Do Georgians have any actual Steppe ancestry?

[Leto]

Question.
Even though some Georgians do score over 10 percent North_European on Dodecad, the Georgian_Imereti average from G25 appears to be zero Steppe.

Davidski standard run:

Target: Georgian_Imer
Distance: 2.7658% / 0.02765826
95.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.6 TUR_Barcin_N
1.4 WHG
0.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.2 Han

[FinalFlash]

They don't based on what I've seen from their Imeretian averages. Gedmatch calculators are wrong imo.

[Dr_Maul]

GEDmatch says yes, as you pointed out in the OP many score up to 10 N E. G25 on the other hand:

GEDmatch is older, so I would guess G25 is more reliable

Target: Georgian_Imer
Distance: 2.3799% / 0.02379851
52.0 GEO_CHG
43.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.2 Levant_PPNB

Target: Georgian_Laz
Distance: 2.5193% / 0.02519349
46.4 GEO_CHG
31.6 TUR_Barcin_N
14.0 Levant_PPNB
6.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

[Leto]

Well, GED doesn't say Steppe, we just infer it from the North_European.
Looks like Georgians almost exclusively CHG and Anatolian-like.

[Mejgusu]

Well, GED doesn't say Steppe, we just infer it from the North_European.
Looks like Georgians almost exclusively CHG and Anatolian-like.

If NE-Europe(Dodecad) is indicating steppe-influence, then some have, some nearly none. Look at Laz people who are nearly 100% non-steppe and they are so to speak their "siblings". I have posted an ancient result from Georgia who already had some European influence.

Gedrosia: 39.87pct
NE-Europe: 9.81 Pct
South Asian: 0.59 Pct
Caucasia: 47.87 Pct
SSA: 1.87 Pct

How it can be that Laz people dont have any, but even ancient Georgia had it. This calculators maybe suck Yamnaya away because they always were steppe influenced.

[Rethel]

Of course they have, even if it isn't autosomally noticeable.

1/5 of them is M173, many have light pigmentation, lactose
persistance and lack of rh, so it is obviously logical that not
only this 20% have steppe ancestors, but the rest of them
has also some far ascendants among the ancient steppoids.

[Roy]

Which Caucasian ethnicity has the biggest amount of steppe ancestry btw.?

[FinalFlash]

Which Caucasian ethnicity has the biggest amount of steppe ancestry btw.?

Avars, if G25 is any indication.

[Mejgusu]

Which Caucasian ethnicity has the biggest amount of steppe ancestry btw.?

North Caucasians generally have generally high North Euro admixture, highest amount of it can be found among Avars, Daghestanis(like Tabassarans or Dargins) or Chechens as far i know.

[CommonSense]

This basically means that there were ancient carriers of genes for light eyes and hair other than Indo-Europeans.

[Dr_Maul]

Which Caucasian ethnicity has the biggest amount of steppe ancestry btw.?

Daghestanis by far

[Leto]

In Dagestan that may not be actual Steppe though. They're very low in R1a/b. I think that may be due to their proximity to the Steppe as Dagestan is just south of Kalmykia.

[Dr_Maul]

In Dagestan that may not be actual Steppe though. They're very low in R1a/b. I think that may be due to their proximity to the Steppe as Dagestan is just south of Kalmykia.

Well, Dagestan simply has an extreme founder effect which eventually probably phased out the R1 (Also, J1a is found in EHG but I doubt they got it from Steppe/EHG rather native source)

[Petalpusher]

It's a difficult question because they are mostly made of something that was part of the steppe (CHG like), but they might lack entirely the other parts (more EHG). So are they half, or zero because they don't have the other half...In the same way central Asian have the ancestral ANE but they lack what Steppe people acquired later going West.

It really comes down how we define the steppe exactly, as an addition of things or an indivisible component.

[Roy]

This basically means that there were ancient carriers of genes for light eyes and hair other than Indo-Europeans.

Georgians very rarely have light eyes let alone light hair.

[CommonSense]

Georgians very rarely have light eyes let alone light hair.

Not really, statistically they have no fewer than Greeks who have a siezable amount of steppe/Indo-European ancestry.

[Leto]

Georgians very rarely have light eyes let alone light hair.
Not true. At least 20% of them have light hair and/or eyes. Do you know the user Frowning Man? Guess what, he's actually lighter than you with your fuck ton of Nordo-Slavic ancestry.

It's Armenians who are very rarely light (besides light skin).

[Frowning Man]

Georgians very rarely have light eyes let alone light hair.

Depends on who you are comparing with. If you compare with Russians, Germans and other northerners, then you are right, Georgians are rarely depigmented in comparison with them.

If we compare with Ossetians, Dagestanis and Chechens, then no, they are not more depigmented than Georgians. This is confirmed by anthropological studies. Western Georgia (Imereti, Guria, Megrelia, Adjara, Svaneti) is one of the most light-eyed regions of the Caucasus.

[Roy]

North Caucasians generally have generally high North Euro admixture, highest amount of it can be found among Avars, Daghestanis(like Tabassarans or Dargins) or Chechens as far i know.

Where can I find the spreadsheet? Somehow googling does not help. Can you provide me some link?

[Dr_Maul]

Where can I find the spreadsheet? Somehow googling does not help. Can you provide me some link?

Run them in Vahaduo if you'd like

[Leto]

Where can I find the spreadsheet? Somehow googling does not help. Can you provide me some link?
Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia. The first three pops are Dargin subgroups from inland (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/%D0%94%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%8B_% D0%B2_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D 0%BD%D0%B5.svg/407px-%D0%94%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%8B_% D0%B2_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D 0%BD%D0%B5.svg.png) Dagestan
https://i.ibb.co/hdfF9Q8/Dagestan-Chechnya-Ingushetia-Davidski-G25.png
The Lezgins are missing here but they'd be a little more Southern than the Tabasarans.

[Zanzibar]

Western Georgians such as Adjara, Imereti, Laz and Mingrelian seem to almost to completely lack Steppe while Central and Eastern ones like Kakheti, Kartli and Meshkheti seem to have some. Khevsureti and Tusheti seem to have super high IE but they probably have a lot of North Caucasian admixture.

It's fascinating because I heard that Western Georgians are the "purest Georgians" and "whiter looking ones" while Eastern Georgians are more mixed and look more like Armenians, Azeris and Iranians. Very ironic indeed that more "Euro looking" Western Georgians are the ones that lack Steppe for the most part while the more MENA looking Eastern Georgians are the ones that have some IE blood.

Assuming that Erdogan is pure Laz, looks like he will don't have any Steppe blood.

Georgians especially the Western ones overall seem to be a genetic engima as they are one of the few West Asian groups to have close to zero to literally no Steppe while most of their neighbors have IE blood.

Target: Georgian_Ajar
Distance: 1.7645% / 0.01764461
47.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
27.2 GEO_CHG
10.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
8.0 TUR_Barcin_N
6.0 Levant_PPNB
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


Target: Georgian_Imer
Distance: 1.6714% / 0.01671444
39.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
33.4 GEO_CHG
26.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.4 Levant_PPNB
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


Target: Georgian_Jew
Distance: 1.9638% / 0.01963766
41.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
24.8 Levant_PPNB
13.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
7.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.6 Han

Target: Georgian_Kakh
Distance: 1.5207% / 0.01520704
51.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
17.0 GEO_CHG
10.2 Levant_PPNB
9.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.6 TUR_Barcin_N
1.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Georgian_Kart
Distance: 1.4491% / 0.01449109
59.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
15.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
12.2 GEO_CHG
7.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Levant_PPNB
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Georgian_Khevs
Distance: 1.5915% / 0.01591451
51.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
18.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 GEO_CHG
13.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.4 Levant_PPNB
0.4 Nganassan

Target: Georgian_Laz
Distance: 1.5312% / 0.01531169
52.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
21.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
18.2 GEO_CHG
4.6 Levant_PPNB
2.6 TUR_Barcin_N
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


Target: Georgian_Megr
Distance: 1.7752% / 0.01775199
40.8 GEO_CHG
29.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
29.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Georgian_Meskheti
Distance: 2.3505% / 0.02350483
57.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
14.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 Levant_PPNB
8.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.2 Han

Target: Georgian_Svan
Distance: 2.2013% / 0.02201328
46.6 GEO_CHG
30.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
17.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.6 Nganassan

Target: Georgian_Tush
Distance: 1.6331% / 0.01633118
46.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
19.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
18.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.8 GEO_CHG
0.4 Jarawa

[Leto]

Some of those averages are Northeastern Georgians. I don't think they look Armenian. Rather North Caucasian.

Yes, it is ironic. Thanks to Orthodox Christianity they are less "black" :cool:

[Zanzibar]

Some of those averages are Northeastern Georgians. I don't think they look Armenian. Rather North Caucasian.

Yes, it is ironic. Thanks to Orthodox Christianity they are less "black" :cool:

Khevsureti and Tusheti are Northeastern I believe. Yep those would look North Caucasian. I think its the Kakheti, Kartli and Meshkheti which are the Central and Eastern regions who would look more Armenian, Azeri or Iranian.

Just have a hard time wrapping my head around such paradox. High CHG blood + low sunshine hours and lots of rainfall is probably responsible for many Western Georgians including Laz being "White/Euro" passing despite the fact that they are genetically more distant from Europeans than Turks, Iranians, Azeris and Armenians as the latter have some IE affinity.

Another group that is rather ironic are the Samaritans. They also tend to score noise level to literally zero Steppe but many of them are rather light skin with fairer features but its probably due to endogamy and them being rather inbred.

[Frowning Man]

Khevsureti and Tusheti are Northeastern I believe. Yep those would look North Caucasian. I think its the Kakheti, Kartli and Meshkheti which are the Central and Eastern regions who would look more Armenian, Azeri or Iranian.

Just have a hard time wrapping my head around such paradox. High CHG blood + low sunshine hours and lots of rainfall is probably responsible for many Western Georgians including Laz being "White/Euro" passing despite the fact that they are genetically more distant from Europeans than Turks, Iranians, Azeris and Armenians as the latter have some IE affinity.


Northeastern Georgians are anthropologically no more similar to North Caucasians than Western Georgians, they still look Georgian, not North Caucasian. But the western Georgians (except for the Svans) are lighter in color than the northeastern Georgians, I don’t know why. I am also a Western Georgian, I also don’t have steppe genes.
The western ones are more isolated due to their geography, the territory is more difficult to pass (very dense forests, swamps, rivers and mountains), the population is more closed, conservative and aggressive, even today western Georgia is very mono-ethnic.

Southeastern and generally southern Georgians more often than other Georgians are similar to Armenians and Iranians, but this does not mean that this type dominates among them. Even so, they will still differ from the Armenians and even more from the Iranians.

[Zoro]

Put all tests aside especially the quacky G25 and using simple logic ask yourself is it even remotely possible that Steppe admixture reached the furthest corners of Western Europe including Spain and more isolated islands like Sardinia and all places around Georgia including Georgia but didn’t reach some Georgians and a light bulb should turn on in your head.

Humans have managed to reach places a zillion times more isolated and inhospitable than Georgia such as islands in the Pacific ocean thousands of miles from continents including the Arctic circle and South America. Time to shelf pos calculators

[Leto]

Put all tests aside especially the quacky G25 and using simple logic ask yourself is it even remotely possible that Steppe admixture reached the furthest corners of Western Europe including Spain and more isolated islands like Sardinia and all places around Georgia including Georgia but didn’t reach some Georgians and a light bulb should turn on in your head.

Humans have managed to reach places a zillion times more isolated and inhospitable than Georgia such as islands in the Pacific ocean thousands of miles from continents including the Arctic circle and South America. Time to shelf pos calculators
Hey why won't you fucking show us an alternative model as evidence to disprove the OP instead of baselessly bashing the fuck out of G25 at every opportunity over and over again.
I personally find it strange too that Georgians show barely any Steppe given their looks and geography. Hell, they even have R1a. Svans are around 10% R1a, I believe.

[Zoro]

I personally find it strange too that Georgians show barely any Steppe given their looks and geography. Hell, they even have R1a. Svans are around 10% R1a, I believe.

Why would 10% R1a be surprising when Georgia is at the footsteps of the Steppe


Hey why won't you fucking show us an alternative model as evidence to disprove the OP instead of baselessly bashing the fuck out of G25 at every opportunity over and over again.
Why would I run models when you’re being a prick. Logic is a good enough thing to disprove G25

[FinalFlash]

Why would 10% R1a be surprising when Georgia is at the footsteps of the Steppe


Why would I run models when you’re being a prick. Logic is a good enough thing to disprove G25

Because running models would alleviate all doubts as far the validity of your rants and would put a massive dent on the integrity of G25, if not completely nullify it as a proper genetics tool.

[FinalFlash]

Western Georgians such as Adjara, Imereti, Laz and Mingrelian seem to almost to completely lack Steppe while Central and Eastern ones like Kakheti, Kartli and Meshkheti seem to have some. Khevsureti and Tusheti seem to have super high IE but they probably have a lot of North Caucasian admixture.

It's fascinating because I heard that Western Georgians are the "purest Georgians" and "whiter looking ones" while Eastern Georgians are more mixed and look more like Armenians, Azeris and Iranians. Very ironic indeed that more "Euro looking" Western Georgians are the ones that lack Steppe for the most part while the more MENA looking Eastern Georgians are the ones that have some IE blood.

Assuming that Erdogan is pure Laz, looks like he will don't have any Steppe blood.

Georgians especially the Western ones overall seem to be a genetic engima as they are one of the few West Asian groups to have close to zero to literally no Steppe while most of their neighbors have IE blood.

Target: Georgian_Ajar
Distance: 1.7645% / 0.01764461
47.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
27.2 GEO_CHG
10.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
8.0 TUR_Barcin_N
6.0 Levant_PPNB
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


Target: Georgian_Imer
Distance: 1.6714% / 0.01671444
39.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
33.4 GEO_CHG
26.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.4 Levant_PPNB
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


Target: Georgian_Jew
Distance: 1.9638% / 0.01963766
41.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
24.8 Levant_PPNB
13.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
7.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.6 Han

Target: Georgian_Kakh
Distance: 1.5207% / 0.01520704
51.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
17.0 GEO_CHG
10.2 Levant_PPNB
9.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.6 TUR_Barcin_N
1.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Georgian_Kart
Distance: 1.4491% / 0.01449109
59.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
15.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
12.2 GEO_CHG
7.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Levant_PPNB
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Georgian_Khevs
Distance: 1.5915% / 0.01591451
51.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
18.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 GEO_CHG
13.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.4 Levant_PPNB
0.4 Nganassan

Target: Georgian_Laz
Distance: 1.5312% / 0.01531169
52.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
21.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
18.2 GEO_CHG
4.6 Levant_PPNB
2.6 TUR_Barcin_N
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


Target: Georgian_Megr
Distance: 1.7752% / 0.01775199
40.8 GEO_CHG
29.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
29.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Georgian_Meskheti
Distance: 2.3505% / 0.02350483
57.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
14.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 Levant_PPNB
8.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.2 Han

Target: Georgian_Svan
Distance: 2.2013% / 0.02201328
46.6 GEO_CHG
30.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
17.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.6 Nganassan

Target: Georgian_Tush
Distance: 1.6331% / 0.01633118
46.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
19.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
18.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.8 GEO_CHG
0.4 Jarawa

Its not always about what you have but rather what you don't. The "whiter" looking westerners have trace to non-existent levels of Iran_N relative to their Eastern counterparts...who in turn have less than Armenians....who have less than Iranians and Azeris etc.

[Zoro]

Because running models would alleviate all doubts as far the validity of your rants and would put a massive dent on the integrity of G25, if not completely nullify it as a proper genetics tool.

You’re naïve to think that my friend. Many will never give up on G25 since that’s one of the few things they can run.

To them it doesn’t matter if the distances between Africans and Eurasians with G25 are screwed up just like it doesn’t matter if it shows Georgians with 0 Steppe.

There’s a nice English expression “they can’t see the forest for the trees” that perfectly fits alot of kids here and on other forums.

If I show them a qpAdm model showing different results and since they wouldn’t be able to disprove it they’ll take the cowardly way out and say I cheated or the samples are not representative.

There’s no logic. They do the same nonsense with Dilawer. Like he has nothing better to do than spend thousands of dollars maintaining a website and spending hundreds of hours on research just to artificially make Kurds have more steppe ancestry. When you deal with people like this there’s no logic or rhyme or reason.

Now they’re coming up with “simulated” genomes to make Arabian models work. It doesn’t occur to anyone that if distances are wrong it means coordinates are wrong and if coordinates are wrong then models are wrong. Nevermind all the scientific papers detailing issues with PCA based systems like G25. No one understands those papers anyways.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Some do have Steppe ancestry, others don't.

https://i.imgur.com/oj4EHvE.png

[Leto]

You’re naïve to think that my friend. Many will never give up on G25 since that’s one of the few things they can run.

To them it doesn’t matter if the distances between Africans and Eurasians with G25 are screwed up just like it doesn’t matter if it shows Georgians with 0 Steppe.

There’s a nice English expression “they can’t see the forest for the trees” that perfectly fits alot of kids here and on other forums.

If I show them a qpAdm model showing different results and since they wouldn’t be able to disprove it they’ll take the cowardly way out and say I cheated or the samples are not representative.

There’s no logic. They do the same nonsense with Dilawer. Like he has nothing better to do than spend thousands of dollars maintaining a website and spending hundreds of hours on research just to artificially make Kurds have more steppe ancestry. When you deal with people like this there’s no logic or rhyme or reason.

Now they’re coming up with “simulated” genomes to make Arabian models work. It doesn’t occur to anyone that if distances are wrong it means coordinates are wrong and if coordinates are wrong then models are wrong. Nevermind all the scientific papers detailing issues with PCA based systems like G25. No one understands those papers anyways.
Then leave our threads for fuck's sake and stop promoting Dilawer while simultaneously attacking G25 at every opportunity. We will do without you just fine, believe me!

"G25 is bullshit, Dilawer is the best geneticist but I won't show you any model because you all are pricks and don't deserve my time".

[Peterski]

and stop promoting Dilawer

I think Zoro = Dilawer, so let him promote himself.

[CeRcVa13]

Western Georgians such as Adjara, Imereti, Laz and Mingrelian seem to almost to completely lack Steppe while Central and Eastern ones like Kakheti, Kartli and Meshkheti seem to have some. Khevsureti and Tusheti seem to have super high IE but they probably have a lot of North Caucasian admixture.

It's fascinating because I heard that Western Georgians are the "purest Georgians" and "whiter looking ones" while Eastern Georgians are more mixed and look more like Armenians, Azeris and Iranians. Very ironic indeed that more "Euro looking" Western Georgians are the ones that lack Steppe for the most part while the more MENA looking Eastern Georgians are the ones that have some IE blood.

Assuming that Erdogan is pure Laz, looks like he will don't have any Steppe blood.

Georgians especially the Western ones overall seem to be a genetic engima as they are one of the few West Asian groups to have close to zero to literally no Steppe while most of their neighbors have IE blood.


And why is this surprising? The Yamnas had dark skin and had no European appearance. Also, Eastern Georgians do not like Iranians, Armenians and Azeris if they are not mixed. It is just a stereotype common among Western Georgians, I am also a Western Georgian, but many Western Georgians do not often see Eastern Georgians and therefore think stereotypically. But yes they are darker than Western Georgians.

[Leto]

And why is this surprising? The Yamnas had dark skin and had no European appearance.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. To me they are still ancestral whites. Maybe they were as dark as Spaniards or Greeks, that's still European, not some kind of Indian or Arabian. Don't buy everything the media says, remember they tried to portray the Cheddar Man basically as a semi-Negro.

[CeRcVa13]

Maybe they were as dark as Spaniards or Greeks, that's still European, not some kind of Indian or Arabian..

I mean exactly that, so I'm saying steppe origins do not automatically mean more white skin. When people see high traces of steppe in North Caucasians here, they think that North Caucasians are more white than Georgians and so on. This is not true at all, we know from genetics that Caucasian hunter-gatherers and the EEF had white skin and light-colored eye genes. So there is nothing surprising here that western Georgian are most white in Caucasus.

[Leto]

I mean exactly that, so I'm saying steppe origins do not automatically mean more white skin. When people see high traces of steppe in North Caucasians here, they think that North Caucasians are more white than Georgians and so on. This is not true at all, we know from genetics that Caucasian hunter-gatherers and the EEF had white skin and light-colored eye genes. So there is nothing surprising here that western Georgian are most white in Caucasus.
Well, yes, we discussed this here quite extensively
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?351954-Georgian-regional-samples-(Dodecad-K12b)

[Kasra2099]

Maybe a little but I don’t think it’s absent