was Paul Kruger visibly mixed?

[Universe]

He was a Boer from South Africa.
https://www.google.hu/search?q=paul+kruger&sxsrf=ALeKk02L9GIdn2qv3LTzgGZRCieseJUtiA:161608210 6941&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiMuKX_lrrvAhV8AxAIHQv9ACQQ_AUoAXoECBQQA w&biw=1920&bih=969

[Universe]

https://scontent.fqpj1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57407301_2142999442403320_3134717460494680064_o.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=2k6oUwXQdwsAX_gTZjW&_nc_ht=scontent.fqpj1-1.fna&oh=07c3322eaf25747f8947cb2af67c7068&oe=60798DB5

[Creoda]

It's likely that some Boers from his generation (born 1825) had a more significant SSA percentage than exists today, sometimes reflected in phenotype. As for him, maybe. Certainly doesn't look normal NW Euro. They also have Indian blood.

[Creoda]

This contemporary cartoon portrays him as pretty dark and exotic, so yeah, I'd say so.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rda3a6a655cfcced584bff86182693388?rik=U1JaI5SRNzO1 9Q&riu=http%3a%2f%2fc8.alamy.com%2fcomp%2fD87G7A%2fpa ul-kruger-D87G7A.jpg&ehk=X8MtXXlvDrSg%2fTWcrQ6PrW7o5GFE4vpRaONE%2fQu2Ap E%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw

[sioned]

A pointless thread, only to insult one of the greatest Boers. I hope Loki will respond accordingly.

[Universe]

A pointless thread, only to insult one of the greatest Boers. I hope Loki will respond accordingly.
He could've been a great Boer and mixed looking at the same time. I don't see contradiction there. Moreover, I am not making a statement, I am merely asking a question. I was inspired by a user in another thread who gave him as an example of minor admixture showing in phenotype. So I don't see anything wrong with the thread.

[Hulu]

I think I've read somewhere that Kruger was Ev13.

[Longbowman]

A pointless thread, only to insult one of the greatest Boers. I hope Loki will respond accordingly.

Loki himself is part SSA as are most Boers. Why are you interpreting this as an insult?

Besides, as a Pagan, I'm not sure you and Loki are on the same 'team.'

[Universe]

bump

[Universe]

https://www.lionroarsafaris.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/President-Paul-Kruger.jpg
https://roodepoortrecord.co.za/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2019/10/President-Kruger.jpg

[Universe]

Paul Kruger at a younger age
https://i.imgur.com/Q4b1PqV.jpg

[chociprasa]

Yes - all Afrikaners have up to 5% SSA (Khoisan/bushmen) admix anyway and it shows sometimes, if not most times, see Elon Musk or Behati Prinsloo or etc. It's a pretty meaningless discussion anyway since the ancestors of basically all Afrikaners mixed with Khoisans in the Dutch Cape Colony. Some of them look very Dutch though without any hints of SSA admix. I think that also goes for Anglo South Africans since most of them intermingled with Afrikaners during the 20th century afaik.

[Universe]

Yes - all Afrikaners have up to 5% SSA (Khoisan/bushmen) admix anyway and it shows sometimes, if not most times, see Elon Musk or Behati Prinsloo or etc. It's a pretty meaningless discussion anyway since the ancestors of basically all Afrikaners mixed with Khoisans in the Dutch Cape Colony. Some of them look very Dutch though without any hints of SSA admix. I think that also goes for Anglo South Africans since most of them intermingled with Afrikaners during the 20th century afaik.
I think Boer ancestry is not only Dutch. It's mostly Dutch but with other Euro ethnicities mixed in. I think Elon Musk looks mixed with Asian if anything, not with SSA.

[Roy]

Yup.

[sioned]

I think Boer ancestry is not only Dutch. It's mostly Dutch but with other Euro ethnicities mixed in. I think Elon Musk looks mixed with Asian if anything, not with SSA.

Is Musk of boer ethnicity? I doubt it. According to Wikipedia:

Elon Reeve Musk was born on June 28, 1971, in Pretoria, South Africa. His mother is Maye Musk (née Haldeman), a model and dietitian born in Saskatchewan, Canada, but raised in South Africa. His father is Errol Musk, a South African electromechanical engineer, pilot, sailor, consultant, and property developer who was once a half owner of a Zambian emerald mine near Lake Tanganyika. Musk has a younger brother, Kimbal (born 1972), and a younger sister, Tosca (born 1974). His maternal grandfather, Joshua Haldeman, was an American-born Canadian, and Musk has British and Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry

[Longbowman]

Is Musk of boer ethnicity? I doubt it. According to Wikipedia:

Elon Reeve Musk was born on June 28, 1971, in Pretoria, South Africa. His mother is Maye Musk (née Haldeman), a model and dietitian born in Saskatchewan, Canada, but raised in South Africa. His father is Errol Musk, a South African electromechanical engineer, pilot, sailor, consultant, and property developer who was once a half owner of a Zambian emerald mine near Lake Tanganyika. Musk has a younger brother, Kimbal (born 1972), and a younger sister, Tosca (born 1974). His maternal grandfather, Joshua Haldeman, was an American-born Canadian, and Musk has British and Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry

Musk's mother is not South African.

Musk's father is South African, half-British on his mother's side, but his father is indeed part-Boer, although also part-British.

Musk's father, Errol, is the son of Walter Henry James Musk, b. 1917, Pretoria.

WHJ Musk was the son of Harry Musk, b 1863, and Lucy Frances Musk, nee Champion, b. 1880, Caledon, South Africa.

Harry Musk was the son of William Bridgeman, himself the son of Willem Bridgeman and Elizabeth Exning. Although Exning is a village in Suffolk, 'Willem' is a Dutch name and makes it highly likely that Willem Bridgeman was Boer or Dutch. His mother was Eliza Musk, b 1844 in Exning, Suffolk, England. He was therefore likely 75% English and 25% Afrikaans, Boer or Dutch.

Lucy Champion was the daughter of John Irish Champion, b 1854, also in Caledon, SA, and Jacoba Louisa Theron, b 1840, Paael, South Africa. All the surnames in JI Champion's family are typically British if not Anglic. His mother was in fact born in England and it is likely his father was born in the UK too. However, as you might guess from the name, this is not true for Theron. Her entire family are Boers - both her father David Hendrik and her mother Elizabeth Rachel and her parents Pieter and Johanna de Villiers are from established Boer families. Therefore, Lucy Champion was 50% English and 50% Boer.

This makes WHJ Musk 37.5% Boer and 62.5% English.

WHJ Musk married Cora Robinson, whose father, John Robinson, was a Liverpudlian Englishman. However, her mother was Breghie Elizabeth Theron (common Boer surname) and was from South Africa. Theron was a Boer, descended from the van Vuuren, Botes, and Theron families.

Cora was therefore 50% English and 50% Boer. This makes Errol 9/16 (56%) English and 7/16 (44%) Boer.

Maye Musk nee Halderman was 75% English, 25% German.

Therefore, Elon Musk 21/32 English, 7/32 Boer and 4/32 German.

In percentage terms he is:

65.625% English/British, 21.875% Boer and 12.5% German.

This makes it likely he has around 0.5-1% SSA/Cape ancestry and 0.5-1% SEA ancestry.

[Loki]

This contemporary cartoon portrays him as pretty dark and exotic, so yeah, I'd say so.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rda3a6a655cfcced584bff86182693388?rik=U1JaI5SRNzO1 9Q&riu=http%3a%2f%2fc8.alamy.com%2fcomp%2fD87G7A%2fpa ul-kruger-D87G7A.jpg&ehk=X8MtXXlvDrSg%2fTWcrQ6PrW7o5GFE4vpRaONE%2fQu2Ap E%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw

Uhm, that's a cartoon.... Not a photo. You cannot classify someone's race from a cartoon picture.

[Loki]

It's likely that some Boers from his generation (born 1825) had a more significant SSA percentage than exists today, sometimes reflected in phenotype. As for him, maybe. Certainly doesn't look normal NW Euro. They also have Indian blood.

"They also have Indian blood".

No they don't. Some may have a very tiny percentage, at noise level.