Classify Israeli from Sephardic Jew background - Dor Peretz

[lustermoo]

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[Wunjoz]

Orientalid phenotype. I guess Ashkenazis look down on pure Jews like him.

[Cristiano viejo]

Arab.

[Gallop]

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Por qué veo a América aquí?

[Uranous]

Med altered by negroide admixture.

[lustermoo]

Med altered by negroide admixture.

Not every brown person has black admixture.

[LittleDarkAge]

Not every brown person has black admixture.

Anthrotard quality level.

[delafontaine]

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Por qué veo a América aquí?

Indeed he looks like he's some Latin-American mix here.
I had never seen such an exotic looking Sephardic jew

[lustermoo]

Anthrotard quality level.

Me?

[LittleDarkAge]

Me?

Not you, the guy who posted it.

[Uranous]

Not you, the guy who posted it.



To deny the negroide contribution in this individual is to show anthropological ignorance, if this guy was South American you say tri-racial, .... one wonders who is being lingered.

[lustermoo]

To deny the negroide contribution in this individual is to show anthropological ignorance, if this guy was South American you say tri-racial, .... one wonders who is being lingered.

I’m sorry, but I feel like you’re just a little off here, because you already have a big habit of calling North Africans armenoids for some reason, this guy is not obviously ssa admixed, he is a brown semitic person

[Cristiano viejo]

I’m sorry, but I feel like you’re just a little off here, because you already have a big habit of calling North Africans armenoids for some reason, this guy is not obviously ssa admixed, he is a brown semitic person

For sure he has SSA blood. Any Sefardi gets.

[Pine]

Likely not fully Sephardic. Guessing part Teimani.

[Pine]

For sure he has SSA blood.

Some of it is from Spaniards.

[LittleDarkAge]

Some of it is from Spaniards.

Spaniards don't have SSA blood, you moron.

[RicoSuave]

Spanish

[Cristiano viejo]

Sorry Pine, you are in my ignore list, I can not see your posts, so dont quote me, thanks in advance.

[Cristiano viejo]

Spanish

Good luck searching Spanish that look like him.

[lustermoo]

For sure he has SSA blood. Any Sefardi gets.

SSA looking Sephardi’s are extremely rare, I’m not sure if ive ever seen one either.

[Cristiano viejo]

SSA looking Sephardi’s are extremely rare, I’m not sure if ive ever seen one either.

I did not mean phenotypically but genetically.

I am not very familiar with Sefardi Jews, so I can not say if they look partly SSA. I doubt it but whatever.

[RicoSuave]

Good luck searching Spanish that look like him.

These elusive Spanish come to this website on some "Hi everyone I'm Pablo, do I look European" nah you look like Berber from North Africa

[Cristiano viejo]

These elusive Spanish come to this website on some "Hi everyone I'm Pablo, do I look European" nah you look like Berber from North Africa

Cool story Mongol.

[RicoSuave]

Cool story Mongol.

When I'm on my winning streak in Fifa21 I channel my Valencia

[Cristiano viejo]

When I'm on my winning streak in Fifa21 I channel my Valencia

Please remove your Spanish nickname.

[RicoSuave]

Please remove your Spanish nickname.

Bruh I try to fit in, I try to be European white give me a break bruh

[LittleDarkAge]

These elusive Spanish come to this website on some "Hi everyone I'm Pablo, do I look European" nah you look like Berber from North Africa

Why do you think Spaniards cluster so tightly with the rest of the White race?

Think hard, retard.

[RicoSuave]

Why do you think Spaniards cluster so tightly with the rest of the White race?

Think hard, retard.

They don't

[IndoEuropeanR1b]

These elusive Spanish come to this website on some "Hi everyone I'm Pablo, do I look European" nah you look like Berber from North Africa

hi everyone i'm pablo :lmao

[RicoSuave]

hi everyone i'm pablo :lmao

I'm less than 1/4 Almoravid

It make sense my sister is named after Berber tribe

[Longbowman]

Orientalid phenotype. I guess Ashkenazis look down on pure Jews like him.

Peretz is probably about as Levantine as the average Ashkenazi (assuming he is purely Sephardic).

[LittleDarkAge]

They don't

You're denying objective science. I could link to genetic studies, but I have done that more times than I can remember and none of you mouth-breathers cared to read them. Too lazy. I spend 20 minutes of my day carefully responding to several arguments made by individuals who clearly don't understand what they're talking about, and all they can do in return is write one-sentence-arguments repeating the same thing they claimed a while ago. I have never seen any of you admit you're wrong when you clearly are.

[Parça do Neymar]

Very interesting looks for a Sephardi, he does give off some latino vibes.


Orientalid phenotype. I guess Ashkenazis look down on pure Jews like him.

Sephardis are the sister group of the Ashkenazi, just saying. Genetically they cluster tightly together.

[Wunjoz]

Peretz is probably about as Levantine as the average Ashkenazi (assuming he is purely Sephardic).

Then, I speak for just looks. I remember an armenoid-orientalid Jewish guy complaining about how secular Ashkenazim in Israel don't like Middle Eastern looking ones among them. I'm sure Israel is also as OWD as South America or others.

[Cristiano viejo]

Bruh I try to fit in, I try to be European white give me a break bruh

:costumed-smiley-067

[happycow]

Looks mexican.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Orientalid phenotype. I guess Ashkenazis look down on pure Jews like him.

Throughout the majority of Europe's history the Sephardic Jews were treated as the elite among Jews. Sometimes they even tended to discriminate against non-Sephardic Jews who wanted to pray at their synagogues by forcing them to sit separately from the rest of the congregation.

In this forum for some reason people always think that that Ashkenazi Jews living in impoverished and dreary regions of Europe have always been the "elite" based merely on how "white" they can be perceived to look like nowadays. Of course, the Sephardi communities in Venice, Leghorn, London, Bordeaux, Bayonne, Hamburg and Amsterdam were "impoverished" in comparison to their "thriving" Ashkenazi counterparts...

[Hasien]

Lmao this guy looks mexican that explains our sephardic admixture as well im like 10%

[Hasien]

Looks mexican.

Glad im not the only one, i thought he was one of us.

[Cristiano viejo]

Throughout the majority of Europe's history the Sephardic Jews were treated as the elite among Jews. Sometimes they even tended to discriminate against non-Sephardic Jews who wanted to pray at their synagogues by forcing them to sit separately from the rest of the congregation.

In this forum for some reason people always think that that Ashkenazi Jews living in impoverished and dreary regions of Europe have always been the "elite" based merely on how "white" they can be perceived to look like nowadays. Of course, the Sephardi communities in Venice, Leghorn, London, Bordeaux, Bayonne, Hamburg and Amsterdam were "impoverished" in comparison to their "thriving" Ashkenazi counterparts...
It is very well documented that Sefardis discriminated and looked down to Ashkenazis in the past centuries, specially when they settled in Netherlands.

[Hamilcar]

maybe he has a falasha parent/grandparent

[Longbowman]

maybe he has a falasha parent/grandparent

Extremely unlikely.

[Hamilcar]

Extremely unlikely.

why ? Because of racism?

[Longbowman]

why ? Because of racism?

Because of

1) how he looks
2) when he was born (1995) making it essentially impossible for him to have had a Beta Israel grandparents
3) statistics (only 7% of Beta Israel marry non-Beta Israel)

In 1979 there were only around 5-600 Beta Israel in Israel. In 1970 (when his parents were born) it was only around 100-150.

[Hamilcar]

Because of

1) how he looks
2) when he was born (1995) making it essentially impossible for him to have had a Beta Israel grandparents
3) statistics (only 7% of Beta Israel marry non-Beta Israel)

In 1979 there were only around 5-600 Beta Israel in Israel. In 1970 (when his parents were born) it was only around 100-150.

is cochin jew also unlikely ?

[Longbowman]

is cochin jew also unlikely ?

It's more possible. Thousands moved to Israel in the 50s and 60s. Most married amongst themselves, though.

He's just a darker Sephardi with a probably significant amount of Maghrebi blood. Iberian-Jewish surname though.

[Hamilcar]

It's more possible. Thousands moved to Israel in the 50s and 60s. Most married amongst themselves, though.

He's just a darker Sephardi with a probably significant amount of Maghrebi blood. Iberian-Jewish surname though.

he's clearly too dark for both North Africa and the middle east (he's in the south asian range), I don't see how having some maghrebi blood would make someone look like that

[Longbowman]

he's clearly too dark for both North Africa and the middle east (he's in the south asian range), I don't see how having some maghrebi blood would make someone look like that

Who knows? It's possible. I just don't buy it. Temani is more likely. Maghrebi dad, Temani mum.

[lustermoo]

he's clearly too dark for both North Africa and the middle east (he's in the south asian range), I don't see how having some maghrebi blood would make someone look like that

Not too dark for middle east

[Hamilcar]

Not too dark for middle east

except maybe for oman/yemen he's too dark for the middle east

[Uranous]

he's clearly too dark for both North Africa and the middle east (he's in the south asian range), I don't see how having some maghrebi blood would make someone look like that

This guy pass easy in maghreb , in france many maghrebies specialie moroccans looks him

[Pine]

Spaniards don't have SSA blood, you moron.

1. They do. Just take a look at 23andMe results.
2. Country: Brazil. Ethnicity: European LOL

[Cristiano viejo]

It's more possible. Thousands moved to Israel in the 50s and 60s. Most married amongst themselves, though.

He's just a darker Sephardi with a probably significant amount of Maghrebi blood. Iberian-Jewish surname though.

There is no such thing as an Iberian-Jewish surname. Or it is Iberian or it is Jewish, and Peretz is not Iberian.

[Universe]

1. They do. Just take a look at 23andMe results.
2. Country: Brazil. Ethnicity: European LOL
Sephardics have more SSA than do Spaniards, so I don't think Sephardics have it because they mixed with Spaniards.

[Pine]

Sephardics have more SSA than do Spaniards, so I don't think Sephardics have it because they mixed with Spaniards.

Which Sephardim? I see Spaniards score SSA much more often.

[Uranous]

Which Sephardim? I see Spaniards score SSA much more often.

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I dont think so.

[Universe]

Which Sephardim? I see Spaniards score SSA much more often.
Whichever sephardim population this avarage is based on : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?155723-K8-All-Populations-Spreadsheet

[Cristiano viejo]

Sephardics have more SSA than do Spaniards, so I don't think Sephardics have it because they mixed with Spaniards.

Spaniards dont have SSA. Sefardis do.

[Luso]

Which Sephardim? I see Spaniards score SSA much more often.

I'm not sure I follow. But again for the millionth time... the 23andme algorithm works on avg percentages for a general population, think gedmatch categories -it isn't that different. Naturally, it is a fact that usually Spanish scores less SSA than a Sephardic would, but not always. But the way the system works is if, for example, a Spaniard goes a little above their avg component of SSA (that Spaniards score) it will show on the test, just like how if a Sephardi goes a tad above their avg it will show. That's how the test goes about displaying new categories that deviate from a single population. But since the last 23andMe update I haven't seen that many Iberians scoring anything besides just Spanish or Portuguese. The reason you don't see a lot of sephardi's scoring ssa on the test itself is bc they are either on avg with their ssa percentage, or below -- it doesn't mean they don't have any ssa.

[Pine]

I'm not sure I follow. But again for the millionth time... the 23andme algorithm works on avg percentages for a general population, think gedmatch categories -it isn't that different. Naturally, it is a fact that a Spaniard scores less SSA than a Sephardic. But if a Spaniard goes a little above their lower avg in SSA (that Spaniards score) it will show on the test, just like how if a Sephardi goes a tad above their avg it will show. That's how the test goes about displaying new categories that deviate from a single population. But since the last 23andMe update I haven't seen that many Iberians scoring anything besides just Spanish or Portuguese. The reason you don't see a lot of sephardi's scoring ssa on the test itself is bc they are either on avg with their ssa percentage, or below -- it doesn't mean they don't have any ssa.

There is no Sephardi category on 23andMe.

[Luso]

There is no Sephardi category on 23andMe.

There doesn't have to be. It'll be roughly mostly NA/WA plus some Ashkenazi probably. The avg plot is considered.

[Pine]

Whichever sephardim population this avarage is based on : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?155723-K8-All-Populations-Spreadsheet

Go look at the K13 spreadsheet. Plenty of Spanish regions score higher SSA than Sephardim. Even that K7 breakdown, which doesn't leave room for Berber, has 2 Spanish regions score more SSA than Sephardim.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm not sure I follow. But again for the millionth time... the 23andme algorithm works on avg percentages for a general population, think gedmatch categories -it isn't that different. Naturally, it is a fact that a Spaniard scores less SSA than a Sephardic. But if a Spaniard goes a little above their lower avg in SSA (that Spaniards score) it will show on the test, just like how if a Sephardi goes a tad above their avg it will show. That's how the test goes about displaying new categories that deviate from a single population. But since the last 23andMe update I haven't seen that many Iberians scoring anything besides just Spanish or Portuguese. The reason you don't see a lot of sephardi's scoring ssa on the test itself is bc they are either on avg with their ssa percentage, or below -- it doesn't mean they don't have any ssa.
Spanish dont have SSA. I mean, any European ethnicity "scores" it, even Icelandic do
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?294270-Icelandic-Gedmatch-results

[Pine]

There doesn't have to be. It'll be roughly mostly NA/WA plus some Ashkenazi probably. The avg plot is considered.

If you think those categories contain more SSA than Iberians have, go check the K13 chart of Sephardim vs Iberians for SSA. Also, show me where 23andMe assigns ethnicities relative to avg ancient admixtures.

[Pine]

Spanish dont have SSA. I mean, any European ethnicity "scores" it, even Icelandic do
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?294270-Icelandic-Gedmatch-results

El copo is real

[LittleDarkAge]

1. They do. Just take a look at 23andMe results.

Because some individuals have SSA blood, not the average population, you retard. Go learn anything at all about averages and exceptions before debating others.


2. Country: Brazil. Ethnicity: European LOL

Definition of ethnicity according to dictionary:
1. Ethnic character, background, or affiliation.
2. An ethnic group.

Brazil is a country.

Now, give me an honest answer, if you're even capable of doing so: can an ethnically European person be born in Brazil? Yes or no? Can a Brazilian have European ancestry? Yes or no? Can this ethnically Brazilian person of European background identify more with his background than with his place of birth? Yes or no?

You sound very unintelligent when you argue that way. Just so you know.

[Uranous]

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In general, the populations of the Iberian Peninsula have more Nordic, Eurasian and South European contributions, the extra European contributions are residual and surely due to the integration of Moorish population and Sephardi not expelled from the Iberian Peninsula.

[PaleoEuropean]

Spanish dont have SSA. I mean, any European ethnicity "scores" it, even Icelandic do
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?294270-Icelandic-Gedmatch-results

All the European SSA is just archaic dna. Blacks weren't even really a major part of the Moorish invasion, they were mostly servants and slaves. I am sure there were a good handful of warriors in the initial invasions but they weren't occupiers.

[Luso]

If you think those categories contain more SSA than Iberians have, go check the K13 chart of Sephardim vs Iberians for SSA. Also, show me where 23andMe assigns ethnicities relative to avg ancient admixtures.

it's as simple as this: "Your Ancestry Composition report shows the percentage of your DNA that comes from each of 45 populations. We calculate your Ancestry Composition by comparing your genome to those of over 14,000 people with known ancestry. When a segment of your DNA closely matches the DNA from one of the 45 populations, we assign that ancestry to the corresponding segment of your DNA. We calculate the ancestry for individual segments of your genome separately, then add them together to compute your overall ancestry composition."

They compare to a baseline of 14,000 people and create an avg category for that ancestry. It may not say it explicitly, bc it talks ab separately calculating the % to that ethnicity, but it's obviously based on the means of each compares to the avg baseline percentage they know when to add a new category, or not. Which explains why I get like .5% SSA, when others aren't.. bc I'm a tad above avg in that category.

[Cristiano viejo]

In general, the populations of the Iberian Peninsula have more Nordic, Eurasian and South European contributions, the extra European contributions are residual and surely due to the integration of Moorish population and Sephardi not expelled from the Iberian Peninsula.

Moorish population was basically Iberians converted to Islam. Even their descendants that 400 years later of their expulsion of Spain live in North Africa dont look Moorish at all
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?88192-Classify-real-Moors

[Pine]

it's as simple as this: "Your Ancestry Composition report shows the percentage of your DNA that comes from each of 45 populations. We calculate your Ancestry Composition by comparing your genome to those of over 14,000 people with known ancestry. When a segment of your DNA closely matches the DNA from one of the 45 populations, we assign that ancestry to the corresponding segment of your DNA. We calculate the ancestry for individual segments of your genome separately, then add them together to compute your overall ancestry composition."

They compare to a baseline of 14,000 people and create an avg category for that ancestry. It may not say it explicitly, bc it talks ab separately calculating the % to that ethnicity, but it's obviously based on the means of each compares to the avg baseline percentage they know when to add a new category, or not. Which explains why I get like .5% SSA, when others aren't.. bc I'm a tad above avg in that category.

no

[Luso]

no

then how do they come up with an entirely new SSA category for me, but not Bras (who scores 100% Portuguese)? How do they know when to include the SSA category, and when not to? It isn't random, and we don't plot very different at all.

[Pine]

Because some individuals have SSA blood, not the average population, you retard. Go learn anything at all about averages and exceptions before debating others.

How did those individuals get it?




Definition of ethnicity according to dictionary:
1. Ethnic character, background, or affiliation.
2. An ethnic group.

Brazil is a country.

Now, give me an honest answer, if you're even capable of doing so: can an ethnically European person be born in Brazil? Yes or no? Can a Brazilian have European ancestry? Yes or no? Can this ethnically Brazilian person of European background identify more with his background than with his place of birth? Yes or no?

You sound very unintelligent when you argue that way. Just so you know.

Please show your European DNA results.

[Pine]

then how do they come up with an entirely new SSA category for me, but not Bras (who scores 100% Portuguese)? How do they know when to include the SSA category, and when not to? It isn't random, and we don't plot very different at all.

You inherited SSA segments; he didn't.

[Luso]

You inherited SSA segments; he didn't.

So you think he is 0% SSA? Your logic isn't making sense bc no matter what there is a % of SSA in the Portuguese--Iberian-- category itself. And it works the same for every population.

[chociprasa]

Armenoid + Indoid

[Luso]

he's clearly too dark for both North Africa and the middle east (he's in the south asian range), I don't see how having some maghrebi blood would make someone look like that

My arms are the same color as his... can't see him being that atypical in North Africa.

[LittleDarkAge]

How did those individuals get it?

Some people born in Germany score Middle Eastern in genetic tests. How did they get it? Oh, probably because Middle Eastern individuals immigrated to Germany and mixed with the local individuals. Does that mean the average German population is mixed with Middle Eastern people? Of course not. Can you see the difference? The original population is unmixed even if some individuals born in that region are mixed. Same with so-called Spaniards that have SSA blood. They aren't really Spaniards. They're mixed people born in Spain.


Please show your European DNA results.

I'm not your slave. I don't want to show you anything personal. My point is still valid, though. An ethnically European person can be born in Brazil.

[Longbowman]

There is no such thing as an Iberian-Jewish surname. Or it is Iberian or it is Jewish, and Peretz is not Iberian.

It is mostly or exclusively carried by Jews with Iberian Jewish ancestry.

Sometimes it is written 'Perez.'

[Pine]

So you think he is 0% SSA? Your logic isn't making sense bc no matter what there is a % of SSA in the Portuguese--Iberian-- category itself. And it works the same for every population.

Ancestrally, you both likely have SSA. As far as inheritance goes, it's not about averages, at least the vast majority of the story can't be. Consider how many people get assigned 100% of the same group, yet plot far apart. Also, everything they say is about comparing individual segments. Even if we assume the Iberian category has SSA segments, which could very well be true, this would mean that you have SSA segments not in that reference, aside from some hickup in their algorithm. This would again mean that you inherited a segment unique to the SSA reference that he didn't.

[Pine]

Some people born in Germany score Middle Eastern in genetic tests. How did they get it? Oh, probably because Middle Eastern individuals immigrated to Germany and mixed with the local individuals. Does that mean the average German population is mixed with Middle Eastern people? Of course not. Can you see the difference? The original population is unmixed even if some individuals born in that region are mixed. Same with so-called Spaniards that have SSA blood. They aren't really Spaniards. They're mixed people born in Spain.

One, by definition, their admixture % will be calculated into the average and therefore the average statistic will have that admixture. Two, you think these SSA segments entered Spain and remained in some inbred network of 1-2 families?

[Pine]

I'm not your slave. I don't want to show you anything personal. My point is still valid, though. An ethnically European person can be born in Brazil.

Just be proud to be a mixed race Latino.

[LittleDarkAge]

One, by definition, their admixture % will be calculated into the average and therefore the average statistic will have that admixture. Two, you think these SSA segments entered Spain and remained in some inbred network of 1-2 families?

You failed to notice, though, that the average Spaniard cluster tightly with rest of the Europeans because their DNA is unmixed, even if some individuals born in Spain have SSA blood. 23andMe results are not enough to establish an African influence on the Spanish DNA. In fact, there have been lots of complaints by its clients when it comes to minor percentages. 23andMe purposely adds some percentages to the results in order to make it more diverse. Very common with Europeans' results, actually. People would always be overwhelmed by how many times they scored Ashkenazi Jewish on 23andMe. Those same people do different DNA tests and find out those Ashkenazi Jewish percentages were non-existent. However, for some reason, the company enjoys adding Ashkenazi to Europeans' results. So you can throw these genetic tests in the trash, where they belong.

[LittleDarkAge]

Just be proud to be a mixed race Latino.

I'm not insecure about my background, so I don't really get offended when you say that.
I know all you can do is throw insults here and there, but it's basically making you look ridiculous.

[Pine]

You failed to notice, though, that the average Spaniard cluster tightly with rest of the Europeans because their DNA is unmixed, even if some individuals born in Spain have SSA blood. 23andMe results are not enough to establish an African influence on the Spanish DNA. In fact, there have been lots of complaints by its clients when it comes to minor percentages. 23andMe purposely adds some percentages to the results in order to make it more diverse. Very common with Europeans' results, actually. People would always be overwhelmed by how many times they scored Ashkenazi Jewish on 23andMe. Those same people do different DNA tests and find out those Ashkenazi Jewish percentages were non-existent. However, for some reason, the company enjoys adding Ashkenazi to Europeans' results. So you can throw these genetic tests in the trash, where they belong.

A difference of trace SSA won't make someone plot far away from the mean. You still haven't given me a narrative of how only isolated individuals have SSA ancestry. The rest is cope.

[LittleDarkAge]

A difference of trace SSA won't make someone plot far away from the mean.

Genetic clusters show that individuals who have recent non-White admixture nearly always cluster with their non-White side. So in order for Spaniards to cluster with the rest of the White race, which they do, their SSA blood has to be very little to non-existent.

(See: Genetic Structure, Self-Identified Race/Ethnicity, and Confounding in Case-Control Association Studies, Hua Tang)


You still haven't given me a narrative of how only isolated individuals have SSA ancestry. The rest is cope.

I gave you a clear example of how that is possible: immigration.

By the way, stop thinking that anyone who tries to debunk your are ideas are coping. Everything in this world can be analyzed by different scientific methods and reasoning. You're not right by default. People who disagree with you are not wrong by default either.

[Universe]

Genetic clusters show that individuals who have recent non-White admixture nearly always cluster with their non-White side. So in order for Spaniards to cluster with the rest of the White race, which they do, their SSA blood has to be very little to non-existent.

(See: Genetic Structure, Self-Identified Race/Ethnicity, and Confounding in Case-Control Association Studies, Hua Tang)



I gave you a clear example of how that is possible: immigration.

By the way, stop thinking that anyone who tries to debunk your are ideas are coping. Everything in this world can be analyzed by different scientific methods and reasoning. You're not right by default. People who disagree with you are not wrong by default either.
One can have 5% or even 10% SSA admixture and still "plot in Europe". Btw PCA's trash, oracles are more accurate.

[Pine]

Genetic clusters show that individuals who have recent non-White admixture nearly always cluster with their non-White side. So in order for Spaniards to cluster with the rest of the White race, which they do, their SSA blood has to be very little to non-existent.

(See: Genetic Structure, Self-Identified Race/Ethnicity, and Confounding in Case-Control Association Studies, Hua Tang)


It's probably not over 5%, but it's there.



I gave you a clear example of how that is possible: immigration.


Now tell me how immigration only gave trace SSA to isolated individuals.



By the way, stop thinking that anyone who tries to debunk your are ideas are coping. Everything in this world can be analyzed by different scientific methods and reasoning. You're not right by default. People who disagree with you are not wrong by default either.

Is academia also in on it?


The ‘Portugal-Andalucia’ cluster shows the greatest YRI contribution, and also shows some evidence of a second admixture date, with a more recent event involving only sub-Saharan-African-like and European-like source groups (see Supplementary Figure 7 and Supplementary Note 8.2). This indicates a recent pulse of sub-Saharan African DNA, independent of the north African component.

source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08272-w

Maybe you want to argue that such admixture hasn't reached northern Spain? Such is at least plausible.

[LittleDarkAge]

One can have 5% or even 10% SSA admixture and still "plot in Europe". Btw PCA's trash, oracles are more accurate.

Not so. You still haven't answered me about Sumeria, though. It seems like I have beaten you in every argument we have had. Do you want to embarass yourself in front of your friends again? I will give you a chance of being quiet this time, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

[Dr_Maul]

He is dark but only a little bit outside of the very tanned Med range, imo. Similar to Nadal

[Universe]

Not so.
Yes so. I've seen such results. There was a puerto rican on anthroscape who had like 5% ssa and 5% amerindian and she still plotted in southern Europe on k15 PCA because her euro side was Spanish. Iberians plot more northern than other southern europeans, and her admixture didn't pull her south enough to make her plot outside of European cluster.

Someone 7/8 british and 1/8 East Indian(South Asian) will probably plot in Central Europe or maybe southeastern Europe, but the oracle will right away show he has non-euro admixture. So fuck those pca clusters.

You still haven't answered me about Sumeria, though. I will give you a chance of being quiet this time, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
I don't give a shit about Sumeria. If I had cared I'd have replied. And I didn't answer because you didn't ask any question, so there wasn't a question to answer. I didn't even say you were wrong about Sumeria to begin with, I don't know what you're imagining

It seems like I have beaten you in every argument we have had.
Nope

Do you want to embarass yourself in front of your friends again?
Again? You never did. Why are you so butthurt?

[lustermoo]

He is dark but only a little bit outside of the very tanned Med range, imo. Similar to Nadal

He’s definetly darker than nadal but he ain’t anything crazy for the Middle East

[CordedWhelp]

Do Sephardim and Ashkenazim have a little SSA? I really wonder if Beta Israel had some back migration to Jewish populations in Eurasia.

[LittleDarkAge]

It's probably not over 5%, but it's there.

Stop making up percentages out of nowhere.

You didn't even read the article, did you? Funny how you link to your genetic studies without looking up mine. You don't seem to be trying to find the truth of the matter.


Now tell me how immigration only gave trace SSA to isolated individuals.

Because those individuals are part of the offspring of the immigrants.




Is academia also in on it?

Oh my God, your study literally proves me right! The study is clearly showing that (1) SSA admixture is only found in certain Iberian populations, not in the average, and that (2) such admixture is recent, which means it had to come through immigration. Thanks for linking to a study that shows my ideas are correct. I appreciate that!

[LittleDarkAge]

Yes so. I've seen such results. There was a puerto rican on anthroscape who had like 5% ssa and 5% amerindian and she still plotted in southern Europe on k15 PCA because her euro side was Spanish. Iberians plot more northern than other southern europeans, and her admixture didn't pull her south enough to make her plot outside of European cluster.

I'm not talking about an anthroscape. I'm talking about serious genetic studies performed by scientists. Your example doesn't invalidate the data, especially considering we don't know if it's true. Anecdotal evidence is not scientific.


Someone 7/8 british and 1/8 East Indian(South Asian) will probably plot in Central Europe or maybe southeastern Europe, but the oracle will right away show he has non-euro admixture. So fuck those pca clusters.

Not according to genetic tests. You're wrong again.


I don't give a shit about Sumeria. If I had cared I'd have replied. And I didn't answer because you didn't ask any question, so there wasn't a question to answer. I didn't even say you were wrong about Sumeria to begin with, I don't know what you're imagining

You cared enough to reply to my arguments. And I don't need to ask a question for you to answer. An answer can be given to an argument, even if it's not a question. You confronted me about Sumeria and you lost.



Again? You never did. Why are you so butthurt?

I actually did. Three times. Keep pretending it hasn't happened.

[Dr_Maul]

He’s definetly darker than nadal but he ain’t anything crazy for the Middle East

He's darker but still in the acceptable range for that "type" (very tanned Med) this color imo is visible in parts of NA and in the Gulf specifically in Southern Iraq

[Universe]

I'm talking about serious genetic studies performed by scientists. Your example doesn't invalidate the data, especially considering we don't know if it's true. Anecdotal evidence is not scientific.
It's not anecdotal, I have seen enough of such cases. You obv don't fully understand how those PCAs work. You can't expect them to be 100% accurate when they are two dimensional. On a two dimensional coordinate system you can accurately represent a point that has two coordinates. That's like primary school level maths. On k15 calculator for instance you have a result with 15 coordinates, so you would need a 15 dimensional coordinate system to plot someone correctly, but that's obv impossible.

Have you actually seen how mixed race individuals plot on those PCAs? I'm talking about individuals that are mostly european with a little SSA and/or Amerindian, not 50-50 mulattos. They will probably still plot in Europe, especially if their euro admix is northern euro.

Look at the pca here : https://i.postimg.cc/9Wp1NDgy/mar21nweuro.png

"Celestiamom" scores over 5% SSA on k15 calculator and the PCA above that's based on the same calculator shows she's in between the Belgian and the English cluster. She clusters very similarly to users that have 0% ssa.
However the k15 oracle would right away show she has significant ssa %.

All I am saying PCA have its limitations and oracle shows admixtures more accurately. Not a hard pill to swallow.

Not according to genetic tests. You're wrong again.
Again: have you actually seen how people with a little non-euro admixture plot? I have seen many of them. 5-10% non-euro admixture won't make them plot outside of Europeean cluster.

You cared enough to reply to my arguments. And I don't need to ask a question for you to answer. An answer can be given to an argument, even if it's not a question. You confronted me about Sumeria and you lost.
Few minutes ago you were complaining I didn't reply. So which one is it? I replied or I didn't reply?
I replied to you 2 times, then stopped replying to you because I didn't care enough.

In my first reply to you I said "Mediterranid pheno isn't only found among Europeans", which was a factually correct observation by me.
Then I asked you "How do we know Sumerians were migrants from Europe?", so yeah I asked a question because I wanted to learn more about your theory. So that can barely be called confrontation, I never insisted you were wrong about Sumerians or anything. How did I lose when I never said you were wrong?

You just have a shit personality so you get angry and agressive easily.

I actually did. Three times. Keep pretending it hasn't happened.
Keep pretending it happened.:thumb001:

[Cristiano viejo]

It is mostly or exclusively carried by Jews with Iberian Jewish ancestry.

Sometimes it is written 'Perez.'
Of course, by Sefardis. That makes it a Sefardi surname, not an Iberian-Jewish surname, which suggests both Iberians and Jews carry it, which does not occur. We dont carry surnames as Peretz, Cohen, Levy, Abravanel, etc.


He is dark but only a little bit outside of the very tanned Med range, imo. Similar to Nadal
Nadal does not look Arab like this guy. At the end, Nadal is European and this guy is Middle Eastern.

[Universe]

Anyway, I don't give a shit about this "rivalry" between us, you're a ridiculous user for thinking we're enemies or something, you're a sensitive little shit who's still butthurt for something I told you 1 month ago. If you won the debate as you say, then why are you still mad about it?

Spaniards don't have SSA blood, you moron.
Are you capable of disagreeing with someone without insulting them? You are highly impulsive, which is a negroid trait rather than european.

In my new thread Iberians members themselves are saying they have a little SSA admixture. See here : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?344451-Poll-Do-Iberians-have-minor-SSA-admixture

Spanish avarage on vahaduo k13 is more than 1% ssa. Actually, they score 0.69% SSA on that calculator, but they also score 1.13 "Northeast African" which is half SSA (probably something like Somalis.)

"bUt If ThEy HaVe 1% sSa tHeY sHouLd pLoT outside of EuRoPeAn cLuSteR"
No, they shouldn't, you say that because you don't understand how those plots work.

[Pine]

Stop making up percentages out of nowhere.

You didn't even read the article, did you? Funny how you link to your genetic studies without looking up mine. You don't seem to be trying to find the truth of the matter.

The figure comes from memory. Nassbean just cited 1-3% in another thread from a study. There is no debate about this outside of TA.




Because those individuals are part of the offspring of the immigrants.

Is it just a few individuals given that some of these "immigrants" were from 300-400 years ago?






Oh my God, your study literally proves me right! The study is clearly showing that (1) SSA admixture is only found in certain Iberian populations, not in the average, and that (2) such admixture is recent, which means it had to come through immigration. Thanks for linking to a study that shows my ideas are correct. I appreciate that!


(1) You claimed individuals. Now, you need to cut out entire regions of Iberia. I offered you before to argue that it doesn't apply to the north.
(2) Recent doesn't mean "immigration", but that aside, do you expect SSA ancestry only to be found in outliers given that at least on source of this admixture is 300-400 years old?

You also don't know what average means. The word you're likely looking for is median, and it still may not apply.

[LittleDarkAge]

Are you capable of disagreeing with someone without insulting them?

Yes, I am. Though I prefer heated discussions.


You are highly impulsive, which is a negroid trait rather than european.

No, I insult people for fun, not because I'm highly impulsive. I suppose Cristiano Viejo does the same, but I'm not sure.


In my new thread Iberians members themselves are saying they have a little SSA admixture.

It turns out that it's true, so you're correct. I confronted Pine with the assumption that he was claiming that Spaniards are mixed. Now I see what he was talking about. My bad.


"bUt If ThEy HaVe 1% sSa tHeY sHouLd pLoT outside of EuRoPeAn cLuSteR"
No, they shouldn't, you say that because you don't understand how those plots work.

No, they do not cluster outside of the European group if they have 1% of any non-White blood. I knew that, but I screwed up my whole argument when debating Pine. This is also my mistake.

As for our rivalry, I don't see you as an enemy and I apologize for being toxic. Maybe you won't accept my apologies, but I feel like doing it anyways. I was wrong.

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jew

[Universe]

Yes, I am. Though I prefer heated discussions.



No, I insult people for fun, not because I'm highly impulsive. I suppose Cristiano Viejo does the same, but I'm not sure.



It turns out that it's true, so you're correct. I confronted Pine with the assumption that he was claiming that Spaniards are mixed. Now I see what he was talking about. My bad.



No, they do not cluster outside of the European group if they have 1% of any non-White blood. I knew that, but I screwed up my whole argument when debating Pine. This is also my mistake.

As for our rivalry, I don't see you as an enemy and I apologize for being toxic. Maybe you won't accept my apologies, but I feel like doing it anyways. I was wrong.
Well, if you're being honest, then no problem man.

[Cristiano viejo]

In my new thread Iberians members themselves are saying they have a little SSA admixture. See here : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?344451-Poll-Do-Iberians-have-minor-SSA-admixture
No, they say SOME Iberians do, not all.
Same than Hungarian members should do about SSA admiture in Hungary, if you were honest.


Spanish avarage on vahaduo k13 is more than 1% ssa. Actually, they score 0.69% SSA on that calculator, but they also score 1.13 "Northeast African" which is half SSA (probably something like Somalis.)


ok we are blacker than Hungarians :rolleyes:

[Universe]

No, they say SOME Iberians do, not all.
Same than Hungarian members should do about SSA admiture in Hungary, if you were honest.


ok we are blacker than Hungarians :rolleyes:
Few hungarian individuals score SSA in substantial amount, avarage is what matters. Hungarian avarage is noise level SSA, same as every part of Europe. Iberians get more than that.
On the other hand, Hungarian score more Mongoloid than Spaniards and other Europeans (we score 1-2% mongoloid like Iberian score 1-2 % ssa). So if you want to tell me "But you have non-white dna too" then I think you should focus on our mongoloid admixture which is factual, unlike our supposed ssa.

[Cristiano viejo]

Few hungarian individuals score SSA in substantial amount, avarage is what matters. Hungarian avarage is noise level SSA, same as every part of Europe.

Cool story and a very good wish of you.

[DarkSecret]

Looks Yemenite to me. Dark east med-pontid.