Who is more native to Israel/Palestine, Palestinians or Jews?

[Kross]

I'd like to know who's more native genetically since there's an ongoing war there right now .

I'm not so familiar with genetics so I'd like you to show me, thanks.

[wvwvw]

You could just bump up one of the past 1000 related threads.

[Linebacker]

Palestinians but it matters little.

The right of conquest is fact. If they couldn't defend their land then it shouldn't be theirs.

[Petalpusher]

Debatable


https://i.imgur.com/YOBagV8.jpg

[Hamilcar]

Debatable





There is no debate palestinians and especially christian palestinians are closer to almost all BA/IA southern levantines than ashkenazi/sephardi jews.

[Hamilcar]

Palestinians but it matters little.

The right of conquest is fact. If they couldn't defend their land then it shouldn't be theirs.

So killing children, using white phosphorus against civilians, treating palestinians like second-class citizen, etc doesn't matter it's right of conquest right ? Is it right of conquest when Western europe is filled with blacks, pakistanis, north africans, syrians, afghans, etc ?

[Hamilcar]

double

[Linebacker]

So killing children, using white phosphorus against civilians, treating palestinians like second-class citizen, etc doesn't matter it's right of conquest right ? Is it right of conquest when Western europe is filled with blacks, pakistanis, north africans, syrians, afghans, etc ?

Yes and Yes.

The strong survive and the weak die.

[Hamilcar]

Yes and Yes.

Good I therefore consider myself indigenous to western europe.

[Linebacker]

Good I therefore consider myself indigenous to western europe.

You will be the real Western European in around 100-200 years.

[Hamilcar]

You will be the real Western European in around 100-200 years.

where I live most people are north african therefore we're already indigenous

[Avicenna]

Good I therefore consider myself indigenous to western europe.

Lmao brb ima claim the pontic steppes as my rightful land by birth and lineage , R1a stronkkkk

[Jaromir]

the Balts, give us back our land

[Petalpusher]

There is no debate palestinians and especially christian palestinians are closer to almost all BA/IA southern levantines than ashkenazi/sephardi jews.

I have little interest this war but still think it's more complicated than that, on different levels. The birth of Jews as a people in that land, a real group, is indisputable, even if at a later date. Those who came back more recently are indeed too "Euro" to qualify and certainly if we go only by the rights of longstanding presence, then that would be Palestinians, but it's not like Jews were never there either.

Going by neolithic, Sardinians could claim the whole Turkish territory, i would agree that wouldn't make much sense.

Still not as clear as you claim, depends on the period

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0dd4c4b173e7703187337ad160a55277

[Cristiano viejo]

Obviously Palestinians. Jews are natives to Poland, Russia, in a lesser extent Germany, etc.

[Hamilcar]

I have little interest this war but still think it's more complicated than that, on different levels. The birth of Jews as a people in that land, a real group, is indisputable, even if at a later date. Those who came back more recently are indeed too "Euro" to qualify and certainly if we go only by the rights of longstanding presence, then that would be Palestinians, but it's not like Jews were never there either.

Going by neolithic, Sardinians could claim the whole Turkish territory, i would agree that wouldn't make much sense.

Still not as clear as you claim, depends on the period

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0dd4c4b173e7703187337ad160a55277


And that most converts were born in Europe is also indisputable. The question is simply who is more native therefore if we go by genetics then it's palestinians that's it. The same way modern canarians are not native to the canary islands despite some of them having guanche ancestors and identifying as berbers.

[Tooting Carmen]

Obviously Palestinians. Jews are natives to Poland, Russia, in a lesser extent Germany, etc.

Then how come you always say they aren't White? Anyway, as Petalpusher has inferred, the answer is neither (at least not 100%). Most Jews have heavy Euro admixture (not surprising, given their history), while many if not most Palestinians have Gulf Arab, Egyptian and even sometimes Black African admixture.

[Petalpusher]

Then how come you always say they aren't White? Anyway, as Petalpusher has inferred, the answer is neither (at least not 100%). Most Jews have heavy Euro admixture (not surprising, given their history), while many if not most Palestinians have Gulf Arab, Egyptian and even sometimes Black African admixture.

I would say both rather, for different reasons all things considered, but that's more an opinion. People tend to always rally the weaks, im trying to see it detached of any affect.

[Diego Garcia]

The Palestinians, obviously. And among them there were individuals belonging to muslim religion, jewish religion and christian religion.

The newcomers to Palestine from the 50s on were exogene to those territories, they were just jews from different countries, being jewish a religion and not an ethnic group, so no linking or very scarcely to those lands.

I wonder what have to do a Pole, a Russian, a Ucranian, a German, an English, a French, etc. of jewish religion with a Palestinian living in those lands for ages.

[Tooting Carmen]

I would say both rather, for different reasons all things considered, but that's more an opinion. People tend to always rally the weaks, im trying to see it detached of any affect.

Migration and mixing are an integral part of humanity everywhere, although of course in some places and groups more than others (e.g. Northeast Asia vs Latin America).

[Ion Basescul]

Leave it to Apricity to determine who's native to the land by invoking genetics.

[Hamilcar]

Then how come you always say they aren't White? Anyway, as Petalpusher has inferred, the answer is neither (at least not 100%). Most Jews have heavy Euro admixture (not surprising, given their history), while many if not most Palestinians have Gulf Arab, Egyptian and even sometimes Black African admixture.

sorry mate but bronze/iron age levantines were already similar to modern palestinians. Also historically arabs have always been part of the levant and contacts with egypt have almost always been intense.

[RogueState]

Are there samples of actual Jews from the Antiquity ? Just to compare who is closer nowadays

[Dušan]

Jews are natives to Poland, Russia, in a lesser extent Germany, etc.

???

These from Slavic countries are not converted Slavs to Judaism.

[Kross]

And that most converts were born in Europe is also indisputable. The question is simply who is more native therefore if we go by genetics then it's palestinians that's it. The same way modern canarians are not native to the canary islands despite some of them having guanche ancestors and identifying as berbers.


Obviously Palestinians. Jews are natives to Poland, Russia, in a lesser extent Germany, etc.


???

These from Slavic countries are not converted Slavs to Judaism.
Jews claim being 100% West Asian and they hate White/European people. Maybe they're native to West Asia too?

https://i.imgur.com/Es9zKRf.jpg

[happycow]

Palestinian Christians.

[Flashball]

Druze, because Palestinian have subsaharian imput (red= subsaharian)
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alexander-Peltzer-2/publication/317237154/figure/fig3/AS:499733124456450@1496157069792/Principal-component-analysis-and-genetic-clustering-of-genome-wide-DNA-from-three.png

[XenophobicPrussian]

Palestinians are obviously more native than Ashkenazi Jews, but the Samaritans(most native of all) should kick the Palestinians out as well. Iraqi Jews also probably have a better claim than Palestinians, but other MENA Jews like Yemenite, Iranian and North African are likely too mixed.

Also, it's very, very possible Ashkenazi Jews will have higher IBD sharing with ancient Palestinians/Judeans if Palestinians have more outside of Palestine Arab ancestry than Ashkenazis have European. A lot of Arabs did move around during Islamic conquests, the Islamic Caliphates, even later during the Kingdom of Egypt(likely how they got their SSA) and Ottoman Empire, but I would doubt it and later Arab admixture is probably much less than European admixture in Ashkenazis. We also know Bedouins are rather new comers to Palestine. I wouldn't say that matters though anyway, because overall genetic similarity is more important. I would say the French have a better claim to Spain than Mexicans, even though Spanish and Mexicans share more IBD together than Spanish do to French.