Iberomaurusians had bigger/stronger clavicles than Neanderthals!

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

I can't do a direct quote because the article is an image, but Iberomaurusians had larger clavicles than even Neanderthals. WHG had to hit shoulders with barbell overhead press 3 times per week to compare.






https://www.persee.fr/doc/paleo_0153-9345_1995_num_21_2_4620

[XenophobicPrussian]

North African governments should state sanction weightlifting/powerlifting, all that Iberomaurusian talent being wasted on soccer/football, put those Lithuanians and Icelanders in their place.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

North African governments should state sanction weightlifting/powerlifting, all that Iberomaurusian talent being wasted on soccer/football, put those Lithuanians and Icelanders in their place.

North African Y-DNA(E-M81 is directly descendant from Natufian) suggests that they are recent(Neolithic) migrants from Levant rather than descendants from IBM. I would say this genetic element is found more in western africans who had genetic input from IBM related groups like Kiffians for example.

[XenophobicPrussian]

North African Y-DNA(E-M81 is directly descendant from Natufian) suggests that they are recent(Neolithic) migrants from Levant rather than descendants from IBM. I would say this genetic element is found more in western africans who had genetic input from IBM related groups like Kiffians for example.
Modern North Africans are still 30% Iberomaurusian, you put way too much weight on Y-DNA. West Africans don't have more than North Africans.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Modern North Africans are still 30% Iberomaurusian, you put way too much weight on Y-DNA. West Africans don't have more than North Africans.

Lol I don't really believe any ethnicity in modern Africa can attribute close to a third of their ancestry to IBM, but maybe you're right. Regardless, that's not what this post is about. I just find it interesting how a modern human can have clavicle bones bigger/larger than Neanderthals when even UP Cro-Mags in Europe did not reach that level of robusticity. And who were IBM metrically closest to? In the article it says they closely resembled UP Europeans but their skulls look distinct to me.

[Luso]

that explains why my shoulders are so broad even when I barely have gymmaxed.

https://i.imgur.com/IGctapV.jpg

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

that explains why my shoulders are so broad even when I barely have gymmaxed.

https://i.imgur.com/IGctapV.jpg

It’s because your ancestors used those wide clavicles to swim across the Mediterranean into Iberia.

[Hamilcar]

North African Y-DNA(E-M81 is directly descendant from Natufian) suggests that they are recent(Neolithic) migrants from Levant rather than descendants from IBM. I would say this genetic element is found more in western africans who had genetic input from IBM related groups like Kiffians for example.

there is no evidence of this, quite the opposite actually with natufians having IBM admixture :


Our co-modeling of Epipaleolithic Natufians and Ibero-Maurusians from Taforalt confirms that the Taforalt population was mixed1 , but instead of specifying gene flow from the ancestors of Natufians into the ancestors of Taforalt as originally reported, we infer gene flow in the reverse direction (into Natufians). The Neolithic population from Morocco, closely related to Taforalt is also consistent with being descended from the source of this gene flow, and appears to have no admixture from the Levantine Neolithic (Supplementary Information 167 section 3). If our model is correct, Epipaleolithic Natufians trace part of their ancestry to North Africa, consistent with morphological and archaeological studies that indicate a spread of morphological features22 and artifacts from North Africa into the Near East. Such a scenario would also explain the presence of Y-chromosome haplogroup E in the Natufians and Levantine farmers, a common link between the Levant and Africa.

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2_0.pdf


Always a strong link between IAM and modern NAs :

https://i.imgur.com/pI5xF9R.jpg


btw some soussis can be modelled as 40-50% IBM !

[Jaromir]

very good, scientific thread, full of truth

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

very good, scientific thread, full of truth

Is that sarcasm?lol

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

there is no evidence of this, quite the opposite actually with natufians having IBM admixture :



https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2_0.pdf


Always a strong link between IAM and modern NAs :

https://i.imgur.com/pI5xF9R.jpg


btw some soussis can be modelled as 40-50% IBM !


Modern NA do have significant IBM admixture however, E-M81 comes directly from the Natufian branch. Natufians overall had about 13-15 percent IBM admixture. Their E haplo and african admixture probably came from a different group that lived around Egypt instead of directly from iberomaursians