Classify Ancient Hungarian heads

[HungAryan]

http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-8.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-9.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-13.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-16.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-22.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-23.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-25.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-27.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-29.jpg
http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kepek/kuag-keszrek-30.jpg


I'd like all of them classified, please :D

[Siginulfo]

Corded, more or less, all

[Siginulfo]

The first is surely ultra-dolicochephalic or hyper-dolicochephalic. On which website do you took this pictures?

[HungAryan]

The first is surely ultra-dolicochephalic or hyper-dolicochephalic. On which website do you took this pictures?

http://www.nhmus.hu/~kustar/kuag-keszrek.html
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[Mordid]

They must be fake.

[Siginulfo]

I know, so? What would you say?

[HungAryan]

They must be fake.

They are reconstructions, based on Ancient and Medieval skulls.

[King Fingolfin]

The first one has not a natural head form; maybe artificially altered (like among Egyptian Pharaohs). The others are all brachycephals or sub-brachycephals: they are mainly Dinaroid and Alpinoid (reduced CM); two of them (the 3rd and the 7th) show some mongoloid (Hunnish) admixtures. The last is quite CM (Borreby-like).

[Siginulfo]

Instead I've understood. I only gave my opinion on these fakes.

[BanjaLuka]

No 1 & 2 were probably binded when the people were infants...(Artificial cranial deformation)

Others are pred.....wait for it .... KU......wait for it....R.....wait for it....GAN...KURGANS! :D

[HungAryan]

Others are pred.....wait for it .... KU......wait for it....R.....wait for it....GAN...KURGANS! :D

Kurgans? :D

[Mordid]

Alright, I give it a try.

1. Pred. Nordoid, needed a frontal pictures.
3. Pred. Nordoid with Dinarid/Dinaroid influence. His forehead remind me of conehead.
4. Pred. Cromagnoid with refined facial features (Nordoid/Dinaroid/Pontoid influence)
5. Pred. Cromagnoid with probably Mongoloidiform influence
6. Pred. Norid/Dinarid with Alpinid and additional Nordid influence.
7. Pred. East Alpinid (Ost-Europid influence is probably East Baltid)
8. Pred. Turanid
9. Pred. Cromagnoid with East Nordid influence
10. Pred. Dinaroid
11. Pred. Nordoid with Alpinoid influence.

[HungAryan]

Alright, I give it a try.

1. Pred. Nordoid, needed a frontal pictures.
3. Pred. Nordoid with Dinarid/Dinaroid influence. His forehead remind me of conehead.
4. Pred. Cromagnoid with refined facial features (Nordoid/Dinaroid/Pontoid influence)
5. Pred. Cromagnoid with probably Mongoloidiform influence
6. Pred. Norid/Dinarid with Alpinid and additional Nordid influence.
7. Pred. East Alpinid (Ost-Europid influence is probably East Baltid)
8. Pred. Turanid
9. Pred. Cromagnoid with East Nordid influence
10. Pred. Dinaroid
11. Pred. Nordoid with Alpinoid influence.


Awesome :D
So, the proto-Magyars were a mixed people, like modern-day Hungarians?

[Agrippa]

Well, this just shows that especially among Mongoloid steppe people, from which this fashion came, cultural degeneration was rampant at that time too. Considering they had fashions of bald women and artificially deformed heads. Yet for Tungids this is not such a big deal probably, but how social status influences things, can be seen on that as well, as progressive Europids tribes upper classes adopted that degenerated custom.

Even some Germanic upper class-aristocratic people adopted this nonsense, especially the women it seems, when the Mongoloid warriors were dominant in the forms of the Huns.

Racially one can recognise two types primarily, an Europid and rather Taurid type (Pamiro-Dinaroid I guess) and the Tungo-Sibirid Mongolid variants.

The last one could be Dalofaelid-Nordid too, probably he was of Indo-European descent...

[King Fingolfin]

This is my opinion:

1. Artificially altered.
2. Artificially altered. Maybe Dinaroid.
3. Mongoloid. Maybe an altered Hunn.
4. Dinarid + Alpinid + Ladogan.
5. Dinarid + Alpinid.
6. Ladogan.
7. Mongoloid. Maybe a Hunn.
8. Dinaricized Cromagnid. A slight Ladogan strain could be possible.
9. Exceptionally low-vaulted Dinaroid.
10. Alpinized Cromagnid (a Borreby like).

[BanjaLuka]

Kurgans? :D

Yes I am just spoofing around on that thing...I expected you knew about them..:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis

[HungAryan]

Yes I am just spoofing around on that thing...I expected you knew about them..:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis

Does that mean that the ancient Magyars resembled the Proto-Indo-Europeans? :D

[HungAryan]

The last one could be Dalofaelid-Nordid too, probably he was of Indo-European descent...

Are you implying that Hungarians are not white? :mad:

[Agrippa]

Are you implying that Hungarians are not white? :mad:

You mix up things completely, first of all, all Finno-Ugrians are no Indo-Europeans, like the Finns and Estonians too.

Yet regardless of their ethnolinguistic background, they can be of a similar racial background and phenotype, like for example a Nordeuropid Finn.

As for the Hungarians, there are two different things:
- ancient (Proto-) Magyars
- modern Hungarians

Modern Hungarians are mostly just Central Europeans and racially Indo-Europeans between German-Czech on the one and Romanian-Serb on the other hand, simple as that to me.

The "Asian admixture", both Turanid and Mongolid, is quite low to unimportant, actually it seems even Scandinavians have more of it on average, Finns, Lapps and Northern Russians anyway.

But the ancient Magyars, the "Proto-Magyars" or "Old Magyars", like you want to call them, were mixed race, they were not Indo-Europeans, they were not even real Europids, but "a mixed Europid-Mongolid" bag and since the admixture was Tungo-Sibirid/Arctic-steppe Mongolid, they partly deviated morphologically even more from Europeans than modern Europid-Sinid mixes.

Modern Hungarians are so Europeans, because so few being left of the ancient Magyars genetically-racially...

The Old Magyars too weren't Mongoloid, but they were mixed, so were the ancestors of the Szekler, which being now more Germanic and more Nordoid than most of their surrounding ethnic groups of the region. Almost complete population changes took place, even in regions in which ethnolinguistic and cultural traditions survived, Hungarians are a perfect example for that.

[BanjaLuka]

Does that mean that the ancient Magyars resembled the Proto-Indo-Europeans? :D

I recently read some Agrippa's post on Kurgans, there were some Kurgan heads reconstructed from skull remains, the reconstruction was done in Russia or USSR back then..not sure.. but some of the heads you posted IMHO look like those heads, there is some similarity...:shrug:

[Agrippa]

I recently read some Agrippa's post on Kurgans, there were some Kurgan heads reconstructed from skull remains, the reconstruction was done in Russia or USSR back then..not sure.. but some of the heads you posted IMHO look like those heads, there is some similarity...:shrug:

They were both more robust and some single individuals among the Kurgan population seem to have had Mongoloid admixture. Later Sarmatians had in some tribes a significant Dinaro-Alpinoid/Pamiro-Dinaroid component, like some Magyars too, but those were no original Kurgan people living in Europe and influencing early Indo-Europeans here.

[Smeagol]

Taurid, Alpinoid, Nordoid, and Turanid influences.