Was my ancestor a Roman soldier?

[Peterski]

It seems very probable to me.

According to this site my Y-DNA lineage came to Poland from Gaul (Gallia) during the Roman times (yellow):

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

There is indeed evidence of Roman military presence in the Warta/Vistula Basins during the early centuries AD:

https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/romans-roamed-the-kujawy-region-of-poland-new-discoveries

https://scienceinpoland.pap.pl/en/news/news%2C29414%2Carchaeologist-we-have-evidence-presence-roman-legionaries-poland.html

https://i.imgur.com/kqn1sXb.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojC-zTXSAsY

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2552/ - here the one with Polish flag is my father's sample

[TheMaestro]

Your new name is Peterlione.

[Peterski]

Your new name is Peterlione.

Dick iterum.

[TheMaestro]

Dick iterum.

You next new name is Peterzzione.

[Peterski]

You next new name is Peterzzione.

We wuz Romanz, gib 20 cowz.

[PaleoEuropean]

Pietro>Peterski

[Peterski]

Pietro>Peterski

Meanwhile, when it comes to autosomal DNA: 23andMe initially gave me 5% Southern European, then they updated to 0.2%, and now 0%. LOL.

[Jaromir]

Did you ever thought to move back there and leave R1a land?

[Jaromir]

Pietro>Peterski

palEo? what happened with your I ???!!!

[PaleoEuropean]

palEo? what happened with your I ???!!!

I couldn't afford to keep up with the payments so i got bumped down to E

[Peterski]

Did you ever thought to move back there and leave R1a land?

Nope. I think I was here before most of the R1a came, LOL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTYnOR1-buE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTYnOR1-buE

[Harkonnen]

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEE

MOMMY LOOK AT ME

I CAN PEDDLE MY WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BIKE WITHOUT HANDS

[Peterski]

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEE

MOMMY LOOK AT ME

I CAN PEDDLE MY WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BIKE WITHOUT HANDS

Bike, you see. This is called civilization. We gave you vehicles, bikes and everything:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZkTnJnLR0

[Harkonnen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8qybFUSAc

[Rethel]

It seems very probable to me.

According to this site my Y-DNA lineage came to Poland from Gaul (Gallia) during the Roman times (yellow):

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

There is indeed evidence of Roman military presence in the Warta/Vistula Basins during the early centuries AD:

https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/romans-roamed-the-kujawy-region-of-poland-new-discoveries

https://scienceinpoland.pap.pl/en/news/news%2C29414%2Carchaeologist-we-have-evidence-presence-roman-legionaries-poland.html

https://i.imgur.com/kqn1sXb.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojC-zTXSAsY

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2552/ - here the one with Polish flag is my father's sample

Why roman soldier? Gaul was full of Celts.
Swabia (east Germania) was full of Celts then.
I don't see a need for Romans in this case.
And btw, this tracks of hgs are bogus.

[Harkonnen]

Actually since combustion engine is essentially a variation of firearm, it is WE who gave you engines, and also rockets etc.

[Peterski]

Why roman soldier? Gaul was full of Celts.
Swabia (east Germania) was full of Celts then.
I don't see a need for Romans in this case.
And btw, this tracks of hgs are bogus.

Local Celts would probably have different subclades, especially under U152.

[gixajo]

...........

We can exchange our Ydna, I give you mine and you give me yours. Mine is not strictly Slavic nor yours strictly Iberian, but they would go unnoticed in our respective countries.

[Rethel]

Local Celts would probably have different subclades, especially under U152.

Even if not Celts per se, then between the year 1 and 1800 is a lot of possibilities, how gaulish guy came to Polania.
Take for example Samo. 600 CE. Gall Anonim 1100. Stoiński aka Statorius 1550. Chopin 1800. No Roman legions at all.
In XVII century in 13,000 Warsaw lived 1000 Frech people. Look here: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francuzi_w_Polsce

Should their descendants think, they came here with roman soldiers, only because they are ignorant about how they came here?

[Petalpusher]

Sounds like Roberto went on a sex trip for the week end up north.

[Peterski]

Even if not Celts per se, then between the year 1 and 1800 is a lot of possibilities, how gaulish guy came to Polania.
Take for example Samo. 600 CE. Gall Anonim 1100. Stoiński aka Statorius 1550. Chopin 1800. No Roman legions at all.
In XVII century in 13,000 Warsaw lived 1000 Frech people. Look here: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francuzi_w_Polsce

Should their descendants think, they came here with roman soldiers, only because they are ignorant about how they came here?

But it seems that my closest Y relatives are Spanish and Mexican, not French.


Sounds like Roberto went on a sex trip for the week end up north.

Then there should be something in autosomes, and there is not even 0.1%. Must be ancient admixture.

Maybe Robertus Maximus during the Marcomannic Wars. BTW, could be some "Amber Road" trader too:

https://imperiumromanum.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/szlak_bursztynowy.jpg

[Linebacker]

I swear over the years the weirdest members of the forum have always been Poles.

[Peterski]

(...)

Under this subclade there seems to be only my father (the one with BigY is my father actually, not me) and one Mexican guy:

https://i.imgur.com/gc64tjX.png

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Yes, from Hispania Romana.

[Zeno]

C A E S A R S A N C T A E U R B I S R O M A E A U G U S T U S


https://youtu.be/ojC-zTXSAsY

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What's the YBP of your last positive allele?

[Vrazijadivizija]

Well we all have a bunch of ancestors which probably back then were under Roman rule and most likely were serving their army no matter their origin.

[Rethel]

But it seems that my closest Y relatives are Spanish and Mexican, not French.

Ok, the same. In 1800 years which are between supposed Romans in Lechia and you, anthing could happen.
Spanish soldiers did fight even in Moscow, so... Take unto account merchants, missionaries, or just regular
people moving here and there... There is so many surrprized movements of people, that without knowing the
real recorded history any guessing is futile. And btw, you still do not have confirmed haplogroup.

For example take unto account such scenario: some Vikings could raid Spain in 800s, take slaves, and move them to Sweden.
At 1300 swedish guy settled in Danzig. At 1600 some moved to Posen, and here you are... thinking about Roman Legions in Wartheland.

[Peterski]

What's the YBP of your last positive allele?

You mean the TMRCA? I'm not sure, they haven't updated it yet here: https://www.ytree.net/

For FGC31068 it is 2900 YBP (according to YFull), but that's not the last positive - there is one more after this.

Probably YBP is in Roman times (I guess ca. 2000 YBP, around the beginning of Common Era).

That's why snpTracker shows "Roman".


Well we all have a bunch of ancestors which probably back then were under Roman rule and most likely were serving their army no matter their origin.

Actually they could also serve in barbarian armies opposing the Romans. Or have no contact with the Romans.

[Vrazijadivizija]

Well obviusly yeah..we have ton of ancestors from every possible side xD would be amazing to be able to actually see and know who and what they were doing back then.

[Peterski]

My Mexican-American match from Arizona hasn't yet uploaded his data to YFull.

He is not on YFull Tree and that's why we don't have a common subclade there.

[Peterski]

I swear over the years the weirdest members of the forum have always been Poles.

From your tribe, 30 cows.


We can exchange our Ydna, I give you mine and you give me yours. Mine is not strictly Slavic nor yours strictly Iberian, but they would go unnoticed in our respective countries.

Do you know your exact subclade? Have you done BigY or a similar test?

[Rethel]

I will repeat 1000th time:

Genealogy+bibliography+hg+confirmation of hg, then = conclusions and hypothesis.

Sole hg means nothing except paleotribe. Period.

[Pine]

SNP Tracker is horseshit. Do you have a deeper clade? Are you YF16360 on YFull?

[NSXD60]

So, weighing all the evidence, pro and con, my assessment is Petrus Fuckus ≫ Petrus Cuckus.

[gixajo]

From your tribe, 30 cows.



Do you know your exact subclade? Have you done BigY or a similar test?

Yseq gave me R1a-Z282>Z91>YP5000.

I am expecting for the BIG Y upgrade results (expected 06/14/2021 - 06/28/2021), because I did a Y111 and just gave me R-M198.

[Peterski]

(...)

My new closest match is... English! Now explain this, it is getting complex: :)

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2552/

https://i.imgur.com/5wgrRYC.png

Supposedly me + English will form a new branch, Spanish YF14855 excluded.

[Ion Basescul]

The obviously wrong assumption here is to expect your paternal ancestor to have had his origins in the Warta/Vistula basin at that distant time. He could have been born literally anywhere in Europe and be of any ethnicity.

[Peterski]

The obviously wrong assumption here is to expect your paternal ancestor to have had his origins in the Warta/Vistula basin at that distant time. He could have been born literally anywhere in Europe and be of any ethnicity.

To me it looks like ca. 2100-1900 years ago my ancestor had to live somewhere in the Roman Empire.

Then they expanded with Roman-related population movements somewhere into Barbaricum.

This is likely how we ended up in Britain and in Poland (presumably passing through Germania earlier).

[gixajo]

My new closest match is... English! Now explain this, it is getting complex: :)

Supposedly me + English will form a new branch, Spanish YF14855 excluded.

I didn´t post it , but this Spanish flag it´s me in Ytree:

https://i.imgur.com/XDkVciB.png

With the BIG Y I am R-YP5000>BY27340 but I´ve just the SNPs CSV file so Ytree only gave me YP5000 for now.

I have matches just with Y12 markers, all of them Polish, Baltics, Germans,Ukranians, Russians etc...

[Rethel]

I will repeat 1000th time:

Genealogy+bibliography+hg+confirmation of hg, then = conclusions and hypothesis.

Sole hg means nothing except paleotribe. Period.

This.