Are Croats genetically Central or Southeast Europeans?

[Florin2000]

I've used Polish-Italian fits (pic related) for all Croatian regions and it's pretty varying.. in my opinion, south and west croats are "Balkan" aka SE's while north and east Croats are central euros. What do you think about this, especially Croats?
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[Florin2000]

One more interesting fit i have used is Romania-Czech, and pretty much only northern croats are much closer to Czechians. So to the contrary most croats are infact some kind of a balkan-central euro mutt mix?
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[Blondie]

central by far

[Florin2000]

central by far

I wouldn't really say central since genetically south and west croats are closer to us than czechians for example. But north croats are definitely central from what i can see, arguable for east croats since i see they are almost 50-50 compared to romania-czech fits.

[Florin2000]

central by far

Look at Bosniak_Bosnia-Slovene fit, only north croats are closer to slovenes.
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[Florin2000]

Interestingly, Greek-Polish comparison with all Croatian regions is almost identical to that of Italian-Polish comparison (source K13 calculator.)
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[Tooting Carmen]

Intermediate?

[Florin2000]

Intermediate?

As I can see from pictures above, that is true for south, west and east croats. But I wanna hear some croat opinions about this.

[Jana]

There is no homogenous central European or Balkan genetics.

[Ayetooey]

Dalmatian/Herzegovina Croats closer to SE Euros (Bosnians, some Serbs), North Croats closer to Central, Lika/Slavonia intermediate. No Croat region is close to paleo/south Balkanites on average however.

[Jana]

double

[Florin2000]

There is no homogenous central European or Balkan genetics.

from genetic POV, central euro and SE euro groups are a thing. From genetic differences i've seen, i don't consider south, west and east croats as central euros anymore, but rather some kind of a "mix". Especially given the fact south and west croats are closer to romanians than czechians, and we are considered as "gypsies" by many of Croats.

[Florin2000]

There is no homogenous central European or Balkan genetics.

from genetic POV, central euro and SE euro groups are a thing. From genetic differences i've seen, i don't consider south, west and east croats as central euros anymore, but rather some kind of a "mix". Especially given the fact south and west croats are closer to romanians than czechians, and we are considered as "gypsies" by many of Croats...

[Florin2000]

There is no homogenous central European or Balkan genetics.

from genetic POV, central euro and SE euro groups are a thing. From genetic differences i've seen, i don't consider south, west and east croats as central euros anymore, but rather some kind of a "mix". Especially given the fact south and west croats are closer to romanians than czechians, and we are considered as "gypsies" by many of Croats.

[Jana]

I mean, what is CE genetics? Poles aren't like Germans and neither are like Hungarians. All of them are CE. What's Balkan genetics? Bosniaks aren't like Greeks and neither are like Balkan Turks, all of them are SEE.

But in general I agree with Ayetooey's comment. South Croats are closest to Bosniaks and western Serbs (and Moldovans), North and central Croats to Slovenes and Magyars, east Croats are like Bosnians with extra Slavic shift while western Croats is problematic, because it's made of few different regions with different history. Istrians are pretty southern with lot of Dalmatian/Herzegovian and even Montenegrin roots, plus old Italian/Romance influence, Primorci should be more like Slovenians (but this region is very undersampled) while Gorani are closest to Hungarian average with significant German/Slovenian influence.

[Florin2000]

There is no homogenous central European or Balkan genetics.

From genetic POV, central euro and SE euro groups exist. And as far as I can see, south, west and east croats aren't really central, with west and south croats being closer to Romanians than czechians genetically despite a lot of you calling us "gypsies".

[Jana]

From genetic POV, central euro and SE euro groups exist. And as far as I can see, south, west and east croats aren't really central, with west and south croats being closer to Romanians than czechians genetically despite a lot of you calling us "gypsies".

False. Swiss are very different from Poles, so are Bosniaks from Greeks.
No Croatian region is particulary close to Romanian average.

macro regions

Distance to: Croat_North

1.69212884 Slovenian
2.01663085 Hungarian
3.99733661 Slovak
5.43480450 Ruthenian
5.94063970 Czech
7.03666825 Bosniak
8.68316762 Austrian
9.15263896 Moldovan
9.55408290 Sorb
9.62912249 Serb
13.05300732 Ukrainian
13.55737807 Polish
13.72774198 Montenegrin
13.74052765 Romanian
14.88069891 German
16.68552067 Swiss
17.16981072 Russian
17.17029994 Bulgarian
17.63505600 Belorussian
17.92525035 Pomak
19.45851228 Belgian
20.38321859 Macedonian
21.02996909 Swedish
21.08388958 Finnish
21.29855159 Estonian

Distance to: Croat_West

3.87294462 Hungarian
4.05176505 Bosniak
5.46030219 Serb
5.62920954 Slovenian
5.85261480 Moldovan
8.04033581 Ruthenian
8.48030660 Slovak
9.34373587 Montenegrin
9.39846796 Romanian
10.25081948 Austrian
10.34246102 Czech
12.78418163 Bulgarian
13.67821991 Pomak
13.84772183 Sorb
15.24261461 Swiss
15.89771367 Macedonian
16.37847062 German
16.57418776 Ukrainian
17.34119950 Aromanian
17.79751106 Polish
19.94752115 Belgian
20.26152265 Torbesh
20.29480722 Albanian
20.84562544 Russian
21.46132102 Belorussian

Distance to: Croat_East

3.71635574 Bosniak
4.67907042 Ruthenian
4.74527133 Hungarian
5.78106392 Slovenian
5.79076852 Moldovan
6.89806495 Slovak
7.11838465 Serb
9.43991525 Czech
11.29532204 Romanian
11.69960256 Montenegrin
12.03146292 Sorb
12.22098196 Austrian
13.26530814 Ukrainian
14.59044893 Bulgarian
14.90035570 Pomak
15.10814681 Polish
17.53339100 Russian
18.19760424 Macedonian
18.44157260 German
18.49714032 Belorussian
18.69069822 Swiss
19.49212918 Aromanian
21.02414326 Tatar
21.94981777 Erzya_Mordovian
22.69476812 Belgian

Distance to: Croat_South

1.86737784 Bosniak
3.66245819 Moldovan
3.70896212 Serb
5.68022887 Hungarian
7.35920512 Slovenian
8.00011875 Ruthenian
8.01653915 Romanian
8.26583934 Montenegrin
9.66985522 Slovak
11.39943858 Bulgarian
11.92255845 Czech
11.99524906 Pomak
12.41025382 Austrian
14.79727002 Macedonian
15.10670381 Sorb
16.21671668 Aromanian
16.68921208 Swiss
16.68947573 Ukrainian
18.43987256 Polish
18.58405230 German
19.29085794 Torbesh
19.33887536 Albanian
20.95096656 Russian
21.86864422 Greek
21.97040737 Belorussian

[Florin2000]

Ignore multiplied comments, the site was bugging

And what i said is that west and south croats are closer to romanians than czechians, dont deflect. 107188 107188

[Florin2000]

False. Swiss are very different from Poles, so are Bosniaks from Greeks.
No Croatian region is particulary close to Romanian average.

macro regions

Distance to: Croat_North

1.69212884 Slovenian
2.01663085 Hungarian
3.99733661 Slovak
5.43480450 Ruthenian
5.94063970 Czech
7.03666825 Bosniak
8.68316762 Austrian
9.15263896 Moldovan
9.55408290 Sorb
9.62912249 Serb
13.05300732 Ukrainian
13.55737807 Polish
13.72774198 Montenegrin
13.74052765 Romanian
14.88069891 German
16.68552067 Swiss
17.16981072 Russian
17.17029994 Bulgarian
17.63505600 Belorussian
17.92525035 Pomak
19.45851228 Belgian
20.38321859 Macedonian
21.02996909 Swedish
21.08388958 Finnish
21.29855159 Estonian

Distance to: Croat_West

3.87294462 Hungarian
4.05176505 Bosniak
5.46030219 Serb
5.62920954 Slovenian
5.85261480 Moldovan
8.04033581 Ruthenian
8.48030660 Slovak
9.34373587 Montenegrin
9.39846796 Romanian
10.25081948 Austrian
10.34246102 Czech
12.78418163 Bulgarian
13.67821991 Pomak
13.84772183 Sorb
15.24261461 Swiss
15.89771367 Macedonian
16.37847062 German
16.57418776 Ukrainian
17.34119950 Aromanian
17.79751106 Polish
19.94752115 Belgian
20.26152265 Torbesh
20.29480722 Albanian
20.84562544 Russian
21.46132102 Belorussian

Distance to: Croat_East

3.71635574 Bosniak
4.67907042 Ruthenian
4.74527133 Hungarian
5.78106392 Slovenian
5.79076852 Moldovan
6.89806495 Slovak
7.11838465 Serb
9.43991525 Czech
11.29532204 Romanian
11.69960256 Montenegrin
12.03146292 Sorb
12.22098196 Austrian
13.26530814 Ukrainian
14.59044893 Bulgarian
14.90035570 Pomak
15.10814681 Polish
17.53339100 Russian
18.19760424 Macedonian
18.44157260 German
18.49714032 Belorussian
18.69069822 Swiss
19.49212918 Aromanian
21.02414326 Tatar
21.94981777 Erzya_Mordovian
22.69476812 Belgian

Distance to: Croat_South

1.86737784 Bosniak
3.66245819 Moldovan
3.70896212 Serb
5.68022887 Hungarian
7.35920512 Slovenian
8.00011875 Ruthenian
8.01653915 Romanian
8.26583934 Montenegrin
9.66985522 Slovak
11.39943858 Bulgarian
11.92255845 Czech
11.99524906 Pomak
12.41025382 Austrian
14.79727002 Macedonian
15.10670381 Sorb
16.21671668 Aromanian
16.68921208 Swiss
16.68947573 Ukrainian
18.43987256 Polish
18.58405230 German
19.29085794 Torbesh
19.33887536 Albanian
20.95096656 Russian
21.86864422 Greek
21.97040737 Belorussian

1.38958206 47.60% Czech + 52.40% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_South
1.93530358 39.80% Czech + 60.20% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_East
3.44800910 55.00% Czech + 45.00% Romania_average

This is what i implied.

[Florin2000]

False. Swiss are very different from Poles, so are Bosniaks from Greeks.
No Croatian region is particulary close to Romanian average.

macro regions

Distance to: Croat_North

1.69212884 Slovenian
2.01663085 Hungarian
3.99733661 Slovak
5.43480450 Ruthenian
5.94063970 Czech
7.03666825 Bosniak
8.68316762 Austrian
9.15263896 Moldovan
9.55408290 Sorb
9.62912249 Serb
13.05300732 Ukrainian
13.55737807 Polish
13.72774198 Montenegrin
13.74052765 Romanian
14.88069891 German
16.68552067 Swiss
17.16981072 Russian
17.17029994 Bulgarian
17.63505600 Belorussian
17.92525035 Pomak
19.45851228 Belgian
20.38321859 Macedonian
21.02996909 Swedish
21.08388958 Finnish
21.29855159 Estonian

Distance to: Croat_West

3.87294462 Hungarian
4.05176505 Bosniak
5.46030219 Serb
5.62920954 Slovenian
5.85261480 Moldovan
8.04033581 Ruthenian
8.48030660 Slovak
9.34373587 Montenegrin
9.39846796 Romanian
10.25081948 Austrian
10.34246102 Czech
12.78418163 Bulgarian
13.67821991 Pomak
13.84772183 Sorb
15.24261461 Swiss
15.89771367 Macedonian
16.37847062 German
16.57418776 Ukrainian
17.34119950 Aromanian
17.79751106 Polish
19.94752115 Belgian
20.26152265 Torbesh
20.29480722 Albanian
20.84562544 Russian
21.46132102 Belorussian

Distance to: Croat_East

3.71635574 Bosniak
4.67907042 Ruthenian
4.74527133 Hungarian
5.78106392 Slovenian
5.79076852 Moldovan
6.89806495 Slovak
7.11838465 Serb
9.43991525 Czech
11.29532204 Romanian
11.69960256 Montenegrin
12.03146292 Sorb
12.22098196 Austrian
13.26530814 Ukrainian
14.59044893 Bulgarian
14.90035570 Pomak
15.10814681 Polish
17.53339100 Russian
18.19760424 Macedonian
18.44157260 German
18.49714032 Belorussian
18.69069822 Swiss
19.49212918 Aromanian
21.02414326 Tatar
21.94981777 Erzya_Mordovian
22.69476812 Belgian

Distance to: Croat_South

1.86737784 Bosniak
3.66245819 Moldovan
3.70896212 Serb
5.68022887 Hungarian
7.35920512 Slovenian
8.00011875 Ruthenian
8.01653915 Romanian
8.26583934 Montenegrin
9.66985522 Slovak
11.39943858 Bulgarian
11.92255845 Czech
11.99524906 Pomak
12.41025382 Austrian
14.79727002 Macedonian
15.10670381 Sorb
16.21671668 Aromanian
16.68921208 Swiss
16.68947573 Ukrainian
18.43987256 Polish
18.58405230 German
19.29085794 Torbesh
19.33887536 Albanian
20.95096656 Russian
21.86864422 Greek
21.97040737 Belorussian

1.38958206 47.60% Czech + 52.40% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_South
1.93530358 39.80% Czech + 60.20% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_East
3.44800910 55.00% Czech + 45.00% Romania_average

This is what i implied.

[Jana]

Ignore multiplied comments, the site was bugging

And what i said is that west and south croats are closer to romanians than czechians, dont deflect. 107188 107188

So? South Croats definitely have nothing to do with central Europe, but they are still genetically closer to Hungarians, Slovenians and Rusyns than to Romanians (and west Croats to Slovaks).
It's insult to call southern Croats CE, they are proud of belong culturally Med and Dinaric.

[Florin2000]

1.38958206 47.60% Czech + 52.40% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_South
1.93530358 39.80% Czech + 60.20% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_East
3.44800910 55.00% Czech + 45.00% Romania_average

This is what i implied.

Distance to: Croat_West
1.38958206 47.60% Czech + 52.40% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_South
1.93530358 39.80% Czech + 60.20% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_East
3.44800910 55.00% Czech + 45.00% Romania_average

[Varda]

There is no homogenous central European or Balkan genetics.

Serbs, Macedonians and Albanians are homegenous genetically.
Bulgarians, Romanians, Greeks, Bosniaks and Croatians are diverse. Especially Greeks, they are diverse as fuck by regions.

[Jana]

Serbs, Macedonians and Albanians are homegenous genetically.
Bulgarians, Romanians, Greeks, Bosniaks and Croatians are diverse. Especially Greeks, they are diverse as fuck by regions.

Not really. Genetic distance between Bosnian and south Montenegrin Serbs is larger than between northern and southern Croats.

Distance to: Serb_Bosnia

1.71099386 Serb_Croatia
2.28024122 Serb_Serbia_West
2.85804129 Serb_Serbia_Central
3.19640423 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.93532718 Serb_Herzegovina
4.28659539 Serb_Serbia_South
7.18845602 Serb_Southern_Montenegro

Distance to: Croat_North

4.16888474 Croat_East
4.61411963 Croat_West
6.02959368 Croat_South

[Defcon2]

Croats show more affinity for central Europeans, except for Slovakia, which has a particular genetics.

Distance to: Croatian
0.01067506 Slovenian
0.01134400 Hungarian
0.01672726 Bosnian
0.01960292 Austrian
0.02166511 Moldovan
0.02391208 Czech
0.02514718 Serbian
0.02786787 Montenegrin
0.02792097 German_East
0.03156244 Slovakian
0.03283050 German
0.03549875 Romanian
0.03871632 Polish
0.03881577 French_Alsace
0.04040920 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04088492 Macedonian
0.04104192 Ukrainian
0.04255732 French_Nord
0.04454084 Swiss_German
0.04454664 Belgian
0.04491243 Bulgarian
0.04804032 Dutch
0.04859600 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04894307 Italian_Northeast
0.04909010 Russian_Voronez

[Florin2000]

Croats show more affinity for central Europeans, except for Slovakia, which has a particular genetics.

Distance to: Croatian
0.01067506 Slovenian
0.01134400 Hungarian
0.01672726 Bosnian
0.01960292 Austrian
0.02166511 Moldovan
0.02391208 Czech
0.02514718 Serbian
0.02786787 Montenegrin
0.02792097 German_East
0.03156244 Slovakian
0.03283050 German
0.03549875 Romanian
0.03871632 Polish
0.03881577 French_Alsace
0.04040920 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04088492 Macedonian
0.04104192 Ukrainian
0.04255732 French_Nord
0.04454084 Swiss_German
0.04454664 Belgian
0.04491243 Bulgarian
0.04804032 Dutch
0.04859600 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04894307 Italian_Northeast
0.04909010 Russian_Voronez

This g25 average makes ZERO sense, when you look at regional data most croats are closer to bosniaks than slovenes.
Distance to: Croat_West
3.97306245 40.80% Slovenian + 59.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_South
3.97304822 8.00% Slovenian + 92.00% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_North
0.46408607 75.80% Slovenian + 24.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_East
1.14603300 15.80% Slovenian + 84.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

[Florin2000]

Croats show more affinity for central Europeans, except for Slovakia, which has a particular genetics.

Distance to: Croatian
0.01067506 Slovenian
0.01134400 Hungarian
0.01672726 Bosnian
0.01960292 Austrian
0.02166511 Moldovan
0.02391208 Czech
0.02514718 Serbian
0.02786787 Montenegrin
0.02792097 German_East
0.03156244 Slovakian
0.03283050 German
0.03549875 Romanian
0.03871632 Polish
0.03881577 French_Alsace
0.04040920 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04088492 Macedonian
0.04104192 Ukrainian
0.04255732 French_Nord
0.04454084 Swiss_German
0.04454664 Belgian
0.04491243 Bulgarian
0.04804032 Dutch
0.04859600 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04894307 Italian_Northeast
0.04909010 Russian_Voronez

This g25 average makes ZERO sense, when you look at regional data most croats are closer to bosniaks than slovenes.
Distance to: Croat_West
3.97306245 40.80% Slovenian + 59.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_South
3.97304822 8.00% Slovenian + 92.00% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_North
0.46408607 75.80% Slovenian + 24.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_East
1.14603300 15.80% Slovenian + 84.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

[Florin2000]

This g25 average makes ZERO sense, when you look at regional data most croats are closer to bosniaks than slovenes.
Distance to: Croat_West
3.97306245 40.80% Slovenian + 59.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_South
3.97304822 8.00% Slovenian + 92.00% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_North
0.46408607 75.80% Slovenian + 24.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_East
1.14603300 15.80% Slovenian + 84.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

And 2 croatian groups are even closer to us than czechians

Distance to: Croat_West
1.38958206 47.60% Czech + 52.40% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_South
1.93530358 39.80% Czech + 60.20% Romania_average

Distance to: Croat_East
3.44800910 55.00% Czech + 45.00% Romania_average

[Jana]

This g25 average makes ZERO sense, when you look at regional data most croats are closer to bosniaks than slovenes.
Distance to: Croat_West
3.97306245 40.80% Slovenian + 59.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_South
3.97304822 8.00% Slovenian + 92.00% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_North
0.46408607 75.80% Slovenian + 24.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_East
1.14603300 15.80% Slovenian + 84.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Bosniak_Bosnia average is 35% Baltic and more Slavic than all Croatian and Slovenian averages. It's much closer to west Ukrainians and Slovaks than to Romanians (excluding Moldovans).

[vbnetkhio]

This g25 average makes ZERO sense, when you look at regional data most croats are closer to bosniaks than slovenes.
Distance to: Croat_West
3.97306245 40.80% Slovenian + 59.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_South
3.97304822 8.00% Slovenian + 92.00% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_North
0.46408607 75.80% Slovenian + 24.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_East
1.14603300 15.80% Slovenian + 84.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

the Croat sample is ok, the problem is in the ones it's being compared to.
Slovenian sample includes 2 bosnians, when you remove them there's only 3 samples left.

[Jana]

the Croat sample is ok, the problem is in the ones it's being compared to.
Slovenian sample includes 2 bosnians, when you remove them there's only 3 samples left.

You're confusing G25 and K13. K13 Slovenian average is good, G25 sucks as usual.

[vbnetkhio]

You're confusing G125 and K13. K13 Slovenian sample is good, G25 sucks as usual.

i'm talking about G25. he said the G25 Croatian average sucks, I replied to that

[Jana]

Anway, I smell a sock, either of that sewer subhuman who's been terrorizing TA or Deymark/IncelSlayer. Otherwise I don't see why would some random Romanian be so passionate about Croatian genetics.

[Jana]

i'm talking about G25. he said the G25 Croatian average sucks, I replied to that

It's representative for Zagreb, hardly for southern Croats for example. G25 is very poor when it comes to modern averages, I don't know why is anyone using it.

[vbnetkhio]

It's representative for Zagreb, hardly for southern Croats for example. G25 is very poor when it comes to modern averages, I don't know why is anyone using it.

those samples are actually between north and south Croats, so they are ok for the country average. not worst one in g25 for sure. that's all I wanted to say.

[Florin2000]

those samples are actually between north and south Croats, so they are ok for the country average. not worst one in g25 for sure. that's all I wanted to say.

On that g25 croats are MUCH closer to czechians than us romanians while on k13:

Distance to:Croat_West
1.3895820647. 60% Czech + 52.40% Romania_average

Distanceto:Croat_South
1.9353035839. 80% Czech + 60.20% Romania_average

Distanceto:Croat_East
3.44800910 55.00% Czech + 45.00% Romania_average

Romania and czech should somewhere be equally close to croats

[Jana]

On that g25 croats are MUCH closer to czechians than us romanians while on k13:

Distance to:Croat_West
1.3895820647.60% Czech + 52.40% Romania_average

Distanceto:Croat_South
1.9353035839.80% Czech + 60.20% Romania_average

Distanceto:Croat_East
3.4480091055.00% Czech + 45.00% Romania_average

Romania and czech should somewhere be equally close to croats

Because it is based on academic samples from the capital. G25 is irrelevant.

Croatian average on K13 looks like this and there is nothing more representative on the internet. Now move on.

Distance to: Croat

3.16545415 Hungarian
3.99929994 Bosniak
4.57471311 Slovenian
6.08443917 Ruthenian
6.12621417 Moldovan
6.55004580 Serb
6.84653197 Slovak
9.03887714 Czech
10.46030114 Austrian
10.74496161 Romanian
10.85993554 Montenegrin
12.32491785 Sorb
14.15612588 Bulgarian
14.64530300 Ukrainian
14.82002362 Pomak
15.93749667 Polish
16.57415760 Swiss
16.73349635 German
17.48062642 Macedonian
18.89682778 Russian
18.90375095 Aromanian
19.67000508 Belorussian
20.76189298 Belgian
21.91197618 Torbesh
21.95903459 Albanian

[Florin2000]

Because it is based on academic samples from the capital. G25 is irrelevant.

Croatian average on K13 looks like this and there is nothing more representative on the internet. Now move on.

Distance to: Croat

3.16545415 Hungarian
3.99929994 Bosniak
4.57471311 Slovenian
6.08443917 Ruthenian
6.12621417 Moldovan
6.55004580 Serb
6.84653197 Slovak
9.03887714 Czech
10.46030114 Austrian
10.74496161 Romanian
10.85993554 Montenegrin
12.32491785 Sorb
14.15612588 Bulgarian
14.64530300 Ukrainian
14.82002362 Pomak
15.93749667 Polish
16.57415760 Swiss
16.73349635 German
17.48062642 Macedonian
18.89682778 Russian
18.90375095 Aromanian
19.67000508 Belorussian
20.76189298 Belgian
21.91197618 Torbesh
21.95903459 Albanian

Oh, so basically north croats are the most mediterrenian central euro group while south croats are the most slavic SE Euro group.

And i'm discussing GENETICS on a genetics forum, don't pretend dumb

[Varda]

Not really. Genetic distance between Bosnian and south Montenegrin Serbs is larger than between northern and southern Croats.

Distance to: Serb_Bosnia

1.71099386 Serb_Croatia
2.28024122 Serb_Serbia_West
2.85804129 Serb_Serbia_Central
3.19640423 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.93532718 Serb_Herzegovina
4.28659539 Serb_Serbia_South
7.18845602 Serb_Southern_Montenegro

Distance to: Croat_North

4.16888474 Croat_East
4.61411963 Croat_West
6.02959368 Croat_South

Except Montenegrin, other Serbian regional averages are pretty close to each other for geographical positions.

[michal3141]

Much closer to Central Europeans:



> getMonte('Global25_PCA_modern_pop_averages_scaled. txt', 'croatian.txt')
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Croatian1 Slovenian
0.000000 1.067460
Hungarian Bosnian
1.134427 1.672680
Austrian Moldovan
1.960290 2.166572
Czech Montenegrin
2.391222 2.786818
German_East Serbian
2.792090 2.945492
Slovakian German
3.156167 3.283071
Moldovan_o Romanian
3.375136 3.549883
Polish French_Alsace
3.871588 3.881642
French_Seine-Maritime Macedonian
4.040990 4.088505
Ukrainian Sorb_Niederlausitz
4.104130 4.161805
French_Nord Afrikaner
4.255680 4.268928
Swiss_German Belgian
4.454082 4.454664
Bulgarian Cossack_Ukrainian
4.491283 4.776848
Dutch French_Pas-de-Calais
4.804008 4.859587
Italian_Northeast Danish
4.894369 4.909013
Russian_Voronez Russian_Orel
4.909034 4.956550
Swedish French_Brittany
5.074022 5.116879
French_Paris Welsh
5.124706 5.126809
English Russian_Kursk
5.286875 5.317355
Gagauz Orcadian
5.337862 5.360030
Shetlandic English_Cornwall
5.402688 5.403202
Scottish French_Auvergne
5.407126 5.471634
Russian_Smolensk French_Occitanie
5.478433 5.513220
Swiss_French French_Provence
5.562770 5.672239
Norwegian Belarusian
5.707587 5.754613
Irish Icelandic
5.815646 5.834242
Italian_Aosta_Valley Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
5.965089 6.086205
Russian_Tver Italian_Veneto
6.228350 6.249305
Lithuanian_PA Turkish_Deliorman
6.432344 6.475874
Spanish_Mallorca Spanish_Barcelones
6.536331 6.555886
Cossack_Kuban Spanish_Penedes
6.559861 6.580714
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona Spanish_Girona
6.640353 6.666465
Spanish_Catalunya_Central Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
6.749076 6.829002
Lithuanian_VA Spanish_Baleares
6.838477 6.952172
Swiss_Italian Spanish_Lleida
6.979582 7.000303
Greek_Central_Macedonia Spanish_Cataluna
7.006058 7.014193
Spanish_Eivissa Italian_Liguria
7.082113 7.085859
Italian_Bergamo Spanish_Menorca
7.102906 7.169445
Spanish_Pirineu Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
7.202621 7.227043
Albanian Spanish_Valencia
7.246088 7.308423
Spanish_Galicia Mordovian
7.336018 7.349533
Italian_Piedmont Russian_Kostroma
7.355394 7.414240
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon Spanish_Alacant
7.431450 7.450141
Spanish_Castello Lithuanian_RA
7.451902 7.556561
Spanish_Murcia Spanish_Cantabria
7.561934 7.580572
Italian_Lombardy Estonian
7.584761 7.620498
French_South Lithuanian_VZ
7.631925 7.633164
Spanish_Extremadura Portuguese
7.660893 7.661681
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha Greek_Thessaly
7.694295 7.694866
Spanish_Aragon Spanish_Andalucia
7.707725 7.722591
Spanish_Soria Finnish
7.899881 7.930780
Ingrian Spanish_Asturias
8.037486 8.102866
Spanish_Pais_Vasco Spanish_Navarra
8.209146 8.246412
Italian_Tuscany Lithuanian_SZ
8.267578 8.303700
Basque_French Lithuanian_PZ
8.408577 8.428057
Turkish_Rumeli Latvian
8.512470 8.667915
French_Corsica Spanish_La_Rioja
8.777378 8.879403
Italian_Marche Basque_Spanish
8.953452 9.068525
Roma_Barcelona Italian_Umbria
9.079932 9.148326
Karelian Greek_Peloponnese
9.373934 9.376037
Spanish_Canarias Vepsian
9.430798 9.556987
Finnish_East Italian_Lazio
9.705783 9.716979
Greek_Izmir Italian_Molise
9.806350 9.811195
Italian_Abruzzo Sicilian_West
9.965946 10.161595
Russian_Pinega Italian_Apulia
10.365211 10.530874
Ashkenazi_Russia Ashkenazi_Ukraine
10.567550 10.623288
Tatar_Mishar Italian_Basilicata
10.635733 10.677041
Ashkenazi_Belarussia Ashkenazi_Lithuania
10.688407 10.879337
Sicilian_East Ashkenazi_Poland
10.968306 11.009799
Italian_Campania Maltese
11.208039 11.303308
Roma_Madrid Italian_Calabria
11.478489 11.598267
Turkish_Istanbul Greek_Crete
11.675169 11.750794

[Jana]

Except Montenegrin, other Serbian regional averages are pretty close to each other for geographical positions.

Yes, agree.

[Defcon2]

Because it is based on academic samples from the capital. G25 is irrelevant.

Croatian average on K13 looks like this and there is nothing more representative on the internet. Now move on.

Distance to: Croat

3.16545415 Hungarian
3.99929994 Bosniak
4.57471311 Slovenian
6.08443917 Ruthenian
6.12621417 Moldovan
6.55004580 Serb
6.84653197 Slovak
9.03887714 Czech
10.46030114 Austrian
10.74496161 Romanian
10.85993554 Montenegrin
12.32491785 Sorb
14.15612588 Bulgarian
14.64530300 Ukrainian
14.82002362 Pomak
15.93749667 Polish
16.57415760 Swiss
16.73349635 German
17.48062642 Macedonian
18.89682778 Russian
18.90375095 Aromanian
19.67000508 Belorussian
20.76189298 Belgian
21.91197618 Torbesh
21.95903459 Albanian

There is not so much difference compared to the Croatian G25 average, what is wrong with it?

The distances are even more absurd in the case of K13, for example the distance difference between Croatia-Hungary and Austria-Croatia.

[Jana]

Oh, so basically north croats are the most mediterrenian central euro group while south croats are the most slavic SE Euro group.

And i'm discussing GENETICS on a genetics forum, don't pretend dumb

North Croats aren't most Med east-central Euros, their Paleo-Balkan and Roman input is the same as in non-northern Hungarians from Hungary and Slovenians.
And they are less Med than Transylvanian Hungarians.

Target: Croat_North
Distance: 0.3306% / 0.33060893

61.7 Slavic
25.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
13.3 Germanic

Target: Hungarian_Alföld
Distance: 0.0502% / 0.05015956

59.9 Slavic
25.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
13.7 Germanic
1.4 Turkic

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 0.5175% / 0.51748613

59.8 Slavic
26.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
14.2 Germanic

Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
Distance: 0.0239% / 0.02390889

53.8 Slavic
24.4 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
20.6 Germanic
1.2 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
Distance: 0.0441% / 0.04405457

47.1 Slavic
31.3 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
15.5 Germanic
6.1 Turkic

Southern Croats aren't most Slavic southeast Euros either. Bosniaks (from B&H) are more Slavic.

Target: Croat_South
Distance: 0.3133% / 0.31331701

62.5 Slavic
35.4 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
2.1 Germanic

Target: Bosniak_Bosnia
Distance: 0.1912% / 0.19115004

71.0 Slavic
26.3 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
2.7 Germanic

Target: Bosniak
Distance: 0.2971% / 0.29708390

67.2 Slavic
32.7 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
0.1 Germanic

[Jana]

There is not so much difference compared to the Croatian G25 average, what is wrong with it?

The distances are even more absurd in the case of K13, for example the distance difference between Croatia-Hungary and Austria-Croatia.

Why do you think that? Hungary and Austria aren't so similar genetically. Croatian G25 is okay compared to some other averages there, but G25 sucks for modern populations.

[Defcon2]

Why do you think that? Hungary and Austria aren't so similar genetically. Croatian G25 is okay compared to some other averages there, but G25 sucks for modern populations.

In terms of ancestral components, the Hungarians, Croats and Austrians are almost identical xD, there is beginning to be more difference with the Romanians and supposedly in K13 the Romanians and Austrians are practically the same distance from Croatia. :confused:

Target: Romanian
Distance: 3.2341% / 0.03234109
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
42.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 WHG
0.8 Han
0.2 Levant_PPNB

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 4.2236% / 0.04223573
47.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.8 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
0.2 Han

Target: Croatian
Distance: 4.3783% / 0.04378252
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.6 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 WHG

Target: Austrian
Distance: 3.4703% / 0.03470252
45.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.4 TUR_Barcin_N
12.0 WHG

[Jana]

In terms of ancestral components, the Hungarians, Croats and Austrians are almost identical xD, there is beginning to be more difference with the Romanians and supposedly in K13 the Romanians and Austrians are practically the same distance from Croatia. :confused:

Target: Romanian
Distance: 3.2341% / 0.03234109
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
42.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 WHG
0.8 Han
0.2 Levant_PPNB

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 4.2236% / 0.04223573
47.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.8 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
0.2 Han

Target: Croatian
Distance: 4.3783% / 0.04378252
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.6 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 WHG

Target: Austrian
Distance: 3.4703% / 0.03470252
45.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.4 TUR_Barcin_N
12.0 WHG

Because K13 is based on modern, not ancient componets which have their own drift.
In terms of ancient components NE and NW Euros are very similar, but they don't cluster together due to drift that developed later.

[Defcon2]

Because K13 is based on modern, not ancient componets which have their own drift.
In terms of ancient components NE and NW Euros are very similar, but they don't cluster together due to drift that developed later.

Delving into modern populations is redundant having the possibility of comparing these with ancient populations, but hey, I already leave the thread.

[Florin2000]

Much closer to Central Europeans:



> getMonte('Global25_PCA_modern_pop_averages_scaled. txt', 'croatian.txt')
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Croatian1 Slovenian
0.000000 1.067460
Hungarian Bosnian
1.134427 1.672680
Austrian Moldovan
1.960290 2.166572
Czech Montenegrin
2.391222 2.786818
German_East Serbian
2.792090 2.945492
Slovakian German
3.156167 3.283071
Moldovan_o Romanian
3.375136 3.549883
Polish French_Alsace
3.871588 3.881642
French_Seine-Maritime Macedonian
4.040990 4.088505
Ukrainian Sorb_Niederlausitz
4.104130 4.161805
French_Nord Afrikaner
4.255680 4.268928
Swiss_German Belgian
4.454082 4.454664
Bulgarian Cossack_Ukrainian
4.491283 4.776848
Dutch French_Pas-de-Calais
4.804008 4.859587
Italian_Northeast Danish
4.894369 4.909013
Russian_Voronez Russian_Orel
4.909034 4.956550
Swedish French_Brittany
5.074022 5.116879
French_Paris Welsh
5.124706 5.126809
English Russian_Kursk
5.286875 5.317355
Gagauz Orcadian
5.337862 5.360030
Shetlandic English_Cornwall
5.402688 5.403202
Scottish French_Auvergne
5.407126 5.471634
Russian_Smolensk French_Occitanie
5.478433 5.513220
Swiss_French French_Provence
5.562770 5.672239
Norwegian Belarusian
5.707587 5.754613
Irish Icelandic
5.815646 5.834242
Italian_Aosta_Valley Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
5.965089 6.086205
Russian_Tver Italian_Veneto
6.228350 6.249305
Lithuanian_PA Turkish_Deliorman
6.432344 6.475874
Spanish_Mallorca Spanish_Barcelones
6.536331 6.555886
Cossack_Kuban Spanish_Penedes
6.559861 6.580714
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona Spanish_Girona
6.640353 6.666465
Spanish_Catalunya_Central Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
6.749076 6.829002
Lithuanian_VA Spanish_Baleares
6.838477 6.952172
Swiss_Italian Spanish_Lleida
6.979582 7.000303
Greek_Central_Macedonia Spanish_Cataluna
7.006058 7.014193
Spanish_Eivissa Italian_Liguria
7.082113 7.085859
Italian_Bergamo Spanish_Menorca
7.102906 7.169445
Spanish_Pirineu Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
7.202621 7.227043
Albanian Spanish_Valencia
7.246088 7.308423
Spanish_Galicia Mordovian
7.336018 7.349533
Italian_Piedmont Russian_Kostroma
7.355394 7.414240
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon Spanish_Alacant
7.431450 7.450141
Spanish_Castello Lithuanian_RA
7.451902 7.556561
Spanish_Murcia Spanish_Cantabria
7.561934 7.580572
Italian_Lombardy Estonian
7.584761 7.620498
French_South Lithuanian_VZ
7.631925 7.633164
Spanish_Extremadura Portuguese
7.660893 7.661681
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha Greek_Thessaly
7.694295 7.694866
Spanish_Aragon Spanish_Andalucia
7.707725 7.722591
Spanish_Soria Finnish
7.899881 7.930780
Ingrian Spanish_Asturias
8.037486 8.102866
Spanish_Pais_Vasco Spanish_Navarra
8.209146 8.246412
Italian_Tuscany Lithuanian_SZ
8.267578 8.303700
Basque_French Lithuanian_PZ
8.408577 8.428057
Turkish_Rumeli Latvian
8.512470 8.667915
French_Corsica Spanish_La_Rioja
8.777378 8.879403
Italian_Marche Basque_Spanish
8.953452 9.068525
Roma_Barcelona Italian_Umbria
9.079932 9.148326
Karelian Greek_Peloponnese
9.373934 9.376037
Spanish_Canarias Vepsian
9.430798 9.556987
Finnish_East Italian_Lazio
9.705783 9.716979
Greek_Izmir Italian_Molise
9.806350 9.811195
Italian_Abruzzo Sicilian_West
9.965946 10.161595
Russian_Pinega Italian_Apulia
10.365211 10.530874
Ashkenazi_Russia Ashkenazi_Ukraine
10.567550 10.623288
Tatar_Mishar Italian_Basilicata
10.635733 10.677041
Ashkenazi_Belarussia Ashkenazi_Lithuania
10.688407 10.879337
Sicilian_East Ashkenazi_Poland
10.968306 11.009799
Italian_Campania Maltese
11.208039 11.303308
Roma_Madrid Italian_Calabria
11.478489 11.598267
Turkish_Istanbul Greek_Crete
11.675169 11.750794


That's g25, see regional distances, which is way more ideal

Distance to: Croat_West
1.38958206 52.40% Romania_average + 47.60% Czech

Distance to: Croat_South
1.93530358 60.20% Romania_average + 39.80% Czech

Distance to: Croat_North
1.06409727 30.00% Romania_average + 70.00% Czech

Distance to: Croat_East
3.44800910 45.00% Romania_average + 55.00% Czech

[Florin2000]

In terms of ancestral components, the Hungarians, Croats and Austrians are almost identical xD, there is beginning to be more difference with the Romanians and supposedly in K13 the Romanians and Austrians are practically the same distance from Croatia. :confused:

Target: Romanian
Distance: 3.2341% / 0.03234109
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
42.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 WHG
0.8 Han
0.2 Levant_PPNB

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 4.2236% / 0.04223573
47.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.8 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
0.2 Han

Target: Croatian
Distance: 4.3783% / 0.04378252
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.6 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 WHG

Target: Austrian
Distance: 3.4703% / 0.03470252
45.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.4 TUR_Barcin_N
12.0 WHG

Dude, regional is much better than average, and regional proves croats aren't the same as damn austrians and hungarians. Are you like 70 iq?

Distance to: Croat_West
3.97306245 40.80% Slovenian + 59.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_South
3.97304822 8.00% Slovenian + 92.00% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_North
0.46408607 75.80% Slovenian + 24.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_East
1.14603300 15.80% Slovenian + 84.20% Bosniak_Bosnia


Most croats are closer to bosniaks rather than slovenes and regional data proves it

[Jana]

Dude, regional is much better than average, and regional proves croats aren't the same as damn austrians and hungarians. Are you like 70 iq?

Distanceto:Croat_West3.9730624540.80% Slovenian + 59.20% Bosniak_Bosnia
Distanceto:Croat_South3.973048228.00% Slovenian + 92.00% Bosniak_Bosnia
Distanceto:Croat_North0.4640860775.80% Slovenian + 24.20% Bosniak_Bosnia
Distanceto:Croat_East1.1460330015.80% Slovenian + 84.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Most croats are closer to bosniaks rather than hungarians and regional data proves it

"Most" is false. Croatian average is closest to Hungarians, and it is weighted according to population size in each region.

Majority of Croats live in central and northwest Panonnian region.

Now fuck off.

[Florin2000]

"Most" is false. Croatian average is closest to Hungarians, and it is weighted according to population size in each region.

Majority of Croats live in central and northwest Panonnian region.

Now fuck off.

>majority of croats
Like those bosnian croats who outnumber even north croats?

[Florin2000]

"Most" is false. Croatian average is closest to Hungarians, and it is weighted according to population size in each region.

Majority of Croats live in central and northwest Panonnian region.

Now fuck off.

I didn't even use bosnian croat average, because it's removed and i know croatia is full of them. So clearly, croats are closer to balkanics, because bosniaks definitely aren't C. Euro

Reminder:

Distance to: Croat_West
3.97306245 40.80% Slovenian + 59.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_South
3.97304822 8.00% Slovenian + 92.00% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_North
0.46408607 75.80% Slovenian + 24.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

Distance to: Croat_East
1.14603300 15.80% Slovenian + 84.20% Bosniak_Bosnia

[Jana]

>majority of croats
Like those bosnian croats who outnumber even north croats?

Bosnian Croats are little more than half million, and majority lives in Herzegovina.

Why are Bosnian muslims closer to southern Poles (not to mention CE Euros south of Poland) than to Romanian average?
Because you are Vlach transplants from Albania perhaps?

Embarassing.

Distance to: Bosniak_Bosnia

11.12497191 South_Polish
11.33154005 Romania_average

xD

[Jana]

I didn't even use bosnian croat average, because it's removed and i know croatia is full of them. So clearly, croats are closer to balkanics, because bosniaks definitely aren't C. Euro

They are compared to Romanians :P

Bosnian-Herzegovian Croats are included in south average.

[Jana]

Anyway, here is sub-regional average for Bosnian Croats.

Distance to: Bosnia

0.62345810 Croat_South
1.91598539 Bosniak
2.28919200 Croat_West
2.34844629 Serb_Bosnia
2.65149015 Croat
3.14316719 Serb_Croatia
3.32082821 Croat_East
3.39103229 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.71623465 Bosniak_Bosnia
3.78873330 Moldova_Centre
3.82791066 Serb_Serbia_West
3.90925824 Moldova_average
4.10442444 Serb
4.27396771 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.46276820 Moldova_North
4.61768340 Hungarian_Alföld
4.67763829 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.74685159 Csángó-Ceangău
4.88124984 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.09328970 Romania_Maramures
5.52565833 Hungarian
5.71615255 Serb_Herzegovina
5.78799620 Croat_North
6.14803221 Serb_Serbia_South
6.48361782 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest

Herzegovina

Distance to: Herzegovina

0.98096891 Bosniak
1.63966460 Serb_Bosnia
1.77256876 Croat_South
2.77834483 Moldova_average
2.78797417 Moldova_Centre
3.01330383 Serb_Croatia
3.21147941 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.50647972 Moldova_North
3.65282083 Bosniak_Bosnia
3.73368451 Serb
3.81491809 Croat_East
3.82536273 Serb_Serbia_West
4.01842009 Croat
4.02888322 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.05219693 Croat_West
4.62725621 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.82548443 Romania_Maramures
5.32472535 Serb_Herzegovina
5.55843503 Serb_Serbia_South
5.73317539 Csángó-Ceangău
5.92646606 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.01841341 Hungarian_Alföld
7.03647639 Romania_Crisana
7.04783655 Hungarian
7.07036067 Croat_North

[Florin2000]

Bosnian Croats are little more than half million, and majority lives in Herzegovina.

Why are Bosnian muslims closer to southern Poles (not to mention CE Euros south of Poland) than to Romanian average?
Because you are Vlach transplants from Albania perhaps?

Embarassing.

Distance to: Bosniak_Bosnia

11.12497191 South_Polish
11.33154005 Romania_average

xD

And south, bosnian and west croats are closer to us than south poles. What's your point??

>vlach transplants from albania

And even if that's true, my VLACH phenotype is much whiter than your countries average and you know it. So jokes on you

[Jana]

And south, bosnian and west croats are closer to us than south poles. What's your point??

>vlach transplants from albania

And even if that's true, my VLACH phenotype is much whiter than your countries average and you know it. So jokes on you

Calm down, I didn't mean to be so mean to you :o

Actually, closest person to me on TA on K13 is Romanian from Galati (Moldovan).....do you know him? :))))))

[Florin2000]

Anyway, here is sub-regional average for Bosnian Croats.

Distance to: Bosnia

0.62345810 Croat_South
1.91598539 Bosniak
2.28919200 Croat_West
2.34844629 Serb_Bosnia
2.65149015 Croat
3.14316719 Serb_Croatia
3.32082821 Croat_East
3.39103229 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.71623465 Bosniak_Bosnia
3.78873330 Moldova_Centre
3.82791066 Serb_Serbia_West
3.90925824 Moldova_average
4.10442444 Serb
4.27396771 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.46276820 Moldova_North
4.61768340 Hungarian_Alföld
4.67763829 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.74685159 Csángó-Ceangău
4.88124984 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.09328970 Romania_Maramures
5.52565833 Hungarian
5.71615255 Serb_Herzegovina
5.78799620 Croat_North
6.14803221 Serb_Serbia_South
6.48361782 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest

Herzegovina

Distance to: Herzegovina

0.98096891 Bosniak
1.63966460 Serb_Bosnia
1.77256876 Croat_South
2.77834483 Moldova_average
2.78797417 Moldova_Centre
3.01330383 Serb_Croatia
3.21147941 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.50647972 Moldova_North
3.65282083 Bosniak_Bosnia
3.73368451 Serb
3.81491809 Croat_East
3.82536273 Serb_Serbia_West
4.01842009 Croat
4.02888322 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.05219693 Croat_West
4.62725621 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.82548443 Romania_Maramures
5.32472535 Serb_Herzegovina
5.55843503 Serb_Serbia_South
5.73317539 Csángó-Ceangău
5.92646606 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.01841341 Hungarian_Alföld
7.03647639 Romania_Crisana
7.04783655 Hungarian
7.07036067 Croat_North

Moldavia is my region, nice. ;)

And most of these hungarians are literally quite romanized, and aren't CE.

[Token]

It seems they are transitional.

[Jana]

Stears is Central European, and he clusters like this. More southern than me and quite a few Croats. CentralEuros are not homogenous and neither are southEast Euros, deal with it.

Distance to: Stears

4.13745091 Csángó-Ceangău
4.91866852 Hungarian_Alföld
5.02263875 Croat
5.04164656 Hungarian
5.11376574 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.38356759 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.41378795 Croat_West
5.43240278 Croat_East
5.76661079 Croat_South
5.78583615 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.98474728 Croat_North
6.18610540 Bosniak
6.29182009 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.34904717 Moldova_North
6.65686112 Moldova_Centre
6.74080856 Serb_Bosnia
6.83100285 Hungarian_North
7.03108100 Slovenian
7.08213245 Moldova_average
7.39156276 Serb_Serbia_West
7.44080641 Serb_Croatia
7.96936635 Serb
8.23001215 Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.44873363 Romania_Maramures
8.57234507 Serb_Serbia_Central

[Florin2000]

Stears is Central European, and he clusters like this. More southern than me and quite a few Croats. CentralEuros are not homogenous and neither are southEast Euros, deal with it.

Distance to: Stears

4.13745091 Csángó-Ceangău
4.91866852 Hungarian_Alföld
5.02263875 Croat
5.04164656 Hungarian
5.11376574 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.38356759 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.41378795 Croat_West
5.43240278 Croat_East
5.76661079 Croat_South
5.78583615 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.98474728 Croat_North
6.18610540 Bosniak
6.29182009 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.34904717 Moldova_North
6.65686112 Moldova_Centre
6.74080856 Serb_Bosnia
6.83100285 Hungarian_North
7.03108100 Slovenian
7.08213245 Moldova_average
7.39156276 Serb_Serbia_West
7.44080641 Serb_Croatia
7.96936635 Serb
8.23001215 Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.44873363 Romania_Maramures
8.57234507 Serb_Serbia_Central

Is he a hungarian from Romania?

[Florin2000]

It seems they are transitional.

From what i have learned.

southeast euro:
South croats
Bosnian croats
West croats

Mix:
East croats

Central euro:
North croats

[Jana]

Compare our results, practically the same except for my higher West Asian and his minor Mongoloid. He also has bit higher West Med.


Incelslayer(Romanian),26.6,35.89,17.78,7.14,10.15, 0,0,1.1,1.26,0,0,0,0.08
Stearsolina(Croatian),27.8,35.43,15.9,10.2,9.6,0.0 1,0,0.78,0.21,0,0,0,0

Distance to: Stearsolina(Croatian)

4.43407262 Croat_East
4.48306815 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.58758106 Croat
4.64383462 Croat_North
4.86671347 Hungarian_Alföld
5.52196523 Ukrainian_Carpathian
5.58499776 Moldova_North
5.62725510 Hungarian
5.68233227 Slovenian
5.71636248 Hungarian_North
6.01780691 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.12248316 Croat_South
6.23436444 Croat_West
6.46706270 Bosniak
6.47602502 Slovak
7.03102411 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.04628271 Csángó-Ceangău
7.23221266 Serb_Bosnia
8.14194080 Moldova_Centre
8.30960890 Moldova_average
8.36513000 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.39834508 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.51442306 Moldova_Ukrainian
8.55248502 Serb_Croatia
8.66182429 Serb_Serbia_West

Distance to: Incelslayer(Romanian)

4.96061488 Croat_East
4.97039234 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.01415995 Croat
5.38250871 Hungarian_Alföld
5.42553223 Ukrainian_Carpathian
5.42557831 Croat_North
5.87422335 Moldova_North
6.11451552 Croat_South
6.15289363 Hungarian_North
6.37929463 Slovenian
6.44410583 Hungarian
6.50462912 Bosniak
6.53554894 Croat_West
7.03182764 Serb_Bosnia
7.09235504 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.20989598 Slovak
7.48429021 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.62038057 Csángó-Ceangău
8.19562688 Moldova_Centre
8.26790784 Moldova_average
8.39488535 Serb_Croatia
8.52712730 Moldova_Ukrainian
8.54048593 Serb_Serbia_West
8.55178929 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.78596039 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

[Jana]

Is he a hungarian from Romania?

Half from Romania, half from Hungary.

[Florin2000]

Compare our results, practically the same except for my higher West Asian and his minor Mongoloid. He also has bit higher West Med.


Incelslayer(Romanian),26.6,35.89,17.78,7.14,10.15, 0,0,1.1,1.26,0,0,0,0.08
Stearsolina(Croatian),27.8,35.43,15.9,10.2,9.6,0.0 1,0,0.78,0.21,0,0,0,0

Distance to: Stearsolina(Croatian)

4.43407262 Croat_East
4.48306815 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.58758106 Croat
4.64383462 Croat_North
4.86671347 Hungarian_Alföld
5.52196523 Ukrainian_Carpathian
5.58499776 Moldova_North
5.62725510 Hungarian
5.68233227 Slovenian
5.71636248 Hungarian_North
6.01780691 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.12248316 Croat_South
6.23436444 Croat_West
6.46706270 Bosniak
6.47602502 Slovak
7.03102411 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.04628271 Csángó-Ceangău
7.23221266 Serb_Bosnia
8.14194080 Moldova_Centre
8.30960890 Moldova_average
8.36513000 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.39834508 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.51442306 Moldova_Ukrainian
8.55248502 Serb_Croatia
8.66182429 Serb_Serbia_West

Distance to: Incelslayer(Romanian)

4.96061488 Croat_East
4.97039234 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.01415995 Croat
5.38250871 Hungarian_Alföld
5.42553223 Ukrainian_Carpathian
5.42557831 Croat_North
5.87422335 Moldova_North
6.11451552 Croat_South
6.15289363 Hungarian_North
6.37929463 Slovenian
6.44410583 Hungarian
6.50462912 Bosniak
6.53554894 Croat_West
7.03182764 Serb_Bosnia
7.09235504 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.20989598 Slovak
7.48429021 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.62038057 Csángó-Ceangău
8.19562688 Moldova_Centre
8.26790784 Moldova_average
8.39488535 Serb_Croatia
8.52712730 Moldova_Ukrainian
8.54048593 Serb_Serbia_West
8.55178929 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.78596039 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

That west asian is probably a bug and it ate your east med, happens to many people on k13.

[Jana]

From what i have learned.

southeast euro:
South croats
Bosnian croats
West croats

Mix:
East croats

Central euro:
North croats

West Croats are made of different sub-groups that aren't very similar.

Distance to: Istria_and_Kvarner

1.14490174 Croat_West
1.49836578 Croat_South
2.36381048 Croat
3.04292622 Bosniak
3.28374786 Serb_Bosnia
3.59459316 Serb_Croatia
3.71589828 Croat_East
3.92172156 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.10993917 Hungarian_Alföld
4.11432862 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.17958132 Serb_Serbia_West
4.38362863 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.54691104 Csángó-Ceangău
4.61346941 Serb
4.66675476 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.73352934 Moldova_Centre
4.80966735 Hungarian
4.88382023 Moldova_average
5.23327813 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.31097919 Croat_North
5.45899258 Romania_Maramures
5.51391875 Moldova_North
5.72306736 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.10460482 Serb_Herzegovina
6.47682021 Slovenian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvarner_Gulf

Distance to: Gorski_kotar

1.00970293 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
1.42362214 Hungarian
2.24352401 Slovenian
2.44223259 Croat_North
2.46860284 Hungarian_Alföld
3.69035229 Hungarian_North
3.97577665 Croat
4.43862591 Croat_West
5.62912071 Slovak
5.64656533 Croat_East
5.76161436 Csángó-Ceangău
6.02791009 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.41664242 Croat_South
6.59647633 Czech
6.63315159 Austrian
6.72315402 Bosniak_Bosnia
7.75226419 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.78206913 Bosniak
7.79311876 German_East
8.25545880 Serb_Bosnia
8.61709348 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.61903127 Moldova_North
8.73658400 Serb_Croatia
8.79811912 Serb_Serbia_West
9.02375753 Ukrainian_Galicia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorski_Kotar

First group is basically all Istria (Kvarner is undersampled), while second group is north Croat like, but it's lowly populated region so west Croat average leans much more to the first.
Native west Croats should not be SE Euro like (except those that mixed with Italians trough centuries). Istria experinced mass southern immigration trough centuries.

[Florin2000]

Half from Romania, half from Hungary.

His result is not surprising, romanian hungarians are hardly C. Euro, they have 4 less baltic on average than hungarians from hungary

Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
2.31371995 Csángó-Ceangău
3.75636793 Croat_West
4.37030891 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.43134291 Croat_South
4.61582062 Serb_Serbia_West
4.95003030 Serb_Croatia
5.03923605 Croat
5.19419869 Serb_Bosnia
5.28481788 Hungarian_Alföld
5.39306963 Serb
5.41608715 Hungarian
5.58949908 Romania_Maramures
5.66527140 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.66664804 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.69911397 Bosniak
5.92874354 Moldova_Centre
5.96286844 Romania_Crisana
5.99538156 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.19004039 Moldova_average
6.52299011 Croat_East
6.53999235 Serb_Herzegovina
7.01226069 Croat_North
7.06280398 Serb_Serbia_South
7.15508211 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.18991655 Romania_Transylvania

[Jana]

His result is not surprising, romanian hungarians are hardly C. Euro, they have 4 less baltic on average than hungarians from hungary

Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
2.31371995 Csángó-Ceangău
3.75636793 Croat_West
4.37030891 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.43134291 Croat_South
4.61582062 Serb_Serbia_West
4.95003030 Serb_Croatia
5.03923605 Croat
5.19419869 Serb_Bosnia
5.28481788 Hungarian_Alföld
5.39306963 Serb
5.41608715 Hungarian
5.58949908 Romania_Maramures
5.66527140 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.66664804 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.69911397 Bosniak
5.92874354 Moldova_Centre
5.96286844 Romania_Crisana
5.99538156 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.19004039 Moldova_average
6.52299011 Croat_East
6.53999235 Serb_Herzegovina
7.01226069 Croat_North
7.06280398 Serb_Serbia_South
7.15508211 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.18991655 Romania_Transylvania

Because Hungarians from Romania are mixed with Romanians, just that mix is very old, from medieval times. His all ancestors on Transylvanian side are Hungarian several centuries back.
However he has lot of Romanian relatives on 23andme and scores Romanian counties, so it's pretty clear there is old admixture between the two.

[Jana]

That west asian is probably a bug and it ate your east med, happens to many people on k13.

It's not, I get it everywhere. My parents also have low East Med and high West Asian, especially mother.

[Jana]

I probably have minor Greek ancestry from my maternal side. And I speculate perhaps my Greek ancestor was from Pontus. That, or Armenian. I'm not sure.

[Defcon2]

I probably have minor Greek ancestry from my maternal side. And I speculate perhaps my Greek ancestor was from Pontus. That, or Armenian. I'm not sure.

No, you are mainly Croatian with Bosnian ancestry according to my IQ of 70, Bosnians genetically are more swarthiests than Croats.

Distance to: Feiichy_scaled(Croat)
0.03223627 Bosnian
0.03265834 Croatian
0.03490519 Austrian
0.03627555 Hungarian
0.04514146 Romanian

Target: Feiichy_scaled(Croat)
Distance: 4.3725% / 0.04372508
44.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.8 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG

Target: Croatian
Distance: 4.3783% / 0.04378252
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.6 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 WHG

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 4.3512% / 0.04351225
46.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.0 TUR_Barcin_N
8.6 WHG

[Jana]

No, you are mainly Croatian with Bosnian ancestry according to my IQ of 70, Bosnians genetically are more swarthiests than Croats.

Distance to: Feiichy_scaled(Croat)
0.03223627 Bosnian
0.03265834 Croatian
0.03490519 Austrian
0.03627555 Hungarian
0.04514146 Romanian

Target: Feiichy_scaled(Croat)
Distance: 4.3725% / 0.04372508
44.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.8 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG

Target: Croatian
Distance: 4.3783% / 0.04378252
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.6 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 WHG

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 4.3512% / 0.04351225
46.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.0 TUR_Barcin_N
8.6 WHG

I'm mixed, with minor Bosniak, German and Serb ancestry. My Croatian side is mostly from the south. There is another unknown part from my mother side, which is either Greek, Armenian or Jewish (Jewish is least likely though because I don't score it on 23andme). No idea.
Bosniaks are genetically between Croats and Serbs.

[Varda]

I probably have minor Greek ancestry from my maternal side. And I speculate perhaps my Greek ancestor was from Pontus. That, or Armenian. I'm not sure.

How is it possible that you have minor Greek or Armenian ancestry?
Greek and Armenians were very few in regions from where are your ancestors.

[Jana]

How is it possible that you have minor Greek or Armenian ancestry?
Greek and Armenians were very few in regions from where are your ancestors.

Not in Budapest, where I have ancestry from. Budapest was full of Greek, Armenian and Jewish merchants. Later my ancestors from there moved to Banat (Vršac), and than to Syrmia (Zemun).
One my ancestor was named Alexander Demetros (suposedly from Crete), and it's a rare Greek surname peaking in Euboea, but maybe he was Pontian or sth, who knows, they were good merchants (he was a banker).

My grand-grandma mentioned Armenia few times, that they have sth to do with Armenia, but nothing more than that.

I even was speculating that she may be Greek-mountain Jewish admixed (Jew from Caucasus) since she kept mentioning Armenia (and we always believed she was part Jew too) but I don't score Jewish on 23andme which is best for such ancestry. I think Caucasus Jews have lot of native Caucasus ancestry from what I saw, but they should score some AJ still, since all Jews are closely related. One of my another ancestor has surname which is nominally German but one Polish Jew nobel prize winner carries it too.

As you can see, I don't know exact admix of my maternal grand-grandma. But there is def. sth very southern canceling my mother's German and it's not only Serb she has.
My mother is 25% NW Euro on FTDNA and Myheritage, but on gedmatch she is very southern for somebody who is large part German admixed and has high Caucasus and even minor MENA affinity.

On gedmatch her German is practically invisible and she plot south of me and my father. So there is sth else in there.

[Varda]

Not in Budapest, where I have ancestry from. Budapest was full of Greek, Armenian and Jewish merchants. Later my ancestors from there moved to Banat (Vršac), and than to Syrmia (Zemun).
One my ancestor was named Alexander Demetros (suposedly from Crete), and it's a rare Greek surname peaking in Euboea, but maybe he was Pontian or sth, who knows, they were good merchants (he was a banker).

My grand-grandma mentioned Armenia few times, that they have sth to do with Armenia, but nothing more than that.

I even was speculating that she may be Greek-mountain Jewish admixed (Jew from Caucasus) since she kept mentioning Armenia (and we always believed she was part Jew) but I don't score Jewish on 23andme which is best for such ancestry. I think Caucasus Jews have lot of native Caucasus ancestry from what I saw, but they should score some AJ still, since all Jews are closely related. One of my another ancestor has surname which is nominally German but one Polish Jew nobel prize winner carries it too.

As you can see, I don't know exact admix of my maternal grand-grandma. But there is def. sth very southern canceling my mother's German and it's not only Serb she has.
My mother is 25% NW Euro on FTDNA and Myheritage, but on gedmatch she is very southern for somebody who is large part German admixed and has high Caucasus and even minor MENA affinity.

On gedmatch her German is practically invisible and she plot south of me and my father. So there is sth else in there.

Interesting.

In Vojvodina in Austro-Hungarian time Aromanians were considered for subgroup of Greeks by other people (and probably in the rest of empire as well). Many Aromanians officially presented themselves as Greeks. Some of them arrived as already helenized, and even non-helenized often claimed they are Greeks.
Maybe you have Aromanian ancestor who was officially Greek. :)

[Jana]

Interesting.

In Vojvodina in Austro-Hungarian time Aromanians were considered for branch of Greeks by other people (and probably in the rest of empire as well). Many Aromanians presented themselves as Greeks. Some of them arrived as already helenized and even non-helenized often claimed they are Greeks.
Maybe you have Aromanian ancestor who was officially Greek. :)

Who knows. Vojvodina was most ethnically mixed region in entire Europe, there were even 3 French speaking villages recorded there between 1771 and 1850 :)

[Varda]

Who knows. Vojvodina was most ethnically mixed region in entire Europe, there were even 3 French speaking villages recorded there between 1771 and 1850 :)

Even Catalans/Spaniards were present in Vojvodina (Banat) some period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Barcelona

French settlers in Vojvodina (also in Banat) are germanized after several generations.

Novi Sad had small Armenian community.

[Jana]

Even Catalans/Spaniards were present in Vojvodina (Banat) some period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Barcelona

French settlers in Vojvodina (also in Banat) are germanized after several generations.

Novi Sad had small Armenian community.

Cool, had no idea about that!

[Dunai]

Croatians are rather diverse group, so some regions are more East-Central European while other more South-Eastern European, but in average they lane more towards East-Central Europeans, like the Slovenians and Hungarians.

[17571imre]

Not in Budapest, where I have ancestry from. Budapest was full of Greek, Armenian and Jewish merchants. Later my ancestors from there moved to Banat (Vršac), and than to Syrmia (Zemun).
One my ancestor was named Alexander Demetros (suposedly from Crete), and it's a rare Greek surname peaking in Euboea, but maybe he was Pontian or sth, who knows, they were good merchants (he was a banker).

My grand-grandma mentioned Armenia few times, that they have sth to do with Armenia, but nothing more than that.

I even was speculating that she may be Greek-mountain Jewish admixed (Jew from Caucasus) since she kept mentioning Armenia (and we always believed she was part Jew too) but I don't score Jewish on 23andme which is best for such ancestry. I think Caucasus Jews have lot of native Caucasus ancestry from what I saw, but they should score some AJ still, since all Jews are closely related. One of my another ancestor has surname which is nominally German but one Polish Jew nobel prize winner carries it too.

As you can see, I don't know exact admix of my maternal grand-grandma. But there is def. sth very southern canceling my mother's German and it's not only Serb she has.
My mother is 25% NW Euro on FTDNA and Myheritage, but on gedmatch she is very southern for somebody who is large part German admixed and has high Caucasus and even minor MENA affinity.

On gedmatch her German is practically invisible and she plot south of me and my father. So there is sth else in there.

nice this could explain why my results are always Balkan like. My father told us that his grandfather that he thought was hes grandfather was not hes real grandfather. The only thing he knows about the real grandfather was that it was someone from Budapest.

[Jana]

nice this could explain why my results are always Balkan like. My father told us that his grandfather that he thought was hes grandfather was not hes real grandfather. The only thing he knows about the real grandfather was that it was someone from Budapest.

Budapest was really mixed, one of most cosmopolitan cities in Europe, from Germans, Slavs, Romanians, to Jews and Greeks, Armenians and who knows what else.
Possibility that you have ancestry from these exotic groups increases if your ancestors belonged to urban middle class/bourgeois.

[Mortimer]

Bosnian Croats are definitely proud Balkan highlanders but I don't know about the rest

[Jana]

Bosnian Croats are definitely proud Balkan highlanders but I don't know about the rest

BiH Croats mostly aren't highlander population. Vast majority lives around karst fields and in river valleys.

[Florin2000]

No, you are mainly Croatian with Bosnian ancestry according to my IQ of 70, Bosnians genetically are more swarthiests than Croats.

Distance to: Feiichy_scaled(Croat)
0.03223627 Bosnian
0.03265834 Croatian
0.03490519 Austrian
0.03627555 Hungarian
0.04514146 Romanian

Target: Feiichy_scaled(Croat)
Distance: 4.3725% / 0.04372508
44.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.8 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG

Target: Croatian
Distance: 4.3783% / 0.04378252
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.6 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 WHG

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 4.3512% / 0.04351225
46.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.0 TUR_Barcin_N
8.6 WHG

>he is still using nation average of g25 when regional averages on k13 prove him wrong
Yes, you have 70 iq

[Florin2000]

No, you are mainly Croatian with Bosnian ancestry according to my IQ of 70, Bosnians genetically are more swarthiests than Croats.

Distance to: Feiichy_scaled(Croat)
0.03223627 Bosnian
0.03265834 Croatian
0.03490519 Austrian
0.03627555 Hungarian
0.04514146 Romanian

Target: Feiichy_scaled(Croat)
Distance: 4.3725% / 0.04372508
44.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.8 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG

Target: Croatian
Distance: 4.3783% / 0.04378252
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
42.6 TUR_Barcin_N
11.2 WHG

Target: Bosnian
Distance: 4.3512% / 0.04351225
46.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.0 TUR_Barcin_N
8.6 WHG



Distance to: Bosniak_Bosnia
2.00534861 39.60% Albanian + 60.40% Polish

Distance to: Croat_West
2.51822167 46.60% Albanian + 53.40% Polish

Distance to: Croat_South
0.64866846 48.80% Albanian + 51.20% Polish

Distance to: Croat_North
3.16283109 35.00% Albanian + 65.00% Polish

Distance to: Croat_East
1.55742573 39.80% Albanian + 60.20% Polish

Proven wrong again, low iq MOOR

[Jaromir]

yet another Balkan saga - nice

[Dirdepo]

German

[Jana]

Thread is now garbage ready, already troll infested.

[Blondie]

Budapest was really mixed, one of most cosmopolitan cities in Europe

Yes just like Wien, the difference is Budapest has no migrant ghettos, that's why it's much better then the twin city. If you go to the downtown you can meet evry kind of people turks, americans, germans, french, blacks, east asians, jews etc, but Budapest preserved it's hungarian character.

[Jana]

Yes just like Wien, the difference is Budapest has no migrant ghettos, that's why it's much better then the twin city. If you go to the downtown you can meet evry kind of people turks, americans, germans, french, blacks, east asians, jews etc, but Budapest preserved it's hungarian character.

Love Budapest, best city in the world for me and can't wait to go back to live there! <3

[Florin2000]

I'm mixed, with minor Bosniak, German and Serb ancestry.
Minor ancestry, like how much? 1/4?

[Jana]

Minor ancestry, like how much? 1/4?

15.62% German
12.5% Bosniak
6.25% Serb
3.12% Greek

Rest is Croatian (62.51%), this is by going by paper trail.

[Leto]

15.62% German
12.5% Bosniak
6.25% Serb
3.12% Greek

Rest is Croatian (62.51%), this is by going by paper trail.
That'd mean your grandparent was half Bosiak. Was your Bosnian ancestor de-Islamicized? What religion did he belong to?

[Varda]

That'd mean your grandparent was half Bosiak. Was your Bosnian ancestor de-Islamicized? What religion did he belong to?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?231777-Are-South-Slsvs-closer-to-Greeks-of-Northern-Slavs-genetically&p=7186712&viewfull=1#post7186712

[Lucas]

Dalmatian/Herzegovina Croats closer to SE Euros (Bosnians, some Serbs), North Croats closer to Central, Lika/Slavonia intermediate. No Croat region is close to paleo/south Balkanites on average however.

Off topic.
Tell me Aye your avatar is based on Adolf pic? :)

[Jana]

That'd mean your grandparent was half Bosiak. Was your Bosnian ancestor de-Islamicized? What religion did he belong to?

My grand-grandpa was muslim and Bosniak, but he married Croat Catholic woman. Their children became Catholic and Croat, because they lived in Croatia, but he never dropped Islam and remained muslim until his death. Yet the fact he allowed his kids to be Catholic was very progessive at that time, I'd say.

Maybe because he felt loyal to old Austro-Hungarian Empire, he was educated in Austrian military academy and served as calvary officer during WW1, only muslim in his Unit.

[Leto]

My grand-grandpa was muslim and Bosniak, but he married Croat Catholic woman. Their children became Catholic and Croat, because they lived in Croatia, but he never dropped Islam and remained muslim until his death. Yet the fact he allowed his kids to be Catholic was very progessive at that time, I'd say.

Maybe because he felt loyal to old Austro-Hungarian Empire, he was educated in Austrian military academy and served as calvary officer during WW1, only muslim in his Unit.
Interesting story! :thumb001:

[Hektor12]

but he never dropped Islam and remained muslim until his death.This oldschool people values religion as a primary identity, much stronger feeling compared to our generations. Its not easy to abandon the religion, which means you "betraying" your ancestors and become traitor. Its pretty much impossible unless you have serious problems with your ancestors. I believe that he was a proud man, he solely didnt want to do something which would make his relatives sad and broken. Dont forget: it was extra hard times back then.

Anyways its good to learn that youre granddaughter of a Bosniak man. ;)

[Varda]

This oldschool people values religion as a primary identity, much stronger feeling compared to our generations. Its not easy to abandon the religion, which means you "betraying" your ancestors and become traitor. Its pretty much impossible unless you have serious problems with your ancestors. I believe that he was a proud man, he solely didnt want to do something which would make his relatives sad and broken. Dont forget: it was extra hard times back then.

Anyways its good to learn that youre granddaughter of a Bosniak man. ;)

Her ancestor was Bosnian Muslim. Bosniaks are officially created in 1993.

[Hektor12]

Her ancestor was Bosnian Muslim. Bosniaks are officially created in 1993.

Whats the difference, if this post has any use apart from chasing me in some way?

[Jana]

Her ancestor was Bosnian Muslim. Bosniaks are officially created in 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Bosniaken_kommen

"Die Bosniaken kommen" (English: "The Bosniaks are Coming") is a military march, which was composed by Austrian composer Eduard Wagnes in 1895. It was composed in Graz in honour of the soldiers of the Bosnian-Herzegovinian Infantry, who were in the Austro-Hungarian army. This is one of the most popular military marches, and today is played on all military events in Austria.

[Varda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Bosniaken_kommen

"Die Bosniaken kommen" (English: "The Bosniaks are Coming") is a military march, which was composed by Austrian composer Eduard Wagnes in 1895. It was composed in Graz in honour of the soldiers of the Bosnian-Herzegovinian Infantry, who were in the Austro-Hungarian army. This is one of the most popular military marches, and today is played on all military events in Austria.

Term Bosniak in the past was refer on all inhabitants of Bosnia, like Bosanac/Bosnian today.
Bosniak as ethnos of only Bosnian Muslims is political creation of 1990s.

[Jana]

Term Bosniak in the past was refer on all inhabitants of Bosnia, like Bosanac/Bosnian today.
Bosniak as ethnos of only Bosnian Muslims is political creation of 1990s.

Only muslims accepted it.

[Varda]

Only muslims accepted it.

Identity of Bosnian Muslims in the last few centuries was fluid. In Ottoman time they were political Turks, in kingdom Yugoslavia and early period of communist Yugoslavia they were Muslim Serbs or Muslim Croatians, 1971-1993 they were Muslims with big M, and since 1993 they are Bosniaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_(ethnic_group)

Alija Izetbegović creator of Bosniak nation was declared muslim Serb before 1971.

[Jana]

Identity of Bosnian Muslims in the last few centuries was fluid. In Ottoman time they were political Turks, in kingdom Yugoslavia and early period of communist Yugoslavia they were Muslim Serbs or Muslim Croatians, 1971-1993 they were Muslims with big M, and since 1993 they are Bosniaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_(ethnic_group)

Alija Izetbegović creator of Bosniak nation was declared muslim Serb before 1971.

His ancestors are from Serbia, big suprise.

[Varda]

His ancestors are from Serbia, big suprise.

Yes they are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alija_Izetbegovi%C4%87#Early_life_and_education

Most of the Bosniak elite in the last 150 years is of Serbian origin. Not my claim, but of Wikiceha from forum.hr.

[Jana]

Yes they are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alija_Izetbegovi%C4%87#Early_life_and_education

Most of the Bosniak elite in the last 150 years is of Serbian origin. Not my claim, but of Wikiceha from forum.hr.

Why not, it's possible.