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reboun
05-10-2021, 10:40 AM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321584-Hittite-GEDmatch-results-(1750-BC) in this thread, I saw that they almost lack any Steppe in put. I know that DNA and phenotype is not %100 correlated but I still want to ask the question. What do you you think Hittites looked like?

Altaylı
05-10-2021, 11:16 AM
probably something west asian as for as phenotype i think east med anatolid armenoid pontid etc.

Token
05-10-2021, 11:21 AM
I saw that they almost lack any Steppe in put.
The chances are that this sample is not really Hittite, but Hattian. We will only get genuine Hittite genomes if we test royal Hittite Nes burials.
About their physical appearence, Coon gives a detailed description of Hittite crania throughout the metal ages:


Let us first examine what Bronze Age skeletal material there is in Asia Minor. So far, all of it comes from two sites, Alishar Hüyük, which, in its later periods, was a Hittite city, and Hissarlik, the seventh level of Which was Homer’s Troy. Both were important centers in the Bronze Age. At Alishar, fifty-three skulls have been studied, from seven archaeological periods, ranging from the earliest Copper Age, dated from between 2600 and 2300 B.C., to the Osmanli invasion.

Ten crania from the earliest period (two “Chalcolithic,” eight Copper Age) are uniformly Danubian in type, both metrically and morphologically. The small, high-vaulted, somewhat infantile dolicho- and mesocephalic form, with small face and mesorrhine to chamaerrhine noses, is no different from that found at roughly the same time at Anau, at Mariupol, in the Kiev Government, and in the Danube Valley, in association with Neolithic cultures. Two others, which are longer, may belong to a Megalithic or Corded variety. The unity of the early food-producing peoples on both sides of the Caucasus and Black Sea is therefore indicated, and from the racial standpoint, the Danubians could have come to central Europe from either South Russia or Anatolia, or both.

In the second and third periods at Alishar, dated between 2300 and 1500 B.C., and called the Early Bronze Age, brachycephalic skulls appeared, and these persisted through the period of the Hittite Empire, for several centuries after 1500 B.C. The crania are large, low vaulted, and only moderately brachycephalic, with lambdoid flattening, and moderate browridges. The faces are of medium length, and narrow, although somewhat broader than those of the earlier Danubian type. The stature of the one male observed was tall, 174 cm.

Not all of the Hittite Empire crania are brachycephalic. A long-headed variety, which seems to have replaced or outnumbered the brachycephals by the time of the Phrygian invasions, is both longer and lower vaulted than the Danubian type of the Copper Age; it is characterized by a very prominent nasal skeleton of true Near Eastern form, with little nasion depression. Bas-relief sculptures of historic Hittites reproduce this hook-nosed, open-eyed type of countenance.

Summing it up:

The sequence of racial types in Asia Minor during the metal ages probably runs somewhat as follows: the earliest food-producing people were the same as those in western Turkestan and southern Russia. The latter probably came in earlier times from the highland belt of which Anatolia forms a part. Shortly before 2000 B.C., a moderately brachycephalic type, with tall stature, entered Anatolia from regions yet to be determined, followed by a low-vaulted, hawk-nosed Mediterranean form, which we have named Cappadocian,” and which is well known in the present day Near East. True Armenoids or Dinarics were not, apparently, common in early times.


https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/chapter-V-fig26.jpg

Hamilcar
05-10-2021, 11:23 AM
something close to modern cypriots I suppose

Kross
05-10-2021, 11:32 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Bust_of_Gordian_I_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016_%282%29.jpg/682px-Bust_of_Gordian_I_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016_%282%29.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Bust_of_Gordian_I_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016.jpg/682px-Bust_of_Gordian_I_-_Palazzo_Nuovo_-_Musei_Capitolini_-_Rome_2016.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D379cQfUcAE5flQ.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Bust_Gordianus_III_Louvre_Ma1063.jpg/800px-Bust_Gordianus_III_Louvre_Ma1063.jpg

Hektor12
05-10-2021, 11:50 AM
Anatolid, east med, dinarid, litorid, etc...

Pater Patota
05-10-2021, 12:28 PM
IMHO, Asiatic Alpinid-Armenoid.

Immanenz
05-10-2021, 12:44 PM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321584-Hittite-GEDmatch-results-(1750-BC) in this thread, I saw that they almost lack any Steppe in put. I know that DNA and phenotype is not %100 correlated but I still want to ask the question. What do you you think Hittites looked like?

No Steppe, but had a lot of CHG- so they would be a mixture of GracileMed/ ALpine Med and Armenoid- Anatolid - (this mixture produces proper East Med/ Alpine look by default as well). which also fits the describtion but the full dinarized types pehabs, but remember many people who get classfied as Armenoid arent fully tauricized either (so it would be technically wrong to call them Armenoid but people do it nonetheless).