Cromanoide race (Proto nordic)

[Uranous]

The Cro-Magnon is the name which is designated the human type corresponding to certain fossils of Homo sapiens , especially those associated with the caves of Europe where the cave paintings were found. It is usually Castilianized and abbreviated as "Cro-Magnon", especially for its use in the plural (Cro-Magnons). It's about Homo sapiensoldest on the European continent and its dating (40,000 years old) is taken as the point that begins the Upper Paleolithic. Geologist Louis Lartet discovered the first five skeletons in March 1868 in the Cro-Magnon cave (near Les Eyzies de Tayac-Sireuil, Dordogne, France), from which they get their name. The scientific community today accepts that the only reasonable candidate for the paternal lineage of the Cro-Magnon and of the majority of hunter-gatherers of the European Upper Paleolithic, is the haplogroup IJ, from which the I was born, for which the Cro-Magnon Man is a predecessor direct genetics of the current white Nordid human subspecies , and constitutes the human type of the first white males .

A 28,000-year-old Cro-Magnon DNA sequence was obtained from fossil bones discovered in Paglicci Cave in Italy. The results show that the DNA is identical to the DNA sequences of certain modern Europeans. Therefore, they claim that the DNA sequence has remained almost unchanged for 28,000 years. This, of course, confirms that Cro-Magnon Man was an anatomically "modern" individual who also had greater strength and brain power, and probably more intelligent as well. [1]


http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2021/11/3/1615944091-cromagnon.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2021-11-3-1615944091-cromagnon.jpg)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFQhS80nDk8&t=633s




Genetics

The oldest remains of a male Cro-Magnon whose paternal haplogroup (Y-DNA) is known, is dated between 45,000 and 35,000 BCE, and belongs to the K2a * (K-M2308) haplogroup or C1 subclades ( Haplogroup C-F3393). These include the remains of man from Ust'-Ishim (West Siberia) K2a *, Oase 1 (Romania) K2a *, Kostenki 14 (Southwestern Russia) C1b, and Goyet Q116-1 (Belgium) C1a. [2] [3]

In 2003, a mitochondrial DNA sequencing of two individuals, one 23,000 years old (Paglicci 52) and the other 24,720 years old (Paglicci 12) identified mtDNA as maternal haplogroup N, typical of Central Asian descendants.

A 2015 study sequenced the genome of a 13,000-year-old western hunter-gatherer in Bichon Switzerland . It belongs to haplogroup Y-DNA I2a (I-M438) and mtDNA haplogroup U5b1h.

Haplogroup I has been found at high frequencies throughout Europe but is virtually absent elsewhere. This haplogroup has been suggested to have an origin prior to the Last Glacial Maximum and has been found in ancient hunter-gatherer samples from central and northern Europe. [4]



Contact and hybridization with Neanderthal man

Cro-magnon man ( Homo sapiens ) had contact with another hominin species , Homo neanderthalensis during the early Upper Paleolithic stages in Europe, where there were populations of both species for a brief period - up to about 29,000 years ago , or even about 27,000 years in the south of the Iberian Peninsula. Although the Neanderthal probably became extinct due to territorial competition, several analyzes have concluded that there was hybridization between both species and the total amount of the Neanderthal genome that has survived in modern non-African Homo sapiens is estimated at 20% .


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=https://es.metapedia.org/wiki/Hombre_de_Cro-Magnon


Video in spanish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFQhS80nDk8&t=633s

[Linebacker]

More Nordicist delusions?

Cromagnids are not Nordic, neither is Cromagnid ancestral Nordic. Nordics are majority gracile and have their ancestry from Indo-European Yamnaya and Corded Ware cultures.

Its even arguable if Nordic I1 descends from the same population as I2, as it was never discovered in any Mesolithic remains, quite the opposite - most among Neolithic farmers.


The first is an individual sample labelled BAB5 from Neolithic Hungary.[20]

Another is an individual belonging to the middle Neolithic Chasséen culture labelled Cx161. Cx161 had a genetic affinity to other contemporary Neolithic farmers of Europe.[21]

Additionally, the third ancient I1 sample is from an individual found in a kurgan burial dating to the late Neolithic Dagger Period in Scandinavia labelled RISE179.[22] RISE179 had a genetic affinity to the populations of the Corded Ware culture and the Unetice culture.[23]
The fourth ancient I1 sample predating the Nordic Bronze Age is labelled oll009 and was sequenced in the study titled "The genomic ancestry of the Scandinavian Battle Axe Culture people and their relation to the broader Corded Ware horizon".[24] Oll009 is dated to the Scandinavian late Neolithic and was found in a burial in Sweden. Similar to RISE179, he carried a high percentage of Western Steppe-Herder ancestry and had a genetic affinity to the population of the Battle Axe culture and other populations of the Corded Ware horizon.[25]

[Uranous]

More Nordicist delusions?

Cromagnids are not Nordic, neither is Cromagnid ancestral Nordic. Nordics are majority gracile and have their ancestry from Indo-European Yamnaya and Corded Ware cultures.

Its even arguable if Nordic I1 descends from the same population as I2, as it was never discovered in any Mesolithic remains, quite the opposite - most among Neolithic farmers.



https://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/27/world/europe/mesolithic-man/index.html

La brana man WHG found in spain.

La Brana 1's closest modern descendants, in genetic terms, live in northern Europe in places like Sweden and Finland.


the Scandinavian peoples are those who most preserve the genetic contribution of Cromanon


In south and East Europa the cromanoid component are altered by Armenisation and Mongolisation.

[Golden Lining]

Who invented this dumb Cro-Magnon cult?!

[Wunjoz]

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/27/world/europe/mesolithic-man/index.html

La brana man WHG found in spain.

La Brana 1's closest modern descendants, in genetic terms, live in northern Europe in places like Sweden and Finland.


the Scandinavian peoples are those who most preserve the genetic contribution of Cromanon


In south and East Europa the cromanoid component are altered by Armenisation and Mongolisation.

Nordic phenotypes have been evolved in Corded Ware culture mostly. WHG people were much darker than Nordics and much shorter due to less EHG admixture. Only thing WHG and Nordics had commonly were blue eyes.

[lei.talk]

https://i.imgur.com/DTANs0x.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6zTrMSe.png (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#)https://i.imgur.com/DTANs0x.png


CRÔ-MAGNID (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#CRO-MAGNID)
Europid types (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#EUROPID) descended from the robust (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#ROBUST), dolichocephalic (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#DOLICHOCEPHALIC) and broad-faced (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#FACIAL%20INDEX%20(F.I.)) population exemplified by Crô-Magnon (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#CR%C3%94-MAGNON), continuing the classic type of the hunter-gatherers of the temperate-cold/cold regions. Cro-Magnids proper (as exemplified by Dalo-Falids (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#F%C3%84LISH) and "Brünns (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BR%C3%9CNN)") are unreduced (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#REDUCTION), somewhat gracilized (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#GRACILE) and have narrower faces than their Upper Paleolithic ancestors (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#UPPER%20PALEOLITHIC). Other populations have experienced deviant evolutionary processes, leading to specializations like reduction (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#REDUCTION) and brachycephalization (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BRACHYCEPHALIC) (Borreby (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BORREBY), Alpinid (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#ALPINID) and Baltid (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BALTIC)). Sporadic survivals (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#EAST-CRO-MAGNID) of an eastern "pre-balticized (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BALTICIZATION)" Cro-Magnid, similar to the western forms, may be found throughout predominantly Baltid populations.


https://i.imgur.com/FSAsN1Y.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/qbBCYb7.png (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-main.htm)https://i.imgur.com/FSAsN1Y.png

https://i.imgur.com/OE6MjLQ.png (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#NORDIC)


More Nordicist delusions?


https://i.imgur.com/mWYVLya.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordicism)

[Wunjoz]

https://i.imgur.com/DTANs0x.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/6zTrMSe.png (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#)https://i.imgur.com/DTANs0x.png


CRÔ-MAGNID (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#CRO-MAGNID)
Europid types (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#EUROPID) descended from the robust (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#ROBUST), dolichocephalic (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#DOLICHOCEPHALIC) and broad-faced (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#FACIAL%20INDEX%20(F.I.)) population exemplified by Crô-Magnon (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#CR%C3%94-MAGNON), continuing the classic type of the hunter-gatherers of the temperate-cold/cold regions. Cro-Magnids proper (as exemplified by Dalo-Falids (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#F%C3%84LISH) and "Brünns (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BR%C3%9CNN)") are unreduced (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#REDUCTION), somewhat gracilized (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#GRACILE) and have narrower faces than their Upper Paleolithic ancestors (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#UPPER%20PALEOLITHIC). Other populations have experienced deviant evolutionary processes, leading to specializations like reduction (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#REDUCTION) and brachycephalization (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BRACHYCEPHALIC) (Borreby (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BORREBY), Alpinid (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#ALPINID) and Baltid (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BALTIC)). Sporadic survivals (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#EAST-CRO-MAGNID) of an eastern "pre-balticized (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss1.htm#BALTICIZATION)" Cro-Magnid, similar to the western forms, may be found throughout predominantly Baltid populations.


https://i.imgur.com/FSAsN1Y.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/qbBCYb7.png (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-main.htm)https://i.imgur.com/FSAsN1Y.png

https://i.imgur.com/OE6MjLQ.png (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#NORDIC)

I think this may be a myth too. But, ectomorphy looks like a farmer trait. Hunter gathering looks more brutish and mesomorph favouring.

[Uranous]

The most recent studies on Population Genetics point out that modern Europeans are mostly descended from three distinct conglomerates of peoples, tending to confirm, rather than refute, the new racial classification:

- WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherers). The indigenous population of Europe. Mostly White Nordid race.

- ANE (Ancient North Eurasians). Mesolithic and Neolithic invaders. Mostly Red Nordid.

- EEF (Early European Farmers). Introduced agriculture in Europe. Mostly Armenid.


https://europasoberana.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-new-racial-classification-i.html

Everything is sourced and supported by the latest genetic analyzes of prehistoric bones

[reboun]

- WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherers). The indigenous population of Europe. Mostly White Nordid race.

- ANE (Ancient North Eurasians). Mesolithic and Neolithic invaders. Mostly Red Nordid.

- EEF (Early European Farmers). Introduced agriculture in Europe. Mostly Armenid.


Wrong. None of those people looked like modern day humans. They are genetically very far from any modern population.

[gixajo]

The most recent studies on Population Genetics point out that modern Europeans are mostly descended from three distinct conglomerates of peoples, tending to confirm, rather than refute, the new racial classification:

- WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherers). The indigenous population of Europe. Mostly White Nordid race.

- ANE (Ancient North Eurasians). Mesolithic and Neolithic invaders. Mostly Red Nordid.

- EEF (Early European Farmers). Introduced agriculture in Europe. Mostly Armenid.


https://europasoberana.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-new-racial-classification-i.html

Everything is sourced and supported by the latest genetic analyzes of prehistoric bones

So are you saying that Basques are mostly white Nordid race? Basques used to have same or more WHG admixture than Scandinavian or Baltics.;)

[Linebacker]

Everything is sourced and supported by the burning fire of cuckoldry and nordicist delusions

Fixed.

As ACTUAL sources support - the most direct descendants of WHG/Indigenous Europeans are in the West Balkans. Even if most people here are Neolithic admixed quite a lot, which is natural when we are right next to the gates of the Neolithic expansion, Balkan I2 suggests the bulk of WHG populations last settled here before being absorbed by the NE.

The whole idea of Nordicism and Cro-Magnons is relatively simple and primitive - Nordicists are butthurt that general knowledge states they descend from a Steppe Asiatic population thus their roots are not from Europe, to them this is unacceptable, as they see themselves as the only true European population. Cro-Magnons were a population that has been in Europe a long time, enough to be considered indigenous - the rest is self-explanatory.

Just more of the same "We Wuz EuroKangs n Shiiet"

[lei.talk]

...their roots are not from Europe,
to them this is unacceptable,
as they see themselves as the only true European population.

Which of the nordicist authors elaborates on this point?



https://i.imgur.com/RG2B9Pb.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordicism)

[Linebacker]

^ Multiple pre and post-Nazi Nordicists promoted ideas of so called "Atlanteans" and "Hyperboreans".

More of the classic We wuz EuroKangs n Shiiet of early 20th century Nordicists:

https://www.athensjournals.gr/mediterranean/2017-3-2-4-Vinci.pdf


The idea that the Atlanteans were Hyperborean, Nordic supermen who originated in the Northern Atlantic or even in the far North, was popular in the German ariosophic movement around 1900, propagated by Guido von List and others.[66] It gave its name to the Thule Gesellschaft, an antisemite Münich lodge, which preceded the German Nazi Party (see Thule). The scholars Karl Georg Zschaetzsch [de] (1920) and Herman Wirth (1928) were the first to speak of a "Nordic-Atlantean" or "Aryan-Nordic" master race that spread from Atlantis over the Northern Hemisphere and beyond. The Hyperboreans were contrasted with the Jewish people. Party ideologist Alfred Rosenberg (in The Myth of the Twentieth Century, 1930) and SS-leader Heinrich Himmler made it part of the official doctrine.[67] The idea was followed up by the adherents of Esoteric Nazism such as Julius Evola (1934) and, more recently, Miguel Serrano (1978).

The idea of Atlantis as the homeland of the Caucasian race would contradict the beliefs of older Esoteric and Theosophic groups, which taught that the Atlanteans were non-Caucasian brown-skinned peoples. Modern Esoteric groups, including the Theosophic Society, do not consider Atlantean society to have been superior or Utopian—they rather consider it a lower stage of evolution.[68]

[Creoda]

The most recent studies on Population Genetics point out that modern Europeans are mostly descended from three distinct conglomerates of peoples, tending to confirm, rather than refute, the new racial classification:

- WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherers). The indigenous population of Europe. Mostly White Nordid race.

- ANE (Ancient North Eurasians). Mesolithic and Neolithic invaders. Mostly Red Nordid.

- EEF (Early European Farmers). Introduced agriculture in Europe. Mostly Armenid.


https://europasoberana.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-new-racial-classification-i.html

Everything is sourced and supported by the latest genetic analyzes of prehistoric bones
That page never stops being amazing and cringeworthy.

Only a Latin mind could come up with it.

[Uranous]

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/archeo-paleo/archeologie/une-4e-tribu-ancestrale-aux-origines-des-europeens-modernes_104146


I am not inventing anything I only post articles on sourced studies



http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2021/11/4/1616072499-genetic-structure-of-ancient-europe-a-principal-component-analysis-ancient-data-from.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2021-11-4-1616072499-genetic-structure-of-ancient-europe-a-principal-component-analysis-ancient-data-from.png)


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Genetic-structure-of-ancient-Europe-a-Principal-component-analysis-Ancient-data-from_fig5_284019945

[Uranous]

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/archeo-paleo/archeologie/une-4e-tribu-ancestrale-aux-origines-des-europeens-modernes_104146


I am not inventing anything I only post articles on sourced studies



http://image.noelshack.com/minis/2021/11/4/1616072499-genetic-structure-of-ancient-europe-a-principal-component-analysis-ancient-data-from.png (http://www.noelshack.com/2021-11-4-1616072499-genetic-structure-of-ancient-europe-a-principal-component-analysis-ancient-data-from.png)


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Genetic-structure-of-ancient-Europe-a-Principal-component-analysis-Ancient-data-from_fig5_284019945


Western huntern and scnadinavian hunter are the Sames , Yamna are Cromanoid mixed with Ancians north eurasian and Armenoides.

[Steppe Timelord]

I associate WHG with more brunn/paleo sardinian/berid/paleo-atlantid look.
EHG is another story.. Could be the baltids stemming from them, or originally was some unreduced CM type akin to brunn but more eastern shifted, before it turned into baltid, due to mixing with N1c invaders.
CHG could be armenoid too, but it's debatable. CHG,EHG both had CM traits because they split from ANE.

[Wunjoz]

Wrong. None of those people looked like modern day humans. They are genetically very far from any modern population.

If Sardinians are 90%s EEF, perhaps EEFs have looked like them in terms of bone structure. Because, bone structure requires more time to change I think.

[reboun]

If Sardinians are 90%s EEF, perhaps EEFs have looked like them in terms of bone structure. Because, bone structure requires more time to change I think.

You are right but OP is again wrong when saying EEF were mostly Armenoid since Armenoid is more of a Caucasus thing.

[Flashball]

I believe that the member who created this thread comes from a French site called "Avenoel" (many non-european, antiracist, dumb people, etc); the guy thinks the Cromagnons were "Nordic" and that people like Otzi (Neolithic european) looked like caricatural Syrian or Jew.

So according to him, all the faces of Neolithic Europeans, reconstituted by modern techniques, looked like kinds of actual Middle-Eastern (in the caricatural sens)... However, most do not resemble these populations and, moreover, they do not have the same contributions ( this is why Neolithic Europeans were distant from the Semitic and North African populations).

This degree of ignorance in 2021 is incredible.

Armenians = Caucasus + Iran farmer + some EEF + some indo-european + levant neolithic, etc.

Ashkenazi = EEF + some Indo-european + some Caucasus and Iran Farmer, etc.

North African = iberomurisian + EEF + some indo-european etc.

Etc, etc.

[lei.talk]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.pngLinebacker (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?10693-Linebacker&tab=activitystream&type=user) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?343951-Cromanoide-race-(Proto-nordic)&p=7144694&viewfull=1#post7144694) ...their roots are not from Europe,
to them this is unacceptable,
as they see themselves as the only true European population.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.pnglei.talk (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?21-lei-talk&tab=activitystream&type=user) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?343951-Cromanoide-race-(Proto-nordic)&p=7144721&viewfull=1#post7144721)

which of the nordicist authors elaborates on this point?



^ Multiple pre and post-Nazi Nordicists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordicism) promoted ideas of so called "Atlanteans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis)" and "Hyperboreans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperborea#Herodotus)".

More of the classic We wuz EuroKangs n Shiiet (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?345358-quot-Nordics-need-to-calm-down-quot-is-there-really-such-a-thread&p=7179530#post7179530) of early 20th century Nordicists:


The Nordic Origins of the Iliad and Odyssey:
An Up-to-date Survey of the Theory
By Felice Vinci (https://www.athensjournals.gr/mediterranean/2017-3-2-4-Vinci.pdf)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.pngWikipedia https://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis#Nazism_and_occultism) The idea that the Atlanteans were Hyperborean, Nordic supermen who originated in the Northern Atlantic or even in the far North, was popular in the German ariosophic movement around 1900, propagated by Guido von List and others. It gave its name to the Thule Gesellschaft, an antisemite Münich lodge, which preceded the German Nazi Party (see Thule). The scholars Karl Georg Zschaetzsch [de] (1920) and Herman Wirth (1928) were the first to speak of a "Nordic-Atlantean" or "Aryan-Nordic" master race that spread from Atlantis over the Northern Hemisphere and beyond. The Hyperboreans were contrasted with the Jewish people. Party ideologist Alfred Rosenberg (in The Myth of the Twentieth Century, 1930) and SS-leader Heinrich Himmler made it part of the official doctrine. The idea was followed up by the adherents of Esoteric Nazism such as Julius Evola (1934) and, more recently, Miguel Serrano (1978).

The idea of Atlantis as the homeland of the Caucasian race would contradict the beliefs of older Esoteric and Theosophic groups, which taught that the Atlanteans were non-Caucasian brown-skinned peoples. Modern Esoteric groups, including the Theosophic Society, do not consider Atlantean society to have been superior or Utopian—they rather consider it a lower stage of evolution.


thank you
for the information you provided - it was very interesting reading. :nod:

how ever, none of it states
that nordics (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/gloss2.htm#NORDIC) originated in europe
or are the original inhabitants of europe. :sad:

if you have the time to quickly re-visit your url-links (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode#url),
you notice those sources specify the north-west atlantic ocean (atlantis)
or north-east asia as a hypothetical urheimat for nordics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race).

the click-able image
in the lower right-hand corner
will offer nordicist authors that all describe nordics
as adventurous explorers that came to europe - not originated there.



https://i.imgur.com/RG2B9Pb.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordicism)

[Steppe Timelord]

avenoel.

I've seen that site. Including their img platform noelshack. They ripped off that Christmas smiley from a now defunct game called EE(everybody edits) do they even know that? lol
Their site it's said there it began in 2014, way after EE started out in 2007-08.

exactly like this smile, but with the grin.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/everybodyedits/images/f/f6/014_santa.png