Ydna R1a-M417 Headcount

[Figaro]

Alright, J2’s are acting a little out of line lately, so where’s my tribe at?

[gixajo]

Alright, J2’s are acting a little out of line lately, so where’s my tribe at?

I am of the Mandenka tribe, and you?

R1a1a1b1a2 here, from Africa.

[Figaro]

I am of the Mandenka tribe, and you?

R1a1a1b1a2 here, from Africa.

If you say so, my Corded Ware cousin! Nice to have you in the tribe.

[gixajo]

If you say so, my Corded Ware cousin! Nice to have you in the tribe.

Same and thanks.

We had probably a common ancestor ...4500 ago aprox.

[Figaro]

Same and thanks.

We had probably a common ancestor ...4500 ago aprox.

Where’s your R1a from, incidentally?

[tipirneni]

https://atlantisjavasea.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/slide1.png
There are some theories which may look fantasy but there is still scientific basis

these theories hold that the K & P people were present in those Sundaland when there were volcanic eruptions which forced some to run north and mix with Denisovans and Neanderthal and mutate to become R* near Baikal. Some hold the earliest R1a moved through that route into India from east

[Rethel]

What is going on? I don't get it... :pout:

[gixajo]

Where’s your R1a from, incidentally?

It comes from my paternal side, from Andalusia, I don´t know when it arrived there.

Yseq gaved me: R1a-Z282>Z91>YP5000

I am expecting the Big Y results from FTDNA, with a Y111 done I am there as a R-M198, my matches in Y12 are Polish, Germans and Baltics surnamed people.

YP5000 it´s suposed to be Center European, between Germany and Czechia, but few people with YP5000 are tested just now.

I have some suspicions about it could be related with this: Nuevas Poblaciones de Sierra Morena y Andalucía. (https://second.wiki/wiki/nuevas_poblaciones_de_andalucc3ada_y_sierra_morena )

But I have not found many Center European input in my father´s autosomal results, so this Ydna could come from more ancient times.

So, I don´t know actually.

[Rethel]

It comes from my paternal side, from Andalusia, I don´t know when it arrived there.

Yseq gaved me: R1a-Z282>Z91>YP5000

I am expecting the Big Y results from FTDNA, with a Y111 done I am there as a R-M198, my matches in Y12 are Polish, Germans and Baltics surnamed people.

YP5000 it´s suposed to be Center European, between Germany and Czechia, but few people with YP5000 are tested just now.

I have some suspicions about it could be related with this: Nuevas Poblaciones de Sierra Morena y Andalucía. (https://second.wiki/wiki/nuevas_poblaciones_de_andalucc3ada_y_sierra_morena )

But I have not found many Center European input in my father´s autosomal results, so this Ydna could come from more ancient times.

So, I don´t know actually.

Maybe you are this Saqlabi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muj%C4%81hid_al-%CA%BF%C4%80mir%C4%AB) :)

[Figaro]

I think this thread is being a touch misunderstood. It’s theme is “Who’s R1a here?”

[Dr_Maul]

I think this thread is being a touch misunderstood. It’s theme is “Who’s R1a here?”

You cannot expect everyone to have the J2 intellect... :rolleyes:

[Thracian]

Mine is also R1a1a1b1a2b3.

[gixajo]

Maybe you are this Saqlabi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muj%C4%81hid_al-%CA%BF%C4%80mir%C4%AB) :)

Maybe, but as far as I know I have not any Valencian or Balearic ancestry.

[gixajo]

You cannot expect everyone to have the J2 intellect... :rolleyes:

That was said by someone J2 with Ydna in a thread on R1a...:D

[Rethel]

Maybe, but as far as I know I have not any Valencian or Balearic ancestry.

You have pedegree to XIth century?

[gixajo]

You have pedegree to XIth century?

Obviously no and less in my paternal line.

Nor do I think you or I know anyone who knows with complete certainty all their ancestors until the eleventh century in his paternal line who are not from any royal family or noblemen of fairly high rank.

And even these ones cannot assure that in those 30-40 generations, there has been no interruption of that line due to illegitimate children, adoptions of children from other marriages who are given the last name of his new father, or adoptions not documented as such.

I have a lot of hope that BIG Y can clarify something more for me on this matter.

[Rethel]

Obviously no and less in my paternal line.

So, the fact, that quite recenty you have no valencian or balearian known ancestors means nothing if we talk about XIth century.
I wanted only to signal a possibility, that you can be a descendant of some slavic guy, similarly as this emir, or maybe even him :p


Nor do I think you or I know anyone who knows with complete certainty all their ancestors until the eleventh century in his paternal line who are not from any royal family or noblemen of fairly high rank.

In some regions it is possible, but rarely.


And even these ones cannot assure that in those 30-40 generations, there has been no interruption of that line due to illegitimate children, adoptions of children from other marriages who are given the last name of his new father, or adoptions not documented as such.

And this is why hg testing is usefull – allows to check if legal situation is really legit.


I have a lot of hope that BIG Y can clarify something more for me on this matter.

Maybe, maybe, very maybe.

First genealogy and bibliography, then hg (not BIG at the beginning,
Y37 is enough) then confirmation of hg, and the BIG at the very end.
If you are starting from the end, it will give you almost nothing – not
too much more, than this what you allready know.

[gixajo]

So, the fact, that quite recenty you have no Valencian or balearian known nacestors means nothing if we talk about XIth century.
I wanted only to signal a possibility, that you can be a descendant of some slavic guy, similarly as this emir, or maybe even him :p

I´ve told "maybe", because I cannot know it, and in any case, genealogic research with just 100-200 years back is more accurate, easier to know and more reliable than the one that goes back 1000 years ago, an this is an idea easily understood by anyone.




In some regions in it is possible, but rarely.

That´s what I´ve said than it is more difficult in my paternal side, because in the area where my paternal side comes from, has been several massive destruction of parish and municipal historical records in various wars, especially two very massive ones, one by the French in the Napoleonic invasion and the other in the civil war by the republican side.




And this is why hg testing is usefull – allows to check if legal situation is really legit.

Yeah, agree, in my particular case, I trust FTDNA and its BIG Y more than genealogy.

The ideal would be to be able to support genealogy with genetics, and within genetics, be based especially on Ydna (in this particular case) and secondarily on autosomal results.


Maybe, maybe, very maybe.

Maybe always, and in these issues of genetics and genealogy, more maybe than in other issues. Because we cannot be certain in most cases.


First genealogy and bibliography, then hg (not BIG at the first) then confirmation of hg, and the BIG at the very end.
If you started from the end, it will gives you almost nothing, than you allready know.

In each particular case, I would apply the priorities necessary for that particular case, I would not make general rules regarding priorities.

For each specific problem, use specific tools, used in a specific way.:D

Edit:Ortography.

[Andrea]

Hi, I used the Marley y dna predictor, it was written R1a1a1 and r1a-m417.
My father is sicilian, wtf? Hahahahahah

[Leto]

Hi, I used the Marley y dna predictor, it was written R1a1a1 and r1a-m417.
My father is sicilian, wtf? Hahahahahah
Weren't you female when you signed up?

We had a prominent half-Sicilian member here who was also R1a.

[Andrea]

No I am a man, however it is the first time I write on this subject; however another tool tells me that my subclave is r1a1a1b that is very present in the area under israel, how is it possible?

[Andrea]

I read online that the tool tells everyone who has taken the myheritage test results in r-2125,
and that therefore is a false positive, could someone explain to me?

[Figaro]

Bump. R1a Khaganate! I am assuming role of "h₃rḗǵs". Giddyup, boys.

:horn:

[Leto]

According to the Nevgen predictor based on the Y-37 markers I must be YP270 (a 97.9% probability). Can I safely trust it?

[Jana]

According to the Nevgen predictor based on the Y-37 markers I must be YP270 (a 97.9% probability). Can I safely trust it?

You can. Nevgen is reliable.

[zebruh]

You cannot expect everyone to have the J2 intellect... :rolleyes: