K13 modeling with TA members Vol. 2

[Dušan]

I used my script for making polygonal diagrams to plot all entries from the docx file in the first post of this thread:

https://i.ibb.co/m5h5C4V/5uYTBDr.jpg



Very nice :thumb001:

[Komintasavalta]

Very nice :thumb001:

Here's another one with more users (I don't remember if some of these are active):

https://i.ibb.co/YWb7XGZ/b.jpg

Same but visualized as a square version of a ternary diagram:

https://i.ibb.co/4Z8RRds/a.jpg

Both images use the same colored clusters, which are based on cutting a hierarchical clustering tree at the height where it has 16 subtrees.

It's cool how in the bar chart above, Finns have only 10% of the brown component. Teutone and Richmondbread have almost 30% of the brown component, so the difference between them and Finns is about as big as the difference between them and some of the more brown Balkanites.

Also I'm jealous of Aila's Mongoloid percentage (8.46% Siberian and 1.87% Amerindian). I think she was part Vepsian or part Saami or something. I'm afraid to get tested, because I think I'm 1/8 Eastern Finnish and 7/8 Western Finnish, so my mong percent would probably only make me depressed.

Here's all users who had 10% or more of the East_Asian, Siberian, and Amerindian components added together:


UserEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianEast_Asian + Siberian + Amerindian
Iloko(Filipino)83.202.560.9686.72
Harley(Samoan)69.1101.6570.76
Knowledge_is_king(Kazakh)23.5733.832.3559.75
Lotusflower(Chinese-European)44.545.05049.59
myouss(Chinese-Assyrian)39.489.10.7649.34
Psy-Sprite(Mexican)5.091.5541.9348.57
Yaglakar(Uyghur)19.7323.221.4444.39
GreentheViper(British-Mexican)01.8131.2733.08
Ulaş(Turkish-Kazakh-Kyrgyz)14.1517.390.8832.42
axel.axelman(Panamanian)10.021.8218.8230.66
Potentia(Mexican-white_American)0.820.9526.9128.68
samario(Colombian)0.320.0926.7827.19
Elnar(VolgaTatar-Mordvin)5.1020.94026.04
tiagogdeandrade(Brazilian)1.63018.1319.76
Kalkin(Salvadorean-Polish)01.817.9319.73
El_Abominacion(Multi-Racial)16.3701.0817.45
Ekaitza(Colombian)0.040.0116.7916.84
Böri(Turk)5.039.811.0515.89
Kriptc06_grandma(Brazilian)0015.7515.75
Baboon(Romanian-Latin_American)1.560.4812.5914.63
Mixdguy17(Venezuelan)2.120.0912.4114.62
Turkminator(Turk)3.518.261.9813.75
Kriptc06(Brazilian-Bulgarian)0013.313.3
Dore(Puerto_Rican-¼_British)0012.7812.78
gültekin(Turk)4.586.111.3612.05
Bakha(Bukharan-Russian)3.117.051.6611.82
Kazbolat(Karachay)2.566.981.3910.93
Owight_gavnah(Afghan)3.706.210.9410.85
Dominicanese(Dominican)01.629.0510.67
Hapanuwa(Turk_Aegean)5.455.17010.62
Aila(Finn)08.461.8710.33
Jusarius(Finn)0.268.691.0710.02

[Lucas]

I used my script for making polygonal diagrams to plot all entries from the docx file in the first post of this thread:

https://i.ibb.co/wRJvB4k/poly.jpg


Nice, maybe smaller font size, more names will be visible.

[AlfonsoVIII]

Distance to: AlfonsoVIII

2.87840233 Helen(Spaniard)
3.32292040 Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas(Portuguese)
3.60274895 Luso_SIS(Portuguese)
3.96083325 Damiao(Portuguese)
4.09458179 FilhoV(Portuguese)
5.47152630 Luso_MOM(Portuguese)
5.49531619 Luso_BRO(Portuguese)
5.58703857 Suarsenaguer(Spanish)
5.72399336 Spaniard2.0_Dad(Spanish)
5.73018324 dududud(French_¼_Sardinian)
5.90365141 Rafael_bro(Spaniard-Italian-French-Syrian)
5.92321703 Mrs_Vasconcelos(Portuguese)
5.97679680 Gabbobler(Portuguese)
6.01274480 Fraisod(Spanish)
6.06345611 rafael_dad(Spaniard-Italian)
6.06603660 Luso_DAD(Portuguese)
6.10213078 Atlantic_islander(Azorean_Portuguese)
6.49166389 Ibericus(Spaniard)
6.69844012 ChildofMud(Cuban)
6.77771348 Spaniard2.0_Mom(Spanish)
6.90233294 Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas_GF(Portuguese)
7.10630002 Vasconcelos(Portuguese)
7.10839644 Hyoga7(Portuguese)
7.24730985 Pedro(Portuguese)
7.27464088 Spaniard2.0(Spanish)
7.33866473 Pedro_Mom(Portuguese)
7.53722097 Gallop_Father(Spanish)
7.60773948 Pedro_Dad(Portuguese)
7.74827077 Luso(Portuguese)
7.79093704 Gaita(Galician)
7.82595042 gixajo_dad(Spanish)
7.91633122 Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas_father(Portuguese)
7.95869336 Sizzo(Italian_Lombardian)
8.05690387 Tagus(Portuguese)
8.09838255 Cernunnos(Portuguese)
8.62950752 Defcon2(Spain)
8.81564518 Barkoo(French-Italian)
9.01781016 Gold_fenix(Spaniard)
9.15144251 gixajo_father_uncle(Spanish)
9.53112270 gondor(Italian)
9.61717734 Gallop(Spanish)
9.71689765 polaciones(Spanish)
9.91504917 Noff(Spanish)
9.96452207 Vid_Flumina(North_Italian)
10.54771065 Inés_Erronkari_cousin(Argentine)
10.74650641 Rafael_Passoni(white_Brazilian)
10.78157688 Alienor(French-South_Italian)
10.78428950 Manzanos(Spanish)
10.78682066 gixajo(Spanish)
11.09235773 Mopi(Spanish-British-Irish)
11.15184290 Alnortedelsur(Venezuelan_Spanish)
11.92926234 Spaniard2.0_friend(Spanish)
11.99917080 gixajo_father_cousin(Spanish)
12.16942891 Saint_Glinglin(French)
12.44122180 Blemoir(Brazilian)
12.73338918 gixajo_mom(Spanish)
12.76150853 IberoHellenic(Spaniard-Greek)
13.26679313 Petalpusher(French)
13.42379976 dududud_mother(French-Sardinian)
13.72808071 QR(Spanish)
13.84272011 rafael_mom(Italian-French-Syrian)
14.45169194 Sikeliot(Sicilian-Polish-Portuguese)
14.64310759 Laly(Portuguese-Belgian)
14.65467161 Rudel(French)
14.95145478 Erronkari(Argentine_Uruguayan)
14.95361829 Erronkari(Argentine-Uruguayan)
15.01798921 alexmegas(Romanian)
15.22012155 Cristina_PSR(Spanish)
15.27514648 Avgvstvs(Italian)
15.28585294 TheOldNorth(European-Jewish-American)
15.41130429 Minardowicz(white_American)
15.56885352 Tchek(Belgian)
15.65186570 J.S.(French)
15.81413292 AtlantoMediterranean(Moroccan-Belgian)
15.86837421 Andrea(Italian)
16.35525909 Petalpusher_mother(French_Provence)
16.41331167 Daco-Celtic(Romanian-Irish)
16.77197663 Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
16.88444254 7eleven(German-Jewish)
16.90649579 Pendragon(Northwest_French)
16.92606570 IceT(Albanian)
16.95408505 Nyx(French_Canadian)
17.01182530 GiCa(Italian)
17.16235415 noricum_sisinlaw(Austrian)
17.24528921 QR_prima(Spanish)
17.26509484 Aleksandar(Macedonian)
17.60921066 Armatus(South-West_German)
17.68175331 RN97(Romanian-Norwegian)
17.75975225 Shuffle(South_German)
17.82698236 Lawalye(Belgian)
17.90425368 Dukagjini(Albanian)
18.05510731 Bojan(Macedonian)
18.14548704 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
18.32077509 Cybele(Romanian)
18.48281364 KrashNick(Albanian_¼_Croat)
18.59464439 Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
18.62739112 Prettydambrittish(Anglo-American)
18.66461894 Dore(Puerto_Rican-¼_British)
18.69032637 Laly_husband(Walloon)
18.70059090 Frizzlefry(white_American)
18.86583420 Someonenotyou_mother(Hungarian)
18.91628135 Hawkguy(Brazilian)
18.94835613 Corvo(Italian)
19.34346660 Aherne(Romanian-Saxon)
19.45627919 hithaeglir(Greek)
19.63955448 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
19.79984596 bained(Bulgarian)
19.88762681 Geni(Albanian)
19.93275445 Fellow(Romanian)
20.19045567 Nilotik(Albanian)
20.21592194 Kökény(Székely)
20.25521661 Slavic_Italian(white_American)
20.33904128 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
20.40996325 Imre(Hungarian_¼_dutch)
20.46229459 Cybele_dad(Romanian)
20.46850263 Vasil(Macedonian)
20.82193795 yowasgeht_mom(Volga_German)
20.90320071 Eleonor(Norman)
21.01260812 Aye(Serb-British)
21.01464727 Grundig(German_American)
21.03065857 JohnnyP(Macedonian-Serb-Croat)
21.09027738 Light(Romanian)
21.13514608 TieRed(French-Serb)
21.27015045 DRUM(Albanian)
21.28136979 Inf99Dad(white_American)
21.29339099 dududud_father(Northern_French)
21.32167442 paradox_dad(Greek_Macedonian)
21.39846957 Kayra(Balkan_Turk-Bosniak)
21.48326093 ArmatusGrandfather(West_German)
21.49368512 someonenotyou(Hungarian)
21.59703220 Catgeorge(Greek)
21.59937036 Norb(English)
21.65929823 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
21.69017520 donriccardo(Sicilian)
21.72179551 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
21.73311068 Mr.G(Hungarian-German)
21.77347010 Kökény_father(Székely)
21.78775115 Mixdguy17(Venezuelan)
21.80402256 Jingorex(white_American)
21.81085739 Jackson_aunt(English)
21.81521258 Vojnik(Macedonian)
21.90085158 Fieraru(Romanian)
21.93052895 Emziepiex3(Serb)
21.96933090 Kriptc06(Brazilian-Bulgarian)
21.97552047 Ikol(Serb)
21.97889670 Skeleton(white_American)
21.99204174 acbrasil(white_Brazilian)
22.16549571 Ylla(Albanian)
22.18695788 Calpal_sister(British-French-Ukrainian)
22.21085320 Inf99MGma(white_American)
22.24527815 jtoml3(New_Zealander)
22.25736283 Baboon(Romanian-Latin_American)
22.27763677 Jackson_mother(English)
22.32196004 HellLander87(Greek)
22.35255914 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
22.38354530 InfamousAngel99(white_American)
22.40194188 Adler4093(Albanian-German)
22.43577055 Mr.G_mother(German_American)
22.46313424 Kleenex(Greek)
22.55024612 Maleficent(Palestinian-white_American)
22.55882089 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
22.63562679 wisteria(white_American)
22.65819719 Turul_Karom(Hungarian)
22.71140242 *****(Macedonian)
22.73299144 Journeyman26(Italian-Greek)
22.82921593 MotherKyp(South_German)
22.86319969 Hulu_brother(Albanian)
22.96905092 Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
22.99404488 ovidiu(Romanian)
23.00423874 Rædwald(English-French_Canadian)
23.01877060 Morticia(white_American)
23.06133778 TieRed_grandma(Serb)
23.13964995 Moje_ime(Serb)
23.14821807 Ogi(Montenegrin)
23.20323469 Smitty_mom(German-Italian_American)
23.24144789 Mr.G_father(Hungarian)
23.24209758 Skeleton_father(white_American)
23.28581328 barbatus(Afrikaner)
23.31562781 TieRed(Serb)
23.32049099 Kelmendasi(Albanian)
23.32129713 wilhelmhalys(Polish-Spanish)
23.32493087 Gobius(Romanian)
23.34735103 Dreger22310(Breton)
23.41200974 De_Burgh_II(white_American)
23.49080458 FellowGF(Romanian)
23.52607065 Allenson(New_Englander)
23.52996600 Jackson(English)
23.60274772 Dibran(Albanian)
23.60556926 Principe_Azzurro(South_Italian)
23.61545257 Übermensch(South_Italian)
23.62372325 Karol_friend(Serb-Timok_Vlach)
23.68296645 Impaler(Romanian)
23.71265274 Vale(Macedonian)
23.83731948 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)
23.92112874 Kökény_Mom(Székely)
23.96552315 Oneeye(white_American)
23.98826588 imre_mother(Hungarian)
24.00469954 Black_wolf(Euro_Canadian)
24.04458567 frankhammer(British_New_Zealander)
24.08725804 giulioimpa(Italian)
24.10811689 Sofia(Bulgarian)
24.16314549 Carpatz(Romanian)
24.19024183 Celestia(white_American)
24.30194642 Dedalus7(Irish)
24.32141238 Andre(Romanian)
24.35438154 Gooding(Anglo_American)
24.36678272 Davystayn(British)
24.36795231 Morlak(Serb)
24.38754600 Freeroostah(Greek)
24.41535173 TribalSky(English)
24.48561414 superjelly40(Moldovan)
24.50216929 Bosniensis(Bosniak)
24.51205622 Frenchie(Métis-Canadian)
24.53833124 Calpal(British-French-Ukrainian)
24.58021766 manu1515(Italian)
24.60244094 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
24.60359933 Richmondbread(white_American)
24.71247458 TheOldNorth'smom(English-Scotch-Irish_American)
24.79883868 Commonsense(Serb)
24.81315780 Benyzero(Hungarian)
24.83232571 Kouros(Greek)
24.84056561 AK-47(Ashkenazi_1/8_Scottish)
25.01772771 RyoHazuki(English-French_American)
25.07140602 TieRed_father(Northern_French)
25.07300740 **JC**(British-German)
25.11949840 Bessarion(Croat)
25.13661672 Hulu(Albanian)
25.16283768 HungryLion(Serb)
25.17574627 Neon_Knight(British-Irish)
25.19019452 flooos(Irish)
25.26241675 Chrisbab(Romanian)
25.31632477 yowasgeht(Volga_German)
25.44209504 Dunai(Hungarian)
25.49549960 Senpai(white_American)
25.49927646 Thrax(Greek)
25.50776940 nittionia(white_American)
25.53750379 Pagane(Bulgarian)
25.57666906 Teutone(German)
25.59892576 Deniz_grandpa(Balkan_Turk)
25.62374875 Lehel(Hungarian)
25.62619948 magicalM(Hungarian)
25.64445944 Jackson_father(English)
25.68175422 joannadi38(Greek-East_Slav)
25.72381970 Sikeliot_mother(Polish-Portuguese)
25.74789700 Ekaitza(Colombian)
25.81055404 CătălinCristian(Romanian)
25.83489114 Ajeje_Brazorf(South_Italian)
25.85403450 Xripkan(Greek)
25.87475217 WhatsGoingOnBigGuy(white_American)
25.92441128 Pan(Greek)
25.96102271 CordedWhelp_father(white_American)
25.97802340 YupYup(Serb)
25.99634397 Milenko(Serb)
26.00178263 Dandelion(Flemish)
26.01088042 Inf99Mom(white_American)
26.01393281 wd1089(Romanian)
26.05138000 Jackson_grandma(English)
26.05595134 Stearsolina_Mother(Croat_½_German-Serb-Greek)
26.07514717 Seya(Romanian)
26.17110047 Dorian(Greek)
26.21517118 ReggieM(Canadian)
26.22485844 mrblazhev(Bulgarian)
26.23421430 Nomadic(Croat)
26.26709348 Pagane_Mom(Bulgarian)
26.29728123 Stearsolina_Father(Croat)
26.30486837 Solothurn(English)
26.32490266 Pagane_Brother(Bulgarian)
26.33675948 Caismeachd(Scot)
26.34616481 Thracian(Balkan_Turk)
26.34714216 Deniz_mother(Balkan_Turk)
26.36666266 tiagogdeandrade(Brazilian)
26.36826502 Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
26.37413506 Chris(Hungarian)
26.39284183 Ljubic(Croat)
26.40890380 Ford(Serb)
26.41934708 sonofthedutch(Dutch-English_Canadian)
26.42681971 Imperator_Biff(Irish)
26.51352674 aynora(German)
26.51460729 Dreger22310_mother(Breton)
26.57925883 Decius(Serb)
26.58610727 Sturmgewehr(Albanian)
26.61074407 Christofer(German_American)
26.63599444 Kyp(Azeri-German)
26.67747364 yowasgeht_father(Volga_German)
26.71965756 peloponnesian(Greek)
26.74881680 Blanka_husband(Hungarian)
26.76273342 Thorns(white_American)
26.77825424 Aye's_father(Serb)
26.78209103 CreodaMum(English)
26.82268257 Nurzat(Romanian-Rusyn)
26.91736614 emziepiex3_friend(Serb)
26.91843978 vbn(Serb)
26.93156141 firemonkey_dad(English)
26.95616813 Coolguy(Greek)
27.10463060 Kalkin(Salvadorean-Polish)
27.12951714 Ritz06(Norwegian-Iranian)
27.21057515 JosephK(white_American)
27.25194672 Alenka_Mom(Slovenian_¼_Friulian-Jewish)
27.25969736 Stahlbestie91(German)
27.28831435 SUPREEEEEME(Ashkenazi)
27.29964102 Tschaikisten(Serb)
27.32403155 Hrvoje(Croat-Slovene)
27.33386361 Jackson_grandpa(English)
27.34981718 Chrisbab_dad(Romanian)
27.35121752 crazyladybutterfly(South_Italian)
27.41545002 Ion_Basescul(Moldovan)
27.42823363 Black_Wolf_father(Italian-Finnish)
27.52139168 Markos(Greek)
27.61163342 Devil's_advocate(Serb)
27.66086586 Catkin(English)
27.71974747 Stears(Hungarian)
27.87242544 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)
27.93965104 lacreme's_friend_Chris(Greek)
27.95615317 Blanka(Hungarian)
28.03595549 celticdragongod(Irish)
28.14161332 Nehellenia(Australian)
28.19792191 ModernMaskil(Ashkenazi)
28.29526639 Voidspawn_dad(Romanian)
28.30080388 ArmatusGirlfriend(North_German)
28.30412867 Chrisbab_mother(Romanian)
28.32781672 Viers(Hungarian)
28.34820982 Videx(Hungarian)
28.38487978 Noricum(Austrian)
28.39458751 Mortimer(Romani-Serb)
28.43282962 Grace_mother(Irish)
28.51634093 CTPAXOTA(Serb)
28.57399692 Profileid(white_American)
28.61679227 ph2ter_father(Croat)
28.62472009 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
28.68473636 paradox(Greek_Macedonian-Cretan)
28.75769288 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
28.75824577 un4given(Croat)
28.78642562 Dick(Serb)
28.81373804 pmv74(South_Italian)
28.83711671 lilalila1988(Serb)
28.85977131 Firemonkey(British)
28.92114797 sgc2009_gmother(Swedish_Scanian)
28.95933874 Dušan(Serb)
28.99751369 Terminator98(Serb)
29.00590630 Token(German)
29.04092802 galychanyn(Ukrainian_Boyko_Highlander)
29.04156848 IceQueen(British)
29.05373986 Calcifer(Afrikaner-Polish-German)
29.08521961 Voidspawn(Romanian)
29.11638199 Nassbean(Morrocan)
29.15613315 Graham's_Dad(Scottish)
29.19119730 NielsW(Dutch-German)
29.19418949 Uull(Prussian_American)
29.25368353 Ion_Basescul_dad(Moldovan)
29.32548209 Reith(German-Norse_American)
29.42552124 Incelslayer(Romanian)
29.52909074 Karakartal(Balkan_Turk)
29.53464745 Mars(Dutch)
29.55017936 Voskos(Greek_Cretan)
29.59788506 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
29.61151296 Ph2ter_wife(Croat)
29.68020216 ph2ter_son(Croat)
29.72765716 Stearsolina(Croat)
29.75261165 CommonSense_mother(Serb_3/8_Croat-Romanian)
29.77658812 Adamg(Czech-German)
29.78339302 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)
29.78626697 Alenka(Slovenian-Croat-Serb)
29.85629079 Deniz(Balkan_Turk)
30.00542784 TheBalkanite(Bulgarian)
30.23882438 RandomGuy20(Australian)
30.30863408 LongbowmanPatriarch(Ashkenazi)
30.31460374 Creoda(English-Irish)
30.33603633 Ion_Basescul_brother(Moldovan)
30.36301204 kingjohn(Jew)
30.37244804 Longbowman(Jewish)
30.37719869 Ph2ter(Croat)
30.39061533 Graham(Scottish)
30.52272105 Vlatko_vukovic(Bosniak)
30.55952552 Kuningaz(Finn-Turk)
30.56712450 migrec(Balkan_Turk)
30.58514509 Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
30.62988247 IrisSelene(Romanian-Hungarian)
30.68329676 Dominicanese(Dominican)
30.69333804 Snkves(Swedish)
30.70868118 evon(Norwegian)
30.73489222 Knez01(Croat)
30.83881321 Zmey(Moldovan)
30.84977472 greasycaveman(Russian-white_American)
30.87736064 Grace(Irish)
30.88850272 Westcoast(Croat)
30.97960458 Kaspias(Balkan_Turk-Pomak)
31.18736924 GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
31.20283481 cakmir7y(Czech)
31.21874917 Kriptc06_grandma(Brazilian)
31.25665689 Black_Wolf_gfather(South_Italian)
31.26382254 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
31.52775603 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
31.55109031 MsSPF(Algerian_Berber)
31.60539986 CreodaDad(Irish)
31.62068785 Alessio_mother(Dutch)
31.72495390 ksha(East_Central_Euro_mix)
31.75944584 Drogin(Norwegian-Finnish)
31.82053582 Axios(Moroccan)
31.85072056 LongbowmanMatriarch(mixed_Jewish)
31.87704190 Farke1(British_Islander-Norwegian)
31.90991695 Potentia(Mexican-white_American)
32.11487350 rein(Jordanian-Russian)
32.15590304 Calxpal_grandma(Southwest_Ukrainian)
32.30036997 Cordedwhelp_mom(white_American)
32.30389915 Matxe92(Danish-Polish)
32.41325038 Voidspawn_mom(Romanian)
32.41703719 Max_soldo(Croat)
32.52739153 Deniz_father(Balkan_Turk)
32.59732351 Alenka_Dad(Croat-Serb)
32.75356927 Paytonmil(Israeli)
32.78295899 Albannach(Scottish-Irish)
32.86760715 Madonna_father(Rusyn)
32.97281001 Karol(Slovak_¼_white_American)
33.23678234 Ayarezki(Algerian_Kabyle)
33.24511242 Pine(Jew)
33.40255679 Natalie(Czech)
33.43561126 MysteriousWays(Jewish_American)
33.52506823 Meerkat(Ashkenazi)
33.58593158 cakmir7y_wife(Czech)
33.74143002 Karol_father(Slovak)
33.76499223 OrhanU(Turk)
34.03640551 Halge(Swedish)
34.04763575 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather1(German-Rus-Polish)
34.18906843 Universe(Hungarian)
34.26784499 Mazik(Swedish)
34.30106412 Ion_Basescul_mom(Moldovan)
34.57506905 Ryujin(Balkan-Anatolian_Turk)
34.63442507 Karol_friend(Czech)
34.64330094 Sp_Loa_grandma(Morrocan_Jew)
34.74668473 Kostej(Slovak)
34.81419394 StevenJac(Goral_Polish)
34.86593753 Manda(Croat)
34.93590703 nuti(Slovak)
34.98937982 Bakha(Bukharan-Russian)
35.05300558 Abo_mom(Spanish-Pakistani)
35.35320636 nasaz(Algerian)
35.37193238 Peterski_Father(Polish)
35.38832435 Sp_Loa(Morrocan_Jew)
35.42629250 Schwop(Swedish)
35.80746570 noricum_halfbro(Austrian-Slovene)
35.84728721 Art23(Ukrainian_¼_Moldovan)
35.99863192 Iẓeḍwan-n-Nanna-Tuda(Moroccan_Berber)
36.36465867 War_Chief(Gagauz-Ossetian-Ukrainian)
37.07003237 Pajkosbalna(Hungarian)
37.26241806 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
37.35302264 Hapanuwa(Turk_Aegean)
37.47716505 Peterski(Polish)
37.47943436 Mazik_grandpa(Swedish)
37.73633130 Daos777(Ukrainian-Moldovan-Polish)
37.85739426 talombo(Israeli_Jewish)
37.90676193 Unknown_European(Jew)
38.11950288 Peterski_Grandma(Polish)
38.13790110 All(Silesian)
38.22745349 Abriekman(Pole-Rus-Bulgarian-Jew)
38.24878168 jfgh676(Moroccan)
38.25850755 gültekin(Turk)
38.61203569 Peterski_Mother(Polish)
38.85265885 Peterski_Grandpa(Polish)
39.01734358 GreentheViper(British-Mexican)
39.11706789 samario(Colombian)
39.14099769 Astarte(Greek_Cypriot)
39.16560736 Elias(Morrocan-Syrian)
39.16810054 Adamm(Moroccan)
39.44093432 Madonna(Polish-Rusyn)
39.72168174 Madonna_husband(Polish)
39.76828636 Beo242(Russian-German)
39.83464321 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)
39.92073146 Turkminator(Turk)
39.93153641 Peterski_Cousin(Polish)
40.03480860 Madonna_son(Polish)
40.37292533 Cumansky(Polish-Ukrainian)
40.63910555 walid(Moroccan)
40.89096355 Lemgrant(Ukrainian)
41.01181659 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
41.07521759 Michal(Polish)
41.08331657 Lemgrant_mother(Ukrainian)
41.24048011 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
41.33500937 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
41.61958674 vali18(Algerian)
41.95478519 Dimadoe(Russian)
42.09208477 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
42.13595496 axel.axelman(Panamanian)
42.19867770 Polak(Polish-Ukrainian)
42.27383706 Vyacheslav(Russian)
42.32431098 marco(Moroccan)
42.49760934 Visar(Polish)
42.51394948 Silentkiller(Russian)
42.75457636 Roy(Polish)
42.82515149 Arhat(Russian_¼_Afghan)
42.91648168 A-ha(Ukrainian)
43.01179141 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(Russian-Polish)
43.21555160 Yakaemir(Turk)
43.31188867 Lemminkainen(Finn)
43.57107527 Thanas_Django(Greek_Cypriot)
43.73388160 SSlava(Russian)
43.95701650 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
44.00217267 Krivich(Russian)
44.19848187 Not_a_Cop(Russian)
44.32142484 ramillo(Syrian)
44.48669127 Ulaş(Turkish-Kazakh-Kyrgyz)
44.86495514 El_Abominacion(Multi-Racial)
44.86583110 Norka(Russian-CrimeanTatar)
45.02813676 Pipa(Russian)
45.06847568 rurov0(Russian)
45.20280190 Mary(Russian)
45.28696832 Lukasz(Polish)
45.58673711 valera27(Russian)
45.84352081 Rius(Turk)
45.97077224 I.vet(Russian)
46.19834304 Böri(Turk)
46.87701249 Kamal900(Palestinian)
46.89237145 Leto_Dad(Belorussian)
47.27358565 Blondbeast(Russian)
47.54707772 Chris00009(Roma)
47.66022031 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
47.77310645 Malkoz(Turkey)
47.86792245 Leto_Mom(Russian)
48.32031146 Jusarius(Finn)
48.33532456 Yamnaya(Russian_¼_Bashkir)
48.62640538 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother1(Russian)
48.68747786 Happycow(Palestinian_Muslim)
48.69835932 LecomtsevAlexander(Russian)
48.89323777 Aila(Finn)
49.11535707 Abdelnour(Lebanese)
49.55411083 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
50.71672900 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
50.73087226 Bender(Turk)
50.94424305 waam(Jew)
51.31103488 Orangepulp(Turk)
51.33256569 Vari(Estonian)
51.66982195 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
51.81912292 Levant15(Palestinian_Christian)
51.83227662 MaldenK(Palestinian)
51.98781684 Hadouken(Kurd)
52.45327826 Yaglakar(Uyghur)
52.53202928 Sippola(Finn)
52.73574405 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
52.74821893 Buusra(Avar_Turkey)
52.99157480 Lotusflower(Chinese-European)
53.01081116 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
53.15377033 Psy-Sprite(Mexican)
54.13103915 Shelati(Assyrian)
54.61587040 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
54.64551949 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
54.72852730 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
54.81964247 Nazarene(Assyrian)
54.86598855 Demhat(Kurd)
55.17551359 Elnar(VolgaTatar-Mordvin)
55.24718002 Azbuzz(Parsi)

[Komintasavalta]

Nice, maybe smaller font size, more names will be visible.

Here's a PDF version with an ultra tiny font size: 107454.

When I calculated the distances between the users, this time I did not multiply the user coordinates by the FST matrix. Maybe it's actually not the right way to take the FST distances between the components in account.

[Leto]

@Komintasavalta
Why do you spam the thread with this gobbledygook? You better post your own coordinates (another Finn told me you are a Western Finn).

[Jana]

I used my script for making polygonal diagrams to plot all entries from the docx file in the first post of this thread:

https://i.ibb.co/wRJvB4k/poly.jpg

I reordered the components because it doesn't make sense that Baltic is between North_Atlantic and West_Med.

Here's a version where the last 8 components have been merged:

https://i.ibb.co/n8RWqyN/hexa.jpg


library(tidyverse)
library(colorspace)
library(ggforce)

t=read.csv("https://pastebin.com/raw/j2tWbymn",row.names=1,check.names=F)/100

fst=read.csv(row.names=1,check.names=F,text=",North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian,East_Me d,Red_Sea,South_Asian,East_Asian,Siberian,Amerindi an,Oceanian,Northeast_African,Sub-Saharan
North_Atlantic,0,19,28,26,26,52,64,114,111,138,179 ,122,146
Baltic,19,0,36,32,35,62,65,114,111,137,181,127,0.1 5
West_Med,28,36,0,36,28,0.05,76,122,123,154,187,124 ,0.15
West_Asian,26,32,36,0,21,48,57,0.11,109,138,177,11 6,0.14
East_Med,26,35,28,21,0,39,0.06,111,112,144,176,108 ,135
Red_Sea,52,62,0.05,48,39,0,82,127,0.13,161,191,121 ,141
South_Asian,64,65,76,57,0.06,82,0,76,83,0.12,146,1 13,133
East_Asian,114,114,122,0.11,111,127,76,0,56,113,16 6,145,164
Siberian,111,111,123,109,112,0.13,83,56,0,105,177, 151,0.17
Amerindian,138,137,154,138,144,161,0.12,113,105,0, 217,185,204
Oceanian,179,181,187,177,176,191,146,166,177,217,0 ,203,0.22
Northeast_African,122,127,124,116,108,121,113,145, 151,185,203,0,41
Sub-Saharan,146,0.15,0.15,0.14,135,141,133,164,0.17,20 4,0.22,41,0")

ord=c(8,9,10,2,1,3,4,5,6,7,11,12,13)
t=t[,ord]
n=ncol(t)

corners=sapply(c(sin,cos),function(f)f(seq(0,2,len gth.out=n+1)%>%head(-1)*pi))
corners=corners*min(2/diff(apply(corners,2,range)))
corners[,2]=corners[,2]-mean(range(corners[,2]))

xy=as.data.frame(as.matrix(t)%*%corners)
grid=as.data.frame(rbind(cbind(corners,rbind(corne rs[-1,],corners[1,])),cbind(corners,matrix(apply(corners,2,mean),ncol =2,nrow=n,byrow=T))))

dis=dist(as.matrix(t)%*%sqrt(as.matrix(fst)[ord,ord])) # multiply by square root of FST matrix when calculating nearest neighbors and clusters
# dis=dist(t) # don't multiply by FST

dist=as.data.frame(as.matrix(dis))
seg=lapply(1:4,function(i)apply(dist,1,function(x) unlist(xy[names(sort(x)[i]),],use.names=F))%>%t%>%cbind(xy))%>%do.call(rbind,.)%>%setNames(paste0("V",1:4))
xy$k=as.factor(cutree(hclust(dis),12))

hue=c(0,20,40,60,90,120,150,180,200,230,260,290,33 0)
sat=c(.5,.6,.6,.6,.6,.6,.6,.6,.6,.5,.5,.5,.5)
pal1=c(hex(HSV(hue,sat,1)),hex(HSV(hue,sat/2,1)))
pal2=c(hex(HSV(hue,.5*sat,1)),hex(HSV(hue,.4*sat,1 )))

angle=head(seq(360,0,length.out=n+1),-1)
angle=ifelse(angle>90&angle<=270,angle+180,angle)

ggplot(xy,aes(x=V1,y=V2))+
geom_polygon(data=as.data.frame(corners),fill="gray25")+
geom_text(data=as.data.frame(corners),aes(x=1.04*V 1,y=1.04*V2),label=names(t),size=3.2,angle=angle,c olor="gray70")+
geom_segment(data=grid,aes(x=V1,y=V2,xend=V3,yend= V4),color="gray20",size=.5)+
geom_mark_hull(aes(group=k,color=k,fill=k),concavi ty=1000,radius=unit(.3,"cm"),expand=unit(.3,"cm"),alpha=.15,size=.1)+
geom_segment(data=seg,aes(x=V1,y=V2,xend=V3,yend=V 4),color="gray10",size=.3)+
geom_point(aes(color=k),size=.5)+
# geom_text_repel(aes(label=rownames(xy),color=k),ma x.overlaps=Inf,force=4,force_pull=2,size=2.3,segme nt.size=.2,min.segment.length=.2,box.padding=.05)+
geom_text(aes(label=rownames(xy),color=k),size=2.2 ,vjust=-.6)+
coord_fixed(xlim=c(-1,1),ylim=c(-1,1))+
# coord_cartesian(xlim=c(-.2,1),ylim=c(-1,0))+ # zoom in
scale_fill_manual(values=pal1)+
scale_color_manual(values=pal2)+
theme(axis.text=element_blank(),axis.ticks=element _blank(),axis.title=element_blank(),panel.grid=ele ment_blank(),legend.position="none",
panel.background=element_rect(fill="gray20"),plot.background=element_rect(fill="gray20",color=NA,size=0),plot.margin=margin(0,0,0,0))

ggsave("a.png",width=8,height=8)

Below are also biplots where each user is linked with a line to their three closest neighbors. When I calculated the nearest neighbors and the clusters, I multiplied the matrix of user coordinates by the square root of the FST matrix between the components. When I didn't take a square root, the multiplication seemed to have a too dramatic effect. The colored clusters are based on cutting a hierarchial clustering tree in 12 parts below a certain height, similar to the colored tree in the circular bar chart later in this post.

Some mysterious lost Tatar-Mordvin user is the highest on PC2. And the second highest is Yamnaya (who is 1/4 Bashkir?). The lowest on PC1 is some inactive Finnish user. Lemminkäinen is probably the most wog-shifted Finnish user.

https://i.ibb.co/GCg00hS/1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/zx08j41/3.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/ydYkMDb/5.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/LSqL4v6/7.jpg


library(tidyverse)
library(colorspace)
library(ggforce)

t=read.csv("https://pastebin.com/raw/j2tWbymn",row.names=1,check.names=F)/100

fst=read.csv(row.names=1,check.names=F,text=",North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian,East_Me d,Red_Sea,South_Asian,East_Asian,Siberian,Amerindi an,Oceanian,Northeast_African,Sub-Saharan
North_Atlantic,0,19,28,26,26,52,64,114,111,138,179 ,122,146
Baltic,19,0,36,32,35,62,65,114,111,137,181,127,0.1 5
West_Med,28,36,0,36,28,0.05,76,122,123,154,187,124 ,0.15
West_Asian,26,32,36,0,21,48,57,0.11,109,138,177,11 6,0.14
East_Med,26,35,28,21,0,39,0.06,111,112,144,176,108 ,135
Red_Sea,52,62,0.05,48,39,0,82,127,0.13,161,191,121 ,141
South_Asian,64,65,76,57,0.06,82,0,76,83,0.12,146,1 13,133
East_Asian,114,114,122,0.11,111,127,76,0,56,113,16 6,145,164
Siberian,111,111,123,109,112,0.13,83,56,0,105,177, 151,0.17
Amerindian,138,137,154,138,144,161,0.12,113,105,0, 217,185,204
Oceanian,179,181,187,177,176,191,146,166,177,217,0 ,203,0.22
Northeast_African,122,127,124,116,108,121,113,145, 151,185,203,0,41
Sub-Saharan,146,0.15,0.15,0.14,135,141,133,164,0.17,20 4,0.22,41,0")

p=prcomp(t)
p2=as.data.frame(p$x)
pct=paste0(colnames(p$x)," (",sprintf("%.1f",p$sdev/sum(p$sdev)*100),"%)")
k=cutree(hclust(dist(t)),k=12)
ranges=apply(p2,2,function(x)abs(max(x)-min(x)))
p2$k=k
load=p$rotation

hue=c(0,20,40,60,90,120,150,180,200,230,260,320)
sat=c(.4,.5,.5,.5,.5,.5,.5,.5,.5,.35,.35,.4)
pal1=hex(HSV(hue,sat,1))
pal2=hex(HSV(hue,.7*sat,1))

dist=as.data.frame(as.matrix(dist(as.matrix(t)%*%s qrt(as.matrix(fst)))))

for(i in seq(1,7,2)){
seg=lapply(1:3+1,function(j)apply(dist,1,function( x)unlist(p2[names(sort(x)[j]),c(i,i+1)],use.names=F))%>%t%>%cbind(p2[,c(i,i+1)]))%>%do.call(rbind,.)%>%setNames(paste0("V",1:4))

mult=min(max(p2[,i])/max(load[,i]),max(p2[,i+1])/max(load[,i+1]))

xpc=sym(paste0("PC",i))
ypc=sym(paste0("PC",i+1))

ggplot(p2,aes(!!xpc,!!ypc))+
ggforce::geom_mark_hull(aes(group=k),color=pal1[as.factor(k)],fill=pal1[as.factor(k)],concavity=100,radius=unit(.15,"cm"),expand=unit(.15,"cm"),alpha=.2,size=.2)+
geom_segment(data=seg,aes(x=V1,y=V2,xend=V3,yend=V 4),color="black",size=.2)+
geom_segment(data=as.data.frame(load),aes(x=0,y=0, xend=mult*!!xpc,yend=mult*!!ypc),arrow=arrow(lengt h=unit(.3,"lines")),color="gray90",size=.4)+
annotate("text",x=(mult*load[,i]),y=(mult*load[,i+1]),label=rownames(load),size=2.5,vjust=ifelse(load[,i+1]>0,-.5,1.4),color="gray90")+
geom_point(aes(x=!!xpc,y=!!ypc),color=pal1[as.factor(k)],size=.3)+
geom_text(aes(x=!!xpc,y=!!ypc,label=rownames(p2)), color=pal2[as.factor(k)],size=2,vjust=-.7)+
labs(x=pct[i],y=pct[i+1])+
coord_fixed()+
scale_x_continuous(breaks=seq(-1,1,.1),expand=expansion(mult=.06))+
scale_y_continuous(breaks=seq(-1,1,.1))+
theme(
aspect.ratio=1,
axis.text=element_text(color="gray80",size=6),
axis.text.y=element_text(angle=90,vjust=1,hjust=.5 ),
axis.ticks=element_blank(),
axis.ticks.length=unit(0,"pt"),
axis.title=element_text(color="gray80",size=8),
legend.position="none",
panel.background=element_rect(fill="gray25",color=NA),
panel.border=element_rect(color="gray35",fill=NA,size=.4),
panel.grid.major=element_line(color="gray35",size=.2),
panel.grid.minor=element_blank(),
plot.background=element_rect(fill="gray25",color=NA)
)

ggsave(paste0(i,".png"),width=9,height=9)
}

Here's a bar chart that only shows the first five components, where I mostly just included users who have been the most active in the past year. Sorry if I missed you, but I have a hard time telling all of you brown people apart from each other.

This time the clustering is done without taking the FST distances between the components into account.

https://i.ibb.co/m5h5C4V/5uYTBDr.jpg

Here's a biplot of the same users:

https://i.ibb.co/gWvrqCC/1.jpg


library(circlize)
library(vegan) # for reorder.hclust
library(dendextend) # for color_branches
library(ComplexHeatmap) # for Legend

t=read.csv("https://pastebin.com/raw/j2tWbymn",row.names=1,check.names=F)/100
users=readLines("https://pastebin.com/raw/9sK4QGtP")
t=t[rownames(t)%in%users,]
t=cbind(t[,c(2,1,3,5,4)],rowSums(t[,6:13]))
names(t)[6]="Other"

names(t)
hc=hclust(dist(t2))
hc=reorder(hc,-(2*t[,1]+t[,2]-t[,4]-2*t[,5]-4*t[,6]))

labelcolor=hcl(c(260,60,120,00,210,30,320,0)+15,c( 60,60,60,0,60,60,60,60),70)
barcolor=c(hcl(c(210,120,60,30,0)+15,60,70),hcl(0, 0,60))

labels=hc$labels[hc$order]
cut=cutree(hc,8)
dend=color_branches(as.dendrogram(hc),k=length(uni que(cut)),col=labelcolor[unique(cut[labels])])
t=t[hc$labels[hc$order],]

circos.clear()
png("a.png",w=3000,h=3000,res=300)
circos.par(cell.padding=c(0,0,0,0),gap.degree=5,po ints.overflow.warning=F)
circos.initialize("a",xlim=c(0,nrow(t)))

circos.track(ylim=c(0,1),bg.border=NA,track.height =.28,track.margin=c(.01,0),
panel.fun=function(x,y)for(i in 1:nrow(t))circos.text(i-.5,0,labels[i],adj=c(0,.5),facing="clockwise",niceFacing=T,cex=.65,col=labelcolor[cut[labels[i]]]))

circos.track(ylim=c(0,1),track.margin=c(0,0),track .height=.3,bg.lty=0,panel.fun=function(x,y){
mat=as.matrix(t)
pos=1:nrow(mat)-.5
barwidth=1
for(i in 1:ncol(mat)){
seq1=rowSums(mat[,seq(i-1),drop=F])
seq2=rowSums(mat[,seq(i),drop=F])
circos.rect(pos-barwidth/2,if(i==1){0}else{seq1},pos+barwidth/2,seq2,col=barcolor[i],border="gray15",lwd=.1)
}
for(i in 1:ncol(mat)){
seq1=rowSums(mat[,seq(i-1),drop=F])
seq2=rowSums(mat[,seq(i),drop=F])
lab=round(100*t[,i])
lab[lab<=1]=""
circos.text(pos,if(i==1){seq1/2}else{seq1+(seq2-seq1)/2},labels=lab,col="gray15",cex=.5,facing="downward")
}
})

circos.track(ylim=c(0,attr(dend,"height")),bg.border=NA,track.margin=c(0,.0015),track.heig ht=.36,panel.fun=function(x,y)circos.dendrogram(de nd))

circos.clear()

leg=Legend(at=names(t),legend_gp=gpar(col=barcolor ),background=barcolor,type="points")
draw(leg,x=unit(6,"mm"),y=unit(6,"mm"),just=c("left","bottom"))

dev.off()

This is fantastic, thank you!!

[Jana]

Here's another one with more users (I don't remember if some of these are active):

https://i.ibb.co/YWb7XGZ/b.jpg

Same but visualized as a square version of a ternary diagram:

https://i.ibb.co/4Z8RRds/a.jpg

Both images use the same colored clusters, which are based on cutting a hierarchical clustering tree at the height where it has 16 subtrees.

It's cool how in the bar chart above, Finns have only 10% of the brown component. Teutone and Richmondbread have almost 30% of the brown component, so the difference between them and Finns is about as big as the difference between them and some of the more brown Balkanites.

Also I'm jealous of Aila's Mongoloid percentage (8.46% Siberian and 1.87% Amerindian). I think she was part Vepsian or part Saami or something. I'm afraid to get tested, because I think I'm 1/8 Eastern Finnish and 7/8 Western Finnish, so my mong percent would probably only make me depressed.

Here's all users who had 10% or more of the East_Asian, Siberian, and Amerindian components added together:


UserEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianEast_Asian + Siberian + Amerindian
Iloko(Filipino)83.202.560.9686.72
Harley(Samoan)69.1101.6570.76
Knowledge_is_king(Kazakh)23.5733.832.3559.75
Lotusflower(Chinese-European)44.545.05049.59
myouss(Chinese-Assyrian)39.489.10.7649.34
Psy-Sprite(Mexican)5.091.5541.9348.57
Yaglakar(Uyghur)19.7323.221.4444.39
GreentheViper(British-Mexican)01.8131.2733.08
Ulaş(Turkish-Kazakh-Kyrgyz)14.1517.390.8832.42
axel.axelman(Panamanian)10.021.8218.8230.66
Potentia(Mexican-white_American)0.820.9526.9128.68
samario(Colombian)0.320.0926.7827.19
Elnar(VolgaTatar-Mordvin)5.1020.94026.04
tiagogdeandrade(Brazilian)1.63018.1319.76
Kalkin(Salvadorean-Polish)01.817.9319.73
El_Abominacion(Multi-Racial)16.3701.0817.45
Ekaitza(Colombian)0.040.0116.7916.84
Böri(Turk)5.039.811.0515.89
Kriptc06_grandma(Brazilian)0015.7515.75
Baboon(Romanian-Latin_American)1.560.4812.5914.63
Mixdguy17(Venezuelan)2.120.0912.4114.62
Turkminator(Turk)3.518.261.9813.75
Kriptc06(Brazilian-Bulgarian)0013.313.3
Dore(Puerto_Rican-¼_British)0012.7812.78
gültekin(Turk)4.586.111.3612.05
Bakha(Bukharan-Russian)3.117.051.6611.82
Kazbolat(Karachay)2.566.981.3910.93
Owight_gavnah(Afghan)3.706.210.9410.85
Dominicanese(Dominican)01.629.0510.67
Hapanuwa(Turk_Aegean)5.455.17010.62
Aila(Finn)08.461.8710.33
Jusarius(Finn)0.268.691.0710.02


Can you make one chart where North Atlantic and Baltic are added togheder? I don't find it justified to lump west Med with Red sea for example, they are much further apart than North Atlantic and Baltic genetically.

I'd be most interested to see breakdown like this:

NA + Baltic + West Med (core European)
West Asian + East Med + Red Sea (exotic Caucasoid)
The rest

[Jana]

Komintasavalta work is great, but his bias towards northern components brings the grade down. You can't separate Irish and Lithuanian like component but lump together Basque/Sardinian and Saudi/Yemeni like component.

[Leto]

Can you make one chart where North Atlantic and Baltic are added togheder? I don't find it justified to lump west Med with Red sea for example, they are much further apart than North Atlantic and Baltic genetically.

I'd be most interested to see breakdown like this:

NA + Baltic + West Med (core European)
West Asian + East Med + Red Sea (exotic Caucasoid)
The rest
That guy believes the Southern half of Europe (I guess including former Yu as well as Northern Italy and Southern France) is "brown" but the Finns are the true whites...

[Jana]

That guy believes the Southern half of Europe (I guess including former Yu as well as Northern Italy and Southern France) is "brown" but the Finns are the true whites...

I have no problem with his opinions, but since he's good at making such charts I'd like to see one with more realistic breakdown. Our biases shouldn't influence our work which should be as realistic as possible.

[Kriptc06]

I used my script for making polygonal diagrams to plot all entries from the docx file in the first post of this thread:

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bro! this is amazing! nice work!

[Petalpusher]

I have no problem with his opinions, but since he's good at making such charts I'd like to see one with more realistic breakdown. Our biases shouldn't influence our work which should be as realistic as possible.

It would only look good in 3D. In 2D it's often just a lot of flatness bias and practically projecting a K13 into a K3/K4 which defeats a bit the purpose, visually lumping very different things together.

This one actually looks good


https://i.ibb.co/GCg00hS/1.jpg

It just shows everything going up is oriented towards Eastern Eurasia and everything going right towards MENA and Africa but any pca with decently plugged datas can achieve that as well. The problem in 2D is even with the fst, you can try to reinvent the wheel, but you might end up making it square. Good effort nonetheless.

[Freeroostah]

Distance to: Vangos
4.29215564 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)
4.60584411 *****(Macedonian)
5.16880063 DRUM(Albanian)
5.34818661 Vale(Macedonian)
5.52276199 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
5.54860343 Vasil(Macedonian)
5.62355759 Coolguy(Greek)
5.80609163 paradox(Greek_Macedonian-Cretan)
5.82974270 Pan(Greek)
5.83303523 Nilotik(Albanian)
5.87789078 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
5.95763376 Catgeorge(Greek)
5.99064270 Kouros(Greek)
6.05971947 hithaeglir(Greek)
6.16413011 Dorian(Greek)
6.26902704 Xripkan(Greek)
6.97400889 KrashNick(Albanian_¼_Croat)
7.00023571 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
7.04175404 Sofia(Bulgarian)
7.06230132 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
7.10660256 Pagane_Mom(Bulgarian)
7.16313479 Kelmendasi(Albanian)
7.18431625 Kleenex(Greek)
7.45990617 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
7.64577661 ovidiu(Romanian)

Target: Vangos
Distance: 64.4867% / 0.64486679 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.6 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)
22.2 Kouros(Greek)
16.2 Dorian(Greek)
5.8 Kelmendasi(Albanian)
4.0 rein(Jordanian-Russian)
4.0 vali18(Algerian)
0.2 *****(Macedonian)

[Jana]

What are exact origins of JosephK and CordedWhelp mother? I'd like to re-label them because obviously they got lot of east-central Euro blood.
White_American label I prefer to use for generic ones who are mainly British Isles and/or German origins.

[J. Ketch]

Humanophage(Russian),23.93,50.79,8.65,4.62,3.26,1. 77,2.61,0,1.72,1.84,0.45,0,0.35

[Jana]

Humanophage(Russian),23.93,50.79,8.65,4.62,3.26,1. 77,2.61,0,1.72,1.84,0.45,0,0.35

Added.

[Leto]

What are exact origins of JosephK and CordedWhelp mother? I'd like to re-label them because obviously they got lot of east-central Euro blood.
White_American label I prefer to use for generic ones who are mainly British Isles and/or German origins.
Joseph is half Hungarian, I believe. Or Slovak. Maybe even both.
Corded's mother is half Polish half Danish with a bit of Jewish (1/8 I believe, so can be omitted).
But people with that kind of ancestry can be thoroughly assimilated Americans who speak only English. Italian, Polish, Greek, as well as German and Jewish immigration to the U.S. was prominent in the early 20th century, i.e. over a century ago.

[Leto]

Humanophage(Russian),23.93,50.79,8.65,4.62,3.26,1. 77,2.61,0,1.72,1.84,0.45,0,0.35
Never interacted with that guy, I thought he was a long-gone user, possibly before I even got here. Where is his Russian ancestry from if anyone knows?

[Jana]

Users closest to selected national averages:

Distance to: Albanian

2.61778532 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
2.63376157 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
2.66364412 DRUM(Albanian)
3.34426375 hithaeglir(Greek)
3.79790732 Vasil(Macedonian)
4.23781783 Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
4.28754009 IceT(Albanian)
4.37547712 Nilotik(Albanian)
4.55021977 Ylla(Albanian)
4.62698606 HellLander87(Greek)
4.68974413 KrashNick(Albanian_¼_Croat)
4.85125757 Catgeorge(Greek)
5.06485933 Geni(Albanian)
5.13878390 Kleenex(Greek)
5.18711866 Dukagjini(Albanian)
5.21921450 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
5.32232092 Freeroostah(Greek)
5.60481043 *****(Macedonian)
5.72649980 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
5.93602561 Journeyman26(Italian-Greek)
6.04206918 Kelmendasi(Albanian)
6.28525258 Xripkan(Greek)
6.46867065 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
6.51799049 Pan(Greek)
6.54233139 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)

Distance to: Ashkenazi

3.12443595 Meerkat(Ashkenazi)
4.84599835 LongbowmanMatriarch(mixed_Jewish)
5.44231568 Paytonmil(Israeli)
5.70367425 Longbowman(Jewish)
6.01072375 crazyladybutterfly(South_Italian)
6.31183808 ModernMaskil(Ashkenazi)
6.70818903 MysteriousWays(Jewish_American)
7.22452767 Pine(Jew)
7.37743180 Black_Wolf_gfather(South_Italian)
7.47787403 LongbowmanPatriarch(Ashkenazi)
7.48473112 kingjohn(Jew)
7.61721734 AK-47(Ashkenazi_1/8_Scottish)
7.82322184 Voskos(Greek_Cretan)
7.98557449 Sp_Loa_grandma(Morrocan_Jew)
8.21857652 SUPREEEEEME(Ashkenazi)
8.54723932 Markos(Greek)
8.57648529 giulioimpa(Italian)
9.14725095 Principe_Azzurro(South_Italian)
9.19417207 pmv74(South_Italian)
9.97980962 Sp_Loa(Morrocan_Jew)
10.11711421 peloponnesian(Greek)
10.29203576 Dorian(Greek)
10.79582327 Journeyman26(Italian-Greek)
11.07734174 Übermensch(South_Italian)
11.13074571 Unknown_European(Jew)

Distance to: Austrian

3.72317069 Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
3.74132330 Calpal(British-French-Ukrainian)
4.48075886 Dunai(Hungarian)
4.83841916 Mr.G(Hungarian-German)
4.90066322 Turul_Karom(Hungarian)
4.95227221 Black_wolf(Euro_Canadian)
5.11965819 magicalM(Hungarian)
5.34014981 Blanka_husband(Hungarian)
5.80245638 Aye(Serb-British)
5.85156389 TieRed(French-Serb)
5.89493851 Richmondbread(white_American)
6.09945079 yowasgeht(Volga_German)
6.21450722 Stahlbestie91(German)
6.22086811 Videx(Hungarian)
6.29466441 JosephK(white_American)
6.33061608 MotherKyp(South_German)
6.41918219 Mr.G_father(Hungarian)
6.59514973 Grundig(German_American)
6.64067768 yowasgeht_father(Volga_German)
6.74542808 Slavic_Italian(white_American)
6.87363805 Smitty_mom(German-Italian_American)
7.06496284 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)
7.08048021 Noricum(Austrian)
7.10796736 Calcifer(Afrikaner-Polish-German)
7.19436585 RandomGuy20(Australian)

Distance to: Belgian

1.94558475 Mr.G_mother(German_American)
2.21697993 ArmatusGrandfather(West_German)
2.26046455 Jingorex(white_American)
3.12368372 Jackson(English)
3.42801692 Norb(English)
3.43195280 wisteria(white_American)
3.50647972 Laly_husband(Walloon)
3.51072642 acbrasil(white_Brazilian)
3.52513830 InfamousAngel99(white_American)
3.63447383 Prettydambrittish(Anglo-American)
3.77719473 Skeleton(white_American)
3.94180162 yowasgeht_mom(Volga_German)
4.08685698 Inf99Dad(white_American)
4.28450697 Jackson_aunt(English)
4.30453249 Oneeye(white_American)
4.67383140 Rædwald(English-French_Canadian)
4.69848912 Gooding(Anglo_American)
4.75616442 Inf99MGma(white_American)
4.84027892 jtoml3(New_Zealander)
4.89005112 Davystayn(British)
4.90491590 Calpal_sister(British-French-Ukrainian)
4.98227860 Morticia(white_American)
5.19694141 Jackson_mother(English)
5.23659240 TieRed_father(Northern_French)
5.25451235 TribalSky(English)

Distance to: Belorussian

3.83284490 I.vet(Russian)
4.06759142 Lukasz(Polish)
5.33431345 rurov0(Russian)
5.35520308 Polak(Polish-Ukrainian)
5.40137020 valera27(Russian)
5.68084501 Krivich(Russian)
5.87391692 Lemgrant_mother(Ukrainian)
5.91055835 Mary(Russian)
6.06098177 Leto_Dad(Belorussian)
6.07703875 SSlava(Russian)
6.07948189 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother1(Russian)
6.18374482 Silentkiller(Russian)
6.26704875 Lemgrant(Ukrainian)
6.41530202 Michal(Polish)
6.48151217 Humanophage(Russian)
6.52927255 Roy(Polish)
6.53736185 Vyacheslav(Russian)
6.58855068 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
6.59528620 A-ha(Ukrainian)
6.59652181 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
6.87531090 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
6.90396263 Peterski_Grandpa(Polish)
7.05630215 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(Russian-Polish)
7.11236951 Beo242(Russian-German)
7.12067413 Not_a_Cop(Russian)

[Jana]

Distance to: Bosniak

2.21463315 un4given(Croat)
2.86213207 Voidspawn_dad(Romanian)
2.89862036 Aye's_father(Serb)
3.20604117 Ford(Serb)
3.29895438 Tschaikisten(Serb)
3.45351994 lilalila1988(Serb)
3.54201920 HungryLion(Serb)
3.80596900 Ljubic(Croat)
3.83391445 Chris(Hungarian)
3.87124011 Zmey(Moldovan)
3.88749277 Vlatko_vukovic(Bosniak)
4.17934205 Westcoast(Croat)
4.22665352 Devil's_advocate(Serb)
4.24185101 Ion_Basescul_dad(Moldovan)
4.24636315 Nurzat(Romanian-Rusyn)
4.29585847 Ion_Basescul(Moldovan)
4.41137167 Bosniensis(Bosniak)
4.53436875 Voidspawn(Romanian)
4.61781334 wd1089(Romanian)
4.65511547 Stearsolina_Father(Croat)
4.79099155 Dušan(Serb)
5.04444249 Alenka(Slovenian-Croat-Serb)
5.41196822 Alenka_Dad(Croat-Serb)
5.43597277 galychanyn(Ukrainian_Boyko_Highlander)
5.44000000 Ion_Basescul_brother(Moldovan)

Distance to: Bulgarian

2.73775455 Sofia(Bulgarian)
2.74818122 ovidiu(Romanian)
3.21665976 CătălinCristian(Romanian)
3.44827493 Ogi(Montenegrin)
3.55568559 Vojnik(Macedonian)
3.89538188 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)
4.05004938 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
4.20833696 Vale(Macedonian)
4.54005507 FellowGF(Romanian)
4.70975583 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
4.75726812 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
4.92184925 *****(Macedonian)
4.96698097 Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
4.97587178 Chrisbab_dad(Romanian)
5.04301497 paradox_dad(Greek_Macedonian)
5.09264175 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
5.12911298 JohnnyP(Macedonian-Serb-Croat)
5.50685028 Deniz_grandpa(Balkan_Turk)
5.74861723 Gobius(Romanian)
5.94815097 Fieraru(Romanian)
5.97128127 Vasil(Macedonian)
5.98605880 Karol_friend(Serb-Timok_Vlach)
6.20664966 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
6.24459767 Light(Romanian)
6.26901109 Andre(Romanian)

Distance to: Croat

2.52509406 Stearsolina_Father(Croat)
3.41767465 Tschaikisten(Serb)
3.85561928 Alenka(Slovenian-Croat-Serb)
4.05688304 Ford(Serb)
4.28790158 Stearsolina_Mother(Croat_½_German-Serb-Greek)
4.50841436 Voidspawn_dad(Romanian)
4.55938592 Vlatko_vukovic(Bosniak)
4.58758106 Stearsolina(Croat)
4.59653130 Viers(Hungarian)
4.67421651 Alenka_Mom(Slovenian_¼_Friulian-Jewish)
4.82468652 un4given(Croat)
4.83493537 galychanyn(Ukrainian_Boyko_Highlander)
5.01415995 Incelslayer(Romanian)
5.02263875 Stears(Hungarian)
5.07570685 Devil's_advocate(Serb)
5.10346941 Lehel(Hungarian)
5.22680591 Westcoast(Croat)
5.32987805 Max_soldo(Croat)
5.36687060 ph2ter_father(Croat)
5.40835465 GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
5.45985348 Nurzat(Romanian-Rusyn)
5.68087141 Benyzero(Hungarian)
5.69825412 Kökény_Mom(Székely)
5.79352224 HungryLion(Serb)
5.79718897 Hrvoje(Croat-Slovene)

Distance to: Czech

1.49147578 Cordedwhelp_mom(white_American)
3.30109073 Ph2ter(Croat)
3.45040577 cakmir7y(Czech)
3.91534162 RandomGuy20(Australian)
3.96165370 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)
4.06797247 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
4.16364023 Karol_father(Slovak)
4.52707411 Karol_friend(Czech)
4.65525510 Natalie(Czech)
4.80520551 cakmir7y_wife(Czech)
4.84460525 ph2ter_father(Croat)
4.97592203 Peterski_Father(Polish)
5.03326932 ph2ter_son(Croat)
5.10095089 Calxpal_grandma(Southwest_Ukrainian)
5.32910874 Noricum(Austrian)
5.33697480 StevenJac(Goral_Polish)
5.47675086 Blanka_husband(Hungarian)
5.59329062 Ph2ter_wife(Croat)
5.59571264 Karol(Slovak_¼_white_American)
5.64244628 Madonna_father(Rusyn)
5.65655372 Adamg(Czech-German)
5.79472174 nuti(Slovak)
6.10238478 ksha(East_Central_Euro_mix)
6.17296525 Peterski(Polish)
6.19707996 greasycaveman(Russian-white_American)

Distance to: Danish

2.18949766 Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
3.30954680 evon(Norwegian)
3.80319602 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
4.10739577 CreodaDad(Irish)
4.11460812 sgc2009_gmother(Swedish_Scanian)
4.22897151 celticdragongod(Irish)
4.53420335 Mars(Dutch)
4.61608059 Farke1(British_Islander-Norwegian)
4.67891013 Grace(Irish)
5.18748494 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
5.33048778 Catkin(English)
5.58858658 Caismeachd(Scot)
5.64432458 Creoda(English-Irish)
5.78391736 Christofer(German_American)
5.81791200 Thorns(white_American)
5.84168640 Profileid(white_American)
5.87424038 Solothurn(English)
5.91127736 CreodaMum(English)
6.04762763 Firemonkey(British)
6.06470115 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
6.07331046 Jackson_grandpa(English)
6.17385617 aynora(German)
6.19343200 Token(German)
6.26265120 Albannach(Scottish-Irish)
6.40458430 Alessio_mother(Dutch)

[Jana]

Distance to: Dutch

2.31572883 celticdragongod(Irish)
2.48268000 Solothurn(English)
2.58203408 Caismeachd(Scot)
2.60593553 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
2.94297469 Jackson_father(English)
2.95856384 Catkin(English)
3.03343040 Thorns(white_American)
3.26992355 CreodaMum(English)
3.32981981 aynora(German)
3.40266072 Gooding(Anglo_American)
3.41139268 firemonkey_dad(English)
3.60934897 TieRed_father(Northern_French)
3.82749265 nittionia(white_American)
3.83142271 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
3.84576390 Dandelion(Flemish)
3.87663514 Jackson_grandpa(English)
3.90429251 Senpai(white_American)
3.97012594 Christofer(German_American)
4.05170335 Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
4.08614733 TribalSky(English)
4.14610661 sgc2009_gmother(Swedish_Scanian)
4.16476890 Davystayn(British)
4.32389870 Profileid(white_American)
4.40190868 Firemonkey(British)
4.45672526 Mars(Dutch)

Distance to: English

2.27140925 firemonkey_dad(English)
2.46827875 Thorns(white_American)
2.70883739 Catkin(English)
2.82132947 celticdragongod(Irish)
2.85014035 CreodaMum(English)
2.92530340 Gooding(Anglo_American)
2.99150464 Celestia(white_American)
3.01539384 Solothurn(English)
3.01836048 Dreger22310_mother(Breton)
3.13807266 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
3.20059369 Davystayn(British)
3.25013846 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
3.31089112 Senpai(white_American)
3.46091028 TieRed_father(Northern_French)
3.68350377 Skeleton_father(white_American)
3.72664729 TribalSky(English)
3.73376486 nittionia(white_American)
3.75267904 Caismeachd(Scot)
3.78294859 Allenson(New_Englander)
3.91516283 wisteria(white_American)
3.95480720 Firemonkey(British)
3.96331932 De_Burgh_II(white_American)
4.00397303 Jackson_father(English)
4.04902457 aynora(German)
4.08232777 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)

Distance to: Mordovian

3.13335284 Leto_Mom(Russian)
3.48079014 Norka(Russian-CrimeanTatar)
3.85184371 LecomtsevAlexander(Russian)
4.34186596 Blondbeast(Russian)
4.89587582 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
4.94249937 Yamnaya(Russian_¼_Bashkir)
4.98284056 valera27(Russian)
6.07626530 Silentkiller(Russian)
6.67040479 A-ha(Ukrainian)
6.70460290 Krivich(Russian)
6.86716099 Humanophage(Russian)
6.88543390 rurov0(Russian)
7.02520462 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
7.57990105 Not_a_Cop(Russian)
7.62804038 Michal(Polish)
7.72313408 I.vet(Russian)
7.75296072 Pipa(Russian)
7.87717589 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(Russian-Polish)
7.98814121 Leto_Dad(Belorussian)
8.11919947 Mary(Russian)
8.23167662 SSlava(Russian)
8.58508008 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
8.80329484 Lukasz(Polish)
8.91590713 Lemgrant(Ukrainian)
9.07748313 Dimadoe(Russian)

Distance to: Estonian

4.27502047 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother1(Russian)
5.24978095 Vari(Estonian)
6.31274900 Jusarius(Finn)
6.64627715 Lemminkainen(Finn)
6.96127862 Sippola(Finn)
6.97570068 Mary(Russian)
7.11242575 Vyacheslav(Russian)
7.80385802 Aila(Finn)
8.11964285 Leto_Dad(Belorussian)
8.61107427 I.vet(Russian)
8.85517928 Pipa(Russian)
8.93496503 Lemgrant_mother(Ukrainian)
8.99852766 Polak(Polish-Ukrainian)
9.03816353 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
9.30983888 Not_a_Cop(Russian)
9.44154119 Peterski_Cousin(Polish)
10.11641735 valera27(Russian)
10.11663976 Silentkiller(Russian)
10.22492543 Roy(Polish)
10.22541931 Lukasz(Polish)
10.22568335 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
10.28011187 Humanophage(Russian)
10.29291504 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
10.38017823 Krivich(Russian)
10.43882177 rurov0(Russian)

Distance to: Finnish

3.14440773 Jusarius(Finn)
5.08927303 Lemminkainen(Finn)
5.91781210 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother1(Russian)
6.20347483 Aila(Finn)
6.54586129 Sippola(Finn)
7.57291886 Mary(Russian)
7.89856316 Vyacheslav(Russian)
9.03390835 Vari(Estonian)
9.41778636 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
9.92099793 Not_a_Cop(Russian)
9.94922610 Lemgrant_mother(Ukrainian)
10.54520744 Polak(Polish-Ukrainian)
10.65366134 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
10.68443728 Peterski_Cousin(Polish)
10.83242355 Mazik_grandpa(Swedish)
10.95668289 I.vet(Russian)
11.22938556 Silentkiller(Russian)
11.30133620 LecomtsevAlexander(Russian)
11.43864065 Pipa(Russian)
11.46345061 Leto_Dad(Belorussian)
11.62197918 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
11.74326190 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(Russian-Polish)
11.87291455 Peterski_Grandpa(Polish)
11.88005892 valera27(Russian)
12.07082847 Peterski_Mother(Polish)

[Jana]

Distance to: French

4.14108681 Mopi(Spanish-British-Irish)
4.70440219 Petalpusher(French)
5.48886145 Tchek(Belgian)
5.63863459 Nyx(French_Canadian)
5.83710545 Rudel(French)
6.17007293 Spaniard2.0(Spanish)
6.20031451 Petalpusher_mother(French_Provence)
6.50830239 Saint_Glinglin(French)
6.52469923 J.S.(French)
7.40877858 Pendragon(Northwest_French)
7.44524009 dududud(French_¼_Sardinian)
7.58582889 Laly(Portuguese-Belgian)
8.21429851 Spaniard2.0_Dad(Spanish)
8.29929515 Gabbobler(Portuguese)
8.38217752 Armatus(South-West_German)
8.49263799 TheOldNorth(European-Jewish-American)
8.54606927 Gallop_Father(Spanish)
8.62209371 Prettydambrittish(Anglo-American)
8.76429119 Pedro_Mom(Portuguese)
8.79338956 Laly_husband(Walloon)
8.83845009 Spaniard2.0_Mom(Spanish)
9.13535987 Damiao(Portuguese)
9.47717257 Cernunnos(Portuguese)
9.51083593 Luso_MOM(Portuguese)
9.53034102 Luso_DAD(Portuguese)

Distance to: Basque

7.67533061 QR_prima(Spanish)
10.37298414 Cristina_PSR(Spanish)
11.18250419 Erronkari(Argentine-Uruguayan)
11.20122761 Erronkari(Argentine_Uruguayan)
12.43723844 gixajo_mom(Spanish)
12.55184449 Spaniard2.0_friend(Spanish)
12.58404148 QR(Spanish)
12.82099840 Manzanos(Spanish)
12.82247246 gixajo_father_cousin(Spanish)
15.48403048 polaciones(Spanish)
15.58537776 gixajo(Spanish)
16.10858777 Gallop(Spanish)
16.67322404 gixajo_father_uncle(Spanish)
16.80394597 Gold_fenix(Spaniard)
17.11116010 J.S.(French)
17.35715703 Defcon2(Spain)
17.51769391 Fraisod(Spanish)
18.22622561 Cernunnos(Portuguese)
18.55656218 Vasconcelos(Portuguese)
18.56653172 Pedro_Mom(Portuguese)
18.59334827 Gallop_Father(Spanish)
19.18421487 Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas_GF(Portuguese)
19.21282905 gixajo_dad(Spanish)
20.11428100 Luso_DAD(Portuguese)
20.14232856 Mrs_Vasconcelos(Portuguese)

Distance to: German

3.22125752 Inf99Mom(white_American)
3.38397695 MotherKyp(South_German)
3.40574515 Calpal_sister(British-French-Ukrainian)
3.67370385 Stahlbestie91(German)
3.68182020 WhatsGoingOnBigGuy(white_American)
3.74963998 jtoml3(New_Zealander)
3.83234915 CordedWhelp_father(white_American)
4.10528927 yowasgeht_father(Volga_German)
4.13818801 Grundig(German_American)
4.14078495 Jackson_mother(English)
4.36296917 InfamousAngel99(white_American)
4.55206547 Jackson(English)
4.58627300 yowasgeht(Volga_German)
4.59590035 Calpal(British-French-Ukrainian)
4.62160145 Inf99MGma(white_American)
4.66842586 Mr.G_mother(German_American)
4.83308390 Richmondbread(white_American)
4.87016427 Mr.G(Hungarian-German)
5.03109332 yowasgeht_mom(Volga_German)
5.34818661 Turul_Karom(Hungarian)
5.49604403 Dandelion(Flemish)
5.68505937 Reith(German-Norse_American)
5.74699052 Christofer(German_American)
5.75769919 Uull(Prussian_American)
5.92117387 Caismeachd(Scot)

Distance to: Greek

2.89394195 Xripkan(Greek)
3.10771620 DRUM(Albanian)
3.45262219 Kleenex(Greek)
3.72162599 Dorian(Greek)
3.84278545 Coolguy(Greek)
3.97896972 Catgeorge(Greek)
3.98840820 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
4.06705053 Journeyman26(Italian-Greek)
4.57747747 Thrax(Greek)
4.63704647 hithaeglir(Greek)
4.74469177 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
4.81379268 Freeroostah(Greek)
4.87158085 peloponnesian(Greek)
5.06699122 Ylla(Albanian)
5.09822518 Pan(Greek)
5.22414586 Geni(Albanian)
5.91027072 HellLander87(Greek)
6.24506205 Vasil(Macedonian)
6.60137107 paradox(Greek_Macedonian-Cretan)
6.63392041 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
6.75629336 Hulu(Albanian)
6.80252159 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
6.84979562 Nilotik(Albanian)
7.10360472 Markos(Greek)
7.12518070 *****(Macedonian)

Distance to: Hungarian

2.90141345 Viers(Hungarian)
3.08574140 ph2ter_father(Croat)
3.81533747 Stearsolina_Father(Croat)
4.37522571 Stearsolina_Mother(Croat_½_German-Serb-Greek)
4.50039998 Blanka_husband(Hungarian)
4.50544115 Benyzero(Hungarian)
4.77191785 Bessarion(Croat)
4.81496625 Hrvoje(Croat-Slovene)
5.03058645 ph2ter_son(Croat)
5.04164656 Stears(Hungarian)
5.08032479 imre_mother(Hungarian)
5.08143680 Alenka_Mom(Slovenian_¼_Friulian-Jewish)
5.38843205 Dunai(Hungarian)
5.56853661 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
5.58969588 Ph2ter_wife(Croat)
5.60226740 Tschaikisten(Serb)
5.62725510 Stearsolina(Croat)
5.73794388 Noricum(Austrian)
5.73826629 Lehel(Hungarian)
5.75132159 Calxpal_grandma(Southwest_Ukrainian)
5.78159148 GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
5.91673897 Ph2ter(Croat)
5.97033500 Alenka(Slovenian-Croat-Serb)
5.99090143 Mr.G_father(Hungarian)
6.04631293 wilhelmhalys(Polish-Spanish)

[Jana]

Distance to: Icelandic

2.37583669 Grace(Irish)
2.56179624 Farke1(British_Islander-Norwegian)
3.12392381 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
3.30882154 Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
3.32740139 celticdragongod(Irish)
3.39001475 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
3.64137337 Mars(Dutch)
3.68739746 Catkin(English)
3.79490448 CreodaDad(Irish)
4.25440948 Albannach(Scottish-Irish)
4.27926396 Alessio_mother(Dutch)
4.33764913 Creoda(English-Irish)
4.35075855 Profileid(white_American)
4.46739298 Firemonkey(British)
4.58194282 Nehellenia(Australian)
4.59684675 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
4.62531080 Thorns(white_American)
4.74665145 evon(Norwegian)
4.80980249 CreodaMum(English)
4.92578928 Grace_mother(Irish)
5.12862555 firemonkey_dad(English)
5.22785807 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)
5.38288956 aynora(German)
5.41403731 sgc2009_gmother(Swedish_Scanian)
5.49014572 Caismeachd(Scot)

Distance to: Irish

2.47349955 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
2.68322567 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)
2.91372614 Dreger22310_mother(Breton)
3.08736133 Grace_mother(Irish)
3.21219551 Firemonkey(British)
3.29072940 IceQueen(British)
3.45085497 Creoda(English-Irish)
3.58867664 firemonkey_dad(English)
3.63410237 Catkin(English)
3.63741667 Imperator_Biff(Irish)
3.65595405 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
3.93139924 Alessio_mother(Dutch)
4.09172335 Jackson_grandma(English)
4.11541006 Grace(Irish)
4.15569489 Nehellenia(Australian)
4.23517414 sonofthedutch(Dutch-English_Canadian)
4.24038913 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
4.24438453 celticdragongod(Irish)
4.36565001 Thorns(white_American)
4.46283542 ArmatusGirlfriend(North_German)
4.54490924 CreodaMum(English)
4.62149327 Albannach(Scottish-Irish)
4.67618434 Graham(Scottish)
4.80707811 Farke1(British_Islander-Norwegian)
4.98428530 Profileid(white_American)

Distance to: Italian

4.70539053 Avgvstvs(Italian)
4.89430281 GiCa(Italian)
5.15133963 Geni(Albanian)
5.47194664 Corvo(Italian)
5.49856345 Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
5.54215662 Andrea(Italian)
6.47993827 Rafael_Passoni(white_Brazilian)
6.57082948 hithaeglir(Greek)
6.83370324 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
6.89913763 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
7.39136659 IceT(Albanian)
7.74783195 rafael_mom(Italian-French-Syrian)
7.75126441 Journeyman26(Italian-Greek)
7.83757616 Kleenex(Greek)
8.03544025 DRUM(Albanian)
8.23950241 Catgeorge(Greek)
8.35629703 gondor(Italian)
8.45798439 IberoHellenic(Spaniard-Greek)
8.68294305 Dukagjini(Albanian)
8.88967378 donriccardo(Sicilian)
9.02145221 Ylla(Albanian)
9.10369156 Blemoir(Brazilian)
9.18174275 giulioimpa(Italian)
9.27218421 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
9.28937027 Übermensch(South_Italian)

Distance to: Latvian

6.47013910 Vari(Estonian)
9.23269192 Humanophage(Russian)
9.40781058 Leto_Dad(Belorussian)
9.54041404 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother1(Russian)
10.24553073 I.vet(Russian)
10.99628574 Lukasz(Polish)
11.12812203 Sippola(Finn)
11.23473631 rurov0(Russian)
11.41892289 LecomtsevAlexander(Russian)
11.52874234 Blondbeast(Russian)
11.80709109 valera27(Russian)
12.07277516 Pipa(Russian)
12.26503159 SSlava(Russian)
12.31975243 Mary(Russian)
12.57465705 Krivich(Russian)
12.96037037 Leto_Mom(Russian)
13.00675978 Roy(Polish)
13.06034073 Aila(Finn)
13.88150928 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
14.08275896 Jusarius(Finn)
14.21558652 Silentkiller(Russian)
14.25043508 Vyacheslav(Russian)
14.26522345 Visar(Polish)
14.29866427 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
14.30320244 Not_a_Cop(Russian)

Distance to: Lithuanian

4.73913494 Vari(Estonian)
5.54149799 Leto_Dad(Belorussian)
5.96972361 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother1(Russian)
6.68077091 Humanophage(Russian)
6.97623107 I.vet(Russian)
7.39764827 Lukasz(Polish)
7.88825710 rurov0(Russian)
8.06917592 Pipa(Russian)
8.28300066 valera27(Russian)
8.62125861 SSlava(Russian)
8.67120522 Mary(Russian)
8.82931481 Blondbeast(Russian)
8.93418715 Krivich(Russian)
8.97872485 Roy(Polish)
9.35634010 LecomtsevAlexander(Russian)
9.58697032 Vyacheslav(Russian)
9.84362230 Not_a_Cop(Russian)
9.99853989 Sippola(Finn)
10.02294867 Polak(Polish-Ukrainian)
10.05413845 Visar(Polish)
10.07727642 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(Russian-Polish)
10.14809342 Silentkiller(Russian)
10.18735000 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
10.26014620 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
10.31427651 A-ha(Ukrainian)

[Jana]

Distance to: Macedonian

2.50275848 Vasil(Macedonian)
3.20823939 *****(Macedonian)
3.37961536 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)
3.42397430 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
3.54737931 Vale(Macedonian)
3.60165240 ovidiu(Romanian)
3.69668771 Nilotik(Albanian)
4.23611851 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
4.32119197 Sofia(Bulgarian)
4.73509240 bained(Bulgarian)
4.86120355 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
4.88919216 KrashNick(Albanian_¼_Croat)
4.92364702 Dukagjini(Albanian)
4.95103020 Vojnik(Macedonian)
4.98221838 IceT(Albanian)
5.19230199 JohnnyP(Macedonian-Serb-Croat)
5.52832705 Freeroostah(Greek)
5.60744148 Ogi(Montenegrin)
5.68249065 Bojan(Macedonian)
5.84680254 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
6.06948103 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
6.31350933 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
6.41347020 Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
6.58902117 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
6.60266613 paradox_dad(Greek_Macedonian)

Distance to: Mari

12.19508918 Elnar(VolgaTatar-Mordvin)
22.11287634 Yamnaya(Russian_¼_Bashkir)
22.76559905 Norka(Russian-CrimeanTatar)
23.72320594 Leto_Mom(Russian)
24.75543779 LecomtsevAlexander(Russian)
25.89286774 Aila(Finn)
26.46758773 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
27.01328192 Blondbeast(Russian)
27.29184127 Mary(Russian)
28.06897041 Dimadoe(Russian)
28.12247500 Silentkiller(Russian)
28.17461978 Jusarius(Finn)
28.33801157 valera27(Russian)
28.61755056 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
28.68449233 Arhat(Russian_¼_Afghan)
29.05046471 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
29.14369228 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother1(Russian)
29.22768379 Not_a_Cop(Russian)
29.33368882 A-ha(Ukrainian)
29.38909832 Krivich(Russian)
29.40057652 Humanophage(Russian)
29.43430312 Pipa(Russian)
29.48933706 Sippola(Finn)
29.51310895 Vyacheslav(Russian)
29.68376998 Michal(Polish)

Distance to: Moldovan

2.47533836 lilalila1988(Serb)
2.90329124 Aye's_father(Serb)
3.16913237 Chris(Hungarian)
3.23970678 Ion_Basescul(Moldovan)
3.39094382 wd1089(Romanian)
3.47434886 un4given(Croat)
3.50502496 Voidspawn(Romanian)
3.53817750 Voidspawn_dad(Romanian)
3.62107719 HungryLion(Serb)
3.86720830 Bosniensis(Bosniak)
3.94844273 Zmey(Moldovan)
4.15618816 Ljubic(Croat)
4.25081169 Ion_Basescul_dad(Moldovan)
4.28175198 Ford(Serb)
4.40990930 Nurzat(Romanian-Rusyn)
4.48277816 Seya(Romanian)
4.56137041 Ion_Basescul_brother(Moldovan)
4.72155695 Morlak(Serb)
4.75910706 CommonSense_mother(Serb_3/8_Croat-Romanian)
4.76254134 Tschaikisten(Serb)
4.89830583 Commonsense(Serb)
4.94425930 Dušan(Serb)
5.08166311 Devil's_advocate(Serb)
5.38522980 Vlatko_vukovic(Bosniak)
5.40024999 TieRed_grandma(Serb)

Distance to: Montenegrin

2.50964141 Light(Romanian)
2.83515432 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
2.90623468 Fieraru(Romanian)
3.20352930 Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
3.23430054 Ogi(Montenegrin)
3.27188019 FellowGF(Romanian)
3.28840387 TieRed_grandma(Serb)
3.77019893 Karol_friend(Serb-Timok_Vlach)
3.80913376 paradox_dad(Greek_Macedonian)
3.82094229 Cybele_dad(Romanian)
3.93226398 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
4.36625698 Vojnik(Macedonian)
4.45811619 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
4.48934294 Morlak(Serb)
4.49706571 Andre(Romanian)
4.77848302 Gobius(Romanian)
4.78623025 CătălinCristian(Romanian)
5.15519156 Bosniensis(Bosniak)
5.15866262 Seya(Romanian)
5.24305255 ovidiu(Romanian)
5.32046051 Cybele(Romanian)
5.38298244 JohnnyP(Macedonian-Serb-Croat)
5.51805219 Carpatz(Romanian)
5.53671383 Emziepiex3(Serb)
5.57940857 Bojan(Macedonian)

Distance to: Norwegian

2.94972880 Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
3.82843310 evon(Norwegian)
3.92790020 Farke1(British_Islander-Norwegian)
4.04991358 Grace(Irish)
4.13336425 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
4.15204769 CreodaDad(Irish)
4.41418169 Mars(Dutch)
4.48037945 celticdragongod(Irish)
4.89887742 sgc2009_gmother(Swedish_Scanian)
4.98816600 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
5.33809891 Catkin(English)
5.50109080 Albannach(Scottish-Irish)
5.53094929 Creoda(English-Irish)
5.73521578 Alessio_mother(Dutch)
5.75866304 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
5.87287834 Profileid(white_American)
5.94556137 Thorns(white_American)
5.97832753 Firemonkey(British)
6.12915165 Caismeachd(Scot)
6.17797702 CreodaMum(English)
6.29061205 Nehellenia(Australian)
6.33347456 Christofer(German_American)
6.51187377 Solothurn(English)
6.52663006 aynora(German)
6.64143810 Jackson_grandpa(English)

[Jana]

Distance to: Polish

3.12469198 Peterski_Cousin(Polish)
3.79412704 Lemgrant_mother(Ukrainian)
3.88618064 All(Silesian)
3.93652131 Peterski_Grandpa(Polish)
4.19017899 Lemgrant(Ukrainian)
4.27618989 Peterski_Grandma(Polish)
4.72748347 Beo242(Russian-German)
4.73932485 Michal(Polish)
4.92575882 Roy(Polish)
4.96245907 Vyacheslav(Russian)
5.07308585 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
5.19373661 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
5.30458292 Peterski_Mother(Polish)
5.50364425 Visar(Polish)
5.51473481 Madonna_husband(Polish)
5.52071553 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(Russian-Polish)
5.74020906 Peterski(Polish)
5.94152337 SSlava(Russian)
5.94582206 Silentkiller(Russian)
5.95423379 Polak(Polish-Ukrainian)
6.18160982 A-ha(Ukrainian)
6.19117113 Madonna(Polish-Rusyn)
6.61976586 Krivich(Russian)
6.63151566 Lukasz(Polish)
6.70055968 Not_a_Cop(Russian)

Distance to: Pomak

2.65629441 CătălinCristian(Romanian)
3.46818396 Sofia(Bulgarian)
3.64799945 Chrisbab_dad(Romanian)
4.14627544 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)
4.27414319 ovidiu(Romanian)
4.45153906 Ogi(Montenegrin)
4.69820178 Vale(Macedonian)
5.37569530 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
5.51522438 Vojnik(Macedonian)
5.60047319 FellowGF(Romanian)
5.83355809 *****(Macedonian)
6.09077992 Deniz_grandpa(Balkan_Turk)
6.11219273 Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
6.26401628 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
6.29387798 TheBalkanite(Bulgarian)
6.36304958 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
6.38690849 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
6.59052350 Gobius(Romanian)
6.71418647 Seya(Romanian)
6.81992669 JohnnyP(Macedonian-Serb-Croat)
7.05932716 Deniz_mother(Balkan_Turk)
7.07610769 Pagane_Brother(Bulgarian)
7.11608038 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
7.13197027 paradox_dad(Greek_Macedonian)
7.26497763 Andre(Romanian)

Distance to: Portuguese

2.28433798 Luso_MOM(Portuguese)
2.52881395 Gabbobler(Portuguese)
2.63556446 Damiao(Portuguese)
2.72851608 Luso_DAD(Portuguese)
2.73356910 Atlantic_islander(Azorean_Portuguese)
2.98621834 Luso_BRO(Portuguese)
3.13773804 Spaniard2.0_Mom(Spanish)
3.18395980 Suarsenaguer(Spanish)
3.20576044 Mrs_Vasconcelos(Portuguese)
3.20937689 Luso(Portuguese)
3.21673748 Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas(Portuguese)
3.33249156 Ibericus(Spaniard)
3.67658809 Hyoga7(Portuguese)
3.78301467 FilhoV(Portuguese)
3.98919791 Pedro(Portuguese)
4.03287738 Gaita(Galician)
4.16076916 Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas_GF(Portuguese)
4.38524800 Luso_SIS(Portuguese)
4.43253878 Helen(Spaniard)
4.76101880 Vasconcelos(Portuguese)
4.90130595 Pedro_Mom(Portuguese)
4.91851604 Cernunnos(Portuguese)
5.00000000 Spaniard2.0(Spanish)
5.13896877 AlfonsoVIII(Spanish)
5.45308170 Fraisod(Spanish)

Distance to: Romanian

2.73952551 FellowGF(Romanian)
3.10551123 Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
3.30216596 Ogi(Montenegrin)
3.38280948 Karol_friend(Serb-Timok_Vlach)
3.44711474 TieRed_grandma(Serb)
3.46329323 CătălinCristian(Romanian)
3.62542411 Light(Romanian)
3.65031505 Fieraru(Romanian)
3.87064594 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
3.92832025 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
3.92991094 Morlak(Serb)
4.06317610 Seya(Romanian)
4.07308237 Andre(Romanian)
4.57917023 Cybele_dad(Romanian)
4.60353125 Gobius(Romanian)
4.61992424 paradox_dad(Greek_Macedonian)
4.69047972 Bosniensis(Bosniak)
4.70873656 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
4.97742906 Vojnik(Macedonian)
5.16358403 ovidiu(Romanian)
5.28847804 wd1089(Romanian)
5.33420097 Commonsense(Serb)
5.35584727 Carpatz(Romanian)
5.44969724 YupYup(Serb)
5.45972527 Milenko(Serb)

Distance to: Russian

3.22380210 Silentkiller(Russian)
3.31190278 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
3.66652424 valera27(Russian)
3.92435982 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
4.14096607 Krivich(Russian)
4.44442347 rurov0(Russian)
4.46014574 Blondbeast(Russian)
4.58241203 Pipa(Russian)
4.69304805 Michal(Polish)
4.71413831 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
4.75708945 Mary(Russian)
4.82102686 I.vet(Russian)
4.99538787 Leto_Dad(Belorussian)
5.11767525 LecomtsevAlexander(Russian)
5.15336783 A-ha(Ukrainian)
5.15560860 Vyacheslav(Russian)
5.21988506 SSlava(Russian)
5.35684609 Humanophage(Russian)
5.39065859 Leto_Mom(Russian)
5.43307464 Lemgrant(Ukrainian)
5.80515288 Not_a_Cop(Russian)
5.88028911 Norka(Russian-CrimeanTatar)
5.89411571 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(Russian-Polish)
6.31009509 Lukasz(Polish)
6.31168757 Beo242(Russian-German)

[Komintasavalta]

Can you make one chart where North Atlantic and Baltic are added togheder? I don't find it justified to lump west Med with Red sea for example, they are much further apart than North Atlantic and Baltic genetically.

I'd be most interested to see breakdown like this:

NA + Baltic + West Med (core European)
West Asian + East Med + Red Sea (exotic Caucasoid)
The rest

Adding North_Atlantic and Baltic together is deceptive, because it makes Western Europeans seem less brown than they actually are. Now using the alternative breakdown, you're 20% brown, but some British users are less than 10% brown (and even Russian users are more brown than Celestia):

https://i.ibb.co/qp5dXBc/circlize-k13-westmed.jpg

The image below shows two ADMIXTURE runs at K=3 and K=4. Croatians have more of the blue component than the English in both runs. (I know it's partially because northeastern Europeans were overrepresented in these runs compared to northwestern Europeans, so the northern European component became more eastern-like. But the reality is somewhere between these runs and the graph above.)

https://i.ibb.co/hy7sZPx/circlize-admixture-croatia.jpg

I just noticed that in the FST matrix I used, a few fields had erroneously not been multiplied by 1000: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCZldTIfd-EPjDlpQiFNcHwOtZus9Qdll3pB48zdQG0/edit#gid=1. Anyway, in the corrected FST matrix, West_Med, East_Med, and West_Asian are about equally far from North_Atlantic. Baltic is about equally far from East_Med and West_Med, but it's a bit closer to West_Asian. So I don't know if West_Med is that much less exotic than West_Asian or East_Med.

https://i.ibb.co/PcL3gBs/k13fst.png

I didn't want to omit Red_Sea either, because most Southern European users have at least 3% of Red_Sea, and Southern Italian users have about 6% of it.


It would only look good in 3D. In 2D it's often just a lot of flatness bias and practically projecting a K13 into a K3/K4 which defeats a bit the purpose, visually lumping very different things together.

This one actually looks good

https://i.ibb.co/GCg00hS/1.jpg

It just shows everything going up is oriented towards Eastern Eurasia and everything going right towards MENA and Africa but any pca with decently plugged datas can achieve that as well. The problem in 2D is even with the fst, you can try to reinvent the wheel, but you might end up making it square. Good effort nonetheless.

I think it's easier to just look at two 2D plots side by side where one plot shows PC1 and PC2 and the other plot shows PC3 and PC4. Then you don't have to rotate a 3D plot back and forth manually, and you can see one more dimension than in a 3D plot.

[Jana]

Distance to: Serb

1.63229899 HungryLion(Serb)
2.17915121 Bosniensis(Bosniak)
2.50864505 Aye's_father(Serb)
2.90084470 TieRed_grandma(Serb)
3.03270506 Morlak(Serb)
3.09331537 Chris(Hungarian)
3.29865124 Ljubic(Croat)
3.73729849 Commonsense(Serb)
3.84610192 wd1089(Romanian)
4.03519516 Ford(Serb)
4.18328818 Karol_friend(Serb-Timok_Vlach)
4.26400047 Fieraru(Romanian)
4.34111737 lilalila1988(Serb)
4.38997722 YupYup(Serb)
4.40806080 Light(Romanian)
4.42188874 Seya(Romanian)
4.50780434 Ikol(Serb)
4.68433560 Carpatz(Romanian)
4.75713149 Ion_Basescul(Moldovan)
4.84781394 FellowGF(Romanian)
4.87685349 Andre(Romanian)
4.89627409 Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
4.90781010 Kökény_Mom(Székely)
4.92791031 Milenko(Serb)
4.96941646 un4given(Croat)

Distance to: Slovak

2.62880201 cakmir7y(Czech)
2.95384495 Cordedwhelp_mom(white_American)
2.99391049 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
3.09523828 Madonna_father(Rusyn)
3.39334643 Karol_father(Slovak)
3.50458271 cakmir7y_wife(Czech)
3.67695526 Calxpal_grandma(Southwest_Ukrainian)
4.01216899 ph2ter_father(Croat)
4.09339712 Ph2ter(Croat)
4.74159256 ph2ter_son(Croat)
4.84116721 nuti(Slovak)
4.90578230 GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
5.20370061 Manda(Croat)
5.25661488 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)
5.28837404 Viers(Hungarian)
5.29841486 StevenJac(Goral_Polish)
5.37841055 Karol_friend(Czech)
5.52518778 Peterski_Father(Polish)
5.54221977 Ph2ter_wife(Croat)
5.72637756 Kostej(Slovak)
5.82704900 Blanka_husband(Hungarian)
5.86432434 Natalie(Czech)
5.87217166 RandomGuy20(Australian)
5.94019360 Noricum(Austrian)
6.42766676 noricum_halfbro(Austrian-Slovene)

Distance to: Slovenian

2.36069905 ph2ter_father(Croat)
3.13657456 Viers(Hungarian)
3.21392284 Blanka_husband(Hungarian)
4.23135912 cakmir7y(Czech)
4.44460347 Noricum(Austrian)
4.51861705 Benyzero(Hungarian)
4.60387880 ph2ter_son(Croat)
4.70409396 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
4.73245180 Ph2ter(Croat)
4.90283591 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)
4.91535350 Alenka_Mom(Slovenian_¼_Friulian-Jewish)
5.26644092 Ph2ter_wife(Croat)
5.31903187 GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
5.36720598 Madonna_father(Rusyn)
5.38494197 Cordedwhelp_mom(white_American)
5.39222589 Stearsolina_Father(Croat)
5.41276270 Calxpal_grandma(Southwest_Ukrainian)
5.47439494 Blanka(Hungarian)
5.68233227 Stearsolina(Croat)
5.80446380 Hrvoje(Croat-Slovene)
5.90808768 cakmir7y_wife(Czech)
5.97254552 Stearsolina_Mother(Croat_½_German-Serb-Greek)
6.10896063 Karol_father(Slovak)
6.13759725 Dunai(Hungarian)
6.25744357 Alenka(Slovenian-Croat-Serb)

Distance to: Sorb

3.13574553 Peterski_Father(Polish)
3.28237719 Peterski(Polish)
3.87898183 Karol_friend(Czech)
3.91606946 Peterski_Grandma(Polish)
4.00462233 StevenJac(Goral_Polish)
4.21936014 Peterski_Mother(Polish)
4.26581762 Karol_father(Slovak)
4.46320513 Peterski_Grandpa(Polish)
4.55653377 All(Silesian)
4.65884106 Cordedwhelp_mom(white_American)
4.80652681 Peterski_Cousin(Polish)
4.92122952 cakmir7y_wife(Czech)
5.09315227 Lemgrant_mother(Ukrainian)
5.85681654 Karol(Slovak_¼_white_American)
6.10973813 nuti(Slovak)
6.15758069 cakmir7y(Czech)
6.57000000 Natalie(Czech)
6.74965925 Beo242(Russian-German)
6.84091368 Madonna_father(Rusyn)
7.17918519 Polak(Polish-Ukrainian)
7.19881240 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
7.24491546 Calxpal_grandma(Southwest_Ukrainian)
7.28412658 noricum_halfbro(Austrian-Slovene)
7.37510000 Ph2ter(Croat)
7.37761479 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)

Distance to: Spanish

2.52875463 Fraisod(Spanish)
2.73634793 Mrs_Vasconcelos(Portuguese)
2.80950174 Luso_DAD(Portuguese)
3.11351891 Vasconcelos(Portuguese)
3.18143050 Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas_GF(Portuguese)
3.28316920 Gabbobler(Portuguese)
3.29768100 Atlantic_islander(Azorean_Portuguese)
3.44985507 Cernunnos(Portuguese)
4.31991898 Pedro_Mom(Portuguese)
4.34344333 Helen(Spaniard)
4.36524913 Ibericus(Spaniard)
4.41511042 Gold_fenix(Spaniard)
4.53425848 Damiao(Portuguese)
4.55727989 polaciones(Spanish)
4.61431468 Suarsenaguer(Spanish)
4.71496554 Luso_MOM(Portuguese)
4.83487332 Luso(Portuguese)
4.90530325 Gallop_Father(Spanish)
4.95092921 FilhoV(Portuguese)
5.04668208 gixajo_father_uncle(Spanish)
5.05713358 Luso_BRO(Portuguese)
5.24750417 Defcon2(Spain)
5.38725347 Luso_SIS(Portuguese)
5.41749019 Spaniard2.0_Dad(Spanish)
5.42334767 Brás_Garcia_de_Mascarenhas(Portuguese)

[Jana]

Distance to: Swedish

4.30720327 sgc2009_gmother(Swedish_Scanian)
4.43467022 Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
4.61819229 evon(Norwegian)
4.69819114 Snkves(Swedish)
5.31263588 Matxe92(Danish-Polish)
5.39755500 Token(German)
5.54253552 Reith(German-Norse_American)
6.47222527 Christofer(German_American)
6.61956947 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
6.77745527 Caismeachd(Scot)
6.80085289 Mars(Dutch)
6.82026392 celticdragongod(Irish)
6.90352084 WhatsGoingOnBigGuy(white_American)
6.98138238 Inf99Mom(white_American)
7.07838258 CreodaDad(Irish)
7.09558313 Dandelion(Flemish)
7.27567866 Solothurn(English)
7.32036201 Jackson_grandpa(English)
7.45944368 CordedWhelp_father(white_American)
7.60800237 Uull(Prussian_American)
7.70641940 aynora(German)
7.75583651 Farke1(British_Islander-Norwegian)
7.89937972 Grace(Irish)
7.94698056 Jackson_father(English)
8.02951431 Catkin(English)

Distance to: Swiss

4.08297686 TheOldNorth(European-Jewish-American)
5.06555032 noricum_sisinlaw(Austrian)
5.55436765 Daco-Celtic(Romanian-Irish)
5.85764458 RN97(Romanian-Norwegian)
5.94605752 Shuffle(South_German)
6.36015723 Pendragon(Northwest_French)
6.39509969 Armatus(South-West_German)
6.41725798 Petalpusher(French)
6.60302961 Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
6.95967672 Minardowicz(white_American)
7.22773132 Lawalye(Belgian)
7.41688614 Rudel(French)
7.57289245 Laly_husband(Walloon)
7.59838141 Mopi(Spanish-British-Irish)
7.78284010 Saint_Glinglin(French)
7.85064965 Someonenotyou_mother(Hungarian)
7.87377927 Grundig(German_American)
7.87526507 Laly(Portuguese-Belgian)
7.99869364 Aye(Serb-British)
8.00974407 Barkoo(French-Italian)
8.08936339 Slavic_Italian(white_American)
8.10077774 TieRed(French-Serb)
8.31258083 Tchek(Belgian)
8.32156836 Petalpusher_mother(French_Provence)
8.37588801 Mr.G(Hungarian-German)

Distance to: Volga_Tatar

15.26117951 Norka(Russian-CrimeanTatar)
16.48166557 Bakha(Bukharan-Russian)
16.63587088 Yamnaya(Russian_¼_Bashkir)
17.40723413 Arhat(Russian_¼_Afghan)
17.79747454 Elnar(VolgaTatar-Mordvin)
17.90163680 Leto_Mom(Russian)
18.27076353 Kuningaz(Finn-Turk)
18.30415527 Daos777(Ukrainian-Moldovan-Polish)
18.40856051 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
18.99001843 Dimadoe(Russian)
19.30275110 Abriekman(Pole-Rus-Bulgarian-Jew)
19.37180941 LecomtsevAlexander(Russian)
19.40004381 Calxpal_grandma(Southwest_Ukrainian)
19.46582390 Silentkiller(Russian)
19.65805179 Ion_Basescul_dad(Moldovan)
19.73198419 Art23(Ukrainian_¼_Moldovan)
19.77357833 Stears(Hungarian)
19.88356859 Ion_Basescul(Moldovan)
19.88981900 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
19.99860245 Ion_Basescul_brother(Moldovan)
20.00002750 Kostej(Slovak)
20.04246492 A-ha(Ukrainian)
20.05051122 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
20.23498456 Not_a_Cop(Russian)
20.26890969 Michal(Polish)

Distance to: Torbesh

2.53684844 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
2.99193917 DRUM(Albanian)
3.15570911 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
3.71066032 hithaeglir(Greek)
4.28297794 IceT(Albanian)
4.31591242 Nilotik(Albanian)
4.40159062 Vasil(Macedonian)
4.45782458 Ylla(Albanian)
4.55181283 Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
4.64762305 KrashNick(Albanian_¼_Croat)
4.78199749 HellLander87(Greek)
5.20423866 Dukagjini(Albanian)
5.52296116 Kelmendasi(Albanian)
5.52535067 Geni(Albanian)
5.83737955 Freeroostah(Greek)
5.86139915 Catgeorge(Greek)
5.87783123 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
5.95054619 Kleenex(Greek)
5.98429612 *****(Macedonian)
6.03041458 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
6.41940807 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
6.51770665 Journeyman26(Italian-Greek)
6.86142114 Vale(Macedonian)
6.86877718 Xripkan(Greek)
6.91700802 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)

Distance to: Ukrainian

2.04017156 Michal(Polish)
2.11040281 Beo242(Russian-German)
2.26638479 Lemgrant(Ukrainian)
3.43218589 Madonna(Polish-Rusyn)
3.49486767 Silentkiller(Russian)
3.68619045 Krivich(Russian)
3.91121465 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
4.12213537 A-ha(Ukrainian)
4.31511298 SSlava(Russian)
4.35666157 rurov0(Russian)
4.35942657 Madonna_husband(Polish)
4.65417017 Madonna_son(Polish)
4.82523575 Lukasz(Polish)
4.95374606 Roy(Polish)
4.95973790 valera27(Russian)
5.02472885 All(Silesian)
5.06093865 Peterski_Grandpa(Polish)
5.38591682 Cumansky(Polish-Ukrainian)
5.43270651 Stanislav(Russian-Polish)
5.62115646 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(Russian-Polish)
5.73706371 Daos777(Ukrainian-Moldovan-Polish)
5.79193405 I.vet(Russian)
5.81397454 Leto(Russian-Belorussian)
6.05219795 Lemgrant_mother(Ukrainian)
6.06448679 Visar(Polish)

[Jana]

Distance to: Rusyn

2.66172876 Max_soldo(Croat)
3.63715548 Madonna_father(Rusyn)
3.68800759 Kostej(Slovak)
3.73862274 Manda(Croat)
4.00356091 GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
4.64310241 Alenka(Slovenian-Croat-Serb)
4.91253499 Alenka_Dad(Croat-Serb)
4.91281996 Calxpal_grandma(Southwest_Ukrainian)
4.94420873 Vlatko_vukovic(Bosniak)
5.24753275 Daos777(Ukrainian-Moldovan-Polish)
5.24820922 Westcoast(Croat)
5.32049810 noricum_halfbro(Austrian-Slovene)
5.42553223 Incelslayer(Romanian)
5.45989927 cakmir7y_wife(Czech)
5.52196523 Stearsolina(Croat)
5.81474849 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
5.98939897 Art23(Ukrainian_¼_Moldovan)
6.02807598 Universe(Hungarian)
6.02904636 Karol_father(Slovak)
6.14142492 Abriekman(Pole-Rus-Bulgarian-Jew)
6.27643211 cakmir7y(Czech)
6.35574543 nuti(Slovak)
7.03134411 galychanyn(Ukrainian_Boyko_Highlander)
7.03298656 ph2ter_father(Croat)
7.08820852 Viers(Hungarian)

Distance to: Aromanian

2.29771626 *****(Macedonian)
2.55865199 Vasil(Macedonian)
3.17647603 Vale(Macedonian)
3.26534837 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(Macedonian)
3.29966665 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
4.18355112 Freeroostah(Greek)
4.26267522 ovidiu(Romanian)
4.34659637 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
4.57764131 Nilotik(Albanian)
4.82557769 Sofia(Bulgarian)
5.21047023 Pan(Greek)
5.36924576 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
5.48067514 Vojnik(Macedonian)
5.52627361 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
5.58966904 bained(Bulgarian)
5.63384416 Dukagjini(Albanian)
5.76713967 Catgeorge(Greek)
5.82080750 DRUM(Albanian)
5.82830164 KrashNick(Albanian_¼_Croat)
5.84101019 IceT(Albanian)
6.19810455 JohnnyP(Macedonian-Serb-Croat)
6.25475019 hithaeglir(Greek)
6.32654724 HellLander87(Greek)
6.39053988 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
6.64170159 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)

Distance to: Welsh

2.27228959 firemonkey_dad(English)
2.28462251 Dreger22310_mother(Breton)
2.50908350 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
2.57693617 Thorns(white_American)
2.68149212 Catkin(English)
2.91866408 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)
3.12904139 CreodaMum(English)
3.14466214 celticdragongod(Irish)
3.36706103 Celestia(white_American)
3.47400345 Jackson_grandma(English)
3.52892335 Firemonkey(British)
3.55702123 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
3.57488461 Senpai(white_American)
3.69687706 Grace_mother(Irish)
3.72530536 Imperator_Biff(Irish)
3.72997319 De_Burgh_II(white_American)
3.85940410 Solothurn(English)
3.86346994 Gooding(Anglo_American)
4.06884504 Nehellenia(Australian)
4.14045891 flooos(Irish)
4.15947112 sonofthedutch(Dutch-English_Canadian)
4.16721730 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
4.16893272 Skeleton_father(white_American)
4.27048007 Davystayn(British)
4.53236142 Creoda(English-Irish)

Distance to: Scottish

1.77631641 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
2.57406294 Catkin(English)
2.63106442 firemonkey_dad(English)
2.68244292 Dreger22310_mother(Breton)
2.94260089 Firemonkey(British)
3.05260544 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)
3.21578917 celticdragongod(Irish)
3.28152404 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
3.32398857 Grace_mother(Irish)
3.32783714 Creoda(English-Irish)
3.49204811 Thorns(white_American)
3.62430683 IceQueen(British)
3.64461246 ArmatusGirlfriend(North_German)
3.66017759 CreodaMum(English)
3.70611657 Grace(Irish)
3.76131626 Nehellenia(Australian)
3.95712016 sonofthedutch(Dutch-English_Canadian)
3.95815614 Alessio_mother(Dutch)
4.04867880 Profileid(white_American)
4.08189907 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
4.24335952 Imperator_Biff(Irish)
4.30015116 Jackson_grandma(English)
4.43756690 Graham(Scottish)
4.58363393 Farke1(British_Islander-Norwegian)
4.68074780 Senpai(white_American)

[Jana]

Siberian is brown to me btw. Pure Siberians look brown and swarthy, they're much darker than south Europeans, with pitch black hair, easy tanned skin and coal black eyes. So let's stay out of that discussion.

[Jana]

Adding North_Atlantic and Baltic together is deceptive, because it makes Western Europeans seem less brown than they actually are. Now using the alternative breakdown, you're 20% brown, but some British users are less than 10% brown (and even Russian users are more brown than Celestia):

Sound realistic, sorry if that hurts your feelings. If anything is deceptive that's including West Med (ENF like component with WHG peaking in southwest Euro), and Bedouin like Red Sea component which has even Horner affinities togheder. Russians nor Finns aren't the whitest, groups like Irish and other NW Euros are.

You got to be really insecure to deny the obvious.

[Leto]

Siberian is brown to me btw. Pure Siberians look brown and swarthy, they're much darker than south Europeans, with pitch black hair, easy tanned skin and coal black eyes. So let's stay out of that discussion.
Who are you referring to? Siberians are not darker than East Asians like Han Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. Brown is usually used for Southern countries & races (Arabs, Indians, Latin Americans etc.)
I prefer avoiding that term altogether. Because it's super vague and not all West Asians are literally brown-skinned. Plenty of them are not when untanned.

[Jana]

Who are you referring to? Siberians are not darker than East Asians like Han Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. Brown is usually used for Southern countries & races (Arabs, Indians, Latin Americans etc.)
I prefer avoiding that term altogether. Because it's super vague and not all West Asians are literally brown-skinned. Plenty of them are not when untanned.

They are dark and would be much darker if they moved to warmer climate. But who cares.
Yet if he uses terminology brown than they def. belong in there.

[Leto]

They are dark and would be much darker if they moved to warmer climate. But who cares.
Yet if he uses terminology brown than they def. belong in there.
The Siberian in Finns doesn't make them darker than Swedes for example. It's still a Northern component if we go by geography. But it's obviously East Eurasian i.e. non-Caucasoid.

[Jana]

The Siberian in Finns doesn't make them darker than Swedes for example. It's still a Northern component if we go by geography. But it's obviously East Eurasian i.e. non-Caucasoid.

Siberian/East Eurasian obviously makes you darker, take a look at pigmentation of Saamis compared to Scandinavians and of Volga-Ural minorities compared to Russians.
Finns underwent some selection for extreme blondism I guess, but average Finn doesn't have much mong.

Saamis do and they are notably darker than Swedes or Norwegians.

[Hulu]

I am far from everybody :lol: Nice work Feichi!

[Komintasavalta]

If anything is deceptive that's including West Med (ENF like component with WHG peaking in southwest Euro), and Bedouin like Red Sea component which has even Horner affinities togheder.

So if Red_Sea is such an ultra-brown component, and if North_Atlantic is not more brown than Baltic, then why is the FST distance between Baltic and Red_Sea 19% higher than the FST distance between North_Atlantic and Red_Sea? Higher Mongoloid ancestry in Baltic does not explain it, because Baltic and North_Atlantic are equally distant from East_Asian.

Here's an MDS plot based on the FST matrix, where it's also clear that North_Atlantic is closer to the different flavors of wogs. (MDS is basically a version of PCA that accepts a distance matrix as an input, and if you calculate the distance matrix of a table and apply MDS to the distance matrix, it produces the same coordinates as PCA applied to the table.)

https://i.ibb.co/T0CkjZ3/mds.png


library(ggplot2)

# FST table from http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/11/updated-eurogenes-k13-at-gedmatch.html
fst=read.csv(row.names=1,check.names=F,text=",North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian,East_Me d,Red_Sea,South_Asian,East_Asian,Siberian,Amerindi an,Oceanian,Northeast_African,Sub-Saharan
North_Atlantic,0,19,28,26,26,52,64,114,111,138,179 ,122,146
Baltic,19,0,36,32,35,62,65,114,111,137,181,127,150
West_Med,28,36,0,36,28,50,76,122,123,154,187,124,1 50
West_Asian,26,32,36,0,21,48,57,110,109,138,177,116 ,140
East_Med,26,35,28,21,0,39,60,111,112,144,176,108,1 35
Red_Sea,52,62,50,48,39,0,82,127,130,161,191,121,14 1
South_Asian,64,65,76,57,60,82,0,76,83,120,146,113, 133
East_Asian,114,114,122,110,111,127,76,0,56,113,166 ,145,164
Siberian,111,111,123,109,112,130,83,56,0,105,177,1 51,170
Amerindian,138,137,154,138,144,161,120,113,105,0,2 17,185,204
Oceanian,179,181,187,177,176,191,146,166,177,217,0 ,203,220
Northeast_African,122,127,124,116,108,121,113,145, 151,185,203,0,41
Sub-Saharan,146,150,150,140,135,141,133,164,170,204,22 0,41,0")

p=as.data.frame(cmdscale(as.dist(fst)))

ggplot(p,aes(V1,V2))+
geom_point(size=.4)+
geom_text(aes(label=row.names(p)),size=2,vjust=-.7)+
scale_x_continuous(breaks=seq(-1000,1000,20),expand=expansion(mult=.08))+
scale_y_continuous(breaks=seq(-1000,1000,20),expand=expansion(mult=.05))+
labs(x="Dim1",y="Dim2")+
theme(
aspect.ratio=1,
axis.text=element_text(color="black",size=6),
axis.text.y=element_text(angle=90,vjust=1,hjust=.5 ),
axis.ticks=element_blank(),
axis.ticks.length=unit(0,"pt"),
axis.title=element_text(color="black",size=8),
legend.position="none",
panel.background=element_rect(fill="white"),
panel.border=element_rect(color="gray80",fill=NA,size=.4),
panel.grid.major=element_line(color="gray80",size=.2),
panel.grid.minor=element_blank()
)

ggsave("a.png",width=6,height=6)

Or here's another MDS plot for just West Eurasians and Africans. North_Atlantic is about halfway between Baltic and West_Med.

https://i.ibb.co/qrS2rTG/mds2.png

[Leto]

All those components clearly cluster as part of the Caucasoid race. Even the Red Sea is much closer to the East Med than to the NE African. The vast majority of whites or Europeans would score things like West Med and West Asian, oftentimes in double digit amounts. East Med/Red Sea is more common in Southern Europe incl. the Balkans but in smaller quantities can be found as far East as Russia and as far West as Britain.

[Jana]

So if Red_Sea is such an ultra-brown component, and if North_Atlantic is not more brown than Baltic, then why is the FST distance between Baltic and Red_Sea 19% higher than the FST distance between North_Atlantic and Red_Sea? Higher Mongoloid ancestry in Baltic does not explain it, because Baltic and North_Atlantic are equally distant from East_Asian.

Here's an MDS plot based on the FST matrix, where it's also clear that North_Atlantic is closer to the different flavors of wogs. (MDS is basically a version of PCA that accepts a distance matrix as an input, and if you calculate the distance matrix of a table and apply MDS to the distance matrix, it produces the same coordinates as PCA applied to the table.)

https://i.ibb.co/T0CkjZ3/mds.png


library(ggplot2)

# FST table from http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/11/updated-eurogenes-k13-at-gedmatch.html
fst=read.csv(row.names=1,check.names=F,text=",North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian,East_Me d,Red_Sea,South_Asian,East_Asian,Siberian,Amerindi an,Oceanian,Northeast_African,Sub-Saharan
North_Atlantic,0,19,28,26,26,52,64,114,111,138,179 ,122,146
Baltic,19,0,36,32,35,62,65,114,111,137,181,127,150
West_Med,28,36,0,36,28,50,76,122,123,154,187,124,1 50
West_Asian,26,32,36,0,21,48,57,110,109,138,177,116 ,140
East_Med,26,35,28,21,0,39,60,111,112,144,176,108,1 35
Red_Sea,52,62,50,48,39,0,82,127,130,161,191,121,14 1
South_Asian,64,65,76,57,60,82,0,76,83,120,146,113, 133
East_Asian,114,114,122,110,111,127,76,0,56,113,166 ,145,164
Siberian,111,111,123,109,112,130,83,56,0,105,177,1 51,170
Amerindian,138,137,154,138,144,161,120,113,105,0,2 17,185,204
Oceanian,179,181,187,177,176,191,146,166,177,217,0 ,203,220
Northeast_African,122,127,124,116,108,121,113,145, 151,185,203,0,41
Sub-Saharan,146,150,150,140,135,141,133,164,170,204,22 0,41,0")

p=as.data.frame(cmdscale(as.dist(fst)))

ggplot(p,aes(V1,V2))+
geom_point(size=.4)+
geom_text(aes(label=row.names(p)),size=2,vjust=-.7)+
scale_x_continuous(breaks=seq(-1000,1000,20),expand=expansion(mult=.08))+
scale_y_continuous(breaks=seq(-1000,1000,20),expand=expansion(mult=.05))+
labs(x="Dim1",y="Dim2")+
theme(
aspect.ratio=1,
axis.text=element_text(color="black",size=6),
axis.text.y=element_text(angle=90,vjust=1,hjust=.5 ),
axis.ticks=element_blank(),
axis.ticks.length=unit(0,"pt"),
axis.title=element_text(color="black",size=8),
legend.position="none",
panel.background=element_rect(fill="white"),
panel.border=element_rect(color="gray80",fill=NA,size=.4),
panel.grid.major=element_line(color="gray80",size=.2),
panel.grid.minor=element_blank()
)

ggsave("a.png",width=6,height=6)

Or here's another MDS plot for just West Eurasians and Africans. North_Atlantic is about halfway between Baltic and West_Med.

https://i.ibb.co/qrS2rTG/mds2.png

Because North Atlantic has higher ENF than Baltic compoent. That should be obvious on first. Baltic is more heavily WHG/EHG and thus most northern white component on K13.
However what I said stand, ENF itself is WHG heavy and completely white admixture (and West med got similarities with it), Red Sea is uber brown.

[Petalpusher]

The problem is it's some modern components, they are already a mix of pretty much everything, in the west eurasian sense. If you run the peak WHG, Villabruna, he gets half N.Atlantic, half Baltic

Kit M236020

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.33
2 Baltic 47.53
3 West_Med 2.4
4 Sub-Saharan 0.56
5 Oceanian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 12.27
2 North_Swedish 12.61
3 Finnish 15.09
4 Estonian 15.69
5 Swedish 16.57

Baltic is not closer to East Asian but it's closer to Amerindian (ANE/East Asian) and to Siberians, still marginal. And even West med is further away from SSA than N.Atlantic in the fst and equal to Baltic, while also further to east asian and more importantly to south Asians, therefore also Oceanians. Red_sea looks like a weird component, im not sure what was the purpose of it, it's like a east med more specific to middle/near easterns, likely low WHG/ANE and basal rich. Even Baltic probably has a lot of basal eurasian in it, and ANE.

[Petalpusher]

double

[Leto]

The problem is it's some modern components, they are already a mix of pretty much everything, in the west eurasian sense. If you run the peak WHG, Villabruna, he gets half N.Atlantic, half Baltic

Kit M236020

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.33
2 Baltic 47.53
3 West_Med 2.4
4 Sub-Saharan 0.56
5 Oceanian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 12.27
2 North_Swedish 12.61
3 Finnish 15.09
4 Estonian 15.69
5 Swedish 16.57

Baltic is not closer to East Asian but it's closer to Amerindian (ANE/East Asian) and to Siberians, still marginal. And even West med is further away from SSA than N.Atlantic in the fst and equal to Baltic, while also further to east asian and more importantly to south Asians, therefore also Oceanians. Red_sea looks like a weird component, im not sure what was the purpose of it, it's like a east med more specific to middle/near easterns, likely low WHG/ANE and basal rich. Even Baltic probably has a lot of basal eurasian in it, and ANE.
Out of curiosity I've run it through Dod K12b

Population
Gedrosia -
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.12 Pct
Atlantic_Med 32 Pct
North_European 66.84 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus -
Sub_Saharan 1.05 Pct

Pretty much 2/3 North European, 1/3 Atlantic Med.

[Petalpusher]

Out of curiosity I've run it through Dod K12b

Population
Gedrosia -
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.12 Pct
Atlantic_Med 32 Pct
North_European 66.84 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian -
Caucasus -
Sub_Saharan 1.05 Pct

Pretty much 2/3 North European, 1/3 Atlantic Med.

Yes that makes sense, it has to give it 100% something, either way. It's just the two components that harbor the most of it, or are the most mesolithic like if it has to choose. This Atlantic_med is more similar to K15's Atlantic, less northern shifted than K13 N.Atlantic but still significantly WHG like.

[Graham]

:shocked:




Distance to: Scottish

1.77631641 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
2.57406294 Catkin(English)
2.63106442 firemonkey_dad(English)
2.68244292 Dreger22310_mother(Breton)
2.94260089 Firemonkey(British)
3.05260544 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)
3.21578917 celticdragongod(Irish)
3.28152404 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
3.32398857 Grace_mother(Irish)
3.32783714 Creoda(English-Irish)
3.49204811 Thorns(white_American)
3.62430683 IceQueen(British)
3.64461246 ArmatusGirlfriend(North_German)
3.66017759 CreodaMum(English)
3.70611657 Grace(Irish)
3.76131626 Nehellenia(Australian)
3.95712016 sonofthedutch(Dutch-English_Canadian)
3.95815614 Alessio_mother(Dutch)
4.04867880 Profileid(white_American)
4.08189907 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
4.24335952 Imperator_Biff(Irish)
4.30015116 Jackson_grandma(English)
4.43756690 Graham(Scottish)
4.58363393 Farke1(British_Islander-Norwegian)
4.68074780 Senpai(white_American)

[Mantuano]

Waiting for a K15 version. This looks great so far.

[Leto]

Green's full results


GreentheViper(Mexican-British),27.34,16.83,10.83,3.08,3.69,0.88,1.34,1.0 2,1.81,31.27,0.38,1.26,0

[qylymla]

Waiting for a K15 version. This looks great so far.

Waiting for a puntdnalK13 Global version. This looks great so far. :)

[Leto]

KuakoVoice(Jewish-Moluccan),6.6,8.15,9.28,4.04,16.79,4.96,2.95,27.98 ,0,0.73,17.74,0.78,0
randomguy1235(Palestinian),5.57,0.9,13,15.16,43.19 ,14.01,2.1,0,0,0,0,5.18,0.88

[Jana]

Green's full results


GreentheViper(Mexican-British),27.34,16.83,10.83,3.08,3.69,0.88,1.34,1.0 2,1.81,31.27,0.38,1.26,0





KuakoVoice(Jewish-Moluccan),6.6,8.15,9.28,4.04,16.79,4.96,2.95,27.98 ,0,0.73,17.74,0.78,0
randomguy1235(Palestinian),5.57,0.9,13,15.16,43.19 ,14.01,2.1,0,0,0,0,5.18,0.88


Added and replaced.

[Leto]

Added and replaced.
Looks like almost everyone who could be added is on the list. Apparently the thread doesn't attract much attention.

[Jana]

Looks like almost everyone who could be added is on the list. Apparently the thread doesn't attract much attention.

I've got 4 upcoming samples, so hold tight :thumbsup:

[Lucas]

So if Red_Sea is such an ultra-brown component, and if North_Atlantic is not more brown than Baltic, then why is the FST distance between Baltic and Red_Sea 19% higher than the FST distance between North_Atlantic and Red_Sea? Higher Mongoloid ancestry in Baltic does not explain it, because Baltic and North_Atlantic are equally distant from East_Asian.

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Why he is banned again?

[Leto]

Why he is banned again?
Maybe he wanted to be banned.
Luke, please update what's in the thread, just a few minutes!

[CommonSense]

Why he is banned again?

He was celebrating the death of a Russian school teacher who got killed in some shooting:

https://i.ibb.co/s20mj6p/unknown.png

[Jana]

KuakoVoice(Jewish-Moluccan),6.6,8.15,9.28,4.04,16.79,4.96,2.95,27.98 ,0,0.73,17.74,0.78,0
randomguy1235(Palestinian),5.57,0.9,13,15.16,43.19 ,14.01,2.1,0,0,0,0,5.18,0.88


btw since user base is quite large we can even get a very decent model for such uber exotic ancestry like half Moluccan! :)

Target: KuakoVoice(Jewish-Moluccan)
Distance: 7.7734% / 7.77341319

44.0 Harley(Samoan)
20.9 vbn(Serb)
16.7 Unknown_European(Jew)
9.4 Salem523(Yemeni_¼_South-Asian)
4.1 Astarte(Greek_Cypriot)
3.4 mashail(Arabian)
1.5 Adamm(Moroccan)

[Leto]

Aleksandar(Serb),25.01,30.64,15.07,11.23,12.49,1.2 9,1.6,1.66,0.55,0.44,0,0,0
mrt19(Turk),5.05,7.05,14.49,30.66,24.73,5.81,2.32, 4.02,5.71,0.16,0,0,0

[Luke35]

I just got a nice little model for me with a little help from Dunai and Kökény.

Target: Mr.G
Distance: 1.6173% / 1.61731765
50.6 Mr.G_mother(German_American)
32.8 Dunai(Hungarian)
16.6 Kökény(Székely)

-------------------

Target: Mr.G
Distance: 1.5782% / 1.57822146
54.4 Mr.G_mother(German_American)
26.3 Kökény(Székely)
19.3 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)

[Sterling Archer]

Couldn't find myself in the list, so here it is:

Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani),5.73,7.94,4.37,41.12, 23.88,5.64,4.63,2.7,2.41,0.53,0.33,0.72,0

[Jana]

Added :)

[Leto]

Does anyone have Argentano's and CrazyDaisy's Gedmatch?

[Jana]

Does anyone have Argentano's and CrazyDaisy's Gedmatch?

They should be somewhere around, because I remember Argentano plotted like full south Italian (sadly I think for both I saw K15 instead of K13)

[J. Ketch]

Would like to see if Centurion plots more like a Brit or a Frog, after his latest posts. I asked for his gedmatch results once but he didn't reply.

[Leto]

They should be somewhere around, because I remember Argentano plotted like full south Italian (sadly I think for both I saw K15 instead of K13)
I've tried finding them but failed. Argentano must be still around but Daisy is long gone.

I wish there was a fully black African user. Not that I want anti-white black nationalism here or anything like that but such a person would be useful for this spreadsheet :cool:

[jfgh676]

Distance to: jfgh676(Moroccan)
5.66076850 nasaz(Algerian)
6.57578893 walid(Moroccan)
6.74075663 marco(Moroccan)
7.78718820 vali18(Algerian)
9.84235744 Adamm(Moroccan)
10.01698557 MsSPF(Algerian_Berber)
10.12637151 Iẓeḍwan-n-Nanna-Tuda(Moroccan-Berber)
10.50813970 Nassbean(morrocan)
10.54258033 Axios(Moroccan)
12.21598952 Ayarezki(Algerian-Kabyle)
18.34941688 Elias(Morrocan+Syrian)
19.31366356 Sp_Loa(morrocan_jew)
20.42481824 Sp_Loa_grandma(morrocan_jew)

Target: jfgh676(Moroccan)
Distance: 2.8908% / 2.89075751 | R4P
39.9 Adamm(Moroccan)
37.7 marco(Moroccan)
13.8 LongbowmanPatriarch(Ashkenazi)
8.6 Heathers(afro-brazilian)

[Kyp]

Distance to: Polish


Cool! I'll make a Mena version of it:

Distance to: Algerian
3.95187297 nasaz(Algerian)
4.47763330 MsSPF(Algerian_Berber)
5.55690561 Axios(Moroccan)
6.04079465 Nassbean(Moroccan)
6.26229990 Iẓeḍwan-n-Nanna-Tuda(Moroccan_Berber)
6.75199230 jfgh676(Moroccan)
7.29839708 Ayarezki(Algerian_Kabyle)
8.15861508 Adamm(Moroccan)
8.50885421 walid(Moroccan)
10.55515514 vali18(Algerian)
10.82861949 marco(Moroccan)
18.85819716 Sp_Loa(Moroccan_Jew)
18.97882768 Elias(Moroccan-Syrian)
19.34595565 Sp_Loa_grandma(Moroccan_Jew)
19.92896886 LongbowmanPatriarch(Ashkenazi)
20.59861646 Principe_Azzurro(South_Italian)
20.78393851 LongbowmanMatriarch(mixed_Jewish)
21.07079021 donriccardo(Sicilian)
21.74429350 Ajeje_Brazorf(South_Italian)
21.83406742 AtlantoMediterranean(Moroccan-Belgian)
22.18473574 Longbowman(Jewish)
22.72010123 pmv74(South_Italian)
22.86054461 Übermensch(South_Italian)
22.87829758 ModernMaskil(Ashkenazi)
22.97704507 talombo(Israeli_Jewish)

Distance to: Armenian
2.45611482 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
5.84342365 Shelati(Assyrian)
5.91455831 Nazarene(Assyrian)
5.95353676 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
6.80172037 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
7.14787381 Orangepulp(Turk)
7.45511234 Aren(Assyrian)
7.82079919 Hadouken(Kurd)
8.28691137 Demhat(Kurd)
9.99333278 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
10.13985700 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
10.28479946 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
10.97587810 Pahli(Kurd)
11.25910742 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
11.47190045 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
11.65142910 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
11.65925812 Malkoz(Turkey)
12.84070092 DrMaul(Iranian)
13.22346778 ramillo(Syrian)
14.50723957 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
14.70325814 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
15.06115533 Bender(Turk)
15.55133113 mrt19(Turk)
15.96998748 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
16.99356937 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)


Distance to: Assyrian_West
2.46564393 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
4.80741095 Nazarene(Assyrian)
5.47560042 Shelati(Assyrian)
6.07461110 Aren(Assyrian)
7.55476671 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
8.95810806 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
11.51240635 ramillo(Syrian)
12.08204039 Hadouken(Kurd)
12.38230592 waam(Jew)
12.61178417 Kamal900(Palestinian)
13.00795526 Orangepulp(Turk)
13.05580714 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
13.52924979 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
13.69693761 Abdelnour(Lebanese)
14.02469608 Demhat(Kurd)
14.74795240 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
14.80045945 Thanas_Django(Greek_Cypriot)
15.33220467 Levant15(Palestinian_Christian)
16.42059378 Pahli(Kurd)
16.84208123 MaldenK(Palestinian)
16.87015116 DrMaul(Iranian)
17.32817648 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
17.35087030 Happycow(Palestinian_Muslim)
17.45102289 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
17.45456101 Malkoz(Turkey)


Distance to: Azeri
4.33193952 Hadouken(Kurd)
6.34693627 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
6.44300396 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
6.57081426 Bender(Turk)
7.22767598 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
7.33503238 Demhat(Kurd)
7.38840308 Malkoz(Turkey)
7.51937497 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
7.64585509 Pahli(Kurd)
8.26985490 Orangepulp(Turk)
8.41151592 DrMaul(Iranian)
8.78726920 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
9.22555689 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
9.70335509 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
11.23571983 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
11.31354498 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
11.36341938 mrt19(Turk)
11.44422999 Shelati(Assyrian)
11.69263443 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
11.95190780 Böri(Turk)
12.91638881 Yakaemir(Turk)
13.26445250 Aren(Assyrian)
13.39493934 Nazarene(Assyrian)
13.52175654 ramillo(Syrian)
13.57025423 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)

Distance to: Balochi
15.04438433 Henry007(Pashtun)
15.89309284 Myanthropologies(Pashtun)
16.84264231 Mingle(Pashtun)
21.91520705 Owight_gavnah(Afghan)
24.26057914 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)
27.14977532 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
30.20830184 Dismal_Knight(Avar)
30.68937438 Azbuzz(Parsi)
30.96272921 Buusra(Avar_Turkey)
31.03789780 Noxv(Chechen)
32.10874336 Rohanspiritual(North_Indian)
33.71436786 Kazbolat(Karachay)
34.55147898 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
35.00139569 Pahli(Kurd)
35.06195089 DrMaul(Iranian)
35.85023012 Bender(Turk)
37.16651450 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
38.05606785 Demhat(Kurd)
38.06274162 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
38.09808000 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
38.43433231 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
39.22292824 Malkoz(Turkey)
39.29341421 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
39.52266059 Hadouken(Kurd)
39.88784151 Böri(Turk)

Distance to: Bedouin
9.11758192 Happycow(Palestinian_Muslim)
10.45075117 randomguy1235(Palestinian)
11.62813399 MaldenK(Palestinian)
13.47739218 Kamal900(Palestinian)
13.91735966 Levant15(Palestinian_Christian)
14.30488378 mashail(Arabian)
14.50283765 Abdelnour(Lebanese)
14.55491326 waam(Jew)
16.16361964 Elias(Moroccan-Syrian)
18.41825453 Salem523(Yemeni_¼_South-Asian)
19.57826601 Sp_Loa(Moroccan_Jew)
20.03831081 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
20.06018943 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
20.06087984 ramillo(Syrian)
20.34777383 talombo(Israeli_Jewish)
20.35745318 Sp_Loa_grandma(Moroccan_Jew)
20.63534831 Thanas_Django(Greek_Cypriot)
21.48381949 Astarte(Greek_Cypriot)
22.24653456 marco(Moroccan)
22.87751298 vali18(Algerian)
23.05340539 walid(Moroccan)
23.24402719 LongbowmanMatriarch(mixed_Jewish)
23.54836088 Pine(Jew)
24.12589895 Unknown_European(Jew)
24.22646074 Meerkat(Ashkenazi)

Distance to: Chechen
5.79727522 Noxv(Chechen)
6.73479770 Buusra(Avar_Turkey)
9.57050678 Dismal_Knight(Avar)
14.10841238 Kazbolat(Karachay)
15.51523767 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
18.48977285 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)
20.21371317 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
20.22315505 Malkoz(Turkey)
20.29005914 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
20.54930412 Bender(Turk)
21.19186636 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
21.74821142 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
21.78224047 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
22.60025221 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)
23.19309811 Böri(Turk)
23.74975368 Demhat(Kurd)
23.75633810 Pahli(Kurd)
24.01345456 Henry007(Pashtun)
24.51296596 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
24.60341236 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
24.73608700 Orangepulp(Turk)
24.76004241 Rius(Turk)
24.80322761 DrMaul(Iranian)
24.88487894 Owight_gavnah(Afghan)
24.94728242 Turkminator(Turk)

Distance to: Iranian
4.11194601 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
4.36715010 DrMaul(Iranian)
5.82292882 Pahli(Kurd)
6.72333994 Demhat(Kurd)
6.96477566 Hadouken(Kurd)
10.11051927 Bender(Turk)
10.33207627 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
10.90335270 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
11.17384893 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
11.49404628 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
12.00685221 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
12.12468144 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
12.23654772 Azbuzz(Parsi)
12.29320137 Shelati(Assyrian)
12.35675928 Aren(Assyrian)
12.54907566 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
12.76794032 Orangepulp(Turk)
13.11276096 Malkoz(Turkey)
13.26211899 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
13.49558817 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
14.18511191 Nazarene(Assyrian)
14.57757867 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
15.23307257 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)
15.53134894 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
17.65045325 mrt19(Turk)

Distance to: Iraqi_Baghdad
4.29866258 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
8.54607512 Shelati(Assyrian)
8.92830891 ramillo(Syrian)
9.68069729 Aren(Assyrian)
10.02442018 Nazarene(Assyrian)
10.28767709 Hadouken(Kurd)
10.54321583 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
10.91156726 Kamal900(Palestinian)
11.29586207 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
11.30106632 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
13.36675353 Demhat(Kurd)
13.55730430 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
13.77969521 DrMaul(Iranian)
14.61756136 waam(Jew)
14.64164267 Orangepulp(Turk)
14.84663261 Pahli(Kurd)
15.33018591 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
15.37514553 Yakaemir(Turk)
15.37522358 Happycow(Palestinian_Muslim)
15.48311984 Bender(Turk)
15.48631654 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
15.48746267 Abdelnour(Lebanese)
15.68151460 mrt19(Turk)
16.27209882 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
16.32999388 Malkoz(Turkey)

Distance to: Jordanian
5.14560978 Happycow(Palestinian_Muslim)
5.99149397 randomguy1235(Palestinian)
6.31652594 MaldenK(Palestinian)
7.69293832 Kamal900(Palestinian)
8.22850533 waam(Jew)
8.53514499 Abdelnour(Lebanese)
8.83089463 Levant15(Palestinian_Christian)
14.49197709 Elias(Moroccan-Syrian)
15.30285268 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
15.39076996 Thanas_Django(Greek_Cypriot)
15.55123468 ramillo(Syrian)
16.11310026 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
16.94290117 talombo(Israeli_Jewish)
17.35817099 Sp_Loa(Moroccan_Jew)
17.96499095 Astarte(Greek_Cypriot)
18.48628951 Sp_Loa_grandma(Moroccan_Jew)
18.77869005 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
19.67843998 Shelati(Assyrian)
19.78593945 Nazarene(Assyrian)
20.17933349 Pine(Jew)
20.18422899 Aren(Assyrian)
20.67237771 Unknown_European(Jew)
20.85017026 LongbowmanMatriarch(mixed_Jewish)
20.90815391 MysteriousWays(Jewish_American)
21.29475757 mashail(Arabian)

Distance to: Kurdish
2.55489726 Pahli(Kurd)
4.29728984 Demhat(Kurd)
5.42013837 Hadouken(Kurd)
5.75756025 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
6.08665754 DrMaul(Iranian)
8.17151761 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
8.29830706 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
9.02781812 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
9.62362198 Orangepulp(Turk)
9.81293534 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
9.91657199 Bender(Turk)
9.94116693 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
9.98387199 Malkoz(Turkey)
10.10000990 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
10.52803400 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
11.08957619 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
11.26002664 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
11.63304775 Shelati(Assyrian)
12.07400928 Aren(Assyrian)
13.12761974 Nazarene(Assyrian)
14.00517404 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
14.25422394 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)
14.26518840 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
15.01007328 Azbuzz(Parsi)
16.45643035 mrt19(Turk)

Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
4.50672830 Kamal900(Palestinian)
5.52543211 waam(Jew)
5.54391558 Abdelnour(Lebanese)
7.88686249 Levant15(Palestinian_Christian)
8.76042807 Thanas_Django(Greek_Cypriot)
8.79869308 MaldenK(Palestinian)
8.83897053 Happycow(Palestinian_Muslim)
9.47474538 ramillo(Syrian)
9.84202723 randomguy1235(Palestinian)
10.39780746 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
11.42846884 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
12.15997944 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
12.24977551 Astarte(Greek_Cypriot)
12.82079561 talombo(Israeli_Jewish)
13.29063956 Nazarene(Assyrian)
13.29663491 Shelati(Assyrian)
14.86258726 Elias(Moroccan-Syrian)
14.87337890 Aren(Assyrian)
15.79648695 Sp_Loa(Moroccan_Jew)
16.56566328 Pine(Jew)
16.63455440 Sp_Loa_grandma(Moroccan_Jew)
17.21569052 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
17.71342429 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
18.24172689 Hadouken(Kurd)
18.27827672 MysteriousWays(Jewish_American)

Distance to: Moroccan
2.55168572 Iẓeḍwan-n-Nanna-Tuda(Moroccan_Berber)
5.96106534 Adamm(Moroccan)
6.73657925 walid(Moroccan)
6.85948978 nasaz(Algerian)
7.10418891 Ayarezki(Algerian_Kabyle)
8.28040458 MsSPF(Algerian_Berber)
8.77356826 Axios(Moroccan)
9.48083857 jfgh676(Moroccan)
9.75502947 vali18(Algerian)
9.95292419 marco(Moroccan)
12.18247512 Nassbean(Moroccan)
20.18167981 Elias(Moroccan-Syrian)
22.52390064 Sp_Loa(Moroccan_Jew)
22.72031470 Sp_Loa_grandma(Moroccan_Jew)
24.90781203 LongbowmanPatriarch(Ashkenazi)
24.98497549 LongbowmanMatriarch(mixed_Jewish)
25.54884538 donriccardo(Sicilian)
25.61390833 talombo(Israeli_Jewish)
25.70817185 Principe_Azzurro(South_Italian)
26.01246240 Ajeje_Brazorf(South_Italian)
26.23439155 pmv74(South_Italian)
26.53862091 AtlantoMediterranean(Moroccan-Belgian)
26.76687132 Longbowman(Jewish)
27.06293591 Voskos(Greek_Cretan)
27.11874997 Übermensch(South_Italian)

Distance to: Syrian
4.30835235 Kamal900(Palestinian)
7.07678599 Happycow(Palestinian_Muslim)
7.24653710 waam(Jew)
7.28415403 Abdelnour(Lebanese)
8.60954703 Levant15(Palestinian_Christian)
8.67745931 MaldenK(Palestinian)
9.12342041 randomguy1235(Palestinian)
9.99185168 ramillo(Syrian)
10.61698168 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
11.68807084 Thanas_Django(Greek_Cypriot)
12.18358732 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
13.30399188 Elias(Moroccan-Syrian)
13.47275399 Astarte(Greek_Cypriot)
13.69313332 talombo(Israeli_Jewish)
14.38128645 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
14.82486425 Shelati(Assyrian)
14.93358631 Nazarene(Assyrian)
16.09119946 Sp_Loa(Moroccan_Jew)
16.22483590 Aren(Assyrian)
16.96114678 Sp_Loa_grandma(Moroccan_Jew)
17.94531415 Pine(Jew)
18.54210614 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
19.25218689 Yakaemir(Turk)
19.27455836 LongbowmanMatriarch(mixed_Jewish)
19.28648491 Hadouken(Kurd)

Distance to: Turk_Anatolia
4.43517756 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
5.66474183 mrt19(Turk)
6.08000000 Turkminator(Turk)
6.15348682 gültekin(Turk)
6.58359324 Yakaemir(Turk)
8.19541945 Hapanuwa(Turk_Aegean)
9.23056336 Böri(Turk)
10.12720593 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
10.36087834 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
10.51831736 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
10.54322057 Malkoz(Turkey)
10.72413167 Bender(Turk)
10.77978664 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
10.87829950 Rius(Turk)
11.17509284 ramillo(Syrian)
11.44380619 Orangepulp(Turk)
12.64703523 Hadouken(Kurd)
12.92657727 Ryujin(Balkan-Anatolian_Turk)
14.25958274 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Adyghean)
14.54655286 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)
14.73672962 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
15.15496948 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
15.26232289 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
15.56236165 Demhat(Kurd)
15.59886214 Kerem_turc(Zaza)

Distance to: Turkmen
11.74008092 Böri(Turk)
12.39856443 Bender(Turk)
12.57928456 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
15.37970416 Owight_gavnah(Afghan)
15.41452886 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
15.57155098 Turkminator(Turk)
16.44916411 gültekin(Turk)
16.86426696 Malkoz(Turkey)
16.99842346 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
17.37884346 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
17.54459176 mrt19(Turk)
18.10779114 Azbuzz(Parsi)
18.31493653 Hadouken(Kurd)
18.43115298 DrMaul(Iranian)
18.52255652 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
18.55397262 Yakaemir(Turk)
18.69518387 Pahli(Kurd)
18.70129675 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
19.21986733 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
19.68135666 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)
19.80721333 Orangepulp(Turk)
19.81749480 Ulaş(Turkish-Kazakh-Kyrgyz)
20.07935507 Demhat(Kurd)
20.08247744 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
21.25043294 Hapanuwa(Turk_Aegean)

[Jana]

Nice Kyp! :thumbsup:

[Leto]

Halgurd(Kurd),5.79,2.99,4.32,39.42,30.92,5.84,6.42 ,0,1.9,1.36,0,1.02,0

[Leto]

Adamastor(Italo_Brazilian),33.41,16.95,23.17,5.61, 17.30,0,0,1.16,0,0,0,1.87,0

Less than 1% is missing.

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Farke1(British-Norwegian),52.09,26.29,9.52,7.98,1.06,0,1.03,0,1.6 1,0.41,0,0,0

[Jana]

Done.

[Kyp]

Distance to: Abhkasian
13.92676919 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
14.48894061 Kazbolat(Karachay)
14.76243544 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
16.05256054 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)
16.05979763 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
16.18765270 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
16.28841613 Noxv(Chechen)
17.16100813 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
18.07493015 Pahli(Kurd)
18.23067470 Demhat(Kurd)
18.62687038 Malkoz(Turkey)
18.65297831 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
19.37343800 Orangepulp(Turk)
19.47802095 Halgurd(Kurd)
20.79516771 DrMaul(Iranian)
20.87259687 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
21.32436400 Hadouken(Kurd)
22.15580737 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
22.41813775 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
23.81027509 Buusra(Avar_Turkey)
23.94880164 Böri(Turk)
24.01281949 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
25.20654479 Dismal_Knight(Avar)
25.41136163 mrt19(Turk)

Distance to: Avar
3.76097062 Dismal_Knight(Avar)
5.64869897 Buusra(Avar_Turkey)
10.56793736 Noxv(Chechen)
20.21705221 Kazbolat(Karachay)
21.94217172 Henry007(Pashtun)
22.08356629 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
23.88649409 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)
25.92721929 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)
26.18538715 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
26.59597902 Owight_gavnah(Afghan)
26.99082622 Malkoz(Turkey)
27.08705595 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)

27.28984976 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
27.65624523 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
28.26588403 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
28.53795368 Myanthropologies(Pashtun)
29.33153763 Böri(Turk)
29.35351086 War_Chief(Gagauz-Ossetian-Ukrainian)
29.42665968 Pahli(Kurd)
29.65766511 Halgurd(Kurd)
30.23295553 Mingle(Pashtun)
30.43862842 Demhat(Kurd)
30.98650997 DrMaul(Iranian)
31.09533245 Kerem_turc(Zaza)

Distance to: Georgian
12.05187122 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
13.30707706 Kazbolat(Karachay)
13.83466660 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
14.32062149 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
14.44591292 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
14.45567017 Noxv(Chechen)
16.04987227 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)
16.26193715 Malkoz(Turkey)
16.28904233 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
16.65203891 Pahli(Kurd)
16.65850834 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
16.70308355 Demhat(Kurd)
17.89049468 Orangepulp(Turk)
17.92641626 Halgurd(Kurd)
19.59869128 DrMaul(Iranian)
19.63406733 Hadouken(Kurd)
19.76152828 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
20.54251445 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
20.78339241 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
21.32160641 Buusra(Avar_Turkey)
22.10818401 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
22.23821036 Böri(Turk)
23.05660643 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
23.08324934 Dismal_Knight(Avar)

Distance to: Greek_Trabzon
4.93634480 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
6.98232053 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
7.16210863 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
7.27843390 Nazarene(Assyrian)
8.00507339 Shelati(Assyrian)
8.23738429 Orangepulp(Turk)
10.45580700 Aren(Assyrian)
11.22015597 Hadouken(Kurd)
11.52326777 Demhat(Kurd)
11.62600103 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
11.67136239 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
12.36006877 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Circassian)
13.09325017 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
13.15643949 Malkoz(Turkey)
13.50857876 ramillo(Syrian)
13.74660322 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
14.05389626 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
14.22114271 Halgurd(Kurd)
14.66101293 Pahli(Kurd)
15.16353191 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
15.70176742 mrt19(Turk)
16.07665388 DrMaul(Iranian)
16.64879575 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
17.36082947 Thanas_Django(Greek_Cypriot)

Distance to: Kumyk
8.66859273 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
9.58826887 Noxv(Chechen)
12.46398010 Kazbolat(Karachay)
12.56105489 Malkoz(Turkey)
12.64138442 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
13.06999235 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
13.52080619 Buusra(Avar_Turkey)
13.69120155 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
13.91525781 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)
14.43065834 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
15.71985051 Böri(Turk)
16.38193822 Demhat(Kurd)
16.80970850 Orangepulp(Turk)
16.84055522 mrt19(Turk)
16.89074303 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
17.04773005 Halgurd(Kurd)
17.18048602 Pahli(Kurd)
17.19182655 Dismal_Knight(Avar)
17.22497895 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
17.37014105 Rius(Turk)
17.60309064 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
17.71331702 DrMaul(Iranian)
17.74552338 Turkminator(Turk)
17.85742703 Kerem_turc(Zaza)

Distance to: Lor_Iran
3.57247813 DrMaul(Iranian)
5.03298122 Pahli(Kurd)
5.05013861 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
5.20771543 Demhat(Kurd)
6.42797791 Hadouken(Kurd)
6.48622386 Halgurd(Kurd)
10.20719354 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
10.55437824 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
10.73664286 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
10.77356487 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
11.01181638 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
11.14190738 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
11.15690369 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
11.29331661 Shelati(Assyrian)
11.57598808 Orangepulp(Turk)
11.64118121 Aren(Assyrian)
12.35703443 Malkoz(Turkey)
12.46385976 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
12.56238831 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
12.94258861 Nazarene(Assyrian)
13.14552015 Azbuzz(Parsi)
13.34528756 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Circassian)
14.59237472 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
14.77184823 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)

Distance to: Saudi
6.19706382 mashail(Arabian)
20.84602600 Salem523(Yemeni_¼_South-Asian)
21.54101205 Happycow(Palestinian_Muslim)
22.72146782 randomguy1235(Palestinian)
22.90762755 MaldenK(Palestinian)
24.93662768 Levant15(Palestinian_Christian)
25.98023479 waam(Jew)
26.18276150 Abdelnour(Lebanese)
26.78544754 Kamal900(Palestinian)
29.96055574 vali18(Algerian)
30.35198511 marco(Moroccan)
30.79677418 Elias(Moroccan-Syrian)
31.25156956 walid(Moroccan)
32.11176420 Sp_Loa(Moroccan_Jew)
32.48765920 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Circassian)
32.68467837 Sp_Loa_grandma(Moroccan_Jew)
33.78842997 talombo(Israeli_Jewish)
33.87974469 Thanas_Django(Greek_Cypriot)
34.08565094 ramillo(Syrian)
34.23530050 Adamm(Moroccan)
34.30707070 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
34.78511320 Unknown_European(Jew)
35.11820326 jfgh676(Moroccan)
35.14735836 Astarte(Greek_Cypriot)
35.22080209 nasaz(Algerian)

Distance to: Talysh
4.62671590 Demhat(Kurd)
5.19560391 Pahli(Kurd)
5.33814575 DrMaul(Iranian)
5.38019516 Halgurd(Kurd)
5.62518444 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
6.78126094 Hadouken(Kurd)
8.28679069 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
8.33713380 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
8.44102482 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
8.97181698 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
9.05099994 Bender(Turk)
9.72532262 Orangepulp(Turk)
9.84642575 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
10.42772746 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
10.46171592 Malkoz(Turkey)
10.59778279 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
11.37848408 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
11.53810210 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
12.40261263 Shelati(Assyrian)
12.97791586 Aren(Assyrian)
14.20546374 Nazarene(Assyrian)
14.51097860 TheCaspian(Iranian_Mazanderani)
14.99573606 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Circassian)
15.25420270 Azbuzz(Parsi)
15.34318741 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)

Distance to: Turk_East
4.37436853 Orangepulp(Turk)
4.66963596 Hadouken(Kurd)
5.58033153 Malkoz(Turkey)
5.58657319 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
6.18405207 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
6.51093695 Demhat(Kurd)
6.86458302 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
7.75521115 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
8.23512599 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
8.29522754 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
8.30266825 Halgurd(Kurd)
8.55385293 Bender(Turk)
8.72697542 Pahli(Kurd)
9.15343105 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
9.46772412 Shelati(Assyrian)
9.73127946 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
10.14110941 mrt19(Turk)
10.21193419 DrMaul(Iranian)
10.69726133 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
10.82092417 Nazarene(Assyrian)
11.11634832 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
11.14672598 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
11.42937006 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Circassian)
11.79924574 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
12.01698381 ramillo(Syrian)

Distance to: Turk_South
5.62510444 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
6.01946011 mrt19(Turk)
6.48413448 Turkminator(Turk)
7.04199546 Yakaemir(Turk)
7.05845592 gültekin(Turk)
9.03781500 Hapanuwa(Turk_Aegean)
9.04698292 Böri(Turk)
10.63838804 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
10.70138309 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
11.26808324 ramillo(Syrian)
11.34460224 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
11.36573359 Malkoz(Turkey)
11.52120653 Rius(Turk)
12.02570164 Orangepulp(Turk)
12.09149288 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
12.68706822 Hadouken(Kurd)
13.91667705 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Circassian)
14.27263115 Ryujin(Balkan-Anatolian_Turk)
15.21392126 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
15.48072027 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
15.73278424 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
15.76221114 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
15.77587715 Demhat(Kurd)
15.79111776 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)

Distance to: Turk_North_West
3.35292410 Turkminator(Turk)
3.37897914 gültekin(Turk)
6.52293646 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
6.53905192 Hapanuwa(Turk_Aegean)
7.29971232 Yakaemir(Turk)
8.04018656 mrt19(Turk)
10.87081414 Böri(Turk)
10.88988062 Ryujin(Balkan-Anatolian_Turk)
12.07155748 Rius(Turk)
12.83839164 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)
13.19624568 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)
13.69541894 Karakartal(Balkan_Turk)
14.17662513 Bender(Turk)
14.26409829 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
14.49483011 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
14.53906462 Malkoz(Turkey)
14.61359641 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
15.54525651 ramillo(Syrian)
16.21527058 Orangepulp(Turk)
16.42806136 OrhanU(Turk)
16.54981873 Essexboy(Turkish_Cypriot)
16.85260217 lacreme's_friend_Chris(Greek)
17.06021102 Ulaş(Turkish-Kazakh-Kyrgyz)
17.35317262 Kaspias(Balkan_Turk-Pomak)
17.36464224 kingjohn(Jew)

Distance to: Turkmen_Uzbekistan
11.97871446 Ulaş(Turkish-Kazakh-Kyrgyz)
15.33344384 Yaglakar(Uyghur)
19.55216868 Turkminator(Turk)
19.73857138 Böri(Turk)
21.08421922 gültekin(Turk)
22.07374005 Owight_gavnah(Afghan)
22.78753387 Bender(Turk)
23.81173450 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
23.88651921 mrt19(Turk)
23.95794440 Mehmet_Udegey(Turk)
24.14806825 Yakaemir(Turk)
25.00846857 Korialstrasz(Caucasian-Balkan_Turk)
25.14773151 Hapanuwa(Turk_Aegean)
25.48641207 Bakha(Bukharan-Russian)
26.46275496 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
26.81540975 Kaspias(Balkan_Turk-Pomak)
27.43576498 Malkoz(Turkey)
27.49911453 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
27.50719360 Rius(Turk)
27.80683549 Ryujin(Balkan-Anatolian_Turk)
28.08166662 migrec(Balkan_Turk)
28.34425691 Karakartal(Balkan_Turk)
28.43972046 Knowledge_is_king(Kazakh)
28.79752594 Kazbolat(Karachay)
28.87294408 Mortimer(Romani-Serb)

Distance to: Zaza
2.87468259 Demhat(Kurd)
3.90440777 Hadouken(Kurd)
4.64096973 Pahli(Kurd)
5.52300643 Halgurd(Kurd)
5.93228455 Kerem_turc(Zaza)
6.33601610 DrMaul(Iranian)
6.67746958 RatCat(Circassian-Trabzon_Turk)
7.77408516 Orangepulp(Turk)
7.97014429 Malkoz(Turkey)
8.00549811 Altaic(Turk_east_Anatolia)
8.02527258 Gangrel(Kurd-Turk)
8.06216472 Pater_Patota(Circassian-Pomak-Albanian)
8.45056211 Oszkar_wife(Armenian)
8.51842122 Bender(Turk)
8.69863782 Kyp_Father(Azeri)
9.21442348 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
10.08613405 Shelati(Assyrian)
10.09004955 Prinses(Northeast_Turkish)
11.65972984 Nazarene(Assyrian)
11.70395660 Aren(Assyrian)
12.57332096 StonyArabia(Bedouin-Circassian)
13.05028352 ZephyrousMandaru(Assyrian)
13.28309452 ShomaliJunubi(Iran_Mazandarani-Persian)
13.82360300 mrt19(Turk)
14.43989958 Roman-Anatolian(Pontic_Greek)

[Sterling Archer]

Distance to: Kumyk
8.66859273 Sterling_Archer(Azerbaijani)
9.58826887 Noxv(Chechen)
12.40074998 Bender(Turk)
12.46398010 Kazbolat(Karachay)

Nice.

[Graham]

Can anyone run the members over these please? Can't get it to work


Scotland_IA, 53.40, 23.01, 12.18, 7.68, 0.29, 0.70, 1.14, 0.00, 0.32, 0.00, 0.81, 0.00, 0.49

England_IA, 49.97, 23.67, 13.13, 7.50, 1.80, 0.36, 1.13, 0.17, 0.49, 0.58, 0.46, 0.18, 0.57

Scandinavia_IA, 49.00, 32.33, 8.57, 4.64, 0.57, 0.41, 0.90, 0.02, 1.22, 0.68, 0.34, 0.44, 0.90

France_IA, 43.52, 18.89, 21.39, 3.24, 7.87, 1.28, 0.87, 0.22, 0.53, 0.64, 0.72, 0.43, 0.39

[Grace O'Malley]

Can anyone run the members over these please? Can't get it to work


Scotland_IA, 53.40, 23.01, 12.18, 7.68, 0.29, 0.70, 1.14, 0.00, 0.32, 0.00, 0.81, 0.00, 0.49

England_IA, 49.97, 23.67, 13.13, 7.50, 1.80, 0.36, 1.13, 0.17, 0.49, 0.58, 0.46, 0.18, 0.57

Scandinavia_IA, 49.00, 32.33, 8.57, 4.64, 0.57, 0.41, 0.90, 0.02, 1.22, 0.68, 0.34, 0.44, 0.90

France_IA, 43.52, 18.89, 21.39, 3.24, 7.87, 1.28, 0.87, 0.22, 0.53, 0.64, 0.72, 0.43, 0.39

I've just done the Top 25


Distance to: Scotland_IA
3.29903016 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)
3.31022658 IceQueen(British)
3.64108500 Albannach(Scottish-Irish)
3.69276319 Grace_mother(Irish)
3.74561076 Alessio_mother(Dutch)
3.83579197 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
3.97734836 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
4.18990453 Creoda(English-Irish)
4.36005734 Imperator_Biff(Irish)
4.42078047 Grace(Irish)
4.42080309 Firemonkey(British)
4.42087095 Dreger22310_mother(Breton)
4.69380443 Catkin(English)
4.83955576 Nehellenia(Australian)
4.84391371 Farke1(Irish-British-Norwegian)
4.92488579 firemonkey_dad(English)
4.95896158 Jackson_grandma(English)
5.16606233 sonofthedutch(Dutch-English_Canadian)
5.18569185 Graham(Scottish)
5.42101467 ArmatusGirlfriend(North_German)
5.47812012 Thorns(white_American)
5.54115511 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
5.57362539 celticdragongod(Irish)
5.85410967 Profileid(white_American)
5.88600883 CreodaMum(English)


Distance to: England_IA
1.79306999 Black_Wolf_mother(British-Canadian)
1.97858535 Dreger22310_mother(Breton)
2.10273631 Catkin(English)
2.13770905 Grace_mother(Irish)
2.36501586 Thorns(white_American)
2.46827875 CreodaMum(English)
2.47786198 Nehellenia(Australian)
2.79681962 Daco-Celtic_mom(Irish_American)
3.11223392 celticdragongod(Irish)
3.23346563 Senpai(white_American)
3.48968480 flooos(Irish)
3.69597078 firemonkey_dad(English)
3.79254532 Alessio_grandfather(Dutch)
4.00256168 IceQueen(British)
4.01149598 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
4.02952851 aynora(German)
4.07277547 Profileid(white_American)
4.12790504 Celestia(white_American)
4.36948510 Jackson_grandma(English)
4.42104060 Imperator_Biff(Irish)
4.42455647 Solothurn(English)
4.53196425 Gooding(Anglo_American)
4.55973683 Firemonkey(British)
4.65289157 Grace(Irish)
4.76807089 Caismeachd(Scot)


Distance to: Scandinavia_IA
5.32850823 Matxe92(Danish-Polish)
6.16429234 Snkves(Swedish)
6.23056980 Folcwalding(North_Dutch)
6.29799968 evon(Norwegian)
6.69100142 sgc2009_gmother(Swedish_Scanian)
7.36975576 Token(German)
7.63274525 Reith(German-Norse_American)
7.73676289 Farke1(Irish-British-Norwegian)
7.84167712 Mars(Dutch)
8.15301171 Halge(Swedish)
8.20186564 CreodaDad(Irish)
8.33015006 Graham's_Mum(Scottish)
8.47262651 Christofer(German_American)
8.52044013 Grace(Irish)
8.53225058 celticdragongod(Irish)
8.94755833 Caismeachd(Scot)
9.11581044 Dandelion(Flemish)
9.16399476 Inf99Mom(white_American)
9.20782819 WhatsGoingOnBigGuy(white_American)
9.29421325 Uull(Prussian_American)
9.44409869 Catkin(English)
9.47910333 Profileid(white_American)
9.48067508 aynora(German)
9.50780732 Solothurn(English)
9.57366701 Albannach(Scottish-Irish)

Distance to: France_IA
3.65920756 Nyx(French_Canadian)
4.72967229 Petalpusher(French)
4.91477365 Rudel(French)
4.99767946 Tchek(Belgian)
5.02462934 Petalpusher_mother(French_Provence)
5.46620527 Pendragon(Northwest_French)
5.83052313 Mopi(Spanish-British-Irish)
6.41626839 J.S.(French)
6.78952870 Laly_husband(Walloon)
7.01872496 Prettydambrittish(Anglo-American)
7.19808308 Laly(Portuguese-Belgian)
7.29245501 Armatus(South-West_German)
7.66014360 Saint_Glinglin(French)
7.80603613 Norb(English)
8.24855745 Inf99Dad(white_American)
8.40913194 TheOldNorth(European-JewishAmerican)
8.47291567 Jackson_aunt(English)
8.51916076 ArmatusGrandfather(West_German)
8.91066776 Jingorex(white_American)
9.00812966 Spaniard2.0(Spanish)
9.07367070 Lawalye(Belgian)
9.09211747 Shuffle(South_German)
9.11797675 acbrasil(white_Brazilian)
9.15038797 Rædwald(English-French_Canadian)
9.20680183 Morticia(white_American)

[Leto]

Flowerz(Uzbek),8.22,8.4,2.14,26.47,4.29,3.73,12.33 ,12.98,17.17,2.77,0.91,0.36,0.22

[Leto]

I've just done the Top 25

Ca you re-check your mother's values? They should add up to 100 percent.

[J. Ketch]

I've tried finding them but failed. Argentano must be still around but Daisy is long gone.

I wish there was a fully black African user. Not that I want anti-white black nationalism here or anything like that but such a person would be useful for this spreadsheet :cool:
Not fully black but

Herb3(Black-American),6.42,4.97,2.12,1.15,1.97,1.52,1.41,0,0,1 .83,0.27,5.59,72.75

Target: Herb3(Black-American)
Distance: 0.9827% / 0.98269396 | ADC: 0.25x RC
81.4 Mandenka
7.4 Czech
7.2 Afrikaner
2.2 Gypsy_Wallachia
1.8 Mayan


JamesBond007's incomplete result. Seeing as he won't post his full result I've added 0.75% to East Med, South Asian, and SSA, things he's likely to have, and it brings down his distances.

JamesBond007(American),49.81,23.36,13.17,8.10,0.75 ,0,0.75,0,1.37,0,1.15,0,0.75

Also

-sonofthedutch was a 3/4 Dutch, 1/4 English Canadian
-**JC** was an Australian of mostly British Isles and some German ancestry

[Grace O'Malley]

Ca you re-check your mother's values? They should add up to 100 percent.


Grace_mother(Irish),50.41,23.81,12.95,8.33,0.52,0. 27,2.1,0,0.39,1,0.14,0.07,0

Distance to: Grace_mother(Irish)
2.67663968 Irish_Connacht
2.97269238 Irish_Leinster
2.99773248 Irish
3.02970296 Scottish
3.54687186 Irish_Ulster
3.55827205 Irish_Munster
3.57705186 Welsh
4.17117489 English_North
4.28544047 Orcadian
4.33636945 West_Scottish
4.68176249 English_Southwest
4.69855297 English
4.79818716 English_Midlands
4.80015625 Cornish
4.84349048 Icelandic
5.29834880 English_Southeast
5.54378932 Dutch
5.61542518 Dutch_Central
5.80053446 Dutch_North
6.09442368 France_north-west
6.28003185 German_Northwest
6.69278716 Norwegian
6.83338862 North_German
6.83796753 Denmark
7.37328285 Norway_South_Central

She's actually all Munster and many generations so the distances are strange. Although if a lot of the Munster samples are comprised of people from Cork or Kerry it might make a difference as she is from North Munster.

[Leto]

Alessio(Italian-Dutch),37.15,12.73,18.32,11.57,16.54,2.50,0,0,0.86 ,0.22,0,0.11,0


Full result:


de_Burgh_II(Acadian-American),50.64,19.98,15.56,5.99,4.3,1,1.05,0,0,1. 2,0.05,0.23,0

[Leto]

JamesBond007's incomplete result. Seeing as he won't post his full result I've added 0.75% to East Med, South Asian, and SSA, things he's likely to have, and it brings down his distances.

JamesBond007(American),49.81,23.36,13.17,8.10,0.75 ,0,0.75,0,1.37,0,1.15,0,0.75

At least I managed to find Kevin's full Dodecad results. His Gedrosia is massive, 12%!

@Jamesbond007
Please post your full results for this spreadsheet. We all know it's noise and not real admixture!

[Jana]

If I remember correctly JamesBond scores above 1% SSA, that's why he's refusing to post his full results.

[Jana]

Discussed with user Paradox about potential second spreadsheet, where we could have more detailed info about each sample (region of ancestry eg), since in this sheet information was reduced to make it more PCA friendly and syncronised.
(still not over with that)

So 2nd sheet with more user info, what do you think?

[Leto]

Discussed with user Paradox about potential second spreadsheet, where we could have more detailed info about each sample (region of ancestry eg), since in this sheet information was reduced to make it more PCA friendly and syncronised.
(still not over with that)

So 2nd sheet with more user info, what do you think?
Nah, for me this one is enough. Some people obsess about their minor admixture only to feel good about themselves. Like Richmondbread with his non-existent Native American (a very extreme case).

[Jana]

Nah, for me this one is enough. Some people obsess about their minor admixture only to feel good about themselves. Like Richmondbread with his non-existent Native American (a very extreme case).

It's not about that. It's about knowing where each sample is from. Italians and Greeks have big genetic diversity, French too, now they are all under one banner.
It would be useful for members who don't know origin of each sample in the list to have that second list with more information about them.

[Jana]

Not fully black but

Herb3(Black-American),6.42,4.97,2.12,1.15,1.97,1.52,1.41,0,0,1 .83,0.27,5.59,72.75

Target: Herb3(Black-American)
Distance: 0.9827% / 0.98269396 | ADC: 0.25x RC
81.4 Mandenka
7.4 Czech
7.2 Afrikaner
2.2 Gypsy_Wallachia
1.8 Mayan


JamesBond007's incomplete result. Seeing as he won't post his full result I've added 0.75% to East Med, South Asian, and SSA, things he's likely to have, and it brings down his distances.

JamesBond007(American),49.81,23.36,13.17,8.10,0.75 ,0,0.75,0,1.37,0,1.15,0,0.75

Also

-sonofthedutch was a 3/4 Dutch, 1/4 English Canadian
-**JC** was an Australian of mostly British Isles and some German ancestry

Added. Edite sonofthedutch into Dutch, 1/4 English

Now what about Canadian, Australian labels? Should be added or nor? Wonder about opinion on posters here because some like you and Grace don't have it, some do.

[Jana]

Alessio(Italian-Dutch),37.15,12.73,18.32,11.57,16.54,2.50,0,0,0.86 ,0.22,0,0.11,0


Full result:


de_Burgh_II(Acadian-American),50.64,19.98,15.56,5.99,4.3,1,1.05,0,0,1. 2,0.05,0.23,0


Done.

[Defcon2]

If I remember correctly JamesBond scores above 1% SSA, that's why he's refusing to post his full results.

There are people who take this too seriously and are definitely not prepared, they think that a certain mixture makes them less white, and what if it is so? It can not be changed.

[Leto]

There are people who take this too seriously and are definitely not prepared, they think that a certain mixture makes them less white, and what if it is so? It can not be changed.
So you decided to troll yourself as a Negro/Moro? Not gonna lie, your Y DNA kinda sucks.

[Defcon2]

So you decided to troll yourself as a Negro/Moro? Not gonna lie, your Y DNA kinda sucks.

I'm not going to lie to you either, I agree, my Y-DNA is too eccentric of a thing to take seriously. But I'm also 3% non-Eurasian so I'm not scared of this not typically non-European kind of thing. I'd rather keep joking than get bitter.

[Leto]

I'm not going to lie to you either, I agree, my Y-DNA is too eccentric of a thing to take seriously. But I'm also 3% non-Eurasian so I'm not scared of this not typically non-European kind of thing. I'd rather keep joking than get bitter.
Well, thankfully this forum has almost no black people. Don't tell 'em about your lineage, especially those from the US are pretty wild oftentimes. ;)

[Alexandro]

I'm not going to lie to you either, I agree, my Y-DNA is too eccentric of a thing to take seriously. But I'm also 3% non-Eurasian so I'm not scared of this not typically non-European kind of thing. I'd rather keep joking than get bitter.

We are blacks, my friend. Do not listen to what this Bruneian Greek-Orthodox Rus man has to say, for we are children of Africa blessed by the Vodou lwa. Bless up.

[Defcon2]

Well, thankfully this forum has almost no black people. Don't tell 'em about your lineage, especially those from the US are pretty wild oftentimes. ;)

But it is a demonstration of black ancestry, right? What are those going to say to me? especially those nigga with R1b :laugh:

[Leto]

But it is a demonstration of black ancestry, right? What are those going to say to me? especially those nigga with R1b :laugh:
They'll tell you you are proof that Spain used to be a black country or something.

[Alexandro]

They'll tell you you are proof that Spain used to be a black country or something.

The moors were black and raped everyone in the peninsula, so we are all at least 20% SSA.

[Defcon2]

They'll tell you you are proof that Spain used to be a black country or something.

It is partly true, and as a demonstration of that myself.

[J. Ketch]

Added. Edite sonofthedutch into Dutch, 1/4 English

Now what about Canadian, Australian labels? Should be added or nor? Wonder about opinion on posters here because some like you and Grace don't have it, some do.
My view is that people with multiple generations roots in a country should have new world labels. Most of them tend to be mixed with more than 2 ethnicities or in an uneven way, which isn't easily described in shorthand. Once people are 2nd generation+ they tend to identify primarily as just Australian or whatever. Actually in Australia most 1st generation British/Irish and other NW Euro's don't identify much with their heritage, and even many who came over here as kids, but that's off-topic.

I'm fine with having the Australian label added but it doesn't add context for me, nor for Grace who is Irish-born, so practically an Irish expat. My parents only moved back here months before I was born too :)

[Leto]

Madmax(Spaniard-Portuguese),40.36,9.28,26.9,3.85,13.09,2.82,1.09,0 ,0,0.39,0,2.24,0

[Jana]

My view is that people with multiple generations roots in a country should have new world labels. Most of them tend to be mixed with more than 2 ethnicities or in an uneven way, which isn't easily described in shorthand. Once people are 2nd generation+ they tend to identify primarily as just Australian or whatever. Actually in Australia most 1st generation British/Irish and other NW Euro's don't identify much with their heritage, and even many who came over here as kids, but that's off-topic.

I'm fine with having the Australian label added but it doesn't add context for me, nor for Grace who is Irish-born, so practically an Irish expat. My parents only moved back here months before I was born too :)

That make sense totally :) Won't add for you and Grace, added Canadian to sonofthedutch. For some reason I had idea you are long time Australian (multiple generations), but this make sense, you probably wouldn't be perfect 50/50 split if you were.
It's good idea to approach each case individually.




Madmax(Spaniard-Portuguese),40.36,9.28,26.9,3.85,13.09,2.82,1.09,0 ,0,0.39,0,2.24,0


Added.

[J.S.]

JamesBond007(American),49.81,23.36,13.17,8.10,0.75 ,0,0.75,0,1.37,0,1.15,0,0.75[/CODE]


What do you mean by "incomplete result"?

[Leto]

asuvis(Georgian-Rusyn-Greek),18.24,32.12,7.45,22.07,13.02,1.29,2.06,0.19 ,1.53,1.56,0,0.43,0

[Petalpusher]

I can see why "jamesbond" is often pulled away from the UK in calculators, higher Baltic than average and a bit more West Asian than what is usual. Now some Alsatian could do that, unlikely he has 0% East med in the meantime then. It can be close to zero in Uk, but that would be rare in West Germany/East France.

[Ayetooey]

Aye(Serb-British),37.91,26.08,14.08,7.04,10.78,1.31,1.42,0. 11,0,0.85,0.42,0,0

I don’t really want to be in any of these lists but if I am use this data please as it’s the one I use for all gedmatch/g25 stuff and more accurate.

[Ayetooey]

I can see why "jamesbond" is often pulled away from the UK in calculators, higher Baltic than average and a bit more West Asian than what is usual. Now some Alsatian could do that, unlikely he has 0% East med in the meantime then. It can be close to zero in Uk, but that would be rare in West Germany/East France.

On g25 jamesbond has the highest steppe I’ve ever seen, so I think his 0% east med is real. Some of the Irish averages have as low as 0.90% and jamesbond is mainly Irish so 0% isn’t inconceivable since there’s always a range of a few percent either side for all the core components.

[Petalpusher]

On g25 jamesbond has the highest steppe I’ve ever seen, so I think his 0% east med is real. Some of the Irish averages have as low as 0.90% and jamesbond is mainly Irish so 0% isn’t inconceivable since there’s always a range of a few percent either side for all the core components.

He is supposedly 1/4 Alsatian but who knows really.

[Jana]

Aye(Serb-British),37.91,26.08,14.08,7.04,10.78,1.31,1.42,0. 11,0,0.85,0.42,0,0

I don’t really want to be in any of these lists but if I am use this data please as it’s the one I use for all gedmatch/g25 stuff and more accurate.

Done.

[Jana]

asuvis(Georgian-Rusyn-Greek),18.24,32.12,7.45,22.07,13.02,1.29,2.06,0.19 ,1.53,1.56,0,0.43,0


Added.

[Jana]

replacing Stears and mine data with our merged files:


Stears(Hungarian),28.18,31.44,12.48,11.01,10.49,0. 86,2.15,0.23,2.03,0.67,0,0.46,0
Stearsolina(Croat),29.57,32.58,15.82,10.78,9.72,0, 0,0.59,0.93,0,0,0,0

[Jana]

Thank god, I'm not closest to Incel anymore :thumbsup:

Distance to: Stearsolina(Croat)

3.69243822 Hrvoje(Croat-Slovene)
3.79425882 Stearsolina_Mom(Croat_½_German-Serb-Greek)
3.94730288 Stearsolina_Dad(Croat)
4.40567815 Tschaikisten(Serb)
4.67194820 Devil's_advocate(Serb)
4.73236727 Stears(Hungarian)
5.33911041 Nurzat(Romanian-Rusyn)
5.58129017 Viers(Hungarian)
5.93529275 Ph2ter_wife(Croat)
6.11788362 Incelslayer(Romanian)
6.11931369 Bessarion(Croat)
6.19609554 Blanka_husband(Hungarian)
6.22110119 Aleksandar(Serb_¼_Hungarian)
6.26459895 ph2ter_son(Croat)
6.51175092 someonenotyou(Hungarian)
6.52674498 Ion_Basescul_dad(Moldovan)
6.66243199 ph2ter_father(Croat)
6.66337752 Ford(Serb)
6.71076002 joannadi38(Greek-East_Slav)
6.92553969 superjelly40(Moldovan)
6.98140387 Videx(Hungarian)
7.02635040 Benyzero(Hungarian)
7.19671453 Vlatko_vukovic(Bosniak)
7.29647860 Kökény_father(Hungarian)
7.32045764 Ion_Basescul(Moldovan)

Distance to: Stears(Hungarian)

4.33640404 Hrvoje(Croat-Slovene)
4.40500851 Stearsolina_Mom(Croat_½_German-Serb-Greek)
4.73236727 Stearsolina(Croat)
4.81417698 Tschaikisten(Serb)
5.14126444 Aleksandar(Serb_¼_Hungarian)
5.15599651 Ion_Basescul_dad(Moldovan)
5.23035372 joannadi38(Greek-East_Slav)
5.34098306 Stearsolina_Dad(Croat)
5.36630227 Nurzat(Romanian-Rusyn)
5.68648398 Bessarion(Croat)
5.99689920 Voidspawn_dad(Romanian)
6.04425347 Devil's_advocate(Serb)
6.08843987 Viers(Hungarian)
6.38524862 Ph2ter_wife(Croat)
6.44718543 Ion_Basescul(Moldovan)
6.47069548 Kökény_Mom(Hungarian)
6.75274018 ph2ter_son(Croat)
6.98481209 wd1089(Romanian)
7.11063288 Videx(Hungarian)
7.15827493 ph2ter_father(Croat)
7.21022885 superjelly40(Moldovan)
7.28346758 Chris(Hungarian)
7.36502546 Vlatko_vukovic(Bosniak)
7.37145169 Ford(Serb)
7.46262688 Mr.G_father(Hungarian)

we're both closest to Hrvoje. And we are pretty similar genetically, Stears and me :)

[Leto]

Tschaikisten is Northern as a mofo, very Nordo-Slavic for the region. Prolly 2/3 "Slavic" whatever reference is used for it.

[Jana]

Tschaikisten is Northern as a mofo, very Nordo-Slavic for the region. Prolly 2/3 "Slavic" whatever reference is used for it.

Him and Devil's Advocate and closer to Croat than Serb averages. And both are probably part Germanic.

[Leto]

Him and Devil's Advocate and closer to Croat than Serb averages. And both are probably part Germanic.
Ford is pretty Northern too (32% B, 25% NA or so).

[Jana]

Ford is pretty Northern too (32% B, 25% NA or so).

Yeah, wanted to mention him as well. Their NA isn't that high but iirc Tschaiksten/Devil's Advocate scored lot of western-central Europe on FTDNA (either one or them or both)

[Leto]

Yeah, wanted to mention him as well. Their NA isn't that high but iirc Tschaiksten/Devil's Advocate scored lot of western-central Europe on FTDNA (either one or them or both)
Does anyone know what Bjeloushka/Ringelnatter scores? You might remember that guy. He was elitist and oddly enough got naturalized as a Russian citizen. Would be less surprising if he was a Serb, not a Croat.

[Leto]

Noraktar(Turk),14.61,10.83,15.75,21.92,25.29,4.17, 1.56,0.45,3.24,1.74,0.34,0,0.1

[Jana]

Does anyone know what Bjeloushka/Ringelnatter scores? You might remember that guy. He was elitist and oddly enough got naturalized as a Russian citizen. Would be less surprising if he was a Serb, not a Croat.

Yes, I remember him. Only tested his ydna (R1b-U106), I think. His father was Austrian from Klangenfurt.




Noraktar(Turk),14.61,10.83,15.75,21.92,25.29,4.17, 1.56,0.45,3.24,1.74,0.34,0,0.1


Added.

[paradox]

Distanceto: paradox(Greek)
3.79527338 Coolguy(Greek)
4.33638098 Pan(Greek)
5.63238848 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
5.64496236 Xripkan(Greek)
5.79250378 Freeroostah(Greek)
6.18879633 peloponnesian(Greek)
6.48148131 Dorian(Greek)
7.19960416 Pagane_Mom(Bulgarian)
7.21826156 Dijana(Macedonian)
7.30974692 Vale(Macedonian)
7.40177681 *****(Macedonian)
7.83047891 Thrax(Greek)
8.07431112 Karakartal(Turk)
8.45408185 Chris_grandpa(Greek)
8.56515032 Sofia(Bulgarian)
8.58756659 Catgeorge(Greek)
8.65281457 HellLander87(Greek)
8.67883057 Kleenex(Greek)
8.68682335 Vasil(Macedonian)
8.74420951 DRUM(Albanian)
8.78883951 Thracian(Turk)
9.03552987 ovidiu(Romanian)
9.26133900 Chrisbab_dad(Romanian)
9.32557773 Deniz(Turk)
9.35515900 Pagane_Brother(Bulgarian)
______________________

My father

Distanceto:Father(Greek)
2.60798773 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
3.65427147 Vojnik(Macedonian)
3.79180696 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
4.56218150 bained(Bulgarian)
4.62281300 Light(Romanian)
4.63817852 ovidiu(Romanian)
4.76825964 Andre(Romanian)
5.37598363 Ogi(Montenegrin)
5.58160371 Fellow(Romanian)
5.59811575 Karol_friend(Serb-Romanian)
5.76516262 Chrisbab(Romanian)
5.89904230 Emziepiex3(Serb)
5.90059319 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
5.91089672 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
5.92326768 FellowGF(Romanian)
6.00950081 Cybele_dad(Romanian)
6.02258250 Fieraru(Romanian)
6.29084255 TieRed_grandma(Serb)
6.39856234 mrblazhev(Bulgarian)
6.44697604 CătălinCristian(Romanian)
6.55999238 Bojan(Macedonian)
6.59000000 Sofia(Bulgarian)
6.62302046 Cybele(Romanian)
6.73730658 Maestro(Hungarian-Albanian)
6.80407966 Vale(Macedonian)

[Leto]

Avicii86(Italian-Peruvian),18.44,3.65,19.28,8.50,15.34,3.05,0,0.45, 0,27.92,0,0,3.37



Drusilla(French),46,19.65,16.16,3.39,11.23,1.12,0, 0,0.28,0,2.15,0,0



arkas(Greek-Malayali),8.79,4.25,15.14,10.45,17.51,1.56,36.51,4 .68,0.74,0,0.21,0,0.13

[Jana]

Avicii86(Italian-Peruvian),18.44,3.65,19.28,8.50,15.34,3.05,0,0.45, 0,27.92,0,0,3.37



Drusilla(French),46,19.65,16.16,3.39,11.23,1.12,0, 0,0.28,0,2.15,0,0



arkas(Greek-Malayali),8.79,4.25,15.14,10.45,17.51,1.56,36.51,4 .68,0.74,0,0.21,0,0.13


^^^^

RIP Drusilla :( :( :(

[Leto]

^^^^

RIP Drusilla :( :( :(
Wait, is she dead? I don't know anything about that user.

[Luke35]

^^^^

RIP Drusilla :( :( :(

I only had a few interactions with her, but she was so kind and polite and she made such a good impression on me that I never forgot about her.

[Jana]

Wait, is she dead? I don't know anything about that user.

She passed away from cancer, I think she was younger than me. Maintenance was her boyfriend.

[Leto]

Finally we have Argentano's results! He is fully Southern Italian by ancestry but he and his parents were born in Argentina, so that label should be there IMO


Argentano(Italian_Argentine),19.27,7.31,23.4,11.83 ,30.21,6.72,0,0.55,0,0,0.57,0.13,0




mazikeen(Spanish),42.69,9.67,29.9,1.58,9.75,2.42,0 .28,0,0.47,1.47,0.81,0.97,0

[Leto]

Hamlet(Jew),16.98,8.64,20.01,10.06,33.95,5,0.17,0. 42,1.32,0,1.18,2.05,0.21



Inquizzitor(American),42.71,18.64,14.21,10.68,6.80 ,2.83,0.19,0,0,1.32,0.45,0.85,1.32

His ancestry

Mom's side: Vastly English & Irish, smaller amounts Dutch, German, Scottish, extremely distant French, Swedish

Dad's side: His mother is half Orcadian Scottish, 1/4 Irish or Northern Irish and 1/4 Unknown (but we assume also British isles), and his father is half French (middle of France) and half East Sicilian.
Target: Inquizzitor(American)
Distance: 1.6587% / 1.65866071 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.2 Irish_Ulster
38.1 French_Northeast
8.7 Georgian
3.4 Saudi
1.1 Bantu_N.E.
0.5 Maasai

[Jana]

Added.

[oszkar07]

She passed away from cancer, I think she was younger than me. Maintenance was her boyfriend.

God Bless her soul, RIP

[oszkar07]

double

[Leto]

tekken999(Puerto_Rican),29.51,7.45,22.68,5.02,7.77 ,2.62,0.54,0,0.35,13.40,0.22,1.74,8.70
Daven(Dominican),24.80,4.31,17.70,2.80,9.95,3.99,0 .63,0,0,8.85,0.50,1.83,24.64

[Leto]

Neon_Knight(British),46.85,25.14,16.78,7.05,1.17,0 ,1.28,0,0,1.05,0.55,0.14,0

[J. Ketch]

Neon_Knight(British),46.85,25.14,16.78,7.05,1.17,0 ,1.28,0,0,1.05,0.55,0.14,0

Already in there.

[Luke35]

A few more models utilizing Hungarians for my Hungarian side:

Target: Mr.G
Distance: 1.5076% / 1.50755536
51.5 Mr.G_mom
28.0 Kökény(Hungarian)
20.5 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)


Target: Mr.G
Distance: 1.4067% / 1.40665517
53.8 Mr.G_mom
15.0 Kökény_Mom(Hungarian)
11.9 Dunai(Hungarian)
11.1 Kökény(Hungarian)
8.2 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)


Target: Mr.G
Distance: 2.0887% / 2.08869539
53.5 Mr.G_mom
27.6 Kökény_father(Hungarian)
18.9 GergőMarosvári_grandma(Hungarian)

[RyoHazuki]

2Way feature:

Distance to: RyoHazuki(English-French_American)
2.42542393 49.60% NielsW(Dutch-German) + 50.40% dududud_father(French)
2.44113617 31.60% Graham's_Dad(Scot) + 68.40% barbatus(Afrikaner)
2.44986837 26.40% NielsW(Dutch-German) + 73.60% barbatus(Afrikaner)
2.56766631 59.80% de_Burgh_II(American) + 40.20% Graham's_Dad(Scot)
2.60291281 79.20% Graham(Scot) + 20.80% Madmax(Spaniard-Portuguese)
2.61276669 36.80% Graham's_Dad(Scot) + 63.20% Skeleton_father(American)
2.61328030 45.40% Inf99Dad(American) + 54.60% Graham's_Dad(Scot)
2.62067679 81.20% ArmatusGirlfriend(German) + 18.80% QR(Spaniard)
2.62593949 71.00% Graham's_Dad(Scot) + 29.00% Armatus(German)
2.68192051 79.20% Graham(Scot) + 20.80% Atlantic_islander(Portuguese)
2.68808919 26.80% Graham(Scot) + 73.20% barbatus(Afrikaner)
2.70898833 24.40% Spaniard2.0(Spaniard) + 75.60% Graham(Scot)
2.71204985 17.40% gixajo_father_cousin(Spaniard) + 82.60% ArmatusGirlfriend(German)
2.71263227 80.40% Graham(Scot) + 19.60% Tagus(Portuguese)
2.76063469 77.60% Graham(Scot) + 22.40% Spaniard2.0_Dad(Spaniard)
2.76133753 69.40% Graham's_Dad(Scot) + 30.60% Inquizzitor(American)
2.76735967 83.00% Graham(Scot) + 17.00% rafael_dad(Spaniard-Italian)
2.77046479 78.60% Graham(Scot) + 21.40% Luso(Portuguese)
2.79242517 83.80% ArmatusGirlfriend(German) + 16.20% polaciones(Spaniard)
2.79826949 34.60% Nyx(French_Canadian) + 65.40% Graham's_Dad(Scot)
2.80188685 28.40% Firemonkey(British) + 71.60% barbatus(Afrikaner)
2.80565986 79.40% Graham(Scot) + 20.60% Luso_MOM(Portuguese)
2.81448876 79.60% Graham(Scot) + 20.40% Suarsenaguer(Spaniard)
2.81987533 78.40% Graham(Scot) + 21.60% Gabbobler(Portuguese)
2.83705370 18.40% FilhoV(Portuguese) + 81.60% Graham(Scot)

[Leto]

Gooding's full results


Gooding(American),47.99,24.33,14.81,4.99,4.09,0.94 ,0.55,0,0,1,0.8,0,0.52


Someone should check again how many members on the list still have incomplete results.

[Rafael Passoni]

I have FTDNA RAW data from my mom, do I need to post her new K13? Are results the same?

[Leto]

I have FTDNA RAW data from my mom, do I need to post her new K13? Are results the same?
Yes, it's the same. IMO your family's description should be shortened to simply Brazilian.

[Rafael Passoni]

I though they analise other SNPS, ha ha. At least now I have my MT Haplogroup. :p

[vlrs-2]

Target: V
Distance: 0.5942% / 0.59418075 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.4 mrblazhev(Bulgarian)
23.6 Andre(Romanian)
6.4 Sikeliot(Italian-Pole-Portuguese)
3.5 Kalkin(Salvadorean-Pole)
3.1 Gobius(Romanian)

Target: V
Distance: 1.4409% / 1.44086406 | ADC: 2x RC
56.2 mrblazhev(Bulgarian)
43.8 Andre(Romanian)

[Jana]

Target: V
Distance: 0.5942% / 0.59418075 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.4 mrblazhev(Bulgarian)
23.6 Andre(Romanian)
6.4 Sikeliot(Italian-Pole-Portuguese)
3.5 Kalkin(Salvadorean-Pole)
3.1 Gobius(Romanian)

Target: V
Distance: 1.4409% / 1.44086406 | ADC: 2x RC
56.2 mrblazhev(Bulgarian)
43.8 Andre(Romanian)

Post your K13 admixture proportions please. We have lack of Bulgarian samples in the list.

[vlrs-2]

Post your K13 admixture proportions please. We have lack of Bulgarian samples in the list.

l can provide number of Nortwestern Bulgarian results:



ME,23.85,26.61,15.86,7.17,20.88,2.71,0,0,0.98,0.88 ,1.06,0,0
G,21.08,29.31,14.65,6.59,23.85,1.89,0.47,0.29,0,0. 75,0.52,0.52,0.06
K,20.27,27.43,16.36,10.99,19.12,1.66,0.09,0,0.36,1 .91,0.19,0,1.61
T,19.77,27.06,16.76,12.67,19.93,1.52,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,1.03,0.00,0.00,0.00



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.35
2 North_Atlantic 23.64
3 East_Med 22.81
4 West_Med 14.61
5 West_Asian 7.51
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Oceanian 1.1
8 Siberian 0.6
9 Amerindian 0.18
10 East_Asian 0.07
11 South_Asian 0.01






Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.45
2 North_Atlantic 21.99
3 East_Med 19.48
4 West_Med 16.27
5 West_Asian 9.2
6 Red_Sea 1.68
7 South_Asian 0.77
8 Northeast_African 0.64
9 Siberian 0.64
10 Oceanian 0.49
11 Amerindian 0.38





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.43
2 East_Med 21.11
3 North_Atlantic 19.15
4 West_Med 18.03
5 West_Asian 9.58
6 Red_Sea 1.97
7 South_Asian 1.3
8 Sub-Saharan 0.55
9 East_Asian 0.46
10 Siberian 0.23
11 Amerindian 0.18





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.11
2 North_Atlantic 21.79
3 East_Med 18.32
4 West_Med 15.4
5 West_Asian 10.66
6 Red_Sea 2.87
7 Amerindian 2.38
8 South_Asian 0.9
9 Oceanian 0.38
10 Sub-Saharan 0.14
11 Siberian 0.03





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.94
2 East_Med 20.7
3 West_Med 19.3
4 North_Atlantic 19.28
5 West_Asian 7.62
6 Red_Sea 2.32
7 Oceanian 0.62
8 Sub-Saharan 0.61
9 Siberian 0.25
10 Northeast_African 0.18
11 Amerindian 0.18





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.47
2 North_Atlantic 22.99
3 East_Med 19.63
4 West_Med 19.16
5 West_Asian 8.98
6 Red_Sea 2.02
7 Amerindian 0.76
8 Siberian 0.67
9 Oceanian 0.34





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.25
2 North_Atlantic 21.3
3 East_Med 19
4 West_Med 18.15
5 West_Asian 9.42
6 Red_Sea 3.05
7 East_Asian 1.33
8 Amerindian 0.95
9 Siberian 0.56






Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.43
2 East_Med 20.17
3 North_Atlantic 19.54
4 West_Med 18.54
5 West_Asian 7.36
6 Red_Sea 2.42
7 East_Asian 1.21
8 Oceanian 0.72
9 Amerindian 0.47
10 Siberian 0.12
11 South_Asian 0.01





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.48
2 Baltic 23.02
3 North_Atlantic 20.03
4 West_Med 14.16
5 West_Asian 12.47
6 Red_Sea 4.64
7 Siberian 1.33
8 Oceanian 0.88





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.67
2 North_Atlantic 23.83
3 West_Med 21.44
4 East_Med 16.4
5 West_Asian 7.31
6 Red_Sea 3.45
7 East_Asian 1.31
8 Oceanian 0.59





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.68
2 North_Atlantic 22.62
3 East_Med 18.32
4 West_Med 16.12
5 West_Asian 10.81
6 Sub-Saharan 1.03
7 Red_Sea 0.9
8 Siberian 0.9
9 East_Asian 0.61





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.37
2 Baltic 25.14
3 East_Med 18.07
4 West_Med 17.48
5 West_Asian 9.61
6 Red_Sea 1.82
7 Siberian 1.14
8 East_Asian 0.23
9 Oceanian 0.12
10 Amerindian 0.01





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.76
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 West_Med 18.24
4 East_Med 17.47
5 West_Asian 7.01
6 Red_Sea 1.53
7 East_Asian 1.33
8 Oceanian 0.96
9 Siberian 0.82
10 Amerindian 0.14





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.26
2 North_Atlantic 20.78
3 East_Med 18.74
4 West_Med 17.57
5 West_Asian 11.89
6 Red_Sea 2.64
7 South_Asian






Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.91
2 North_Atlantic 20.51
3 West_Med 17.82
4 East_Med 17.23
5 West_Asian 11.04
6 Red_Sea 2.34
7 Amerindian 0.54
8 Siberian 0.42
9 Sub-Saharan 0.2





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.84
2 North_Atlantic 23.81
3 West_Med 17.92
4 East_Med 17.62
5 West_Asian 11.88
6 Siberian 0.99
7 South_Asian 0.77
8 Oceanian 0.69
9 Red_Sea 0.47





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.33
2 North_Atlantic 24.91
3 East_Med 17.77
4 West_Med 16.56
5 West_Asian 6.75
6 Red_Sea 4.54
7 Siberian 1.23
8 Amerindian 0.59
9 South_Asian 0.55
10 East_Asian 0.53
11 Northeast_African 0.25




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.75
2 North_Atlantic 21.36
3 West_Med 19.61
4 East_Med 18.83
5 West_Asian 13.11
6 Siberian 1.85
7 East_Asian 1.02
8 Red_Sea 0.77
9 Amerindian 0.71





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.72
2 West_Med 19.3
3 East_Med 19.14
4 North_Atlantic 18.66
5 West_Asian 10.32
6 Red_Sea 3.22
7 South_Asian 1.67
8 Siberian 1.06
9 Amerindian 0.79
10 Oceanian 0.08
11 East_Asian 0.05





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.87
2 North_Atlantic 22.95
3 West_Med 20.21
4 East_Med 19.65
5 West_Asian 7.8
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 East_Asian 1.46
8 Oceanian 0.74
9 Siberian 0.65
10 Amerindian 0.58




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.96
2 Baltic 19.79
3 East_Med 17.23
4 West_Med 16.45
5 West_Asian 11.04
6 Red_Sea 3.92
7 South_Asian 1.21
8 Amerindian 0.84
9 Siberian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.51
11 Northeast_African 0.32
12 Oceanian 0.13




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.08
2 East_Med 22.35
3 Baltic 20.91
4 West_Med 18.56
5 West_Asian 10.34
6 Red_Sea 3.45
7 Amerindian 0.81
8 East_Asian 0.51




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.65
2 North_Atlantic 20.59
3 East_Med 18.06
4 West_Asian 16
5 West_Med 15.96
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Siberian 1.41
8 Oceanian 0.48
9 Amerindian 0.19
10 South_Asian 0.15




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.73
2 North_Atlantic 19.81
3 West_Med 18
4 East_Med 16.46
5 West_Asian 13.08
6 Red_Sea 2.19
7 Siberian 1.07
8 East_Asian 0.71
9 Oceanian 0.5
10 Amerindian 0.45





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.75
2 Baltic 22.58
3 East_Med 20.77
4 West_Med 14.58
5 West_Asian 12.68
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 South_Asian 1.32
8 Siberian 0.67
9 Northeast_African 0.44
10 Oceanian 0.36
11 Red_Sea 0.22

[Jana]

l can provide number of Nortwestern Bulgarian results:



ME,23.85,26.61,15.86,7.17,20.88,2.71,0,0,0.98,0.88 ,1.06,0,0
G,21.08,29.31,14.65,6.59,23.85,1.89,0.47,0.29,0,0. 75,0.52,0.52,0.06
K,20.27,27.43,16.36,10.99,19.12,1.66,0.09,0,0.36,1 .91,0.19,0,1.61
T,19.77,27.06,16.76,12.67,19.93,1.52,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,1.03,0.00,0.00,0.00



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.35
2 North_Atlantic 23.64
3 East_Med 22.81
4 West_Med 14.61
5 West_Asian 7.51
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Oceanian 1.1
8 Siberian 0.6
9 Amerindian 0.18
10 East_Asian 0.07
11 South_Asian 0.01






Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.45
2 North_Atlantic 21.99
3 East_Med 19.48
4 West_Med 16.27
5 West_Asian 9.2
6 Red_Sea 1.68
7 South_Asian 0.77
8 Northeast_African 0.64
9 Siberian 0.64
10 Oceanian 0.49
11 Amerindian 0.38





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.43
2 East_Med 21.11
3 North_Atlantic 19.15
4 West_Med 18.03
5 West_Asian 9.58
6 Red_Sea 1.97
7 South_Asian 1.3
8 Sub-Saharan 0.55
9 East_Asian 0.46
10 Siberian 0.23
11 Amerindian 0.18





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.11
2 North_Atlantic 21.79
3 East_Med 18.32
4 West_Med 15.4
5 West_Asian 10.66
6 Red_Sea 2.87
7 Amerindian 2.38
8 South_Asian 0.9
9 Oceanian 0.38
10 Sub-Saharan 0.14
11 Siberian 0.03





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.94
2 East_Med 20.7
3 West_Med 19.3
4 North_Atlantic 19.28
5 West_Asian 7.62
6 Red_Sea 2.32
7 Oceanian 0.62
8 Sub-Saharan 0.61
9 Siberian 0.25
10 Northeast_African 0.18
11 Amerindian 0.18





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.47
2 North_Atlantic 22.99
3 East_Med 19.63
4 West_Med 19.16
5 West_Asian 8.98
6 Red_Sea 2.02
7 Amerindian 0.76
8 Siberian 0.67
9 Oceanian 0.34





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.25
2 North_Atlantic 21.3
3 East_Med 19
4 West_Med 18.15
5 West_Asian 9.42
6 Red_Sea 3.05
7 East_Asian 1.33
8 Amerindian 0.95
9 Siberian 0.56






Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.43
2 East_Med 20.17
3 North_Atlantic 19.54
4 West_Med 18.54
5 West_Asian 7.36
6 Red_Sea 2.42
7 East_Asian 1.21
8 Oceanian 0.72
9 Amerindian 0.47
10 Siberian 0.12
11 South_Asian 0.01





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.48
2 Baltic 23.02
3 North_Atlantic 20.03
4 West_Med 14.16
5 West_Asian 12.47
6 Red_Sea 4.64
7 Siberian 1.33
8 Oceanian 0.88





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.67
2 North_Atlantic 23.83
3 West_Med 21.44
4 East_Med 16.4
5 West_Asian 7.31
6 Red_Sea 3.45
7 East_Asian 1.31
8 Oceanian 0.59





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.68
2 North_Atlantic 22.62
3 East_Med 18.32
4 West_Med 16.12
5 West_Asian 10.81
6 Sub-Saharan 1.03
7 Red_Sea 0.9
8 Siberian 0.9
9 East_Asian 0.61





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.37
2 Baltic 25.14
3 East_Med 18.07
4 West_Med 17.48
5 West_Asian 9.61
6 Red_Sea 1.82
7 Siberian 1.14
8 East_Asian 0.23
9 Oceanian 0.12
10 Amerindian 0.01





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.76
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 West_Med 18.24
4 East_Med 17.47
5 West_Asian 7.01
6 Red_Sea 1.53
7 East_Asian 1.33
8 Oceanian 0.96
9 Siberian 0.82
10 Amerindian 0.14





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.26
2 North_Atlantic 20.78
3 East_Med 18.74
4 West_Med 17.57
5 West_Asian 11.89
6 Red_Sea 2.64
7 South_Asian






Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.91
2 North_Atlantic 20.51
3 West_Med 17.82
4 East_Med 17.23
5 West_Asian 11.04
6 Red_Sea 2.34
7 Amerindian 0.54
8 Siberian 0.42
9 Sub-Saharan 0.2





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.84
2 North_Atlantic 23.81
3 West_Med 17.92
4 East_Med 17.62
5 West_Asian 11.88
6 Siberian 0.99
7 South_Asian 0.77
8 Oceanian 0.69
9 Red_Sea 0.47





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.33
2 North_Atlantic 24.91
3 East_Med 17.77
4 West_Med 16.56
5 West_Asian 6.75
6 Red_Sea 4.54
7 Siberian 1.23
8 Amerindian 0.59
9 South_Asian 0.55
10 East_Asian 0.53
11 Northeast_African 0.25




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.75
2 North_Atlantic 21.36
3 West_Med 19.61
4 East_Med 18.83
5 West_Asian 13.11
6 Siberian 1.85
7 East_Asian 1.02
8 Red_Sea 0.77
9 Amerindian 0.71





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.72
2 West_Med 19.3
3 East_Med 19.14
4 North_Atlantic 18.66
5 West_Asian 10.32
6 Red_Sea 3.22
7 South_Asian 1.67
8 Siberian 1.06
9 Amerindian 0.79
10 Oceanian 0.08
11 East_Asian 0.05





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.87
2 North_Atlantic 22.95
3 West_Med 20.21
4 East_Med 19.65
5 West_Asian 7.8
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 East_Asian 1.46
8 Oceanian 0.74
9 Siberian 0.65
10 Amerindian 0.58




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.96
2 Baltic 19.79
3 East_Med 17.23
4 West_Med 16.45
5 West_Asian 11.04
6 Red_Sea 3.92
7 South_Asian 1.21
8 Amerindian 0.84
9 Siberian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.51
11 Northeast_African 0.32
12 Oceanian 0.13




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.08
2 East_Med 22.35
3 Baltic 20.91
4 West_Med 18.56
5 West_Asian 10.34
6 Red_Sea 3.45
7 Amerindian 0.81
8 East_Asian 0.51




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.65
2 North_Atlantic 20.59
3 East_Med 18.06
4 West_Asian 16
5 West_Med 15.96
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Siberian 1.41
8 Oceanian 0.48
9 Amerindian 0.19
10 South_Asian 0.15




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.73
2 North_Atlantic 19.81
3 West_Med 18
4 East_Med 16.46
5 West_Asian 13.08
6 Red_Sea 2.19
7 Siberian 1.07
8 East_Asian 0.71
9 Oceanian 0.5
10 Amerindian 0.45





Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.75
2 Baltic 22.58
3 East_Med 20.77
4 West_Med 14.58
5 West_Asian 12.68
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 South_Asian 1.32
8 Siberian 0.67
9 Northeast_African 0.44
10 Oceanian 0.36
11 Red_Sea 0.22

wow, thanks for sharing! Are these your family/relatives or friends?
Btw, you are half Romanian? Welcome to the forum.

[vlrs-2]

wow, thanks for sharing! Are these your family/relatives or friends?
Btw, you are half Romanian? Welcome to the forum.

Thank you! The 2nd and 3rd are relatives and 4th is a friend while the other that are pasted directly from Gedmatch are completely random people from the Northwest, mainly the cities Vidin, Montana and Vratsa. I'm Vlach from the father's side, although I'm referring to the Vlachs as Romanians because the real Vlachs are actually those in Macedonia/Albania/Greece.

[Jana]

Thank you! The 2nd and 3rd are relatives and 4th is a friend while the other that are pasted directly from Gedmatch are completely random people from the Northwest, mainly the cities Vidin, Montana and Vratsa. I'm Vlach from the father's side, although I'm referring to the Vlachs as Romanians because the real Vlachs are actually those in Macedonia/Albania/Greece.

That's great, these samples will be very useful to use for Bulgarian regional averages on Vahaduo :)
I will add you and your relatives/friend to the list!

[Dirdepo]

That's great, these samples will be very useful to use for Bulgarian regional averages on Vahaduo :)
I will add you and your relatives/friend to the list!

Do you have time to make average for those 25 samples? And then post the single closest populations? Will be nice to see that

[vlrs-2]

That's great, these samples will be very useful to use for Bulgarian regional averages on Vahaduo :)
I will add you and your relatives/friend to the list!

Great, btw if there is some thread for with a visual plot, please add them there as well.


Just remember I also had these but not sure from which region they are:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.03
2 North_Atlantic 22.04
3 East_Med 18.88
4 West_Med 15.77
5 West_Asian 9.68
6 Red_Sea 2.37
7 East_Asian 1.06
8 Siberian 0.88
9 Amerindian 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.44
11 Oceanian 0.16



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.18
2 North_Atlantic 22
3 East_Med 20.72
4 West_Med 18.3
5 West_Asian 8.47
6 Red_Sea 2.61
7 Oceanian 1.12
8 South_Asian 0.93
9 Siberian 0.53
10 Northeast_African 0.14




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.34
2 East_Med 22.36
3 North_Atlantic 17.93
4 West_Med 17.02
5 West_Asian 11.07
6 Red_Sea 3.04
7 East_Asian 0.95
8 Oceanian 0.91
9 Amerindian 0.38



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.77
2 East_Med 22.25
3 North_Atlantic 19.31
4 West_Med 15.85
5 West_Asian 12.9
6 Red_Sea 1.65
7 East_Asian 1.56
8 Amerindian 0.98
9 South_Asian 0.49
10 Oceanian 0.25

[Leto]

That's great, these samples will be very useful to use for Bulgarian regional averages on Vahaduo :)
I will add you and your relatives/friend to the list!
Bulgarians are already well represented. And to be honest I object to adding distant relatives or friends. For example I'm not asking to add my sister's husband.

[vlrs-2]

these samples will be very useful to use for Bulgarian regional averages on Vahaduo :)
I will add you and your relatives/friend to the list!

Please check in case some of these are already used on Vahaduo. If I have these results probably other people have them as well.

[bained]

Oh man, somebody cloned me. I cant recognize myself.


Distance to: BaiNed
0.07874008 bained(Bulgarian)
3.72918222 Dukagjini(Albanian)
4.01802190 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
4.56308010 paradox_dad(Greek)
4.59329947 ovidiu(Romanian)
4.73443766 Vasil(Macedonian)
5.25292300 Vojnik(Macedonian)
5.32167267 IceT(Albanian)
5.40100916 *****(Macedonian)
5.41975092 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
5.57007181 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
5.58090494 JohnnyP(Macedonian-Serb-Croat)
5.84602429 Vale(Macedonian)
5.94264251 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
5.98006689 Chrisbab(Romanian)
6.36999215 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
6.55062592 Ogi(Montenegrin)
6.69961193 Bojan(Macedonian)
6.72050593 Fellow(Romanian)
6.88702403 Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
7.00661116 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
7.06250664 Sofia(Bulgarian)
7.33373711 Dijana(Macedonian)
7.42746255 Nilotik(Albanian)
7.48663476 Light(Romanian)

Target: BaiNed
Distance: 0.9218% / 0.92180207 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.1 Dukagjini(Albanian)
26.3 Chrisbab(Romanian)
16.3 Fellow(Romanian)
3.3 ovidiu(Romanian)

Target: BaiNed
Distance: 0.6534% / 0.65338401 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.7 Dukagjini(Albanian)
25.2 Chrisbab(Romanian)
20.7 Fellow(Romanian)
12.6 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
2.9 7eleven(German-Jew)
2.9 Vasil(Macedonian)

[vbnetkhio]

l can provide number of Nortwestern Bulgarian results:



ME,23.85,26.61,15.86,7.17,20.88,2.71,0,0,0.98,0.88 ,1.06,0,0
G,21.08,29.31,14.65,6.59,23.85,1.89,0.47,0.29,0,0. 75,0.52,0.52,0.06
K,20.27,27.43,16.36,10.99,19.12,1.66,0.09,0,0.36,1 .91,0.19,0,1.61
T,19.77,27.06,16.76,12.67,19.93,1.52,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,1.03,0.00,0.00,0.00

...


nice collection!
all these probably have no grandparents from other parts of Bulgaria?
also where are the borders of Northwest Bulgaria in your opinion?

the current averages were made according to administrative regions, check here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?333385-Bulgarian-GEDmatch-Results&p=6909921&viewfull=1#post6909921

btw, it's much easier to make an average or add them to a graph if you post the unsorted results (with all 13 values, before running the oracle). this way it's also possible that some smaller components were cut off and the results won't add up to 100%

[Jana]

Bulgarians are already well represented. And to be honest I object to adding distant relatives or friends. For example I'm not asking to add my sister's husband.

Why not? These are people who we know are real. Feel free to post your sis husband.

[Jana]

Do you have time to make average for those 25 samples? And then post the single closest populations? Will be nice to see that

I'm currently busy for that, but if somebody could do that'd be great.

[Jana]

Oh man, somebody cloned me. I cant recognize myself.


Distance to: BaiNed
0.07874008 bained(Bulgarian)
3.72918222 Dukagjini(Albanian)
4.01802190 KrashNick_cousin(Albanian)
4.56308010 paradox_dad(Greek)
4.59329947 ovidiu(Romanian)
4.73443766 Vasil(Macedonian)
5.25292300 Vojnik(Macedonian)
5.32167267 IceT(Albanian)
5.40100916 *****(Macedonian)
5.41975092 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
5.57007181 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
5.58090494 JohnnyP(Macedonian-Serb-Croat)
5.84602429 Vale(Macedonian)
5.94264251 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
5.98006689 Chrisbab(Romanian)
6.36999215 Vojnik_dad(Macedonian)
6.55062592 Ogi(Montenegrin)
6.69961193 Bojan(Macedonian)
6.72050593 Fellow(Romanian)
6.88702403 Pjeter_Pan(Albanian)
7.00661116 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
7.06250664 Sofia(Bulgarian)
7.33373711 Dijana(Macedonian)
7.42746255 Nilotik(Albanian)
7.48663476 Light(Romanian)

Target: BaiNed
Distance: 0.9218% / 0.92180207 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.1 Dukagjini(Albanian)
26.3 Chrisbab(Romanian)
16.3 Fellow(Romanian)
3.3 ovidiu(Romanian)

Target: BaiNed
Distance: 0.6534% / 0.65338401 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.7 Dukagjini(Albanian)
25.2 Chrisbab(Romanian)
20.7 Fellow(Romanian)
12.6 Illyrian_warrior(Albanian)
2.9 7eleven(German-Jew)
2.9 Vasil(Macedonian)

could post your full components? Maybe we don't have your full values.

[Leto]

Why not? These are people who we know are real. Feel free to post your sis husband.
All people are real but this thread should be (primarily) for TA members. Not their second cousins or neighbors or anything.

Please make sure to fix Gooding's results.

[Leto]

I'm currently busy for that, but if somebody could do that'd be great.
I'd recommend you to avoid any results Cumansky posts because the guy simply can't be trusted. What he posts is usually fishy to say the least.

[Jana]

All people are real but this thread should be (primarily) for TA members. Not their second cousins or neighbors or anything.

Please make sure to fix Gooding's results.

Yes it is. I have several of my friends in the list and many other members have too. I want most samples possible, not being stupidly nitpicking. It's enough sample has some connection to TA member.


I'd recommend you to avoid any results Cumansky posts because the guy simply can't be trusted. What he posts is usually fishy to say the least.

What is relation of Cumansky with these results?

[Dirdepo]

I'm currently busy for that, but if somebody could do that'd be great.

Too much work for me this week. I seen in GEDmatch some getting in first population Lithuanian/Russian, Bosniak/Serbian, Austrian/East German, and everything in between. Carpathian cluster is widespread.

[Dirdepo]

I'd recommend you to avoid any results Cumansky posts because the guy simply can't be trusted. What he posts is usually fishy to say the least.

Your a fish. Show me the ones that not trusted lol

[Leto]

Your a fish. Show me the ones that not trusted lol
Just yesterday you said your results were wrong. I went to Anthrogenica and found two posts of yours from 2017 and 2018 with the exact same results. Also you posted supposed Poles with like 12% West Asian and claimed your mother had nibber blood, like 3% even though she had died according to you.

[vlrs-2]

nice collection!
all these probably have no grandparents from other parts of Bulgaria?
also where are the borders of Northwest Bulgaria in your opinion?

the current averages were made according to administrative regions, check here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?333385-Bulgarian-GEDmatch-Results&p=6909921&viewfull=1#post6909921

btw, it's much easier to make an average or add them to a graph if you post the unsorted results (with all 13 values, before running the oracle). this way it's also possible that some smaller components were cut off and the results won't add up to 100%

The result 'T' is 75% from NW BG and 25% from SE BG. The result 'G' is also mixed with Romanians. 'K' is 100% local. Overall, these days is hard to get people who are 100% from 1 region, people move too much these days.

These administrative regions are not very good, the Northwest used to be only Vidin/Montana/Vratsa and on some point it was lumped together with North-Central regions. But for best you should keep that administrative map, otherwise it gets really complicated. The Northwestern region is hard to be defined but for me it is only Vidin/Montana/Vratsa.

Next time will try to paste the values properly.

[Dirdepo]

Just yesterday you said your results were wrong. I went to Anthrogenica and found two posts of yours from 2017 and 2018 with the exact same results. Also you posted supposed Poles with like 12% West Asian and claimed your mother had nibber blood, like 3% even though she had died according to you.

Highlight the ones you don't like, take your time..


A,27.73,37.75,13.05,6.73,9.77,1.25,0.33,0.03,3.07, 0,0.17,0,0.12
B,26.01,37.04,13.02,8.13,11.34,1.37,0.28,0,1.2,0.2 9,0.89,0,0.42
C,28.84,50.91,8.81,1.91,7.17,0,0,0,1.26,0,0,0,1.1
D,26.92,37.54,10.5,9.43,6.57,5.48,0,0,1.55,0,1.17, 0.83,0
E,25.98,49.21,7.39,7.66,2.58,3.08,0.83,0.26,0.42,0 .95,0,1.64,0
F,29.12,39.66,9.49,10.06,9.2,0,0,0.47,0.97,0.4,0,0 .37,0.26
G,29.51,42.74,10.71,6.62,3.08,0,3.32,0,2.03,1.21,0 .48,0,0.31
H,30.98,29.33,17.21,9.69,10.87,0.89,0.08,0,0.44,0. 5,0,0,0
I,33.03,39.48,12.2,2.52,6.08,1.92,2.15,0,1.66,0.12 ,0.85,0,0
J,29.34,47.28,6.6,2.93,10.62,0,2.19,0,0.85,0,0.19, 0,0
K,27.52,45.92,12.49,5.35,3.43,0,0.95,0.82,1.47,1.3 2,0.32,0,0.42
L,26.15,44.76,12.81,5.23,6.22,1.5,0,0,2.38,0,0.8,0 ,0.15
M,26.39,40.17,9.42,8.96,8.21,0.85,4.07,0,0.06,1.14 ,0.4,0,0.33
N,23.13,44.01,11.45,9.66,6.31,1.05,2.65,0,1.07,0,0 .66,0,0
O,29.24,44.89,9.98,3.43,8.55,0.00,0.22,0.54,1.13,1 .70,0.32,0.00,0.00
P,27.49,39.98,12.77,10.99,5.52,0,1.02,0,1.2,0.84,0 .18,0,0
Q,24.29,45.95,10.55,1.73,11.10,0.75,0.00,0.00,1.67 ,0.00,0.07,0.80,3.08
R,25.6,40.09,11.11,14.31,4.46,1.56,0.27,0,0.66,1.1 5,0.32,0.37,0.1
S,29.12,40.37,11.87,8.48,4.46,1.53,2.17,0,0,1.25,0 .58,0.18,0
T,29.26,40.4,11.72,3.43,11.83,0.93,1.29,0,0,0.69,0 .44,0,0
U,34.19,33,16.38,6.1,5.94,0,1.31,0.36,0,1.09,0.52, 1.12,0
V,26.91,42.08,12.93,7.57,8.15,0,0,1.69,0,0,0.48,0, 0.19
W,27.99,36.35,10.87,7.55,13.8,0,0,0,0.92,0.76,1.76 ,0,0
X,30.89,41.39,10.7,5.01,6.38,3.13,0.66,0,0,0.84,1, 0,0
Y,29.55,34.98,14.31,7.68,9.92,0,0.77,1.04,1.19,0.3 5,0.21,0,0

[Leto]

Highlight the ones you don't like, take your time..

I cannot say anything about that particular list because I don't even know what ethnic group they're supposed to belong to? Southern Poles? Southwestern Ukrainians?

[Jana]

Gooding data has been fixed.

[Dirdepo]

I cannot say anything about that particular list because I don't even know what ethnic group they're supposed to belong? Southern Poles? Southwestern Ukrainians?

25 samples all Polish from Podkarpackie

[Jana]

25 samples all Polish from Podkarpackie

That would make a great average for Vahaduo, we lack Polish regions considering how large Poland is. Only Kielce has been added recently which is useful, but just one city.
I will try to make average maybe tonight.

[Leto]

25 samples all Polish from Podkarpackie
Are they all available on Gedmatch? I wouldn't mind having a look at their Dodecad K12b average. But Piotr (Peterski) and Lukasz are not your fans either :lol: And they're full Poles, not khokhols ;)

[Jana]

Bulgarians are already well represented.

This is not true, they have less than 10 samples if I remember correctly, and Bulgarians are 2X more numerous than Croats and about similar to Serbs in population size (bit smaller)

[Dirdepo]

That would make a great average for Vahaduo, we lack Polish regions considering how large Poland is. Only Kielce has been added recently which is useful, but just one city.
I will try to make average maybe tonight.

Thank you, if you find an outlier I can PM you their names as a confirmation. Also I can relook at their matchlist to see if their is some unique pattern in their matches that is different from mine. These are all my own matches.

[Leto]

This is not true, they have less than 10 samples if I remember correctly, and Bulgarians are 2X more numerous than Croats and about similar to Serbs in population size (bit smaller)
I mean Vahaduo. Kaspias made solid Bulgarian averages for Eu K13 and Dod K12b. That guy knows the region very well.

[Dirdepo]

Are they all available on Gedmatch? I wouldn't mind having a look at their Dodecad K12b average. But Piotr (Peterski) and Lukasz are not your fans either :lol: And they're full Poles, not khokhols ;)

Highlight exactly the ones you wanna see Dodecad K12b I will post full results later. I have ancestry from the southern most regions in the empire, I am not worried the fans

[vbnetkhio]

25 samples all Polish from Podkarpackie

they have family trees?

[Leto]

Highlight exactly the ones you wanna see Dodecad K12b I will post full results later. I have ancestry from the southern most regions in the empire, I am not worried the fans
I'd like to see the Subcarpathian average for Dodecad K12b. Of course provided all the 25 samples are legit and not some fucking outliers.

[Dirdepo]

they have family trees?

Some of them

[Jana]

I mean Vahaduo. Kaspias made solid Bulgarian averages for Eu K13 and Dod K12b. That guy knows the region very well.

Sure, I agree, but he could use these new samples to further improve the average, more samples the better.
I tought you meant about the spreadsheet.

Bulgarian samples = 7
Serbs = more than 25
Croats = more than 20

Just a comparison.

[Dirdepo]

I'd like to see the Subcarpathian average for Dodecad K12b. Of course provided all the 25 samples are legit and not some fucking outliers.

Your a fish, don't talk about my Mother. Highlight and then I show it or shutup

[Jana]

Btw, being an outlier doesn't mean somebody isn't fully native to the place. There is a range in every population and that includes outliers especially from isolated villages.

[Leto]

Highlight the ones you don't like, take your time..


A,27.73,37.75,13.05,6.73,9.77,1.25,0.33,0.03,3.07, 0,0.17,0,0.12
B,26.01,37.04,13.02,8.13,11.34,1.37,0.28,0,1.2,0.2 9,0.89,0,0.42
C,28.84,50.91,8.81,1.91,7.17,0,0,0,1.26,0,0,0,1.1
D,26.92,37.54,10.5,9.43,6.57,5.48,0,0,1.55,0,1.17, 0.83,0
E,25.98,49.21,7.39,7.66,2.58,3.08,0.83,0.26,0.42,0 .95,0,1.64,0
F,29.12,39.66,9.49,10.06,9.2,0,0,0.47,0.97,0.4,0,0 .37,0.26
G,29.51,42.74,10.71,6.62,3.08,0,3.32,0,2.03,1.21,0 .48,0,0.31
H,30.98,29.33,17.21,9.69,10.87,0.89,0.08,0,0.44,0. 5,0,0,0
I,33.03,39.48,12.2,2.52,6.08,1.92,2.15,0,1.66,0.12 ,0.85,0,0
J,29.34,47.28,6.6,2.93,10.62,0,2.19,0,0.85,0,0.19, 0,0
K,27.52,45.92,12.49,5.35,3.43,0,0.95,0.82,1.47,1.3 2,0.32,0,0.42
L,26.15,44.76,12.81,5.23,6.22,1.5,0,0,2.38,0,0.8,0 ,0.15
M,26.39,40.17,9.42,8.96,8.21,0.85,4.07,0,0.06,1.14 ,0.4,0,0.33
N,23.13,44.01,11.45,9.66,6.31,1.05,2.65,0,1.07,0,0 .66,0,0
O,29.24,44.89,9.98,3.43,8.55,0.00,0.22,0.54,1.13,1 .70,0.32,0.00,0.00
P,27.49,39.98,12.77,10.99,5.52,0,1.02,0,1.2,0.84,0 .18,0,0
Q,24.29,45.95,10.55,1.73,11.10,0.75,0.00,0.00,1.67 ,0.00,0.07,0.80,3.08
R,25.6,40.09,11.11,14.31,4.46,1.56,0.27,0,0.66,1.1 5,0.32,0.37,0.1
S,29.12,40.37,11.87,8.48,4.46,1.53,2.17,0,0,1.25,0 .58,0.18,0
T,29.26,40.4,11.72,3.43,11.83,0.93,1.29,0,0,0.69,0 .44,0,0
U,34.19,33,16.38,6.1,5.94,0,1.31,0.36,0,1.09,0.52, 1.12,0
V,26.91,42.08,12.93,7.57,8.15,0,0,1.69,0,0,0.48,0, 0.19
W,27.99,36.35,10.87,7.55,13.8,0,0,0,0.92,0.76,1.76 ,0,0
X,30.89,41.39,10.7,5.01,6.38,3.13,0.66,0,0,0.84,1, 0,0
Y,29.55,34.98,14.31,7.68,9.92,0,0.77,1.04,1.19,0.3 5,0.21,0,0
Here you fucking go - this is the average


Polish_Podkarpackie,28.21,41.01,11.53,6.85,7.66,1. 01,0.98,0.21,1.01,0.58,0.47,0.21,0.26

[Dirdepo]

Btw, being an outlier doesn't mean somebody isn't fully native to the place. There is a range in every population and that includes outliers especially from isolated villages, in the mountains.

[Axios]

Distance to: Axios(Moroccan)
5.56568953 nasaz(Algerian)
7.46359163 Nassbean(Moroccan)
8.15879893 Iẓeḍwan-n-Nanna-Tuda(Moroccan)
8.25195734 MsSPF(Algerian)
9.45950316 Ayarezki(Algerian)
9.70726532 Adamm(Moroccan)
10.13983235 walid(Moroccan)
10.54258033 jfgh676(Moroccan)
12.62311768 vali18(Algerian)
12.67412324 marco(Moroccan)
18.53294634 madridi4verrr(Moroccan)
19.10760582 Sp_Loa(Jew)
19.22497594 Elias(Moroccan-Syrian)
19.28668453 LongbowmanPatriarch(Jew)
19.38658815 Sp_Loa_grandma(Jew)
19.62011213 Principe_Azzurro(Italian)
20.12998758 donriccardo(Italian)
20.24927900 LongbowmanMatriarch(Jew)
20.25749491 AtlantoMediterranean(Moroccan-Belgian)
20.37498221 Hamlet(Jew)
20.44783852 Argentano(Italian_Argentine)
21.11262419 Ajeje_Brazorf(Italian)
21.47920157 Longbowman(Jew)
21.83810202 ModernMaskil(Jew)
21.95874541 Übermensch(Italian)


Target: Axios(Moroccan)
Distance: 2.5668% / 2.56675625
46.0 Adamm(Moroccan)
36.8 nasaz(Algerian)
7.5 RyoHazuki(English-French_American)
5.3 Cristina_PSR(Spaniard)
4.1 mashail(Arab)
0.3 Luso(Portuguese)

[Dirdepo]

Here you fucking go - this is the average


Polish_Podkarpackie,28.21,41.01,11.53,6.85,7.66,1. 01,0.98,0.21,1.01,0.58,0.47,0.21,0.26


Nice, now Stearsolina can run all samples single population

[Leto]

Your a fish, don't talk about my Mother. Highlight and then I show it or shutup
You shut up and provide the Dodecad results :D

[vbnetkhio]

That would make a great average for Vahaduo, we lack Polish regions considering how large Poland is. Only Kielce has been added recently which is useful, but just one city.
I will try to make average maybe tonight.

there are 1000s of Poles with gedcoms on gedmatch, you could make nice Polish averages from that. No need to use randomly chosen ones by Dirdepo.

[Dirdepo]

there are 1000s of Poles with gedcoms on gedmatch, you could make nice Polish averages from that. No need to use randomly chosen ones by Dirdepo.

Make your own, this is for my region

[Dirdepo]

You shut up and provide the Dodecad results :D

Later today I will post it

[Dirdepo]

This not even average

107938

[Leto]

there are 1000s of Poles with gedcoms on gedmatch, you could make nice Polish averages from that. No need to use randomly chosen ones by Dirdepo.
The biggest damper here is actually Peterski. The guy stubbornly refuses to contribute to Vahaduo because he has a personal issue with Lukasz. And doesn't give a shit about the common good. As soon as I ask him to share ACADEMIC averages he is like share your kits with me in exchange. Sorry, I'm just sick of that nonsense.

[Jana]

The biggest damper here is actually Peterski. The guy stubbornly refuses to contribute to Vahaduo because he has a personal issue with Lukasz. And doesn't give a shit about the common good. As soon as I ask him to share ACADEMIC averages he is like share your kits with me in exchange. Sorry, I'm just sick of that nonsense.

Fully agree. People should put their personal animosities with other members behind contributing to whole community here.

[vlrs-2]

That's great, these samples will be very useful to use for Bulgarian regional averages on Vahaduo :)
I will add you and your relatives/friend to the list!

From what I was able to understand, some of the provided gedmatch results are being used on Vahaduo so better do not add them there.

[Jana]

there are 1000s of Poles with gedcoms on gedmatch, you could make nice Polish averages from that. No need to use randomly chosen ones by Dirdepo.

Well I don't have any kit numbers. Maybe you or Leto could make if you catch some time.
I'm thinking of making western Polish average from Peterski family members for a start, before we find more samples. There are 6 of them and all are deeply rooted in Greater Poland.

But I have doubts would Lucas accept that.

[Leto]

This not even average

107938
I don't know the reason

It is working with the original spreadsheet

Distance to: Polish_Podkarpackie
2.88412898 Ukrainian_Lviv
3.19651373 South_Polish
3.60245749 Ukrainian
6.25788303 Croatian
6.66314490 Polish
7.61549079 Southwest_Russian
8.22263948 Ukrainian_Belgorod
8.94053690 Russian_Smolensk
9.61534711 Estonian_Polish
9.92208647 Moldavian
10.18779662 Belorussian
10.62702216 Hungarian
12.54032695 Kargopol_Russian
13.17562522 East_German
14.60292779 Southwest_Finnish
14.63002051 Estonian
14.71001020 Austrian
15.24991148 Finnish
15.25554653 Lithuanian
15.26552652 Erzya

Distance to: Polish_Podkarpackie
0.84275550 38.00% Belorussian + 62.00% Croatian
1.01084552 52.40% Lithuanian + 47.60% Serbian
1.09056448 17.80% Spanish_Valencia + 82.20% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.10464458 83.20% Southwest_Russian + 16.80% Spanish_Extremadura
1.10605642 84.00% Southwest_Russian + 16.00% Spanish_Andalucia
1.14996176 21.80% Bulgarian + 78.20% Polish
1.20031643 83.80% Southwest_Russian + 16.20% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
1.20055496 82.40% Southwest_Russian + 17.60% Spanish_Cataluna
1.23051456 17.60% Portuguese + 82.40% Southwest_Russian
1.23163461 18.80% Portuguese + 81.20% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.23684012 83.40% Southwest_Russian + 16.60% Spanish_Valencia
1.24189316 65.40% Russian_Smolensk + 34.60% Serbian
1.29121157 17.60% Spanish_Murcia + 82.40% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.29288033 83.40% Southwest_Russian + 16.60% Spanish_Murcia
1.29810250 59.00% Croatian + 41.00% Russian_Smolensk
1.30180605 60.80% Croatian + 39.20% Estonian_Polish
1.30740162 10.00% Cyprian + 90.00% Polish
1.31480107 83.00% Southwest_Russian + 17.00% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
1.32739204 82.20% Southwest_Russian + 17.80% Spanish_Galicia
1.34121228 71.40% Croatian + 28.60% Lithuanian

Target: Polish_Podkarpackie
Distance: 0.4812% / 0.48117566 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.3 Croatian
36.7 South_Polish
25.0 Southwest_Russian

[Jana]

From what I was able to understand, some of the provided gedmatch results are being used on Vahaduo so better do not add them there.

Your 4 samples have been added to the list :)

[Jana]

I don't know the reason

It is working with the original spreadsheet

Distance to: Polish_Podkarpackie
2.88412898 Ukrainian_Lviv
3.19651373 South_Polish
3.60245749 Ukrainian
6.25788303 Croatian
6.66314490 Polish
7.61549079 Southwest_Russian
8.22263948 Ukrainian_Belgorod
8.94053690 Russian_Smolensk
9.61534711 Estonian_Polish
9.92208647 Moldavian
10.18779662 Belorussian
10.62702216 Hungarian
12.54032695 Kargopol_Russian
13.17562522 East_German
14.60292779 Southwest_Finnish
14.63002051 Estonian
14.71001020 Austrian
15.24991148 Finnish
15.25554653 Lithuanian
15.26552652 Erzya

Distance to: Polish_Podkarpackie
0.84275550 38.00% Belorussian + 62.00% Croatian
1.01084552 52.40% Lithuanian + 47.60% Serbian
1.09056448 17.80% Spanish_Valencia + 82.20% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.10464458 83.20% Southwest_Russian + 16.80% Spanish_Extremadura
1.10605642 84.00% Southwest_Russian + 16.00% Spanish_Andalucia
1.14996176 21.80% Bulgarian + 78.20% Polish
1.20031643 83.80% Southwest_Russian + 16.20% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
1.20055496 82.40% Southwest_Russian + 17.60% Spanish_Cataluna
1.23051456 17.60% Portuguese + 82.40% Southwest_Russian
1.23163461 18.80% Portuguese + 81.20% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.23684012 83.40% Southwest_Russian + 16.60% Spanish_Valencia
1.24189316 65.40% Russian_Smolensk + 34.60% Serbian
1.29121157 17.60% Spanish_Murcia + 82.40% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.29288033 83.40% Southwest_Russian + 16.60% Spanish_Murcia
1.29810250 59.00% Croatian + 41.00% Russian_Smolensk
1.30180605 60.80% Croatian + 39.20% Estonian_Polish
1.30740162 10.00% Cyprian + 90.00% Polish
1.31480107 83.00% Southwest_Russian + 17.00% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
1.32739204 82.20% Southwest_Russian + 17.80% Spanish_Galicia
1.34121228 71.40% Croatian + 28.60% Lithuanian

Target: Polish_Podkarpackie
Distance: 0.4812% / 0.48117566 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.3 Croatian
36.7 South_Polish
25.0 Southwest_Russian

Average looks legit.

[vbnetkhio]

Average looks legit.

come on, he almost added somebody with the surname Turkovic, but the surname was too suspicious to him.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?346779-compare-average-of-users-from-your-ethnicity-to-K13-official-averages&p=7209401&viewfull=1#post7209401

this average might as well be a mix of all ethnicites between Bosnia, Poland and Ukraine.

here is an account with many kits which seem mostly Galician:
PPORTE71@GMAIL.COM

kit "ppw" is part Lithuanian and Slovakian.

these are ancestral surnames for either kit "maw" or "mw" :
anczakowski ( Rymanow, Poland) / Baczynski (Rymanow, Poland) / kazmerski/Kazmierczyk (luzerne county, pa./wasewo, poland) / krill (folusz, poland) / Swiahla/Swallow/Swohla (Galicia-Austria, Ohio, Pennsylvania) / Soltysik ( Rymanow, Poland) / smarsz (wola cieklensa, poland) / smarsh (hudson, pa.) / volodin (ukraine) / wislocki (trzciana, dukla, poland (Galicia Austria)) / wisloski (hudson, pa.)

^all lineages from Galicia/Subcarpathia except one from Ukraine

[Kaspias]

This is not true, they have less than 10 samples if I remember correctly, and Bulgarians are 2X more numerous than Croats and about similar to Serbs in population size (bit smaller)

Northwest region solely has 27 sample sizes in K13 and has 41 sample sizes in K12b. I think some kits he posted are already present in the spreadsheet, too.

Total sample size covering all regions is 125.

[vbnetkhio]

mw:

LV4216874
North_Atlantic 27.15 Pct
Baltic 43.52 Pct
West_Med 10.43 Pct
West_Asian 8.09 Pct
East_Med 5.53 Pct
Red_Sea 2.02 Pct
South_Asian 0.46 Pct
East_Asian 0.42 Pct
Siberian 1.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.07 Pct
Oceanian 0.42 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

maw:
Population
North_Atlantic 29.24 Pct
Baltic 44.94 Pct
West_Med 9.66 Pct
West_Asian 6.62 Pct
East_Med 5.68 Pct
Red_Sea 0.34 Pct
South_Asian 0.89 Pct
East_Asian 1.07 Pct
Siberian 0.22 Pct
Amerindian 0.69 Pct
Oceanian 0.55 Pct
Northeast_African 0.09 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[Dirdepo]

come on, he almost added somebody with the surname Turkovic, but the surname was too suspicious to him.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?346779-compare-average-of-users-from-your-ethnicity-to-K13-official-averages&p=7209401&viewfull=1#post7209401

this average might as well be a mix of all ethnicites between Bosnia, Poland and Ukraine.

here is an account with many kits which seem mostly Galician:
PPORTE71@GMAIL.COM

kit "ppw" is part Lithuanian and Slovakian.

these are ancestral surnames for either kit "maw" or "mw" :
anczakowski ( Rymanow, Poland) / Baczynski (Rymanow, Poland) / kazmerski/Kazmierczyk (luzerne county, pa./wasewo, poland) / krill (folusz, poland) / Swiahla/Swallow/Swohla (Galicia-Austria, Ohio, Pennsylvania) / Soltysik ( Rymanow, Poland) / smarsz (wola cieklensa, poland) / smarsh (hudson, pa.) / volodin (ukraine) / wislocki (trzciana, dukla, poland (Galicia Austria)) / wisloski (hudson, pa.)

^all lineages from Galicia/Subcarpathia except one from Ukraine

Shutup you redneck clown, I was asking nationality of Turkovic. You pussy cannot even answer what nationality your own brother (Bosniak) is, but now you are making all these theories. I said already I will send the full names in PM to Stearsolina. I have nothing to hide, unlike some people ;)

[vbnetkhio]

You pussy cannot even answer what nationality your own brother (Bosniak) is

it was a joke.

[Dirdepo]

it was a joke.

I don't like your jokes, they not funny at all

[Dirdepo]

I don't know the reason

It is working with the original spreadsheet

Distance to: Polish_Podkarpackie
2.88412898 Ukrainian_Lviv
3.19651373 South_Polish
3.60245749 Ukrainian
6.25788303 Croatian
6.66314490 Polish
7.61549079 Southwest_Russian
8.22263948 Ukrainian_Belgorod
8.94053690 Russian_Smolensk
9.61534711 Estonian_Polish
9.92208647 Moldavian
10.18779662 Belorussian
10.62702216 Hungarian
12.54032695 Kargopol_Russian
13.17562522 East_German
14.60292779 Southwest_Finnish
14.63002051 Estonian
14.71001020 Austrian
15.24991148 Finnish
15.25554653 Lithuanian
15.26552652 Erzya

Distance to: Polish_Podkarpackie
0.84275550 38.00% Belorussian + 62.00% Croatian
1.01084552 52.40% Lithuanian + 47.60% Serbian
1.09056448 17.80% Spanish_Valencia + 82.20% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.10464458 83.20% Southwest_Russian + 16.80% Spanish_Extremadura
1.10605642 84.00% Southwest_Russian + 16.00% Spanish_Andalucia
1.14996176 21.80% Bulgarian + 78.20% Polish
1.20031643 83.80% Southwest_Russian + 16.20% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
1.20055496 82.40% Southwest_Russian + 17.60% Spanish_Cataluna
1.23051456 17.60% Portuguese + 82.40% Southwest_Russian
1.23163461 18.80% Portuguese + 81.20% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.23684012 83.40% Southwest_Russian + 16.60% Spanish_Valencia
1.24189316 65.40% Russian_Smolensk + 34.60% Serbian
1.29121157 17.60% Spanish_Murcia + 82.40% Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.29288033 83.40% Southwest_Russian + 16.60% Spanish_Murcia
1.29810250 59.00% Croatian + 41.00% Russian_Smolensk
1.30180605 60.80% Croatian + 39.20% Estonian_Polish
1.30740162 10.00% Cyprian + 90.00% Polish
1.31480107 83.00% Southwest_Russian + 17.00% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
1.32739204 82.20% Southwest_Russian + 17.80% Spanish_Galicia
1.34121228 71.40% Croatian + 28.60% Lithuanian

Target: Polish_Podkarpackie
Distance: 0.4812% / 0.48117566 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.3 Croatian
36.7 South_Polish
25.0 Southwest_Russian

Without the overfitting

Target: Polish_Podkarpackie
Distance: 2.2780% / 2.27802901
49.1 Bosniak_Bosnia
27.8 Kivutkalns222_Latvia_BA_660_ybp
17.1 Portuguese
6.0 Tatar

[Jana]

Northwest region solely has 27 sample sizes in K13 and has 41 sample sizes in K12b. I think some kits he posted are already present in the spreadsheet, too.

Total sample size covering all regions is 125.

I meant TA member samples for this spreadsheet, Bulgarians have lot less than Serbs and Croats. But now I added 4 more thanks to new BG member.

[Jana]

come on, he almost added somebody with the surname Turkovic, but the surname was too suspicious to him.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?346779-compare-average-of-users-from-your-ethnicity-to-K13-official-averages&p=7209401&viewfull=1#post7209401

this average might as well be a mix of all ethnicites between Bosnia, Poland and Ukraine.

here is an account with many kits which seem mostly Galician:
PPORTE71@GMAIL.COM

kit "ppw" is part Lithuanian and Slovakian.

these are ancestral surnames for either kit "maw" or "mw" :
anczakowski ( Rymanow, Poland) / Baczynski (Rymanow, Poland) / kazmerski/Kazmierczyk (luzerne county, pa./wasewo, poland) / krill (folusz, poland) / Swiahla/Swallow/Swohla (Galicia-Austria, Ohio, Pennsylvania) / Soltysik ( Rymanow, Poland) / smarsz (wola cieklensa, poland) / smarsh (hudson, pa.) / volodin (ukraine) / wislocki (trzciana, dukla, poland (Galicia Austria)) / wisloski (hudson, pa.)

^all lineages from Galicia/Subcarpathia except one from Ukraine

Seems Cumansky can't be trusted. :p

[Dirdepo]

Seems Cumansky can't be trusted. :p

Bosniak for life

[Jana]

Updated K13 Vahaduo is broken, something is wrong (variable column) with the source data.

[Jana]

I made average for Greater Poland from Peterski wider family (6 samples)


Polish_Greater_Poland,32.09,42.46,9.72,6.34,5.89,0 .72,1.04,0.07,0.19,0.79,0.07,0.54,0.09

Run with original spreadsheet

Distance to: Polish_Greater_Poland

1.63499496 75.80% Russian_Smolensk + 24.20% West_German
1.73507705 52.20% Hungarian + 47.80% Lithuanian
1.85484762 22.80% Southeast_English + 77.20% Southwest_Russian
1.85510885 24.60% North_Dutch + 75.40% Southwest_Russian
1.86720564 21.60% Southwest_English + 78.40% Southwest_Russian
1.87868455 35.80% Austrian + 64.20% Belorussian
1.90579922 87.40% South_Polish + 12.60% Southwest_Finnish
1.91622024 25.00% Danish + 75.00% Southwest_Russian
1.91676112 22.40% Irish + 77.60% Southwest_Russian
1.92723029 33.80% Austrian + 66.20% Russian_Smolensk
1.95612668 78.40% Southwest_Russian + 21.60% West_Scottish
1.97519483 8.40% North_Swedish + 91.60% South_Polish
1.97910352 24.20% Hungarian + 75.80% Polish
1.98087025 27.20% North_German + 72.80% Southwest_Russian
1.99857425 76.80% Russian_Smolensk + 23.20% South_Dutch
2.01082724 23.00% Orcadian + 77.00% Southwest_Russian
2.05249957 47.20% Austrian + 52.80% Lithuanian
2.05489857 37.40% East_German + 62.60% Russian_Smolensk
2.07073014 23.60% Southeast_English + 76.40% Ukrainian_Belgorod
2.09613030 60.60% Belorussian + 39.40% East_German
2.10573067 6.20% La_Brana-1 + 93.80% South_Polish
2.11022040 94.40% South_Polish + 5.60% Swedish
2.11377537 9.00% Finnish + 91.00% South_Polish
2.12397686 9.40% Estonian + 90.60% South_Polish
2.14221118 25.00% Norwegian + 75.00% Southwest_Russian


Distance to: Polish_Greater_Poland

2.42299402 South_Polish
4.27096008 Polish
5.30617565 Ukrainian
5.67390518 Ukrainian_Lviv
7.68140612 Russian_Smolensk
8.20925697 Southwest_Russian
8.33220259 Belorussian
8.51903164 Estonian_Polish
8.60923922 Ukrainian_Belgorod
10.16412810 Croatian
10.63363061 Southwest_Finnish
11.45072487 Estonian
12.06127688 Finnish
12.07186812 Hungarian
12.50738182 Kargopol_Russian
12.54792812 East_German
13.18262114 Lithuanian
14.16685569 Moldavian
14.33828790 East_Finnish
14.69909521 Austrian
15.47166119 North_Swedish
16.09060906 Erzya
18.36870981 La_Brana-1
20.01794695 Serbian
20.56883565 Swedish

[Jana]

Also, in the updated spreadsheet South_Polish average should be merged with Kielce into Polish_Lesser_Poland, they are from same region (I presume Polish_South samples are from Krakow)

[Dirdepo]

I made average for Greater Poland from Peterski wider family (6 samples)


Polish_Greater_Poland,32.09,42.46,9.72,6.34,5.89,0 .72,1.04,0.07,0.19,0.79,0.07,0.54,0.09

Run with original spreadsheet

Distance to: Polish_Greater_Poland

1.63499496 75.80% Russian_Smolensk + 24.20% West_German
1.73507705 52.20% Hungarian + 47.80% Lithuanian
1.85484762 22.80% Southeast_English + 77.20% Southwest_Russian
1.85510885 24.60% North_Dutch + 75.40% Southwest_Russian
1.86720564 21.60% Southwest_English + 78.40% Southwest_Russian
1.87868455 35.80% Austrian + 64.20% Belorussian
1.90579922 87.40% South_Polish + 12.60% Southwest_Finnish
1.91622024 25.00% Danish + 75.00% Southwest_Russian
1.91676112 22.40% Irish + 77.60% Southwest_Russian
1.92723029 33.80% Austrian + 66.20% Russian_Smolensk
1.95612668 78.40% Southwest_Russian + 21.60% West_Scottish
1.97519483 8.40% North_Swedish + 91.60% South_Polish
1.97910352 24.20% Hungarian + 75.80% Polish
1.98087025 27.20% North_German + 72.80% Southwest_Russian
1.99857425 76.80% Russian_Smolensk + 23.20% South_Dutch
2.01082724 23.00% Orcadian + 77.00% Southwest_Russian
2.05249957 47.20% Austrian + 52.80% Lithuanian
2.05489857 37.40% East_German + 62.60% Russian_Smolensk
2.07073014 23.60% Southeast_English + 76.40% Ukrainian_Belgorod
2.09613030 60.60% Belorussian + 39.40% East_German
2.10573067 6.20% La_Brana-1 + 93.80% South_Polish
2.11022040 94.40% South_Polish + 5.60% Swedish
2.11377537 9.00% Finnish + 91.00% South_Polish
2.12397686 9.40% Estonian + 90.60% South_Polish
2.14221118 25.00% Norwegian + 75.00% Southwest_Russian


Distance to: Polish_Greater_Poland

2.42299402 South_Polish
4.27096008 Polish
5.30617565 Ukrainian
5.67390518 Ukrainian_Lviv
7.68140612 Russian_Smolensk
8.20925697 Southwest_Russian
8.33220259 Belorussian
8.51903164 Estonian_Polish
8.60923922 Ukrainian_Belgorod
10.16412810 Croatian
10.63363061 Southwest_Finnish
11.45072487 Estonian
12.06127688 Finnish
12.07186812 Hungarian
12.50738182 Kargopol_Russian
12.54792812 East_German
13.18262114 Lithuanian
14.16685569 Moldavian
14.33828790 East_Finnish
14.69909521 Austrian
15.47166119 North_Swedish
16.09060906 Erzya
18.36870981 La_Brana-1
20.01794695 Serbian
20.56883565 Swedish

Why you don't trust Ibrahimovic version?

[Dirdepo]

Also, in the updated spreadsheet South_Polish average should be merged with Kielce into Polish_Lesser_Poland, they are from same region (I presume Polish_South samples are from Krakow)

Not really, mine are former East Galicia. Those are different.

[Jana]

Why you don't trust Ibrahimovic version?

Average looks fine, but Vbn showed you used some people who are mixed. Nevertheless, your average looks okay. But we should try to use unmixed samples for them, to be more legit.

[Jana]

Not really, mine are former East Galicia. Those are different.

Ok, thanks for info. Than South_Polish avg should be renamed, current name confuses people.

[Leto]

Also, in the updated spreadsheet South_Polish average should be merged with Kielce into Polish_Lesser_Poland, they are from same region (I presume Polish_South samples are from Krakow)
Kielce is the Holy Cross voivodeship, Lukasz renamed the initial average done by Piotr. South_Polish is old from the original Davidski sheet.

[Jana]

Kielce is the Holy Cross voivodeship, Lukasz renamed the initial average done by Piotr. South_Polish is old from the original Davidski sheet.

Yeah, you're right, but it's area of lesser Polish dialect.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Polska-dialekty_wg_Urba%C5%84czyka.PNG/1024px-Polska-dialekty_wg_Urba%C5%84czyka.PNG

This map looks more organic division than administrative one.
Cumansky say old south Polish samples are from east Galicia, so that should be renamed!

[Dirdepo]

Average looks fine, but Vbn showed you used some people who are mixed. Nevertheless, your average looks okay. But we should try to use unmixed samples for them, to be more legit.

I didn't use other any other than Polish surnames.

I asked simply what is nationality of Turkovic and I posted even his kit number separately. Don't use if you don't want, you will have Polish Prussia Great average. I even offered to you send surnames thru PM as a mediator. That's ok don't use.

[vbnetkhio]

Yeah, you're right, but it's area of lesser Polish dialect.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Polska-dialekty_wg_Urba%C5%84czyka.PNG/1024px-Polska-dialekty_wg_Urba%C5%84czyka.PNG

This map looks more organic division than administrative one.
Cumansky say old south Polish samples are from east Galicia, so that should be renamed!

nobody knows where the South Polish sample is from. i'ts something from the original spreadsheet. probably just one sample like the Serb and Croatian average.

[Jana]

I didn't use other any other than Polish surnames.

I asked simply what is nationality of Turkovic and I posted even his kit number separately. Don't use if you don't want, you will have Polish Prussia Great average. I even offered to you send surnames thru PM as a mediator. That's ok don't use.

I'm just confused with what Vbn posted, are those samples you used?

[Leto]

Yeah, you're right, but it's area of lesser Polish dialect.
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Polska-dialekty_wg_Urba%C5%84czyka.PNG/1024px-Polska-dialekty_wg_Urba%C5%84czyka.PNG

This map looks more organic division than administrative one.
Cumansky say old south Polish samples are from east Galicia, so that should be renamed!
I've asked Piotr to make two averages for Dodecad - Subcarpathian (SE Poland) and Kashubian (NW Poland) but that fool has refused. I don't even need any fucking kits, just share the goddamn average! :picard1:

[Leto]

nobody knows where the South Polish sample is from. i'ts something from the original spreadsheet. probably just one sample like the Serb and Croatian average.
I've recently had Ukrainian_Belgorod deleted, it's like 6 samples and half of them are relatives. LOL what a fucking joke.

[Dirdepo]

I'm just confused with what Vbn posted, are those samples you used?

I sent you PM with all informations

[Jana]

I can model myself very well with west Poland, considering I always get huge distances on K13.

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 2.2586% / 2.25864322

72.9 Polish_Greater_Poland
11.9 Sardinian
11.5 Ossetian
3.7 French_Basque

[vbnetkhio]

Well I don't have any kit numbers.

I posted 2 kits, you can start from them. Check all their matches which have a gedcom. Then check matches of those new kits etc. You can stop when you have 10 kits by region, because you could collect endlessly otherwise. if you find 20 per region that would be perfect and won't even neeed further updates.

[vbnetkhio]

The result 'T' is 75% from NW BG and 25% from SE BG. The result 'G' is also mixed with Romanians. 'K' is 100% local. Overall, these days is hard to get people who are 100% from 1 region, people move too much these days.

These administrative regions are not very good, the Northwest used to be only Vidin/Montana/Vratsa and on some point it was lumped together with North-Central regions. But for best you should keep that administrative map, otherwise it gets really complicated. The Northwestern region is hard to be defined but for me it is only Vidin/Montana/Vratsa.

Next time will try to paste the values properly.

what's your opinion on the Shopluk region?

On Wikipedia it says it includes entire western Bulgaria (including the region you call Northwest), and is divided into Small, Big, White and Black Shopluk.
But any Bulgarian I ask says he's never heard of that, and that it's just the region around Sofia.

[vlrs-2]

what's your opinion on the Shopluk region?

On Wikipedia it says it includes entire western Bulgaria (including the region you call Northwest), and is divided into Small, Big, White and Black Shopluk.
But any Bulgarian I ask says he's never heard of that, and that it's just the region around Sofia.

Yes, Shopluk is only the region around Sofia plus also some area in Eastern Serbia and N.Macedonia. I've seen a map made by a Serbian author Jovan Cvijic who claims that the entire Western part of Bulgaria is called Shopluk according to him but this is incorrect. I've seen this info also being sometimes posted in Bulgarian websites and I asked a professor from my uni back when I studied and he said that the Shopluk area is only limited to Sofia, Radomir, Pernik, Svoge, Dupnitsa. The term Shop is virtually unknown north of the Balkan chain and the dialects there are quite different. There is a somewhat similar dialect and ethnographic group called Torlaks/Turlaks who speak a dialect that is something like 50/50 Bulgarian/Serbian but the Torlaks and the Shopi are not quite the same people although similar. These groups the Shopi and the Torlaks are interesting, I'd say distinct in their looks, in fact they do not look very Bulgarian nor Serbian. There is a probable theory that there is a steppe-Turkic substrate of Pecheneg origin among them. Probably that is making the difference.

[Dirdepo]

Without the overfitting

Target: Polish_Podkarpackie
Distance: 2.2780% / 2.27802901
49.1 Bosniak_Bosnia
27.8 Kivutkalns222_Latvia_BA_660_ybp
17.1 Portuguese
6.0 Tatar

Alternatively, you can get this

Target: Polish_Podkarpackie
Distance: 2.4032% / 2.40315368
25.9 Pomak_Bulgaria
25.1 Kivutkalns222_Latvia_BA_660_ybp
21.2 Portuguese
20.0 Kretuonas1_Lithuania_EMN_Narva_4140_ybp
4.5 Tatar
3.1 Afghan_Pashtun
0.2 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia



Ashkenazi,15.32,10.16,18.44,10.29,34.61,5.98,1.04, 0.79,0.97,0.46,0.29,1.15,0.50
Iraqi_Jew,0.25,0.32,10.98,30.03,43.49,10.3,3.2,0.3 2,0.05,0.04,0.32,0.69,0
Afghan_Hazara,7.36,7.11,0.59,23.61,5.37,0.96,13.56 ,17.57,20.94,2.12,0.35,0.12,0.31
Afghan_Pashtun,8.26,10.18,0.26,40.21,7.01,0.97,25. 38,1.49,3.82,1.30,0.47,0.07,0.59
Afghan_Tadjik,5.44,8.27,2.43,34.16,9.07,1.03,18.67 ,7.39,10.83,1.54,0.27,0.28,0.62
Afghan_Turkmen,7.16,12.65,3.08,22.29,7.92,0.41,8.3 1,10.56,24.77,1.32,0.69,0.23,0.63
Uzbeki,4.87,11.98,1.72,20.42,6.92,1.05,11.85,15.99 ,23.17,1.39,0.11,0.35,0.19
Uygur,7.18,9.70,0.87,18.93,4.66,0.18,10.42,24.33,2 0.48,2.35,0.42,0.26,0.21
Karakalpak,7.81,12.16,2.15,13.31,3.51,1.45,4.49,20 .04,32.27,1.72,0.65,0.08,0.28
Tatar,18.88,34.62,5.85,11.66,3.85,0.90,2.68,3.12,1 5.56,2.00,0.28,0.13,0.46
Crimean_Tatar,13.17,20.04,7.55,16.36,8.88,1.83,3.2 3,10.25,16.40,1.28,0.47,0.27,0.21
Turkmen,7.21,5.91,2.52,32.73,19.76,1.31,11.21,6.87 ,10.08,1.88,0.32,0.08,0.11
Turkmen_Iraq,4.43,2.1,8.05,35.26,31.26,7.43,5.96,2 .1,0.91,0.63,0.22,0.67,0.98
Turkmen_Uzbekistan,7.25,9.48,3.13,25.95,11.85,3.01 ,9.77,10.3,17.5,0.98,0.37,0.29,0.12
Tuvinian,2.35,7.30,0.57,4.02,0.24,0.55,1.60,23.23, 56.57,2.50,0.71,0.05,0.29
Kazakh,7.42,11.87,1.47,12.28,0.99,0.86,3.34,22.47, 36.11,2.22,0.91,0.05,0.03
Ket,2.00,22.06,0.00,2.96,0.00,0.00,3.98,3.40,57.55 ,7.77,0.28,0.00,0.00
Kirgiz,5.81,7.94,1.15,12.69,2.05,0.34,4.21,24.46,3 7.76,2.56,0.91,0.04,0.08
Vlach(Aromanian)_average,21.26,20.34,19.00,11.77,2 2.61,3.09,0.18,0.47,0.47,0.41,0.38,0.04,0.00
Pomak_Bulgaria,19.91,25.54,17.54,12.24,20.19,2.63, 0.09,0.69,0.47,0.30,0.17,0.19,0.05
Pomak_Greece,18.71,25.67,15.92,12.89,21.39,2.55,0. 34,0.34,1.27,0.36,0.58,0.00,0.00
Portuguese,38.54,11.51,25.32,2.43,13.90,3.63,0.42, 0.14,0.25,0.44,0.67,1.72,1.04
Greek,19.35,16.29,20.51,13.35,25.39,3.12,0.24,0.35 ,0.44,0.34,0.35,0.17,0.05
Greek_Andros_Island,19.35,10.61,18.08,15.98,28.96, 4.76,0,0.37,0.54,0.73,0,0.64,0
Greek_Athens,17.98,12.99,21.25,14.22,27.77,3.93,0. 32,0.47,0.29,0.16,0.24,0.14,0.25
Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81,18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92, 0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0
Greek_Caucasus,2.09,2.19,14.56,38.52,36.1,4.13,1.6 4,0.14,0.14,0,0.49,0,0
Greek_Central,17.81,13.51,20.59,14.66,27.30,4.05,0 .60,0.29,0.33,0.42,0.40,0.03,0.01
Greek_Central_Macedonia,18.99,17.79,21.11,12.46,24 .88,2.53,0.36,0.37,0.21,0.55,0.18,0.23,0.19
Greek_Chios,12.26,6.67,20.79,20.21,33.04,5.56,0,0. 58,0.45,0.02,0.19,0.18,0
Greek_Crete,13.22,9.49,20.29,17.33,32.47,5.12,0.27 ,0.24,0.20,0.15,0.60,0.47,0.16
Greek_Cyclades,17.87,9.96,20.68,15.25,28.66,4.63,0 .10,0.57,0.50,0.54,0.53,0.16,0.08
Greek_Cypriot,5.67,2.81,19.86,20.34,41.08,8.12,0.5 ,0.07,0.23,0,0.47,0.3,0.54
Greek_Dodecanese,12.59,6.27,20.44,18.63,33.75,6.15 ,0.72,0.46,0.28,0.21,0.24,0.17,0.09
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia,20.66,15.94,21.89,13.13,22.35,4.13,0,0.4 1,0.19,0,0.06,1.25,0
Greek_Eastern-Thrace,16.34,17.89,20.20,13.03,27.42,3.63,0,0,1.02 ,0.31,0.13,0,0
Greek_Ionia,16.28,11.33,20.69,15.75,29.74,4.46,0.0 9,0.62,0.26,0.20,0.36,0.18,0.05
Greek_Istanbul,18.08,15.35,16.12,19.69,26.36,2.59, 0,0,0.53,0.42,0.73,0.13,0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace,15.23,16.22,18.36,17.97,26. 41,3.56,0.54,0.36,0.58,0,0.53,0.15,0.03
Greek_North_Aegean,14.57,8.12,21.16,16.95,32.41,5. 20,0.62,0.24,0.25,0.07,0.17,0.23,0.02
Greek_Northeast,20.18,16.56,20.31,13.42,24.38,3.47 ,0.20,0.26,0.34,0.53,0.20,0.04,0.10
Greek_Northern-Thrace,19.04,22.53,19.23,12.02,24.12,0,0,0,1.00,0, 1.52,0,0
Greek_Peloponnese,18.68,15.50,20.35,13.16,26.48,3. 48,0.73,0.30,0.30,0.36,0.49,0.16,0.02
Greek_Symi_Island,14.19,2.63,21.63,17.09,35.08,5.8 4,1.17,0.68,0.64,0,0,0.7,0.34
Greek_Thessaly,20.88,16.97,20.47,11.67,24.62,3.45, 0.50,0.40,0.37,0.495,0.30,0.04,0.09
Greek_Trabzon,3.03,2.61,15.35,37.05,36.21,3.91,0.9 5,0.22,0.3,0.04,0.3,0,0.3
Greek_West,19.36,16.49,21.06,12.79,26.50,2.08,0.03 ,0.40,0.26,0.37,0.25,0.07,0.03
Greek_West_Macedonia,20.56,15.60,20.43,13.81,24.46 ,3.48,0.14,0.29,0.43,0.49,0.11,0.22,0
Greek_Western-Thrace,21.88,13.08,22.91,12.65,25.86,1.90,0,1.34,0 ,0.38,0,0,0
Gypsy_Wallachia,10.87,10.98,13.02,16.12,19.24,2.66 ,23.01,1.43,0.72,0.21,1.21,0.39,0.14
Turk_Anatolia,7.8,6.7,11.49,28.23,26.85,4.32,3.32, 3.21,6.46,0.63,0.45,0.3,0.23
Turk_Central_Black_Sea,5.57,5.29,11.47,31.63,27.5, 4.32,2.57,3.81,6.75,0.59,0.3,0.02,0.08
Turk_Central_East,6.5,6,11.05,29.12,29.7,4.14,3.61 ,2.42,5.93,0.55,0.53,0.18,0.21
Turk_Central_West,9.43,6.14,11.37,27.29,27.47,4.87 ,2.76,3.24,5.81,0.51,0.59,0.26,0.21
Turk_Crete,15.92,13.82,17.01,15.12,26.39,4.34,0,1. 98,2.4,0.21,0.19,1.76,0.87
Turk_Cypriot,5.87,3.86,18.77,18.36,36.95,8.38,2.06 ,0.64,1.47,0.3,0,1.95,1.31
Turk_Deliorman,18.24,21.24,14.61,15.55,19.50,2.61, 1.05,2.57,3.74,0.41,0.51,0.17,0.15
Turk_East,5.37,4.44,10.98,35.86,29.82,4.02,4.85,1. 19,2.15,0.61,0.25,0.3,0.13
Turk_East_Black_Sea,2,2.18,14.83,40.78,33.76,2.4,1 .81,0.76,0.89,0.12,0.38,0,0
Turk_Makedonya,19.58,18.64,16.77,13.73,23.61,2.80, 0.68,1.01,2.18,0.21,0.36,0.21,0.24
Turk_Meskhetian,1.28,2.96,12.66,45.51,29.35,3.41,2 .82,1.13,0.09,0.06,0.4,0.3,0
Turk_North_West,8.8,9.51,12.55,25.66,23.89,2.89,2. 3,4.75,8.02,0.63,0.61,0.26,0.07
Turk_South,6.89,6.1,10.81,27.85,26.51,5.15,3.94,3. 32,7.45,0.44,0.45,0.5,0.48
Turk_South_East,5.41,4.3,10.44,34.23,30.39,4.93,4. 07,1.77,3.24,0.35,0.32,0.36,0.12
Turk_Trakya,15.59,18.68,14.59,17.12,21.06,2.92,1.4 2,2.18,5.21,0.48,0.35,0.19,0.20
Turk_Turkey_average,6.02,5.27,11.79,32.45,28.56,4. 17,3.28,2.55,4.58,0.43,0.44,0.26,0.14
Albanian,21.69,17.54,21.72,11.13,23.86,2.59,0.16,0 .28,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.16,0.09
Albanian_Gheg,21.88,18.15,21.86,11.23,22.94,2.61,0 .19,0.24,0.26,0.19,0.26,0.16,0.02
Albanian_Tosk,21.32,16.38,21.46,10.93,25.63,2.55,0 .09,0.34,0.31,0.46,0.14,0.16,0.22
Kivutkalns222_Latvia_BA_660_ybp,23.95,70.75,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.00,2.64,0.00,0.00,0.17,1.34,0.00,1.16
Kretuonas1_Lithuania_EMN_Narva_4140_ybp,37.35,59.2 2,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.52,2.22,0.70,0.0 0,0.00


Polish_Podkarpackie,28.21,41.01,11.53,6.85,7.66,1. 01,0.98,0.21,1.01,0.58,0.47,0.21,0.26

[Peterski]

but that fool has refused

You should be more sympathethic towards me, I'm 0.2% victim of oppression:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?302020-Peterski-s-updated-23andMe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5F_AhciUy4

[Kaspias]

what's your opinion on the Shopluk region?

On Wikipedia it says it includes entire western Bulgaria (including the region you call Northwest), and is divided into Small, Big, White and Black Shopluk.
But any Bulgarian I ask says he's never heard of that, and that it's just the region around Sofia.

Bulgarians refer only to rural Sofia as Shopluk. Macedonians are also doesn't aware of Shopluk in Eastern Macedonia. Torlak, on the other hand, more like a meta-linguistic classification, and Shopluk is just a sub-ethnic group within Torlak speakers, the separative ethnological factors probably come from various other elements rather than linguistical difference. Black, White terms sources from Turkic Ak and Kara, were used to determine North and South in the Medieval. They are also borrowed by Vlachs, Greeks, and the rest of Bulgarians. Note that Pulevski classified this region as Black and White Shopluk in the 1860s and Cvijić in the 1890s.

At that time period, covered regions in North Macedonia and Blagoevgrad and around were roughly half Muslim(incl. Turks and Pomaks) half Christian. The Southern part, East of Sandanski and the region included Greece, was around 80% Muslim, and almost all population were Pomak.

The Christian Slav population in Western Bulgaria as a whole were migrated to Eastern and Central Bulgaria from Russo-Turkish War to the Communist regime. This created a homogenous Bulgarian population and led regional characteristics to die. For example, see how the surname Shopov is seen all over Bulgaria and has no concentration in Western Bulgaria:

https://forebears.io/surnames/shopov

So, I would presume that Cvijić's drawing could be superficial, for example, I do not believe Samokov and around had Shopis(they could be migrated there at that time period though?) and he drew this region to contribute to map integrity. However, there should be a reason why he and other classifiers who lived in these periods marked these further South and North as Shopluk. The events take place in the 20th century should be taken into account. Most reasonable explanation in my opinion would be the dissolution of Shopi culture in some regions in an attempt to create homogeneity within Christian Slavs and also I have to note the great possibility that some part of Shopis were Muslim, in North Macedonia and Southwestern Bulgaria, and these are/were left the region in an attempt to escape to Turkey or to the regions where Pomaks are the great majority. Eventually, Shopi identity carried out only in Sofia where the Shopi population created a great concentration. In the rest of the regions, it is standardized into other populations, by migrating to some other place.

My village is in the further East of the region painted in Greece, and in between the Mountainous Komotini and Xanthi. Ancestral surname/nickname of my maternal lineage that comes from my great-great-grandfather is Şop(Šop.) Furthermore, Pomak language is not standardized in the region and even differs radically between neighboring villages. And this is one of the reasons why Pomaks switched their language into Turkish in the last 150 years. How the language can differ at such a level if all the population has the same regional origin? I think it can't.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Shopluk_region_map.png

I can also supply this kit who is exactly from the painted region within Greece. Believing you are interested.


Population
North_Atlantic 17.04 Pct
Baltic 27.29 Pct
West_Med 17.19 Pct
West_Asian 13.29 Pct
East_Med 21.18 Pct
Red_Sea 0.44 Pct
South_Asian 0.39 Pct
East_Asian 0.83 Pct
Siberian 1.19 Pct
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 0.42 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Population
Gedrosia 6.18 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.85 Pct
Atlantic_Med 24.55 Pct
North_European 33.17 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.02 Pct
East_Asian 0.7 Pct
Caucasus 27.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Karlıkova
2.43897519 Pomak_Bulgaria
2.54998039 Pomak_Greece
2.65789390 Bulgarian_Central
3.08442863 Bulgarian_West
3.42860030 Bulgarian_East
3.55156304 Moldovan_Gagauz
3.59094695 Greek_Macedonia
3.92522611 Moldovan_South
4.34451378 Romanian
4.43758944 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
5.05372140 Macedonian_Polog
5.73715086 Macedonian_East
6.34733802 Montenegrin
6.54463903 Macedonian_Vardar
6.74487213 Turk_Deliorman
6.97385833 Macedonian_South
7.16557744 Turk_Makedonya
7.78752207 Bulgarian_Thrace
8.28214948 Albanian_Kosovo
9.27037755 Serb
9.58776825 Greek_Thessaly
9.60307763 Greek_Thessaloniki
9.75013846 Turk_Trakya
9.89987374 Moldovan_Central
10.05896615 Greek_Thrace

[vlrs-2]

There is no such thing as White Shopluk that is encompassing the entire Western part of Bulgaria. This designation is unknown beyond Svoge/Vratsa area and the dialects and the population are different. The Shopluk teritory is at best that part shown on the attachment.

107951

[Leto]

Chaos_One(Brazilian),23.43,6.52,18.53,5.98,15.97,2 .57,2.15,1,0,8.58,0.3,0.67,14.31

[Videx]

Target: Videx
Distance: 58.3621% / 0.58362146
35.8 NielsW(Dutch-German)
19.8 IrisSelene(Romanian-Hungarian)
15.8 Visar(Pole)
10.6 Peterski(Pole)
8.6 War_Chief(Gagauz-Ossetian-Ukrainian)
4.0 Stearsolina(Croat)
3.2 Korialstrasz(Circassian-Georgian-Turk)
2.2 I.vet(Russian)

Target: Videx
Distance: 142.6769% / 1.42676855 | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.0 Viers(Hungarian)
25.4 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather1(German-Russian-Pole)
19.2 yowasgeht_father(German)
13.8 War_Chief(Gagauz-Ossetian-Ukrainian)
11.6 Turul_Karom(Hungarian)

[vbnetkhio]

Bulgarians refer only to rural Sofia as Shopluk. Macedonians are also doesn't aware of Shopluk in Eastern Macedonia. Torlak, on the other hand, more like a meta-linguistic classification, and Shopluk is just a sub-ethnic group within Torlak speakers, the separative ethnological factors probably come from various other elements rather than linguistical difference. Black, White terms sources from Turkic Ak and Kara, were used to determine North and South in the Medieval. They are also borrowed by Vlachs, Greeks, and the rest of Bulgarians. Note that Pulevski classified this region as Black and White Shopluk in the 1860s and Cvijić in the 1890s.

At that time period, covered regions in North Macedonia and Blagoevgrad and around were roughly half Muslim(incl. Turks and Pomaks) half Christian. The Southern part, East of Sandanski and the region included Greece, was around 80% Muslim, and almost all population were Pomak.

The Christian Slav population in Western Bulgaria as a whole were migrated to Eastern and Central Bulgaria from Russo-Turkish War to the Communist regime. This created a homogenous Bulgarian population and led regional characteristics to die. For example, see how the surname Shopov is seen all over Bulgaria and has no concentration in Western Bulgaria:

https://forebears.io/surnames/shopov

So, I would presume that Cvijić's drawing could be superficial, for example, I do not believe Samokov and around had Shopis(they could be migrated there at that time period though?) and he drew this region to contribute to map integrity. However, there should be a reason why he and other classifiers who lived in these periods marked these further South and North as Shopluk. The events take place in the 20th century should be taken into account. Most reasonable explanation in my opinion would be the dissolution of Shopi culture in some regions in an attempt to create homogeneity within Christian Slavs and also I have to note the great possibility that some part of Shopis were Muslim, in North Macedonia and Southwestern Bulgaria, and these are/were left the region in an attempt to escape to Turkey or to the regions where Pomaks are the great majority. Eventually, Shopi identity carried out only in Sofia where the Shopi population created a great concentration. In the rest of the regions, it is standardized into other populations, by migrating to some other place.

My village is in the further East of the region painted in Greece, and in between the Mountainous Komotini and Xanthi. Ancestral surname/nickname of my maternal lineage that comes from my great-great-grandfather is Şop(Šop.) Furthermore, Pomak language is not standardized in the region and even differs radically between neighboring villages. And this is one of the reasons why Pomaks switched their language into Turkish in the last 150 years. How the language can differ at such a level if all the population has the same regional origin? I think it can't.


I would just disagree with one thing, the Shop name actually doesn't correlate well with dialect borders. Even if we take the smaller borders vlrs-2 mentions, Shopi in Bulgaria fall into 3 different dialect groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_dialects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torlakian_dialects

in Macedonia too: (3 or 4 different dialects)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialects_of_Macedonian

That map was drawn by a Wikipedia user btw, it could be wrong. I'll try to find more details on where Cvijić and Pulevski exactly place the border.
About the southwestern part (Blagoevgrad, Sandanski), did the people there traditionally use the names Macedonia and Macedonian for themselves, or is that more recent?

[Ion Basescul]

This is not true, they have less than 10 samples if I remember correctly, and Bulgarians are 2X more numerous than Croats and about similar to Serbs in population size (bit smaller)

You don't remember correctly and all the samples that vlrs posted (Velislav on Anthrogenica) were donated by me to him on Anthrogenica. All of them make up the average for the Northwestern region.

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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


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27
22.04
26.19
17.58
10.15
19.05
2.31
0.40
0.52
0.70
0.51
0.38
0.07
0.09

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


23.64
27.35
14.61
7.51
22.81
2.13
0.00
0.07
0.60
0.18
1.10
0.00
0.00


16.56
29.65
18.57
12.50
17.17
2.86
0.00
1.40
0.38
0.00
0.91
0.00
0.00


21.99
28.45
16.27
9.20
19.48
1.68
0.77
0
0.64
0.38
0.49
0.64
0


19.15
27.43
18.03
9.58
21.11
1.97
1.30
0.46
0.23
0.18
0
0
0.55


21.79
27.11
15.40
10.66
18.32
2.87
0.90
0.00
0.00
2.38
0.38
0.00
0.14


19.28
28.94
19.30
7.62
20.70
2.32
0
0
0.25
0.18
0.62
0.18
0.61


22.99
25.47
19.16
8.98
19.63
2.02
0
0
0.67
0.76
0.34
0
0


21.30
26.25
18.15
9.42
19.00
3.05
0.00
1.33
0.56
0.95
0.00
0.00
0.00


19.54
29.43
18.54
7.36
20.17
2.42
0.00
1.21
0.12
0.47
0.72
0.00
0.00


20.03
23.02
14.16
12.47
23.48
4.64
0.00
0.00
1.33
0.00
0.88
0.00
0.00


23.83
25.67
21.44
7.31
16.40
3.45
0
1.31
0
0
0.59
0
0


22.62
28.68
16.12
10.81
18.32
0.90
0
0.61
0.90
0
0
0
1.03


26.37
25.14
17.48
9.61
18.07
1.82
0
0.23
1.14
0
0.12
0
0


22.74
29.76
18.24
7.01
17.47
1.53
0.00
1.33
0.82
0.14
0.96
0.00
0.00


20.78
26.26
17.57
11.89
18.74
2.64
1.14
0.98
0
0
0
0
0


20.51
29.91
17.82
11.04
17.23
2.34
0.00
0.00
0.42
0.54
0.00
0.00
0.20


23.81
25.84
17.92
11.88
17.62
0.47
0.77
0.00
0.99
0.00
0.69
0.00
0.00


24.91
26.33
16.56
6.75
17.77
4.54
0.55
0.53
1.23
0.59
0.00
0.25
0.00


24.14
27.52
16.69
7.96
18.37
1.31
1.09
0.31
1.44
0.96
0.21
0.00
0.00


21.36
22.75
19.61
13.11
18.83
0.77
0
1.02
1.85
0.71
0
0
0


18.66
25.72
19.30
10.32
19.14
3.22
1.67
0.05
1.06
0.79
0.08
0
0


22.95
23.87
20.21
7.80
19.65
2.09
0
1.46
0.65
0.58
0.74
0
0


27.96
19.79
16.45
11.04
17.23
3.92
1.21
0.51
0.59
0.84
0.13
0.32
0


23.08
20.91
18.56
10.34
22.35
3.45
0
0.51
0
0.81
0
0
0


20.59
25.65
15.96
16.00
18.06
1.50
0.15
0
1.41
0.19
0.48
0
0


19.81
27.73
18.00
13.08
16.46
2.19
0
0.71
1.07
0.45
0.50
0
0


24.75
22.58
14.58
12.68
20.77
0.22
1.32
0
0.67
1.62
0.36
0.44
0

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[Lemminkäinen]

I have 44 academic Polish samples plus Sorbs, but turning them into Gedmatch is too much work only to hear Leto saying "bull shit" 🙂. So I understand why someones don't want to give him data.

[Leto]

I have 44 academic Polish samples plus Sorbs, but turning them into Gedmatch is too much work only to hear Leto saying "bull shit" ��. So I understand why someones don't want to give him data.
Why are you mentioning me? I don't act in bad faith and if something just doesn't look right, I say it. Besides, it's not just me, I add things to the spreadsheet.

[Jana]

You don't remember correctly and all the samples that vlrs posted (Velislav on Anthrogenica) were donated by me to him on Anthrogenica. All of them make up the average for the Northwestern region.

Average
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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northwestern
27
22.04
26.19
17.58
10.15
19.05
2.31
0.40
0.52
0.70
0.51
0.38
0.07
0.09

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Individuals

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


23.64
27.35
14.61
7.51
22.81
2.13
0.00
0.07
0.60
0.18
1.10
0.00
0.00


16.56
29.65
18.57
12.50
17.17
2.86
0.00
1.40
0.38
0.00
0.91
0.00
0.00


21.99
28.45
16.27
9.20
19.48
1.68
0.77
0
0.64
0.38
0.49
0.64
0


19.15
27.43
18.03
9.58
21.11
1.97
1.30
0.46
0.23
0.18
0
0
0.55


21.79
27.11
15.40
10.66
18.32
2.87
0.90
0.00
0.00
2.38
0.38
0.00
0.14


19.28
28.94
19.30
7.62
20.70
2.32
0
0
0.25
0.18
0.62
0.18
0.61


22.99
25.47
19.16
8.98
19.63
2.02
0
0
0.67
0.76
0.34
0
0


21.30
26.25
18.15
9.42
19.00
3.05
0.00
1.33
0.56
0.95
0.00
0.00
0.00


19.54
29.43
18.54
7.36
20.17
2.42
0.00
1.21
0.12
0.47
0.72
0.00
0.00


20.03
23.02
14.16
12.47
23.48
4.64
0.00
0.00
1.33
0.00
0.88
0.00
0.00


23.83
25.67
21.44
7.31
16.40
3.45
0
1.31
0
0
0.59
0
0


22.62
28.68
16.12
10.81
18.32
0.90
0
0.61
0.90
0
0
0
1.03


26.37
25.14
17.48
9.61
18.07
1.82
0
0.23
1.14
0
0.12
0
0


22.74
29.76
18.24
7.01
17.47
1.53
0.00
1.33
0.82
0.14
0.96
0.00
0.00


20.78
26.26
17.57
11.89
18.74
2.64
1.14
0.98
0
0
0
0
0


20.51
29.91
17.82
11.04
17.23
2.34
0.00
0.00
0.42
0.54
0.00
0.00
0.20


23.81
25.84
17.92
11.88
17.62
0.47
0.77
0.00
0.99
0.00
0.69
0.00
0.00


24.91
26.33
16.56
6.75
17.77
4.54
0.55
0.53
1.23
0.59
0.00
0.25
0.00


24.14
27.52
16.69
7.96
18.37
1.31
1.09
0.31
1.44
0.96
0.21
0.00
0.00


21.36
22.75
19.61
13.11
18.83
0.77
0
1.02
1.85
0.71
0
0
0


18.66
25.72
19.30
10.32
19.14
3.22
1.67
0.05
1.06
0.79
0.08
0
0


22.95
23.87
20.21
7.80
19.65
2.09
0
1.46
0.65
0.58
0.74
0
0


27.96
19.79
16.45
11.04
17.23
3.92
1.21
0.51
0.59
0.84
0.13
0.32
0


23.08
20.91
18.56
10.34
22.35
3.45
0
0.51
0
0.81
0
0
0


20.59
25.65
15.96
16.00
18.06
1.50
0.15
0
1.41
0.19
0.48
0
0


19.81
27.73
18.00
13.08
16.46
2.19
0
0.71
1.07
0.45
0.50
0
0


24.75
22.58
14.58
12.68
20.77
0.22
1.32
0
0.67
1.62
0.36
0.44
0

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Please read before posting. I was talking about Bulgarian member samples, not averages you made and in that I was correct, list had much more Croat and Serbs samples than Bulgarian.

[Jana]

I have 44 academic Polish samples plus Sorbs, but turning them into Gedmatch is too much work only to hear Leto saying "bull shit" ��. So I understand why someones don't want to give him data.

Leto contributes unselfishly to Vahaduo, same can't be said for some other members.

[Lemminkäinen]

Why are you mentioning me? I don't act in bad faith and if something just doesn't look right, I say it. Besides, it's not just me, I add things to the spreadsheet.

We have had PM several times and every time you ask me something about Finns it end up like "you are wrong and I am right". This happens, not only in genetic matters, but also regarding the Finnish history. Then if I ask you your sources I don't get it.

[Lemminkäinen]

Leto contributes unselfishly to Vahaduo, same can't be said for some other members.

Because he is eager to contribute his opinions, which might be biased. This is my experience.

[Ion Basescul]

Drama time:popcorn:

[alexmegas777]

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
Distance: 37.5717% / 0.37571651
25.6 Petalpusher_mother(French)
16.8 Decius(Serb)
11.0 Drawing_slim(Albanian)
6.4 Chrisbab_mother(Romanian)
5.8 Rafael_Passoni(Brazilian)
4.8 rafael_dad(Spaniard-Italian)
3.2 Alienor(French-Italian)
3.2 Nilotik(Albanian)
2.8 Aila(Finn)
2.8 Eleonor(French)
2.2 Freeroostah(Greek)
2.2 Kazbolat(Karachay)
2.0 Thanas_Django(Greek)
1.8 Corvo(Italian)
1.8 Gallop(Spaniard)
1.6 gixajo(Spaniard)
1.4 Hulu_brother(Albanian)
1.4 Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
1.4 Roman-Anatolian(Greek)
1.0 Norka(Russian-Tatar)
0.4 Deniz_father(Turk)
0.4 Dorian(Greek)

[Leto]

We have had PM several times and every time you ask me something about Finns it end up like "you are wrong and I am right". This happens, not only in genetic matters, but also regarding the Finnish history. Then if I ask you your sources I don't get it.
That's not true, please stop. I don't even know much about Finnish history and actually thanked you for your answers. I asked you to review some of the samples whether they are Eastern or Western Finns. Something like that, I don't even remember exactly.
I guess you dislike me because I'm Russian which is stupid, you don't even know my political views.

[Leto]

I rejected some of the averages by Lemminkäinen because they looked calculator-affected, so I decided to find actual Finns for Dodecad, there is a great multitude of Finnish accounts on Gedmatch. Thinking that I'm somehow secretly doctoring the results because of my personal ethnic background is just asinine. I've edited all sorts of populations, from the Netherlands all the way to Mongolia, even some black people.

[Lemminkäinen]

That's not true, please stop. I don't even know much about Finnish history and actually thanked you for your answers. I asked you to review some of the samples whether they are Eastern or Western Finns. Something like that, I don't even remember exactly.
I guess you dislike me because I'm Russian which is stupid, you don't even know my political views.

I have nothing against Russians. There are some politicians like Tsirinovsky, but the same can be said about Finns.

[Lemminkäinen]

That's not true, please stop. I don't even know much about Finnish history and actually thanked you for your answers. I asked you to review some of the samples whether they are Eastern or Western Finns. Something like that, I don't even remember exactly.
I guess you dislike me because I'm Russian which is stupid, you don't even know my political views.

I have nothing against Russians. There are some politicians like Tsirinovsky, but the same can be said about Finns.

[Leto]

I have nothing against Russians. There are some politicians like Tsirinovsky, but the same can be said about Finns.
I am just a private guy. Let's stop this conversation. When I created Finnish averages for Dodecad, I actually worried that they might be mixed and not purely Eastern or Western Finnish 'cause I cannot tell them by name. I picked those who scored the MOST WESTERN results as Western Finns (excluding obvious Swedes).

But you are not even a fan of Dodecad, you told me so.



Finnish_East,2.64,8.30,0.16,0.36,17.72,66.47,0.71, 0.05,0.98,0.90,1.71,0
Finnish_West,4.85,6.09,0.26,0.22,22.52,62.24,0.78, 0.03,0.57,0.59,1.87,0

Target: Finnish_West
Distance: 1.0101% / 1.01012894
75.2 Finnish_East
24.8 Icelandic

Would you agree they can be modeled as quarter North Germanic?

[Lemminkäinen]

I am just a private guy. Let's stop this conversation. When I created Finnish averages for Dodecad, I actually worried that they might be mixed and not purely Eastern or Western Finnish 'cause I cannot tell them by name. I picked those who scored the MOST WESTERN results as Western Finns (excluding obvious Swedes).

But you are not even a fan of Dodecad, you told me so.



Finnish_East,2.64,8.30,0.16,0.36,17.72,66.47,0.71, 0.05,0.98,0.90,1.71,0
Finnish_West,4.85,6.09,0.26,0.22,22.52,62.24,0.78, 0.03,0.57,0.59,1.87,0

Target: Finnish_West
Distance: 1.0101% / 1.01012894
75.2 Finnish_East
24.8 Icelandic

Would you agree they can be modeled as quarter North Germanic?

Sure, we can stop now.

[Leto]

Sure, we can stop now.
Well, tell me your opinion about the average. It's not about politics and they don't score Russian_Ryazan xD

[vlrs-2]

I would just disagree with one thing, the Shop name actually doesn't correlate well with dialect borders. Even if we take the smaller borders vlrs-2 mentions, Shopi in Bulgaria fall into 3 different dialect groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_dialects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torlakian_dialects

in Macedonia too: (3 or 4 different dialects)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialects_of_Macedonian

That map was drawn by a Wikipedia user btw, it could be wrong. I'll try to find more details on where Cvijić and Pulevski exactly place the border.
About the southwestern part (Blagoevgrad, Sandanski), did the people there traditionally use the names Macedonia and Macedonian for themselves, or is that more recent?

Yes, there is no single Shop dialect. Most of the so called Shops would speak E-type Western Bulgarian dialect, while other Shops like the people from Trn and Breznik would speak transitional dialect. The Torlaks also speak transitional dialect but they are separate from the Shopi in our ethnography. The Torlaks are tied linguistically to the Shopi from Trn and Breznik (on the basis of their transitional dialects) and I guess that the Serbian ethnography is lumping those 3 groups together and call them Shopi. I suspect that might be the case for the slight misunderstanding. The entire topic is really political unfortunately and both sides made really bad claims in the past so probably that is the reason for some of the discrepancies.

[Leto]

Andullero(Dominican),20.93,8.76,15.39,2.16,9.99,3. 03,1.91,0,0,6,0,2.23,29.6

[Jana]

Added :)

[J. Ketch]

Xila(North_French),48.02,22.98,16.06,0.42,7.82,0.9 9,0.92,0,1.33,0.62,0.63,0.21,0

[J. Ketch]

oblivion(Copt),0,0,13.24,5.61,48.54,20.65,0,0.2,0, 0,0,11.76,0

[Jana]

Added.

[vbnetkhio]

Illyrius(Albanian),24.45,9.23,23.55,14.39,23.87,3. 05,0,1.18,0,0,0,0,0

[Jana]

Added :)

[Kayra]

Distance to: Kayra(Turk-Bosniak)
7.71994819 Deniz_mother(Turk)
7.99800600 Cybele_mom(Romanian)
8.22782474 Deniz_grandpa(Turk)
8.26497429 Kökény(Hungarian)
8.48143856 Pagane(Bulgarian)
8.89733106 paradox_dad(Greek)
8.91901900 Cybele(Romanian)
9.17143391 Impaler(Romanian)
9.29489107 Vojnik(Macedonian)
9.90454946 alexmegas(Romanian)
9.94489316 Kyp(Azeri-German)
10.06002982 Bojan(Macedonian)
10.21377501 Cybele_dad(Romanian)
10.30459121 TieRed(Serb)
10.30850135 Aherne(Romanian-German)
10.39661483 Pagane_Brother(Bulgarian)
10.40119224 ovidiu(Romanian)
10.54553460 Thracian(Turk)
10.58976393 7eleven(German-Jew)
10.64444456 Karol_friend(Serb-Romanian)
10.69118328 Sofia(Bulgarian)
10.72546036 Light(Romanian)
10.75700237 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
10.97696679 bained(Bulgarian)
11.02866719 Kökény_father(Hungarian)

Target: Kayra(Turk-Bosniak)
Distance: 2.3197% / 2.31970132 | R2P
75.0 Kaspias(Turk-Pomak)
25.0 dududud_father(French)