ancient K5 calc for Central Euros and Balkanites

[Jana]

Doesn't work for north Euros (NW and NE), neither for South Euros, no idea why, but it doesn't, so don't waste your time.

North Euro = WHG + EHG
South Euro = Anatolian + European neolithic
Near Eastern = Natufian
Siberian-Amerindian = ANE
Caucasus-Iran = CHG


North_Euro:la_Brana_WHG_,44.49,46.66,3.53,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,2.19,0.00,0.00,2.19,0.00,0.93
North_Euro:Villabruna_WHG_,49.33,47.53,2.40,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.18,0.00,0.56
North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp,50. 07,46.79,1.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.18,0.00,0.00,1 .57,0.00,0.00
North_Euro:I0211_Russia_Karelia_HG_8280_ybp,8.43,7 1.08,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.03,0.00,0.62,11.58,1.27 ,0.00,0.00
North_Euro:UzOO77_new_Russia_EHG_5250_ybp,18.09,59 .06,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.57,0.00,1.38,14.87,0.03, 0.00,0.00
North_Euro:I0124_Russia_Samara_EHG_7549_ybp,20.32, 59.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.60,0.00,0.00,12.75,0.9 3,0.00,0.00
South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp,10.55,0.00,43 .86,0.00,41.95,3.64,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00
South_Euro:I1097_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp,5.09,0.00,47. 04,0.00,44.06,3.82,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0 .00
South_Euro:I1880_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp,5.81 ,0.00,48.93,0.00,41.07,4.19,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00,0.00
Near_Eastern:I1072_Israel_Raqefet_M_Natufian_12750 _ybp,0.00,0.00,9.52,0.00,40.36,40.96,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.91,8.25,0.00
Near_Eastern:Natufian_merged_M041601_,0.00,0.00,19 .79,0.00,36.34,38.37,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.50 ,0.00
Siberian-Amerindian:AfontovaGora3_Russia_AfontovaGora3_1793 0_ybp,1.21,52.45,0.00,5.85,0.00,0.00,13.63,0.00,0. 00,26.48,0.39,0.00,0.00
Siberian-Amerindian:Ma’lta_South_Central0Siberia_22_000_BC, 6.06,44.84,0.00,7.64,0.00,0.00,19.93,0.00,0.00,20. 11,0.25,0.00,1.18
Siberian-Amerindian:MA1_Russia_MA1_HG.SG_24305_ybp,2.49,42. 73,0.00,9.83,0.00,0.00,21.47,0.00,0.06,20.26,1.60, 0.00,1.56
Caucasus-Iran:Kotias_CHG_,0.00,5.90,0.00,79.28,0.00,0.00,7. 20,0.99,0.98,0.00,0.22,1.21,4.22
Caucasus-Iran:Kotias2_5700_BC,0.00,4.27,0.00,84.66,0.00,0.0 0,6.62,0.00,0.65,0.00,0.24,0.37,3.19
Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp,0.00,3.84,0.00 ,85.53,0.00,0.00,6.97,0.00,1.08,0.00,0.49,0.26,1.8 2
Caucasus-Iran:Satsurblia_CHG_,0.64,7.86,0.00,83.26,1.07,0.0 0,0.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.37

Use your Eurogenes K13 coordinates.

[Jana]

Target: Stears
Distance: 2.0188% / 2.01882983

60.3 North_Euro
25.2 South_Euro
13.0 Caucasus-Iran
1.5 Siberian-Amerindian

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 3.7976% / 3.79760761

64.1 North_Euro
24.8 South_Euro
11.1 Caucasus-Iran

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.5952% / 3.59518023
58.8 North_Euro
32.1 South_Euro
9.1 Caucasus_Iran

[Jana]

Family and friends:



Target: Stearsolina_Mom (Croatia)
Distance: 2.4095% / 2.40948574

61.4 North_Euro
25.0 South_Euro
11.1 Caucasus-Iran
2.5 Near_Eastern

Target: Stearsolina_Dad (Croatia)
Distance: 2.1751% / 2.17514559

62.5 North_Euro
28.1 South_Euro
9.4 Caucasus-Iran

Target: Hrvoje (Croatia)
Distance: 1.4186% / 1.41863511

63.3 North_Euro
23.5 South_Euro
13.2 Caucasus-Iran

Target: Manda (Croatia)
Distance: 3.9978% / 3.99775461

70.3 North_Euro
20.6 South_Euro
8.9 Caucasus-Iran
0.2 Near_Eastern

Target: Blanka (Hungary)
Distance: 0.7284% / 0.72837663

69.2 North_Euro
24.5 South_Euro
3.7 Caucasus-Iran
2.6 Near_Eastern

Target: Blanka_husband (Hungary)
Distance: 2.6927% / 2.69272602

67.9 North_Euro
24.6 South_Euro
7.5 Caucasus-Iran

[vbnetkhio]

Target: i
Distance: 325.4102% / 3.25410187
57.0 North_Euro
35.8 South_Euro
7.2 Caucasus-Iran

[Jana]

Target: Austrian
Distance: 3.9469% / 3.94694005

67.3 North_Euro
24.6 South_Euro
8.1 Caucasus-Iran

Target: Czech
Distance: 1.7572% / 1.75717318

73.6 North_Euro
19.6 South_Euro
6.8 Caucasus-Iran

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 1.2197% / 1.21967161

65.6 North_Euro
25.4 South_Euro
8.4 Caucasus-Iran
0.6 Near_Eastern

Target: Slovak
Distance: 1.5285% / 1.52846399

71.7 North_Euro
21.2 South_Euro
7.1 Caucasus-Iran

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 1.2787% / 1.27868388

67.8 North_Euro
24.8 South_Euro
7.4 Caucasus-Iran

Target: Ruthenian
Distance: 2.3698% / 2.36979347

68.2 North_Euro
23.6 South_Euro
8.2 Caucasus-Iran

[Jana]

Target: Croat
Distance: 1.2568% / 1.25679340

62.8 North_Euro
27.9 South_Euro
9.0 Caucasus-Iran
0.3 Near_Eastern

Target: Bosniak
Distance: 1.7030% / 1.70303978

59.1 North_Euro
29.6 South_Euro
10.3 Caucasus-Iran
1.0 Near_Eastern

Target: Serb
Distance: 1.3264% / 1.32637938

55.0 North_Euro
33.9 South_Euro
10.7 Caucasus-Iran
0.4 Near_Eastern

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 1.2099% / 1.20988621

49.3 North_Euro
36.5 South_Euro
12.0 Caucasus-Iran
2.2 Near_Eastern

Target: Moldovan
Distance: 1.9751% / 1.97511428

56.9 North_Euro
30.1 South_Euro
11.2 Caucasus-Iran
1.8 Near_Eastern

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.6018% / 1.60177229

49.2 North_Euro
36.4 South_Euro
12.3 Caucasus-Iran
2.1 Near_Eastern

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 2.0835% / 2.08347709

44.5 North_Euro
38.3 South_Euro
13.6 Caucasus-Iran
3.6 Near_Eastern

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 1.9291% / 1.92914274

45.2 South_Euro
39.3 North_Euro
12.9 Caucasus-Iran
2.6 Near_Eastern

Target: Albanian
Distance: 2.0884% / 2.08844135

49.7 South_Euro
33.9 North_Euro
13.0 Caucasus-Iran
3.4 Near_Eastern

Target: Greek
Distance: 3.4421% / 3.44206485

48.2 South_Euro
30.0 North_Euro
15.5 Caucasus-Iran
6.3 Near_Eastern

[17571imre]

i think im closest to Serb Avarage:

Target: Imre
Distance: 1.2808% / 1.28080077
56.7 North_Euro
34.1 South_Euro
8.7 Caucasus-Iran
0.5 Siberian-Amerindian

Target: Imremother
Distance: 3.6309% / 3.63090558
60.5 North_Euro
31.0 South_Euro
6.7 Caucasus-Iran
1.8 Siberian-Amerindian

[Luke35]

My father's theoretical K13 works just fine with this calc. I get too far distance (6.9), I'm too Northwest European admixed for it probably.

Target: Mr.G_dad(hungarian)
Distance: 3.6073% / 3.60729012
59.7 North_Euro
24.2 South_Euro
8.7 Caucasus-Iran
4.7 Near_Eastern
2.7 Siberian-Amerindian

[Jana]

i think im closest to Serb Avarage:

Target: Imre
Distance: 1.2808% / 1.28080077
56.7 North_Euro
34.1 South_Euro
8.7 Caucasus-Iran
0.5 Siberian-Amerindian

Target: Imremother
Distance: 3.6309% / 3.63090558
60.5 North_Euro
31.0 South_Euro
6.7 Caucasus-Iran
1.8 Siberian-Amerindian

I have a question. Your Hungarian origin is Transylvanian, but not Székely, if I am not mistaken? Your parents ancestry is from central or western Transylvania?

[Eleonor]

Target: Eleonor
Distance: 11.0746% / 11.07459651
66.2 North_Euro
26.0 South_Euro
7.8 Caucasus-Iran

Just trying, distance 11 shouldn't work for me.

My central europe dreams: crushed

[17571imre]

I have a question. Your Hungarian origin is Transylvanian, but not Székely, if I am not mistaken? Your parents ancestry is from central or western Transylvania?

1/4 side is from Western Transylvania its a place called Micske

and 3/4 side is from central Transylvania.

my fathers Hungarian side is from sepsiszentgyörgy

and my mothers side from kolozsvár and Micske

[alexmegas777]

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
Distance: 5.0761% / 5.07606597
48.5 North_Euro
39.4 South_Euro
12.1 Caucasus-Iran

[Lemminkäinen]

Target: Mm
Distance: 4.7536% / 4.75359262
90.5 North_Euro
5.3 South_Euro
4.2 Caucasus-Iran

[Scandal]

Target: Universe
Distance: 3.5195% / 3.51945031
70.8 North_Euro
21.5 South_Euro
4.2 Near_Eastern
3.5 Caucasus-Iran



Distance to: Universe
23.68957155 North_Euro:la_Brana_WHG_
27.58061457 North_Euro:Villabruna_WHG_
28.30282318 North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
31.48320663 North_Euro:I0124_Russia_Samara_EHG_7549_ybp
32.83871952 North_Euro:UzOO77_new_Russia_EHG_5250_ybp
40.81413481 Siberian-Amerindian:Ma’lta_South_Central0Siberia_22_000_BC
43.70580968 North_Euro:I0211_Russia_Karelia_HG_8280_ybp
43.78581163 Siberian-Amerindian:MA1_Russia_MA1_HG.SG_24305_ybp
46.04894353 Siberian-Amerindian:AfontovaGora3_Russia_AfontovaGora3_1793 0_ybp
61.60553141 South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
65.54277611 South_Euro:I1880_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp
65.84785114 Near_Eastern:Natufian_merged_M041601_
66.07995611 South_Euro:I1097_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp
68.56503409 Near_Eastern:I1072_Israel_Raqefet_M_Natufian_12750 _ybp
89.74647681 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias_CHG_
91.93717257 Caucasus-Iran:Satsurblia_CHG_
94.83020352 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias2_5700_BC
95.72572486 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp

[Ion Basescul]

Target: IonBasescul_MyHeritage
Distance: 2.7201% / 2.72009774
57.8 North_Euro
28.6 South_Euro
13.1 Caucasus-Iran
0.5 Near_Eastern


Target: IonBasescul_Merged
Distance: 3.1391% / 3.13914045
59.1 North_Euro
27.9 South_Euro
11.6 Caucasus-Iran
1.4 Near_Eastern

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 3.9775% / 3.97750361
70.0 North_Euro
20.6 South_Euro
6.1 Caucasus-Iran
3.3 Near_Eastern

[Dunai]

My distance is little bit bigger than I usually get but interesting calculator, almost matches the Hungarian numbers:

Target: Dunai
Distance: 3.3093% / 3.30928638
65.7 North_Euro
24.3 South_Euro
9.6 Caucasus-Iran
0.4 Near_Eastern

[Kökény]

my fathers Hungarian side is from sepsiszentgyörgy
I didn't know that you had Székely ancestry on your father's side. :thumb001:

Btw, remember when we talked about your mom's surname? I found out that there was a Székely noble family with the exact same surname, they were primors, the highest rank among Székely nobility. It's possible that you have Székely ancestry from your mother as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primor

[paradox]

My father's

Target: Father
Distance: 2.4987% / 2.49869693
46.2 North_Euro
36.3 South_Euro
11.4 Caucasus-Iran
6.1 Near_Eastern

[bained]

Target: BaiNed
Distance: 3.4286% / 3.42858576
42.6 North_Euro
42.5 South_Euro
10.2 Caucasus-Iran
4.7 Near_Eastern

Friends and family get 0.85 to 2.0 distance :confused:

[cakmir7y]

Pretty close to Slovak/Czech averages

Target: cakmir7y(czech)
Distance: 2.4198% / 2.41982628
71.6 North_Euro
21.3 South_Euro
5.3 Caucasus-Iran
1.8 Near_Eastern


Distance to: cakmir7y(czech)
21.61876731 North_Euro:la_Brana_WHG_
25.44562045 North_Euro:Villabruna_WHG_
26.17346175 North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
32.76127897 North_Euro:I0124_Russia_Samara_EHG_7549_ybp
34.13354069 North_Euro:UzOO77_new_Russia_EHG_5250_ybp
41.33692901 Siberian-Amerindian:Ma’lta_South_Central0Siberia_22_000_BC
44.32076714 Siberian-Amerindian:MA1_Russia_MA1_HG.SG_24305_ybp
46.05027579 North_Euro:I0211_Russia_Karelia_HG_8280_ybp
47.13812576 Siberian-Amerindian:AfontovaGora3_Russia_AfontovaGora3_1793 0_ybp
62.47830664 South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
66.33011533 South_Euro:I1880_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp
67.17908231 South_Euro:I1097_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp
67.43363849 Near_Eastern:Natufian_merged_M041601_
70.72241229 Near_Eastern:I1072_Israel_Raqefet_M_Natufian_12750 _ybp
88.65336767 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias_CHG_
90.94427745 Caucasus-Iran:Satsurblia_CHG_
93.69128561 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias2_5700_BC
94.57390496 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp

[17571imre]

I didn't know that you had Székely ancestry on your father's side. :thumb001:

Btw, remember when we talked about your mom's surname? I found out that there was a Székely noble family with the exact same surname, they were primors, the highest rank among Székely nobility. It's possible that you have Székely ancestry from your mother as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primor

Thankyou Kökény! very intresting :) i am still not sure whats the diffrence between Székely and a Hungarian from Transylvania? maybe you or Feiichy can explain it for me?

[Kökény]

Thankyou Kökény! very intresting :) i am still not sure whats the diffrence between Székely and a Hungarian from Transylvania? maybe you or Feiichy can explain it for me?
Not much, really. Both Székelys and Transylvanian Hungarians are closely related to each other. I know it's a bit confusing, but I'll try to explain it.

Think of Székelys and the rest of Hungarians like Austrians and Germans. Both are closely related and have similar cultures, speak a similar (or the same) language but Austrians still have their own identity/history/symbols/cuisine and so on. Székelys are just like that. Their unique identity and customs makes them different from other Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin.

We have a saying that goes like this: "Every Székely is a Hungarian, but not every Hungarian is a Székely".
It means that only people who have ancestry from the region called Székely Land can be considered as a Székely, while every Székely is a Hungarian by blood. I hope this helps. :)

[Nurzat]

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 228.6709% / 2.28670940
58.2 North_Euro
28.4 South_Euro
13.4 Caucasus-Iran

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Target: Fellow
Distance: 293.1805% / 2.93180461
50.6 North_Euro
41.4 South_Euro
8.0 Caucasus-Iran

Target: FellowGF
Distance: 250.3229% / 2.50322854
49.6 North_Euro
38.8 South_Euro
11.6 Caucasus-Iran

[Ion Basescul]

Target: IonBasescul_MyHeritage
Distance: 2.7201% / 2.72009774
57.8 North_Euro
28.6 South_Euro
13.1 Caucasus-Iran
0.5 Near_Eastern


Target: IonBasescul_Merged
Distance: 3.1391% / 3.13914045
59.1 North_Euro
27.9 South_Euro
11.6 Caucasus-Iran
1.4 Near_Eastern

+family

Target: IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage
Distance: 2.2835% / 2.28354053
57.6 North_Euro
29.2 South_Euro
13.2 Caucasus-Iran

Target: IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage
Distance: 3.8859% / 3.88593860
61.1 North_Euro
28.0 South_Euro
10.9 Caucasus-Iran

Target: IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage
Distance: 2.0271% / 2.02711019
58.6 North_Euro
27.7 South_Euro
13.7 Caucasus-Iran


+other Apricity members from Moldova

Target: superjelly40_23andme
Distance: 4.5816% / 4.58162741
55.9 North_Euro
28.5 South_Euro
12.0 Caucasus-Iran
2.5 Siberian-Amerindian
1.1 Near_Eastern

Target: Zmey_Gorynych_?
Distance: 2.7276% / 2.72755916
58.9 North_Euro
26.0 South_Euro
11.2 Caucasus-Iran
3.9 Near_Eastern

[Gergő Marosvári]

Target: Gergő
Distance: 3.3214% / 3.32141802
66.6 North_Euro
24.7 South_Euro
7.2 Caucasus-Iran
1.5 Siberian-Amerindian


Target: Ilona
Distance: 0.8270% / 0.82701534
67.2 North_Euro
20.9 South_Euro
6.0 Siberian-Amerindian !!!
5.1 Caucasus-Iran
0.8 Near_Eastern

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes you're right about it not working for Northwest Euros. Distances are huge for me. Yamnaya or Bell Beakers would make all the difference.

Target: Grace
Distance: 1712.5437% / 17.12543688
78.0 North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
14.8 South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
7.2 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp

Distance to: Grace
24.49352976 North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
24.86944511 North_Euro:Villabruna_WHG_
24.97696539 North_Euro:la_Brana_WHG_
49.99072214 North_Euro:I0124_Russia_Samara_EHG_7549_ybp
51.71203052 North_Euro:UzOO77_new_Russia_EHG_5250_ybp
57.86958787 Siberian-Amerindian:Ma’lta_South_Central0Siberia_22_000_BC
60.74951934 Siberian-Amerindian:MA1_Russia_MA1_HG.SG_24305_ybp
65.13364875 Siberian-Amerindian:AfontovaGora3_Russia_AfontovaGora3_1793 0_ybp
65.64379940 North_Euro:I0211_Russia_Karelia_HG_8280_ybp
72.06590387 South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
76.89586010 South_Euro:I1880_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp
77.96064263 South_Euro:I1097_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp
78.01380455 Near_Eastern:Natufian_merged_M041601_
80.72570285 Near_Eastern:I1072_Israel_Raqefet_M_Natufian_12750 _ybp
91.90945925 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias_CHG_
94.15575235 Caucasus-Iran:Satsurblia_CHG_
96.43205121 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias2_5700_BC
97.21533110 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp

[MandM]

I would say am closest to Montenegro and Romania, There Near_Eastern is just more % than mine, am closer to Serbia i that one
Target: Milenko
Distance: 171.5367% / 1.71536720
51.6 North_Euro
36.6 South_Euro
11.2 Caucasus-Iran
0.6 Near_Eastern

[Jana]

Yes you're right about it not working for Northwest Euros. Distances are huge for me. Yamnaya or Bell Beakers would make all the difference.

Target: Grace
Distance: 1712.5437% / 17.12543688
78.0 North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
14.8 South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
7.2 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp

Distance to: Grace
24.49352976 North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
24.86944511 North_Euro:Villabruna_WHG_
24.97696539 North_Euro:la_Brana_WHG_
49.99072214 North_Euro:I0124_Russia_Samara_EHG_7549_ybp
51.71203052 North_Euro:UzOO77_new_Russia_EHG_5250_ybp
57.86958787 Siberian-Amerindian:Ma’lta_South_Central0Siberia_22_000_BC
60.74951934 Siberian-Amerindian:MA1_Russia_MA1_HG.SG_24305_ybp
65.13364875 Siberian-Amerindian:AfontovaGora3_Russia_AfontovaGora3_1793 0_ybp
65.64379940 North_Euro:I0211_Russia_Karelia_HG_8280_ybp
72.06590387 South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
76.89586010 South_Euro:I1880_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp
77.96064263 South_Euro:I1097_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp
78.01380455 Near_Eastern:Natufian_merged_M041601_
80.72570285 Near_Eastern:I1072_Israel_Raqefet_M_Natufian_12750 _ybp
91.90945925 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias_CHG_
94.15575235 Caucasus-Iran:Satsurblia_CHG_
96.43205121 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias2_5700_BC
97.21533110 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp

Yeah, maybe because it doesn't register EHG for western Europeans. We obviously have some eastern specific drift these components capture but in others they don't.
I don't like to use steppe though, because these are heavily mixed components. Goal was to break down ancestry to most basal components possible, but even that is not possible because WHG, ANE, EHG are mixed too.
Everything is a mix of something :D

But still, I must be honest, I do not get why it doesn't work for non central/se Euros. Pretty impossible you have no EHG, isn't it?
For south Euros distances are increasing as well as for deep NE ones.

It's a mystery and some explanation would be welcome.

[Jana]

Target: Gergő
Distance: 3.3214% / 3.32141802
66.6 North_Euro
24.7 South_Euro
7.2 Caucasus-Iran
1.5 Siberian-Amerindian


Target: Ilona
Distance: 0.8270% / 0.82701534
67.2 North_Euro
20.9 South_Euro
6.0 Siberian-Amerindian !!!
5.1 Caucasus-Iran
0.8 Near_Eastern

Grandma has lot of extra ANE, interesting.

[Jana]

Target: Universe
Distance: 3.5195% / 3.51945031
70.8 North_Euro
21.5 South_Euro
4.2 Near_Eastern
3.5 Caucasus-Iran



Distance to: Universe
23.68957155 North_Euro:la_Brana_WHG_
27.58061457 North_Euro:Villabruna_WHG_
28.30282318 North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
31.48320663 North_Euro:I0124_Russia_Samara_EHG_7549_ybp
32.83871952 North_Euro:UzOO77_new_Russia_EHG_5250_ybp
40.81413481 Siberian-Amerindian:Ma’lta_South_Central0Siberia_22_000_BC
43.70580968 North_Euro:I0211_Russia_Karelia_HG_8280_ybp
43.78581163 Siberian-Amerindian:MA1_Russia_MA1_HG.SG_24305_ybp
46.04894353 Siberian-Amerindian:AfontovaGora3_Russia_AfontovaGora3_1793 0_ybp
61.60553141 South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
65.54277611 South_Euro:I1880_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp
65.84785114 Near_Eastern:Natufian_merged_M041601_
66.07995611 South_Euro:I1097_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp
68.56503409 Near_Eastern:I1072_Israel_Raqefet_M_Natufian_12750 _ybp
89.74647681 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias_CHG_
91.93717257 Caucasus-Iran:Satsurblia_CHG_
94.83020352 Caucasus-Iran:Kotias2_5700_BC
95.72572486 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp


This is also interesting, again registers extra MENA like quality in you, despite you are probably most northern shifted Hungarian user.

[Ion Basescul]

+family

Target: IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage
Distance: 2.2835% / 2.28354053
57.6 North_Euro
29.2 South_Euro
13.2 Caucasus-Iran

Target: IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage
Distance: 3.8859% / 3.88593860
61.1 North_Euro
28.0 South_Euro
10.9 Caucasus-Iran

Target: IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage
Distance: 2.0271% / 2.02711019
58.6 North_Euro
27.7 South_Euro
13.7 Caucasus-Iran


+other Apricity members from Moldova

Target: superjelly40_23andme
Distance: 4.5816% / 4.58162741
55.9 North_Euro
28.5 South_Euro
12.0 Caucasus-Iran
2.5 Siberian-Amerindian
1.1 Near_Eastern

Target: Zmey_Gorynych_?
Distance: 2.7276% / 2.72755916
58.9 North_Euro
26.0 South_Euro
11.2 Caucasus-Iran
3.9 Near_Eastern

+some Reddit users from Moldova

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/mcjxnl/born_in_moldova_updated_results/gs5z6d7/

Target: Moldova_18_Drochia
Distance: 4.1529% / 4.15292469
57.7 North_Euro
26.8 South_Euro
9.4 Caucasus-Iran
6.1 Near_Eastern

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/mgzcf3/moldovan_living_in_moldova/

Target: Moldova_142_Hincesti
Distance: 7.3209% / 7.32086203
54.6 North_Euro
31.0 South_Euro
11.8 Caucasus-Iran
2.6 Near_Eastern

Not sure why it fails for the second one. Low West Med maybe?

20.84,33.29,12.22,10.70,19.69,0,0.38,2.18,0.24,0.2 5,0.22,0,0

[Lemminkäinen]

Yeah, maybe because it doesn't register EHG for western Europeans. We obviously have some eastern specific drift these components capture but in others they don't.
I don't like to use steppe though, because these are heavily mixed components. Goal was to break down ancestry to most basal components possible, but even that is not possible because WHG, ANE, EHG are mixed too.
Everything is a mix of something :D

But still, I must be honest, I do not get why it doesn't work for non central/se Euros. Pretty impossible you have no EHG, isn't it?
For south Euros distances are increasing as well as for deep NE ones.

It's a mystery and some explanation would be welcome.

It is likely because the Eurogenes K13 gives a strick distribution between East and West Mediterraneans based on very recent references. it is possible to get more accurate results for NW Europeans using dedicated Neolithic samples from SE and SW Europe, but the quality depends on the modern drift.

[Petalpusher]

You would need some decently high ancient peaks for each 13 components or so for it to produce good distances all around. I ve tried many times some ancient modeling in K13/K15, it's always hit or miss. Just the fact ancient WHGs appears more or less half N.Atlantic/Baltic is gonna make things difficult, as you always play with half peaks.


2 extremes with the dataset i tried to build a while ago, even with a lot of selected samples:


Target: Scottish
Distance: 12.3581% / 12.35808316
64.6 Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
29.2 I5358_Neolithic_Wales_5kya_
4.8 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp
1.4 EarlyNeolithicIran_I1290_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_817907613

Target: Romania_average
Distance: 1.1037% / 1.10373303
39.0 I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
26.0 Motala012_5000_BC
18.5 Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
12.2 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp
1.7 Near_Eastern:I1072_Israel_Raqefet_M_Natufian_12750 _ybp
1.4 Tianyuan_China_Tianyuan_39475_ybp
1.2 AfontovaGora3_AfontovaGora2

Works great for Romania, fails miserably for Scottish. Still expected as it's a calculator sourced on moderns.

[Petalpusher]

DP

[rothaer]

Target: rothaer
Distance: 494.7235% / 4.94723550
78.6 North_Euro
15.4 South_Euro
5.2 Caucasus-Iran
0.8 Near_Eastern

[noricum]

Noricum(austrian)
69.1 North_Euro
24.5 South_Euro
4.4 Caucasus-Iran
1.7 Siberian-Amerindian
0.3 Near_Eastern

noricum_halfbro(austrian)
73.9 North_Euro
21.7 South_Euro
3.8 Caucasus-Iran
0.6 Near_Eastern

noricum_inlaw(austrian)
58.6 North_Euro
31.5 South_Euro
9.9 Caucasus-Iran

[calxpal]

I was tempted to try it =)

Target: cpal
Distance: 560.7716% / 5.60771597
67.4 North_Euro:I0001_Luxembourg_Loschbour_8050_ybp
23.2 South_Euro:I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
7.6 Caucasus-Iran:KK1_Georgia_Kotias.SG_9720_ybp
1.8 Near_Eastern:Natufian_merged_M041601_

[chrisbab]

Target: chrisbabmomk13
Distance: 6.5725% / 6.57247484
51.5 North_Euro
31.2 South_Euro
11.7 Near_Eastern
5.6 Caucasus-Iran

Target: chrisbabdadk13
Distance: 5.0023% / 5.00226527
44.1 North_Euro
41.8 South_Euro
12.5 Caucasus-Iran
1.6 Near_Eastern

Target: chrisbabk13
Distance: 7.3291% / 7.32908850
44.4 North_Euro
35.1 South_Euro
11.5 Near_Eastern
9.0 Caucasus-Iran

[Polak]

Target: Polak
Distance: 4.1794% / 4.17943896
85.0 North_Euro
13.1 South_Euro
1.9 Caucasus-Iran

[Polak]

Target: Polak
Distance: 4.1794% / 4.17943896
85.0 North_Euro
13.1 South_Euro
1.9 Caucasus-Iran

[MandM]

Target: wify
Distance: 315.7967% / 3.15796689
54.4 North_Euro
33.6 South_Euro
12.0 Caucasus-Iran

Target: Milenko
Distance: 167.4700% / 1.67469976
51.6 North_Euro
37.4 South_Euro
11.0 Caucasus-Iran

[Ford]

Target: Ford
Distance: 290.9282% / 2.90928150
59.0 North_Euro
32.2 South_Euro
8.8 Caucasus-Iran