Half Serbian half Turkish DNA results

[Varda]

https://youtu.be/EcZFfdb9UCk

[Varda]

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[Leto]

He wrote in youtube comments that his y dna is I2a1b.
From the description below the video:
Y-Dna: G-M201

Basically he's a Turk, born there, speaks Turkish, raised Muslim.

His kit number is deleted, so I cannot check his Dodecad. But going by the Eurogenes results the guy is ca. 6% East Eurasian.

[Varda]

From the description below the video:
Y-Dna: G-M201

Basically he's a Turk, born there, speaks Turkish, raised Muslim.

His kit number is deleted, so I cannot check his Dodecad. But going by the Eurogenes results the guy is ca. 6% East Eurasian.

Yea, I see now. Some other Turk wrote he is I2a, guy with nick Golden Horde.

This guy probably have Sandžakian Muslim ("Bosniak") paternal origin. Sandžakians have G1 and G2 in small percentages.

[Leto]

Serbian-Turkish,15.12,13.67,14.96,22.69,22.04,3.93,1.19,1. 24,4.51,0.27,0,0.39,0

Target: Serbian-Turkish
Distance: 2.1608% / 2.16075813 | R2P
54.8 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
45.2 Montenegrin

Quite accurate, broadly speaking. Maybe he is in reality half Bosniak.

[Varda]

Serbian-Turkish,15.12,13.67,14.96,22.69,22.04,3.93,1.19,1. 24,4.51,0.27,0,0.39,0

Target: Serbian-Turkish
Distance: 2.1608% / 2.16075813 | R2P
54.8 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
45.2 Montenegrin

Quite accurate, broadly speaking. Maybe he is in reality half Bosniak.

Now is obvious his father is Sandžakian Bosniak. Sandžakians are close to Montenegrins autosomally on average.

[Dr_Maul]

This guy probably have Sandžakian Muslim ("Bosniak") paternal origin. Sandžakians have G1 and G2 in small percentages.

G1? really? Where can I read on that

[Varda]

G1? really? Where can I read on that

Here on forum of Serbian dna project is written y dna result of Sandžakian Bosniak from Novi Pazar who is G1-L830 (his surname is Kačar) https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=391.msg113999#msg113999

[Dr_Maul]

Here on forum of Serbian dna project is written y dna result of Sandžakian Bosniak from Novi Pazar who is G1-L830 (his surname is Kačar) https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=391.msg113999#msg113999

I ask because if you may or may not know its an extremely rare haplo. I'm personally interested in its origins because its distribution is interesting (it has also not been found in any ancient samples)

[CommonSense]

Here on forum of Serbian dna project is written y dna result of Sandžakian Bosniak from Novi Pazar who is G1-L830 (his surname is Kačar) https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=391.msg113999#msg113999

That's the guy from the video. His paternal ancestors were originally orthodox Serbs with the same haplogroup.

[Jana]

G1? really? Where can I read on that

I'm also interested in this hg. We have a northern Croat with German sounding surname who is G1 on our project, it does seem extremely rare.

[Varda]

I'm also interested in this hg. We have a northern Croat with German sounding surname who is G1 on our project, it does seem extremely rare.

This guy (Kačar) have a match by y dna with Orthodox Serb with surname Beloica who is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukovica,_Rožaje

Ejup Mušović in his book Stanovništvo sjeničkog i tutinskog kraja say that one Beloica in the past converted on islam and his descendants are muslims with surname Kačar.

[Jana]

This guy (Kačar) have a match by y dna with Orthodox Serb with surname Beloica who is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukovica,_Rožaje

Ejup Mušović in his book Stanovništvo sjeničkog i tutinskog kraja say that one Beloica in the past converted on islam and his descendants are muslims with surname Kačar.

Do you know origins of G1?

[Varda]

Do you know origins of G1?

I don't have idea about further origin of that G1-L830 in northern Montenegro. G1 is very rare among Serbs.

[RogueState]

What's his father's name ?

You can check the background here https://wiki.sandzak.com/Kategorija:Sand%C5%BEa%C4%8Dka_prezimena

[Varda]

What's his father's name ?

You can check the background here https://wiki.sandzak.com/Kategorija:Sand%C5%BEa%C4%8Dka_prezimena

Surname is Kačar https://wiki.sandzak.com/Ka%C4%8Dar

I don't know name of his father.

[CommonSense]

G1 exists in West Asia and among Ashkenazi Jews. His line is likely another remnant of the Roman colonists from the eastern Mediterranean just like the Kriči (J2b-M205).

[Dr_Maul]

G1 exists in West Asia and among Ashkenazi Jews. His line is likely another remnant of the Roman colonists from the eastern Mediterranean just like the Kriči (J2b-M205).

Even here it is quite rare never going over 1% in most of West Asia (3-5% peaks in some places mainly Iran)
There are a couple Kazakh tribes with 60-80% G1 but their origins are clearly MENA in some sort judging my name and history

[Kaspias]

Kaçar is a Turkish/Azerbaijani tribe that belonged to Bayat. They lived in Yozgat, Bozok. Following the Celali Rebellions, a great majority of them were escaped to Iran while the ones who could not manage to escape were expelled to the Balkans.

https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/kacarlar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celali_rebellions

[Varda]

Kaçar is a Turkish/Azerbaijani tribe that belonged to Bayat. They lived in Yozgat, Bozok. Following the Celali Rebellions, a great majority of them were escaped to Iran while the ones who could not manage to escape were expelled to the Balkans.

https://islamansiklopedisi.org.tr/kacarlar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celali_rebellions

Original surname of paternal ancestors of this guy was Belojica. It's recorded by ethnologists, and he have a match in y dna with Orthodox Serb from northern Montenegro with surname Belojica.

In Serbian "kačar" is a craftsman who makes a barrels (kaca is barrel in Serbian). Paternal ancestors of this guy was craftsman who was engaged in the production of barrels, and surname turned from Belojica in Kačar because of that.

Surname Kačar exist among Serbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojko_Kačar

Conclusion on Sandžakian site whose link i posted in my previous post about deep origin of Kačar family by paternal line: DNA tested Kačar originated from an unidentified tribe of Romance origin, from area of western Malesia.

In other words paternal ancestors of this guy were Vlachs who are serbified in the middle age, and later his ancestor (who had Serbian identity) converted on islam.

[Leto]

Here's the fucking guy xD
https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AAUvwnixcmiEhMH_2uUgjnDdynX0aKVv_qT7eCNKtwkYmA=s17 6-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj

[Kaspias]

Original surname of paternal ancestors of this guy was Belojica. It's recorded by ethnologists, and he have a match in y dna with Orthodox Serb from northern Montenegro with surname Belojica.

In Serbian "kačar" is a craftsman who makes barrels (kaca is barrel in Serbian). Paternal ancestors of this guy was craftsman who was engaged in the production of barrels, and surname turned from Belojica in Kačar because of that.

Surname Kačar exist among Serbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojko_Kačar

Conclusion on Sandžakian site whose link i posted in my previous post about deep origin of Kačar family by paternal line: DNA tested Kačar originated from an unidentified tribe of Romance origin, from area of western Malesia.

In other words paternal ancestors of this guy were Vlachs who are serbified in the middle age, and later his ancestor (who had Serbian identity) converted on islam.

In Turkish "Kaçar" means "running out"/"escaping."

I have read the Wikipedia page but since the HG is an outlier in the region, I'm posting alternative explanations. Considering there were no mass Turkish settlements in Sandzak as in Eastern Balkans, my bet would also be on Serbian origin, HG being a Roman remnant.

[Varda]

In Turkish "Kaçar" means "running out"/"escaping."

I have read the Wikipedia page but since the HG is an outlier in the region, I'm posting alternative explanations. Considering there were no mass Turkish settlements in Sandzak as in Eastern Balkans, my bet would also be on Serbian origin, HG being a Roman remnant.

His far paternal ancestor probably came to the Balkan in Roman time from Anatolia or Black sea region. Like paternal ancestor of Kriči tribe (J2b1-M205) who arrived in Balkan in Roman time from Syria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči
Kriči were Vlachs in the middle age, and they are serbified probably in 14th century. Probably similar was with paternal ancestors of this guy.

[Varda]

His far paternal ancestor probably came to the Balkan in Roman time from Anatolia or Black sea region. Like paternal ancestor of Kriči tribe (J2b1-M205) who arrived in Balkan in Roman time from Syria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči
Kriči were Vlachs in the middle age, and they are serbified probably in 14th century. Probably similar was with paternal ancestors of this guy.

In Roman time people from all parts of empire were present in the Balkans for various reasons. Because of that Aromanian Vlachs are very diverse in y dna and their strongest haplo R1b is only 20-21% and it's divided in various branches.

[Dr_Maul]

Seems I was wrong G1 is actually found in Ancient samples. 1 Azerbaijan Copper age 3700 BC, 1 Iran Copper age 3800 BC, and 1 Xiongnu 0 AD