Ancient Hellenes anatolian cypriot like?

[Vasilisk]

Eurogenes wrote that ancient Iron age Greeks are going to be anatolian/cypriot like what do you think?

[Ion Basescul]

That's kind of expected after we saw the Myceneans, no?

[lockdownboredom]

Anatolian Bronze age like? Which Greeks? Anatolian Greeks? Then obviously they will carry that DNA profile.

[Vasilisk]

Anatolian Bronze age like? Which Greeks? Anatolian Greeks? Then obviously they will carry that DNA profile.
He talked about ancient Iron age Greeks on general he didn't specify any particular ancient Greek group

[vbnetkhio]

He talked about ancient Iron age Greeks on general he didn't specify any particular ancient Greek group

this is what he said:


Greeks do have Cypriot-like ancestry, it's just that it's not necessarily from Cyprus.

This is obvious by looking at modern Greek DNA vs Mycenaean DNA.

But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.

[Vasilisk]

this is what he said:
Yes mistake on my part. I'm new on genetics so what is your opinion on this? I expected some more steppe heavy samples but it doesn't seem like it

[vbnetkhio]

Yes mistake on my part. I'm new on genetics so what is your opinion on this? I expected some more steppe heavy samples but it doesn't seem like it

It's simple, we already have Steppe heavy samples from the middle bronze age. After that there are the Mycenaeans, which were a mix of the Steppe invaders and Minoan-like peoples. Then in Classical Greece, there were no large steppe migrations, but there were immigrants coming from Anatolia and Levant, and they mixed with the Mycenaeans.

[Leto]

I swear some still believe ancient Greeks were almost Northern Europeans.

[Vasilisk]

It's simple, we already have Steppe heavy samples from the middle bronze age. After that there are the Mycenaeans, which were a mix of the Steppe invaders and Minoan-like peoples. Then in Classical Greece, there were no large steppe migrations, but there were immigrants coming from Anatolia and Levant, and they mixed with the Mycenaeans.
How much slavic ancestry Greeks have? Form what I have seen I would say Greek mainlanders are something like 15-25% slavic is this correct?

[Ayetooey]

A link to the page for what the op is talking about. https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2021/05/beware-of-greeks-bearing-gifts.html

"Note that most of the present-day Greek groups cluster together, and they also form fairly neat clines with the other Greeks, as well as Cypriots, other Balkan populations, including those speaking Slavic languages, and also the Slavic-speaking Ukrainians. On the other hand, they don't overlap with any of the ancient groups from Greece and surrounds, nor do they generally form obvious clines with them.

To me this suggests that most present-day Greeks harbor significant levels of Slavic ancestry and some sort of recent Cypriot-related ancestry, and in large part they're only coincidentally similar to ancient Aegeans, including those from the MBA (labeled Greece_Helladic_MBA in my graphs).".

[Ayetooey]

Doesn't surprise me anyway. The Mycenaean samples were very west Asianish as it stands, and there would have been cross migrations from the wider Greek world in Asia beyond that point.

[Vasilisk]

I swear some still believe ancient Greeks were almost Northern Europeans.
When I say steppe I mean a bit more something like 80-90%mycaenean like and an extra 10-20%steppe. That's what I thought would be representive of iron age Greeks

[Kaspias]

The input acquired during IA seems to be Anatolian-like, yes, but I wouldn't miss the option Steppe also might be present at that stage of migration, again. Note the shift of modern Greeks compared to the BA populations. When excluding the Slavic admixture, the remaining part is pretty much pointing out Anatolian BA. However, modern ones simultaneously showing Thracian-like influence as well while Asia Minor Greeks are showing an additional Steppe admixture compared to BA.

https://i.ibb.co/vJxKd5R/rumlar.png

[Vasilisk]

The input acquired during IA seems to be Anatolian-like, yes, but I wouldn't miss the option Steppe also might be present at that stage of migration, again. Note the shift of modern Greeks compared to the BA populations. When excluding the Slavic admixture, the remaining part is pretty much pointing out Anatolian BA. However, modern ones simultaneously showing Thracian-like influence as well while Asia Minor Greeks are showing an additional Steppe admixture compared to BA.

https://i.ibb.co/vJxKd5R/rumlar.png
Thanks for your insight. An extra question is it possible to say how much slavic ancestry Greeks have? From what I have heard we have on average around 10-25% is this correct??

[Leto]

When I say steppe I mean a bit more something like 80-90%mycaenean like and an extra 10-20%steppe. That's what I thought would be representive of iron age Greeks
Not you, I mean people who think ancient Greeks were significantly less woggy than modern Greeks. According to those goofuses they might as well have been Norwegian-style blondes.

[Kaspias]

Thanks for your insight. An extra question is it possible to say how much slavic ancestry Greeks have? From what I have heard we have on average around 10-25% is this correct??

It is not likely to separate Greece_BA admixture and Thracian/Macedonian admixture acquired in IA as both groups have similar kinds of admixtures(Balkan N, Anatolian BA, Steppe BA), the algorithm basically merges them into one therefore I did not even add BGR_IA and the others to not to create overfitting and isolated Greece_BA. However, I added an additional Steppe_BA to prevent higher Slavic scores which is a false alarm.

Besides it, exactly the same model you see in PCA I run through vahaduo. Awesome fits over here.

https://i.ibb.co/RTKGb5t/model.png

[Vasilisk]

OK thanks I got the general idea is that Greeks have some slavic ancestry but we will need a few more samples to be sure how much of it