Hutsuls | Great collection

[FedorZimin]

Large photo-collection showing the Hutsul people, East-Slavic ethnic group living in the Carpathian Mountains of Western Ukraine and Eastern Slovakia.

XIX-XX century photos

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[FedorZimin]

And also, some modern-age images of hutsuls


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[Jana]

Nice thread. They are east Slavic though.

[FedorZimin]

Yep, sure. Just my mistake

[Nurzat]

wonderful. my people. I cried

[Komintasavalta]

Right on the Travv Scale (closer to Volga Bulgaria):

https://i.imgur.com/VaOYUkF.jpg

Left on the Travv Scale (closer to Bulgaria):

https://i.imgur.com/0FZ9fpM.jpg

[FedorZimin]

I also thought those young girls was from southern slavic ethnic groups, but this photos was taken in the Carpathians.

[Jaromir]

if they look Eastern Slavic what do look Belarusians and Russians?

[KirillMazur]

Nice pictures. They can be called Eastern Slavs quite conditionally i think, mainly because of the language. Too Balkan (Dinaro-Alpine) shifted, both subracially and culturally.
Eastern Poles (and Central to a certain extent) are bigger East Slavs than Hutsuls in fact:).

[Satem]

Nice pictures. They can be called Eastern Slavs quite conditionally i think, mainly because of the language. Too Balkan (Dinaro-Alpine) shifted, both subracially and culturally.
Eastern Poles (and Central to a certain extent) are bigger East Slavs than Hutsuls in fact:).

Excuse me? Maybe just those Belarusians from Podlasie and some Mazovians but not as a whole, come on



Anyway, very nice idea for a thread:thumb001:

[Nurzat]

Nice pictures. They can be called Eastern Slavs quite conditionally i think, mainly because of the language. Too Balkan (Dinaro-Alpine) shifted, both subracially and culturally.
Eastern Poles (and Central to a certain extent) are bigger East Slavs than Hutsuls in fact:).

Hutsuls call themselves руснаки in my region, it shows great continuity from Old Slavs. also, Hutsuls traditionally keep cattle, in Eastern Slavic tradition, not sheep (where they keep sheep they probably had more contact with Balkan shepherds). culturally very East Slavic to this day if you consider Belarusians and Western Ukrainians to be Eastern Slavs. the other Rus'-descended groups more to the east got various other influences from various other peoples, Caucasian and Uralic mainly, and assimilating those it brought them more EHG (Russians) and more CHG (Southern Russians). at least we could say Hutsuls and Russians are equally distant from Rus', not that Russians are the standard, for that (closest to Slavic roots) I would look to the regions in the Ukraine/Belarus/Russia contact region, not farther.

what early Slavic sample we could use to test today's populations against?

[KirillMazur]

Excuse me? Maybe just those Belarusians from Podlasie and some Mazovians but not as a whole, come on

Anyway, very nice idea for a thread:thumb001:

Hutsuls call themselves руснаки in my region, it shows great continuity from Old Slavs. also, Hutsuls traditionally keep cattle, in Eastern Slavic tradition, not sheep (where they keep sheep they probably had more contact with Balkan shepherds). culturally very East Slavic to this day if you consider Belarusians and Western Ukrainians to be Eastern Slavs. the other Rus'-descended groups more to the east got various other influences from various other peoples, Caucasian and Uralic mainly, and assimilating those it brought them more EHG (Russians) and more CHG (Southern Russians). at least we could say Hutsuls and Russians are equally distant from Rus', not that Russians are the standard, for that (closest to Slavic roots) I would look to the regions in the Ukraine/Belarus/Russia contact region, not farther.

what early Slavic sample we could use to test today's populations against?
In my opinion, the reference eastern Slavs are the southern and southeastern Belarusians, northern Ukrainians and Russians of the Smolensk, Bryansk and Kursk regions.
In any direction from these places, the level of peripherality increases. The Hutsuls, IMHO, are even farther from the reference than the Russians from the north of the Arkhangelsk region, who are almost Finns. In southern Russians, the Pontid-Iranid element is sometimes noticeable, so they aren't reference, too. Plus, the Hutsuls have a musical instrument (in the photo in the form of a long pipe), whose sound is very alien to R1a - most likely this is the legacy of a non-Indo-European substrate in the Hutsuls.
In any case, the Eastern Poles (I don't know, they are actually Belarusians or not) are closer to the "mainstream" Eastern Slavs.

[Daco Celtic]

Hutsuls call themselves руснаки in my region, it shows great continuity from Old Slavs. also, Hutsuls traditionally keep cattle, in Eastern Slavic tradition, not sheep (where they keep sheep they probably had more contact with Balkan shepherds). culturally very East Slavic to this day if you consider Belarusians and Western Ukrainians to be Eastern Slavs. the other Rus'-descended groups more to the east got various other influences from various other peoples, Caucasian and Uralic mainly, and assimilating those it brought them more EHG (Russians) and more CHG (Southern Russians). at least we could say Hutsuls and Russians are equally distant from Rus', not that Russians are the standard, for that (closest to Slavic roots) I would look to the regions in the Ukraine/Belarus/Russia contact region, not farther.

what early Slavic sample we could use to test today's populations against?

Just another group of Slavs that learned to survive in the mountains from Vlachs. All joking aside, Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors about the Hutsul is one of my favorite movies.

[Nurzat]

our Hutsul pronunciation seems to have some similarities to Polish, Belarusian or Czechoslovak, more than to the guy speaking Ukrainian in the video (only as pronunciation, not words, words/language are the same), for example:

- when accent on E, we pronounce it Æ / Ä (like сäрцә instead of серце)
- we often pronounce U instead of O (like гулуб instead of голуб)
- we soften T' / D' to K' / G' (кь / ґь) (like нігокь instead ніготь)
- when there is JA we say JE (like єблуко instead of яблуко)
- when V is final in a syllable we pronounce it W (like українціў instead of українців or воўк instead of вовк)

and there are more. however, absolutely no phonetical influence of Romanian on Hutsul, which is interesting


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s17lFFhbiMs

[Nurzat]

...

actually there is too much artificial fragmentation, each tiny dialect can be called another language politically, but is that productive? Slavic languages could be reduced to:

- Russian (find a middle ground between Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian)
- Polish
- Czechoslovak
- Serbo-Croatian
- Macedo-Bulgarian

I am not sure about Slovenian, it could be another language, but Yugos should know better.

that is one opinion. another one is of course to fragment it to each dialect and if local people wish that, then we could have for example Hutsul and Moldovan as different languages, but if they standardize it to the most extreme variant, as different from Ukrainian and Romanian as they can.