Wielbark Gothic samples on Global25!

[Token]

They're from Kowalewko in north-central Poland. Most of them look very Scandinavian as expected and they overlap a lot with Swedish Vikings.


Migration:2,0.136588,0.133034,0.078441,0.067507,0. 056626,0.025658,0.020916,0.012692,0.016566,0.00236 9,-0.017376,0.007343,-0.002379,-0.005918,0.00665,0.011535,-0.010691,0.024198,-0.003268,0.015758,0.010357,0.000618,0.002465,0.006 266,-0.003353
Migration:4,0.137726,0.129988,0.070144,0.081719,0. 045547,0.015339,0.003055,0.014076,0.005318,-0.017312,-0.015914,0.005095,-0.00892,0.001927,0.012486,0.009944,-0.015776,0.01761,-0.000628,0.007629,0.011979,0.004081,0.002465,0.024 341,0.007903
Migration:5,0.114961,0.131003,0.065619,0.04845,0.0 47701,0.01506,0.00282,0.018692,0.006136,-0.020228,-0.010718,-0.013638,-0.000595,-0.009496,0.018458,0.010342,0.014342,0.006081,-0.013324,0.004877,0.016596,-0.013107,0.001232,0.00482,0.004191
Migration:6,0.119514,0.108662,0.05242,0.042636,0.0 36007,0.001394,0.008225,0.000231,0.001636,-0.015126,-0.008119,-0.008542,-0.001041,-0.008808,0.009636,0.004641,0.025164,-0.001014,-0.013952,-0.00075,-0.005989,0.000247,-0.002711,0.012652,0.006826
Migration:7,0.127482,0.125926,0.078441,0.053295,0. 049548,0.023706,0.013631,0.006461,0.01084,-0.00893,-0.007145,0.004796,-0.011001,0.006606,0.03203,0.001326,-0.001304,0.014949,0.014204,0.008629,0.021462,-0.018301,0.000493,0.000241,-0.002275
Migration:8,0.144555,0.137096,0.06939,0.054587,0.0 18157,0.023985,0.011751,0.004154,0.002045,-0.008383,-0.014615,-0.013038,0.003419,-0.007156,0.024022,0.005569,-0.008605,-0.005954,-0.002011,0.012006,0.011854,-0.008779,-0.003944,0.024943,0.003592
Migration:9,0.140002,0.120848,0.071653,0.06783,0.0 48624,0.023148,-0.000235,0.001846,0.015544,-0.02442,-0.003897,0.01109,0.005054,-0.007569,0.035966,0.022275,0.003651,-0.010769,-0.000377,0.016383,0.007986,-0.001978,-0.004807,0.016749,-0.007784
Migration:10,0.134311,0.097491,0.074293,0.059755,0 .046778,0.021753,0.015511,0.006923,0.008385,-0.021868,-0.010068,-0.006145,-0.014569,0.00234,0.02823,0.001458,-0.007171,0.007855,-0.001634,0.013131,0.026578,0.01014,0.005669,0.0153 03,0.010179
Migration:11,0.108132,0.137096,0.070899,0.055556,0 .052933,0.020638,0.003055,0.010615,0.016975,-0.019499,0.002923,0.007943,-0.00446,-0.004404,-0.004072,0.019888,0.02021,-0.002027,-0.015461,0.01138,-0.000873,-0.007296,-0.001479,0.035547,0.011735
Migration:12,0.111547,0.12491,0.070522,0.062016,0. 042469,0.013108,0.007755,0.019384,-0.008795,-0.000364,0.007795,0.012289,-0.01115,-0.001927,0.010722,0.001193,-0.011083,0.013809,0.019357,-0.002751,0.013351,0.008903,-0.00456,0.008555,-0.022393



Distance to: Migration:12
0.04835482 Swedish
0.04873335 Dutch
0.04934223 Danish
0.05041865 Icelandic
0.05177296 Orcadian
0.05215643 Scottish
0.05273326 English
0.05289590 Afrikaner
0.05340569 Norwegian
0.05439535 English_Cornwall
0.05467516 Welsh
0.05501509 German_East
0.05510113 German
0.05601996 Shetlandic
0.05633948 Irish
0.05987794 French_Brittany
0.06072051 Czech
0.06197220 Austrian
0.06279525 Hungarian
0.06387825 Belgian
0.06515027 Slovakian
0.06573752 French_Nord
0.06598251 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06630089 French_Alsace
0.06762393 Slovenian

Distance to: Migration:11
0.06230456 Danish
0.06254790 Slovakian
0.06364311 Swedish
0.06398654 Norwegian
0.06414696 Dutch
0.06507104 Czech
0.06564473 German
0.06645266 Afrikaner
0.06707670 Shetlandic
0.06807230 Icelandic
0.06959001 Hungarian
0.06964093 Welsh
0.07019865 Austrian
0.07047753 German_East
0.07076001 English
0.07092919 Scottish
0.07095254 English_Cornwall
0.07129380 French_Brittany
0.07169434 Orcadian
0.07176209 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.07187683 Polish
0.07190592 Irish
0.07193172 Moldovan_o
0.07372869 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.07380596 Croatian

Distance to: Migration:10
0.04964445 Swedish
0.05425184 Norwegian
0.05575861 Icelandic
0.05649174 Danish
0.05749380 Finnish
0.05918960 Dutch
0.05991127 Shetlandic
0.06151458 Orcadian
0.06162400 Irish
0.06177349 Scottish
0.06317344 Ingrian
0.06437167 English
0.06558886 Welsh
0.06705453 Czech
0.06722575 English_Cornwall
0.06804909 Afrikaner
0.06875571 German
0.06928722 Finnish_East
0.07008703 German_East
0.07073335 French_Brittany
0.07152565 Cossack_Kuban
0.07236446 Russian_Kostroma
0.07307130 Karelian
0.07318453 Polish
0.07366707 Russian_Tver

Distance to: Migration:9
0.04865652 Swedish
0.05014288 Norwegian
0.05075888 Icelandic
0.05212853 Danish
0.05691346 Shetlandic
0.05735538 Irish
0.05737651 Dutch
0.05842504 Orcadian
0.05862735 Scottish
0.06124820 Welsh
0.06190164 English
0.06398022 English_Cornwall
0.06588114 Czech
0.06602432 German
0.06667662 French_Brittany
0.06890639 Afrikaner
0.06933284 Slovakian
0.06990607 German_East
0.07079894 Finnish
0.07248249 Polish
0.07363265 Cossack_Kuban
0.07501291 French_Seine-Maritime
0.07503126 Ingrian
0.07514849 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.07578082 Austrian

Distance to: Migration:8
0.04140696 Icelandic
0.04235455 Swedish
0.04306556 Danish
0.04395369 Norwegian
0.04564770 Irish
0.04703937 Scottish
0.04715331 Dutch
0.04735984 Shetlandic
0.04760793 Orcadian
0.04847632 English
0.05064946 Welsh
0.05186799 English_Cornwall
0.05201881 German
0.05340655 French_Brittany
0.05374728 German_East
0.05466438 Czech
0.05837367 Afrikaner
0.05915638 Austrian
0.06176179 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06214127 Belgian
0.06283538 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06338663 Hungarian
0.06483211 French_Nord
0.06491763 Slovakian
0.06524266 Polish

Distance to: Migration:7
0.04247837 Swedish
0.04537284 Danish
0.04678140 Icelandic
0.04951460 Orcadian
0.05007151 Dutch
0.05092950 Norwegian
0.05140138 Scottish
0.05167672 English
0.05225496 Irish
0.05282246 Welsh
0.05360428 Shetlandic
0.05402727 English_Cornwall
0.05513309 German
0.05553800 German_East
0.05710841 Afrikaner
0.05718401 Czech
0.05759996 French_Brittany
0.06284480 Austrian
0.06374579 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06455818 Polish
0.06465310 Belgian
0.06578276 Slovakian
0.06664966 Hungarian
0.06671179 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06705654 French_Nord

Distance to: Migration:6
0.05075880 Hungarian
0.05299459 Afrikaner
0.05315469 Austrian
0.05365412 Slovakian
0.05398886 Moldovan_o
0.05484094 Czech
0.05493981 German
0.05503192 Croatian
0.05622887 Dutch
0.05870127 Norwegian
0.05937388 Danish
0.05938064 Moldovan
0.05981369 Slovenian
0.05982540 Belgian
0.05988878 Swedish
0.06017237 Shetlandic
0.06022608 Cossack_Kuban
0.06089368 German_East
0.06107502 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06153654 Bosnian
0.06194531 Scottish
0.06210591 French_Brittany
0.06249478 Orcadian
0.06266357 Welsh
0.06282695 French_Nord

Distance to: Migration:5
0.04867107 Swedish
0.04875025 Danish
0.05093511 Dutch
0.05219045 German
0.05239872 Czech
0.05266228 Norwegian
0.05281855 Afrikaner
0.05328520 Icelandic
0.05505066 Slovakian
0.05514694 Orcadian
0.05578076 Welsh
0.05578664 German_East
0.05588702 Shetlandic
0.05594701 Scottish
0.05668747 Austrian
0.05673747 Irish
0.05728743 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05734440 English
0.05749970 Hungarian
0.05802611 French_Brittany
0.05933085 English_Cornwall
0.05947615 Polish
0.06137650 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.06157181 Belgian
0.06164890 Croatian

Distance to: Migration:4
0.04176711 Swedish
0.04422080 Icelandic
0.04543780 Danish
0.04700009 Norwegian
0.05133585 Shetlandic
0.05189266 Dutch
0.05266313 Orcadian
0.05343477 Irish
0.05357482 Scottish
0.05577053 English
0.05693047 German_East
0.05710721 Welsh
0.05741281 English_Cornwall
0.05957888 Czech
0.06064401 German
0.06366911 French_Brittany
0.06373161 Polish
0.06485811 Afrikaner
0.06498659 Finnish
0.06668306 Slovakian
0.06797493 Estonian
0.07008290 Russian_Smolensk
0.07014933 Ukrainian
0.07042529 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.07072532 Hungarian

Distance to: Migration:2
0.04378439 Swedish
0.04819853 Icelandic
0.04861532 Danish
0.05036351 Norwegian
0.05310254 Dutch
0.05417292 Orcadian
0.05458720 English
0.05504749 Scottish
0.05583728 Welsh
0.05609921 Irish
0.05613241 English_Cornwall
0.05744995 German_East
0.05757537 Shetlandic
0.05788708 German
0.05954278 French_Brittany
0.06006368 Czech
0.06278464 Afrikaner
0.06480187 Polish
0.06509328 Slovakian
0.06604261 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06635454 Austrian
0.06903200 Belgian
0.06942601 Hungarian
0.06990224 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.07061343 Sorb_Niederlausitz

https://i.imgur.com/T5aZnsC.png

[Token]

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0z3qzVM/Y-DNA.png (https://postimg.cc/Wqtr5gTH)


M:2 Kow_22 PCA0027 ~ 80-110/120 AD M CTS35 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z726/
M:3 Kow_24 PCA0029 ~ 10-375 AD unknown I1 or female
M:4 Kow_25 PCA0030 ~ 110/120-160 AD F
M:5 Kow_26 PCA0031 ~ 10-375 AD F
M:6 Kow_29 PCA0034 ~ 80-260 AD F
M:7 Kow_31 PCA0036 ~ 80-260 AD M FGC8303 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2a1b1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y3101/
M:8 Kow_35 PCA0040 ~ 80-260 AD M CTS12891 G2a2b2a1, conflicting downstream mutations https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS796/
M:9 Kow_41 PCA0046 ~ 110/120-160 AD M S12223 I1a3a1a2a1a~ https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S11991/
M:10 Kow_48 PCA0053 ~ 80-260 AD F
M:11 Kow_54 PCA0059 ~ 110/120-160 AD F
M:12 Kow_57 PCA0062 ~ 80-260 AD M PF3331 G2a2b2a1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS796/

[Token]

No wonder they were described as such by southerners:


"they all have white bodies and fair hair, and are tall and handsome to look upon."

"Their bodies provoked contempt in all who saw them, for they were far too big and far too heavy for their feet to carry them, and they were pinched in at the waist

[Gallop]

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.09318509 Migration:6
0.09351658 Migration:5
0.09964859 Migration:7
0.10000562 Migration:12
0.10692068 Migration:2
0.10809593 Migration:8
0.11001140 Migration:11
0.11820413 Migration:9
0.11837320 Migration:10
0.12164174 Migration:4

No está mal.

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.08716029 59.80% Migration:6 + 40.20% Migration:12
0.08766968 60.00% Migration:6 + 40.00% Migration:7
0.08924469 61.80% Migration:5 + 38.20% Migration:12
0.08942749 30.80% Migration:2 + 69.20% Migration:6
0.08982342 48.80% Migration:5 + 51.20% Migration:6
0.09196752 69.40% Migration:5 + 30.60% Migration:7
0.09202409 79.40% Migration:6 + 20.60% Migration:8
0.09272211 18.60% Migration:2 + 81.40% Migration:5
0.09301429 91.20% Migration:6 + 8.80% Migration:11
0.09326646 88.80% Migration:5 + 11.20% Migration:8
0.09523585 51.00% Migration:7 + 49.00% Migration:12
0.09542333 35.40% Migration:11 + 64.60% Migration:12
0.09563184 36.80% Migration:8 + 63.20% Migration:12
0.09597956 66.80% Migration:7 + 33.20% Migration:11
0.09753308 33.60% Migration:2 + 66.40% Migration:12
0.09801697 71.80% Migration:7 + 28.20% Migration:8
0.09890483 23.00% Migration:2 + 77.00% Migration:7
0.09910064 17.20% Migration:9 + 82.80% Migration:12
0.09951095 13.40% Migration:10 + 86.60% Migration:12
0.10166650 53.40% Migration:8 + 46.60% Migration:11
0.10175747 56.00% Migration:2 + 44.00% Migration:11
0.10206771 52.80% Migration:2 + 47.20% Migration:8
0.10568805 36.40% Migration:10 + 63.60% Migration:11
0.10598132 78.80% Migration:2 + 21.20% Migration:9
0.10625136 81.40% Migration:2 + 18.60% Migration:10

[Lucas]

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0z3qzVM/Y-DNA.png (https://postimg.cc/Wqtr5gTH)


M:2 Kow_22 PCA0027 ~ 80-110/120 AD M CTS35 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z726/
M:3 Kow_24 PCA0029 ~ 10-375 AD unknown I1 or female
M:4 Kow_25 PCA0030 ~ 110/120-160 AD F
M:5 Kow_26 PCA0031 ~ 10-375 AD F
M:6 Kow_29 PCA0034 ~ 80-260 AD F
M:7 Kow_31 PCA0036 ~ 80-260 AD M FGC8303 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2a1b1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y3101/
M:8 Kow_35 PCA0040 ~ 80-260 AD M CTS12891 G2a2b2a1, conflicting downstream mutations https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS796/
M:9 Kow_41 PCA0046 ~ 110/120-160 AD M S12223 I1a3a1a2a1a~ https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S11991/
M:10 Kow_48 PCA0053 ~ 80-260 AD F
M:11 Kow_54 PCA0059 ~ 110/120-160 AD F
M:12 Kow_57 PCA0062 ~ 80-260 AD M PF3331 G2a2b2a1 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS796/

So those with some minor Balto-Slavic drift are women.

Distance to: Migration:6
0.05075880 Hungarian
0.05299459 Afrikaner
0.05315469 Austrian
0.05365412 Slovakian
0.05398886 Moldovan_o

Target: Migration:6
Distance: 3.1787% / 0.03178658
31.4 Slovakian
19.0 Norwegian
14.4 Spanish_Soria
7.8 Macedonian
7.6 Mari
6.4 Lak
5.8 Shetlandic
2.4 Lithuanian_VA
1.8 Papuan
1.0 Ingrian
1.0 Lithuanian_SZ
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.2 Ethiopian_Ari



Distance to: Migration:5
0.04867107 Swedish
0.04875025 Danish
0.05093511 Dutch
0.05219045 German
0.05239872 Czech

Target: Migration:5
Distance: 3.7708% / 0.03770806
39.0 French_Pas-de-Calais
28.2 Lithuanian_SZ
20.0 Norwegian
4.6 Ingrian
3.0 Danish
2.4 Berber_MAR_TIZ
2.4 Rendille
0.4 Kosipe

Distance to: Migration:11
0.06230456 Danish
0.06254790 Slovakian
0.06364311 Swedish
0.06398654 Norwegian
0.06414696 Dutch

Target: Migration:11
Distance: 5.2201% / 0.05220117
49.4 Norwegian
38.0 Slovakian
5.4 Lithuanian_SZ
2.4 Estonian
2.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
1.8 Ethiopian_Anuak
0.6 Bantu_Kenya
0.2 Sengwer


Distance to: Migration:4
0.04176711 Swedish
0.04422080 Icelandic
0.04543780 Danish
0.04700009 Norwegian
0.05133585 Shetlandic


Target: Migration:4
Distance: 3.6597% / 0.03659740
76.2 Icelandic
22.2 Latvian
1.6 Koinanbe




But she is fully Germanic

Distance to: Migration:10
0.04964445 Swedish
0.05425184 Norwegian
0.05575861 Icelandic
0.05649174 Danish
0.05749380 Finnish

Target: Migration:10
Distance: 3.9415% / 0.03941492
63.6 Swedish
16.4 Finnish_East
16.2 Icelandic
2.6 Miao
1.0 Naxi
0.2 Koinanbe


So generally those women are still mainly Scandic. I'm not sure if pre-Wielbark locals were like them or it is some mixed generation. But if yes, why on women side only? So rather pre-Wielbark locals were like them.

[Token]

So those with some minro Balto-Salvic drift are women.

...

So generally those women are still mainly Scandic. I'm not sure if pre-Wielbark locals were like them or it is some mixed generation. But if yes, why on women side only? So rather pre-Wielbark locals were like them.
Indeed.

https://i.postimg.cc/ry4ndSW1/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-22.png (https://postimg.cc/py2Y45sr)

[Nurzat]

a bit of an Eastcentral Euro pull to this one:

Distance to: Migration:6
0.04448672 Hungarian:NA15207
0.04631351 Moldovan:44618757581C02
0.04657134 Croatian:Croatia_Cro198
0.04703522 German:German4
0.04720100 Afrikaner:AFR019
0.04724463 Afrikaner:AFR002
0.04769835 Hungarian:NA15199
0.04819181 Afrikaner:AFR046
0.04843139 Ukrainian:UCH945_ukrainian_Tsherk
0.04884403 Croatian:Croatia_Cro26
0.04894450 Croatian:Croatia_Cro141
0.04906981 Afrikaner:AFR001
0.04926274 Austrian:Austria16
0.04927630 German:German16
0.04945757 Austrian:Austria17
0.04991736 Slovakian:Slovakia96

[smd555]

They're from Kowalewko in north-central Poland. Most of them look very Scandinavian as expected and they overlap a lot with Swedish Vikings.


Migration:2,0.136588,0.133034,0.078441,0.067507,0. 056626,0.025658,0.020916,0.012692,0.016566,0.00236 9,-0.017376,0.007343,-0.002379,-0.005918,0.00665,0.011535,-0.010691,0.024198,-0.003268,0.015758,0.010357,0.000618,0.002465,0.006 266,-0.003353
Migration:4,0.137726,0.129988,0.070144,0.081719,0. 045547,0.015339,0.003055,0.014076,0.005318,-0.017312,-0.015914,0.005095,-0.00892,0.001927,0.012486,0.009944,-0.015776,0.01761,-0.000628,0.007629,0.011979,0.004081,0.002465,0.024 341,0.007903
Migration:5,0.114961,0.131003,0.065619,0.04845,0.0 47701,0.01506,0.00282,0.018692,0.006136,-0.020228,-0.010718,-0.013638,-0.000595,-0.009496,0.018458,0.010342,0.014342,0.006081,-0.013324,0.004877,0.016596,-0.013107,0.001232,0.00482,0.004191
Migration:6,0.119514,0.108662,0.05242,0.042636,0.0 36007,0.001394,0.008225,0.000231,0.001636,-0.015126,-0.008119,-0.008542,-0.001041,-0.008808,0.009636,0.004641,0.025164,-0.001014,-0.013952,-0.00075,-0.005989,0.000247,-0.002711,0.012652,0.006826
Migration:7,0.127482,0.125926,0.078441,0.053295,0. 049548,0.023706,0.013631,0.006461,0.01084,-0.00893,-0.007145,0.004796,-0.011001,0.006606,0.03203,0.001326,-0.001304,0.014949,0.014204,0.008629,0.021462,-0.018301,0.000493,0.000241,-0.002275
Migration:8,0.144555,0.137096,0.06939,0.054587,0.0 18157,0.023985,0.011751,0.004154,0.002045,-0.008383,-0.014615,-0.013038,0.003419,-0.007156,0.024022,0.005569,-0.008605,-0.005954,-0.002011,0.012006,0.011854,-0.008779,-0.003944,0.024943,0.003592
Migration:9,0.140002,0.120848,0.071653,0.06783,0.0 48624,0.023148,-0.000235,0.001846,0.015544,-0.02442,-0.003897,0.01109,0.005054,-0.007569,0.035966,0.022275,0.003651,-0.010769,-0.000377,0.016383,0.007986,-0.001978,-0.004807,0.016749,-0.007784
Migration:10,0.134311,0.097491,0.074293,0.059755,0 .046778,0.021753,0.015511,0.006923,0.008385,-0.021868,-0.010068,-0.006145,-0.014569,0.00234,0.02823,0.001458,-0.007171,0.007855,-0.001634,0.013131,0.026578,0.01014,0.005669,0.0153 03,0.010179
Migration:11,0.108132,0.137096,0.070899,0.055556,0 .052933,0.020638,0.003055,0.010615,0.016975,-0.019499,0.002923,0.007943,-0.00446,-0.004404,-0.004072,0.019888,0.02021,-0.002027,-0.015461,0.01138,-0.000873,-0.007296,-0.001479,0.035547,0.011735
Migration:12,0.111547,0.12491,0.070522,0.062016,0. 042469,0.013108,0.007755,0.019384,-0.008795,-0.000364,0.007795,0.012289,-0.01115,-0.001927,0.010722,0.001193,-0.011083,0.013809,0.019357,-0.002751,0.013351,0.008903,-0.00456,0.008555,-0.022393



Distance to: Migration:12
0.04835482 Swedish
0.04873335 Dutch
0.04934223 Danish
0.05041865 Icelandic
0.05177296 Orcadian
0.05215643 Scottish
0.05273326 English
0.05289590 Afrikaner
0.05340569 Norwegian
0.05439535 English_Cornwall
0.05467516 Welsh
0.05501509 German_East
0.05510113 German
0.05601996 Shetlandic
0.05633948 Irish
0.05987794 French_Brittany
0.06072051 Czech
0.06197220 Austrian
0.06279525 Hungarian
0.06387825 Belgian
0.06515027 Slovakian
0.06573752 French_Nord
0.06598251 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06630089 French_Alsace
0.06762393 Slovenian

Distance to: Migration:11
0.06230456 Danish
0.06254790 Slovakian
0.06364311 Swedish
0.06398654 Norwegian
0.06414696 Dutch
0.06507104 Czech
0.06564473 German
0.06645266 Afrikaner
0.06707670 Shetlandic
0.06807230 Icelandic
0.06959001 Hungarian
0.06964093 Welsh
0.07019865 Austrian
0.07047753 German_East
0.07076001 English
0.07092919 Scottish
0.07095254 English_Cornwall
0.07129380 French_Brittany
0.07169434 Orcadian
0.07176209 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.07187683 Polish
0.07190592 Irish
0.07193172 Moldovan_o
0.07372869 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.07380596 Croatian

Distance to: Migration:10
0.04964445 Swedish
0.05425184 Norwegian
0.05575861 Icelandic
0.05649174 Danish
0.05749380 Finnish
0.05918960 Dutch
0.05991127 Shetlandic
0.06151458 Orcadian
0.06162400 Irish
0.06177349 Scottish
0.06317344 Ingrian
0.06437167 English
0.06558886 Welsh
0.06705453 Czech
0.06722575 English_Cornwall
0.06804909 Afrikaner
0.06875571 German
0.06928722 Finnish_East
0.07008703 German_East
0.07073335 French_Brittany
0.07152565 Cossack_Kuban
0.07236446 Russian_Kostroma
0.07307130 Karelian
0.07318453 Polish
0.07366707 Russian_Tver

Distance to: Migration:9
0.04865652 Swedish
0.05014288 Norwegian
0.05075888 Icelandic
0.05212853 Danish
0.05691346 Shetlandic
0.05735538 Irish
0.05737651 Dutch
0.05842504 Orcadian
0.05862735 Scottish
0.06124820 Welsh
0.06190164 English
0.06398022 English_Cornwall
0.06588114 Czech
0.06602432 German
0.06667662 French_Brittany
0.06890639 Afrikaner
0.06933284 Slovakian
0.06990607 German_East
0.07079894 Finnish
0.07248249 Polish
0.07363265 Cossack_Kuban
0.07501291 French_Seine-Maritime
0.07503126 Ingrian
0.07514849 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.07578082 Austrian

Distance to: Migration:8
0.04140696 Icelandic
0.04235455 Swedish
0.04306556 Danish
0.04395369 Norwegian
0.04564770 Irish
0.04703937 Scottish
0.04715331 Dutch
0.04735984 Shetlandic
0.04760793 Orcadian
0.04847632 English
0.05064946 Welsh
0.05186799 English_Cornwall
0.05201881 German
0.05340655 French_Brittany
0.05374728 German_East
0.05466438 Czech
0.05837367 Afrikaner
0.05915638 Austrian
0.06176179 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06214127 Belgian
0.06283538 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06338663 Hungarian
0.06483211 French_Nord
0.06491763 Slovakian
0.06524266 Polish

Distance to: Migration:7
0.04247837 Swedish
0.04537284 Danish
0.04678140 Icelandic
0.04951460 Orcadian
0.05007151 Dutch
0.05092950 Norwegian
0.05140138 Scottish
0.05167672 English
0.05225496 Irish
0.05282246 Welsh
0.05360428 Shetlandic
0.05402727 English_Cornwall
0.05513309 German
0.05553800 German_East
0.05710841 Afrikaner
0.05718401 Czech
0.05759996 French_Brittany
0.06284480 Austrian
0.06374579 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06455818 Polish
0.06465310 Belgian
0.06578276 Slovakian
0.06664966 Hungarian
0.06671179 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06705654 French_Nord

Distance to: Migration:6
0.05075880 Hungarian
0.05299459 Afrikaner
0.05315469 Austrian
0.05365412 Slovakian
0.05398886 Moldovan_o
0.05484094 Czech
0.05493981 German
0.05503192 Croatian
0.05622887 Dutch
0.05870127 Norwegian
0.05937388 Danish
0.05938064 Moldovan
0.05981369 Slovenian
0.05982540 Belgian
0.05988878 Swedish
0.06017237 Shetlandic
0.06022608 Cossack_Kuban
0.06089368 German_East
0.06107502 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06153654 Bosnian
0.06194531 Scottish
0.06210591 French_Brittany
0.06249478 Orcadian
0.06266357 Welsh
0.06282695 French_Nord

Distance to: Migration:5
0.04867107 Swedish
0.04875025 Danish
0.05093511 Dutch
0.05219045 German
0.05239872 Czech
0.05266228 Norwegian
0.05281855 Afrikaner
0.05328520 Icelandic
0.05505066 Slovakian
0.05514694 Orcadian
0.05578076 Welsh
0.05578664 German_East
0.05588702 Shetlandic
0.05594701 Scottish
0.05668747 Austrian
0.05673747 Irish
0.05728743 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05734440 English
0.05749970 Hungarian
0.05802611 French_Brittany
0.05933085 English_Cornwall
0.05947615 Polish
0.06137650 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.06157181 Belgian
0.06164890 Croatian

Distance to: Migration:4
0.04176711 Swedish
0.04422080 Icelandic
0.04543780 Danish
0.04700009 Norwegian
0.05133585 Shetlandic
0.05189266 Dutch
0.05266313 Orcadian
0.05343477 Irish
0.05357482 Scottish
0.05577053 English
0.05693047 German_East
0.05710721 Welsh
0.05741281 English_Cornwall
0.05957888 Czech
0.06064401 German
0.06366911 French_Brittany
0.06373161 Polish
0.06485811 Afrikaner
0.06498659 Finnish
0.06668306 Slovakian
0.06797493 Estonian
0.07008290 Russian_Smolensk
0.07014933 Ukrainian
0.07042529 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.07072532 Hungarian

Distance to: Migration:2
0.04378439 Swedish
0.04819853 Icelandic
0.04861532 Danish
0.05036351 Norwegian
0.05310254 Dutch
0.05417292 Orcadian
0.05458720 English
0.05504749 Scottish
0.05583728 Welsh
0.05609921 Irish
0.05613241 English_Cornwall
0.05744995 German_East
0.05757537 Shetlandic
0.05788708 German
0.05954278 French_Brittany
0.06006368 Czech
0.06278464 Afrikaner
0.06480187 Polish
0.06509328 Slovakian
0.06604261 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06635454 Austrian
0.06903200 Belgian
0.06942601 Hungarian
0.06990224 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.07061343 Sorb_Niederlausitz



Is a distance > 0.04 large for G25?

[Token]

Is a distance > 0.04 large for G25?

It depends. These samples are relatively low quality so the distances are naturally going to be biggeer.

[Dr_Maul]

Why G2a?

[Token]

Why G2a?

That was quite a surprise indeed.

[Aren]

They don't look fully Scandinavian to me. And also really bad quality.

[Jana]

As expected they are heavily I1 and not R-U106. I always suspected eastern Germanic tribes were overwhelmingly I1 due to it's distribution in eastern Europe.
R-U106 seems to be more of a marker associated with spread of west Germanic languages.

[vbnetkhio]

So those with some minor Balto-Slavic drift are women.

Distance to: Migration:6
0.05075880 Hungarian
0.05299459 Afrikaner
0.05315469 Austrian
0.05365412 Slovakian
0.05398886 Moldovan_o

Target: Migration:6
Distance: 3.1787% / 0.03178658
31.4 Slovakian
19.0 Norwegian
14.4 Spanish_Soria
7.8 Macedonian
7.6 Mari
6.4 Lak
5.8 Shetlandic
2.4 Lithuanian_VA
1.8 Papuan
1.0 Ingrian
1.0 Lithuanian_SZ
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.2 Ethiopian_Ari



Distance to: Migration:5
0.04867107 Swedish
0.04875025 Danish
0.05093511 Dutch
0.05219045 German
0.05239872 Czech

Target: Migration:5
Distance: 3.7708% / 0.03770806
39.0 French_Pas-de-Calais
28.2 Lithuanian_SZ
20.0 Norwegian
4.6 Ingrian
3.0 Danish
2.4 Berber_MAR_TIZ
2.4 Rendille
0.4 Kosipe

Distance to: Migration:11
0.06230456 Danish
0.06254790 Slovakian
0.06364311 Swedish
0.06398654 Norwegian
0.06414696 Dutch

Target: Migration:11
Distance: 5.2201% / 0.05220117
49.4 Norwegian
38.0 Slovakian
5.4 Lithuanian_SZ
2.4 Estonian
2.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
1.8 Ethiopian_Anuak
0.6 Bantu_Kenya
0.2 Sengwer


Distance to: Migration:4
0.04176711 Swedish
0.04422080 Icelandic
0.04543780 Danish
0.04700009 Norwegian
0.05133585 Shetlandic


Target: Migration:4
Distance: 3.6597% / 0.03659740
76.2 Icelandic
22.2 Latvian
1.6 Koinanbe




But she is fully Germanic

Distance to: Migration:10
0.04964445 Swedish
0.05425184 Norwegian
0.05575861 Icelandic
0.05649174 Danish
0.05749380 Finnish

Target: Migration:10
Distance: 3.9415% / 0.03941492
63.6 Swedish
16.4 Finnish_East
16.2 Icelandic
2.6 Miao
1.0 Naxi
0.2 Koinanbe


So generally those women are still mainly Scandic. I'm not sure if pre-Wielbark locals were like them or it is some mixed generation. But if yes, why on women side only? So rather pre-Wielbark locals were like them.

Migration:2 looks pulled towards Tollensee samples if you plot them together.
so maybe they absorbed a pre-Wielbark population which was similar to Tollensee?

[Lucas]

BTW Michał from Anthrogenica, posted it on other Polish forum.

Google translation:

It is very unlikely that such strongly Scandinavian (or in fact "Swedish") autosomal individuals will have all the Y chromosomes inherited from non-Scandinavian ancestors of local origin (ie of Oxywan, Przeworsk or Pomeranian origin). If these were some closely related male lines belonging to the same, not too old, G2a subclad, it could all be explained by the fact that these men belonged to some specific clan originating from Scandinavia, i.e. I mean something like a local founder effect (perhaps still in the homeland of the Goths in Scandinavia). Maybe it was just like that and maybe all four G2a men from Kowalewko belong to the same subclass below G2a-CTS796 >> Z726 >> Y3101 only not everywhere could it be confirmed by finding the appropriate SNP mutations. One would have to check if there are any results in the raw data that exclude the belonging of these men to the same G2a-Y3101 subclad (if not, they could actually be very closely related lines / people). After all, it's about four men from the same cemetery.

[vbnetkhio]

on a PCA based on WHG, EEF and Steppe, samples 7 and 2 have increased whg compared to all other BA/IA Scandinavian samples and plot with Tollense.
this can't be seen on a PCA based on modern drifts.

https://i.imgur.com/ZHxbpxu.png

on a pca with more recent drifts, the female samples 5, 6 and 11 are outliers. as Lucas and Token already noticed.

https://i.imgur.com/keVgrk4.png

could this be just because of the low quality of the samples?

[vbnetkhio]

this is the first model which gets picked for the Iberian Goths (average without the outlier which looks like a local Iberian ) , full sheet, reduce 2 populations,:

Target: Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
Distance: 1.3689% / 0.01368919 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
68.8 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
31.2 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky

just by removing ITA_Rome_Renaissance, this is the next model I got. (Goth - average of all Kowalewko samples)

Target: Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
Distance: 1.3809% / 0.01380901 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.6 Goth
33.4 BGR_IA

They obviously mixed with Dacians or Moesians before coming to Iberia. This would also mean either Dacians or Moesians were still like BGR_IA in the 4/5th century.

[Rethel]

As expected they are heavily I1 and not R-U106. I always suspected eastern Germanic tribes were overwhelmingly I1 due to it's distribution in eastern Europe.
R-U106 seems to be more of a marker associated with spread of west Germanic languages.

Too few samples to make conclusions like that.

[vbnetkhio]

the Chernyakhiv samples look like a massive mix of Goths, Scythians and all kinds of neighbouring populations.

Target: UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky:MJ37
Distance: 2.2804% / 0.02280409
44.0 Dacian/Thracian
28.8 Goth_Kowalewko
14.2 Baltic_EST_BA
11.6 Sarmatian_KAZ_Aigyrly
0.8 Scythian_UKR
0.6 HUN_Mako_EBA

Target: UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
Distance: 2.8456% / 0.02845629
36.2 Scythian_UKR
25.8 Goth_Kowalewko
18.6 Baltic_EST_BA
12.4 Dacian/Thracian
6.8 Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka
0.2 Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus

[Ion Basescul]

Migration:6 is Balkan mixed?

Distance to: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
0.03713259 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky:MJ37
0.05056589 Migration:6
0.06110733 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
0.07226973 Migration:5
0.08195554 Migration:11
0.08366696 Migration:12
0.08440195 Migration:8
0.08708099 Migration:7
0.09126075 Migration:10
0.09183847 Migration:2
0.09571984 Migration:4
0.09634304 Migration:9



Target: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 3.3815% / 0.03381526
67.6 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky:MJ37
18.8 Migration:6
8.8 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
4.8 Migration:12

[TeutonicBoyars]

Indeed.

https://i.postimg.cc/ry4ndSW1/Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-22.png (https://postimg.cc/py2Y45sr)

Why use the North Europe PCA and not one of the general European ones? I'd like to see how they compare with a wider population.

[Lucas]

the Chernyakhiv samples look like a massive mix of Goths, Scythians and all kinds of neighbouring populations.

Target: UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky:MJ37
Distance: 2.2804% / 0.02280409
44.0 Dacian/Thracian
28.8 Goth_Kowalewko
14.2 Baltic_EST_BA
11.6 Sarmatian_KAZ_Aigyrly
0.8 Scythian_UKR
0.6 HUN_Mako_EBA



What is Thracian/Dacian here?

[vbnetkhio]

What is Thracian/Dacian here?

Moldovan Scythians, minus 301 and 311 , plus MJ12
Scythian UKR are just MJ16, 34, 35, 46 and scy011.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Moldovan Scythians, minus 301 and 311 , plus MJ12
Scythian UKR are just MJ16, 34, 35, 46 and scy011.
Thank you for taking out outliers, so many people don't. Good man. :thumbs: