Are Greeks more northeast-shifted than Italians?

[namelessuser]

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[Avgvstvs]

Yes, turkish and armenians too...didn't you know that?

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[Tenma de Pegasus]

More than South ones and maybe the Central ones. But the Central and North ones are more northwest and southwest euro.

[PaleoEuropean]

North East as in Balkan or Central or Eastern Slav?

[Jana]

No.

[Robocop]

I was both in Greece and Italy (entire Italy), and to even THINK that Greeks would be more North shifted than NORTH ITALIANS is for some comedy movie and not for serious thread.

More or less North Italians looks like Swiss people.

And about South Italians, they are very similar by appearence to Greeks, which is ofcourse only logical from historical point of view.

Now about NORTH-EAST shifted, answer is ... YES, because Italians (especially North Italians) are WESTERN EUROPEAN SHIFTED, Greeks have much North-East European influence, Pontids, North Pontids etc...

[princeton90]

I assume that you mean East Slavic when saying northeast-shifted. Since Greeks are genetically closer to East Slavs, I would say yes.

[princeton90]

No.

Why not?

[Unknown European]

I assume that you mean East Slavic when saying northeast-shifted. Since Greeks are genetically closer to East Slavs, I would say yes.

Probably not true. I put the averages in bold.

Distance to: Belarusian
0.09013938 Italian_Northeast:ALP220
0.09195160 Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.10275627 Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.10310248 Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.10472135 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP071
0.10474244 Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.10567786 Italian_Northeast
0.10646894 Italian_Northeast:KF1803129
0.10912385 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP070
0.10999614 Italian_Northeast:ALP346
0.11085217 Italian_Northeast:ALP233
0.11327564 Italian_Veneto:ALP378
0.11374260 Italian_Veneto:Alp100
0.11375761 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.11382445 Italian_Northeast:KF1800761
0.11419928 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP420
0.11431357 Italian_Veneto:ALP250
0.11455981 Italian_Northeast:ALP506
0.11460967 Italian_Northeast:ALP354
0.11525694 Italian_Northeast:ALP081
0.11527629 Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.11589302 Italian_Northeast:ALP280
0.11601916 Italian_Northeast:ALP235
0.11625804 Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.11657241 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.11689424 Italian_Veneto:KF1803151
0.11728206 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP395
0.11774095 Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.11812838 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.11825799 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.11831178 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.11890887 Italian_Veneto
0.11912065 Italian_Veneto:Alp401
0.11914699 Italian_Veneto:ALP022
0.11929842 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE59
0.11962916 Greek_Macedonia:676
0.12023146 Italian_Veneto:KF1803105
0.12033110 Greek_Macedonia:674
0.12080184 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP259
0.12122612 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.12244498 Greek_Macedonia:689
0.12259999 Italian_Veneto:KF1800751
0.12271421 Greek_Macedonia:680
0.12292227 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP12
0.12349203 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
0.12439427 Italian_Veneto:KF1800772
0.12472018 Italian_Veneto:KF1803109
0.12480321 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.12496758 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP3
0.12524402 Greek_Macedonia
0.12560703 Greek_Macedonia:686
0.12599920 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.12617936 Greek_Macedonia:679
0.12715786 Greek_Macedonia:687
0.12921043 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP15
0.12947942 Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.12983503 Greek_Macedonia:675
0.13007706 Greek_Macedonia:683
0.13024836 Greek_Macedonia:685
0.13067967 Greek_Macedonia:688
0.13119215 Italian_Veneto:ALP116
0.13181084 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP9
0.13213285 Italian_Veneto:ALP040
0.13221217 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP10
0.13261038 Greek_Macedonia:684
0.13340149 Greek_Macedonia:677
0.13405071 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP5
0.13421850 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP18
0.13431186 Greek_Macedonia:681
0.13537883 Greek_Macedonia:678
0.13612718 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP14
0.13658945 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP16
0.13694059 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP114
0.14125520 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP4

CLEAR OUTPUT
MODE - SINGLE MAX OUTPUT NUMBER:
1000
ADD GRADIENT - YES
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0
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0.2
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Belarusian

[Leto]

I was both in Greece and Italy (entire Italy), and to even THINK that Greeks would be more North shifted than NORTH ITALIANS is for some comedy movie and not for serious thread.

More or less North Italians looks like Swiss people.

And about South Italians, they are very similar by appearence to Greeks, which is ofcourse only logical from historical point of view.

Now about NORTH-EAST shifted, answer is ... YES, because Italians (especially North Italians) are WESTERN EUROPEAN SHIFTED, Greeks have much North-East European influence, Pontids, North Pontids etc...
Hey, you do realize the question is not about Pontids and all that bullshit but autosomal genetics. It's mind-blowing how so many people still ignore population genetics and continue to attach great significance to "taxonomy".
I still remember your reaction to Zlatan Ibrahimovic from years ago and yes, he may actually have more Nordo-Slavic blood than you! Just look at his completely Swedicized sons and tell me if you have such kids ;)

[Robocop]

Hey, you do realize the question is not about Pontids and all that bullshit but autosomal genetics. It's mind-blowing how so many people still ignore population genetics and continue to attach great significance to "taxonomy".
I still remember your reaction to Zlatan Ibrahimovic from years ago and yes, he may actually have more Nordo-Slavic blood than you! Just look at his completely Swedicized sons and tell me if you have such kids ;)

If you know my views and posts then you should know this as well:

1st. I dont care for Nordish look or Nordish people, in comparison to you, I am not North European-fanatic.

2nd. If I could choose I would always choose who I am now; South European over North European; who I truly don't find same to my mindset, culture or legacy, even though we belong all to European people and white race, I dont share (and I don't want to share) anything else in common with them.

3rd. My children looks like me, I dont want them to look like North Europeans, for obvious reasons; I AM NOT CRAZY...(like some people) obviously.

4th. My opinion about Zlatan will never change, and so what, it's not like I am Zevs from Olympus who decides who is who, I just said what I think about him.

Cheers.