Axios 23andme results

[Axios]

https://i.ibb.co/bm1QD0y/23.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/stRt5Vn/192307094-5713334012040983-5599471741772934002-n.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/54r1HbG/192061765-5713334325374285-7953468848425664376-n.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/vD7mPbQ/nea.jpg

unreliable MyHeritage: https://i.ibb.co/TYfghq1/uyu.jpg

disappointing ftdna: https://i.ibb.co/BfCj3Tg/ftdn3-0.jpg

Apart from my G25 showing i'm northern shifted with weird northern euro % i'm overall happy with 23andme, i expected like 10% european tho. And, where does my mtdna come from?




YDNA: E-M183 as expected, MTDNA; U5B3D unexpected.

Additional info about my mtdna: U5b3d is extremely rare among 23andMe customers.
Today, you share your haplogroup with all the maternal-line descendants of the common ancestor of U5b3d, including other 23andMe customers.
1 in 910,000
23andMe customers share your haplogroup assignment.

[mitalit]

Good results, you should upload the raw data to gedmatch and compare it with the other one you have.

Can you upload the skin, hair and eye color traits?

Paternal haplo
https://i.gyazo.com/413aa621973f8105382ee4b962a75f67.jpg

Maternal haplo
https://i.gyazo.com/c8ffb8c2dd0448a93693b3a5309dd684.jpg

[Axios]

Good results, you should upload the raw data to gedmatch and compare it with the other one you have.

Can you upload the skin, hair and eye color traits?

Paternal haplo
https://i.gyazo.com/413aa621973f8105382ee4b962a75f67.jpg

Maternal haplo
https://i.gyazo.com/c8ffb8c2dd0448a93693b3a5309dd684.jpg


Very accurate as i have very fair skin during winter and even summer because sadly i dont tan, i burn instead. Is my mtdna common? i've never heard of it.

https://i.ibb.co/MCgYw3V/232.jpg

[Tacitus]

Regarding your mtDNA, courtesy of Eupedia:

U5b3: found especially in Sardinia, but also in parts of western, central and southern Europe, in the South Caucasus and Mesopotamia / found in Mesolithic Italy, in Late Neolithic Spain (Megalithic + Bell Beaker), in Bell Beaker Germany, and in MBA Britain
- U5b3d: found in Spain and Iraq / found in Mesolithic Sicily

So it could have come over from southern Europe during the Mesolithic/Neolithic.

[mitalit]

Very accurate as i have very fair skin during winter and even summer because sadly i dont tan, i burn instead. Is my mtdna common? i've never heard of it.

https://i.ibb.co/MCgYw3V/232.jpg
I don't know much about haplorgupos tbh, surely in the forum someone can be of much more help than me.
But it seems that it is more common in Europe.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-U5-map.png
https://i.gyazo.com/ea1ffc733c8e900d39b68832c52c84e7.png

[Kriptc06]

E-M81, nice, the most common in north africa.

[Axios]

E-M81, nice, the most common in north africa.

My mtdna is very weird and rare tho,

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/u5b3_genbank_sequences.htm?fbclid=IwAR1DDMiff_XhrC O2XFV6AiEKL83BJnO1StvYYZyN_wfN9DO_o9nAlNvZoP4

One of the key research papers on U5b3 is by Pala et al., “Mitochondrial haplogroup U5b3: a distant echo of the epipaleolithic in Italy and the legacy of the early Sardinians”, and they conclude that "the most likely homeland for U5b3 was the Italian Peninsula". The current distribution of U5b3 test results could be consistent with an origin in northern Italy or central Europe and a relatively late arrival in Sardinia, perhaps arriving with bronze-age metal workers

U5b3d has only 2 samples, also from the Pala et al. study, with ancestry in southern Spain and Iraq.

[Rædwald]

Nice results

[gixajo]

My mtdna is very weird and rare tho,

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/u5b3_genbank_sequences.htm?fbclid=IwAR1DDMiff_XhrC O2XFV6AiEKL83BJnO1StvYYZyN_wfN9DO_o9nAlNvZoP4

One of the key research papers on U5b3 is by Pala et al., “Mitochondrial haplogroup U5b3: a distant echo of the epipaleolithic in Italy and the legacy of the early Sardinians”, and they conclude that "the most likely homeland for U5b3 was the Italian Peninsula". The current distribution of U5b3 test results could be consistent with an origin in northern Italy or central Europe and a relatively late arrival in Sardinia, perhaps arriving with bronze-age metal workers

U5b3d has only 2 samples, also from the Pala et al. study, with ancestry in southern Spain and Iraq.

Well, even if you like the 23andMe result more, I think the MH and FTDNA results can provide more information than the 23andMe results after the last update.

The latest 23andME update tends to give results that reaffirm us in our modern origins, so to people 100% of "ethnic groups" who are easy to discriminate, we come out 100% (or very close) to that origin.

If you have the option of obtaining results as they were before the last update, you would get more "origins", as they are seen in your MH or FTDNA results.

[Luso]

Very accurate as i have very fair skin during winter and even summer because sadly i dont tan, i burn instead. Is my mtdna common? i've never heard of it.

https://i.ibb.co/MCgYw3V/232.jpg

haha, you beat me:

https://i.imgur.com/d9Dwrul.png

[gixajo]

My mtdna is very weird and rare tho,

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/u5b3_genbank_sequences.htm?fbclid=IwAR1DDMiff_XhrC O2XFV6AiEKL83BJnO1StvYYZyN_wfN9DO_o9nAlNvZoP4

One of the key research papers on U5b3 is by Pala et al., “Mitochondrial haplogroup U5b3: a distant echo of the epipaleolithic in Italy and the legacy of the early Sardinians”, and they conclude that "the most likely homeland for U5b3 was the Italian Peninsula". The current distribution of U5b3 test results could be consistent with an origin in northern Italy or central Europe and a relatively late arrival in Sardinia, perhaps arriving with bronze-age metal workers

U5b3d has only 2 samples, also from the Pala et al. study, with ancestry in southern Spain and Iraq.

Cuando ví que era un thread de tus resultados, me acordé de el escandinavo ese que te salía y pensé en curiosear a ver que te daba sobre eso 23andMe, pero luego pensé en como cambiaron sus resultados tras su última actualización y pensé: "le va a salir cerca del 100% NA", y acerté.:p

[Axios]

Well, even if you like the 23andMe result more, I think the MH and FTDNA results can provide more information than the 23andMe results after the last update.

The latest 23andME update tends to give results that reaffirm us in our modern origins, so to people 100% of "ethnic groups" who are easy to discriminate, we come out 100% (or very close) to that origin.

If you have the option of obtaining results as they were before the last update, you would get more "origins", as they are seen in your MH or FTDNA results.

Pardon me if you misunderstood what i meant, i do not hate having european ancestry, it's just that i heard both ftdna and myheritage are very unreliable. In fact i was really proud of myheritage results when i first saw them, but after years people made me think they are just unreliable and not accurate. I think there was a hack to obtain older 23andme results, maybe you know how to do it.

[Axios]

Cuando ví que era un thread de tus resultados, me acordé de el escandinavo ese que te salía y pensé en curiosear a ver que te daba sobre eso 23andMe, pero luego pensé en como cambiaron sus resultados tras su última actualización y pensé: "le va a salir cerca del 100% NA", y acerté.:p

Yo también estaba seguro que me darían 100%, realmente es una pena porque soy muy curioso y la verdad es que es muy sosa su ultima actualización. Al menos me quedo con el mtdna que me dicen que es muy misterioso y raro :)

[Luso]

haha, you beat me:

https://i.imgur.com/d9Dwrul.png

we also got the same:

https://i.imgur.com/KZWpkxU.png

[Axios]

haha, you beat me:

https://i.imgur.com/d9Dwrul.png

we wuz kangz bro

[Kriptc06]

My mtdna is very weird and rare tho,

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/u5b3_genbank_sequences.htm?fbclid=IwAR1DDMiff_XhrC O2XFV6AiEKL83BJnO1StvYYZyN_wfN9DO_o9nAlNvZoP4

One of the key research papers on U5b3 is by Pala et al., “Mitochondrial haplogroup U5b3: a distant echo of the epipaleolithic in Italy and the legacy of the early Sardinians”, and they conclude that "the most likely homeland for U5b3 was the Italian Peninsula". The current distribution of U5b3 test results could be consistent with an origin in northern Italy or central Europe and a relatively late arrival in Sardinia, perhaps arriving with bronze-age metal workers

U5b3d has only 2 samples, also from the Pala et al. study, with ancestry in southern Spain and Iraq.

look at the branch above it

U5b3
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2694970/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19500771/


U5b3: The subclade likely originates in the Italian peninsula,[42] and is mainly found among the Sardinians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_U_(mtDNA)


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2694970/bin/gr1.jpg

[Axios]

look at the branch above it

U5b3
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2694970/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19500771/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_U_(mtDNA)


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2694970/bin/gr1.jpg

Very interesting indeed, that might explain why im northern shifted in G25 and why MyHeritage shows im 6% italian.

[Leto]

Cool. Your name sounds like whale, haha ;)

Have some couscous! :cool:

[gixajo]

Pardon me if you misunderstood what i meant, i do not hate having european ancestry, it's just that i heard both ftdna and myheritage are very unreliable. In fact i was really proud of myheritage results when i first saw them, but after years people made me think they are just unreliable and not accurate. I think there was a hack to obtain older 23andme results, maybe you know how to do it.

Tranquilo, no interpreté de forma negativa eso que dijiste, tú sueles ser un tío razonable y centrado.

I´ve been tested in the previoud version of 23andMe, and after that my results already obtained were update to the new estimate, but I don´t know how you can get the previous ethnic estimate version , but maybe there is a way to do it.

[Axios]

Cool. Your name sounds like whale, haha ;)

Have some couscous! :cool:

Yeah, its an arab name because just 20 years ago we couldn't use berber names, it was prohibited. Its "Wa'el" in arabic, but because Morocco uses french and all that shit then it got translated to "Ouail"

[Axios]

Cool. Your name sounds like whale, haha ;)

Have some couscous! :cool:

Yeah, its an arab name because just 20 years ago we couldn't use berber names, it was prohibited. Its "Wa'el" in arabic, but because Morocco uses french and all that shit then it got translated to "Ouail"

[Leto]

Yeah, its an arab name because just 20 years ago we couldn't use berber names, it was prohibited. Its "Wa'el" in arabic, but because Morocco uses french and all that shit then it got translated to "Ouail"
Yeah, I'm aware of the language situation. French and other Romance languages don't have the double u letter.

[Kriptc06]

Yeah, I'm aware of the language situation. French and other Romance languages don't have the double u letter.

only in scientific words and foreigner names

Watts, Kilowatts etc

[Kriptc06]

Very interesting indeed, that might explain why im northern shifted in G25 and why MyHeritage shows im 6% italian.

it could explain, yes, maybe it's worth building your genealogy, it can be quite surprising

[Axios]

it could explain, yes, maybe it's worth building your genealogy, it can be quite surprising

I've been told my mtdna could be from a different not found branch of U5 because jameslick says it's an imperfect match. People are really putting me pressure to test Yfull in Facebook :p But it is my most likely mtdna:


Markers found (shown as differences to rCRS):
HVR2: 65D 73G 191D 228A 263G 299I 459D
CR: 1438G 2074I 2156D 2405D 2706G 3197C 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7028T 7471D 8281D 8286D 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C 14482T
HVR1: 16067T
IMPORTANT NOTE: The above marker list is almost certainly incomplete due to limitations of genotyping technology and is not comparable to mtDNA sequencing results. It should not be used with services or tools that expect sequencing results, such as mitosearch.
Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:
1) U5b3d
Defining Markers for haplogroup U5b3d:
HVR2: 73G 150T (228A) 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3197C 4769G 7028T 7226A 7768G 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 13830C 14182C 14766T 15326G
HVR1: 16067T 16192T 16270T 16304C 16311C
Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U5b3d (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 16192T 16270T ⇨ U5 ⇨ 3197C 9477A 13617C ⇨ U5a'b ⇨ 150T 7768G 14182C ⇨ U5b ⇨ (228A) 7226A 16304C ⇨ U5b3 ⇨ 13830C 16067T 16311C ⇨ U5b3d ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T
Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(16): 73G (228A) 263G 1438G 2706G 3197C 7028T 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C 16067T
Extras(16): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T
No-Calls(3): 7226A 13830C 16270T
Untested(9): 150 750 4769 7768 14766 15326 16192 16304 16311
2) U5b3
Defining Markers for haplogroup U5b3:
HVR2: 73G 150T (228A) 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3197C 4769G 7028T 7226A 7768G 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C 14766T 15326G
HVR1: 16192T 16270T 16304C
Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U5b3 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 16192T 16270T ⇨ U5 ⇨ 3197C 9477A 13617C ⇨ U5a'b ⇨ 150T 7768G 14182C ⇨ U5b ⇨ (228A) 7226A 16304C ⇨ U5b3 ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T 16067T
Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(15): 73G (228A) 263G 1438G 2706G 3197C 7028T 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C
Extras(17): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T 16067T
No-Calls(2): 7226A 16270T
Untested(8): 150 750 4769 7768 14766 15326 16192 16304
3) U5b3f
Defining Markers for haplogroup U5b3f:
HVR2: 73G 150T (228A) 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3197C 4769G 7028T 7226A 7768G 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C 14766T 15326G
HVR1: 16129A 16192T 16270T 16304C
Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U5b3f (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 16192T 16270T ⇨ U5 ⇨ 3197C 9477A 13617C ⇨ U5a'b ⇨ 150T 7768G 14182C ⇨ U5b ⇨ (228A) 7226A 16304C ⇨ U5b3 ⇨ 16129A ⇨ U5b3f ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T 16067T
Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(15): 73G (228A) 263G 1438G 2706G 3197C 7028T 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C
Extras(17): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T 16067T
No-Calls(3): 7226A 16129A 16270T
Untested(8): 150 750 4769 7768 14766 15326 16192 16304

[Kriptc06]

I've been told my mtdna could be from a different not found branch of U5 because jameslick says it's an imperfect match. People are really putting me pressure to test Yfull in Facebook :p But it is my most likely mtdna:


Markers found (shown as differences to rCRS):
HVR2: 65D 73G 191D 228A 263G 299I 459D
CR: 1438G 2074I 2156D 2405D 2706G 3197C 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7028T 7471D 8281D 8286D 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C 14482T
HVR1: 16067T
IMPORTANT NOTE: The above marker list is almost certainly incomplete due to limitations of genotyping technology and is not comparable to mtDNA sequencing results. It should not be used with services or tools that expect sequencing results, such as mitosearch.
Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:
1) U5b3d
Defining Markers for haplogroup U5b3d:
HVR2: 73G 150T (228A) 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3197C 4769G 7028T 7226A 7768G 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 13830C 14182C 14766T 15326G
HVR1: 16067T 16192T 16270T 16304C 16311C
Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U5b3d (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 16192T 16270T ⇨ U5 ⇨ 3197C 9477A 13617C ⇨ U5a'b ⇨ 150T 7768G 14182C ⇨ U5b ⇨ (228A) 7226A 16304C ⇨ U5b3 ⇨ 13830C 16067T 16311C ⇨ U5b3d ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T
Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(16): 73G (228A) 263G 1438G 2706G 3197C 7028T 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C 16067T
Extras(16): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T
No-Calls(3): 7226A 13830C 16270T
Untested(9): 150 750 4769 7768 14766 15326 16192 16304 16311
2) U5b3
Defining Markers for haplogroup U5b3:
HVR2: 73G 150T (228A) 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3197C 4769G 7028T 7226A 7768G 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C 14766T 15326G
HVR1: 16192T 16270T 16304C
Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U5b3 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 16192T 16270T ⇨ U5 ⇨ 3197C 9477A 13617C ⇨ U5a'b ⇨ 150T 7768G 14182C ⇨ U5b ⇨ (228A) 7226A 16304C ⇨ U5b3 ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T 16067T
Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(15): 73G (228A) 263G 1438G 2706G 3197C 7028T 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C
Extras(17): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T 16067T
No-Calls(2): 7226A 16270T
Untested(8): 150 750 4769 7768 14766 15326 16192 16304
3) U5b3f
Defining Markers for haplogroup U5b3f:
HVR2: 73G 150T (228A) 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3197C 4769G 7028T 7226A 7768G 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C 14766T 15326G
HVR1: 16129A 16192T 16270T 16304C
Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup U5b3f (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 11467G 12308G 12372A ⇨ U ⇨ 16192T 16270T ⇨ U5 ⇨ 3197C 9477A 13617C ⇨ U5a'b ⇨ 150T 7768G 14182C ⇨ U5b ⇨ (228A) 7226A 16304C ⇨ U5b3 ⇨ 16129A ⇨ U5b3f ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T 16067T
Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(15): 73G (228A) 263G 1438G 2706G 3197C 7028T 8860G 9477A 11467G 11719A 12308G 12372A 13617C 14182C
Extras(17): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3212T 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 14482T 16067T
No-Calls(3): 7226A 16129A 16270T
Untested(8): 150 750 4769 7768 14766 15326 16192 16304

I agree with them, if you can explore that option of course. The imperfect match is because 23andme didn't test those locus, a full test would be the best option and very enlightening

[Leto]

Have you tried comparing yourself to the members of TA?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?346141-K13-modeling-with-TA-members-Vol-2
Believe it or not but I tried to add all North Africans I'd managed to find.

[Leto]

And I actually find those "unreliable" and "disappointing" results more interesting



MyHeritage
66.6% North African
20.5% Iberian
6.3% Italian
5.5% Ashkenazi Jewish
1.1% Nigerian

FTDNA
68% Maghreb & Egypt
25% Iberian Peninsula
4% Italian Peninsula
<3% Sephardic Jewish

A lot of proto-Hispanic :cool:

Before the Sand Negroes took over the ME & NA it was gloriously Greco-Roman.

[Axios]

Edit

[Axios]

Have you tried comparing yourself to the members of TA?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?346141-K13-modeling-with-TA-members-Vol-2
Believe it or not but I tried to add all North Africans I'd managed to find.I agree ftdna and myheritage show more interesting results, and no, i did not try to compare myself, i will once i get home.

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[Tutankhamun]

Yeah, its an arab name because just 20 years ago we couldn't use berber names, it was prohibited. Its "Wa'el" in arabic, but because Morocco uses french and all that shit then it got translated to "Ouail"

Why?

And great results.

[gixajo]

I agree with them, if you can explore that option of course. The imperfect match is because 23andme didn't test those locus, a full test would be the best option and very enlightening

Did you try the Jameslick predictor (https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/) for mtdna?

[Axios]

Why?

And great results.We were opressed back then by arabization. They still treat us like shit today, a riffian man got killed some years ago for no reason by arab-moroccan police officers that are brought there in purpose to treat us bad. They even rape women. Thats the level of corruption Morocco has.

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[Leto]

We were opressed back then by arabization. They still treat us like shit today, a riffian man got killed some years ago for no reason by arab-moroccan police officers that are brought there in purpose to treat us bad. They even rape women. Thats the level of corruption Morocco has.

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But actual Arab blood is negligible in Morocco, isn't it? It's kinda far away from the Arabian peninsula.

[jfgh676]

23andme more suitable for NAs than myheritage or ftdna?

Btw nice results,wonder if i could score 100% NA too

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Is u5 very distant from u6?

[Luso]

Very cool results bro. Proof that some 100% North Africans can be lighter than southern european

[Axios]

Is u5 very distant from u6?

No clue, only 2 samples of my mtdna are registered

[Axios]

But actual Arab blood is negligible in Morocco, isn't it? It's kinda far away from the Arabian peninsula.

J is not that uncommon. Police officers here are often arabized moroccans from the south. They dont look different than a yemenite.

[Axios]

23andme more suitable for NAs than myheritage or ftdna?

Btw nice results,wonder if i could score 100% NA too

Honestly i dont know which company has more north african samples. I think ftdna is overall better for north africans.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

No clue, only 2 samples of my mtdna are registered

Because U has been in NA for a while.


“Additionally, haplogroup U5 is found in small frequencies and at much lower diversity in the Near East and parts of northern Africa (areas with sizable U6 concentrations), suggesting back-migration of people from Europe toward the south.[3”


U6 is thought to have entered North Africa from the Near East around 30,000 years ago. It has been found among Iberomaurusian specimens dating from the Epipaleolithic at the Taforalt prehistoric site.[55] In spite of the highest diversity of Iberian U6, Maca-Meyer argues for a Near East origin of this clade based on the highest diversity of subclade U6a in that region,[53] where it would have arrived from West Asia, with the Iberian incidence primarily representing migration from the Maghreb and not persistence of a European root population.[why?]

According to Hernández et al. 2015 "the estimated entrance of the North African U6 lineages into Iberia at 10 ky correlates well with other L African clades, indicating that U6 and some L lineages moved together from Africa to Iberia in the Early Holocene."

[Dirdepo]

Damn, I got less neanderthal than this dude

[happycow]

Nice. :cool:

[Sora]

Nice results! :cool:

Have you tried Gedmatch? It gives the results by dividing into components with geographical names and those components tell you if you are average of your ethnicity.

I especially recommend you Dodecad k12b calculator, at least it has "Northwest_African" component

[Sora]

Double post

[Kriptc06]

Did you try the Jameslick predictor (https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/) for mtdna?

me? yes I did, I have full mtdna sequence and my mtdna is in Yfull.

OP did as well, it came as an incomplete match because it's lacking some mutation that were likely not tested my 23andme.

[Adamm]

You're most likely E-M183 > E-Z5009

Looks like most North Africans score 100% these days with 23andMe.

[Axios]

Have you tried comparing yourself to the members of TA?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?346141-K13-modeling-with-TA-members-Vol-2
Believe it or not but I tried to add all North Africans I'd managed to find.

Hi again, i've seen i'm in that database but i have no clue how to use that k13 calculator.

[Leto]

Hi again, i've seen i'm in that database but i have no clue how to use that k13 calculator.
Go to Vahaduo K13, delete the SOURCE values, paste all those members except for yourself and then paste your values in TARGET.

[Axios]

Nice results! :cool:

Have you tried Gedmatch? It gives the results by dividing into components with geographical names and those components tell you if you are average of your ethnicity.

I especially recommend you Dodecad k12b calculator, at least it has "Northwest_African" component

Population
Gedrosia 2.36 Pct
Siberian 0.84 Pct
Northwest_African 30.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 23.7 Pct
North_European 6.13 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 7 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.33 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan 4.26 Pct

[Sora]

Population
Gedrosia 2.36 Pct
Siberian 0.84 Pct
Northwest_African 30.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 23.7 Pct
North_European 6.13 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 7 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.33 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.33 Pct
Sub_Saharan 4.26 Pct


Typical Maghrebi result, slightly more European & less SSA components. Though it's normal due to you are Riffian(and also for all Northern Moroccans)

[Axios]

Go to Vahaduo K13, delete the SOURCE values, paste all those members except for yourself and then paste your values in TARGET.

is there a way to delete all the spaces in the k13 document? as i dont know much about vadahuo and im doing it manually

[Axios]

nevermind i was doing it wrong

[Axios]

You're most likely E-M183 > E-Z5009

Looks like most North Africans score 100% these days with 23andMe.

Yes, the last update gets the average NA 98-100%.

Uploading 23 raw to morley: E1b1b1b1a2~2
E-V168 (E-V221)

[Alenka]

Congrats on your results.
Your mtDNA seems very European.

[Axios]

Congrats on your results.
Your mt-DNA seems very European.

Yeah its a rare mtdna originated in the Italian peninsula they say. Only 2 samples are available and there is not much info about it.