Map of Europe showing WHG, Baltic HG, Yamnaya and Neolithic ancestry

[Nurzat]

experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

(Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

straight outta Paint xD


TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972 329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524 476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.0837 92,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.0128 13
Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048


https://i.imgur.com/ySUjFu5.png

[Nurzat]

a good run for me, as it shows me quite similar to French Seine-Maritime :coffee:


Target: Nurzat
Distance: 4.0806% / 0.04080571
45.0 TUR_Barcin_N
42.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.8 Han

Target: French_Seine-Maritime
Distance: 4.0079% / 0.04007897
44.2 TUR_Barcin_N
42.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
4.2 WHG

[Hektor12]

it shows me quite similar to French Seine-Maritime :coffee:Achievement unlocked :thumb001:

[J.S.]

Target: J.S.
Distance: 6.1044% / 0.06104397
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
33.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.0 WHG

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 4.8208% / 0.04820809
48.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.6 WHG
6.4 Baltic_LVA_HG

[Nurzat]

Target: J.S.
Distance: 6.1044% / 0.06104397
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
33.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.0 WHG

looks like southwest France. nice WHG score!


Target: French_Occitanie
Distance: 3.4177% / 0.03417735
50.4 TUR_Barcin_N
36.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6 WHG

[Nurzat]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 4.8208% / 0.04820809
48.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.6 WHG
6.4 Baltic_LVA_HG

very Irish score, with slightly higher Baltic HG

Target: Irish
Distance: 4.9115% / 0.04911476
49.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
2.8 Baltic_LVA_HG

[J. Ketch]

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 5.7438% / 0.05743781
45.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.2 TUR_Barcin_N
12.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
5.4 WHG

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 3.9664% / 0.03966390
43.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.4 TUR_Barcin_N
16.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.0 WHG

Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 5.9910% / 0.05991048
46.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.6 TUR_Barcin_N
10.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
7.2 WHG

[J.S.]

very Irish score, with slightly higher Baltic HG

Target: Irish
Distance: 4.9115% / 0.04911476
49.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
2.8 Baltic_LVA_HG

I just wondered if Grace profile was typical Irish-like or not.

[Nurzat]

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 5.7438% / 0.05743781
45.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.2 TUR_Barcin_N
12.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
5.4 WHG

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 3.9664% / 0.03966390
43.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.4 TUR_Barcin_N
16.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.0 WHG

Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 5.9910% / 0.05991048
46.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.6 TUR_Barcin_N
10.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
7.2 WHG


interestingly that is very similar to Scottish and Orcadian (northern-shifted English/Irish mix?)

Target: Orcadian
Distance: 4.5898% / 0.04589784
45.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.6 TUR_Barcin_N
10.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
6.6 WHG

Target: Scottish
Distance: 4.7207% / 0.04720674
45.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
6.0 WHG

[JamesBond007]

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 4.3533% / 0.04353254
47.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.8 TUR_Barcin_N
10.4 WHG
5.2 Baltic_LVA_HG


Target: Irish
Distance: 4.9115% / 0.04911476
49.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
2.8 Baltic_LVA_HG


^Sorry, it is an interesting model but perhaps it is too ambitious for modern populations ? It has me closer to the Irish than the Dutch/British it seems to me:

Modern averages scaled :

Distance to: kevin_scaled
0.02865262 Dutch
0.02966312 Norwegian
0.03097093 Welsh

[MandM]

So what am i close to ?

Target: Milenko
Distance: 3.2044% / 0.03204363
49.4 TUR_Barcin_N
43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.6 Baltic_LVA_HG

[J. Ketch]

interestingly that is very similar to Scottish and Orcadian (northern-shifted English/Irish mix?)

Target: Orcadian
Distance: 4.5898% / 0.04589784
45.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.6 TUR_Barcin_N
10.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
6.6 WHG

Target: Scottish
Distance: 4.7207% / 0.04720674
45.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
6.0 WHG
Exactly, half English/Irish is practically pseudo-Scottish.

[JamesBond007]

Exactly, half English/Irish is practically pseudo-Scottish.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/m_l3K7ne6THXpKo0JXt_5i9kD4dXqxOrQrfVqi6cIdNmpG9UTP XflbTuAWGEBqU1IsRI9uvsjJlFDjjp8j3UPnsedBHMJDl2ODpY X6RpRRGXgxkmvZD67QENC3hLPwaAdChWLAe64razKpkfRkXuez iF2YHndnUW

[Nurzat]

So what am i close to ?

Target: Milenko
Distance: 3.2044% / 0.03204363
49.4 TUR_Barcin_N
43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.6 Baltic_LVA_HG

4% higher Yamnaya and 4% lower Baltic than the average, in the end your Yamnaya plus Baltic is 50% the same, so your total northeast Euro is the same, you may be on the higher end of Serbs regarding Yamnaya and on the lower end regarding Baltic, while Neolithic is in the average for Serbs. not far from me either

Distance to: Milenko
6.30396700 Nurzat
7.09224929 French_Alsace
7.14002801 French_Nord
7.18609769 French_Seine-Maritime
7.70324607 Macedonian:East2
7.76144316 Montenegrin
7.93851371 Macedonian:East1
8.43326746 Swiss_German
9.88230742 Belgian
9.97597113 Italian_Northeast
10.42688832 Austrian
11.14271062 Afrikaner
11.32872455 Hungarian
11.43940558 Slovenian
11.80847154 Croatian
11.94738465 English_Cornwall
12.51958466 Welsh
12.63645520 German
12.72870771 French_Brittany
12.84601105 English
12.97150724 Bosnian
13.25971342 French_Provence
13.48851363 Scottish
13.89820132 Orcadian
13.95492745 Italian_Aosta_Valley
13.99428455 Serbian
14.30594282 Dutch
14.54441474 Italian_Veneto
14.64581852 French_Auvergne
14.65673906 Swiss_French

[J. Ketch]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/m_l3K7ne6THXpKo0JXt_5i9kD4dXqxOrQrfVqi6cIdNmpG9UTP XflbTuAWGEBqU1IsRI9uvsjJlFDjjp8j3UPnsedBHMJDl2ODpY X6RpRRGXgxkmvZD67QENC3hLPwaAdChWLAe64razKpkfRkXuez iF2YHndnUW
Don't start with the Saturday Night Live references, it never aired here.

[vbnetkhio]

experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

(Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

straight outta Paint xD


TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972 329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524 476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.0837 92,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.0128 13
Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048


https://i.imgur.com/ySUjFu5.png

I have some constructive criticism. Baltic HG is interfering with the steppe here. It would be better to remove it, use Grotta Constinenza Meso for WHG and add Afontova Gora for any extra ANE.

Target: Polish
Distance: 6.2484% / 0.06248407
52.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso

[JamesBond007]

Don't start with the Saturday Night Live references, it never aired here.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/42/65/284265e3bc12ddf840d4dbc51d169ac8.gif

https://www.google.com/search?q=irnbru+if+it+ain%27t+scottish+its+crap&tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=1oifYPnXIsPT5NoPpd28iAM&oq=irnbru+if+it+ain%27t+scottish+its+crap&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIECB4QCjoCCCk 6BQgAELEDOgIIADoICAAQsQMQgwE6BAgAEA06BQghEKsCUJUNW J62AWDwvAFoBHAAeAaAAfIIiAGqTpIBEDIyLjMuNi4wLjIuNC4 xLjKYAQCgAQGwAQU&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img#imgrc=4y0bpKq6TBofKM

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 4.8451% / 0.04845116
42.2 TUR_Barcin_N
39.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Hungary
42 Neolithic
41 Yamnaya
16 Baltic

[J. Ketch]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/42/65/284265e3bc12ddf840d4dbc51d169ac8.gif

https://www.google.com/search?q=irnbru+if+it+ain%27t+scottish+its+crap&tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=1oifYPnXIsPT5NoPpd28iAM&oq=irnbru+if+it+ain%27t+scottish+its+crap&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIECB4QCjoCCCk 6BQgAELEDOgIIADoICAAQsQMQgwE6BAgAEA06BQghEKsCUJUNW J62AWDwvAFoBHAAeAaAAfIIiAGqTpIBEDIyLjMuNi4wLjIuNC4 xLjKYAQCgAQGwAQU&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img#imgrc=4y0bpKq6TBofKM
Have you ever had it? Or Tunnocks? They are kind of crrrap. Walker's shortbread is nice though and McVities bickies are serviceable.

[IceQueen]

Target: IceQueen_scaled
Distance: 5.7346% / 0.05734579
48.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.4 WHG
1.6 Baltic_LVA_HG

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I'm also 50-50 here

Target: Fellow_scaled
Distance: 3.5162% / 0.03516184
39.0 TUR_Barcin_N
36.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
10.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0 Han
0.8 Mbuti

[michal3141]

Target: michal3141
Distance: 5.2566% / 0.05256624
43.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
33.8 TUR_Barcin_N
22.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.8 Han

[grabielx]

Target: Grabiel_scaled
Distance: 3.1458% / 0.03145757
34.0 TUR_Barcin_N
31.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.2 WHG


without Tepecik_Ciftlik

Target: Grabiel_scaled
Distance: 3.2854% / 0.03285404
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
31.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
4.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.0 Levant_PPNB

[Ion Basescul]

Target: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 3.6601% / 0.03660065
44.6 TUR_Barcin_N
40.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
3.4 Han

[Gergő Marosvári]

Target: Marosvari_scaled
Distance: 5.1028% / 0.05102784
41.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.6 TUR_Barcin_N
17.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.2 MAR_Taforalt

Very similiar to the average Hungarian results from the map. :)

[Ion Basescul]

experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

(Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

straight outta Paint xD


TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972 329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524 476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.0837 92,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.0128 13
Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048


https://i.imgur.com/ySUjFu5.png

What is the point of manipulating the data for small percentages? It looks like for Moldova you fed Han to Baltic HG and then slapped another 1% on Yamnaya because why not. That's why it adds to 101%.

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern-scaled-averages.htm

Target: Moldovan
Distance: 3.7106% / 0.03710554
38.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.0 TUR_Barcin_N
20.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
12.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.2 Han

[paradox]

Target: scaled
Distance: 2.9650% / 0.02964979
49.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
3.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.2 Han

------------------

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 4.3331% / 0.04333077
36.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
31.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
23.8 TUR_Barcin_N
8.2 Baltic_LVA_HG

[Rethel]

What is it this Baltic HG? The Narva?

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.9138% / 0.03913813
47.6 TUR_Barcin_N
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.6 Dinka
0.6 Yoruba

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 3.8668% / 0.03866816
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
7.8 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 Gambian

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 3.8300% / 0.03829979
51.8 TUR_Barcin_N
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 WHG
3.8 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 Dinka

[J.S.]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.9138% / 0.03913813
47.6 TUR_Barcin_N
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.6 Dinka
0.6 Yoruba

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 3.8668% / 0.03866816
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
7.8 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 Gambian

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 3.8300% / 0.03829979
51.8 TUR_Barcin_N
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 WHG
3.8 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 Dinka

I' like to see, how score Bronze and Iron Age Iberian samples. Some French ones score more than 2% MAR_Taforalt.

[aherne]

25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo:)

Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:

- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected since pre-Italic times (hence Meds, Alpines, Dinarics and even Armenoids pretty much everywhere)

[Nurzat]

What is the point of manipulating the data for small percentages? It looks like for Moldova you fed Han to Baltic HG and then slapped another 1% on Yamnaya because why not. That's why it adds to 101%.

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern-scaled-averages.htm

Target: Moldovan
Distance: 3.7106% / 0.03710554
38.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.0 TUR_Barcin_N
20.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
12.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.2 Han

nope, there's Moldova and Moldova outliers, and the former is southern Moldovans afaik in G25, so the result is southern-shifted anyway, plus, I only show those 4 components, not any other one, some add to 98 some to less, as I cannot show the 22 components in the map, it is to show these 4 main sources of ancestry, which actually is 3 strong sources for almost all populations, individually anyone can check anything, you have the calc in the OP, the map is to show general tendencies, for Moldovans an average would probably be slughtly more northenrn than that with better sampling. 1% lower or highers is ridiculous to talk about, not the point of the map, it is about general picture, not individual populations, on which it is relevant where the highest and the lowest % are found on the continent (Basques, Sardinians, Balts for example)

[Nurzat]

25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo:)

Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:

- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), but the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected.

well, it is Eurogenes calculator to which I added 5 more sources, it's totally experimental and on that calc Finns do score that Barcin percentage, I wonder if Barcin has some HG into it, relic from earlier Pinarbasi population. also, it's not to be taken overly serious, I was more interested in seeing excess WHG and excess EHG (additional to what Yamnaya-derived migrants brought to Europe), and overall I think it does show that

[aherne]

What is it this Baltic HG? The Narva?

It is just bullshit:D

[Coastal Elite]

Odd that my mom has less Yamnaya than me

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 3.1989% / 0.03198941
46.8 TUR_Barcin_N
43.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8 Baltic_LVA_HG

Target: Daco_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.1496% / 0.05149614
43.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.8 TUR_Barcin_N
19.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

[grabielx]

25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo:)

Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:

- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected since pre-Italic times (hence Meds, Alpines, Dinarics and even Armenoids pretty much everywhere)

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG

Southern Italy is the textbook example of push and pull. Most of the Yamna is Italic or Germanic.

[Nurzat]

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG

Southern Italy is the text-book example of push and pull. Most of the Yamna is Italic or Germanic.

I wonder if the Yamnaya score in Syrians comes from crusaders or from Iranics (Kurds). people are too concentrated on populations, this is to show some tendencies across the continent, not how much some population scores, anyone can check that in details with the sources in the OP and the G25 sheets on vahaduo, it is obvious these components don't come on most from direct ancestry from these populations but after thousands of years of constant population displacement and throughout the time the percentages moved back and forth on the map, with populations, imagine how Romania's territory looked for a thousand years of Turkic successive peopling, of which little is left now. so people are just reading it wrong

[Nurzat]

It is just bullshit:D

you ask too much from one amateur take I did, it's not a scientific paper, lol, and it is mostly the calculator that Eurogenes used as standard for the Global25 coordinates, I didn't imvent it. then, look, Wikipedia says some 10% Neolithic genes made it even to Lapps:

"The "Nganassan" autosomic component now makes up more than 25% in the Sámi, but was 50% in the 3500-year old Kola population. The Mesolithic "Western European Hunter-Gatherer" (WHG) component is close to 15%, while that of the Neolithic "European early farmer" (LBK) is 10%. 50% is the Bronze Age "Yamna" component."

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15183177 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20688415 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.20994545 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.21790130 TUR_Barcin_N
0.26144270 Levant_PPNB
0.27261964 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.33215023 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.33306373 WHG
0.38540696 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.46495157 Jarawa
0.48349269 MAR_Taforalt
0.61751779 Han
0.61816062 Nganassan
0.62589667 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
0.66704718 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67753663 ETH_4500BP
0.73679247 Dinka
0.75178874 Gambian
0.77737849 Yoruba
0.81367517 Papuan
0.94024161 Ju_hoan_North
0.95580437 Mbuti

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.3260% / 0.05326037
44.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.4 TUR_Barcin_N
17.2 Baltic_LVA_HG

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Target: Notjew_scaled
Distance: 5.1341% / 0.05134079
43.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.4 TUR_Barcin_N
18.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.6 Han
1.2 Levant_PPNB

If you’re not as Aryan as me you’re not white

[Dunai]

Target: Dunai
Distance: 3.1114% / 0.03111400
41.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.6 TUR_Barcin_N
15.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.2 Han

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo:)

Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:

- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected since pre-Italic times (hence Meds, Alpines, Dinarics and even Armenoids pretty much everywhere)

Why does Corded not match what we know Yamnaya looked like? Yamnaya were dark haired, dark eyed, and had darker skin than todays Europeans. They were also tall and robust not progressive like Corded.

[happycow]

Target: TimA_scaled
Distance: 1.6163% / 0.01616329
50.4 Levant_PPNB
23.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
11.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
7.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.0 Yoruba
2.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Dinka
0.2 Han

[celticdragongod]

Why does Corded not match what we know Yamnaya looked like? Yamnaya were dark haired, dark eyed, and had darker skin than todays Europeans. They were also tall and robust not progressive like Corded.

How do you know what Yamnaya looked like?

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

How do you know what Yamnaya looked like?

skeletal remains and their genotype

[Adamm]

Target: Adam_Scaled
Distance: 1.8371% / 0.01837133

34.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
31.8 MAR_Taforalt
8.8 TUR_Barcin_N
7.8 Levant_PPNB
7.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.6 WHG
3.0 Dinka
1.6 Gambian
1.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps

[XenophobicPrussian]

Why are you using TUR_Tepecik_Ciflik as a proxy for Neolithic Anatolians? None of those people entered Europe at all in the neolithic, no one with significant CHG/extra Levant admixture entered Europe before the Bronze Age.

You are inflating the actual neolithic Anatolian admixture in many southern Europeans, as they have a lot of extra, post-neolithic MENA admixture post EEFs(infact, the first farmers into Europe may've even been from a more western location in Anatolia than Barcin, maybe even from Greece and the border of Basal Eurasian admixed people and HGs was Macedonia, because the earliest farmers in Iberia, so likely some of the first, are missing the very minor CHG/Iran_N signal Barcin has, even if it's around 1-2%).

This is where Tepecik_Ciflik is, it's practically the Levant:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Ni%C4%9Fde_in_Turkey.svg/600px-Ni%C4%9Fde_in_Turkey.svg.png
(this is why treating EEF as some sort of relevant race or population is silly, because Anatolia and the Levant was just a cline, less WHG as you go east into Anatolia and the Levant)

Here's how they plot:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9XehAXmUJjE/WhjN8-rp8-I/AAAAAAAAGRA/tAQ2ZjBg1JU58SlzlLBp6Nd-sKQuFHwcgCLcBGAs/s450/Central_Anatolians_PCA.png

Target: TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
Distance: 2.4239% / 0.02423947
79.2 TUR_Barcin_N
10.8 Levant_Natufian
10.0 GEO_CHG

Here is how some southern Euro groups score with the original model:

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG

Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 1.4735% / 0.01473534
56.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
22.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.2 ETH_4500BP
0.2 Han

Target: Romanian
Distance: 3.0504% / 0.03050398
40.6 TUR_Barcin_N
37.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.8 Han

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 2.0052% / 0.02005160
38.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
33.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.4 TUR_Barcin_N
2.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps


Here's what they score without Tepecik_Ciftlik:

Target: Romanian
Distance: 3.1212% / 0.03121237
50.4 TUR_Barcin_N
39.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.2 Levant_PPNB
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 2.2164% / 0.02216424
52.2 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
3.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.8 Levant_PPNB
0.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.6738% / 0.01673828
44.8 TUR_Barcin_N
22.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 Levant_PPNB
13.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
4.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 WHG
0.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 1.8066% / 0.01806627
45.8 TUR_Barcin_N
20.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
11.6 Levant_PPNB
3.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 WHG


So, old model/new w/o Tepecik model Anatolian farmer %:
Romanian: 52.4%/50.4%
Calabria: 68%/45.8%
Campania: 63.2%/44.8%
Greek_Thessaly: 63.4%/52.2%

Should also include the other ancestries in the map, even though most Europeans don't have them, it's still relevant. No post-neolithic MENA begins at Basques and Central French.

Target: French_Auvergne
Distance: 3.1202% / 0.03120158
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
34.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
2.6 Baltic_LVA_HG



25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo:)

Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:

- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected since pre-Italic times (hence Meds, Alpines, Dinarics and even Armenoids pretty much everywhere)
Of course Finns have EEF, please stop doing drugs.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kerkko-Nordqvist/publication/272710773/figure/fig9/AS:668577115955208@1536412614382/Dot-distribution-A-and-choropleth-B-maps-of-Continental-and-Finnish-battle-axes_Q320.jpg
(Battle Axe culture in Finland)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Sweden_1250.png/250px-Sweden_1250.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Swedish_Empire_%281560-1815%29_en2.png/220px-Swedish_Empire_%281560-1815%29_en2.png
(but most Scandinavian admixture in Finns is from the Iron Age, not medieval Sweden or Imperial Sweden)

Also, Calabrians have 20% steppe admixture, people around Naples 22%, central French have 35%, N. French have 39%, those are all big enough differences.



nope, there's Moldova and Moldova outliers, and the former is southern Moldovans afaik in G25, so the result is southern-shifted anyway, plus, I only show those 4 components, not any other one, some add to 98 some to less, as I cannot show the 22 components in the map, it is to show these 4 main sources of ancestry, which actually is 3 strong sources for almost all populations, individually anyone can check anything, you have the calc in the OP, the map is to show general tendencies, for Moldovans an average would probably be slughtly more northenrn than that with better sampling. 1% lower or highers is ridiculous to talk about, not the point of the map, it is about general picture, not individual populations, on which it is relevant where the highest and the lowest % are found on the continent (Basques, Sardinians, Balts for example)
The results for Finns are absolutely correct, there's no need to give any credence to his pseudo-science garbage.

Imagine thinking anyone in modern Europe can be unadmixed with any other components very common in Europeans. Finns are literally 35% Scandinavian(where EEFs did reach), Corded Ware ware did reach Finland, Finnic speakers aren't even from Finland but further south, where again, many Indo-European groups reached. Corded Ware did have significant EEF ancestry, even that guy's pseudo scientist anthropologists thought Corded Ware were a mix of Kurganoids and European farmers from Poland/Ukraine.

[Dick]

My semen are 100% WHG

[aherne]

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG

Southern Italy is the textbook example of push and pull. Most of the Yamna is Italic or Germanic.

Sorry to tell you, but these calculations seem incorrect: where is the indigenous Mesolithic element here (1%: this is fucking ridiculous)? If you ever visited that region you will see its expression at least as (un)common as Corded... IMHO we have history written to our faces: maybe in the future these results will be more accurate but so far (unfortunately) good old racial anthropology yields better results

[Flashball]

I' like to see, how score Bronze and Iron Age Iberian samples. Some French ones score more than 2% MAR_Taforalt.

Never see a French with significative Iberomaurusien (70% levant 30% subsaharian).

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Never see a French with significative Iberomaurusien (70% levant 30% subsaharian).

Iberomaurusian is not 70 percent levant and 30 percent sub saharan lmao

[J.S.]

Some ancient French samples show a signal of MAR_Taforalt component, etc. It's no big deal.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Some ancient French samples show a signal of MAR_Taforalt component, etc. It's no big deal.
I know some modern French do, but haven't seen it in any French_IA samples(and yes Taforalt is 70% MENA, 30% SSA, one flawed paper doesn't change that). Which French samples do you refer to?

[Nurzat]

the calculator is experimental and, like any calc I've seen, needs improvements. I am happy to learn things I didn't know, so thank you to those that took the time to add such details to the thread

[Nurzat]

Sorry to tell you, but these calculations seem incorrect: where is the indigenous Mesolithic element here (1%: this is fucking ridiculous)? If you ever visited that region you will see its expression at least as (un)common as Corded... IMHO we have history written to our faces: maybe in the future these results will be more accurate but so far (unfortunately) good old racial anthropology yields better results

actually I think you are partially right: our specific traits come from specific genes, not genome-wide picture, so if genome-wide mapping can tell us sometimes with great precision where we are from or in case we are a mix, what are our macro-components in terms of ancestry, it doesn't tell us what we may look like, and in the future maybe some tests could look at that as well, to be able to group people on a plot based on similar traits, alone or combined

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

I know some modern French do, but haven't seen it in any French_IA samples(and yes Taforalt is 70% MENA, 30% SSA, one flawed paper doesn't change that). Which French samples do you refer to?

One flawed paper according to who? Lmaoooo

[JamesBond007]

As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo:)

Wrong, it is just that commercial DNA tests are not scientific they don't want to contradict any potentially wrong preconceived notions about customers identity they might have and G25 is amateur mentally retatarded slavic science. Alright, I am being a little too harsh on G25 but the truth is that is too fine-grained especially for modern populations.

So, who is the master of physical anthropology here ? Arguably xenophobic Prussian. He puts me in Wales/Cornwall/Devonshire Britain . So, you don't want more generalized qpAdm/admix results because it's ultra nerdy ? Perfect is the enemy of good enough :


MyTrueAncestry :

1. Southwest_English (4.205)
2. Southeast_English (4.275)
3. North_Dutch (4.390)
4. Danish (4.722)
5. West_Scottish (4.930)
6. Irish (5.014)
7. Orcadian (5.114)
8. North_German (6.151)

Ok, so the average Englishman is probably about 21 percent Celtic/Irish or whatever. However, being from SouthWest England there can be more Celtic input. MTA FTW , again:

30 % Celtic with rest various Germanic tribes e.g. Saxons, Danish vikings, Franks, Norwegian vikings etc..

Is it telling me nerd shit like how much Steppe, WHG, and Baltic HG etc...I am ? No ! However, who cares if G25 is wrong ? Ok, G25 is flexible and nerdy but not always correct so fuck it ! MTA can tell me how much I match to some samples in ancient Britain it seems , as well , but I won't paste it here.

Also , phenotype is only a subset of genes of the underlying genotype so you can't rely solely on old-school anthropology.

The truth is out there my man !

*edit , yeah go ahead clowns continue looking down your noses at MyTrueAncestry ya'll niggers is sleeping on MTA and straight trippin' *

[J.S.]

I know some modern French do, but haven't seen it in any French_IA samples(and yes Taforalt is 70% MENA, 30% SSA, one flawed paper doesn't change that). Which French samples do you refer to?

To be honest, i used an old datasheet with outdated coordinates. When i check the MAR_Taforalt signal in the ancient French samples using the official Eurogenes Global25 datasheet

the signal is very weak.

107573

nb: with Nurzat code/calculator

[J.S.]

delete

[Ion Basescul]

nope, there's Moldova and Moldova outliers, and the former is southern Moldovans afaik in G25, so the result is southern-shifted anyway, plus, I only show those 4 components, not any other one, some add to 98 some to less, as I cannot show the 22 components in the map, it is to show these 4 main sources of ancestry, which actually is 3 strong sources for almost all populations, individually anyone can check anything, you have the calc in the OP, the map is to show general tendencies, for Moldovans an average would probably be slughtly more northenrn than that with better sampling. 1% lower or highers is ridiculous to talk about, not the point of the map, it is about general picture, not individual populations, on which it is relevant where the highest and the lowest % are found on the continent (Basques, Sardinians, Balts for example)

The former is formed of 32 samples from the North (around 5 outliers) and 10 from the South (around 5 outliers). It could be more Northern than the average would have been, since around 60% of the population lives in the Centre. But judging by K13 average compared to this one from G25, it should be pretty close anyway
Moldovan_o has one Moldovan/Romanian and the rest are a combination of Russians, Ukrainians and one Slavo-Gypsy mix. No idea why it's named that way. Should just be Moldovan_EastSlavic or something akin to that.

[Grace O'Malley]

Wrong, it is just that commercial DNA tests are not scientific they don't want to contradict any potentially wrong preconceived notions about customers identity they might have and G25 is amateur mentally retatarded slavic science. Alright, I am being a little too harsh on G25 but the truth is that is too fine-grained especially for modern populations.

So, who is the master of physical anthropology here ? Arguably xenophobic Prussian. He puts me in Wales/Cornwall/Devonshire Britain . So, you don't want more generalized qpAdm/admix results because it's ultra nerdy ? Perfect is the enemy of good enough :


MyTrueAncestry :

1. Southwest_English (4.205)
2. Southeast_English (4.275)
3. North_Dutch (4.390)
4. Danish (4.722)
5. West_Scottish (4.930)
6. Irish (5.014)
7. Orcadian (5.114)
8. North_German (6.151)

Ok, so the average Englishman is probably about 21 percent Celtic/Irish or whatever. However, being from SouthWest England there can be more Celtic input. MTA FTW , again:

30 % Celtic with rest various Germanic tribes e.g. Saxons, Danish vikings, Franks, Norwegian vikings etc..

Is it telling me nerd shit like how much Steppe, WHG, and Baltic HG etc...I am ? No ! However, who cares if G25 is wrong ? Ok, G25 is flexible and nerdy but not always correct so fuck it ! MTA can tell me how much I match to some samples in ancient Britain it seems , as well , but I won't paste it here.

Also , phenotype is only a subset of genes of the underlying genotype so you can't rely solely on old-school anthropology.

The truth is out there my man !

*edit , yeah go ahead clowns continue looking down your noses at MyTrueAncestry ya'll niggers is sleeping on MTA and straight trippin' *

Celtic and Irish is not the same thing. You should know that now. MyTrueAncestry just uses Eurogenes K15 which you are always complaining is bad "Polack science" :). I wonder when that Reich study about Southeast England is coming out as there is a more southern pull there compared to the rest of the Isles populations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

The facts at the moment though are no one really knows how much Celtic people influenced the dna of places like Ireland or England.

[Mantuano]

Irish and Celt is not the same thing, Celts were very different from each other. I think Gael is the best word to define an irish genetic component.

[vbnetkhio]

The facts at the moment though are no one really knows how much Celtic people influenced the dna of places like Ireland or England.

It was 50% according to that latest study, but these Celts were quite similar to the Beakers already there.

[Grace O'Malley]

It was 50% according to that latest study, but these Celts were quite similar to the Beakers already there.

I would love to see that. Is there a link? Any comparison with the Celts from the Continent show no similarity with Irish, Scots, Welsh etc. Well very small anyway. A study would be hugely popular.

[vbnetkhio]

I would love to see that. Is there a link? Any comparison with the Celts from the Continent show no similarity with Irish, Scots, Welsh etc. Well very small anyway. A study would be hugely popular.

I mean this, you already saw it.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?345893-50-replacement-in-MLBA-Britain

https://i.imgur.com/4kDPOll.jpg

btw, there are some continental samples (maybe not officially Celtic) which are close to the northern French and Welsh.


Distance to: DEU_Lech_EBA
0.02642402 French_Brittany
0.02804248 Welsh
0.02855813 Afrikaner
0.02858560 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02899656 German
0.02901861 Belgian
0.03038943 English
0.03060798 Dutch
0.03119610 French_Nord
0.03181650 Scottish
0.03236684 Orcadian
0.03242401 English_Cornwall
0.03291270 Irish
0.03426555 French_Paris
0.03432736 French_Alsace
0.03433418 Danish
0.03527579 Austrian
0.03530170 Swiss_German
0.03552642 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03605778 Norwegian
0.03641125 Shetlandic
0.03904966 Icelandic
0.04153416 Swedish
0.04269079 French_Occitanie
0.04456186 Swiss_French

Distance to: FRA_Grand_Est_EBA
0.02431596 French_Brittany
0.02466238 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02661259 Welsh
0.02833026 English
0.02962285 Orcadian
0.02974823 English_Cornwall
0.03034658 Belgian
0.03067867 Scottish
0.03127889 Afrikaner
0.03171983 French_Nord
0.03181763 German
0.03223326 Irish
0.03248486 Dutch
0.03295790 French_Paris
0.03540602 Danish
0.03579982 French_Alsace
0.03619071 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03652764 Swiss_German
0.03658374 Norwegian
0.03735794 Icelandic
0.03897153 Shetlandic
0.03908693 French_Occitanie
0.04065019 Swedish
0.04134185 Austrian
0.04273436 French_Auvergne


Distance to: DEU_Singen_EBA
0.02061259 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02417396 Belgian
0.02441269 French_Paris
0.02460245 French_Nord
0.02572576 French_Brittany
0.02766818 French_Occitanie
0.02836288 Swiss_German
0.02888581 French_Alsace
0.02983799 Afrikaner
0.03107685 Welsh
0.03115207 French_Auvergne
0.03256697 German
0.03387438 English
0.03402049 English_Cornwall
0.03431569 Swiss_French
0.03468808 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03630033 Orcadian
0.03665006 Scottish
0.03685816 Dutch
0.03804175 Austrian
0.03868082 Irish
0.04091794 Spanish_Penedes
0.04110268 French_Provence
0.04161102 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04261172 Danish


I think the British Celtic invaders will be similar to these when they get published.

[Grace O'Malley]

I mean this, you already saw it.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?345893-50-replacement-in-MLBA-Britain

https://i.imgur.com/4kDPOll.jpg

btw, there are some continental samples (maybe not officially Celtic) which are close to the northern French and Welsh.


Distance to: DEU_Lech_EBA
0.02642402 French_Brittany
0.02804248 Welsh
0.02855813 Afrikaner
0.02858560 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02899656 German
0.02901861 Belgian
0.03038943 English
0.03060798 Dutch
0.03119610 French_Nord
0.03181650 Scottish
0.03236684 Orcadian
0.03242401 English_Cornwall
0.03291270 Irish
0.03426555 French_Paris
0.03432736 French_Alsace
0.03433418 Danish
0.03527579 Austrian
0.03530170 Swiss_German
0.03552642 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03605778 Norwegian
0.03641125 Shetlandic
0.03904966 Icelandic
0.04153416 Swedish
0.04269079 French_Occitanie
0.04456186 Swiss_French

Distance to: FRA_Grand_Est_EBA
0.02431596 French_Brittany
0.02466238 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02661259 Welsh
0.02833026 English
0.02962285 Orcadian
0.02974823 English_Cornwall
0.03034658 Belgian
0.03067867 Scottish
0.03127889 Afrikaner
0.03171983 French_Nord
0.03181763 German
0.03223326 Irish
0.03248486 Dutch
0.03295790 French_Paris
0.03540602 Danish
0.03579982 French_Alsace
0.03619071 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03652764 Swiss_German
0.03658374 Norwegian
0.03735794 Icelandic
0.03897153 Shetlandic
0.03908693 French_Occitanie
0.04065019 Swedish
0.04134185 Austrian
0.04273436 French_Auvergne


Distance to: DEU_Singen_EBA
0.02061259 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02417396 Belgian
0.02441269 French_Paris
0.02460245 French_Nord
0.02572576 French_Brittany
0.02766818 French_Occitanie
0.02836288 Swiss_German
0.02888581 French_Alsace
0.02983799 Afrikaner
0.03107685 Welsh
0.03115207 French_Auvergne
0.03256697 German
0.03387438 English
0.03402049 English_Cornwall
0.03431569 Swiss_French
0.03468808 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03630033 Orcadian
0.03665006 Scottish
0.03685816 Dutch
0.03804175 Austrian
0.03868082 Irish
0.04091794 Spanish_Penedes
0.04110268 French_Provence
0.04161102 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04261172 Danish


I think the British Celtic invaders will be similar to these when they get published.

I would like to see that come out in an actual study with more details and what populations they think caused this. Also it is only a part of Britain. It's an interesting catch from the talk but no study yet. Thanks anyway as it sounds very interesting.

[Leto]

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 5.4744% / 0.05474444

44.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.0 TUR_Barcin_N
20.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
3.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
1.2 Han
0.2 Levant_PPNB

[Leto]

Celtic and Irish is not the same thing. You should know that now. MyTrueAncestry just uses Eurogenes K15 which you are always complaining is bad "Polack science" :). I wonder when that Reich study about Southeast England is coming out as there is a more southern pull there compared to the rest of the Isles populations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

The facts at the moment though are no one really knows how much Celtic people influenced the dna of places like Ireland or England.
Is that the reason why you dropped Celtic identity altogether? I thought it was important for an authentic Irish identity (not for those who would call a Bangladeshi living in Ireland Irish).

[J.S.]

What was the only place called Celtica, ie, The Celtic by the Ancients?

[Grace O'Malley]

Is that the reason why you dropped Celtic identity altogether? I thought it was important for an authentic Irish identity (not for those who would call a Bangladeshi living in Ireland Irish).

Do you mean me personally? I'd rather use the term Gaelic. I'm not really a believer pan-Celticity. I think the Celts were obviously quite different and I do think the term was just used by Romans to call many different groups Celtic. I've an open mind though and I've changed my thoughts many times on the subject. Definitely with genetics I'm not hung up on whether a population is Celtic or not. I think the Irish are Gaels though in culture and ethnicity because Gaelic just describes the people who speak or spoke a Gaelic language. It is very specific whereas Celtic is so broad.

I'm always looking forward to more studies that sheds some more light on the topic.

[Leto]

Do you mean me personally? I'd rather use the term Gaelic. I'm not really a believer pan-Celticity. I think the Celts were obviously quite different and I do think the term was just used by Romans to call many different groups Celtic. I've an open mind though and I've changed my thoughts many times on the subject. Definitely with genetics I'm not hung up on whether a population is Celtic or not. I think the Irish are Gaels though in culture and ethnicity because Gaelic just describes the people who speak or spoke a Gaelic language. It is very specific whereas Celtic is so broad.

I'm always looking forward to more studies that sheds some more light on the topic.
I see. You're probably right. The thing is that Celts are long gone in continental Europe, except for Brittany. Switzerland has some remnants of Celticity though, as far as I know. But they're Germanic and Romance speakers anyway.

[Rethel]

https://i.imgur.com/4kDPOll.jpg

CMs were admixed by EHG (let say at least some 8%) what effects in WHG.
Then this admixed WHGeans were autosomally in 90% replaced by farmerian DNA.
Then this was in 90% replaced by Indoeuropeans stage 1.
Then this was replaced in 50% by Indoeuropeans stage 2.
Then these were in different degrees replaced and admixed by other Indoeuropeans couple of times.

But here are people who still argue, that original C&I-folks autosomal is somehow still relevant in the population... :picard2:

[Grace O'Malley]

I see. You're probably right. The thing is that Celts are long gone in continental Europe, except for Brittany. Switzerland has some remnants of Celticity though, as far as I know. But they're Germanic and Romance speakers anyway.

Yes Brittany is interesting but appears to have more affinity with the Insular Celts i.e. Cornish and Welsh and their language is closest to Cornish. Genetic studies as well back that link up with the Insular Celts. At the moment there is just not enough information out there on ancient populations like the Celts. No recent studies have been published on the topic. It would be great if there are some surprises in the studies but from what I can see people like the Irish owe a lot of their genetics to Bronze Age populations. It makes sense that some Continental Celts came in or possibly Celts that came to Britain and then went on to Ireland. I'd love to see something published this year but Covid has slowed everything down.

[Kaspias]

Target: Kaspias_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.3375% / 0.02337542
33.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.2 TUR_Barcin_N
12.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
8.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
8.0 Levant_PPNB
1.0 WHG

Target: Kaspias_scaled
Distance: 2.1118% / 0.02111752
41.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
31.8 TUR_Barcin_N
9.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
9.2 Levant_PPNB
4.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.4 Baltic_LVA_HG

Target: Kaspias_mom_subtracted
Distance: 3.0139% / 0.03013862
45.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.0 TUR_Barcin_N
12.4 Levant_PPNB
7.4 Baltic_LVA_HG

[vbnetkhio]

C&I-folks

who?

[Freeroostah]

Target: VangosH_scaled
Distance: 3.7405% / 0.03740491 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
30.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.6 Baltic_LVA_HG

[Rethel]

who?

C1-people and I-people, the original, pre-WHG, cromagnon-autosomal bearers.

[Petalpusher]

CMs were admixed by EHG (let say at least some 8%) what effects in WHG.
Then this admixed WHGeans were autosomally in 90% replaced by farmerian DNA.
Then this was in 90% replaced by Indoeuropeans stage 1.
Then this was replaced in 50% by Indoeuropeans stage 2.
Then these were in different degrees replaced and admixed by other Indoeuropeans couple of times.

But here are people who still argue, that original C&I-folks autosomal is somehow still relevant in the population... :picard2:

Almost got it all right, except the first step :D

You can't model WHG as Paleo HG + EHG but you can do it the other way with some specific ones like Afontova Gora.

The rest is more or less what really happened, different stages of various IE repeated replacements pretty much everywhere but with substantial absorbition of local farmers in the process, from the original Steppe. Bell Beaker is a mix of Yamnaya with MN/LN types, like GAC or other local farming communities, which itself had absorbed some remnants of mesolithic HG's too.

[Rethel]

except the first step

Nope. It is correct.


You can't model WHG as Paleo HG + EHG

Not only can, but it is the only way to define it.
In mesolithic there were still pure CM people, pre-WHG living side by side with WHG like.

[Petalpusher]

Nope. It is correct.



Not only can, but it is the only way to define it.
In mesolithic there were still pure CM people, pre-WHG living side by side with WHG like.

K. Then please tell which Paleo HG mixed with EHG to produce WHG.

[Rethel]

K. Then please tell which Paleo HG mixed with EHG to produce WHG.

I had said allready, Cromagnion, and the last stage was the Bichon-like for example.

It is known since decades, that WHG is X+EHG, but for some time it was not named what the x was. Since couple of years it is allready known, but people act, like there never was a problem, and like whg would be the original component. Is not. It reminds me R1b-Basque morons, who for long time, and some still, couldn't accept the obvious thing, that R1b is not cromagnon neither vasconic, but is Indoeuropean.

[cakmir7y]

yes, very central european even though I usually get yamnaya portion over 40%


Target: cakmir7y_scaled
Distance: 0.0407% / 0.04067869
39.4 TUR_Barcin_N
39.1 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.5 Baltic_LVA_HG


Distance to: cakmir7y_scaled
0.15575646 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20341567 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.21025233 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.21496853 TUR_Barcin_N
0.25271190 Levant_PPNB
0.26112480 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.32364464 WHG
0.32941190 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.38769304 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.46304509 Jarawa
0.47976472 MAR_Taforalt
0.61159708 Han
0.61354607 Nganassan
0.61996107 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
0.65969061 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67767102 ETH_4500BP
0.73796709 Dinka
0.75303065 Gambian
0.77878699 Yoruba
0.81521876 Papuan
0.93883008 Ju_hoan_North
0.95737352 Mbuti

[Petalpusher]

I had said allready, Cromagnion, and the last stage was the Bichon-like for example.

It is known since decades, that WHG is X+EHG, but for some time it was not named what the x was. Since couple of years it is allready known, but people act, like there never was a problem, and like whg would be the original component. it is not.

No Paleo HG makes WHG of the Villabrunian cluster an intermediate between anything, let alone any Paleo HG and EHG and that's a fact. So no it's not known for decades, we would have to find a very peculiar Paleo HG for it to happen, unlike anything found so far, we haven't found it yet and it's very unlikely it will happen at this point. That group would have had to be numerous to influence and become defacto the main parent of the whole HG cline.


https://i.postimg.cc/qqtGCvJF/Paleolithic-Mesolithic-PCA.png

[vbnetkhio]

K. Then please tell which Paleo HG mixed with EHG to produce WHG.

early WHG like Bichon had no ANE, and late ones like Loschbour already have 5-10% ANE or EHG. he is referring to that.

[Petalpusher]

early WHG like Bichon had no ANE, and late ones like Loschbour already have 5-10% ANE or EHG. he is referring to that.

I doubt it's his point, he s just trying to make EHG the end of all HG when it's actually the real intermediate, between WHG and ANE/AG people. We know there are all sorts of intermediate between WHG; SHG, EHG, ... and even between some Paleo and WHG, but there s nothing more removed than WHG that it would be out of the picture above and make Villabrunians intermediate as if they mixed with that ghost population and EHG.

[XenophobicPrussian]

early WHG like Bichon had no ANE, and late ones like Loschbour already have 5-10% ANE or EHG. he is referring to that.
Yeah that isn't his point, he's a known crazy opinion person. We know Central Italian WHGs were the purest WHGs, other WHGs had very minor ANE, Villabruna even had R1b.

He also thinks Ma'lta boy was a mulatto rather than simply proto-ANE, and thinks Scandinavian HGs have "Indo-European" admixture. ANE/EHG is WHG+something, not the other way around, whether or not ANE admixture had reached WHGs as well.

[aherne]

Wrong, it is just that commercial DNA tests are not scientific they don't want to contradict any potentially wrong preconceived notions about customers identity they might have and G25 is amateur mentally retatarded slavic science. Alright, I am being a little too harsh on G25 but the truth is that is too fine-grained especially for modern populations.

So, who is the master of physical anthropology here ? Arguably xenophobic Prussian. He puts me in Wales/Cornwall/Devonshire Britain . So, you don't want more generalized qpAdm/admix results because it's ultra nerdy ? Perfect is the enemy of good enough :


MyTrueAncestry :

1. Southwest_English (4.205)
2. Southeast_English (4.275)
3. North_Dutch (4.390)
4. Danish (4.722)
5. West_Scottish (4.930)
6. Irish (5.014)
7. Orcadian (5.114)
8. North_German (6.151)

Ok, so the average Englishman is probably about 21 percent Celtic/Irish or whatever. However, being from SouthWest England there can be more Celtic input. MTA FTW , again:

30 % Celtic with rest various Germanic tribes e.g. Saxons, Danish vikings, Franks, Norwegian vikings etc..

Is it telling me nerd shit like how much Steppe, WHG, and Baltic HG etc...I am ? No ! However, who cares if G25 is wrong ? Ok, G25 is flexible and nerdy but not always correct so fuck it ! MTA can tell me how much I match to some samples in ancient Britain it seems , as well , but I won't paste it here.

Also , phenotype is only a subset of genes of the underlying genotype so you can't rely solely on old-school anthropology.

The truth is out there my man !

*edit , yeah go ahead clowns continue looking down your noses at MyTrueAncestry ya'll niggers is sleeping on MTA and straight trippin' *

Individual phenotype only gives a clue of someone's ancestry: shows some ancestry components out of many others (that may be muted in him/her but displayed on descendants). The larger the group, however, the more it becomes a science...

[Rethel]

he s just trying to make EHG the end of all HG

How end? It is just a one of separate au. That's it.


when it's actually the real intermediate, between WHG and ANE/AG people.

Nope. WHG and ANE are intermediate.


We know there are all sorts of intermediate between WHG; SHG, EHG, ... and even between some Paleo and WHG,

Yes, but it looks like that:

EHG+Bichon = WHG
WHG+EHG = SHG
EHG+AmInd = ANE
EHG+CHG = Yamna.

You can try to put it differently, but it would have no practical sense.


We know Central Italian WHGs were the purest WHGs, other WHGs had very minor ANE, Villabruna even had R1b.

It isn't about how much it has. The fact it, that it has and that's enaugh.


He also thinks Ma'lta boy was a mulatto rather than simply proto-ANE

Now you are lying. Not mulatto but castizo. And this is what ANE really is.
A small castizo boy, who serves as a pattern becasue was discovered first.
You, as a person who hates much more obvious truths, will never see it.


and thinks Scandinavian HGs have "Indo-European" admixture.

It is not what I think, but what papers claim.
The only difference is, that I call EHG IE.

[An Ferbasach]

Target: An Ferbasach_scaled
Distance: 5.5944% / 0.05594434
48.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.8 TUR_Barcin_N
8.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
7.4 WHG

[Zoro]

early WHG like Bichon had no ANE, and late ones like Loschbour already have 5-10% ANE or EHG. he is referring to that.

Correct. During the last glacial maximum there appears to be two slightly divergent WHG refugia in southern Europe one in Italy known as the Villabruna cluster and the other in Spain known as the El Miron cluster

Out of the two the Italian Villabruna cluster eventually became the dominant one in Europe and it appears that after the Ice Age some of those hunter-gatherers ventured into north eastern Europe and hybridized with a population similar to AG3.

This created a WHG-AG3 cline with EHG, which were about 70% AG3 and 30% WHG, on one pole and Latvia-HG and Mesolithic Ukraine-HG occupying intermediate positions on the cline and Loschbour-WHG close to the other pole.

https://i.imgur.com/epw1vL4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MmlAcnj.png

https://i.imgur.com/4bQaOue.jpg

[Petalpusher]

How end? It is just a one of separate au. That's it.

EHG+Bichon = WHG No
WHG+EHG = SHG Yes
EHG+AmInd = ANE No
EHG+CHG = Yamna. Yes


Check the pca Zoro posted above and find me a Paleolithic HG to the right of the blue WHGs. There are none. The fact that Villabruna is slightly left of Bichon is irrelevant to the point WHG isn't a mix of some unknown Paleo/CM (whatever you call it) with EHG, they are part of the same cluster of WHG, it could even be explained by his R1 haplo but it might not even be the reason. Villabruna is slightly older than Bichon by the way.

On the other hand the re expansion of WHGs from their refuges created a cline as they met AG people in the northeast, making intermediates such as SHG, EHG and plenty others. It's like if you tell me Popovo isn't EHG because he appears slightly more WHG admixed than Karelia, it's not the point, he is an EHG. What you can see clearly however is that everything falls onto a cline between Afontova Gora (descending from ANE) and WHGs (team blue). WHG isn't an intermediate of anything, everything else is however, in the two main directions of other Paleos.

ANE predates EHG and Amerindian as an ethnicity, they mixed with NE Asians on their way to America through Beringia. Same when you say ANE was castizo or something, makes no sense. You are actually calling Castizos your beloved IE, because the PIE should have been pretty heavily ANE/AG. That might be the best part afterall.

[Scandal]

Check the pca Zoro posted above and find me a Paleolithic HG to the right of the blue WHGs. There are none. The fact that Villabruna is slightly left of Bichon is irrelevant to the point WHG isn't a mix of some unknown Paleo/CM (whatever you call it) with EHG, they are part of the same cluster of WHG, it could even be explained by his R1 haplo but it might not even be the reason. Villabruna is slightly older than Bichon by the way.

On the other hand the re expansion of WHGs from their refuges created a cline as they met AG people in the northeast, making intermediates such as SHG, EHG and plenty others. It's like if you tell me Popovo isn't EHG because he appears slightly more WHG admixed than Karelia, it's not the point, he is an EHG. What you can see clearly however is that everything falls onto a cline between Afontova Gora (descending from ANE) and WHGs (team blue). WHG isn't an intermediate of anything, everything else is however, in the two main directions of other Paleos.

ANE predates EHG and Amerindian as an ethnicity, they mixed with NE Asians on their way to America through Beringia. Same when you say ANE was castizo or something, makes no sense. You are actually calling Castizos your beloved IE, because the PIE should have been pretty heavily ANE/AG. That might be the best part afterall.
So WHGs are simply descendants of Cro-Magnons/Paleo-Euros without non-Euro admixture? Where would CMs plot on the PCA posted by Zoro, Bichon is example of a pure, unmixed CM?

[Petalpusher]

So WHGs are simply descendants of Cro-Magnons/Paleo-Euros without non-Euro admixture? Where would CMs plot on the PCA posted by Zoro?

That would be the Paleo groups on the left going up, and some others. Mesolithic descend partially from some of them but it's not like the ancient had necessarily non Euro admixture, some might, but in general they are just older, and the WHGs managed to remove themselves in isolation further. The more recent one tend to be more distant to East Asians, Africans and Oceanians. Vestonice seems to have a link with the Villabrunians cluster, Goyet for some of them like Loschbour, could be just common distant ancestry.

The term CM comes from the Dordogne skull that is 30ky old early Gravettian, so theorically he should have been more like the Paleos. Visually he looks like a WHG poster child but could be just proto WHG traits already in this individual. That was more a general term of a type from upper Paleo to mesolithic, before genetic came into play. We call all those ancients CM because we thought they were all the same but there was a structure already.

For the anecdote of the name itself, Cro means hole in old dialect from Perigord, and Magnon was just the name of the landlord of the time... so they called it Cro-Magnon, basically rock shelter in a hole on Magnon's land, where they found it.

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/cms/attachment/407b25c0-01af-4664-9c43-3c06360f234f/gr1c.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sD0Fzwpq/2016-Fu-Figure1.jpg

[XenophobicPrussian]

So WHGs are simply descendants of Cro-Magnons/Paleo-Euros without non-Euro admixture? Where would CMs plot on the PCA posted by Zoro, Bichon is example of a pure, unmixed CM?
Yes, if anything, WHGs are more "Cro-Magnon" than actual Cro-Magnons, because they are as far away from other human populations as you can get.

Also, if Loschbour, etc had minor ANE(they probably did), Bichon likely did too. We already knew pops like Balkan_HG, Baltic_HG had ANE(because they can be modelled as earlier discovered samples of WHG and ANE/EHG, show both admixtures in supervised and unsupervised ADMIXTURE runs, and they are intermediary on a PCA between both populations), KO1 from Hungary was also thought to have ANE, and La Brana was thought to have minor EEF(he was pretty recent in terms of dating), but didn't know a person like Loschbour could have ANE because he was the furthest outlying population we had found thus far.

The purest WHGs thus far found are the ones recently found in mesolithic Central Italy(Bichon is closer to Villabruna), unsurprising as it's as far away(outside Iberia) from where ANE was in the east:

https://i.postimg.cc/pLsbRmYX/italypc2.png

btw random note, we know ANE probably did not cross the Volga west until atleast after 22k BC, because Dzudzuana in Georgia, a mix of WHG(proto-WHG that is, during the time of 22k BC WHG would've looked something like El Miron autosomally) and Basal Eurasian/Southern Caucasoid/Natufian, had 0 ANE, while CHG and modern Georgians have a lot.

Like Petalpusher said, various populations during the European paleolithic remained separated and had their own drift, but you cannot properly model WHG with paleo-Euros and any outside of Europe population, and WHG is outlying to both on a PCA plot, meaning WHG is just directly descended from paleolithic Europeans. More Iberian earlier WHGs will probably look like the Italian WHGs, again because Iberia is as far away from the east as possible, Iberia/Italy also had the highest population density of HGs in Europe given Iberian/Italian MN farmers had more WHG than even places like Germany, Hungary, UK, etc. Iberian HGs probably had more of the "El Miron" cluster group however, but it was pretty much the same thing as the proto-Villabruna cluster group. Again, like Petalpusher said, older, paleo-HGs had non-European affinity, but not non-European admixture, WHGs are basically "evolved" paleo Europeans.

Meanwhile, nutjob Rethel thinks EHG are the "pure" Europeans, when they are a simple mix of WHG and ANE(ANE is also a mix, but not as "simple", because it has a lot of its own drift too given the mix happened a very long time ago).

https://i.imgur.com/AESwXCN.jpg

[Hamilcar]

Target: Hamilcar
Distance: 2.9112% / 0.02911248
28.6 MAR_Taforalt
26.4 TUR_Barcin_N
24.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
11.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 Yoruba
2.0 WHG
0.6 Levant_PPNB
0.4 Mbuti


I don't see the point of putting two different anatolian sources. Also in the case of my people this EEF ancestry came with Iberia_N who already had absorbed some WHG (they were basically similar to modern-day sardinians).

[vbnetkhio]

So WHGs are simply descendants of Cro-Magnons/Paleo-Euros without non-Euro admixture? Where would CMs plot on the PCA posted by Zoro, Bichon is example of a pure, unmixed CM?

Yes, WHG/Villabruna is probably just one branch of west eurasians which drifted away. The other branches were GoyetQ116, Kostenki/Sunghir and UHG (which we don't have samples of yet, but it must have existed.) , and later there were various hybrids of these 4 branches.

Bichon is just the earliest WHG/Villabruna sample we have.

[vbnetkhio]

So WHGs are simply descendants of Cro-Magnons/Paleo-Euros without non-Euro admixture? Where would CMs plot on the PCA posted by Zoro, Bichon is example of a pure, unmixed CM?

this is one of the possible models which shows all of this:
https://i.imgur.com/07G2Wzf.png

some other studies show slightly different models but the main thread is the same.

[Dunai]

Very interesting explanations I read in the previous posts. Could someone make like a hierarchical chart or list about which are the oldest known European, or West Eurasian groups of people, and are followed by which later groups, and approximately when they appeared, out of which older groups? So WHGs are the descendants of the oldest homo sapiens of Europe?

[vbnetkhio]

Very interesting explanations I read in the previous posts. Could someone make like a hierarchical chart or list about which are the oldest known European, or West Eurasian groups of people, and are followed by which later groups, and approximately when they appeared, out of which older groups? So WHGs are the descendants of the oldest homo sapiens of Europe?

something like this...

https://i.imgur.com/85ZOWCv.png

[Dunai]

something like this...

https://i.imgur.com/KAtMbal.png

So it seems most archaic West Eurasian groups went extinct and there was a bottleneck from which the WHGs came out victorious until the EEFs took them over in numbers.

[vbnetkhio]

So it seems most archaic West Eurasian groups went extinct and there was a bottleneck from which the WHGs came out victorious until the EEFs took them over in numbers.

exactly. but the Sunghir/Kostenki cluster also survived, trough ANE, which ended up being the most succesful and widespread stone age population.

70% Sunghir/Kostenki + 30% East Eurasian -> ANE

70% ANE + 30% UHG -> EHG
30% ANE + 70% Dzudzuana -> CHG
50% ANE + 50% something similar to Dzudzuana in Iran -> Iran Mesolithic
50% ANE + 50% East Eurasian -> Amerindians

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

So it seems most archaic West Eurasian groups went extinct and there was a bottleneck from which the WHGs came out victorious until the EEFs took them over in numbers.

What is unknown Hunter gatherer? And why does it make 50 percent of Natufian dna? Was it spread throughout Middle East or was it a European group that back migrated into Middle East?

[Nurzat]

Cro-Mags also do absolutely fabulous music, see song below (I recommend the whole album as well)


https://youtu.be/1Dfr8YcAnCU


one of the Cro Mags (bass, vocals)

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/05/harley-flanagan.jpg

[vbnetkhio]

What is unknown Hunter gatherer?
it's something related to WHG.


And why does it make 50 percent of Natufian dna? Was it spread throughout Middle East or was it a European group that back migrated into Middle East?
I think currently option 1 is more popular. But we don't have enough samples to say for certain.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

it's something related to WHG.


I think currently option 1 is more popular. But we don't have enough samples to say for certain.



Is this component also present in Anatolian Hunter Gatherers? What can they be modelled as?

[XenophobicPrussian]

Is this component also present in Anatolian Hunter Gatherers? What can they be modelled as?
Yes, Anatolian HG and Dzudzuana are identical. Later CHG is Dzudzuana+ANE.

[vbnetkhio]

Is this component also present in Anatolian Hunter Gatherers? What can they be modelled as?

AHG were similar to Dzudzuana, so around 50/50 UHG/Basal.

[Damião de Góis]

In my case it's exactly like G25's default run:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 4.0115% / 0.04011473
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 WHG
3.4 MAR_Taforalt
1.6 Yoruba


1] "distance%=4.0205"
Anatolia_Barcin_N,52.2
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,32.4
WHG,10.4
MAR_Iberomaurusian,3.2
Yoruba,1.8

[gixajo]

In my case it's exactly like G25's default run:

8

:icon_yes:

Excepting that 0.4% Ju_hoan_North of my father, that formerly was part of his Ibero-Maurissian.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7422% / 0.03742166
54.6 TUR_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 WHG
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5734% / 0.03573365
58.2 TUR_Barcin_N
27.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 WHG
3.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 Ju_hoan_North

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.7260% / 0.04726048
52.6 TUR_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.6 WHG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

[Defcon2]

Target: Defcon_scaled
Distance: 4.8119% / 0.04811891
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
27.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 WHG
4.0 MAR_Taforalt
1.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
1.2 Gambian
0.6 Han

Gypsy, nigga and chinese. :)

[L.o.l.i.t.a]

experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

(Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

straight outta Paint xD


TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972 329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524 476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.0837 92,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.0128 13
Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048


https://i.imgur.com/ySUjFu5.png

All of Italy's results are wrong on the map, or have been artificially moved to the 'north'.


Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG



Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 1.8493% / 0.01849258
46.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.6 TUR_Barcin_N
2.8 WHG
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.8 Levant_PPNB
0.4 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Italian_Lombardy
Distance: 3.0906% / 0.03090609
51.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.8 WHG

[L.o.l.i.t.a]

I think this source is more efficient at distinguishing Yamnaya from other components.



Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
EHG,0.12862,0.032497,0.125958,0.221902,0.003385,0. 056057,-0.014571,-0.010615,0.007567,-0.084011,0.009581,-0.029674,0.047423,-0.018304,0.014794,0.041766,-0.020079,0.002154,-0.007668,0.003252,-0.01435,0.017188,0.005916,-0.027594,-0.00958
EHG,0.120652,0.099522,0.149717,0.188633,0.060319,0 .049643,0.003995,0.01223,0.038655,-0.041003,0.006333,-0.028175,0.04103,-0.009083,0.013708,0.036064,0.01708,-0.006461,-0.008296,0.038018,0.042425,0.012242,-0.00456,-0.074348,-0.002275
GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
EHG,0.12862,0.032497,0.125958,0.221902,0.003385,0. 056057,-0.014571,-0.010615,0.007567,-0.084011,0.009581,-0.029674,0.047423,-0.018304,0.014794,0.041766,-0.020079,0.002154,-0.007668,0.003252,-0.01435,0.017188,0.005916,-0.027594,-0.00958
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o:I7722,0.036423,-0.091398,-0.168573,0.129847,-0.079707,0.063587,-0.005405,0.016845,0.051949,0.030069,-0.007632,0.001049,0.000297,0.004404,-0.000407,-0.017369,-0.002086,-0.002914,0.002891,0.008254,0.00861,0.004204,0.0024 65,0.006868,-0.005868
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11466,0.044391,-0.020311,-0.171213,0.076551,-0.104635,0.054105,0.010105,-0.010384,-0.00225,0.019499,-0.008282,0.014237,-0.007136,-0.012386,0.018187,0.026783,0.011865,0.010135,0.003 017,-0.014632,0.00836,-0.013973,0.003081,-0.006266,0.008023
Levant_Ashkelon_LBA,0.0921967,0.1462363,-0.061722,-0.0915167,-0.0139513,-0.0366277,0.0032117,-0.008846,0.0072263,0.012635,0.015535,-0.015736,0.018781,0.0088997,-0.0078717,0.008972,-0.0043027,0.0013093,-0.0006287,-0.0070033,0.0020797,0.000371,-0.00608,0.002812,0.003832
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Saami,0.1112621,-0.0302122,0.111722,0.079781,-0.0093286,0.008297,0.0081371,0.0138599,0.0029656,-0.0320964,0.0222877,-0.0074746,0.0180716,-0.0198263,-0.0040038,0.0026933,0.0011571,-0.0014886,-0.0059862,0.0044944,0.0158158,0.0013447,-0.0025649,0.0026584,0.0003442
Levant_Natufian:I0861,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975

[grabielx]

All of Italy's results are wrong on the map, or have been artificially moved to the 'north'.


Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG



Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 1.8493% / 0.01849258
46.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.6 TUR_Barcin_N
2.8 WHG
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.8 Levant_PPNB
0.4 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Italian_Lombardy
Distance: 3.0906% / 0.03090609
51.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.8 WHG

They fit for Apulia, Tuscany and Bergamo or with 0.25 penalty. But yeah, the map is not particularly representative.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Target: 7.62x39_scaled
Distance: 4.6963% / 0.04696294
36.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
26.6 EHG
4.0 Saami
2.0 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
0.4 GEO_CHG


Saami is fake that should be added to my EHG score

[grabielx]

Target: Grabiel_scaled
Distance: 3.2840% / 0.03284031
56.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.2 WHG
3.8 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
1.8 GEO_CHG

[Dunai]

exactly. but the Sunghir/Kostenki cluster also survived, trough ANE, which ended up being the most succesful and widespread stone age population.

70% Sunghir/Kostenki + 30% East Eurasian -> ANE

70% ANE + 30% UHG -> EHG
30% ANE + 70% Dzudzuana -> CHG
50% ANE + 50% something similar to Dzudzuana in Iran -> Iran Mesolithic
50% ANE + 50% East Eurasian -> Amerindians

And from which groups did Scandinavian and Baltic HGs but also Yamnaya come from?

[Petalpusher]

AHG is more related to Iron Gates (Balkan WHG), Itself sharing excess of something with AHG too, could be multi directionnal geneflow. Which could make sense even geographically and in timeframe, considering the intermediate position of IG to Villabruna and Pinarbasi, as AHG affinity is still high with some other WHGs like Villabruna, Ranchot and Bichon, the whole crew gravitating around the Alps.

https://i.postimg.cc/brFZX1Jj/Genetic-links-between-Near-Eastern-and-European-hunter-gatherers-a-Genetic-affinity.png

SHG is just WHG with some EHG/AG, but less than EHG. More or less 3/4 WHG + 1/4 AG.

Yamnaya is EHG + CHG, or Iran_N which is even more likely chronologically as BA is just afterwards neolithic and CHG Satsurblia is Paleolithic but both models work, CHG/Iran_N are close anyway, as close as Early Neo and Euro middle Neo (same thing with more WHG), except CHG was more AG before becoming more basal, reverse pull in the Caucasus through time.
https://i.postimg.cc/6QNL1xgf/Location-age-and-principal-component-analysis-PCA-of-analyzed-individuals-a.png


Bell Beaker is Yamnaya + MN/LN as IE settled in Europe and absorbed local farmers, mostly females, hence the R bias today. The usual thing anyway everytime a new comer arrives. As well as all sorts of other intermediates like CW and other BB varieties.

https://i.postimg.cc/Nfmx80Pj/Analysis-of-34-samples-from-Bronze-Age-England-a-The-PCA-of-Bronze-Age-Steppe-and-Early.png

Would be 50/50 with a MN or LN instead of early N, again rather what actually happens because IE were not there yet in the early neo (but it's a model to check WHG re emergence too here)

[vbnetkhio]

And from which groups did Scandinavian and Baltic HGs but also Yamnaya come from?

Sandinavian and Baltic HGs were a mix of WHG and EHG to various degrees, and Yamnaya was halfway between EHG and CHG, with a bit of EEF (10-15%)

https://i.imgur.com/8xctkVm.png

[vbnetkhio]

AHG is more related to Iron Gates (Balkan WHG), Itself sharing excess of something with AHG too, could be multi directionnal geneflow. Which could make sense even geographically and in timeframe, considering the intermediate position of IG to Villabruna and Pinarbasi, as AHG affinity is still high with some other WHGs like Villabruna, Ranchot and Bichon, the whole crew gravitating around the Alps.

https://i.postimg.cc/brFZX1Jj/Genetic-links-between-Near-Eastern-and-European-hunter-gatherers-a-Genetic-affinity.png

SHG is just WHG with some EHG/AG, but less than EHG. More or less 3/4 WHG + 1/4 AG.

Yamnaya is EHG + CHG, or Iran_N which is even more likely chronologically as BA is just afterwards neolithic and CHG Satsurblia is Paleolithic but both models work, CHG/Iran_N are close anyway, as close as Early Neo and Euro middle Neo (same thing with more WHG), except CHG was more AG before becoming more basal, reverse pull in the Caucasus through time.
https://i.postimg.cc/6QNL1xgf/Location-age-and-principal-component-analysis-PCA-of-analyzed-individuals-a.png


Bell Beaker is Yamnaya + MN/LN as IE settled in Europe and absorbed local farmers, mostly females, hence the R bias today. The usual thing anyway everytime a new comer arrives. As well as all sorts of other intermediates like CW and other BB varieties.

https://i.postimg.cc/Nfmx80Pj/Analysis-of-34-samples-from-Bronze-Age-England-a-The-PCA-of-Bronze-Age-Steppe-and-Early.png

Would be 50/50 with a MN or LN instead of early N, again rather what actually happens because IE were not there yet in the early neo (but it's a model to check WHG re emergence too here)

Bell beakers descend from Corded Ware, not Yamnaya. Corded Ware and Yamnaya were autosomally similar, but they had completely different Y-DNA, Yamnaya was exclusively R1b-Z2103, while Corded ware had R1a and R-l51. There's no explanation yet how this came to be.

[Dunai]

Bell beakers descend from Corded Ware, not Yamnaya. Corded Ware and Yamnaya were autosomally similar, but they had completely different Y-DNA, Yamnaya was exclusively R1b-Z2103, while Corded ware had R1a and R-l51. There's no explanation yet how this came to be.

So the Corded Ware culture are mainly the ancestors of almost all Eastern European people, since Eastern Europeans are largely R1a, while Western Europeans are R1b? I also read the Proto-Corded Ware language was the originator of Proto-Germanic and Proto-Balto-Slavic. Then from which waves of Yamnaya immigrants did Proto-Italic, Proto-Celtic, Proto-Greek, Proto-Albanian languages originate from, people who came after the Corded Ware or before them?

[Petalpusher]

Bell beakers descend from Corded Ware, not Yamnaya. Corded Ware and Yamnaya were autosomally similar, but they had completely different Y-DNA, Yamnaya was exclusively R1b-Z2103, while Corded ware had R1a and R-l51. There's no explanation yet how this came to be.

Yamnaya in the autosomal sense yes (which is what is tested there in the paper). We might just lack the samples from some earlier parralel groups in Yamnaya's vicinity that became more sucessful to create a progression initially towards CW, and then BB altogether.

[vbnetkhio]

So the Corded Ware culture are mainly the ancestors of almost all Eastern European people, since Eastern Europeans are largely R1a, while Western Europeans are R1b? I also read the Proto-Corded Ware language was the originator of Proto-Germanic and Proto-Balto-Slavic. Then from which waves of Yamnaya immigrants did Proto-Italic, Proto-Celtic, Proto-Greek, Proto-Albanian languages originate from, people who came after the Corded Ware or before them?

No, most of R1b is also from Corded ware.

The Yamnaya R1b-Z2103 is the "eastern R1b". It's only ancestral to Paleo-Balkanians and Anatolians.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-Z2103.png

Corded Ware had the "Slavic R1a", but also the "Western/Celto-Germanic" R1b-L51, and Indo-Iranic R1a-Z93. The later 2 were pushed out at one point, one went west and founded Bell Beaker, the other east and founded Fatyanovo.

Corded ware is supposed to descend from Yamnaya, but apparently there's an unpublished study in which the entire Yamnaya territory was thoroughly tested and they had only eastern R1b. And the areas around Yamnaya were populated by farmers and Hunter Gatherers as far as we know. So the origins of Corded Ware are still a puzzle.

[vbnetkhio]

Yamnaya in the autosomal sense yes (which is what is tested there in the paper). We might just lack the samples from some earlier parralel groups in Yamnaya's vicinity that became more sucessful to create a progression initially towards CW, and then BB altogether.

ok I understand, it's better to call that the "Steppe" component than "Yamnaya".

[Petalpusher]

ok I understand, it's better to call that the "Steppe" component than "Yamnaya".

Yeah agreed. That would be huge if that paper confirms the absence of other haplo in Yamnaya. That has puzzled me for a long time, because it is as it seems they were able to discriminate based on haplo, and not a very different one like E or N that may have or may not have looked visibly different. Which is something Rethel would do, but crazy in the real world of the time nonetheless. I still think we will finally find it somewhere, it can be very fringe and for some reasons had become more successful through some weird bottlenecks.

[Petalpusher]

dp

[Nurzat]

All of Italy's results are wrong on the map, or have been artificially moved to the 'north'.


Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG



Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 1.8493% / 0.01849258
46.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.6 TUR_Barcin_N
2.8 WHG
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.8 Levant_PPNB
0.4 MAR_Taforalt



Target: Italian_Lombardy
Distance: 3.0906% / 0.03090609
51.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.8 WHG

it's not Lazio, Campania and Lombardy, but averages of southern, central and northern Italy, it is also not about the 1% difference when such averages are made and some may consider different regions to include, it is about the general map of Europe on this, to see continent-wide tendencies, otherwise the individual results anyone can check since it's public data, so you are reading it wrong if you think the point was to have strict percentages with 1% error margin, it was not. also, the calculator itself needs improvement and I will think of an alternative version, once I read all input in this thread, which is very interesting and I am grateful for the quality input many members brought :)

[Kenshiro]

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG

Southern Italy is the textbook example of push and pull. Most of the Yamna is Italic or Germanic.
Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.1274% / 0.02127371
41.6 TUR_Barcin_N
30.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
6.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
This is mine from Gargano, northeast Apulia, on average i plot more with Greece and Albania and with central Italy than with the south, and on average i have 30/40% of Yamnaya and 0.5/3% WHG or EHG, plot between Crete and North Italy too
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112752
112753
I did not put the photo of the largest pca because it does not let me put it

[Nausevar]

Target: Nausevar_scaled
Distance: 0.0417% / 0.04166591
43.3 TUR_Barcin_N
36.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
9.1 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.4 Han


I don't know why the distance in percentage is 0.0417 instead of 4.17

[Gallop]

https://i.imgur.com/ySUjFu5.png


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 0.0356% / 0.03558161
52.3 TUR_Barcin_N
29.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6 WHG
4.9 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 0.0336% / 0.03360163
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.5 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.4 WHG
4.5 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Ju_hoan_North




Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 0.0442% / 0.04416133 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.9 TUR_Barcin_N
23.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.9 Baltic_LVA_HG
17.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 0.0430% / 0.04296762 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.1 TUR_Barcin_N
22.9 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
13.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N



Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 0.0477% / 0.04767343 | ADC: 1x RC
61.7 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
20.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
17.5 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 0.0473% / 0.04729793 | ADC: 1x RC
62.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
21.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
16.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

[Jingle Bell]

Target: JingleBell_scaled
Distance: 1.9944% / 0.01994363
41.6 Yoruba
22.0 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.8 WHG
3.4 MAR_Taforalt
2.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.2 Dinka
1.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.6 Mbuti

[Beowulf]

grandma got Baltic HG


Target: Abuela
Distance: 3.1106% / 0.03110638
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
5.8 WHG
2.6 MAR_Taforalt

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 4.2725% / 0.04272481
44.0 TUR_Barcin_N
38.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
3.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

[vader]

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 4.2352% / 0.04235246
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
6.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0 Dinka

Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.7159% / 0.03715887
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.2 WHG
6.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.8647% / 0.03864659
46.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.2 WHG
6.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
4.8 MAR_Taforalt
3.6 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.2 Dinka
0.4 ETH_4500BP

[hazmatnik]

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 5.5241% / 0.05524123
40.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
31.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
14.0 TUR_Barcin_N

[aherne]

Bullshit, as all genetic oracle pseudo-science. 30% steppe ancestry in Iberians vs 45% in Russians defies history and logic... While latter is possible, former is untenable: Iberia was densely inhabited so Aryans' influence was pretty small (should be three times less, as phenotypes show). 25% ENF admixture in Finns is also untenable: that area was originally inhabited by Northern Old Europeans (unknown ethnicity) then by Aryans and Finnic peoples. There were little to no ENF settlements...

[vader]

Bullshit, as all genetic oracle pseudo-science. 30% steppe ancestry in Iberians vs 45% in Russians defies history and logic... While latter is possible, former is untenable: Iberia was densely inhabited so Aryans' influence was pretty small (should be three times less, as phenotypes show). 25% ENF admixture in Finns is also untenable: that area was originally inhabited by Northern Old Europeans (unknown ethnicity) then by Aryans and Finnic peoples. There were little to no ENF settlements...

Can you provide a source that is saying Iberians get drastically less steppe which if true (it's not) would contradict the top academic studies on the subject? Because currently you're solely basing that opinion on phenotypes: "should be three times less, as phenotypes show"... That's pseudoscience - enough said.

[Gallop]

https://i.imgur.com/ySUjFu5.png


Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 0.0356% / 0.03558161
52.3 TUR_Barcin_N
29.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.6 WHG
4.9 MAR_Taforalt


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 0.0336% / 0.03360163
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.5 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.4 WHG
4.5 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Ju_hoan_North




Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 0.0442% / 0.04416133 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.9 TUR_Barcin_N
23.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.9 Baltic_LVA_HG
17.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 0.0430% / 0.04296762 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.1 TUR_Barcin_N
22.9 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
13.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N



Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 0.0477% / 0.04767343 | ADC: 1x RC
61.7 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
20.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
17.5 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 0.0473% / 0.04729793 | ADC: 1x RC
62.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
21.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
16.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


How could I have forgotten about this thread, one of the best calculators where I get incredible distance. :)

[Beowulf]

me:
Target: IvanK13
Distance: 3.1230% / 0.03123039
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
3.2 MAR_Taforalt

mother:
Target: MamaK13
Distance: 2.9698% / 0.02969786
53.4 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 WHG
5.0 MAR_Taforalt

grandmother:
Target: AbuelaK13
Distance: 2.7266% / 0.02726597
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 WHG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

grandfather:
Target: AbueloK13t
Distance: 3.6664% / 0.03666374
51.4 TUR_Barcin_N
32.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt

father:
Target: papaK13
Distance: 3.2922% / 0.03292155
57.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.8 WHG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt

[SouthDutch7991]

Is the Baltic HG greater similarity to Yamnaya causing an inflation here? This looks way too high for my dad.


Self

Target: SouthDutch7991_scaled
Distance: 0.0394% / 0.03943846
42.1 TUR_Barcin_N
39.7 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
4.0 WHG



Dad's side

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 0.0338% / 0.03379389
43.3 TUR_Barcin_N
36.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.3 Baltic_LVA_HG

Target: Paternal_Grandma_scaled
Distance: 0.0407% / 0.04067699
44.4 TUR_Barcin_N
37.7 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.9 Baltic_LVA_HG



Mom's side

Target: Maternal_Granddad_scaled
Distance: 0.0489% / 0.04888429
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.3 TUR_Barcin_N
11.0 WHG
4.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.1 Ju_hoan_North

Target: Maternal_Grandma_scaled
Distance: 0.0503% / 0.05027307
44.7 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
41.7 TUR_Barcin_N
13.6 WHG

[aherne]

Can you provide a source that is saying Iberians get drastically less steppe which if true (it's not) would contradict the top academic studies on the subject? Because currently you're solely basing that opinion on phenotypes: "should be three times less, as phenotypes show"... That's pseudoscience - enough said.

Top academic studies are worth shit if they are contradicted by history and common sense:

- Russians, being Slavs, originate from a region nearby Corded Ware homeland. That region (N Ukraine, S Belarus) was sparsely inhabited, battered by wave after wave of Aryan invasions until Balto-Slavs were born.
- Iberians, lived on the furthest side to Aryans' homeland in a region that was densely inhabited (as all Mediterranean Europe, Balkans included, during Neolithic and Antiquity). They only suffered from relatively sparse Keltic and to a much lesser extent Germanic invasions, even managed to keep their language in large parts of peninsula for a very long time (Basque being their living remnant).

You just cannot compare the two and phenotypes, as always, roughly reflect history. For example, a couple of days ago I saw a footage from Leipzig and Dresden... The level of Slavic influence there is enormous, so much so they pass better as Russian than as Danish. Why? Because those areas were settled by Slavs (even the two placenames are Slavic), then latter were gradually absorbed by Germans.

It's not that generic oracles are worthless by definition: they just didn't reach a level where they are reliable enough to be taken seriously without a big grain of salt. Racial anthropology is unfortunately still more reliable...

[alexmegas777]

Distance to: alexmegas(Romanian)_scaled
0.14471683 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.16136597 TUR_Barcin_N
0.16675029 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.18832088 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20342132 Levant_PPNB
0.30927341 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.31563361 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.36845456 WHG
0.37819812 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.45990468 Jarawa
0.46405664 MAR_Taforalt
0.61275970 Han
0.61874511 Nganassan
0.62547168 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
0.66653150 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67374577 ETH_4500BP
0.73358756 Dinka
0.74615152 Gambian
0.77221549 Yoruba
0.81024455 Papuan
0.93575727 Ju_hoan_North
0.94809076 Mbuti

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)_scaled
Distance: 3.5365% / 0.03536512
34.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.4 TUR_Barcin_N
20.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
10.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

[Jingle Bell]

Bullshit, as all genetic oracle pseudo-science. 30% steppe ancestry in Iberians vs 45% in Russians defies history and logic... While latter is possible, former is untenable: Iberia was densely inhabited so Aryans' influence was pretty small (should be three times less, as phenotypes show). 25% ENF admixture in Finns is also untenable: that area was originally inhabited by Northern Old Europeans (unknown ethnicity) then by Aryans and Finnic peoples. There were little to no ENF settlements...

30% sounds very accurate fro the 4 Waves of Indo-Europeans which occoured in Iberia, in Copper Age the Bell Beakers of Central Europe get in iberia, mixed with the Megalicthics and creates the Bell Beakers of Iberia (10 - 15% Steppe), after that in the BA - IA te Urnfield cultutre starts to expand in all directions and in iberia too, in the Late Bronze Age the Proto-Celts were alr in Catalonia, and after much more waves coming from Hallsttat Culture we saw individuals from Middle Iron Age which were scoring 9% - 16% Steppe in Tartessos, 15% - 23% in Iberians (The tribe from East of Peninsula) and 25% - 32% Steppe in the North were Celtiberian language were spoken, and even after that we saw Romans settlers in Iberia ( 15% - 25% Steppe) but they kinda shifted Iberia so despite begin another Indo European invasion they still dont change Steppe component to a bigger level, and the Final Indo-European imigration occours on Final of Roma were Suebi, Alans and Goth get kimdons in Iberia, from south to north, despite that begin the qave with the minor impact (Germanic are abt 3% - 5% of genepool and they werent pure germanic, they were heavily Celts from Central Europe too) that still occoured and created the modern Iberian with 24% in Basques to 33% on Pirineus, which a average of 28% on East and 30 on Steppe, so u still think that after 4 Waves of Indo Europeans (Bell Beaker, Celts, Romans, Germanic) that 30% is too much for Iberia and that should be 3x less
and no, thats was not comproved by only 1 study, but by multiple studies on qpAdm, g25, archeological sites on Iberia, Central Europe and all Mediterran and also was confirmed by historians, man Celts replaced abt 28% - 43% of previous Acestry in the East in Bronze Age - Iron Age (thats just on East were the Celtiberians a mixed tribe lived, the number would be even bigger on the West were the "pure" celts lived)
About the phenos, Central Bell Beakers & Celts clusters with Frenchs (a mix of Med, Alpine, CM, Dinaric and Nordic), Romans clusters with S. Italians and Greeks (A mix of Dinaric, Med, Armenoid and Alpine), Germanics were variable, some clusters on Serbia, some in germany, some in French so u know, all the phenotypes which i said occours in Iberia, so what wrong?

[aherne]

30% sounds very accurate fro the 4 Waves of Indo-Europeans which occoured in Iberia

You can believe what you want... You answer my logic with more oracle "mumbo-jumbo": this is called a circular argument. Let's ignore both genetic estimates and racial anthropology then concentrate on population densities as far as we can tell from archaeological remains: if we accept that RU are 45% "steppe" but Iberians are 30%, then to reconcile with vast population density differences between (then forested) North-Central Europe and Iberian Peninsula it means that a lot more Aryans poured into the peninsula than stayed in central Europe. While that is not impossible, I find it extremely unlikely... If that were true, the entire peninsula would have been Aryanized long before, when in reality when Romans came 1/2 still spoke the old (Basque-like) languages and even in Celtiberians the local influence was enormous: given that many places even around Madrid, in full Keltiberian heartland, have Iberian names.

[Kenshiro]

experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

(Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

straight outta Paint xD


TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972 329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524 476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.0837 92,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.0128 13
Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048


https://i.imgur.com/ySUjFu5.png

Bersaglio: Kenshiro_scaled
Distanza: 2.1004% / 0.02100382
39.6 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
19.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
5.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.8 Han
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
Strange i have Baltic HG but not WHG, from North Apulia (south Italy)

[Dušan]

experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

(Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

straight outta Paint xD


TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Baltic_LVA_HG,0.1292603,0.1004104,0.1802636,0.1972 329,0.1064236,0.0560919,0.0083574,0.0207106,0.0524 476,-0.0261394,-0.0046788,-0.0181151,0.0281434,-0.0053759,0.0355759,0.0480141,0.003072,0.0040856,-0.0059236,0.042325,0.0613526,0.0130531,-0.0262979,-0.1110549,0.0095949
RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.0837 92,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.0128 13
Mbuti,-0.647426,0.0591038,0.0254932,0.0374034,-0.001108,0.0066378,0.3663348,-0.293434,0.0177118,0.02985,-0.0089316,0.2198242,0.1264506,0.0010182,0.010342,-0.0014052,0.0009386,-0.0518664,0.014229,0.003727,0.0061144,-0.0018548,-0.0043878,0.0025304,-0.0006944
Ju_hoan_North,-0.616466,0.0601194,0.0211942,0.028424,0.0025852,-0.0038486,0.2541404,-0.199192,0.0240112,0.007909,0.0032478,-0.0723558,-0.0255104,0.00867,0.0283928,-0.0321662,0.0461558,0.4102178,-0.1364076,0.003877,-0.0556018,-0.0051686,0.0126206,-0.0044826,0.0028978
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048


https://i.imgur.com/ySUjFu5.png



For map:


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Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 5.5615% / 0.05561473
37.2 TUR_Barcin_N
36.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
12.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

[majevica]

Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 4.5417% / 0.04541661
48.0 TUR_Barcin_N
36.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.2 Han

[Beowulf]

me:
Target: IvanK13
Distance: 3.1230% / 0.03123039
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
3.2 MAR_Taforalt

mother:
Target: MamaK13
Distance: 2.9698% / 0.02969786
53.4 TUR_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 WHG
5.0 MAR_Taforalt

grandmother:
Target: AbuelaK13
Distance: 2.7266% / 0.02726597
54.2 TUR_Barcin_N
32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8 WHG
1.6 MAR_Taforalt

grandfather:
Target: AbueloK13t
Distance: 3.6664% / 0.03666374
51.4 TUR_Barcin_N
32.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt

father:
Target: papaK13
Distance: 3.2922% / 0.03292155
57.2 TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.8 WHG
2.0 MAR_Taforalt

With real coordinates:

Target: Ivorix_Scaled
Distance: 0.0314% / 0.03139359
52.4 TUR_Barcin_N
36.1 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
0.9 MAR_Taforalt

[Katarzyna]

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 6.4866% / 0.06486644
38.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Wow I am far below the average on Yamnaya. Looks like I have to move to Romania soon to keep up with it ;)

[ugochaves]

Target: ugo_scaled
Distance: 5.7275% / 0.05727527
43.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.8 TUR_Barcin_N
24.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.8 Han
0.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

[ugochaves]

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 6.4866% / 0.06486644
38.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Wow I am far below the average on Yamnaya. Looks like I have to move to Romania soon to keep up with it ;)
But you don't have Asians like me. They annoy me

[Katarzyna]

But you don't have Asians like me. They annoy me

No but therefore I am apparently related to the brown kinds of Europeans hahaha. Wanna trade ?

[alnortedelsur]

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 3.6642% / 0.03664230
38.2 TUR_Barcin_N
27.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
7.2 WHG
6.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
5.8 MAR_Taforalt
3.2 Yoruba
0.4 Mbuti

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 3.7380% / 0.03738044 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.4 TUR_Barcin_N
24.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
6.0 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
5.6 MAR_Taforalt
3.8 Gambian

[ugochaves]

No but therefore I am apparently related to the brown kinds of Europeans hahaha. Wanna trade ?
Ahaha, Thank You. You have good results...But I am what I am, a Russian, not a Pole

[ugochaves]

The results of my ex-wife. That's probably why we broke up with her...there is no divisive Asia...
Target: ugo_wife_scaled
Distance: 6.4964% / 0.06496358
44.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.6 TUR_Barcin_N
24.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.4 Han

[cass]

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 6.4866% / 0.06486644
38.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Wow I am far below the average on Yamnaya. Looks like I have to move to Romania soon to keep up with it ;)
Do you have new results?

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 6.2265% / 0.06226500
42.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.0 TUR_Barcin_N
23.8 Baltic_LVA_HG


Target: cass
Distance: 4.7507% / 0.04750676
41.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.8 TUR_Barcin_N
21.8 Baltic_LVA_HG

[Nurzat]

Target: Katarzyna_scaled
Distance: 6.4866% / 0.06486644
38.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Wow I am far below the average on Yamnaya. Looks like I have to move to Romania soon to keep up with it ;)


it's because you get a lot of Baltic hunter-gatherer, which we don't - you're 1/4 Baltic HG, I'm only 1/8 for example, according to this run, however you get total 36% Neolithic while I get 45%, so the results seem pretty much in line with geographic expectations in the end. also, Romania is just next to Ukraine, actually a lot of northeast Romanians are rather recently Romanianized Ruthenians (gradually more Balkan as you go South and less as you go North), which explains Yamnaya scores - Romania was the first place out of the Pontic steppe that Yamnaya expanded to (actually Eastern side of Romania is part of the Pontic -steppe and -steppe-forest region)

[sage]

it's because you get a lot of Baltic hunter-gatherer, which we don't - you're 1/4 Baltic HG, I'm only 1/8 for example, according to this run, however you get total 36% Neolithic while I get 45%, so the results seem pretty much in line with geographic expectations in the end. also, Romania is just next to Ukraine, actually a lot of northeast Romanians are rather recently Romanianized Ruthenians (gradually more Balkan as you go South and less as you go North), which explains Yamnaya scores - Romania was the first place out of the Pontic steppe that Yamnaya expanded to (actually Eastern side of Romania is part of the Pontic -steppe and -steppe-forest region)
Nope north east Romanians are not just romanized Ruthenians we are balkan population close to Bosnians , Croats,and serbs not Ruthenians

[MercifulServant]

Target: Decius_scaled
Distance: 5.2792% / 0.05279238
39.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
33.6 TUR_Barcin_N
17.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

[Nurzat]

Nope north east Romanians are not just romanized Ruthenians we are balkan population close to Bosnians , Croats,and serbs not Ruthenians

you are confusing similarity with real descent: the resulting mix is similar to ex-Yugoslavs in terms of Slavic/Balkan ratio, however the origin is different, as the Slavic in Moldovans is directly East Slavic, moreso than in other Romanians that came back from the Balkans with some assimilated Slavic DNA already.

also, I don't know how much you know about the region, but Ukrainian last names are abundant in Suceava, Botosani and Iasi counties among already Romanianized Moldovans, which points to recent Ruthenian origin, while checking census data from 1890-to-1910 a lot of villages that used to be fully Ruthenian at the census are now fully Romanian in the same counties. other than that, Suceava county also has a lot of villages still speaking Ukrainian, i.e. ethnically preserved to this day. but there was a long process of Ruthenian-Vlach mix in Moldova region, which is not yet completed (it will be completed after complete assimilation of remaining Ukrainian speakers and with the complete assimilation of Moldovan-speaking Moldovans into Romanian-speaking Romanians, i.e. the local Moldovan dialect is slowly dying out as well). then as you go south from Suceava-Botosani-Iasi the Slavic origin can only be guessed, as it's not showing up in surnames anymore, but only in place/river/brook names and it's more diluted, more mixed with Vlach or other stuff that then got Vlachized/Romanianized

[sage]

you are confusing similarity with real descent: the resulting mix is similar to ex-Yugoslavs in terms of Slavic/Balkan ratio, however the origin is different, as the Slavic in Moldovans is directly East Slavic, moreso than in other Romanians that came back from the Balkans with some assimilated Slavic DNA already.

also, I don't know how much you know about the region, but Ukrainian last names are abundant in Suceava, Botosani and Iasi counties among already Romanianized Moldovans, which points to recent Ruthenian origin, while checking census data from 1890-to-1910 a lot of villages that used to be fully Ruthenian at the census are now fully Romanian in the same counties. other than that, Suceava county also has a lot of villages still speaking Ukrainian, i.e. ethnically preserved to this day. but there was a long process of Ruthenian-Vlach mix in Moldova region, which is not yet completed (it will be completed after complete assimilation of remaining Ukrainian speakers and with the complete assimilation of Moldovan-speaking Moldovans into Romanian-speaking Romanians, i.e. the local Moldovan dialect is slowly dying out as well)
I know this region well I was born in it. Well you said Moldovans are just Romanianized Ruthenians but that not true all Balkanites including Moldovans are just balkan and Slavic in different ratios. Nothing more and nothing less

[sage]

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[Annihilus]

Target: annihilus_g25_sim
Distance: 2.1037% / 0.02103656
40.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
25.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Han
1.2 Levant_PPNB

[Nurzat]

I know this region well I was born in it. Well you said Moldovans are just Romanianized Ruthenians but that not true all Balkanites including Moldovans are just balkan and Slavic in different ratios. Nothing more and nothing less

it depends what you refer to - look at Suceava and Botosani county Moldovans that have Ukrainian last names and get results similar tu Ukrainians in nearby Chernivtsi, Ivano Frankivsk and Zakarpattia regions, those are obviously Romanianized Ruthenians. other thn that, northern half of Moldova can be modelled over 50% Ukrainian while southern tip of Moldova is over 50% non-East Slavic so you have a gradient, overall Moldovans are broadly half Ruthenian and half a mix of Vlachs and whatever other populations left their trace in the region, genetically.

actually for Moldova I would not consider all non-Slavic to be automatically Balkan, since Neolithic has been strong in the region and based on YDNA hgs there is trace of that to this day, so part of the Neolithic DNA in Moldovans must be Trypillia/Globular Amphora etc, not recent Balkanic, not all brought by Vlachs

[sage]

it depends what you refer to - look at Suceava and Botosani county Moldovans that have Ukrainian last names and get results similar tu Ukrainians in nearby Chernivtsi, Ivano Frankivsk and Zakarpattia regions, those are obviously Romanianized Ruthenians. other thn that, northern half of Moldova can be modelled over 50% Ukrainian while southern tip of Moldova is over 50% non-East Slavic so you have a gradient, overall Moldovans are broadly half Ruthenian and half a mix of Vlachs and whatever other populations left their trace in the region, genetically.

actually for Moldova I would not consider all non-Slavic to be automatically Balkan, since Neolithic has been strong in the region and based on YDNA hgs there is trace of that to this day, so part of the Neolithic DNA in Moldovans must be Trypillia/Globular Amphora etc, not recent Balkanic, not all brought by Vlachs dude get over it I know you dont like Romania so you makes this theories and pure Romanians ( not recent mix or romanized Ukrainians) from seceava and botsani don't scores close to Ukrainians.they plot next to Croats and Bosnians. Moldovans are still balkan and are not different from nw Romanians. So good bye nurzat its was a riot talking to ya lol

[ScandinavianCelt]

Using a "superkit", combining my Ancestry+23andMe data:

Target: Brad
Distance: 3.5711% / 0.03571111

47.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
5.0 WHG

Target: Brad
Distance: 3.5827% / 0.03582707 | ADC: 0.25x RC

45.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.8 TUR_Barcin_N
18.2 Baltic_LVA_HG


Seems to reflect a proper balance of my Swedish-French-UK heritage.

[cass]

Target: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Distance: 12.6762% / 0.12676169
40.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
34.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
20.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.0 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP


Indeed, the fascinating large distance of WHG and Lithuanians to Han

Distance to: Han
0.34735917 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
0.37317830 Nganassan
0.48627431 Saami
0.48769251 Udmurt
0.49348303 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.52126315 Saami_Kola
0.54468276 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.56143009 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.56171661 Russian_Pinega
0.57033186 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57538314 Finnish_North
0.57677327 Finnish_East
0.57866596 Russian_Kostroma
0.58180465 Finnish_Central
0.58513745 Finnish_Southeast
0.58760165 Cossack_Kuban
0.58935769 Finnish_Southwest
0.59468352 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.59480874 Russian_Tver
0.59690849 Russian_Ryazan
0.59733799 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.60141484 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.60171141 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.60270627 Russian_Kursk
0.60297861 Russian_Orel
0.60387020 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.60564793 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.60661277 Russian_Kaluga
0.60735750 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.60766398 Russian_Belgorod
0.60792130 Estonian
0.60800386 Russian_Voronez
0.60835662 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.60847263 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.60946295 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.60957490 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.60984014 Russian_Pskov
0.61029266 Swedish
0.61029729 Croatian
0.61103146 Russian_Smolensk
0.61217182 Czech
0.61231877 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.61262764 Norwegian
0.61293263 Polish
0.61300693 Polish_Silesian
0.61331332 Dutch
0.61388988 German_Hamburg
0.61408151 Lithuanian_PA
0.61462521 German_Erlangen
0.61480197 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.61519584 Scottish
0.61525512 German
0.61527920 Cypriot
0.61530034 Orcadian
0.61665963 Lithuanian_VA
0.61699294 Lithuanian_RA
0.61700555 Icelandic
0.61868701 Latvian
0.61875161 German_East
0.61942106 Polish_Kashubian
0.61968919 Lithuanian_VZ
0.62045546 Lithuanian_PZ
0.62074097 Lithuanian_SZ
0.64666917 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.65923237 TUR_Barcin_N
0.67251125 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.70899154 WHG