became Farmers without Eurasian admixture and you think there's no IBM/Basal Eurasian/Eurasian admixture in Gambians with Neanderthal alleles.

lockdownboredom

03-14-2021, 06:06 AM

Your model with only Levant_PPNB and Yamnaya_RUS_Samara is basically just terrible but you keep going to your misconception, mister 'abdc'. Keep trolling.

Yes wait till we have ancient DNA from Paleolithic and Neolithic from Africa. You think Dinka became Farmers without Eurasian admixture and you think there's no IBM/Basal Eurasian/Eurasian admixture in Gambians with Neanderthal alleles.

I'm sorry I made you butthurt please accept my thumbs up as a form of compassion and solidarity.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 06:18 AM

I'm sorry I made you butthurt please accept my thumbs up as a form of compassion and solidarity.
Lol well it's not a question of butthurt actually. I wouldn't mind if Axios reaches above 5%. It's actually a question of acurrancy. DNA is only at its fancy days and many people don't understand how it works nor how to interpret it. You are a typical example of this as many because you think Axios scoring 4% Dinka in your model means he actually score 4% of the SSA/deep within modern Dinka. Its not the case, since modern Dinka are Eurasian admixed and are not representative any deep SSA ancestry Axios really has. Comeback when you will have a pure North-East African Mesolithic sample to rivalize with Iberomaurusians or Natufians. And then come back again unfortunately later with a pure Paleolithic North-East African sample devoided of any Basal Eurasian affinity with 100% certainty so one will have the clearest picture ever.

Zanzibar

03-14-2021, 07:49 AM

That's trolling actually. Look at the distance is huge at 7%. Dinka and Gambians aren't pure SSA. There is West Eurasian and Paleolithic Basal Eurasian admixtures within those populations. Besides Levant_PPNB is too WHG shifted and not enough Basal Eurasian to balance out the Iberomaurusian component.

With an accurate ANA component, Ouail would be closest to 5%.

Sorry for butting in, but wanted to say that not all Gambians have West Eurasian admixture. Not sure about Basal Eurasian, but a lot of Gambians actually don't have West Eurasian admixture.

Here is what I mean:

https://i.imgur.com/KAbMSPB.png

https://i.imgur.com/6c4LEVO.png

https://i.imgur.com/IxiEs6K.png

https://i.imgur.com/ng0cLNP.png

Zanzibar

03-14-2021, 08:23 AM

Closest modern populations to those two ancient individuals.
Distance to: Gambian
0.01176481 Gambia_JOLA:per128

https://afrotourism.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/International-Roots-Festival-Gambia.jpg

Distance to: Dinka
0.01163605 Dinka:B_Dinka-3

https://live.staticflickr.com/8389/8467571411_ba2671d592_b.jpg

If they aren't the epitome of SSA, I don't know what is.

Are you referring to Gambians and Dinka as ancient individuals? They aren't. They are modern populations.

Also if you wanted the "purest" Gambians who don't show any Eurasian affinity, you should use these Jola samples:

https://i.imgur.com/lUilZpX.png

https://i.imgur.com/7BKWDTs.png

And maybe some Wolofs:

https://i.imgur.com/IxiEs6K.png

https://i.imgur.com/ng0cLNP.png

lockdownboredom

03-14-2021, 10:39 AM

Are you referring to Gambians and Dinka as ancient individuals? They aren't. They are modern populations.

Also if you wanted the "purest" Gambians who don't show any Eurasian affinity, you should use these Jola samples:

https://i.imgur.com/lUilZpX.png

https://i.imgur.com/7BKWDTs.png

And maybe some Wolofs:

https://i.imgur.com/IxiEs6K.png

https://i.imgur.com/ng0cLNP.png

The Gambian and Dinka are from the Global25 standard calculator (the first calc result in the OP), I was under the impression that this calculator is based on Ancient individuals, correct me if I'm wrong.

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Global-standard.htm

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 10:48 AM

Sorry for butting in, but wanted to say that not all Gambians have West Eurasian admixture. Not sure about Basal Eurasian, but a lot of Gambians actually don't have West Eurasian admixture.

Here is what I mean:

https://i.imgur.com/KAbMSPB.png

https://i.imgur.com/6c4LEVO.png

https://i.imgur.com/IxiEs6K.png

https://i.imgur.com/ng0cLNP.png
Yoruba already has Western Eurasian admixture within it.
Wait till Mesolithic African samples will come out.

Gambians scoring Eurasian admixture outside the Yoruba cluster probably have Fulani or North African type ancestry

Zanzibar

03-14-2021, 12:03 PM

Yoruba already has Western Eurasian admixture within it.
Wait till Mesolithic African samples will come out.

Gambians scoring Eurasian admixture outside the Yoruba cluster probably have Fulani or recent North African type ancestry

From what I learn on Anthrogenica, it is not necessarily West Eurasian but some type of early-Eurasian affinity before the split of Eastern and Western Eurasian that the Yoruba have.

Moreover, the new G25 Gambian individual samples seem to be even more basal and faraway from Eurasians than Yoruba are, judging by the coordinates:

For example look at the first coordinate of these ethnic Jolas and some Wolofs from Gambia:

Gambia_JOLA:per147,-0.66928,0.06804,0.024513,0.00969,-0.001539,0.010319,-0.028671,0.038537,-0.047245,0.029158,0.006008,-0.002997,0.02557,0.004129,0.008007,-0.013789,0.009779,0.009375,-0.004148,0,0.000125,0.002226,-0.002711,-0.007109,-0.00491

Gambia_JOLA:per162,-0.660174,0.062963,0.024136,0.007429,-0.005539,0.011713,-0.028201,0.03946,-0.038655,0.02934,0.006171,-0.009591,0.017988,0.00055,0.005022,-0.009281,0.011995,0.004434,0.00176,-5e-04,-0.002371,-0.00507,-0.001109,-0.008194,-0.000958

Gambia_WOLLOF:per203,-0.64993,0.066009,0.021496,0.008721,-0.003693,0.011713,-0.030316,0.038998,-0.035996,0.025513,0.007632,-0.005245,0.025421,0.003303,0.011536,-0.013789,0.012386,-0.00114,0.000251,-0.002001,-0.003743,-0.005193,-0.000493,0.002651,0.001916

Gambia_WOLLOF:per210,-0.648792,0.062963,0.020742,0.008398,-0.001539,0.01255,-0.040422,0.044998,-0.042132,0.030616,0.006983,-0.003747,0.019029,0.001651,0.013029,-0.007955,0.010952,-0.001774,0.000126,-0.001501,-0.001872,-0.005812,0.000739,-0.002892,-0.003592

And compared them to Yoruba, Dinka, Pygmy, Khoisan and Iraqw (a South Cushitic ethnic group from Tanzania) and Ethiopian_Tigray:

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995

Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944

Khomani_San:S_Khomani_San-2.DG,-0.63058,0.057885,0.022627,0.030685,-0.002154,-0.001394,0.23172,-0.1763,0.01084,0.008565,0.004547,-0.053652,-0.019029,0.004542,0.015472,-0.022938,0.024903,0.257431,-0.087109,0.003627,-0.034564,-0.005812,0.002958,-0.00482,0.000958

Iraqw,-0.354559,0.085812,-0.0213075,-0.0563635,0.000154,-0.0292835,-0.0008225,-0.0119995,0.1063525,-0.0768125,-0.007226,-0.0062945,-0.008622,-0.0001375,0.01934,-0.019955,0.0174715,0.010832,0.0042735,-0.0072535,-0.0010605,0.005688,0.001294,-0.003675,0.002694

Ethiopian_Tigray,-0.2150588,0.1071084,-0.0348282,-0.084854,0.0001992,-0.0398486,-0.0165753,-0.0006107,0.1012874,-0.0604916,-0.0023595,-0.0137788,0.0197631,0.0014491,0.0210207,-0.009445,0.0116041,0.0001937,0.0058561,0.0030456,0 .0038535,0.0065244,-0.0030376,0.0030548,-0.0045504

The more negative the first coordinate is, the more "Negroid" and less Eurasian that particular SSA group is. So here it looks like these Gambian Jolas and Wolofs even have less Eurasian affinity and even more archaic African ancestry than the Yoruba do.

In a way you can even use these Gambian Jolas to model Yorubas and other West Africans.

Also from reading the discussions of other users, Tarofalt is around 55% ANA and 45% Western Eurasian (Dzudzuana).

mitalit

03-14-2021, 12:38 PM

A true riffian. Low SSA, high steppe and levant.
Amazing results bro

Leto

03-14-2021, 12:41 PM

A Moroccan with 16-17% Steppe? Aren't Spanish people barely 30%? I thought Moroccans and Algerians should score a single digit amount if not zero.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 01:12 PM

From what I learn on Anthrogenica, it is not necessarily West Eurasian but some type of early-Eurasian affinity before the split of Eastern and Western Eurasian that the Yoruba have.

Also from reading the discussions of other users, Tarofalt.
Honestly Athrogenica is full of douchebags, Zionists and afrocentrists gangbang. You didn't learn anything much you just got brain raped.

They have yes but they also have genuine from iberomaurusian input. For now without Ancient DNA from various periods you can't model Yoruba.

Zanzibar

03-14-2021, 01:25 PM

Honestly Athrogenica is full of douchebags, Zionists and afrocentrists gangbang. You didn't learn anything much you just got brain raped.

They have yes but they also have genuine from iberomaurusian input. For now without Ancient DNA from various periods you can't model Yoruba.

Maybe, but they seem really knowledgeable there and I do enjoyed learning many stuff from them.

Hmm you be could be right, but I don't think all Gambians or other West African Negroids have necessarily Iberomaurusian input. Look at these new G25 Gambian individual samples uploaded by David. They seem to be even more basal African and faraway from Eurasians than Yoruba are, judging by the coordinates:

For example look at the first coordinate of these ethnic Jolas and some Wolofs from Gambia:

Gambia_JOLA:per147,-0.66928,0.06804,0.024513,0.00969,-0.001539,0.010319,-0.028671,0.038537,-0.047245,0.029158,0.006008,-0.002997,0.02557,0.004129,0.008007,-0.013789,0.009779,0.009375,-0.004148,0,0.000125,0.002226,-0.002711,-0.007109,-0.00491

Gambia_JOLA:per162,-0.660174,0.062963,0.024136,0.007429,-0.005539,0.011713,-0.028201,0.03946,-0.038655,0.02934,0.006171,-0.009591,0.017988,0.00055,0.005022,-0.009281,0.011995,0.004434,0.00176,-5e-04,-0.002371,-0.00507,-0.001109,-0.008194,-0.000958

Gambia_WOLLOF:per203,-0.64993,0.066009,0.021496,0.008721,-0.003693,0.011713,-0.030316,0.038998,-0.035996,0.025513,0.007632,-0.005245,0.025421,0.003303,0.011536,-0.013789,0.012386,-0.00114,0.000251,-0.002001,-0.003743,-0.005193,-0.000493,0.002651,0.001916

Gambia_WOLLOF:per210,-0.648792,0.062963,0.020742,0.008398,-0.001539,0.01255,-0.040422,0.044998,-0.042132,0.030616,0.006983,-0.003747,0.019029,0.001651,0.013029,-0.007955,0.010952,-0.001774,0.000126,-0.001501,-0.001872,-0.005812,0.000739,-0.002892,-0.003592

And compared them to Yoruba, Dinka, Pygmy, Khoisan and Iraqw (a South Cushitic ethnic group from Tanzania) and Ethiopian_Tigray:

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995

Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944

Khomani_San:S_Khomani_San-2.DG,-0.63058,0.057885,0.022627,0.030685,-0.002154,-0.001394,0.23172,-0.1763,0.01084,0.008565,0.004547,-0.053652,-0.019029,0.004542,0.015472,-0.022938,0.024903,0.257431,-0.087109,0.003627,-0.034564,-0.005812,0.002958,-0.00482,0.000958

Iraqw,-0.354559,0.085812,-0.0213075,-0.0563635,0.000154,-0.0292835,-0.0008225,-0.0119995,0.1063525,-0.0768125,-0.007226,-0.0062945,-0.008622,-0.0001375,0.01934,-0.019955,0.0174715,0.010832,0.0042735,-0.0072535,-0.0010605,0.005688,0.001294,-0.003675,0.002694

Ethiopian_Tigray,-0.2150588,0.1071084,-0.0348282,-0.084854,0.0001992,-0.0398486,-0.0165753,-0.0006107,0.1012874,-0.0604916,-0.0023595,-0.0137788,0.0197631,0.0014491,0.0210207,-0.009445,0.0116041,0.0001937,0.0058561,0.0030456,0 .0038535,0.0065244,-0.0030376,0.0030548,-0.0045504

The more negative the first coordinate is, the more Negroid and less Eurasian that particular SSA group is. So here it looks like these Gambian Jolas and Wolofs even have less Eurasian affinity and even more archaic Negroid ancestry than the Yoruba do.

In a way you can even use these Gambian Jolas to model Yorubas and other West Africans.

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 01:36 PM

you have high amount of steppe but strangely it doesn't correlate with your EEF which should be higher logically :confused:

Axios

03-14-2021, 01:46 PM

you have high amount of steppe but strangely it doesn't correlate with your EEF which should be higher logically :confused:

What does EEF mean?

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 01:50 PM

Last time they literraly gangraped Nassbean. They finished him by banning him.

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 02:00 PM

What does EEF mean?

EEF are the iberian farmers who settled during the late neolithic in North Africa (these iberian farmers originally came from anatolia they were not similar to modern iberians) and if you had recent european/iberian ancestors this component should be higher (in correlation with your high steppe which is also a european component)

Here my results in comparison so you can understand :

Target: Hamilcar_scaled
Distance: 2.9501% / 0.02950090
46.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 Yoruba
5.0 Levant_Natufian
1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 WHG

as you can see I have higher EEF (also score a bit of WHG which is also european) but lower steppe than you. Maybe your euro side is not iberian but something more northern or maybe your riffian side is really pure and retained more bronze age bell beaker ancestry but that seems very unlikely.

I'm not fully riffian btw

Also with another model I made your iberia_N (EEF) is quite low but not your steppe ancestry :

Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 1.8980% / 0.01898010
28.2 MAR_EN
26.6 Levant_PPNC
19.0 Corded_Ware_DEU
18.0 Iberia_N
5.2 GEO_CHG
3.0 SSA

Target: Hamilcar_scaled
Distance: 2.3127% / 0.02312726
31.6 Iberia_N
25.8 MAR_EN
18.6 Levant_PPNC
13.0 Corded_Ware_DEU
6.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 SSA

Maybe you have a recent english ancestor idk

Axios

03-14-2021, 02:21 PM

EEF are the iberian farmers who settled during the late neolithic in North Africa (these iberian farmers originally came from anatolia they were not similar to modern iberians) and if you had recent european/iberian ancestors this component should be higher (in correlation with your high steppe which is also a european component)

Here my results in comparison so you can understand :

Target: Hamilcar_scaled
Distance: 2.9501% / 0.02950090
46.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 Yoruba
5.0 Levant_Natufian
1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 WHG

as you can see I have higher EEF (also score a bit of WHG which is also european) but lower steppe than you. Maybe your euro side is not iberian but something more northern or maybe your riffian side is really pure and retained more bronze age bell beaker ancestry but that seems very unlikely.

I'm not fully riffian btw

Also with another model I made your iberia_N (EEF) is quite low but not your steppe ancestry :

Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 1.8980% / 0.01898010
28.2 MAR_EN
26.6 Levant_PPNC
19.0 Corded_Ware_DEU
18.0 Iberia_N
5.2 GEO_CHG
3.0 SSA

Target: Hamilcar_scaled
Distance: 2.3127% / 0.02312726
31.6 Iberia_N
25.8 MAR_EN
18.6 Levant_PPNC
13.0 Corded_Ware_DEU
6.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 SSA

Maybe you have a recent english ancestor idk

Yeah, people in Facebook pages agree that i have some weird northern euro traces, like Dr_Maul said i have these small percentajes 5.6 Shetlandic
4.4 Komi
2.6 Kaitag

Adamm

03-14-2021, 02:34 PM

Zanzibar

03-14-2021, 02:49 PM

Yeah, people in Facebook pages agree that i have some weird northern euro traces, like Dr_Maul said i have these small percentajes 5.6 Shetlandic
4.4 Komi
2.6 Kaitag

The Komi and Kaitag you are scoring could indicate that you have some East Eurasian/Mongoloid admix as Komis are a Finno-Ugric tribe from Northern Russia who have approximately 17-25% or more East Eurasian ancestry and Kaitag is a West Asian ethnic group from Dagestan which is in the Caucasus who seem to have some Mongoloid ancestry as well.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 02:50 PM

EEF are the iberian farmers who settled during the late neolithic in North Africa (these iberian farmers originally came from anatolia they were not similar to modern iberians) and if you had recent european/iberian ancestors this component should be higher (in correlation with your high steppe which is also a european component)

Here my results in comparison so you can understand :

Target: Hamilcar_scaled
Distance: 2.9501% / 0.02950090
46.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 Yoruba
5.0 Levant_Natufian
1.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 WHG

as you can see I have higher EEF (also score a bit of WHG which is also european) but lower steppe than you. Maybe your euro side is not iberian but something more northern or maybe your riffian side is really pure and retained more bronze age bell beaker ancestry but that seems very unlikely.

Well that's because your model aren't good. We don't use Iberian N since they are too late and have absorbed abit too much WHG compared to MAR_LN/KEB who are more prestine Anatolian_Neolithic. When you do that, the steppe ancestry of Ouail makes more sense and the proportion of higher Steppe versus his Anatolian Neolithic are more consistent for him. Also 6% Natufian in him would correspond to 15% Levant Neolithic, not 26 (that's higher than any Guanche lol). Levant PPN is something like 45% Anatolian Neolithic 50% Natufian.

Overall he's noticeably more North-Western shifted indeed and also abit more Iberomaurusian.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 02:58 PM

Your results don't reflect a normal riffian profile, you have the highest steppe admixture of all the individuals of Moroccan descent that I've come across. Here you can see a list in order to compare yourself with the other samples I manage. Your SSA is normal for a Northern Morocco, your EEF is a bit lower than usual but your Steppe is definitely higher than normal:

https://i.imgur.com/L5X5RCi.png

He said he doesn't know much his father. But he does know his mother who is from ibeqoyen. Well either Baqoya tribe is more Steppe shifted and more Iberomaurusian, either he might have ancestry from places like Ghmara, Tetouan or Tangiers with higher steppe and thus some Moriscos ancestry or British/Northern Euro ancestry which is consistent with his high Steppe.

Axios

03-14-2021, 03:32 PM

Your results don't reflect a normal riffian profile, you have the highest steppe admixture of all the individuals of Moroccan descent that I've come across. Here you can see a list in order to compare yourself with the other samples I manage. Your SSA is normal for a Northern Morocco, your EEF is a bit lower than usual but your Steppe is definitely higher than normal:

https://i.imgur.com/L5X5RCi.png

I see baquya (i think thats my tribe ibequyen?) alhoceima (which is where i come from) has only 6,8 now that is very weird, maybe my sample got contaminated or something i dont know. How much SSA i have? 3,4%?

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 03:38 PM

I see baquya (i think thats my tribe ibequyen?) alhoceima (which is where i come from) has only 6,8 now that is very weird, maybe my sample got contaminated or something i dont know. How much SSA i have? 3,4%?

You have many tribesmen brothers out there.
And some are active on FB.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 03:41 PM

Maybe, but they seem really knowledgeable there and I do enjoyed learning many stuff from them.

Hmm you be could be right, but I don't think all Gambians or other West African Negroids have necessarily Iberomaurusian input. Look at these new G25 Gambian individual samples uploaded by David. They seem to be even more basal African and faraway from Eurasians than Yoruba are, judging by the coordinates:

For example look at the first coordinate of these ethnic Jolas and some Wolofs from Gambia:

Gambia_JOLA:per147,-0.66928,0.06804,0.024513,0.00969,-0.001539,0.010319,-0.028671,0.038537,-0.047245,0.029158,0.006008,-0.002997,0.02557,0.004129,0.008007,-0.013789,0.009779,0.009375,-0.004148,0,0.000125,0.002226,-0.002711,-0.007109,-0.00491

Gambia_JOLA:per162,-0.660174,0.062963,0.024136,0.007429,-0.005539,0.011713,-0.028201,0.03946,-0.038655,0.02934,0.006171,-0.009591,0.017988,0.00055,0.005022,-0.009281,0.011995,0.004434,0.00176,-5e-04,-0.002371,-0.00507,-0.001109,-0.008194,-0.000958

Gambia_WOLLOF:per203,-0.64993,0.066009,0.021496,0.008721,-0.003693,0.011713,-0.030316,0.038998,-0.035996,0.025513,0.007632,-0.005245,0.025421,0.003303,0.011536,-0.013789,0.012386,-0.00114,0.000251,-0.002001,-0.003743,-0.005193,-0.000493,0.002651,0.001916

Gambia_WOLLOF:per210,-0.648792,0.062963,0.020742,0.008398,-0.001539,0.01255,-0.040422,0.044998,-0.042132,0.030616,0.006983,-0.003747,0.019029,0.001651,0.013029,-0.007955,0.010952,-0.001774,0.000126,-0.001501,-0.001872,-0.005812,0.000739,-0.002892,-0.003592

And compared them to Yoruba, Dinka, Pygmy, Khoisan and Iraqw (a South Cushitic ethnic group from Tanzania) and Ethiopian_Tigray:

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995

Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944

Khomani_San:S_Khomani_San-2.DG,-0.63058,0.057885,0.022627,0.030685,-0.002154,-0.001394,0.23172,-0.1763,0.01084,0.008565,0.004547,-0.053652,-0.019029,0.004542,0.015472,-0.022938,0.024903,0.257431,-0.087109,0.003627,-0.034564,-0.005812,0.002958,-0.00482,0.000958

Iraqw,-0.354559,0.085812,-0.0213075,-0.0563635,0.000154,-0.0292835,-0.0008225,-0.0119995,0.1063525,-0.0768125,-0.007226,-0.0062945,-0.008622,-0.0001375,0.01934,-0.019955,0.0174715,0.010832,0.0042735,-0.0072535,-0.0010605,0.005688,0.001294,-0.003675,0.002694

Ethiopian_Tigray,-0.2150588,0.1071084,-0.0348282,-0.084854,0.0001992,-0.0398486,-0.0165753,-0.0006107,0.1012874,-0.0604916,-0.0023595,-0.0137788,0.0197631,0.0014491,0.0210207,-0.009445,0.0116041,0.0001937,0.0058561,0.0030456,0 .0038535,0.0065244,-0.0030376,0.0030548,-0.0045504

The more negative the first coordinate is, the more Negroid and less Eurasian that particular SSA group is. So here it looks like these Gambian Jolas and Wolofs even have less Eurasian affinity and even more archaic Negroid ancestry than the Yoruba do.

In a way you can even use these Gambian Jolas to model Yorubas and other West Africans. I learnt more from you than a day there.

That's interesting stuff minus lack of ancient data though.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 03:46 PM

Maybe, but they seem really knowledgeable there and I do enjoyed learning many stuff from them.

Hmm you be could be right, but I don't think all Gambians or other West African Negroids have necessarily Iberomaurusian input. Look at these new G25 Gambian individual samples uploaded by David. They seem to be even more basal African and faraway from Eurasians than Yoruba are, judging by the coordinates:

For example look at the first coordinate of these ethnic Jolas and some Wolofs from Gambia:

Gambia_JOLA:per147,-0.66928,0.06804,0.024513,0.00969,-0.001539,0.010319,-0.028671,0.038537,-0.047245,0.029158,0.006008,-0.002997,0.02557,0.004129,0.008007,-0.013789,0.009779,0.009375,-0.004148,0,0.000125,0.002226,-0.002711,-0.007109,-0.00491

Gambia_JOLA:per162,-0.660174,0.062963,0.024136,0.007429,-0.005539,0.011713,-0.028201,0.03946,-0.038655,0.02934,0.006171,-0.009591,0.017988,0.00055,0.005022,-0.009281,0.011995,0.004434,0.00176,-5e-04,-0.002371,-0.00507,-0.001109,-0.008194,-0.000958

Gambia_WOLLOF:per203,-0.64993,0.066009,0.021496,0.008721,-0.003693,0.011713,-0.030316,0.038998,-0.035996,0.025513,0.007632,-0.005245,0.025421,0.003303,0.011536,-0.013789,0.012386,-0.00114,0.000251,-0.002001,-0.003743,-0.005193,-0.000493,0.002651,0.001916

Gambia_WOLLOF:per210,-0.648792,0.062963,0.020742,0.008398,-0.001539,0.01255,-0.040422,0.044998,-0.042132,0.030616,0.006983,-0.003747,0.019029,0.001651,0.013029,-0.007955,0.010952,-0.001774,0.000126,-0.001501,-0.001872,-0.005812,0.000739,-0.002892,-0.003592

And compared them to Yoruba, Dinka, Pygmy, Khoisan and Iraqw (a South Cushitic ethnic group from Tanzania) and Ethiopian_Tigray:

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995

Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944

Khomani_San:S_Khomani_San-2.DG,-0.63058,0.057885,0.022627,0.030685,-0.002154,-0.001394,0.23172,-0.1763,0.01084,0.008565,0.004547,-0.053652,-0.019029,0.004542,0.015472,-0.022938,0.024903,0.257431,-0.087109,0.003627,-0.034564,-0.005812,0.002958,-0.00482,0.000958

Iraqw,-0.354559,0.085812,-0.0213075,-0.0563635,0.000154,-0.0292835,-0.0008225,-0.0119995,0.1063525,-0.0768125,-0.007226,-0.0062945,-0.008622,-0.0001375,0.01934,-0.019955,0.0174715,0.010832,0.0042735,-0.0072535,-0.0010605,0.005688,0.001294,-0.003675,0.002694

Ethiopian_Tigray,-0.2150588,0.1071084,-0.0348282,-0.084854,0.0001992,-0.0398486,-0.0165753,-0.0006107,0.1012874,-0.0604916,-0.0023595,-0.0137788,0.0197631,0.0014491,0.0210207,-0.009445,0.0116041,0.0001937,0.0058561,0.0030456,0 .0038535,0.0065244,-0.0030376,0.0030548,-0.0045504

The more negative the first coordinate is, the more Negroid and less Eurasian that particular SSA group is. So here it looks like these Gambian Jolas and Wolofs even have less Eurasian affinity and even more archaic Negroid ancestry than the Yoruba do.

In a way you can even use these Gambian Jolas to model Yorubas and other West Africans.

Very interesting.
But it would be surprising Wolofs have less Eurasian admixtures than Yoruba, especially from Senegal, more samples are needed and Ancient Data is crucial above all.

Adamm

03-14-2021, 03:56 PM

I see baquya (i think thats my tribe ibequyen?) alhoceima (which is where i come from) has only 6,8 now that is very weird, maybe my sample got contaminated or something i dont know. How much SSA i have? 3,4%?

On this model you have 3,4 SSA (yoruba) but don't forget that the IBM component also holds SSA-like admixture.

Leto

03-14-2021, 04:24 PM

The Komi and Kaitag you are scoring could indicate that you have some East Eurasian/Mongoloid admix as Komis are a Finno-Ugric tribe from Northern Russia who have approximately 17-25% or more East Eurasian ancestry and Kaitag is a West Asian ethnic group from Dagestan which is in the Caucasus who seem to have some Mongoloid ancestry as well.
The Komi average is around 18% EE or so if that's the same data set I used on Gedmatch. And the Kaitags are not Mongoloid, they are Dargin people from Dagestan. Technically West Asian but they have a lot of white admixture too.

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 04:41 PM

Leto

03-14-2021, 04:44 PM

The OP prob'ly has a white mother or something. G25 can be confusing as frick, I need to see the Gedmatch.

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 04:46 PM

Well that's because your model aren't good. We don't use Iberian N since they are too late and have gotten abit too much WHG compared to MAR_LN/KEB who are more prestine Anatolian_Neolithic. When you do that, the steppe ancestry of Ouail makes more sense and the proportion of higher Steppe versus his Anatolian Neolithic are more consistent for him. Also 6% Natufian in him would correspond to 15% Levant Neolithic, not 26 (that's higher than any Guanche lol). Levant PPN is something like 45% Anatolian N 50% Natufian.

Overall he's noticeably more North-Western shifted indeed and also abit more Iberomaurusian.

Iberia_N were basically the farmers who gave birth to KEB no ? KEB itself is not fully european. It's a model that is historically correct if we suppose capsians derive from this Levant_PPNC.

Axios

03-14-2021, 04:52 PM

The OP prob'ly has a white mother or something. G25 can be confusing as frick, I need to see the Gedmatch.

No, my mother is riffian. According to her my father is also riffian but in his family there are blonde/red haired grandmothers maybe that has to do something, but as i said i dont really know much about my father.

RatCat

03-14-2021, 04:52 PM

What's your Y-DNA haplogroup??

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 04:54 PM

Iberia_N were basically the farmers who gave birth to KEB no ? KEB itself is not fully european. It's a model that is historically correct if we suppose capsians derive from this Levant_PPNC. Well Iberian N is more late and contomprary with KEB and quite WHG shifted, they worked fine for you but not for Axios. Model with Anatolian Neolithic and Steppe works better for Axios, we have to take in account making sense too.

Altaylı

03-14-2021, 04:59 PM

nice results bro greetings from Turkey :thumb001:

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 05:01 PM

Well Iberian N is more late and contomprary with KEB and quite WHG shifted, they worked fine for you but not for Axios. Model with Anatolian Neolithic and Steppe works better for Axios, we have to take in account making sense too.

yes but these iberian farmers who came in North Africa were already WHG shifted (and at the end does it really matter because NAs have negligeable amount of WHG) and the model seems to work fine he indeed has more levantine, less ssa, more IBM, more steppe and less EEF than me so I don't see what went wrong here. I even score some Iran_N which might be linked to my paternal side.

also distance for him is better than me so the model better worked for him it seems. It's obvious that he has a north european ancestor in his lineage, all the model used for him show a strange pattern of low EEF and high steppe.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 05:01 PM

No, my mother is riffian. According to her my father is also riffian but in his family there are blonde/red haired grandmothers maybe that has to do something, but as i said i dont really know much about my father.

If you will, you should go to clindfinder. There you download your raw data, so you will got a prediction of your Y-DNA. It could be E1b1b, J or T1 for example.

Adamm

03-14-2021, 05:02 PM

I never understood why you don't use natufian in this model

The Natufian is only relevant for people with Arab admixture, this model is good for North Africans who are non-admixtured from Arabs or other peoples. What I see with G25 is that IBM and Natufian sometimes absorbs each other for no good reasons, so when I use IBM only for North Africans I rarely see any difference in the fit so why use Natufian when the fit stays good with IBM? The fit only gets worse for people with Arab ancestry which is a good thing, it basically filters our people with foreign admixture and non-foreign admixture. Here you can see a Moroccan Arab who gets a bad fit in this model:

https://i.imgur.com/NXIyI1O.png

All these Arab admixtured individuals have a bad fit from 3,0 +, when I add Natufian to the model they will get a good fit so it shows that they need that component unlike north africans who are non-admixtured, their fit stays good and doesnt change that much.

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 05:08 PM

The Natufian is only relevant for people with Arab admixture, this model is good for North Africans who are non-admixtured from Arabs or other peoples. What I see with G25 is that IBM and Natufian sometimes absorbs each other for no good reasons, so when I use IBM only for North Africans I rarely see any difference in the fit so why use Natufian when the fit stays good with IBM? The fit only gets worse for people with Arab ancestry which is a good thing, it basically filters our people with foreign admixture and non-foreign admixture. Here you can see a Moroccan Arab who gets a bad fit in this model:

All these Arab admixtured individuals have a bad fit from 3,0 +, when I add Natufian to the model they will get a good fit so it shows that they need that component unlike north africans who are non-admixtured, their fit stays good and doesnt change that much.

that's a false assumption because pre-islamic north africans already had Natufian ancestry same for modern "non-admixed" berbers (historically it might be linked to Capsians who came from the Near East and brought this proto-berber culture). But alright no problem do as you want mate the fit isn't that bad at the end

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 05:15 PM

yes but these iberian farmers who came in North Africa were already WHG shifted (and at the end does it really matter because NAs have negligeable amount of WHG) and the model seems to work fine he indeed has more levantine, less ssa, more IBM, more steppe and less EEF than me so I don't see what went wrong here. I even score some Iran_N which might be linked to my paternal side.

also distance for him is better than me so the model better worked for him it seems. It's obvious that he has a north european ancestor in his lineage, all the model used for him show a strange pattern of low EEF and high steppe.
Yes but Anatolian Neolithic within KEB is less WHG than Iberian N though. Just check it out, Iberian N absorbed more WHG over time.

Ok have you tried modeling him as Guanche + a North European population. Try this out and post it to see if you're thinking this is the best pattern. I don't find him alot more Levantine than you though (6% Natufian vs 4% Natufian in you shouldn't be a huge difference).

He definitely have a strange pattern of low Anatolian Neolithic and higher Steppe which is bizarre if it was Moriscos and less bizarre if it was Northern Euro related. He's also higher Levantine than you by some 2% factor which is interesting as he's full Riffian.

I think his SSA is similar to what I saw in many full Riffian mountaineers.

MisterGaga

03-14-2021, 05:18 PM

No, my mother is riffian. According to her my father is also riffian but in his family there are blonde/red haired grandmothers maybe that has to do something, but as i said i dont really know much about my father.

This is if you want to know your Y-DNA.
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Axios

03-14-2021, 05:24 PM

What's your Y-DNA haplogroup??

E-P177 probablly E-M81

Axios

03-14-2021, 05:26 PM

This is if you want to know your Y-DNA.
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

Morley: E1b
E-CTS1545 (E-CTS119, E-CTS1446)

https://cladefinder.yseq.net:

E-P177

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 05:28 PM

Yes but Anatolian Neolithic within KEB is less WHG than Iberian N though. Just check it out, Iberian N absorbed more WHG over time.

Ok have you tried modeling him as Guanche + a North European population. Try this out and post it to see if you're thinking this is the best pattern. I don't find him alot more Levantine than you though (6% Natufian vs 4% Natufian in you shouldn't be a huge difference).

He definitely have a strange pattern of low Anatolian Neolithic and higher Steppe which is bizarre if it was Moriscos and less bizarre if it was Northern Euro related. He's also higher Levantine than you by some 2% factor which is interesting as he's full Riffian.

I think his SSA is similar to what I saw in many full Riffian mountaineers.

I think I'm right :

Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 2.2173% / 0.02217343
86.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche
7.0 German
6.2 Polish

Target: Hamilcar_scaled
Distance: 2.6529% / 0.02652852
87.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche
6.2 Basque_Spanish
6.0 German

he strangely has less WHG than me too

Axios

03-14-2021, 05:30 PM

Yes but Anatolian Neolithic within KEB is less WHG than Iberian N though. Just check it out, Iberian N absorbed more WHG over time.

Ok have you tried modeling him as Guanche + a North European population. Try this out and post it to see if you're thinking this is the best pattern. I don't find him alot more Levantine than you though (6% Natufian vs 4% Natufian in you shouldn't be a huge difference).

He definitely have a strange pattern of low Anatolian Neolithic and higher Steppe which is bizarre if it was Moriscos and less bizarre if it was Northern Euro related. He's also higher Levantine than you by some 2% factor which is interesting as he's full Riffian.

I think his SSA is similar to what I saw in many full Riffian mountaineers.

People from facebook keep saying i have x admixture from north europe, some say germanic some say irish :confused:

https://i.ibb.co/FxLFVTk/160545004-10225080098966166-5394256175009130271-o.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/GtFhFDZ/160581608-10225468905732561-7106710630185858745-n.jpg

RatCat

03-14-2021, 05:34 PM

People from facebook keep saying i have x admixture from north europe, some say germanic some say irish :confused:

Vandals left their trace on you xdd

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 05:35 PM

Vandals left their trace on you xdd

that's impossible, his admixture is recent

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 05:37 PM

People from facebook keep saying i have x admixture from north europe, some say germanic some say irish :confused:

I'm honestly confused haha

Go try some calculators on Gedmatch (try K15, K13,K36 and dodecad K12b)

RatCat

03-14-2021, 05:38 PM

that's impossible, his admixture is recent

I know i was joking :D

Axios

03-14-2021, 05:42 PM

that's impossible, his admixture is recent

Thats what confuses me, my mother has no clue whatsoever about a recent european family member :( other than my father side has that light haired berber members that kinda look germanic i don't know much.

Axios

03-14-2021, 05:46 PM

Ok everyone, so i called my mother and she will send me pictures of my father's family, she told me his uncle and greatgrandmother etc look very germanic like maybe its because of that.

Axios

03-14-2021, 06:18 PM

For now i'll share some family photos from my mother side, little girl with the berber dress is my sister, old man is my grandfather (may he rest in peace).

https://i.ibb.co/nm8L6G6/9f464573-5b79-409d-ada9-b29477a22256.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/JzC49q4/083c47bf-cb34-4ebc-94bc-3c67c69aef70.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/qnk9qQw/312c88d8-37bc-433a-b84b-39e92641cbb4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hYPz31h/438d6d96-268a-4105-bc14-b7e899c54328.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/cbrNBS3/452d3b19-6038-422a-9909-e49378ac19b7.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/LzGqqf6/01201287-bd61-4d20-baf3-0d780e8d4526.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/1MBsk0r/a1e528c6-401d-49ef-95a3-46f382438e77.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3YWTwvz/c4200627-5d05-4d5e-aadd-2db7f39782c4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/D89Xwtq/df5135a3-6521-4bbd-a1fd-703f738ad094.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZTM8VG8/e50c18e5-d9cd-471d-b048-1e582a16829f.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/FDj8t8F/e0093712-bded-431f-a805-d54f36f390b4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/sq5pFS6/f9a14955-ebd9-4701-b04d-e5bffe1edfb6.jpg

yung axios crying

https://i.ibb.co/4jtfdZ3/c94a6040-69ed-4b5c-a3e2-9f546e8da884.jpg

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 06:32 PM

For now i'll share some family photos from my mother side, little girl with the berber dress is my sister, old man is my grandfather (may he rest in peace).

yung axios crying

https://i.ibb.co/4jtfdZ3/c94a6040-69ed-4b5c-a3e2-9f546e8da884.jpg

beautiful they all look very familiar lol and your grandmother looks central asian

Elias.99

03-14-2021, 06:34 PM

that's impossible, his admixture is recent

My theory is barbary slave trade. Berbers raided Scotland, Ireland and Iceland and brought back slaves.

All these below have significant NE ancestry

Algerian:ALGJ,-0.037562,0.13405,-0.010559,-0.07106,0.027697,-0.029005,-0.012691,-0.001615,0.050517,0.019499,0.007145,-0.016186,0.027205,-0.021332,0.012758,0.002784,-0.022817,-0.014949,-0.030168,-0.005503,-0.006489,-0.028811,0.014173,0.001687,-0.007065

Algerian:Algerian43A21,-0.068294,0.127957,-0.010559,-0.063308,0.016618,-0.029562,-0.025616,0.011769,0.050722,0.019317,0.013153,-0.005095,0.020069,-0.015414,0.017236,-0.003447,0.007562,-0.016343,-0.039846,0.003377,-0.007237,-0.030419,0.015529,0.00482,0.002754

Algerian:ALG140,-0.054635,0.125926,-0.001508,-0.062016,0.021542,-0.025937,-0.029611,0.01223,0.053585,0.028611,0.011692,-0.015886,0.022299,-0.026286,0.017101,-0.014452,-0.006258,-0.020397,-0.027151,0.015382,-0.007612,-0.025596,0.02391,0.003976,0.001557

Tunisian:Tunisian200000,-0.044391,0.13405,-0.017725,-0.081719,0.023389,-0.027331,-0.019271,0.001846,0.048472,0.014761,0.008607,-0.011989,0.033003,-0.009221,0.019951,-0.003978,-0.010691,-0.005574,-0.029916,0.003502,-0.010482,-0.020774,0.011462,0.006868,0.002395

Moroccan_South:ERR20,-0.339193,0.097491,0.008297,-0.034238,0.011694,-0.015339,-0.031491,0.028153,0.02802,0.023144,0.009581,-0.001798,0.017393,-0.010459,0.022801,-0.016706,-0.00352,-0.014316,-0.021494,-0.004502,-0.014849,-0.021887,0.01972,0.008796,0.006586

Hamilcar

03-14-2021, 07:09 PM

My theory is barbary slave trade. Berbers raided Scotland, Ireland and Iceland and brought back slaves.

All these below have significant NE ancestry

Algerian:ALGJ,-0.037562,0.13405,-0.010559,-0.07106,0.027697,-0.029005,-0.012691,-0.001615,0.050517,0.019499,0.007145,-0.016186,0.027205,-0.021332,0.012758,0.002784,-0.022817,-0.014949,-0.030168,-0.005503,-0.006489,-0.028811,0.014173,0.001687,-0.007065

Algerian:Algerian43A21,-0.068294,0.127957,-0.010559,-0.063308,0.016618,-0.029562,-0.025616,0.011769,0.050722,0.019317,0.013153,-0.005095,0.020069,-0.015414,0.017236,-0.003447,0.007562,-0.016343,-0.039846,0.003377,-0.007237,-0.030419,0.015529,0.00482,0.002754

Algerian:ALG140,-0.054635,0.125926,-0.001508,-0.062016,0.021542,-0.025937,-0.029611,0.01223,0.053585,0.028611,0.011692,-0.015886,0.022299,-0.026286,0.017101,-0.014452,-0.006258,-0.020397,-0.027151,0.015382,-0.007612,-0.025596,0.02391,0.003976,0.001557

Tunisian:Tunisian200000,-0.044391,0.13405,-0.017725,-0.081719,0.023389,-0.027331,-0.019271,0.001846,0.048472,0.014761,0.008607,-0.011989,0.033003,-0.009221,0.019951,-0.003978,-0.010691,-0.005574,-0.029916,0.003502,-0.010482,-0.020774,0.011462,0.006868,0.002395

Moroccan_South:ERR20,-0.339193,0.097491,0.008297,-0.034238,0.011694,-0.015339,-0.031491,0.028153,0.02802,0.023144,0.009581,-0.001798,0.017393,-0.010459,0.022801,-0.016706,-0.00352,-0.014316,-0.021494,-0.004502,-0.014849,-0.021887,0.01972,0.008796,0.006586

that seems very unlikely because white slaves in Morocco were mostly present in the big urban areas not in the rif and these slaves were redeemed by christian associations (that's how these corsairs used to make money)

CommonSense

03-14-2021, 07:41 PM

I'm assuming you haven't taken 23andMe. They're usually quite precise at detecting recent admixture, unlike MyHeritage.

Axios

03-14-2021, 08:07 PM

I'm assuming you haven't taken 23andMe. They're usually quite precise at detecting recent admixture, unlike MyHeritage.

i did not, but a relative i have took a test with ancestry.com and her results changed a lot. She is now 95% NA. When before she had a big chunk of southern euro.

CommonSense

03-14-2021, 08:20 PM

i did not, but a relative i have took a test with ancestry.com and her results changed a lot. She is now 95% NA. When before she had a big chunk of southern euro.

Ancestry is decent, but 23andMe is better at detecting recent admix. Though some of it's referrence populations like Anatolian, Central Asian, French&German and Eastern European are in need of improvement or rework and it ofers no deeper insight into your ancestry. For your specific case it will be incredibly useful however.

Zanzibar

03-15-2021, 02:22 AM

The Komi average is around 18% EE or so if that's the same data set I used on Gedmatch. And the Kaitags are not Mongoloid, they are Dargin people from Dagestan. Technically West Asian but they have a lot of white admixture too.

I got those 17-25% East Eurasian figure from fooling around with Komi G25 samples. There were even some Komis samples who were literally hapas but maybe they are half Nenets or something.

Yes, but if I remember correctly from playing with their G25 samples, the Kaitag also have some minor Mongoloid admixture?

marco

03-15-2021, 03:15 AM

Neolithic
Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 1.4703% / 0.01470252
41.0 Early_European_Farmer
30.4 Iberomaurusian
17.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
6.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer
3.6 Africa_Mesolithic
1.0 Iran_Neolithic
0.2 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

Modern:

Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 1.7966% / 0.01796642
77.8 Berber
12.4 Germany
5.0 Southern_Levant
2.0 Cushitic
2.0 Iranian_Seyyed
0.8 North_France

marco

03-15-2021, 03:26 AM

Myheritage is kind of iffy and to be honest I think it is because of references. Most likely they use a more "southern" reference for North Africans, maybe some insular or more SSA/Arab influenced people. So it compensates for your more pure admixture I guess. No doubt on 23andme you would get 95-100% North African. Yes, you have a small bit of extra N European influence. This is possibly Morisco or simply natural related, idk to be honest.

Pure okay let’s model him with the purest sample on the g25 datasheet:
Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 2.3653% / 0.02365296
54.6 Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT8
22.0 Germany
16.6 Egyptian
3.0 South_Italy
2.0 Arabia
1.8 Cushitic
Yeah so pure bro

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT8
Distance: 2.8642% / 0.02864233
49.6 Iberomaurusian
43.0 Early_European_Farmer
2.8 Africa_Mesolithic
2.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Iran_Neolithic
0.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer

This individual is a southern Moroccan by the way

Dr_Maul

03-15-2021, 03:51 AM

Pure okay let’s model him with the purest sample on the g25 datasheet:
Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 2.3653% / 0.02365296
54.6 Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT8
22.0 Germany
16.6 Egyptian
3.0 South_Italy
2.0 Arabia
1.8 Cushitic
Yeah so pure bro

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT8
Distance: 2.8642% / 0.02864233
49.6 Iberomaurusian
43.0 Early_European_Farmer
2.8 Africa_Mesolithic
2.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Iran_Neolithic
0.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer

This individual is a southern Moroccan by the way

Well using averages he got 90% NA as I posted on the first page, but he definitely has some N European

marco

03-15-2021, 04:20 AM

Well using averages he got 90% NA as I posted on the first page, but he definitely has some N European

those averages are mixed, even with a restricted amount of berber samples he still only Gets around 77 percent berber. Yeah I agree he clearly has a grandparent who Was most likely he would need to look through his relative list.

marco

03-15-2021, 04:55 AM

marco

03-15-2021, 05:07 AM

Axios

03-15-2021, 05:08 AM

With ancestral North African my friends samples
Target: Ouail_scaled
Distance: 1.6876% / 0.01687620
41.0 Early_European_Farmer
22.6 Dzudzuana
17.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
14.8 Ancestral_North-African(DZU-55%-45%)
3.6 Africa_Mesolithic
1.0 Iran_Neolithic

But where is this north european coming from? Germany? I am very confused because i do not know of any european relative. Its not like i have contact with my family but i would remember if i had a european relative. For now im 99% sure it comes from my dad's side since i barely have knowledge about that side.

marco

03-15-2021, 05:24 AM

But where is this north european coming from? Germany? I am very confused because i do not know of any european relative. Its not like i have contact with my family but i would remember if i had a european relative. For now im 99% sure it comes from my dad's side since i barely have knowledge about that side.

You tested with my heritage right? I would suggest looking through your relative list and seeing if you have any european relatives that are close. What’s your parental haplogroup by the way

Luso

03-15-2021, 05:49 AM

cool results!

Zanzibar

03-15-2021, 07:00 AM

For the person who was asking about Yoruba, a model done by my friend:

Target: Yoruba
Distance: 1.7560% / 0.01756021
87.0 West-African_Hunter-Gatherer
13.0 Iberomaurusian

Target: Yoruba
Distance: 1.7231% / 0.01723094
87.0 West-African_Hunter-Gatherer
6.6 Dzudzuana
6.4 Ancestral_North-African(DZU-55%-45%)

Maybe I learn it wrong, but ANA doesn't actually have any Dzudzuana?. Its Taforalt that have it, not ANA?

Can you share the coordinates for the ancient samples please?

Zanzibar

03-15-2021, 07:09 AM

Very interesting.
But it would be surprising Wolofs have less Eurasian admixtures than Yoruba, especially from Senegal, more samples are needed and Ancient Data is crucial above all.

Well in the G25 new samples, it looks like there are two groups of Wolof: one that seems to be more Negroid and less Eurasian than the Yoruba and the other group that have more Eurasian affinity than the Yoruba.

These Wolofs that are less Eurasian than the Yoruba could have heavy Jola admixture or are Wolofized Jolas.

There are also two groups of Jolas in G25: the first cluster that seem to have the least Eurasian affinity among modern West Africans (they surprisingly seem to have even less Eurasian than the Khoisan based on their G25 coordinates) and the second cluster that is more Eurasian than the Yoruba. The latter group could have recent Fulani admix.

Axios

03-15-2021, 01:46 PM

Leto

03-16-2021, 12:46 PM

Axios

03-16-2021, 02:52 PM

Hey, I know it's not G25 but can you please check your Eurogenes K13 coordinates? I had to impute some minor thing because you had cut off the values below 1%.

Axios(Moroccan),15.80,1.48,22.48,0.35,27.05,14.41, 0,0,1.31,0,0,11.40,5.72

What do you mean? all those coordinates are sent by David Wesolowski i didnt cut anything, sure you mean K13 from gedmatch right?

Axios

03-16-2021, 02:54 PM

Hey, I know it's not G25 but can you please check your Eurogenes K13 coordinates? I had to impute some minor thing because you had cut off the values below 1%.

Axios(Moroccan),15.80,1.48,22.48,0.35,27.05,14.41, 0,0,1.31,0,0,11.40,5.72

https://i.ibb.co/wpSWJKG/yoy.jpg

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.08
2 West_Med 22.48
3 North_Atlantic 15.78
4 Red_Sea 14.41
5 Northeast_African 11.4
6 Sub-Saharan 5.71
7 Baltic 1.45
8 Siberian 1.32
9 Amerindian 0.19
10 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 7.36
2 Moroccan 8.15
3 Tunisian 9.06
4 Mozabite_Berber 9.22
5 Libyan_Jewish 17.64
6 Algerian_Jewish 17.9
7 Tunisian_Jewish 18.92
8 West_Sicilian 19.31
9 Italian_Jewish 19.54
10 Sephardic_Jewish 19.6
11 Egyptian 19.93
12 East_Sicilian 20.11
13 Ashkenazi 20.31
14 South_Italian 21.21
15 Tuscan 22.27
16 Italian_Abruzzo 22.62
17 Central_Greek 22.66
18 Greek_Thessaly 24.08
19 Bedouin 24.39
20 Jordanian 25.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Algerian + 15.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.87
2 84.7% Algerian + 15.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.9
3 76.9% Moroccan + 23.1% Tuscan @ 4.91
4 85% Algerian + 15% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.91
5 84% Algerian + 16% Portuguese @ 4.94
6 86% Algerian + 14% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.95
7 84.5% Algerian + 15.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.96
8 84% Algerian + 16% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.02
9 85.2% Algerian + 14.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.03
10 82.1% Moroccan + 17.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.05
11 85.7% Algerian + 14.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.07
12 84.7% Algerian + 15.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.07
13 86.2% Algerian + 13.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.11
14 80% Moroccan + 20% North_Italian @ 5.13
15 82.8% Algerian + 17.2% North_Italian @ 5.13
16 87% Algerian + 13% Southwest_French @ 5.14
17 81.9% Moroccan + 18.1% Portuguese @ 5.15
18 84.9% Moroccan + 15.1% French @ 5.16
19 87.1% Algerian + 12.9% French @ 5.17
20 83.2% Moroccan + 16.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.2

Leto

03-16-2021, 03:00 PM

https://i.ibb.co/wpSWJKG/yoy.jpg

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.08
2 West_Med 22.48
3 North_Atlantic 15.78
4 Red_Sea 14.41
5 Northeast_African 11.4
6 Sub-Saharan 5.71
7 Baltic 1.45
8 Siberian 1.32
9 Amerindian 0.19
10 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 7.36
2 Moroccan 8.15
3 Tunisian 9.06
4 Mozabite_Berber 9.22
5 Libyan_Jewish 17.64
6 Algerian_Jewish 17.9
7 Tunisian_Jewish 18.92
8 West_Sicilian 19.31
9 Italian_Jewish 19.54
10 Sephardic_Jewish 19.6
11 Egyptian 19.93
12 East_Sicilian 20.11
13 Ashkenazi 20.31
14 South_Italian 21.21
15 Tuscan 22.27
16 Italian_Abruzzo 22.62
17 Central_Greek 22.66
18 Greek_Thessaly 24.08
19 Bedouin 24.39
20 Jordanian 25.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Algerian + 15.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.87
2 84.7% Algerian + 15.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.9
3 76.9% Moroccan + 23.1% Tuscan @ 4.91
4 85% Algerian + 15% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.91
5 84% Algerian + 16% Portuguese @ 4.94
6 86% Algerian + 14% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.95
7 84.5% Algerian + 15.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.96
8 84% Algerian + 16% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.02
9 85.2% Algerian + 14.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.03
10 82.1% Moroccan + 17.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.05
11 85.7% Algerian + 14.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.07
12 84.7% Algerian + 15.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.07
13 86.2% Algerian + 13.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.11
14 80% Moroccan + 20% North_Italian @ 5.13
15 82.8% Algerian + 17.2% North_Italian @ 5.13
16 87% Algerian + 13% Southwest_French @ 5.14
17 81.9% Moroccan + 18.1% Portuguese @ 5.15
18 84.9% Moroccan + 15.1% French @ 5.16
19 87.1% Algerian + 12.9% French @ 5.17
20 83.2% Moroccan + 16.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.2
Thank you! The imputation was wrong, you score ZERO West Asian.

Axios

03-16-2021, 03:16 PM

You tested with my heritage right? I would suggest looking through your relative list and seeing if you have any european relatives that are close. What’s your parental haplogroup by the way

So i logged in to Myheritage and i found out 2 new ethnic groups were added to me, "Netherlands" and "Denmark" they are quite small and i dont really know what they mean. Speaking about the european relatives, i do get, but they are not close.

https://i.ibb.co/TYfghq1/uyu.jpg

Leto

03-16-2021, 03:20 PM

Do you feel part Spanish/Iberian? 20.5% Iberian is a lot and you seem to live in that country.

Axios

03-16-2021, 03:22 PM

Thank you! The imputation was wrong, you score ZERO West Asian.

Ah okay so you found some small traces that were just noise?

Axios

03-16-2021, 03:24 PM

Do you feel part Spanish/Iberian? 20.5% Iberian is a lot and you seem to live in that country.

But that's MyHeritage, their calculator sucks, most of my iberian is not actually iberian (i think?) Dr_Maul said i was actually like 90% NA.

Leto

03-16-2021, 03:25 PM

Ah okay so you found some small traces that were just noise?
Yes, I took that from an old thread of yours and just randomly added the missing 0.35%.

Leto

03-16-2021, 03:27 PM

But that's MyHeritage, their calculator sucks, most of my iberian is not actually iberian (i think?) Dr_Maul said i was actually like 90% NA.
Well, you do seem to be one of the least African/Arabian Moroccans in terms of genetics.

Axios

03-16-2021, 03:28 PM

Well, you do seem to be one of the least African/Arabian Moroccans in terms of genetics.

I'm trying to figure out where is the northern european % coming from. It appears in every calculator.

Hamilcar

03-16-2021, 03:45 PM

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.08
2 West_Med 22.48
3 North_Atlantic 15.78
4 Red_Sea 14.41
5 Northeast_African 11.4
6 Sub-Saharan 5.71
7 Baltic 1.45
8 Siberian 1.32
9 Amerindian 0.19
10 Oceanian 0.16

You clearly have a north-east european ancestor somewhere in your genealogy (these baltic, siberian, amerindian are not normal), here my results in comparison :

https://i.imgur.com/00t0CPA.png

Hamilcar

03-16-2021, 03:57 PM

Well, you do seem to be one of the least African/Arabian Moroccans in terms of genetics.

that's not really true member adamm here has less ssa and axios has more arabian than me it seems but still he's average for riffians

Hamilcar

03-16-2021, 03:58 PM

I'm trying to figure out where is the northern european % coming from. It appears in every calculator.

can you show me your K15 result

also try dodecad K12b pls

Axios

03-16-2021, 04:04 PM

can you show me your K15 result

also try dodecad K12b pls

K12B

https://i.ibb.co/Lzxx2Yz/k12b.jpg

Axios

03-16-2021, 04:06 PM

can you show me your K15 result

also try dodecad K12b pls

K15

https://i.ibb.co/BKQrMXc/k15.jpg

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.09
2 West_Med 20.46
3 Atlantic 14.36
4 Red_Sea 13.98
5 Northeast_African 13.09
6 North_Sea 5.38
7 Sub-Saharan 5.33
8 Baltic 2
9 Siberian 1.08
10 Amerindian 0.17
11 Oceanian 0.05
12 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 8.07
2 Moroccan 8.18
3 Tunisian 8.73
4 Mozabite_Berber 9.52
5 Algerian_Jewish 18.77
6 Libyan_Jewish 19.62
7 West_Sicilian 19.75
8 Italian_Jewish 19.95
9 Tunisian_Jewish 20.13
10 Egyptian 20.18
11 Sephardic_Jewish 20.55
12 East_Sicilian 20.84
13 Ashkenazi 20.85
14 Tuscan 22.19
15 South_Italian 22.36
16 Italian_Abruzzo 23.17
17 Central_Greek 23.41
18 Greek_Thessaly 24.29
19 Greek 24.34
20 Bedouin 24.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.2% Moroccan + 24.8% West_Sicilian @ 5.26
2 81.2% Moroccan + 18.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.33
3 77.8% Moroccan + 22.2% Tuscan @ 5.4
4 82.5% Moroccan + 17.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.47
5 80% Moroccan + 20% North_Italian @ 5.49
6 82.1% Moroccan + 17.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.52
7 83% Moroccan + 17% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.54
8 81.8% Moroccan + 18.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.57
9 81.4% Moroccan + 18.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.62
10 82.8% Moroccan + 17.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.64
11 87.6% Moroccan + 12.4% Southeast_English @ 5.64
12 88% Moroccan + 12% Irish @ 5.65
13 81.7% Moroccan + 18.3% Portuguese @ 5.66
14 79.2% Moroccan + 20.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.68
15 88.2% Moroccan + 11.8% West_Scottish @ 5.68
16 83.7% Moroccan + 16.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.68
17 87.6% Moroccan + 12.4% North_German @ 5.69
18 86.3% Moroccan + 13.7% South_Dutch @ 5.7
19 85% Moroccan + 15% French @ 5.73
20 88.1% Moroccan + 11.9% Danish @ 5.73

Hamilcar

03-16-2021, 04:10 PM

K12B

https://i.ibb.co/Lzxx2Yz/k12b.jpg

no that's eurogenes k12b, I asked for dodecad k12b ;)

Axios

03-16-2021, 04:13 PM

no that's eurogenes k12b, I asked for dodecad k12b ;)

Apologies, here is the Dodecad:

https://i.ibb.co/8Y89PXq/dodecad.jpg

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 28.82
2 Atlantic_Med 23.05
3 Southwest_Asian 14.53
4 Caucasus 13.53
5 East_African 7.66
6 North_European 6.51
7 Sub_Saharan 3.27
8 Siberian 1.05
9 South_Asian 0.71
10 Gedrosia 0.48
11 Southeast_Asian 0.34
12 East_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 9.52
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 16.75
3 Moroccans (Behar) 18.72
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.46
5 Egyptans (Behar) 30.69
6 Canarias (1000Genomes) 31.72
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 31.9
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 33.09
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 33.22
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 33.97
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.16
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 34.9
13 O_Italian (Dodecad) 35.6
14 Portuguese (Dodecad) 36.18
15 Jordanians (Behar) 36.49
16 TSI30 (Metspalu) 36.77
17 Palestinian (HGDP) 37.1
18 Tuscan (HGDP) 37.39
19 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 37.43
20 Greek (Dodecad) 37.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 5.04
2 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% Romanians (Behar) @ 5.04
3 83.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 5.11
4 81.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.32
5 82.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.33
6 86.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.8% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.39
7 82.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 5.46
8 82.6% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.4% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 5.51
9 83.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.9% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 5.51
10 67.5% Moroccans (Behar) + 32.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 5.54
11 65.8% Moroccans (Behar) + 34.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.58
12 81.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.58
13 82.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.1% Greek (Dodecad) @ 5.63
14 66.3% Moroccans (Behar) + 33.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.64
15 86.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.3% German (Dodecad) @ 5.64
16 67.5% Moroccans (Behar) + 32.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 5.77
17 85.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.2% French (HGDP) @ 5.77
18 86.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.86
19 65.4% Moroccans (Behar) + 34.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.88
20 70.3% Moroccan (Dodecad) + 29.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 5.89

Leto

03-16-2021, 04:15 PM

I've checked Axios' matches, he has a few close relatives. Axios, do you know any of them? Their names sound North African.

Hamilcar

03-16-2021, 04:16 PM

K15

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.09
2 West_Med 20.46
3 Atlantic 14.36
4 Red_Sea 13.98
5 Northeast_African 13.09
6 North_Sea 5.38
7 Sub-Saharan 5.33
8 Baltic 2
9 Siberian 1.08
10 Amerindian 0.17
11 Oceanian 0.05
12 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 8.07
2 Moroccan 8.18
3 Tunisian 8.73
4 Mozabite_Berber 9.52
5 Algerian_Jewish 18.77
6 Libyan_Jewish 19.62
7 West_Sicilian 19.75
8 Italian_Jewish 19.95
9 Tunisian_Jewish 20.13
10 Egyptian 20.18
11 Sephardic_Jewish 20.55
12 East_Sicilian 20.84
13 Ashkenazi 20.85
14 Tuscan 22.19
15 South_Italian 22.36
16 Italian_Abruzzo 23.17
17 Central_Greek 23.41
18 Greek_Thessaly 24.29
19 Greek 24.34
20 Bedouin 24.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.2% Moroccan + 24.8% West_Sicilian @ 5.26
2 81.2% Moroccan + 18.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.33
3 77.8% Moroccan + 22.2% Tuscan @ 5.4
4 82.5% Moroccan + 17.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.47
5 80% Moroccan + 20% North_Italian @ 5.49
6 82.1% Moroccan + 17.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.52
7 83% Moroccan + 17% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.54
8 81.8% Moroccan + 18.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.57
9 81.4% Moroccan + 18.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.62
10 82.8% Moroccan + 17.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.64
11 87.6% Moroccan + 12.4% Southeast_English @ 5.64
12 88% Moroccan + 12% Irish @ 5.65
13 81.7% Moroccan + 18.3% Portuguese @ 5.66
14 79.2% Moroccan + 20.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.68
15 88.2% Moroccan + 11.8% West_Scottish @ 5.68
16 83.7% Moroccan + 16.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.68
17 87.6% Moroccan + 12.4% North_German @ 5.69
18 86.3% Moroccan + 13.7% South_Dutch @ 5.7
19 85% Moroccan + 15% French @ 5.73
20 88.1% Moroccan + 11.9% Danish @ 5.73

Ok it's confirmed, you clearly have north european ancestry and I honestly don't know how it ended up in North Morocco. Here in comparison my euro side seem to be exclusively iberian :

https://i.imgur.com/OFnNdua.png
https://i.imgur.com/QHJnwEq.png

Axios

03-16-2021, 04:18 PM

I've checked Axios' matches, he has a few close relatives. Axios, do you know any of them? Their names sound North African.

I only know one of them, shes the cousin of my mother (speaking of myheritage matches) i do not know how gedmatch matches work.

Axios

03-16-2021, 04:21 PM

Ok it's confirmed, you clearly have north european ancestry and I honestly don't know how it ended up in North Morocco. Here in comparison my euro side seem to be exclusively iberian :

https://i.imgur.com/OFnNdua.png
https://i.imgur.com/QHJnwEq.png

I don't know either :( maybe from a great great grandfather or something?

Leto

03-16-2021, 04:24 PM

I only know one of them, shes the cousin of my mother (speaking of myheritage matches) i do not know how gedmatch matches work.
One-to-many DNA comparison, just enter your kit number and see for yourself.

This must be your mother's cousin

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 27.21
2 East_Med 23.29
3 Red_Sea 15.85
4 North_Atlantic 14.26
5 Northeast_African 10.98
6 Sub-Saharan 6.9
7 East_Asian 1.4
8 Baltic 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 5.88
2 Mozabite_Berber 7.99
3 Algerian 8.01
4 Tunisian 10.21
5 Algerian_Jewish 20.61
6 Libyan_Jewish 21.14
7 West_Sicilian 21.65
8 Tunisian_Jewish 22.36
9 East_Sicilian 22.59
10 Sephardic_Jewish 22.73
11 Italian_Jewish 22.79
12 Egyptian 23.27
13 South_Italian 23.48
14 Ashkenazi 23.81
15 Tuscan 24.19
16 Central_Greek 24.92
17 Italian_Abruzzo 25.04
18 Greek_Thessaly 26.35
19 Bedouin 27.1
20 North_Italian 27.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.6% Moroccan + 11.4% French_Basque @ 1.69
2 86.1% Moroccan + 13.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.09
3 85.4% Moroccan + 14.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.27
4 84.8% Moroccan + 15.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.28
5 86.2% Moroccan + 13.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.4
6 87% Moroccan + 13% Southwest_French @ 2.44
7 85.1% Moroccan + 14.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.5
8 85.8% Moroccan + 14.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.56
9 84.6% Moroccan + 15.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.56
10 85.5% Moroccan + 14.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.57
11 85.3% Moroccan + 14.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.72
12 86.4% Moroccan + 13.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.74
13 85.2% Moroccan + 14.8% Portuguese @ 2.78
14 84.7% Moroccan + 15.3% North_Italian @ 3.33
15 88.6% Moroccan + 11.4% French @ 3.45
16 91.2% Moroccan + 8.8% Southwest_English @ 3.64
17 86.8% Moroccan + 13.2% Sardinian @ 3.71
18 91.3% Moroccan + 8.7% Southeast_English @ 3.78
19 91.8% Moroccan + 8.2% West_Scottish @ 3.81
20 90.4% Moroccan + 9.6% South_Dutch @ 3.83

Axios

03-16-2021, 04:34 PM

One-to-many DNA comparison, just enter your kit number and see for yourself.

This must be your mother's cousin

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 27.21
2 East_Med 23.29
3 Red_Sea 15.85
4 North_Atlantic 14.26
5 Northeast_African 10.98
6 Sub-Saharan 6.9
7 East_Asian 1.4
8 Baltic 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan 5.88
2 Mozabite_Berber 7.99
3 Algerian 8.01
4 Tunisian 10.21
5 Algerian_Jewish 20.61
6 Libyan_Jewish 21.14
7 West_Sicilian 21.65
8 Tunisian_Jewish 22.36
9 East_Sicilian 22.59
10 Sephardic_Jewish 22.73
11 Italian_Jewish 22.79
12 Egyptian 23.27
13 South_Italian 23.48
14 Ashkenazi 23.81
15 Tuscan 24.19
16 Central_Greek 24.92
17 Italian_Abruzzo 25.04
18 Greek_Thessaly 26.35
19 Bedouin 27.1
20 North_Italian 27.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.6% Moroccan + 11.4% French_Basque @ 1.69
2 86.1% Moroccan + 13.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.09
3 85.4% Moroccan + 14.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.27
4 84.8% Moroccan + 15.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.28
5 86.2% Moroccan + 13.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.4
6 87% Moroccan + 13% Southwest_French @ 2.44
7 85.1% Moroccan + 14.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.5
8 85.8% Moroccan + 14.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.56
9 84.6% Moroccan + 15.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.56
10 85.5% Moroccan + 14.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.57
11 85.3% Moroccan + 14.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.72
12 86.4% Moroccan + 13.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.74
13 85.2% Moroccan + 14.8% Portuguese @ 2.78
14 84.7% Moroccan + 15.3% North_Italian @ 3.33
15 88.6% Moroccan + 11.4% French @ 3.45
16 91.2% Moroccan + 8.8% Southwest_English @ 3.64
17 86.8% Moroccan + 13.2% Sardinian @ 3.71
18 91.3% Moroccan + 8.7% Southeast_English @ 3.78
19 91.8% Moroccan + 8.2% West_Scottish @ 3.81
20 90.4% Moroccan + 9.6% South_Dutch @ 3.83

She lives in the Netherlands, her ancestry results changed a lot.

Oldest results:

https://i.ibb.co/VLWLtrh/14045868-1394709617223956-1914932723116402865-n.jpg

2018 update: https://i.ibb.co/wLCVL0Y/160182826-455303489152031-6823197371430889850-n-1.jpg

2019 update:

https://i.ibb.co/dMmVr4G/158845118-3672814126121424-3277461925150504164-n.jpg

I dont have her permission to post any pic of her (i might ask her if i see interest) but she looks very southern euro to me.