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JamesBond007
05-25-2021, 12:13 PM
Marxism is reality everything else is a smokescreen or bullshit in order for people at the top of the totem pole to keep their position – prove me wrong ! Everyone remember that thread that basicall Southern Europeans vs Northern Europeans or ‘Southern Europeans don’t want to be northern Europeans” or whatnot ?

Was that an objective rational/logical philosphical and scientific debate ? No !


Karl Marx’s analysis of capitalism is recognised by scholars on both the right and the left as highly significant in explaining the formation and continuance of the fundamental economic and social inequalities witnessed within advanced industrial societies. His theory of historical materialism states that the source of human progress and historical change is not to be found in “legal relations” or “political forms,” but rather “in the material conditions of life” . By this Marx means that the economic relations of human beings determine all other relations in that society. Material survival rather than the development of rationality and spiritual thinking forms the fundamental basis of human endeavour in each historical epoch. In challenging the individualist, liberal theorising of many of his contemporaries, Marx argued that industrial society had not created a radically new society of rational individuals endowed with free will, but instead introduced a new form of industrial slavery which in many ways replicated the medieval serfdom of feudal society. “Freedom” in industrial society is thus an illusion created by a more complex set of societal relations in which political and legal institutions—designated by Marx as part of the “superstructure” of capitalism—reproduced and reinforced these economic relations as appropriate and just. In explaining this contention, Marx.

In the social production of their existence, men inevitably enter into definite relations, which are independent of their will, namely relations of production appropriate to a given stage in the development of their material forces of production. The totality of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society, the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness. The mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political and intellectual life. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness--Bruce M.Z. Cohen, professor of sociology Auckland New Zealand

Diego Garcia went so far as to claim I was mentally ill or crazy in that that thread. The neoliberal capitalist class seeks to remove themselves from the problems they create in society from changing the site of change from being at the community level to the individual level. Marxism is scientific socialism and capitalism is not scientific is chaotic, anarchic, and riddled with contradictions. There is still no valid test for ‘mental illnesses’ or ‘mental disorders’ the only so called test is politically motivated statistical manipulation and a victory for psychiatric rhetoric over science : The etiology of mental disorders remains unknown and the field of mental health still does not have a biological marker or genetic test that could be used for diagnostic purposes.

Since the 1970s capitalism shifted from being more welfare or community orientated to neoliberalism since then psychiatry has increasingly become more about social control. The mental health system can now be considered as an ideological tool of capitalism which normalises the ongoing oppression of the majority of the population through a psychiatric discourse which has become totalising – or ‘hegemonic’.

Benyzero
05-25-2021, 12:50 PM
Iam pretty much sceptical of western people that are communist, or socialists, because they never witnessed it in action like east euros. Actually it is pretty sucks. :D

mitalit
05-25-2021, 12:58 PM
The British are the only ones who can be Marxists, others can imitate it, but it will never be the same.

JamesBond007
05-25-2021, 01:59 PM
Iam pretty much sceptical of western people that are communist, or socialists, because they never witnessed it in action like east euros. Actually it is pretty sucks. :D

Sorry, being from the Anglo-Sphere I am not familiar with the term 'east euros' I thought there was just one Euro currency.

JamesBond007
05-25-2021, 02:11 PM
The British are the only ones who can be Marxists, others can imitate it, but it will never be the same.

Sorry, I am not quite sure what you mean since Jeremy Corbyn or someone like him is not in charge of government in Britain. Also, in true Marxism or Communism there is no state.

Arūnas
05-25-2021, 02:48 PM
Iam pretty much sceptical of western people that are communist, or socialists, because they never witnessed it in action like east euros. Actually it is pretty sucks. :D


https://youtu.be/lN_-PbsXDtA

Unknown European
05-25-2021, 02:49 PM
https://youtu.be/f5rUPatnXSE
http://4umi.com/nietzsche/zarathustra/29

Marxists just want to be tyrants

Ayetooey
05-25-2021, 03:23 PM
What happened to An-Capitalism?

Dick
05-25-2021, 04:11 PM
What happened to An-Capitalism?

He realized life is easier to be dependent on government handouts so he can sit on his ass all day

JamesBond007
05-25-2021, 05:11 PM
https://youtu.be/f5rUPatnXSE
http://4umi.com/nietzsche/zarathustra/29

Marxists just want to be tyrants

1 in 4 people in the US and UK are psychiatric slaves, 450 million worldwide. The top 1% of the population own the vast majority of the wealth, and most people are wage slaves at best etc...

Freedom under capitalism is an illusion.

JamesBond007
05-25-2021, 05:33 PM
He realized life is easier to be dependent on government handouts so he can sit on his ass all day

Someone here called me 'mentally ill' :

Psychology/psychiatry have
become an increasingly powerful component of capitalist ideology, ruling ideas that endorse exploitation and sabotage struggles against oppression. This psychology circulates way beyond colleges and clinics, and different versions of psychology as ideology are now to be found nearly everywhere in capitalist society. The dominant norms and values of the ruling classes are reflected in the psychiatric discourse on human behaviour and the workings of the mind. Consequently, the psy-professions are responsible for facilitating the maximisation of profit for the ruling classes while individualising the social and economic conditions of the workers. The mental health system seeks to normalise the fundamentally oppressive relations of capitalism by focusing on the individual—rather than the society—as the site of change -- the individual is seen as pathological and in need of adjustment through “treatment” options such as drugs, ECT, and therapy. ECT and some of the drugs are brain damaging etc...

Unknown European
05-25-2021, 05:34 PM
The top 1% of the population own the vast majority of the wealth

Good that's how it should be

Teutone
05-25-2021, 05:57 PM
1 in 4 people in the US and UK are psychiatric slaves, 450 million worldwide. The top 1% of the population own the vast majority of the wealth, and most people are wage slaves at best etc...

Freedom under capitalism is an illusion.

The top 1% are usually gifted with a combination of a superior skillset, mindset and work ethics.
Only a margin of the 1% never put any effort in obtaining that wealth.

Corporatism the actual system in power just makes it incredible hard for new players to establish cause the old players use the power of a ongoing growing Government through Patent laws, subsidies, financial markets and lobbyism.

These are all unfair involvements in the free market by the government.

The real tyranny here is the amount of taxes we gotta pay for a natural unefficent and ongoing growing government. Being mostly independent from the Government and earn your own money with freedom of contracts and property is the opposite of slavedom.

JamesBond007
05-26-2021, 05:46 AM
The top 1% are usually gifted with a combination of a superior skillset, mindset and work ethics.
Only a margin of the 1% never put any effort in obtaining that wealth.

Corporatism the actual system in power just makes it incredible hard for new players to establish cause the old players use the power of a ongoing growing Government through Patent laws, subsidies, financial markets and lobbyism.

These are all unfair involvements in the free market by the government.

The real tyranny here is the amount of taxes we gotta pay for a natural unefficent and ongoing growing government. Being mostly independent from the Government and earn your own money with freedom of contracts and property is the opposite of slavedom.

So, I can attend Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard or Yale for free and not be excluded for 'class reasons' ?

While personal and individual freedom in the marketplace is guaranteed, each individual is held responsible and accountable for his or her own actions and well-being Individual success or failure are interpreted in terms of entrepreneurial virtues or personal failings (such as not investing signficantly enough in one’s own human capital through education) rather than being attributed to any systemic property (such as the class exclusions usually attributed to capitalism).

For instance, my father and mother are not rich alumni from Harvard etc...and I did not receive a private school elite level education preparing me for those schools .

There are free MIT course materials online MOOC MIT Opencourseware but I can't physically attend MIT and get a diploma even if I master the material because of capitalist class exclusions.


So , I can have the mindset and the skillset but not be recognized for it with a diploma and in capitalist places such as America employers demand official diplomas.

JamesBond007
05-26-2021, 06:06 AM
Good that's how it should be

Why ?

KirillMazur
05-28-2021, 03:57 PM
Here in the very purpose of communism there is a double interpretation. For Russians, communism is a supra-clan communality, and for Marx it is clan one (without specifying whose clan).

So, without a clear interpretation of foreign words, we can go wrong again. Look at what the replacement of the word "narodovlastie" by "democracy" in the constitution has led to.

As for Marx, he was far from the first to talk about communism, and not the last. Everything flows, everything changes, and "communism", as a certain term or concept, is constantly being modified, expanded and interpreted. I think that there is not and cannot be any "only correct" definition of the concept of communism. Of course, everyone, to the extent of their ability and/or depravity, understands it in their own way, but within the framework of some paradigm.

For me (in general terms) communism is a person's idea of ​​justice, which is not sent down to him as a gift from God (unlike religion), but which he can realize himself, developing internally, becoming better.

Idealistic, in general, but if we do not talk about classes, about property and other "material" things, then it is quite suitable - after all, people are looking for their ideals of life in different things. Why not communism?

The British are the only ones who can be Marxists, others can imitate it, but it will never be the same.
"The goal of Marxism is the eternal class struggle outside Britain" - at least that's how it was originally.

Adrianv2
05-28-2021, 04:07 PM
The USA recently gave 323,000 Venezuelans temporary protected status. Gee I wonder why they left that Socialist paradise.

Diego Garcia
05-28-2021, 04:10 PM
Marxism and Capitalism are the two sides of the same coin.

mitalit
05-28-2021, 05:19 PM
"The goal of Marxism is the eternal class struggle outside Britain" - at least that's how it was originally.
It was a little joke :p