Do Hungarians have minor SSA blood?

[Cristiano viejo]

Since it is detected in a lot of dna tests

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?316125-Hungarians-post-your-K13-K15
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?322006-The-most-ultimate-Hungarian-K13-database-thus-far
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329729-Hungarian-gedmatch-result-Universe-s-gedmatch-relatives
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342587-Hungarian-MDLP-K16-results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319438-Transylvanian-Romanian-GEDmatch-Results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?305529-Hungarian-friend-Myheritage-Photos

[Jaromir]

not even close, they live far from Iberian Peninsula

[Axios]

Probably noise, i also score Siberian, Shetland,Basque etc. doesnt really mean i have that.

[Cristiano viejo]

not even close, they live far from Iberian Peninsula

But they have had tons of Jews, who for sure it is the cause they score their minor SSA.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I know this thread is a CV's backlash towards the other thread Universe did (which no other Iberian member had a problem with) but to be fair many of these Hungarian samples do score more SSA than I do on K13 and K15. I score 0.43% SSA on K13 and 0% on K15.

[Cristiano viejo]

I know this thread is a CV's backlash towards the other thread Universe did (which no other Iberian member had a problem with) but to be fair many of these Hungarian samples do score more SSA than I do on K13 and K15. I score 0.43% SSA on K13 and 0% on K15.

Yep, many of them score higher than you

https://i.imgur.com/kJpgOgQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/6OlnDS6.png

https://i.imgur.com/DNXDIPf.png

https://i.imgur.com/KEGOylN.png

Etc

[Scandal]

I know this thread is a CV's backlash towards the other thread Universe did (which no other Iberian member had a problem with) but to be fair many of these Hungarian samples do score more SSA than I do on K13 and K15. I score 0.43% SSA on K13 and 0% on K15.
Individuals are individuals. The hungarian avarage on vahaduo k13(based on 400 individuals from every region) is 0.2% SSA + 0.15% Northeast_african (Northeast african is like half SSA). Similar noise levels are present everywhere in Europe.
Spanish SSA on the same calculator is over 1% (when you add Northeast-african too ssa).
Anyway, I don't see a problem with it, it's a very minor admixture and doesn't mean much. Spaniards have more neanderthal admixture than SSA. We Hungarians have like 2% Siberian+Amerindian+East_asian on avarage which is not white admixture and I acknowledge that.
I opened the thread because in another thread there was a heated debate whether Spaniards have SSA admix or not. : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?344391-Classify-Israeli-from-Sephardic-Jew-background-Dor-Peretz

[pajkosbalna]

Im not an expert but i would consider it as noise

[Scandal]

Yep, many of them score higher than you
...
Spanish SSA avarage on the same calculator is more than 1%. Hungarian is between 0.2 and 0.3%.
You were obviously offended by the thread, but that wasn't my intention. I don't have a problem with you saying we've a minor asian admixture (because we do have it)
You can check the avarages yourself on the vahaduo. (no registration or anything needed)

[Hamilcar]

Spanish SSA avarage on the same calculator is more than 1%. Hungarian is like 0.3%.
You were obviously offended by the thread, but that wasn't my intention. I don't have a problem with you saying we've a minor asian admixture (because we do have it)
You can check the avarages yourself on the vahaduo. (no registration or anything needed)

Why are you trying to discuss with insecure people like them ? Don't waste your time mate it doesn't change the fact that iberians have the whole parasite package : NA + levantine + SSA while hungarians clearly don't have such levels of non-european ancestry.

[Axios]

Why are you trying to discuss with insecure people like them ? Don't waste your time mate it doesn't change the fact that iberians have the whole parasite package : NA + levantine + SSA while hungarians clearly don't have such levels of non-european ancestry.

SSA vs average antrothard user

https://sm.ign.com/ign_es/screenshot/default/venom-pelicula_rbrk.jpg

[Defcon2]

Why are you trying to discuss with insecure people like them ? Don't waste your time mate it doesn't change the fact that iberians have the whole parasite package : NA + levantine + SSA while hungarians clearly don't have such levels of non-european ancestry.

Stop trolling, we don't have SSA, look at my result:

https://i.imgur.com/AY3iptu.png

But South Asian is noise :rolleyes:

[Axios]

Stop trolling, we don't have SSA, look at my result:

https://i.imgur.com/AY3iptu.png

But South Asian is noise :rolleyes:

What calculator is that?

[Defcon2]

What calculator is that?

K13 of Gedmatch.

[Axios]

K13 of Gedmatch.

Maybe yours is also ancient SSA like north africans? i have 5,71% SSA on k13.

[Scandal]

Maybe yours is also ancient SSA like north africans? i have 5,71% SSA on k13.
What is your northeaast african % ? It's like half ssa.

[Defcon2]

Maybe yours is also ancient SSA like north africans? i have 5,71% SSA on k13.

No idea, but it is a bad calculator for those some percentage of North African ancestry, as there were no Berber / North African samples available at the time that calculator was created.

[Petalpusher]

If anything Hungarians have minor ASE, comparable to the minor SSA of Iberians.

Now kiss each others.

[Pine]

Maybe yours is also ancient SSA like north africans? i have 5,71% SSA on k13.

All of it can't be ancient. Look at his Y-DNA.

[Scandal]

If anything Hungarians have minor ASE, comparable to the minor SSA of Iberians.

Now kiss each others.
What does ase stand for

[Axios]

What is your northeaast african % ? It's like half ssa.

If we count my northeast african (11.4) then i'm like 10%? SSA. There are still debates about norteast african being half SSA or whatever that is. But it is known that the SSA from north africans is ancient.

[Axios]

No idea, but it is a bad calculator for those some percentage of North African ancestry, as there were no old Berber / North African samples available at the time that calculator was created.

I know, hence why i take with a grain of salt all these calculators, i dont think i have that much SSA neither the weird north european percentages i have in G25.

[Axios]

All of it can't be ancient. Look at his Y-DNA.

I don't really know much about YDNA, is his E1b the same as E-M81 from north africans?

[gixajo]

Spanish SSA avarage on the same calculator is more than 1%. Hungarian is between 0.2 and 0.3%.
You were obviously offended by the thread, but that wasn't my intention. I don't have a problem with you saying we've a minor asian admixture (because we do have it)
You can check the avarages yourself on the vahaduo. (no registration or anything needed)

Official references of K13:


Spanish_Andalucia 39.07 8.19 29.07 3.83 14.11 1.95 0.60 0.29 0.63 0.02 0.40 1.28 0.57
Spanish_Aragon 43.83 8.27 29.79 1.32 12.05 2.37 0.40 0.25 0.50 0.32 0.39 0.46 0.04
Spanish_Cantabria 41.79 11.49 29.27 1.75 10.20 2.37 0.45 0.03 0.13 0.49 0.47 0.80 0.75
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 41.09 9.37 28.52 2.72 12.42 2.88 0.47 0.22 0.21 0.31 0.08 1.42 0.29
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 40.76 11.13 26.09 1.86 12.82 3.49 0.04 0.51 0.05 0.28 0.18 2.01 0.78
Spanish_Cataluna 41.36 12.13 25.78 3.08 13.09 1.51 0.69 0.59 0.06 0.06 0.43 0.45 0.77
Spanish_Extremadura 38.27 9.67 26.84 3.32 13.73 4.26 0.65 0.00 0.00 0.62 0.20 1.23 1.22
Spanish_Galicia 38.51 12.18 26.23 1.97 11.93 4.55 1.49 0.36 0.22 0.14 0.00 1.26 1.16
Spanish_Murcia 40.15 9.33 26.12 2.21 14.57 2.92 0.21 0.88 0.67 0.60 0.11 1.44 0.78
Spanish_Valencia 40.54 10.58 27.72 1.90 14.85 1.32 0.88 0.29 0.04 0.41 0.50 0.31 0.65

So no, Spanish average cannot be more than 1%.

Anyway, Orcadian in that datasheet has 0.20%, North German 0.17%, Lithuanian 0.22%, Finnish 0.26%, East FInnish 0.37% so we can guess that that percentage doesn´t show a real SSA ancestry, but simply a component labelled that way to point that peaks in people related with SSA.

Hungarians show just 0.02%.

Are you comparing the references from a datasheet made by users here?

Many users use Oracle's percentages to make their references, which tend to neglect small percentages, and if you have 0.89% in a component, it will show 0%, because they do not know that they have to use the percentages of the first result, or because it bothers them to see that they score something on the SSA.

I hope that the users who have made those references, have not been so clumsy as to falsify the authentic percentage of the real means, minimizing the SSA component due to a stupid question of prejudices, because the result will be that the Hungarians who use their real coordinates, will score higher in SSA.

We are trying to renew the Spanish references, and I do not intend to falsify anything, what comes out will come out.
I am not going to eliminate individuals (as I have read that some do when making these references to their countries) because they have more SSA or more East Mediterranean than the official average.

That is not a rigorous criterion (at least on its own).

And to finish, of course the Spanish have higher this component than the Hungarians in K13.

By the way, where is your compatriot Chris? I miss him, I hope everything goes well for him.

And...Cristiano Viejo, deja de tocar los cojones a todo el mundo!!!

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

"Muh ancient 20% North African SSA ancestry"

Funny to see the Moors claiming we have the whole "parasite" package while simultaneously denying or underestimating their SSA ancestry. All it takes is a mere glimpse on any academic paper to discover that "muh ancient SSA" ranges between 10% to 30%.

[Axios]

Official references of K13:



So no, Spanish average cannot be more than 1%.

Anyway, Orcadian in that datasheet has 0.20%, North German 0.17%, Lithuanian 0.22%, Finnish 0.26%, East FInnish 0.37% so we can guess that that percentage doesn´t show a real SSA ancestry, but simply a component labelled that way to point that peaks in people related with SSA.

Hungarians show just 0.02%.

Are you comparing the references from a datasheet made by users here?

Many users use Oracle's percentages to make their references, which tend to neglect small percentages, and if you have 0.89% in a component, it will show 0%, because they do not know that they have to use the percentages of the first result, or because it bothers them to see that they score something on the SSA.

I hope that the users who have made those references, have not been so clumsy as to falsify the authentic percentage of the real means, minimizing the SSA component due to a stupid question of prejudices, because the result will be that the Hungarians who use their real coordinates, will score higher in SSA.

We are trying to renew the Spanish references, and I do not intend to falsify anything, what comes out will come out.
I am not going to eliminate individuals (as I have read that some do when making these references to their countries) because they have more SSA or more East Mediterranean than the official average.

That is not a rigorous criterion (at least on its own).

And to finish, of course the Spanish have higher this component than the Hungarians in K13.

By the way, where is your compatriot Chris? I miss him, I hope everything goes well for him.

And...Cristiano Viejo, deja de tocar los cojones a todo el mundo!!!

Spanish arrogance like he said, i even got some of that after many years living here :D

[Scandal]

Official references of K13:



So no, Spanish average cannot be more than 1%.

Anyway, Orcadian in that datasheet has 0.20%, North German 0.17%, Lithuanian 0.22%, Finnish 0.26%, East FInnish 0.37% so we can guess that that percentage doesn´t show a real SSA ancestry, but simply a component labelled that way to point that peaks in people related with SSA.

Hungarians show just 0.02%.

Are you comparing the references from a datasheet made by users here?

Many users use Oracle's percentages to make their references, which tend to neglect small percentages, and if you have 0.89% in a component, it will show 0%, because they do not know that they have to use the percentages of the first result, or because it bothers them to see that they score something on the SSA.

I hope that the users who have made those references, have not been so clumsy as to falsify the authentic percentage of the real means, minimizing the SSA component due to a stupid question of prejudices, because the result will be that the Hungarians who use their real coordinates, will score higher in SSA.

We are trying to renew the Spanish references, and I do not intend to falsify anything, what comes out will come out.
I am not going to eliminate individuals (as I have read that some do when making these references to their countries) because they have more SSA or more East Mediterranean than the official average.

That is not a rigorous criterion (at least on its own).

And to finish, of course the Spanish have higher this component than the Hungarians in K13.

By the way, where is your compatriot Chris? I miss him, I hope everything goes well for him.

And...Cristiano Viejo, deja de tocar los cojones a todo el mundo!!!

Spanish,40.45,10.02,27.74,2.32,12.96,2.9,0.58,0.31 ,0.27,0.35,0.26,1.13,0.69
I just copied that from vahaduo k13 updated, isn't that the spanish avarage?
Northeast african is around half ssa btw.

[Axios]

"Muh ancient 20% North African SSA ancestry"

Funny to see the Moors claiming we have the whole "parasite" package while simultaneously denying or underestimating their SSA ancestry. All it takes is a mere glimpse on any academic paper to discover that "muh ancient SSA" ranges between 10% to 30%.

First of all don't speak in my name because i never said that, also you better chill. SSA from NAs tends to be overestimated aswell and that is true, it has already ben debunked many times that this SSA comes from recent slavery trade. I never denied my SSA, i just don't think its that high using my common sense, i'd look totally different and so would my family. It's funny, y'all can talk shit about us but we can't.

[Hamilcar]

If anything Hungarians have minor ASE, comparable to the minor SSA of Iberians.

Now kiss each others.

hungarians don't have additional north african and levantine admixture...

now spit on them

[Luso]

Stop trolling, we don't have SSA, look at my result:

https://i.imgur.com/AY3iptu.png

But South Asian is noise :rolleyes:

You may have higher SSA, but my NA is higher and some other interesting specs of components so that's the compensation.

https://i.imgur.com/xyrLGXo.png

[Petalpusher]

It's incredibly difficult to tell where the SSA comes from exactly, either east or west, because it's basically the same thing in different locations and we lack more localized ancient samples. It's like trying to tell you where your WHG comes from, is it from Villabruna in Italy, Bichon in Switzerland or Loschbour in Luxembourg or even elsewhere, pretty much impossible to tell since autosomally they cluster together as much as related peoples. Unless you try IBD and some other tricks on top of each others. This doesn't change how much WHG you are but to find exactly where it came from, good luck with that (not that it really matters anyway)

North East Africa is basically Horner like, there s definetly SSA in there, around 50% as commonly accepted in these populations. The calculator might try to fit this component more in some case, since they are also half "ancient caucasian", so they share something ancient with Eurasians.

[Axios]

It's incredibly difficult to tell where the SSA comes from exactly, either east or west, because it's basically the same thing in different locations. It's like trying to tell you where your WHG comes from, is it from Villabruna in Italy, Bichon in Switzerland or Loschbour in Luxembourg or even elsewhere, pretty much impossible to tell since autosomally they cluster together as much as related peoples. Unless you try IBD and some other tricks on top of each others.

North East Africa is basically Horner like, there s definetly SSA in there, around 50% as commonly accepted in these populations. The calculator might try to fit this component more in some case, since they are also half "ancient caucasian", so they share something ancient with Eurasians.

But this calculators were made when they didn't have as much samples.

[FinalFlash]

I'm no geneticist but I'd wager that whatever miniscule SSA that they may score is just a bunch of noise. East Asian admix is likely to be more relevant and even then I couldn't imagine that this makes up any significant amount of their aDNA.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

First of all don't speak in my name because i never said that, also you better chill. SSA from NAs tends to be overestimated aswell and that is true, it has already ben debunked many times that this SSA comes from recent slavery trade. I never denied my SSA, i just don't think its that high using my common sense, i'd look totally different and so would my family. It's funny, y'all can talk shit about us but we can't.

Everything that you said is just wishful projection and bro-science. Don't get mad at me, complain instead with the geneticists that put Moroccans on a 10% to 30% Sub-Saharan range. Also, what's the difference between so called "ancient SSA" and just plain "regular" SSA? Does it become "less" SSA because it is supposedly "ancient"?

https://i.imgur.com/zSI65y4.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/MvVAo3y.png

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-990b922bba92176c2f8c73e45e2064f6

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c9b94e8e0eeafa810bad21577aeb5563

[Pine]

I don't really know much about YDNA, is his E1b the same as E-M81 from north africans?

No

[Axios]

Everything that you said is just wishful projection and bro-science. Don't get mad at me, complain instead with the geneticists that put Moroccans on a 10% to 30% Sub-Saharan range. Also, what's the difference between so called "ancient SSA" and just plain "regular" SSA? Does it become "less" SSA because it is supposedly "ancient"?

https://i.imgu

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I'm mad at you because you putted words that i didn't say, it is you who wants to start a dumb fight. If i think that all this calculators are not 100% accurate and more samples are needed you don't fucking have any right to tell me otherwise. Tell me which year are those screenshots from, because i only see Quora sources (very reliable indeed :laugh:). That being said i never denied myself having SSA.

[Dick]

Hung aryans


https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/1d3/703/5f09c3b25c8a9619e829f0cae3e39750c1-02-penis-sizes.jpg

[Leto]

Northeast african is around half ssa btw.
It's mostly nibber from my observation. Maybe well over 50%.

Anyway, I'm not participating in trolling tonight.

[Pine]

I'm no geneticist but I'd wager that whatever miniscule SSA that they may score is just a bunch of noise. East Asian admix is likely to be more relevant and even then I couldn't imagine that this makes up any significant amount of their aDNA.

E1b1a in Iberia means it's not a bunch of noise.

[Jana]

Ofcourse not. But many Hungarians score genuine minor mongoloid and/or south Asian ancestry.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I'm mad at you because you putted words that i didn't say, it is you who wants to start a dumb fight. If i think that all this calculators are not 100% accurate and more samples are needed you don't fucking have any right to tell me otherwise. Tell me which year are those screenshots from, because i only see Quora sources (very reliable indeed :laugh:). That being said i never denied myself having SSA.

Yes, all this data was created by Quora pseudo-geneticists with the only purpose to annoy insecure Moroccans :picard1:

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1002397
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27744413/
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6388/548

[Petalpusher]

But this calculators were made when they didn't have as much samples.

K13? We had enough samples for deciphering African and non African that's for sure, it's easiest and most basic thing to do, a K2 run. Also comparing with East Asians, that's the 3 most distant/removed components from each others. If we can tell what's what from those 3, then we can't do anything, let alone tell from great to awesome accuracy what someone ancestry is with a drop of saliva.

The rest is zooming to an extreme into the ancient samples of Europe and finding intermediates of Eurasian through times and space, so it appears to be a clusterfuck in Europe but that would be the same elsewhere if studied and researched to the same extent. Ancient Africa and East Eurasia is less studied (20 000 years old bones in these regions are in general in worse conditions too so more difficult extract for quality samples), but not anywhere to the point we can't tell what's SSA and what's not, you only need modern samples anyway for that.

[Jana]

Yep, many of them score higher than you

https://i.imgur.com/kJpgOgQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/6OlnDS6.png

https://i.imgur.com/DNXDIPf.png

https://i.imgur.com/KEGOylN.png

Etc

Is this a joke? Only two samples scores above 1% SSA (which is border for noise IMO). Ofcourse Hungarians have nil SSA.
Only people in Hungary who can get minor SSA are Jews or Jewish admixed persons.

[Axios]

Yes, all this data was created by Quora pseudo-geneticists with the only purpose to annoy insecure Moroccans :picard1:

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1002397
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27744413/
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6388/548

How i am insecure? i already told you i never denied i have SSA, just that i think its not that high, and neither the weird percentages of Basque, Siberian, WHG, North Sea etc i score are true either, what the fuck is wrong with you? do you have eyes? and again, who the fuck you think you are to tell me what i have to believe?


If we count my northeast african (11.4) then i'm like 10%? SSA. There are still debates about norteast african being half SSA or whatever that is. But it is known that the SSA from north africans is ancient.

[Jana]

What does ase stand for

Ancestral South Eurasian (Indian/Weddoid like stuff...)

[gixajo]

Spanish arrogance like he said, i even got some of that after many years living here :D

Everybody has arrogance, but his own and individual arrogance, Cristiano Viejo represents himself, not all Spanish, we each have our own opinion.

On some issues I can agree with him, and I cannot criticize him for being sensitive to the attacks that we as a group usually suffer in this forum, but I can disagree in his way of defending us.

His way of defending us, usually causes us more enemies than allies.

Although we must also admit, that sometimes, it is quite funny in his posting style.:)

[gixajo]

Doble.

[Axios]

Everybody has arrogance, but his own and individual arrogance, Cristiano Viejo represents himself, not all Spanish, we each have our own opinion.

On some issues I can agree with him, and I cannot criticize him for being sensitive to the attacks that we as a group usually suffer in this forum, but I can disagree in his way of defending us.

His way of defending us, usually causes us more enemies than allies.

Although we must also admit, that sometimes, it is quite funny in his posting style.:)

No, si más bien lo decía como un halago. Es un carácter que muchas veces es admirable, (salvo cuando te pones demasiado perro).

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

How i am insecure? i already told you i never denied i have SSA, just that i think its not that high, and neither the weird percentages of Basque, Siberian, WHG, North Sea etc i score are true either, what the fuck is wrong with you? do you have eyes? and again, who the fuck you think you are to tell me what i have to believe?

Hahahaha, damn. I am talking with someone completely illiterate on the subject, I should have known. Yeah, you don't have WHG, SSA, EEF, Steppe, etc, you are made of air. And who has the authority or the audacity to say otherwise? Alright, I guess with such solid arguments I have to quit the debate. You win.

[Parça do Neymar]

Did you get triggered by the other thread, old man?

SSA in Hungarians (as a whole ethnicity) is most likely noise, unlike their minor East Eurasian.

[Axios]

Hahahaha, damn. I am talking with someone completely illiterate on the subject, I should have known. Yeah, you don't have WHG, SSA, EEF, Steppe, etc, you are made of air. And who has the authority or the audacity to say otherwise? Alright, I guess with such solid arguments I have to quit the debate. You win.

I always took these calculators to more or less get the idea of where my ancestors come from, if something is odd i take it with a grain of salt, you are no one to tell me what i should believe. It is you who for some reason putted words in my mouth that i never said to start a retarded fight, thinking i deny SSA because its negroid or something, i also denied the north european admixture yet i dont see you mentioning that. You mocked me, called me a moor (probably trying to offend me like CV), yet im the idiot here?


"Muh ancient 20% North African SSA ancestry"

Funny to see the Moors claiming we have the whole "parasite" package while simultaneously denying or underestimating their SSA ancestry. All it takes is a mere glimpse on any academic paper to discover that "muh ancient SSA" ranges between 10% to 30%.

The parasite thing, i never said that, i guess Hamilcar used the word parasite because most useres here despise SSA, yet you use the plural "moors" in a way it sounds you're trying to mock us, then you proceed to overestimate our SSA because you think i'm insecure. Seems like you're in a period.

[gixajo]

No, si más bien lo decía como un halago. Es un carácter que muchas veces es admirable, (salvo cuando te pones demasiado perro).

Hay que reconocer que a veces, el cabrón tiene gracia.;)

And same than to your compatriot in origins Nassbean, defends his people and shows pride in belonging to his group.

[Pine]

Is this a joke? Only two samples scores above 1% SSA (which is border for noise IMO). Ofcourse Hungarians have nil SSA.
Only people in Hungary who can get minor SSA are Jews or Jewish admixed persons.

There is a small amount of E1b1a in Croatia.

[Jana]

There is a small amount of E1b1a in Croatia.

Never saw person with that and I'm member of Croatian FTDNA project. But I wouldn't be shocked if there were, we are on the Adriatic coast after all.

[Hamilcar]

I'm no geneticist but I'd wager that whatever miniscule SSA that they may score is just a bunch of noise. East Asian admix is likely to be more relevant and even then I couldn't imagine that this makes up any significant amount of their aDNA.

that's not what the studies say

[Cristiano viejo]

Please no more people telling me Hungarians have Asian and Gypsy (which also is Asian) admixture, I could not care less since I am focusing on their SSA. Perhaps in other thread, not in this.

@stearsolina
can you post for me the link where any reputed scientist say less than 1% is noise? :rolleyes:

@gixajo, my bald
¿que deje de tocar los cojones, dices? cuando ha sido ese húngaro el que abrió el thread sobre los españoles :picard1:

[JamesBond007]

Yep, many of them score higher than you

https://i.imgur.com/kJpgOgQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/6OlnDS6.png

https://i.imgur.com/DNXDIPf.png

https://i.imgur.com/KEGOylN.png

Etc

So, you are basing this on amateur Polack (polish) science ? :lol:

[Mingle]

K13 sometimes inflates some minor admixtures. I myself get 1.09% SSA. Similar story with K15 where I get 0.93% SSA. Of course none of it is real. One or two Hungarians getting a tiny 1% (when the overall average is low) means nothing. If you have to troll Hungarians, then bringing up their South Eurasian makes more sense, which is probably 0-0.5%.

The amount of SSA Hungarians get is probably similar or less than the amount of East Asian that Spaniards get.

[Cristiano viejo]

So, you are basing this on amateur Polack (polish) science ? :lol:

In fact is a compilation the Hungarian user Dunai made about all the Hungarian samples he got, my dear Jimmy.

[Cristiano viejo]

K13 sometimes inflates some minor admixtures. I myself get 1.09% SSA. Similar story with K15 where I get 0.93% SSA. Of course none of it is real. One or two Hungarians getting a tiny 1% (when the overall average is low) means nothing. If you have to troll Hungarians, then bringing up their South Eurasian makes more sense, which is probably 0-0.5%.

The amount of SSA Hungarians get is probably similar or less than the amount of East Asian that Spaniards get.
From where do you get it is not real, tell me.

[TheMaestro]

Don't remember that it was named Al-Hungarus, so probably not. But Karaboga genes maybe.

[Cristiano viejo]

Don't remember that it was named Al-Hungarus, so probably not. But Karaboga genes maybe.

So as its REAL name is Magyaroszag, that means Hungarians are Huns/Turks, true?

[JamesBond007]

From where do you get it is not real, tell me.

1.) K13 was made by Davidski an amateur non-academic blogger so should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

2.) Generally with these kinds of calculators anything under 1% should be taken as possible statistical noise

[Axios]

Don't remember that it was named Al-Hungarus, so probably not. But Karaboga genes maybe.Arent you E-V13?

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[Cristiano viejo]

2.) Generally with these kinds of calculators anything under 1% should be taken as possible statistical noise
I love when people say this as if had to be true :rolleyes:


Arent you E-V13?

Tocado y hundido :lol:

[TheMaestro]

Arent you E-V13?

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What has my African Y-DNA do with Hungarians?

[Axios]

What has my African Y-DNA do with Hungarians?Idk, you seem to mock al andalus/trying to darkwash spain so i thought you was hungarian.

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[Cristiano viejo]

What has my African Y-DNA do with Hungarians?

You are half Hungarian.

[TheMaestro]

So as its REAL name is Magyaroszag, that means Hungarians are Huns/Turks, true?

https://voca.ro/17lLXHQ54uwU

[Cristiano viejo]

https://voca.ro/17lLXHQ54uwU
:zzz

[TheMaestro]

You are half Hungarian.

My African YDNA is not from Hungarians, but nice try.

[Cristiano viejo]

My African YDNA is not from Hungarians, but nice try.

Are not Slovaks Hungarians in denial?

[TheMaestro]

Are not Slovaks Hungarians in denial?

In what sense.

[Cristiano viejo]

In what sense.

Are not they the same people but just separated?

[TheMaestro]

Are not they the same people but just separated?

Not really, although probably one of closest. Both alien languages to each other, both completely different history. Also Slovaks were peasants at times for Hungarians.
And Slovaks are more Slavic and northern shifted, but not that much.

[TheMaestro]

Idk, you seem to mock al andalus/trying to darkwash spain so i thought you was hungarian.

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Troll thread reaction to universe's thread, troll comment, since 2013 you're here, still much to learn pal.

[Axios]

Troll thread reaction to universe's thread, troll comment, since 2013 you're here, still much to learn pal.You never know when anthro guys are serious. Italicroots for example.

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[Cristiano viejo]

Troll thread reaction to universe's thread, troll comment, since 2013 you're here, still much to learn pal.

Not troll thread but legit. If you call us niggers for some minuscule traces, let get back the appellative since Hungarians also score these traces, even if smaller.
Plus, how people can deny Hungarians are blacks? look their member of the National Assembly of Hungary Olivio Kocsis, is people blind? :heh:

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/CDAD/production/_101935625_hungarykocsiscake16x9.png

[RicoSuave]

Not troll thread but legit. If you call us niggers for some minuscule traces, let get back the appellative since Hungarians also score these traces, even if smaller.
Plus, how people can deny Hungarians are blacks? look their member of the National Assembly of Hungary Olivio Kocsis, is people blind? :heh:

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/CDAD/production/_101935625_hungarykocsiscake16x9.png

What you trying know about the Magyars?!

[Blondie]

Not troll thread but legit. If you call us niggers for some minuscule traces, let get back the appellative since Hungarians also score these traces, even if smaller.
Plus, how people can deny Hungarians are blacks? look their member of the National Assembly of Hungary Olivio Kocsis, is people blind? :heh:

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/CDAD/production/_101935625_hungarykocsiscake16x9.png

He is half black, not pure hungarian. His father came from Africa.

[Scandal]

Idk, you seem to mock al andalus/trying to darkwash spain so i thought you was hungarian.

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You are half Hungarian.
His paternal line is Albanian, his maternal line is ethnic Hungarian from Slovakia. So his Y-dna isn't from Hungarians, but it exists among us. Fuck y-dna btw, it's very distant and very minor admixture. We have all types of y-dna but all of us are simply hungarians at the end of the day.

[Scandal]

You may have higher SSA, but my NA is higher and some other interesting specs of components so that's the compensation.

https://i.imgur.com/xyrLGXo.png
"Northeast_African" isn't NA/North African, it's mulatto dna like that of Somalis. So you're around 3% SSA on k13. (1+4/2=3)

[Dunai]

Hungarians as a whole, like any other Europeans have noise levels of SSA, from over 400 samples the average is 0.15%, for example most Western and North Europeans have little bit more if you look up the national averages, but clearly these figures are all in the noise area. A thread with the sole purpose of cheap trolling, nothing else.

[Cristiano viejo]

Hungarians as a whole, like any other Europeans have noise levels of SSA, from over 400 samples the average is 0.15%, for example most Western and North Europeans have little bit more if you look up the national averages, but clearly these figures are all in the noise area. A thread with the sole purpose of cheap trolling, nothing else.

Noise level = I invent this term to convince myself it is not true.

Dont kill the messager, Dunai. It was yourself who posted these stats.

[Dunai]

Noise level = I invent this term to convince myself it is not true.

Dont kill the messager, Dunai. It was yourself who posted these stats.

What a slimey answer. Curious that you haven't started any thread about "how come nation x,y,z have minor SSA admixture" even if these following ones have statistically "larger" percentage of SSA than Hungarians with 0.15. Your agenda stinks from a mile:
- Swedish 0.23
- Danish 0.17
- Finnish, 0.26
- English, 0.19
- Dutch, 0.30
- Polish, 0.28
- Lithuanian, 0.22
- Russian, 0.31
- Ukrainian, 0.27
- Latvian, 0.22
- Slovak, 0.21
etc.

What you really don't seem to comprehend that on such calculators results under 0.5%, but even under 1% are mostly noise and barely influence the rest of the 99%+ admixture.

[Cristiano viejo]

What a slimey answer. Curious that you haven't started any thread about "how come nation x,y,z have minor SSA admixture" even if these following ones have statistically "larger" percentage of SSA than Hungarians with 0.15. Your agenda stinks from a mile:
- Swedish 0.23
- Danish 0.17
- Finnish, 0.26
- English, 0.19
- Dutch, 0.30
- Polish, 0.28
- Lithuanian, 0.22
- Russian, 0.31
- Ukrainian, 0.27
- Latvian, 0.22
- Slovak, 0.21
etc.
The day a Swede trolls Spaniards I will do, dont worry.

[Scandal]

The day a Swede trolls Spaniards I will do, dont worry.
My thread wasn't a troll thread though.

[Benyzero]

Not minor, Iam positive that Im atleast half SSA

[Benyzero]

not even close, they live far from Iberian Peninsula

lmao

[Kökény]

Not minor, Iam positive that Im atleast half SSA
Glad I'm not the only one.

[Grace O'Malley]

Us "real Celts" don't have any SSA but where's the Amerindian from? :)

https://i.imgur.com/v6ZeqI7.png

[J. Ketch]

Us "real Celts" don't have any SSA but where's the Amerindian from? :)

https://i.imgur.com/v6ZeqI7.png
Ahem. I have 0.75% nigger, but I attribute that to the Spanish Armada that washed up on the Irish coast.

1 North_Atlantic 53.96
2 Baltic 24.43
3 West_Med 11.35
4 West_Asian 4.87
5 East_Med 2.57
6 South_Asian 1.3
7 Sub-Saharan 0.75
8 Amerindian 0.45
9 Siberian 0.31

[Grace O'Malley]

Ahem. I have 0.75% nigger, but I attribute that to the Spanish Armada that washed up on the Irish coast.

1 North_Atlantic 53.96
2 Baltic 24.43
3 West_Med 11.35
4 West_Asian 4.87
5 East_Med 2.57
6 South_Asian 1.3
7 Sub-Saharan 0.75
8 Amerindian 0.45
9 Siberian 0.31

K15 and still have the Amerindian.

https://i.imgur.com/qN7nswk.png

[J. Ketch]

K15 and still have the Amerindian.

https://i.imgur.com/qN7nswk.png
More than Elizabeth Warren and our resident native American Richmondbread.

[Scandal]

K15 and still have the Amerindian.

https://i.imgur.com/qN7nswk.png
It could be because of the imperfections of these calculators. I've seen that mysterious amerindian pop in people from every part of Europe. I think it's not real admixture but ANE or some Mong stuff misinterpreted as amerindian.

[Grace O'Malley]

More than Elizabeth Warren and our resident native American Richmondbread.

My daughter beats me.

https://i.imgur.com/A8JjpzN.png

She comes out with this on the 2 way mix.

6 98.9% Southwest_English + 1.1% Karitiana @ 1.85
7 98.7% Southwest_English + 1.3% North_Amerindian @ 1.85
8 98.8% Southwest_English + 1.2% Pima @ 1.86
9 98.8% Southwest_English + 1.2% Mayan @ 1.87
14 98.7% Southwest_English + 1.3% East_Greenlander @ 2
15 98.7% Southwest_English + 1.3% West_Greenlander @ 2.06

[Axios]

K15 and still have the Amerindian.

https://i.imgur.com/qN7nswk.pngI also have amerindian. This is all probably noise. This calculators are not 100% accurate

https://i.ibb.co/BKQrMXc/k15.jpg

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[Grace O'Malley]

I also have amerindian. This is all probably noise. This calculators are not 100% accurate

https://i.ibb.co/BKQrMXc/k15.jpg

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Yes it's obviously not real but it does appear to be higher in Irish people. Obviously something Siberian like and old.

[Defcon2]

Ahem. I have 0.75% nigger, but I attribute that to the Spanish Armada that washed up on the Irish coast.

1 North_Atlantic 53.96
2 Baltic 24.43
3 West_Med 11.35
4 West_Asian 4.87
5 East_Med 2.57
6 South_Asian 1.3
7 Sub-Saharan 0.75
8 Amerindian 0.45
9 Siberian 0.31

Some of them seem to be also gypsies (I say that because of that 1.3 South Asia)

[Scandal]

Some of them seem to be also gypsies (I say that because of that 1.3 South Asia)
I think it's possible his South Asian is ancient admix from Yamnaya, not indian/gypsy per se. I've seen that SA score in many individuals who didn't have anything in their genealogy or in their country's history to explain that admixture.
Yamnaya was 4-5% South asian according to this spreadsheet : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml
Some individuals inherited more of that south asian yamnaya stuff some less, others didn't inherit it at all.

[Petalpusher]

Yes it's from Yamnaya in most cases, and in the bigger picture, the ANE connection between Europeans and Amerindians. Amerindians are roughly half ANE, while Europeans are more in the range of 10-20% ANE. Mid Eurasia tends to be high too.

[Grace O'Malley]

Amerindian shows up in most calcs for me. Very trace in this one though.

https://i.imgur.com/BInn7a1.png

[Petalpusher]

My daughter beats me.

https://i.imgur.com/A8JjpzN.png


Mine would have been the most borring K13 if it wasn't for the Siberian. It's like every little admix people usually score went into the big N.Atlantic, Baltic or West Med. Don't even score red_sea.

https://i.postimg.cc/kMQnc43t/Capturek13.jpg

[Defcon2]

I think it's possible his South Asian is ancient admix from Yamnaya, not indian/gypsy per se. I've seen that SA score in many individuals who didn't have anything in their genealogy or in their country's history to explain that admixture.
Yamnaya was 4-5% South asian according to this spreadsheet : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml
Some individuals inherited more of that south asian yamnaya stuff some less, others didn't inherit it at all.

What calculator is it based on?

[Cristiano viejo]

I also have amerindian. This is all probably noise. This calculators are not 100% accurate

Yeah it is noise for the rest of the world, but for Spaniards is real :rolleyes:

The amount of excuses I am reading to justify Hungarians score SSA is amazing :D If they score 0,3% in average is noise, if Spaniards score 0,7 is real :D yes makes sense.


Amerindian shows up in most calcs for me.
You should change your nickname to Pocahontas, period.

[Benyzero]

Well its something like turkic admix here, could be present knowing history, but not the rule, same for Spaniards, North african admix is present but not the rule.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah it is noise for the rest of the world, but for Spaniards is real :rolleyes:

The amount of excuses I am reading to justify Hungarians score SSA is amazing :D If they score 0,3% in average is noise, if Spaniards score 0,7 is real :D yes makes sense.


You should change your nickname to Pocahontas, period.

I should try to join the Cherokees. I'm an Indian Princess. :)

[Petalpusher]

Grace Omawnakw

Dayum fine cloud feather

[Petalpusher]

freaking forum

[Grace O'Malley]

Grace Omawnakw

Dayum fine cloud feather

Grace O'MyCrazyWoman - I think that has a good ring and is a bit bad ass as well. :)

[Token]

Genomic data is noisy due to imputation and often inevitable errors in the sequencing process. During the sequencing process, the data is pruned using methods of noise correction, which in itself uses imputation. The output after all of this is a filtered and pruned data that is only an imperfect approximation of the 'real' genome - that is why you have people plotting not perfectly halfway between his parents, for example. If the model used to approximate the data is too tightly fitted ('overfitted'), the model ends up interpreting noise as true information (in the case of genomes, the information are the ancestry proportions), and this is when non-existent South Asian, Amerindian and SSA stuff starts popping up. Unsupervised admixture analysis such as Eurogenes calculators will almost always cause overfitting.

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/pt_br/machine-learning/latest/dg/images/mlconcepts_image5.png

[Scandal]

What calculator is it based on?
Eurogenes k8, it's not free. However you can guess your own score based on the spanish regional avarages.

[Leto]

Mine would have been the most borring K13 if it wasn't for the Siberian. It's like every little admix people usually score went into the big N.Atlantic, Baltic or West Med. Don't even score red_sea.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/kMQnc43t/Capturek13.jpg
Nah, come on, you're very white, almost Northwestern European if it wasn't for the West Med. Are you fully Central French?

[Petalpusher]

Nah, come on, you're very white, almost Northwestern European if it wasn't for the West Med. Are you fully Central French?

Southeast quadrant.


Besides, yes when an admixture is inconsistent, as in fluctuating a lot and low values between individuals, you can investigate it further to check if it's noise or indeed result to some overfitting. But not when it's consistent at integer values and backed up by IBD on top of it.

[Axios]

Yeah it is noise for the rest of the world, but for Spaniards is real :rolleyes:

The amount of excuses I am reading to justify Hungarians score SSA is amazing :D If they score 0,3% in average is noise, if Spaniards score 0,7 is real :D yes makes sense.


You should change your nickname to Pocahontas, period.When did i say its not also for spaniards

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[Leto]

Southeast quadrant.
That's super fucking Northern for SE France. Most unmixed Frenchmen are clearly not Southern European though.

[Cristiano viejo]

When did i say its not also for spaniards


Not you but others, just check the thread :rolleyes:

[Leto]

Besides, yes when an admixture is inconsistent, as in fluctuating a lot and low values between individuals, you can investigate it further to check if it's noise or indeed result to some overfitting. But not when it's consistent at integer values and backed up by IBD on top of it.
Can you also show me your Dodecad K12b? I use it a lot personally.

[Leto]

Besides, yes when an admixture is inconsistent, as in fluctuating a lot and low values between individuals, you can investigate it further to check if it's noise or indeed result to some overfitting. But not when it's consistent at integer values and backed up by IBD on top of it.
Can you also show me your Dodecad K12b? I use it a lot personally.

[Zanzibar]

I also have amerindian. This is all probably noise. This calculators are not 100% accurate

https://i.ibb.co/BKQrMXc/k15.jpg

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Your Siberian is more likely to be real than your Amerindian though. If it is not a noise, I wonder where do you receive East Asian ancestry from. You do look Mongoloid admixed in your profile pic but you might just be squinting eyes lol.

[Axios]

Your Siberian is more likely to be real than your Amerindian though. If it is not a noise, I wonder where do you receive East Asian ancestry from. You do look Mongoloid admixed in your profile pic but you might just be squinting eyes lol.

I had my eyes closed because the sun, you can see how i look here before the server autodeletes the pic:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?42706-Members-Pictures-Thread-II/page2365&p=7154966#post7154966

[Avgvstvs]

Us "real Celts" don't have any SSA but where's the Amerindian from? :)

https://i.imgur.com/v6ZeqI7.pngI also get 0 ssa but o.something amerindian, that's weird...

But I am not celt of course.

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[Petalpusher]

That's not as weird as people think. Amerindians were living in the middle of Eurasia before they moved to America. If they were still living in Eurasia, nobody would find it strange to score 1% of them, just like Siberian or actually it's much less "weird" for an old world European to score Amerindian than East Asian, SSA, South Asian or Oceanian. Amerindians were the original ANE people before they mixed further on their path to America with East Asians. They are an Eurasian population, today we just assimilate them mentally to another continent.

[Rethel]

Since it is detected in a lot of dna tests

Do you want to join the club of anti-hungarians? :laugh:

[cakmir7y]

Genomic data is noisy due to imputation and often inevitable errors in the sequencing process. During the sequencing process, the data is pruned using methods of noise correction, which in itself uses imputation. The output after all of this is a filtered and pruned data that is only an imperfect approximation of the 'real' genome - that is why you have people plotting not perfectly halfway between his parents, for example. If the model used to approximate the data is too tightly fitted ('overfitted'), the model ends up interpreting noise as true information (in the case of genomes, the information are the ancestry proportions), and this is when non-existent South Asian, Amerindian and SSA stuff starts popping up. Unsupervised admixture analysis such as Eurogenes calculators will almost always cause overfitting.

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/pt_br/machine-learning/latest/dg/images/mlconcepts_image5.png

Your voice of reason will most likely be lost in this thread.

[Defcon2]

That's not as weird as people think. Amerindians were living in the middle of Eurasia before they moved to America. If they were still living in Eurasia, nobody would find it strange to score 1% of them, just like Siberian or actually it's much less "weird" for an old world European to score Amerindian than East Asian, SSA, South Asian or Oceanian. Amerindians were the original ANE people before they mixed further on their path to America with East Asians. They are an Eurasian population, today we just assimilate them mentally to another continent.

In K13 I get 7% by adding SSA + South Asian + East Asian + Oceanian.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.02
2 West_Med 30.16
3 East_Med 12.56
4 Baltic 7.8
5 Sub-Saharan 3.11
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 South_Asian 2.03
8 East_Asian 1.31
9 Oceanian 0.73

[Nurzat]

truth is Hungarians have the biggest dicks in Europe in all such charts.

but then, I sometimes score 0 point something African and I have a small dick, so I dunno

[Petalpusher]

In K13 I get 7% by adding SSA + South Asian + East Asian + Oceanian.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.02
2 West_Med 30.16
3 East_Med 12.56
4 Baltic 7.8
5 Sub-Saharan 3.11
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 South_Asian 2.03
8 East_Asian 1.31
9 Oceanian 0.73

Under/over fitting is a real effect, but it's not like the sequencers are doing this more to one nation than to another, statistically it does it to the same extent to everybody. Averages give a better idea outside of individuals cases. And we are talking below integer values anyway. Also a way to avoid some of the effect is to phase with another parent at least(two is ultimately better but one corrects most of the unsettled genotypes).


This is also one major flaw of some pca's, when not weighted. In genetic, the little components are actually more important than the big ones, especially in calculators mixing local Euro like the Eurogenes (very eutorcentric ofc), and deeply removed ethnic components, those have a lot more weight at world scale than scoring a couple percent more of this and that euro component, but they won't be computed on most pca.

[Nurzat]

Under/over fitting is a real effect, but it's not like the sequencers are doing this more to one nation than to another, statistically it does it to the same extent to everybody. Averages give a better idea outside of individuals cases. And we are talking below integer values anyway. Also a way to avoid some of the effect is to phase with another parent at least(two is ultimately better but one corrects most of the unsettled genotypes).


This is also one major flaw of some pca's, when not weighted. In genetic, the little components are actually more important than the big ones, especially in calculators mixing local Euro like the Eurogenes (very eutorcentric ofc), and deeply removed ethnic components, those have a lot more weight at world scale than scoring a couple percent more of this and that euro component, but they won't be computed on most pca.

on chromosome painting, be it noise or not, most of us show small chunks that we don't score overall at all, I see African in my chr painting of Eurasia K6 for example, while I score absolute 0 overall in the admix proportions run. looking at me, it's probably some swag gene.

[Petalpusher]

on chromosome painting, be it noise or not, most of us show small chunks that we don't score overall at all, I see African in my chr painting of Eurasia K6 for example, while I score absolute 0 overall in the admix proportions run. looking at me, it's probably some swag gene.

Everybody score a lot ot things per chromosomes, it does account differently in final admixture though, not just a sum of them. I rarely score anything of those, even less after phasing. My most "exotic" score in Eurogenes is Siberian. Secret swag that is for us, no question.

[Cristiano viejo]

Do you want to join the club of anti-hungarians? :laugh:
Actually no. I am quite neutral with certain countries. Hungary is one of them. Poland is other.


Us "real Celts" don't have any SSA but where's the Amerindian from? :)

That "real" Celt user Dedalus disagrees.

[Rethel]

Actually no. I am quite neutral with certain countries. Hungary is one of them. Poland is other.

The TA's anti-hungarism does not depend on your own stand or thoughts, but is determind
by the hungarian apriticians — if you don't agree with them in the slightest detail or sugest
some tiny non-hungarian provenance, then you are an anti-hungarist :laugh:

[Roy]

They do have less than Spanish people though, so your thread strikes me as bit weird.

[Hektor12]

Us "real Celts" don't have any SSA but where's the Amerindian from? :) ANE ?

[Chaos One]

ANE ?

Probably, misguided as Amerindian.

[Roy]

Amerindian shows up in most calcs for me. Very trace in this one though.

https://i.imgur.com/BInn7a1.png


Which calculator it is? Eurogenes k13?

I score more. 2.59 of Amerindian. I am not sure whether it is real or some error. It is above that so-called noise level. And 0.73 of SSA, lol.

[Cristiano viejo]

They do have less than Spanish people though, so your thread strikes me as bit weird.

And? all of us are niggers. Ones more than others but all Kunta Kintes after all.

You Polackos also join the black panthers
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300716-South-Polish-GEDmatch
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213398-GEDmatch-results-of-50-Polish-Americans

[Pine]

And? all of us are niggers. Ones more than others but all Kunta Kintes after all.

You Polackos also join the black panthers
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300716-South-Polish-GEDmatch
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213398-GEDmatch-results-of-50-Polish-Americans

Your cope is embarrassing.

[Pine]

And? all of us are niggers. Ones more than others but all Kunta Kintes after all.

You Polackos also join the black panthers
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300716-South-Polish-GEDmatch
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?213398-GEDmatch-results-of-50-Polish-Americans

Your cope is embarrassing.

[Petalpusher]

Might as well do this properly instead of 50 pages. Actually Hungarians have very low African on average, they appear in the top 5 of the LEAST West African scores of Europe out of something like 100 populations. They just have a bit of East African (0.29) which is not entirely African (some basal/ENA)


Top 5 Lowest West Africa in Europe
Southwest French 0.00
Hungarian 0.02
North_Italian 0.03
North_Swedish 0.03
Southeast_English 0.04

Top 5 Highest West Africa in Europe
Spanish_Extremadura 1.22
Spanish Galicia 1.16
Portuguese 1.04
Spanish Castilla 0.78
Spanish Murcia 0.78




Top 5 Lowest East Africa in Europe
Ukrainian_West 0.00
Southwest_French 0.02
North_Italian 0.04
Estonian 0.04
East_Finnish 0.05

Top 5 Highest East Africa in Europe
Spanish Castilla 2.21
Portuguese 1.72
South Italian 1.56
Spanish_Murcia 1.44
Spanish Castilla 1.42


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/edit#gid=0


Overall Europe has probably more Oceanian and East Asian than it has African, yet always the most discussed.

[Cristiano viejo]

Might as well do this properly instead of 50 pages. Actually Hungarians have very low African on average, they appear in the top 5 of the LEAST West African scores of Europe out of something like 100 populations. They just have a bit of East African (0.29) which is not entirely African (some basal/ENA).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/edit#gid=0



Something has to be wrong when Finnish score twice the French SSA average :rolleyes:

Also why do they divide Spain in 2000 regions while they dont for the rest of countries?

What about Sweden scoring 0,55% SSA while Castilla la Mancha 0,29% or Aragón, 0,04%?

[Petalpusher]

Something has to be wrong when Finnish score twice the French SSA average :rolleyes:

Also why do they divide Spain in 2000 regions while they dont for the rest of countries?

What about Sweden scoring 0,55% SSA while Castilla la Mancha 0,29% or Aragón, 0,04%?

Time to actually read some genomic litterature. Every academic study uses French as European reference in formal stats, because it has the least amount of East Asian, SSA and Oceanian. I ve asked directly Reich about this in email, amongst other things to Matthieson, Lazaridis. North Euro are never used as reference for Europe, they have too much little things that can skew F statistics, even if ever so slightly, they need the least amount of non West Eurasian admixture. If you go too south you find low levels of SSA, if you go to north you find low levels of East Asian, and too east low levels of Oceanians/East Asians. New genomes are always computed like this first in a comparison between Mbuti/French/Han/Papuan, as reference for the 4 principal groups on earth.

Swede score some West Africa but low East Africa (0.21) Castilla Mancha 1.42 and 2.01 for Castilla Leon, that's x10 more. It's just more East African than West. Aragon are highly Basque who are also one of the lowest score of African in Europe. If Basque have one of the lowest, no reason to find any more north of that, even in the likes of North Italians.

[Cristiano viejo]

Time to actually read some genomic litterature. Every academic study uses French as European reference in formal stats, because it has the least amount of East Asian, SSA and Oceanian. I ve asked directly Reich about this in email, amongst other things to Matthieson, Lazaridis. North Euro are never used as reference for Europe, they have too much little things that can skew F statistics, even if ever so slightly, they need the least amount of non West Eurasian admixture. If you go too south you find low levels of SSA, if you go to north you find low levels of East Asian, and too east low levels of Oceanians/East Asians. New genomes are always computed like this first in a comparison between Mbuti/French/Han/Papuan, as reference for the 4 principal groups on earth.

Swede score some West Africa but low East Africa (0.21) Castilla Mancha 1.42 and 2.01 for Castilla Leon, that's x10 more. It's just more East African than West. Aragon are highly Basque who are also one of the lowest score of African in Europe. If Basque have one of the lowest, no reason to find any more north of that, even in the likes of North Italians.

Fantastic, but you have not answered my questions. How in hell Finnish score the double of SSA than French? how in hell Sweden score more SSA than Aragón (more than x10 times) or Castilla la Mancha (almost the double)?

Dont you see this makes no sense? this makes to question if it is real black blood, something I doubt very much.

[Petalpusher]

Fantastic, but you have not answered my questions. How in hell Finnish score the double of SSA than French? how in hell Sweden score more SSA than Aragón (more than x10 times) or Castilla la Mancha (almost the double)?

Dont you see this makes no sense? this makes to question if it is real black blood, something I doubt very much.

No reason for the North to not score fraction of percents like all Europe, they had as much turn over, if not more than elsewhere, they had neolithic, they had steppe invaders, and they even had some sort of "Siberian" flow. Besides if any African influence went into Europe it was rather through the middle east than Gibraltar through the sea which is a lot much more complicated for a long time, unless it's a more recent influence like the Moors. So no reason to find less in the east either. Again it's over discussed here, but there s more Oceanian and East Asian for most of us than SSA.

Steppe groups were also arguably the biggest mongrels Europe has ever seen when it comes to their genesis and they were more varied than people imagine. Besides the consistency is more important, it's consistent but i would agree it's rather anecdotical in Iberia overall and it fades quickly in the north.

[Defcon2]

Time to actually read some genomic litterature. Every academic study uses French as European reference in formal stats, because it has the least amount of East Asian, SSA and Oceanian. I ve asked directly Reich about this in email, amongst other things to Matthieson, Lazaridis. North Euro are never used as reference for Europe, they have too much little things that can skew F statistics, even if ever so slightly, they need the least amount of non West Eurasian admixture. If you go too south you find low levels of SSA, if you go to north you find low levels of East Asian, and too east low levels of Oceanians/East Asians. New genomes are always computed like this first in a comparison between Mbuti/French/Han/Papuan, as reference for the 4 principal groups on earth.

Swede score some West Africa but low East Africa (0.21) Castilla Mancha 1.42 and 2.01 for Castilla Leon, that's x10 more. It's just more East African than West. Aragon are highly Basque who are also one of the lowest score of African in Europe. If Basque have one of the lowest, no reason to find any more north of that, even in the likes of North Italians.

Academy: not Mongolian or Sub-Saharan wanted.

I get 1/32 (3.14%) black blood in Gedrosia K3 and K13/K15.