European demographics - maps & charts

[Sebastianus Rex]

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Black Population in Europe (estimates)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Europeans_of_African_ancestry

All together, from these estimates and statistics there are roughly 12.5 million Black people in Europe, with over two-thirds from the United Kingdom or France.

If North Africans, who are of Berber or Arab ancestry, were to be included, this estimate would double to nearly 22 million.

More than 1,000,000 sub-Saharan Africans had settled in Europe between 2010 and 2017.[19]

France 5,464,000-6,000,000 Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants; estimate based on total SSA+Caribbean born (1.718 million) and their descendants using a 1.9x multiplier on the former and by adding this to those born in the Primarily Black DOM-TOMs (Reunion, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, Mayotte and Saint Martin - 2.206 million). A 1.9x multiplier is used as Sub-Saharan Africans have a longer migration history in France than in Sweden or Germany, where detailed demographic stats show a ratio of 1.6 of total SSA descent population to "SSA and Caribbean born" population. This is likely a slight underestimate (error: ± 300,000) - there are likely slightly more SSA descent French since Sub Saharan immigration into France started much earlier than elsewhere in Europe except the United Kingdom; using the ratios from the United Kingdom (census 2011 vs foreign born 2011), for instance, there would be more than 6 million SSA descent in France including the DOM TOMs.

UK 2,500,000 - 3,000,000 The United Kingdom has approximately 2.5 million black people, inclusive of mixed race, according to the 2011 Census.

Italy 867,000 (2020)[3] Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, Estimating descendants who may have Italy as country of birth. There are approximately 584,000 blacks born outside Italy; of which 493k are Sub-Saharan African born and 88k Caribbean born in Italy; assuming the ratio of Sub-Saharan descent to Sub-Saharan born in Italy is similar to that of Germany and Sweden, we estimate 867,000 Black People in Italy (this includes illegal migrants). Note, Sub-Saharan African does not include Moroccans, Egyptians, Libyans or Tunisians, as these populations are respectively Arab or Berber and not Black. There are over 1.5 million North Africans, inclusive of descendants, in Italy. This is likely a slight overestimate - but with high precision (error ±60,000).

Spain 700,000 (2020)[4] Approximated using statistics on foreign-born persons to estimate full and partial descendants based on birth statistics. There are 286,000 born in Sub Saharan Africa and an additional 184,000 born in S.S African Majority Latin America and Caribbean (Dominican Republic, Haiti etc. - we try to account for the countries where Blacks are small minorities like Argentina by fully counting Caribbean born population as black). Assuming the ratio of Sub-Saharan descent to Sub-Saharan born in Spain is similar to that of Germany and Sweden, we estimate 700,000 Black People in Spain. Most are from former Spanish colonies in Latin America and Equatorial Guinea, also includes many contract workers from Africa. This statistic does not include Moroccans, who alone comprise a community over 800,000 in Spain as they are North-Africans and not Black. This is a precise estimate (error: ± 5,000).

Germany 529,000 [5](2019) Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage account for 529,000 people (357,000 if we only count those born in Sub-Saharan Africa), with Egyptians/Algerians/Moroccans and similar North Africans comprising an additional 459,000. Germany provides a rather accurate "ethnic" demography since its yearly microcensus determines a person's ancestry by identifying anyone with one grandparent born outside Germany as with "migration background", marking their background as that of their dominant non-German background. This allows a relatively accurate count of German ethnic demographics. This is a precise census number.

Netherlands 490,000 (2019)[6] Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage account for roughly 490,000 people. Most have roots from former Dutch colonies in the Caribbean. A portion of Surinamese descended are counted in this as many have significant Sub-Saharan African ancestry. This is a precise census number.

Portugal 450,000 (2019)[7] Approximated using statistics on foreign born persons to estimate full and partial descendants based on birth statistics. Most have roots from former Portuguese colonies in Africa. There are over 200,000 Sub Saharan born immigrants in Portugal, majority from the ex-colonies in Africa. This is an estimate, likely a slight overestimate (error: ± 30,000). [8]

Belgium 410,000 (2019)[9] Estimate making use of current sub-Saharan born population (240,069) and approximate progeny born and their descendants based on historical migration and birth statistics. Most have roots in the former Belgian colonies of the Congo, Rwanda, and Burundi as well as other French-speaking African countries. This is an estimate, likely a slight overestimate (error: ± 25,000).

Sweden 316,490
(2020)[10]
Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage are counted. Consists mostly of recent immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers. Most of them are from Somalia, Eritrea and countries around. Some French and British nationals of African descent can be found in Malmö and Stockholm, as well as many African-Americans in the country playing diverse sports like Basketball that stand in the country for all life. This is a precise census number.

Austria 148,000 (2020)[11] Estimate making use of current Sub-Saharan born population (68,843) , Caribbean born (21,730) for total foreign born black population (90,573) and approximate progeny born and their descendants based on historical migration and birth statistics. A multiple of 1.4x is used as migration has shorter time background. See here for access to country of birth data. This is a precise estimate .

Norway 115.000

Switerzland 114.000

Republic of Ireland 64,639 (2016)[12] Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage are counted. 2016 Census is used. This is a precise census number.

Denmark 52,795 (2019)[13] Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage are counted. Irregular migrants are counted in this due to the use of the Schengen Information System markers - as overstays are counted as "present" in one given country - and thus the European estimate evens out). This is a precise census number.

Finland 46,866 (2019)[14] I.e., according to Statistics Finland, people in Finland:
• whose both parents are Sub-Saharan African-born (SSA; i.e., all other African countries but Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Sudan and Tunisia),
• or whose only known parent was born in SSA,
• or who were born in SSA and whose parents' countries of birth are unknown.[15]
Thus, for example, people with one Finnish parent and one SSA parent or people with more distant SSA ancestry are not included in this country-based non-ethnic figure. Because the figure is country-based, it may include some Sub-Saharan white Africans.
Also, SSA-born adoptees' backgrounds are determined by their adoptive parents, not by their biological parents.
They are mainly from Somalia, Nigeria, DR Congo, Ethiopia, and Ghana. This is a census number.
All together, from these estimates and statistics there are roughly 12.5 million Black people in Europe, with over two-thirds from the United Kingdom or France.

Luxembourg 30,000 (2019) [11]
Estimate making use of current Sub-Saharan born population (18,253) and approximate progeny born and their descendants based on historical migration and birth statistics.

The remaining 14 states of the European Union have fewer than 100,000 individuals of Sub-Saharan African descent all together.[16] As countries such as Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania and Greece have received little to no immigration from Sub Saharan Africa or interaction that would have caused the formation of black or mixed race communities. Black populations, inclusive of descendants, mixed race people, and temporary students, number fewer than 10,000 in each of these states.[16]

[Tooting Carmen]

(1) The supposedly traditionalist and fertile countries in Eastern Europe - particularly Russia itself - are actually facing even worse population decline than Western Europe. (2) A lot of those stats regarding race and immigration in the future are pure conjecture - neither birth rates nor immigration rates will necessarily be the same as now. (Case in point - Black Caribbeans in Britain are actually declining in number, due to a combination of not much immigration since the 60's, lowish birth rates and high rates of intermarriage). (3) For all the talk of Germany's multiculturalism and high levels of immigration, the Black population per capita is less than in quite a few other European countries - most of their non-whites are Turks and Arabs, plus they also have plenty of immigration from other European countries too. (4) Austria and Switzerland have relatively few non-white births compared to lots of other Western Euro countries (plus pockets of the Balkans with lots of Romani), despite having quite a high percentage of immigrants. Therefore, most of their immigrants are probably from Southern and Eastern Europe. (5) The percentage of immigrants in Turkey provided is surely an underestimate, given its exceptionally large number of refugees from Syria and Iraq in particular.

[Jana]

(1) The supposedly traditionalist and fertile countries in Eastern Europe - particularly Russia itself - are actually facing even worse population decline than Western Europe.

Who exactly claimed eastern European countries are fertile? They have probably lowest birth rate in the world (excluding muslims or Gypsies there)

[Tooting Carmen]

Wh0o exactly claimed eastern European countries are fertile? They have probably lowest birth rate in the world (excluding muslims there)

A lot of people on this forum and elsewhere like to portray Eastern Europe as a bastion of "strong families, strong faith" compared to 'decadent' Western Europe.

[Jana]

A lot of people on this forum and elsewhere like to portray Eastern Europe as a bastion of "strong families, strong faith" compared to 'decadent' Western Europe.

Nobody portrayed EE as high fertility area, you made that up. Yes, eastern Europe is more conservative than western in general.

[Tooting Carmen]

Nobody portrayed EE as high fertility area, you made that up. Yes, eastern Europe is more conservative than western in general.

Yes and no. Czechia is as or more libertine than most Western European countries. Even Hungary is not necessarily that conservative, regardless of what Orban might suggest. If we want to talk about the rural areas of Poland, Ukraine and Russia, than yes I'd agree.

[Jana]

Yes and no. Czechia is as or more libertine than most Western European countries. Even Hungary is not necessarily that conservative, regardless of what Orban might suggest. If we want to talk about the rural areas of Poland, Ukraine and Russia, than yes I'd agree.

They are more conservative in a sense that they reject immigration and are not that friendly towards non whites. I spoke of average btw.

[Damião de Góis]

The number of black people in Portugal is most likely wrong. We would only know if we did a proper census.

Also the "foreigners" counted are only newly arrivals so it doesn't tell the whole story.

[Sebastianus Rex]

The number of black people in Portugal is most likely wrong. We would only know if we did a proper census.

Also the "foreigners" counted are only newly arrivals so it doesn't tell the whole story.

I agree, they are surely more than 450.000 (counting mixed people).

By immigrants is only counted the foreign born population, wich are over 800.000 in Portugal.

[Tooting Carmen]

I agree, they are surely more than 450.000 (counting mixed people).

Mixed-race people are their own category - neither Black nor White.


By immigrants is only counted the foreign born population, who are over 800.000 in Portugal.

And a lot of them are retirees from Northern Europe, aren't they?

[Sebastianus Rex]

Mixed-race people are their own category - neither Black nor White.

Depends on the criteria some of these estimates use.


And a lot of them are retirees from Northern Europe, aren't they?


Many of those are not considered neither permanent nor temporary residents since they keep their first residence in their home countries and come spend a few months p/year in their secondary residences. So many if not most of the retirees don't count as immigrants on these stats.

[Teutone]

I agree, they are surely more than 450.000 (counting mixed people).

By immigrants is only counted the foreign born population, wich are over 800.000 in Portugal.

Is there a ethno-nationalist concept in Portugal?

Even Salazar seemed to be a catholic/portugese ethnic universalist.

How would you define your Personal ideal for portugal in terms of ethnic composition?

[Sebastianus Rex]

Is there a ethno-nationalist concept in Portugal?

For many years we were told no, that we are universalist because of the colonies and all that crap. But Yes, for the people there is a and it is rising, the party Chega! worths already 10% of the voters.


Even Salazar seemed to be a catholic/portugese ethnic universalist.

Salazar personally was not catholic neither universalist in that sense, he viewed the catholic church as an utilitary institution for morals and order. Regarding the universalism, he only agreed with policies of assimilation later on, because of pressures of some of his ministers who theorized that only a larger degree of assimilation would prevent Portugal from losing the colonies.



https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estatuto_do_ind%C3%ADgena

The Statute of the Indigenous is the term used to define the rights, but above all the duties, of the indigenous people of the Portuguese colonies, expressed in several legal diplomas.

The first was the Political, Social and Criminal Statute of the Indigenous of Angola and Mozambique, 1926, the Colonial Act of 1930, the Organic Charter of the Portuguese Colonial Empire and Overseas Administrative Reform, of 1933 and finally the Statute of the Portuguese Indigenous of the Provinces of the Guinea, Angola and Mozambique, approved by Decree-Law of 20 May 1954, and which was a law that aimed at the "assimilation" of indigenous people in the colonial (western) culture. The statute was abolished in 1961 with the reforms introduced by Adriano Moreira when he was Minister of Overseas, with the aim of allowing indigenous people easier and more comprehensive access to Portuguese citizenship and the rights inherent to it.

Until the introduction of the Statute and, in general, the indigenous people had virtually no civil or legal rights, nor citizenship. With the new law, three population groups were established: the indigenous, the assimilated and the white. For the passage, it was necessary to demonstrate a set of requirements (such as knowing how to read and write, dress and profess the same religion as the Portuguese and maintain standards of life and customs similar to Europeans, for example) that the Indigenous would have to achieve in order to obtain the status of "assimilated" and to be able to enjoy rights that were forbidden to non-assimilated indigenous people.




How would you define your Personal ideal for portugal in terms of ethnic composition?

100% Iberian!!!

[Tooting Carmen]

For many years we were told no, that we are universalist because of the colonies and all that crap. But Yes, for the people there is a and it is rising, the party Chega! worths already 10% of the voters.



Salazar personally was not catholic neither universalist in that sense, he viewed the catholic church as an utilitary institution for morals and order. Regarding the universalism, he only agreed with policies of assimilation later on, because of pressures of some of his ministers who theorized that only a larger degree of assimilation would prevent Portugal from losing the colonies.





100% Iberian!!!

So only Spaniards and Andorrans could migrate to your utopian Portugal then? xD Not even Italians, Greeks, French people or marginally admixed Brazilians?

[Tooting Carmen]

For many years we were told no, that we are universalist because of the colonies and all that crap. But Yes, for the people there is a and it is rising, the party Chega! worths already 10% of the voters.



Salazar personally was not catholic neither universalist in that sense, he viewed the catholic church as an utilitary institution for morals and order. Regarding the universalism, he only agreed with policies of assimilation later on, because of pressures of some of his ministers who theorized that only a larger degree of assimilation would prevent Portugal from losing the colonies.





100% Iberian!!!

So only Spaniards and Andorrans could migrate to your utopian Portugal then? xD Not even Italians, Greeks, French people or marginally admixed Brazilians?

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Portugal is a country in a very fast trasition, the streets of Lisbon have more black people that most brazilian cities.

[Tooting Carmen]

Portugal is a country in a very fast trasition, the streets of Lisbon has more black people that most brazilian cities.

Per capita Portugal is probably the third most Black nation in Europe after Britain and France. (On the other hand, it has a lot fewer MENAs and Asians than many other Western countries do).

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Per capita Portugal is probably the third most Black nation in Europe after Britain and France. (On the other hand, it has a lot fewer MENAs and Asians than many other Western countries do).

The third or the second.

[Asten]

Interesting result. I don't believe in prediction of 2050 populations, in 1990 they have said that we will have flying cars in 2010 ahaha

[Sebastianus Rex]

So only Spaniards and Andorrans could migrate to your utopian Portugal then? xD Not even Italians, Greeks, French people or marginally admixed Brazilians?

I meant for obtaining nationality. Don't pass the DNA test, out of the Iberian plot no nationality, just the status of "assimilado". Ius Sanguinis all the way !

Immigration is another thing, I am not against selective immigration.

[Damião de Góis]

Per capita Portugal is probably the third most Black nation in Europe after Britain and France. (On the other hand, it has a lot fewer MENAs and Asians than many other Western countries do).

The number of south asians has increased a lot in the last years. Very visible in Lisbon at least.

[Tutankhamun]

I agree, they are surely more than 450.000

By immigrants is only counted the foreign born population, wich are over 800.000 in Portugal.

I think so, Portugal is lucky that its African immigrants are from its former colonies. Well, a Cape Verdean/Angolan immigrant who speaks Portuguese and who is a Christian is much better than a Moroccan in Spain or an Algerian in France, or Arab in northern Europe. Although I speak in a layman's way, I don't know how Africans behave in Portugal.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Per capita Portugal is probably the third most Black nation in Europe after Britain and France. (On the other hand, it has a lot fewer MENAs and Asians than many other Western countries do).

Per capita possibly the second, ahead of the UK.

[Tooting Carmen]

Per capita possibly the second, ahead of the UK.

Really?

[Luso]

Per capita possibly the second, ahead of the UK.

we had a lot of Africans from the colonies coming to the Algarve. Makes sense. Is there any figure for how many are in each area?

[Sebastianus Rex]

I think so, Portugal is lucky that its African immigrants are from its former colonies. Well, a Cape Verdean/Angolan immigrant who speaks Portuguese and who is a Christian is much better than a Moroccan in Spain or an Algerian in France, or Arab in northern Europe. Although I speak in a layman's way, I don't know how Africans behave in Portugal.

That is changing also, many new africans are not from the ex colonies (wich were more assimilados) and are not called António but rather Mamadou and go to the mosque.

[Sebastianus Rex]

we had a lot of Africans from the colonies coming to the Algarve. Makes sense. Is there any figure for how many are in each area?

No, it's hard enough to estimate for the whole country.

The portuguese census wich we already answered for 2021 doesn't ask about ethnicity or race, only about religion.

[Tooting Carmen]

No, it's hard enough to estimate for the whole country.

The portuguese census wich we already answered for 2021 doesn't ask about ethnicity or race, only about religion.

Does it ask for country of birth and/or nationality at least?

[Sebastianus Rex]

The number of south asians has increased a lot in the last years. Very visible in Lisbon at least.

Per capita I believe it's considerably worse in the Algarve and some rural areas.

[Luso]

Per capita I believe it's considerably worse in the Algarve and some rural areas.

I'm asking bc we know there's a higher rate of african maternal haplogroups in the algarve than in other regions.

[Tooting Carmen]

Per capita I believe it's considerably worse in the Algarve and some rural areas.

What about Porto? CV says it is very multiracial now, but when I visited it just over a decade ago it seemed quite modest in that respect.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Does it ask for country of birth and/or nationality at least?

Yes.

[Sebastianus Rex]

What about Porto? CV says it is very multiracial now, but when I visited it just over a decade ago it seemed quite modest in that respect.

Was there 2 or 3 yrs ago, and it is not VERY multiracial but definitely becoming increasingly so...still no comparison with Lisbon.

[Tooting Carmen]

Was there 2 or 3 yrs ago, and it is not VERY multiracial but definitely becoming increasingly so...still no comparison with Lisbon.

Yes, I'd say the gap between Lisbon and Porto in terms of multiracialism is very much bigger than it is between London and Birmingham, or Paris and Marseille.

[Hamilcar]

wow didn't expect switzerland and greece to have such low demography and why do you focus on black people ?

[Tooting Carmen]

wow didn't expect Switzerland and Greece to have such low demography?

Do you mean low numbers of immigrants and non-whites? Many of Switzerland's immigrants are actually Southern and Eastern Europeans (though there are quite a few Arabs and Turks too), while aside from Albanians many if not most immigrants in Greece are in transit.

[Sebastianus Rex]

wow didn't expect switzerland and greece to have such low demography and why do you focus on black people ?

I didn't. There was just not a map for the black population like there was for the muslim population, so I had to copy/paste the article from wikipedia with the estimates.

Couldn't find any for the Asian population, would post if I find one. But I read there was an estimate for 5 million in 2010, now must be much greater, it's visible on the streets of many cities and there was also the refugee crisis etc.

[Tutankhamun]

That is changing also, many new africans are not from the ex colonies (wich were more assimilados) and are not called António but rather Mamadou and go to the mosque.

And where are Guinea-Bissau from? because I have seen some Bissau-Guinean on facebook with these names, although they speak Portuguese they had these strange names and they were Muslims.

[Tooting Carmen]

I didn't. There was just not a map for the black population like there was for the muslim population, so I had to copy/paste the article from wikipedia with the estimates.

Couldn't find any for the Asian population, would post if I find one. But I read there was an estimate for 5 million in 2010, now must be much greater, it's visible on the streets of many cities and there was also the refugee crisis etc.

Still, even in Leicester you don't have to venture that far out to find schools that look like this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?344306-State-the-main-phenotypes-of-these-students-from-a-semi-rural-school-in-Leicestershire

[Hamilcar]

Do you mean low numbers of immigrants and non-whites? Many of Switzerland's immigrants are actually Southern and Eastern Europeans (though there are quite a few Arabs and Turks too), while aside from Albanians many if not most immigrants in Greece are in transit.

no I meant inhabitants

I'm surprised Belgium has more people than countries like austria, greece, switzerland, etc

[Varda]

Vast majority of people who live in Serbia and they are not born in Serbia are Serbs from Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro.

[Sebastianus Rex]

no I meant inhabitants

I'm surprised Belgium has more people than countries like austria, greece, switzerland, etc

The Low Countries have really high density population. I think Dutch agriculture is the most effective in Europe (not sure about the quality of the products tough, probably full of chemicals).

Austria, Switzerland and Greece are very mountainous, not that much of good agricultural land.

[zueira]

Per capita Portugal is probably the third most Black nation in Europe after Britain and France. (On the other hand, it has a lot fewer MENAs and Asians than many other Western countries do).

dutch and belgium?

[Tooting Carmen]

dutch and belgium?

Still a bit less than Portugal.

[zueira]

Still a bit less than Portugal.

mena population in uk?

[Tooting Carmen]

mena population in uk?

Sizeable and growing, but still per capita lower than it'd be in France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany etc.

[Cernunnos]

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Black Population in Europe (estimates)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Europeans_of_African_ancestry

All together, from these estimates and statistics there are roughly 12.5 million Black people in Europe, with over two-thirds from the United Kingdom or France.

If North Africans, who are of Berber or Arab ancestry, were to be included, this estimate would double to nearly 22 million.

More than 1,000,000 sub-Saharan Africans had settled in Europe between 2010 and 2017.[19]

France 5,464,000-6,000,000 Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants; estimate based on total SSA+Caribbean born (1.718 million) and their descendants using a 1.9x multiplier on the former and by adding this to those born in the Primarily Black DOM-TOMs (Reunion, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, Mayotte and Saint Martin - 2.206 million). A 1.9x multiplier is used as Sub-Saharan Africans have a longer migration history in France than in Sweden or Germany, where detailed demographic stats show a ratio of 1.6 of total SSA descent population to "SSA and Caribbean born" population. This is likely a slight underestimate (error: ± 300,000) - there are likely slightly more SSA descent French since Sub Saharan immigration into France started much earlier than elsewhere in Europe except the United Kingdom; using the ratios from the United Kingdom (census 2011 vs foreign born 2011), for instance, there would be more than 6 million SSA descent in France including the DOM TOMs.

UK 2,500,000 - 3,000,000 The United Kingdom has approximately 2.5 million black people, inclusive of mixed race, according to the 2011 Census.

Italy 867,000 (2020)[3] Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, Estimating descendants who may have Italy as country of birth. There are approximately 584,000 blacks born outside Italy; of which 493k are Sub-Saharan African born and 88k Caribbean born in Italy; assuming the ratio of Sub-Saharan descent to Sub-Saharan born in Italy is similar to that of Germany and Sweden, we estimate 867,000 Black People in Italy (this includes illegal migrants). Note, Sub-Saharan African does not include Moroccans, Egyptians, Libyans or Tunisians, as these populations are respectively Arab or Berber and not Black. There are over 1.5 million North Africans, inclusive of descendants, in Italy. This is likely a slight overestimate - but with high precision (error ±60,000).

Spain 700,000 (2020)[4] Approximated using statistics on foreign-born persons to estimate full and partial descendants based on birth statistics. There are 286,000 born in Sub Saharan Africa and an additional 184,000 born in S.S African Majority Latin America and Caribbean (Dominican Republic, Haiti etc. - we try to account for the countries where Blacks are small minorities like Argentina by fully counting Caribbean born population as black). Assuming the ratio of Sub-Saharan descent to Sub-Saharan born in Spain is similar to that of Germany and Sweden, we estimate 700,000 Black People in Spain. Most are from former Spanish colonies in Latin America and Equatorial Guinea, also includes many contract workers from Africa. This statistic does not include Moroccans, who alone comprise a community over 800,000 in Spain as they are North-Africans and not Black. This is a precise estimate (error: ± 5,000).

Germany 529,000 [5](2019) Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage account for 529,000 people (357,000 if we only count those born in Sub-Saharan Africa), with Egyptians/Algerians/Moroccans and similar North Africans comprising an additional 459,000. Germany provides a rather accurate "ethnic" demography since its yearly microcensus determines a person's ancestry by identifying anyone with one grandparent born outside Germany as with "migration background", marking their background as that of their dominant non-German background. This allows a relatively accurate count of German ethnic demographics. This is a precise census number.

Netherlands 490,000 (2019)[6] Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage account for roughly 490,000 people. Most have roots from former Dutch colonies in the Caribbean. A portion of Surinamese descended are counted in this as many have significant Sub-Saharan African ancestry. This is a precise census number.

Portugal 450,000 (2019)[7] Approximated using statistics on foreign born persons to estimate full and partial descendants based on birth statistics. Most have roots from former Portuguese colonies in Africa. There are over 200,000 Sub Saharan born immigrants in Portugal, majority from the ex-colonies in Africa. This is an estimate, likely a slight overestimate (error: ± 30,000). [8]

Belgium 410,000 (2019)[9] Estimate making use of current sub-Saharan born population (240,069) and approximate progeny born and their descendants based on historical migration and birth statistics. Most have roots in the former Belgian colonies of the Congo, Rwanda, and Burundi as well as other French-speaking African countries. This is an estimate, likely a slight overestimate (error: ± 25,000).

Sweden 316,490
(2020)[10]
Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage are counted. Consists mostly of recent immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers. Most of them are from Somalia, Eritrea and countries around. Some French and British nationals of African descent can be found in Malmö and Stockholm, as well as many African-Americans in the country playing diverse sports like Basketball that stand in the country for all life. This is a precise census number.

Austria 148,000 (2020)[11] Estimate making use of current Sub-Saharan born population (68,843) , Caribbean born (21,730) for total foreign born black population (90,573) and approximate progeny born and their descendants based on historical migration and birth statistics. A multiple of 1.4x is used as migration has shorter time background. See here for access to country of birth data. This is a precise estimate .

Norway 115.000

Switerzland 114.000

Republic of Ireland 64,639 (2016)[12] Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage are counted. 2016 Census is used. This is a precise census number.

Denmark 52,795 (2019)[13] Sub-Saharan Africans and their descendants, alongside any by racial or mixed race of African heritage are counted. Irregular migrants are counted in this due to the use of the Schengen Information System markers - as overstays are counted as "present" in one given country - and thus the European estimate evens out). This is a precise census number.

Finland 46,866 (2019)[14] I.e., according to Statistics Finland, people in Finland:
• whose both parents are Sub-Saharan African-born (SSA; i.e., all other African countries but Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Sudan and Tunisia),
• or whose only known parent was born in SSA,
• or who were born in SSA and whose parents' countries of birth are unknown.[15]
Thus, for example, people with one Finnish parent and one SSA parent or people with more distant SSA ancestry are not included in this country-based non-ethnic figure. Because the figure is country-based, it may include some Sub-Saharan white Africans.
Also, SSA-born adoptees' backgrounds are determined by their adoptive parents, not by their biological parents.
They are mainly from Somalia, Nigeria, DR Congo, Ethiopia, and Ghana. This is a census number.
All together, from these estimates and statistics there are roughly 12.5 million Black people in Europe, with over two-thirds from the United Kingdom or France.

Luxembourg 30,000 (2019) [11]
Estimate making use of current Sub-Saharan born population (18,253) and approximate progeny born and their descendants based on historical migration and birth statistics.

The remaining 14 states of the European Union have fewer than 100,000 individuals of Sub-Saharan African descent all together.[16] As countries such as Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Romania and Greece have received little to no immigration from Sub Saharan Africa or interaction that would have caused the formation of black or mixed race communities. Black populations, inclusive of descendants, mixed race people, and temporary students, number fewer than 10,000 in each of these states.[16]

20% of non "white" births in Portugal? Not even gypsies reproduce that much to reach those numbers, blacks and even brazilians are almost completly westernized in that regard.

[Dušan]

I found this on internet, but I dont know is it complete accurate.

https://i.imgur.com/d8U8l4k.png

[Cernunnos]

I found this on internet, but I dont know is it complete accurate.

https://i.imgur.com/d8U8l4k.png

Cyprus includes the Turkish part?

[Sebastianus Rex]

20% of non "white" births in Portugal? Not even gypsies reproduce that much to reach those numbers, blacks and even brazilians are almost completly westernized in that regard.

Doesn't mean they are white does it ?

Brazil is all western and is the murder capital of the World...at least from there's semi reliable statistics.

20% honestly sounds legit...if not more. Anyway I don't give a shit about losing population, it will be even a good thing if the lower IQ and parasitical portions of the population stop breeding...it would only raise quality. The ideal population for Portugal is around 5-6 million. 7-8 at most

[Ygsi]

https://i.redd.it/4ii3ply1m0t61.jpg

Baltics, here I come!

[Dunai]

It's normal for Eastern Europe to steadily empty out, since right in its vicinity there is Western Europe, which offers way more financial possibilities for the average person here. Most people are driven by economic factors, since they want to provide the best they can for themselves and for their loved ones.

[Sebastianus Rex]

It's normal for Eastern Europe to steadily empty out, since right in its vicinity there is Western Europe, which offers way more financial possibilities for the average person here. Most people are driven by economic factors, since they want to provide the best they can for themselves and for their loved ones.

Correct, you just forgot to mention that pimping the welfare is a significant part of those economic factors.

[Cernunnos]

Doesn't mean they are white does it ?

Brazil is all western and is the murder capital of the World...at least from there's semi reliable statistics.

20% honestly sounds legit...if not more. Anyway I don't give a shit about losing population, it will be even a good thing if the lower IQ and parasitical portions of the population stop breeding...it would only raise quality. The ideal population for Portugal is around 5-6 million. 7-8 at most

20% might be legit.... If we only count as "White" the births where the two parents are of Portuguese ethnicity . I don't know who made the map, who is behind the data and how did they reach those numbers, but I assume he or they count as non white all births from mixed, gypsy, black, asian and brazilian couples.

There will be some immigrants in these studies (even if a minority) that might be mostly or even of entirely european ancestry and coming from countries that those who made the essay might assume as 100% "non white" countries. Also take in consideration that most Eastern Euros (and perhaps most Euros living here) have their children in their home countries, like the Romanian women I know here when the 8th/9th month of pregnancy reaches they go back to Romania to have their children and then return.

[Dunai]

According to EU Commission data estimates, in these EU countries are the most Roma people living. I believe it's much closer to reality than the official numbers the countries provide:

1. Romania 1.850.000
2. Bulgaria 750.000
3. Spain 725.000
4. Hungary 700.000
5. Slovakia 500.000
6. France 400.000
7. Greece 265.000
8. Czechia 250.000
9. Italy 140.000
10. Germany 105.000
11. Portugal 70.000
12. Sweden 42.500
13. Croatia 40.000
14. Ireland 37.500
14. Netherlands 37.500
16. Belgium 30.000
17. Austria 25.000
18. Poland 12.731
19. Finland 11.000
20. Slovenia 8.500
21. Latvia 5.600
22. Denmark 5.500
23. Lithuania 3.000
24. Cyprus 1.250
24. Estonia 1.250
26. Luxembourg 300
27. Malta 0

[Ion Basescul]

According to EU Commission data estimates, in these EU countries are the most Roma people living. I believe it's much closer to reality than the official numbers the countries provide:

1. Romania 1.850.000
2. Bulgaria 750.000
3. Spain 725.000
4. Hungary 700.000
5. Slovakia 500.000
6. France 400.000
7. Greece 265.000
8. Czechia 250.000
9. Italy 140.000
10. Germany 105.000
11. Portugal 70.000
12. Sweden 42.500
13. Croatia 40.000
14. Ireland 37.500
14. Netherlands 37.500
16. Belgium 30.000
17. Austria 25.000
18. Poland 12.731
19. Finland 11.000
20. Slovenia 8.500
21. Latvia 5.600
22. Denmark 5.500
23. Lithuania 3.000
24. Cyprus 1.250
24. Estonia 1.250
26. Luxembourg 300
27. Malta 0

Same data, but percentage-wise as part of the total population
https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/combatting-discrimination/roma-eu/roma-inclusion-eu-country_en

Country Percent
Bulgaria 10.33%
North Macedonia 9.59%
Slovakia 9.17%
Romania 8.32%
Serbia 8.18%
Hungary 7.05%
Turkey 5.97%
Spain 3.21%
Albania 3.18%
Montenegro 2.95%
Moldova 2.49%
Greece 2.47%
Czech Republic 1.96%
Kosovo 1.47%

It should also be mentioned that this does not take emigration into consideration. I have been several times to Bucharest this year, and have travelled every district within the city by metro, tram, bus and foot. If the average is 8% for Romania, then surely that should be comparable for Bucharest, if not more, since it's a capital. But I wouldn't give it even 5%. And I've yet to meet a begging Roma there, as is very often seen in cities from Western Europe. Many are probably gone for good.

[Dunai]

Same data, but percentage-wise as part of the total population
https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/combatting-discrimination/roma-eu/roma-inclusion-eu-country_en

Country Percent
Bulgaria 10.33%
North Macedonia 9.59%
Slovakia 9.17%
Romania 8.32%
Serbia 8.18%
Hungary 7.05%
Turkey 5.97%
Spain 3.21%
Albania 3.18%
Montenegro 2.95%
Moldova 2.49%
Greece 2.47%
Czech Republic 1.96%
Kosovo 1.47%

It should also be mentioned that this does not take emigration into consideration. I have been several times to Bucharest this year, and have travelled every district within the city by metro, tram, bus and foot. If the average is 8% for Romania, then surely that should be comparable for Bucharest, if not more, since it's a capital. But I wouldn't give it even 5%. And I've yet to meet a begging Roma there, as is very often seen in cities from Western Europe. Many are probably gone for good.

Because of gentrification most poor people (most Romas tend to be poor unfortunately) can't afford to live in big cities, thus they live in higher concentration in small towns or rural areas. I don't think the EU Commission had any agenda to over or under-represent the estimates of Romas per EU countries. Me personally, it really bothers me that even if they are the largest EU population without a country, ca. 6 million, they are still mostly second class citizens almost everywhere within the EU, with no real cultural autonomy.

[Ion Basescul]

Because of gentrification most poor people (most Romas tend to be poor unfortunately) can't afford to live in big cities, thus they live in higher concentration in small towns or rural areas. I don't think the EU Commission had any agenda to over or under-represent the estimates of Romas per EU countries. Me personally, it really bothers me that even if they are the largest EU population without a country, ca. 6 million, they are still mostly second class citizens almost everywhere within the EU, with no real cultural autonomy.

I don't believe in agendas too, when most powerful countries in the EU are barely native majorities. But I do believe that Romas from Eastern Europe are more vulnerable to emigration compared to the rest of the population. Thus, I'm of the opinion that the data would be more reliable if it looked at the real place of residence, rather than the place of residence written in the passport/national ID.

[Nausevar]

We're doomed if we don't change course quickly.

[Ogweed]

It should also be mentioned that this does not take emigration into consideration. I have been several times to Bucharest this year, and have travelled every district within the city by metro, tram, bus and foot. If the average is 8% for Romania, then surely that should be comparable for Bucharest, if not more, since it's a capital. But I wouldn't give it even 5%. And I've yet to meet a begging Roma there, as is very often seen in cities from Western Europe. Many are probably gone for good.

I have also noticed the same thing. Bucharest being a "gipsy shithole" is far from the truth. In the metro or in densely populated regions 95%+ are normal Romanians. The only place where I saw tons of gipsies was Calea Victoriei along the expensive shops, pubs and restaurants.

And yes, regarding beggers, it's been years since I saw one, they're all in Sweden and UK now.

Also, don't believe that gippos left for UK or Italy forever, they're just there to make money, they're coming back every year to brag about their cars and houses.