East vs. West

[d3cimat3d]

Why is it that Western Europeans show hostility towards eastern Europe, but eastern Europeans usually show respect and admiration for western Europe? I noticed that lots of western Europeans think of east Europeans as sort of low quality and 2nd class Europeans, which is funny because I wouldn't want to be western European - I do find western Europe to be cozy compard to eastern Europe, but west Europe's history and culture is extremely boring to me.

Is it more of just a rivalry between the Slavic vs. Germanic speakers or is it something more? And don't act like this tension between east & west doesn't exist because it does, in the form of mail-order bride, gypsy & vodka jokes coming mainly from western Europeans.

[Mordid]

Why they hate each other? That's simple. Because of east-Communist, more totalitarian, west-Capitalist, more democratic and well structured.
Nowadays the difference is mostly in price and in the local language. Most of Eastern Europe has Slavic languages, but not all of it. Eastern Europe used to be Communist, and sometimes you still see it in the way people in the shops and restaurants behave, like they do not need to be friendly, as you have nowhere else to go. There are still a lot of old fashioned hotels, where comfort was not the most important, but it is changing fast, although in different speads in different countries....:shrug: Western Europe is more expensive, multicultural, more service orientated and hospitality has changed slowly over the years most hotels are up to standards. (Often more than the budget traveler likes, as almost all places also charge for having the facilities.):rain:

Typical Eastern face:
http://67.227.131.98/files/active/0/200809_Mabelbefore.jpg

Typical Western face:
http://celebrityblackberrysightings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/gerard-pique-17.jpg

[Wulfhere]

Why is it that Western Europeans show hostility towards eastern Europe, but eastern Europeans usually show respect and admiration for western Europe? I noticed that lots of western Europeans think of east Europeans as sort of low quality and 2nd class Europeans, which is funny because I wouldn't want to be western European - I do find western Europe to be cozy compard to eastern Europe, but west Europe's history and culture is extremely boring to me.

Is it more of just a rivalry between the Slavic vs. Germanic speakers or is it something more? And don't act like this tension between east & west doesn't exist because it does, in the form of mail-order bride, gypsy & vodka jokes coming mainly from western Europeans.

It's a good job you don't want to be Western European, but unfortunately millions and millions of your fellow Easterners do, and come here, driving down wages and expecting us to give them free healthcare and welfare benefits. That's why we don't like them.

[Mordid]

It's a good job you don't want to be Western European, but unfortunately millions and millions of your fellow Easterners do, and come here, driving down wages and expecting us to give them free healthcare and welfare benefits. That's why we don't like them.
At least, it wasn't us who started the London riot. :icon_yawn::laugh:

[Wulfhere]

At least, it wasn't us who started the London riot. :icon_yawn::laugh:

True, but that's hardly the point.

[Mordid]

True, but that's hardly the point.

I WANT THOSE FUCKING POLACK OUT OF UK!!! :mad:


What do you think of this Polish chick?
http://cdn2.asteroid.pl/c10/a.fotka.pl/064/816/64816989_500_s.jpg

[Humanophage]

It is reasonable to perceive poorer nations with higher crime rates with greater negativity. Czechs, for instance, are mostly admired (see e.g. this (http://www.economist.com/node/16003661)). When Eastern Europeans show comparable merit, they will not be treated as lower class Europeans.


It's a good job you don't want to be Western European, but unfortunately millions and millions of your fellow Easterners do, and come here, driving down wages and expecting us to give them free healthcare and welfare benefits.
I don't think EU immigrants are very interested in free healthcare and welfare. They tend to leave the UK once done with the money. Unlike third worlders.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/UKBalance.jpg

[Tabiti]

Always connected the East with spirituality, even after the damages communism has done here. So, I'm proud being Eastern with all the negatives and positives, despite all the stereotypes. There will always be "fight" between the two Europes, however I suggest my Western European fellows never to forget from where actually the Civilization before Rome comes. And, yes, we have plenty of jokes and stereotypes agains you as well;)
And if there wasn't Eastern Europe, you Westerners would never know what cheap alcohol, prostitutes and unpunished crime is. Something many of your citizens seem to search here, the same as Easterners wanting your money and work, isn't? So, you see both flocks have their own black sheep. Both equally black if you ask me.

[Mordid]

It is reasonable to perceive poorer nations with higher crime rates with greater negativity. Czechs, for instance, are mostly admired (see e.g. this (http://www.economist.com/node/16003661)). When Eastern Europeans show comparable merit, they will not be treated as lower class Europeans.


I don't think EU immigrants are very interested in free healthcare and welfare. They tend to leave the UK once done with the money. Unlike third worlders.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/UKBalance.jpg

Is that guy Polack?

[Leliana]

Why is it that Western Europeans show hostility towards eastern Europe, but eastern Europeans usually show respect and admiration for western Europe?
But many Eastern Europeans don't speak well or nice of my country. :( And some of the unpleasant immigrants have their roots in the eastern parts of the continent. What amazes me is that Russians, Hungarians or Ukrainians like Germans and aren't much of a problem when being here, but that Poles or Czechs are full of mistrust.

My attitude is easy to understand. If you like and respect my country, I like you and respect your country. But if you don't like my country or misbehave while being here, I don't like you and hope you get lost. :)

[Mordid]

But many Eastern Europeans don't speak well or nice of my country. :( And some of the unpleasant immigrants have their roots in the eastern parts of the continent. What amazes me is that Russians, Hungarians or Ukrainians like Germans and aren't much of a problem when being here, but that Poles or Czechs are full of mistrust.

My attitude is easy to understand. If you like and respect my country, I like you and respect your country. But if you don't like my country or misbehave while being here, I don't like you and hope you get lost. :)

Well, I have nothing against your country at all, but what I dont like them about their bullshit toward us Poles, especially Skadi and Thiazforum.

[hajduk]

but that Poles or Czechs are full of mistrust.
Chezhs are causing problems in Germany?
I always thought on them as honorary germans or something..

[morski]

Chezhs are causing problems in Germany?
I always thought on them as honorary germans or something..

Me too:D I thought every Czech speaks fluent german and all. Besides- Václav Klaus, Jan Koller- wtf:)
Ah, and the oldest German university was in Prague, Karls-Universität zu Prag, no?

[Hess]

But many Eastern Europeans don't speak well or nice of my country. :( And some of the unpleasant immigrants have their roots in the eastern parts of the continent. What amazes me is that Russians, Hungarians or Ukrainians like Germans and aren't much of a problem when being here, but that Poles or Czechs are full of mistrust.


Really? In my experience, many Russians still have strong anti-German sentiments because of WWII.

[Unurautare]

Why is it that Western Europeans show hostility towards eastern Europe, but eastern Europeans usually show respect and admiration for western Europe?

I never heard of any of that,as a standard thing, except in the MASS MEDIA. :rolleyes: Also,if anything, Westerners are more respectful towards other people.
For example Italians that visit my city and surrounding villages like it very much and are very excited about it,the only problem here would be the low wages compared to the West.

[Albion]

Why is it that Western Europeans show hostility towards eastern Europe, but eastern Europeans usually show respect and admiration for western Europe?

We don't, it's just Central Europeans such as Estonians who like to think they're Western who throw around the insults.

[Mordid]

We don't, it's just Central Europeans such as Estonians who like to think they're Western who throw around the insults.

A certain person's gonna be angry. ;)

[Albion]

A certain person's gonna be angry. ;)

I know, Karl is one of the main culprits though and I don't mind saying so.

[Stars Down To Earth]

We don't, it's just Central Europeans such as Estonians who like to think they're Western who throw around the insults.
Since when is fucking Estonia located in Central Europe?

[W. R.]

What amazes me is that Russians, Hungarians or Ukrainians like Germans and aren't much of a problem when being here, but that Poles or Czechs are full of mistrust.It's because Czechs and Poles... are more experienced with Germans. :taped-shut:

[Joe McCarthy]

I think many Western Europeans are having a mid-life crisis.

[Albion]

Since when is fucking Estonia located in Central Europe?

Since when did Central Europe have a standard definition?

[Albion]

I think many Western Europeans are having a mid-life crisis.

Why? A lot of posters on here come across as being in their 20s or 30s if you ask me.

[Joe McCarthy]

Why? A lot of posters on here come across as being in their 20s or 30s if you ask me.

I'm not even really speaking to this forum, or even actual age. It's a state of mind. Eastern Europeans, having emerged from communist tyranny, seem to have more positive attitudes. Western Europeans (I'm not speaking of all of them, of course) seem to be unsure of their place in the world. I think it's because they've been used to ruling it, and no longer do.

[Albion]

I'm not even really speaking to this forum, or even actual age. It's a state of mind. Eastern Europeans, having emerged from communist tyranny, seem to have more positive attitudes. Western Europeans (I'm not speaking of all of them, of course) seem to be unsure of their place in the world. I think it's because they've been used to ruling it, and no longer do.

No they don't. It's been over 50 years now, you can't attribute everything to the Europe's fall from grace.

Europe is just having to deal with all the economic and immigration and societal issues at the moment. America is hardly in fine shape itself.
I don't think there's a "mid-life crisis", more an uncertainty as to how we should handle things.

[Damião de Góis]

west Europe's history and culture is extremely boring to me.


You must have a strange definition of boring ;)

[d3cimat3d]

You must have a strange definition of boring ;)

My definition of boring = the renaissance , which was mostly a western European thing.

http://i56.tinypic.com/27ynwqa.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/midxja.jpg

:yawn:

[AussieScott]

I'm not even really speaking to this forum, or even actual age. It's a state of mind. Eastern Europeans, having emerged from communist tyranny, seem to have more positive attitudes. Western Europeans (I'm not speaking of all of them, of course) seem to be unsure of their place in the world. I think it's because they've been used to ruling it, and no longer do.

They certainly do, the Eastern Europeans know the danger of the insidious growing socialism/communism in the west. In fact some of those who screamed the first warnings of this situation were Russian and Eastern European refugees who are now academics in Australia.

[d3cimat3d]

I never heard of any of that,as a standard thing

Maybe if you only left your Carpathian village and traveled a bit, Unurautareşcu. There was even a person on this forum named karl der grobe who would say all Romanians are Gypsies, even the ones who called themselves "Transylvanian Saxons". IRL of course no one will say this to your face, but I gaurentee lots of westerners have this mindset that eastern Europeans are 2nd class citizens, dirty Slavs, Balkan filth, etc. I've heard it all..

[mymy]

Me too:D I thought every Czech speaks fluent german and all. Besides- Václav Klaus, Jan Koller- wtf:)
Ah, and the oldest German university was in Prague, Karls-Universität zu Prag, no?

From my observations, they are influenced by German culture, many of them have German surnames for example and they are the most Western from all Slavs, but there are people there who don't like Germans, and none of those who i personally know speaks German. They also don't like Russians. They are my favorite European nation-perfect blend of Slavic spirit and Germanic influenced culture, peaceful mentality... :thumb001:

[morski]

Maybe if you only left your Carpathian village and traveled a bit, Unurautareşcu. There was even a person on this forum named karl der grobe who would say all Romanians are Gypsies, even the ones who called themselves "Transylvanian Saxons". IRL of course no one will say this to your face, but I gaurentee lots of westerners have this mindset that eastern Europeans are 2nd class citizens, dirty Slavs, Balkan filth, etc. I've heard it all..

I believe those to be just a marginal minority.

[Aces High]

Why is it that Western Europeans show hostility towards eastern Europe,

Because the ones that turn up first are either on the run,criminals and have nothing to lose and dabble in criminal activity looking on their hosts as nothing more than a lion looks on a gazelle..............in short prey.
Their are exceptions to the rule of course.

[Unurautare]

Maybe if you only left your Carpathian village and traveled a bit, Unurautareşcu. There was even a person on this forum named karl der grobe who would say all Romanians are Gypsies, even the ones who called themselves "Transylvanian Saxons". IRL of course no one will say this to your face, but I gaurentee lots of westerners have this mindset that eastern Europeans are 2nd class citizens, dirty Slavs, Balkan filth, etc. I've heard it all..

My "village" is Subcarpathian if you want to go into details. If Karl said it,I think I remember him as being a Germanic supremacist(he even considers catholic Germans to be less German and more "infected by Romans"), then it's clear that all Westerners think so,well that and the fact that we're also soulless vampires. I guess I'll have to ask him,if that's the case,then why Romanians were the only ones to be given command of German troops during World War 2. It's also the case with Americans(the Brits were the only others that commanded American troops in American military history).
So besides Karl is there anybody I,Unurautareşcu(btw great nick,I think I'll use it the 1st chance I get :D), should be worried that I'm looked at as a gypsy?*cries*

[beaver]

Russians were devoted fans of the Westerners/Europe/America (and people from there) up to the beginning of nineties (the Beatles won the Cold War). Not now in any case and they'll not be back tomorrow, I think.

[The Lawspeaker]

I WANT THOSE FUCKING POLACK OUT OF UK!!! :mad:


What do you think of this Polish chick?
http://cdn2.asteroid.pl/c10/a.fotka.pl/064/816/64816989_500_s.jpg
"Can have my babies !"

I think that the hostility between East and West is somewhat ludicrous and it dates back to the Cold War. We've got to move on but it seems like 60 year old habits die hard.

[d3cimat3d]

then why Romanians were the only ones to be given command of German troops during World War 2.

lol, Germans only used Romanians as cannon fodder, meat shields, low quality disposable infantry, etc. Romanians had to fake that they were descendants of Gepids, when Romanians are actually more similar to Slavs than Germans. :coffee: Antonescu was a traitor, I'm sure if Romanians sided with the USSR they would of actually been rewarded Moldova and got to hold on to it rather than only keep it for a few seconds.



I think that the hostility between East and West is somewhat ludicrous and it dates back to the Cold War. We've got to move on but it seems like 60 year old habits die hard.


I guess this must be it.

[Absinthe]

Why is it that Western Europeans show hostility towards eastern Europe, but eastern Europeans usually show respect and admiration for western Europe? I noticed that lots of western Europeans think of east Europeans as sort of low quality and 2nd class Europeans, which is funny because I wouldn't want to be western European - I do find western Europe to be cozy compard to eastern Europe, but west Europe's history and culture is extremely boring to me.

Is it more of just a rivalry between the Slavic vs. Germanic speakers or is it something more? And don't act like this tension between east & west doesn't exist because it does, in the form of mail-order bride, gypsy & vodka jokes coming mainly from western Europeans.
Cultural remnants of the Cold War.

[Boudica]

Eh, wtfs this? It says East vs. West.. Both of you are East, lol. You are both destroying any argument that any Western European may have by acting the way you are. Haven't you noticed? There is no East Vs West debate going on.. Bastarnae, you have said that you are 50% Moldovan before.. Most of Moldova was part of Romania as recently as the early 90's when it gained independence.. How about you two stop attacking each other, when truth be told you two are both probably VERY similar genetically....

[morski]

Eh, wtfs this? It says East vs. West.. Both of you are East, lol. You are both destroying any argument that any Western European may have by acting the way you are. Haven't you noticed? There is no East Vs West debate going on.. Bastarnae, you have said that you are 50% Moldovan before.. Most of Moldova was part of Romania as recently as the early 90's when it gained independence.. How about you two stop attacking each other, when truth be told you two are both probably VERY similar genetically....

:crazy: embarrassing

[d3cimat3d]

Eh, wtfs this? It says East vs. West.. Both of you are East, lol. You are both destroying any argument that any Western European may have by acting the way you are. Haven't you noticed? There is no East Vs West debate going on.. Bastarnae, you have said that you are 50% Moldovan before.. Most of Moldova was part of Romania as recently as the early 90's when it gained independence.. How about you two stop attacking each other, when truth be told you two are both probably VERY similar genetically....

I'm not 1% Moldovan. :coffee:

[Nurzat]

since bastarnae and unurautare are fighting with pics i will ask if i look more western or more eastern. i imagine squared faces like mine more western as for the east i image rather rounder faces but you come from a lot of different countries so i would be curious to know what you think

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2726/mefrontpic.jpg

[Boudica]

Boudica,"Rep.Moldova" was part of the Soviet Union until it collapsed. To make it short: Medieval Romanian states Moldova+Wallachia formed modern Romania but Russia took half of Moldavia in the 19th century,Romania got that part back after World War 1,USSR took it again after World War 2,USSR dissolved-> that part formed "Rep.Moldova".

Fair enough, I was obviously mistaken, I have never studies this, because it is irrelevant to me.

[Eldritch]

Right, thread cleaned up. This topic is actually interesting, so let's not mess it up a second time, folks.

[Boudica]

but west Europe's history and culture is extremely boring to me.



What is your definition of "boring"? Also, I am curious to know what historical happenings have occurred in Eastern Europe to make it less "boring" than the historical happenings of Western Europe? Also, please describe to me how the Renaissance Period was "boring" (something you wrote in another post in the thread)? What was "boring" about it?

[morski]

Europe is like

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Janus-Vatican.JPG

Rome vs Constantinople
Latin vs Greek
Catholicism vs Orthodoxy
Capitalism vs Communism

at the end of the day we're like the two sides of a coin, though, one without the other isn't complete.

[Hevneren]

There's some hostility towards Eastern Europe in Norway, but this is due to two main reasons. One is the constant threats and hostility by Soviet Russia against us, including repeated threats of nuclear obliteration (the last time was in 1995). The other reason is the flow of criminals and prostitutes from Eastern Europe after the collapse of the USSR and the establishment of the Schengen agreement.

We get organised crime from the Baltics, the Balkans, Poland and Russia, and we get a Gypsy infestation from Romania, and when Norwegians hear on the news about crime being committed and the perpetrators are described as "Latvian citizen" or "Romanian citizen" over and over again, it creates hostility.

[beaver]

Why is it that Western Europeans show hostility towards eastern Europe, but eastern Europeans usually show respect and admiration for western Europe? I noticed that lots of western Europeans think of east Europeans as sort of low quality and 2nd class Europeans, which is funny because I wouldn't want to be western European - I do find western Europe to be cozy compard to eastern Europe, but west Europe's history and culture is extremely boring to me.

Is it more of just a rivalry between the Slavic vs. Germanic speakers or is it something more? And don't act like this tension between east & west doesn't exist because it does, in the form of mail-order bride, gypsy & vodka jokes coming mainly from western Europeans.

Maybe not great education of some Westerners? Its very funny to observe a Westerner: consisting of elements of Mendeleev table; wathing TV in the version fully developed and patented (in the USPTO) by Zvorykin (up to the terms "iconoscope" (in the camera) and "kinescope" (in the TV-receiver));viewning from the morning to the night various Hollywood shit that is based on the method of Stanislavsky (Alekseev in reality, from the merchant family - "muzhyk" :) ) and flying sometimes on helicopters by Sikorski (an engineer of Russian school having Polish roots) :D and saying: Easterners are bullshit! There are were neither Hitler nor modern America, nor modern Europe without Russian revolution. And please try to tell some guy on the Russian street: You are not Russian, you are European :D He would have been pleased in the late SU for sure (everyone loved Westerners then) but now... You will be charged with bombing Serbia in the best case :D

[beaver]

The other reason is the flow of criminals and prostitutes from Eastern Europe after the collapse of the USSR and the establishment of the Schengen agreement.
this is a real thing (I fully understand you here), I'm more obsessed with the best Eastern brains leaking to US though. We are loosing our future day by day.

[Eldritch]

There's some hostility towards Eastern Europe in Norway, but this is due to two main reasons. One is the constant threats and hostility by Soviet Russia against us, including repeated threats of nuclear obliteration (the last time was in 1995). The other reason is the flow of criminals and prostitutes from Eastern Europe after the collapse of the USSR and the establishment of the Schengen agreement.

We get organised crime from the Baltics, the Balkans, Poland and Russia, and we get a Gypsy infestation from Romania, and when Norwegians hear on the news about crime being committed and the perpetrators are described as "Latvian citizen" or "Romanian citizen" over and over again, it creates hostility.

How much of that hostility is caused by the fact that some other types of immigrants might be more worthy targets for it, but for ... certain reasons they cannot be even legitimately criticised?

I see this phenomenon here in Finland to some extent.

[oyster]

How much of that hostility is caused by the fact that some other types of immigrants might be more worthy targets for it, but for ... certain reasons they cannot be even legitimately criticised?

I see this phenomenon here in Finland to some extent.

I could bet that something like 90% of all problems are not made by Eastern Europeans, but by Muslim Immigrants from both Europe (Albania, Bosnia) and North Africa/Near East/Middle East. And anyway, if these Northern countries do need immigrants and labour force, any Eastern European wave would be much much much more closer genetically, culturally, much easier to integrate, than any non European wave. Also, if they don't need immigrants, why are the Northerners letting them to settle down??

[Hevneren]

How much of that hostility is caused by the fact that some other types of immigrants might be more worthy targets for it, but for ... certain reasons they cannot be even legitimately criticised?

I see this phenomenon here in Finland to some extent.

I think there's more hostility towards certain Islamic and African nationalities than Eastern Europeans in general, and Gypsies (who aren't even European genetically) are among the most disliked coming from Eastern Europe.

I don't think Norwegians dislike Slavs in general or Eastern European nations in general, but when we get a lot of criminals from Eastern Europe (organised crime and theft is more of an Eastern European phenomenon, not Middle Eastern or African), it causes more hostility towards immigration, the EU and the Schengen agreement.

[oyster]

since bastarnae and unurautare are fighting with pics i will ask if i look more western or more eastern. i imagine squared faces like mine more western as for the east i image rather rounder faces but you come from a lot of different countries so i would be curious to know what you think

Why do you struggle so much to differentiate yourself from your Balkanic and Eastern brothers? :D Even if, say, you wouldn't look like one of us, you actually are one of us. Bucovina is not Austria anymore, bro.

[Hess]

I was just wondering, where do Finns stand in this system? are they "Easterners" or "Westerners"?

[Unurautare]

I was just wondering, where do Finns stand in this system? are they "Easterners" or "Westerners"?

Westerners for sure. I mean religion is Western and they didn't have communism + they've been part of Sweden for hundreds of years.

[Hess]

Westerners for sure.

even Karelians?

[hajduk]

since bastarnae and unurautare are fighting with pics i will ask if i look more western or more eastern. i imagine squared faces like mine more western as for the east i image rather rounder faces but you come from a lot of different countries so i would be curious to know what you think

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2726/mefrontpic.jpg

Stereotypical German. Now serious dude, the most western you can pass is Ukrainian.
You look eastern

[Unurautare]

even Karelians?

Depends where but those go under Russian/Eastern dominance imo. :P

[beaver]

I don't think Norwegians dislike Slavs in general or Eastern European nations in general, but when we get a lot of criminals from Eastern Europe (organised crime and theft is more of an Eastern European phenomenon, not Middle Eastern or African), it causes more hostility towards immigration, the EU and the Schengen agreement.
I wonder, how many Slavs are sitting on Norwegian dotations right now? If many - we are really untermenchens.

[oyster]

Stereotypical German. Now serious dude, the most western you can pass is Ukrainian.
You look eastern

Poor guy will be sooo sad :D Imo he doesn't even look Slavic (lacks East Nordid or East Baltid which are mandatory in true Slavs).

[Unurautare]

Poor guy will be sooo sad :D Imo he doesn't even look Slavic (lacks East Nordid or East Baltid which are mandatory in true Slavs).

He looks Ukrainian,I've said it so many times I'm bored already.

[beaver]

I wonder, how many Slavs are sitting on Norwegian dotations right now? If many - we are really untermenchens.
Once more, if many - we are bastards. Working (really I mean) people are not counted.

[oyster]

In my opinion, the inner conflicts of Europe (regions of a country against other regions, neighbour countries one against the other etc) are much better represented than an overall West vs East thing. The conflicts I see are more, say, South and Southwest vs Balkans (Iberia, Italia, Greece vs Balkans) or West and Northwest vs Muslims (Germanic world vs Turks etc).

[hajduk]

Southwest/balkan conflicts? :o

[Unurautare]

Southwest/balkan conflicts? :o

I think he opened up a Western stereotype book or something... Next about the English+Dutch vs Romanian conflicts from the Dracula book? xP

[beaver]

Please show statistics on Eastern Slavs taking welfare from the Norwegian government or shut up!

[hajduk]

I don't think there are any stats on that

[Eroica]

Here in Britain I hear more hatred directed at the Poles than the criminal black Africans who are invading the nation. It's really weird...

[beaver]

I don't think there are any stats on that
Why? Westerners love such things. Stupid Russian immigrants taking money from good Norwegian taxpayers - best headline.

[Unurautare]

Here in Britain I hear more hatred directed at the Poles than the criminal black Africans who are invading the nation. It's really weird...

My fancy theory: They will become your overlords over time,blacks won't.

*just a joke,so don't kill me(lol)
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/2/22/Polandballthief.png

[W. R.]

organised crime and theft is more of an Eastern European phenomenonIs it still true? Certainly the organized crime was on the rise after the fall of communism, but the former happened decades ago.

[Hevneren]

I could bet that something like 90% of all problems are not made by Eastern Europeans, but by Muslim Immigrants from both Europe (Albania, Bosnia) and North Africa/Near East/Middle East. And anyway, if these Northern countries do need immigrants and labour force, any Eastern European wave would be much much much more closer genetically, culturally, much easier to integrate, than any non European wave. Also, if they don't need immigrants, why are the Northerners letting them to settle down??

We are supposed to accept and welcome Eastern European criminals because they are white? :mad:

[Hevneren]

I wonder, how many Slavs are sitting on Norwegian dotations right now? If many - we are really untermenchens.

I don't think a lot of Slavs get "donations" from us, and certainly not many Russians. However, it's common for Norwegians to send things (clothing, food) and money to countries like Moldova, the Ukraine and Romania. My grandmother alone has probably helped hundreds of Moldovans by knitting socks for them and sending them clothes. :)

[Hevneren]

Please show statistics on Eastern Slavs taking welfare from the Norwegian government or shut up!

Calm down, Ivan. Are you mad because I spoke the truth about Russian organised crime and prostitution? I'm only stating a fact here, and it's undisputable. Anyway, there aren't as many Russian prostitutes here as there was in the 1990's, because the Nigerian prostitutes have taken over.

[Hevneren]

Why? Westerners love such things. Stupid Russian immigrants taking money from good Norwegian taxpayers - best headline.

We don't need such headlines. Russia does enough against us to antagonise us without such crimes too. ;)

[Hevneren]

Is it still true? Certainly the organized crime was on the rise after the fall of communism, but the former happened decades ago.

Yes it is. Every year we have a series of robberies of various stores (goldsmiths, clothing stores, even opticians), car thefts, ATM thefts etc. Police claim organised crime has been on the rise in Norway in the past few years. I think Schengen might be part of the reason why.

Organised Eastern European crime is a big problem for us right now. We also see corganised crime coming from the Balkans, with ex-military people who fought in the Balkan war taking part in bank robberies in Scandinavia.

[beaver]

Calm down, Ivan. Are you mad because I spoke the truth about Russian organised crime and prostitution? I'm only stating a fact here, and it's undisputable. Anyway, there aren't as many Russian prostitutes here as there was in the 1990's, because the Nigerian prostitutes have taken over
Did you really read my posts at all?


Calm down, Ivan.
Norwegian poster, I'm always at your service. At any moment. Go.

[Hevneren]

Did you really read my posts at all?

I read where you got mad and ordered me to shut up, Ivan. Do you remember your own posts?

[Nurzat]

Why do you struggle so much to differentiate yourself from your Balkanic and Eastern brothers? :D Even if, say, you wouldn't look like one of us, you actually are one of us. Bucovina is not Austria anymore, bro.


Stereotypical German. Now serious dude, the most western you can pass is Ukrainian.
You look eastern


He looks Ukrainian,I've said it so many times I'm bored already.

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs47/f/2009/204/8/a/Russian_Orly_the_NO_WAI_by_YourNeighbour.png

[beaver]

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Originally Posted by beaver View Post
Did you really read my posts at all?
I read where you got mad and ordered me to shut up, Ivan. Do you remember your own posts?


The post above:


Quote:

You:


The other reason is the flow of criminals and prostitutes from Eastern Europe after the collapse of the USSR and the establishment of the Schengen agreement.

My post instantly:


this is a real thing (I fully understand you here[/B]), I'm more obsessed with the best Eastern brains leaking to US though. We are loosing our future day by day.


As to calling me "Ivan", I dont call you "Hans". If you insist in such boorishness, please be consistent - I'm at your service always.

[Hevneren]

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaver View Post
Did you really read my posts at all?
I read where you got mad and ordered me to shut up, Ivan. Do you remember your own posts?


The post above:


Quote:

You:



My post instantly:



As to calling me "Ivan", I dont call you "Hans". If you insist in such boorishness, please be consistent - I'm at your service always.

I wasn't aware I was forced to respond to all of your posts. By the way, you were the one who got upset and told me to shut up when I mentioned Russian prostitutes. It's simply a fact.

[beaver]

So, I remember and can quote my posts, what about you now?

[beaver]

By the way, you were the one who got upset and told me to shut up when I mentioned Russian prostitutes.
Fuck!!! I fully agreed with you in this point! And about bandits. Do we speak different versions of English?

[beaver]

The other reason is the flow of criminals and prostitutes from Eastern Europe after the collapse of the USSR and the establishment of the Schengen agreement.



this is a real thing (I fully understand you here), I'm more obsessed with the best Eastern brains leaking to US though. We are loosing our future day by day.

this was my point.

[Hess]

The other reason is the flow of criminals and prostitutes from Eastern Europe after the collapse of the USSR and the establishment of the Schengen agreement.



this is a real thing (I fully understand you here), I'm more obsessed with the best Eastern brains leaking to US though. We are loosing our future day by day.

this was my point.

I absolutely agree. Russian professors and scientists are paid horribly low wages, which gives them more incentive to go to America.

[Hevneren]

The other reason is the flow of criminals and prostitutes from Eastern Europe after the collapse of the USSR and the establishment of the Schengen agreement.



this is a real thing (I fully understand you here), I'm more obsessed with the best Eastern brains leaking to US though. We are loosing our future day by day.

this was my point.

Then you started screaming about statistics and telling me to shut up.

[beaver]

In any case, anyone calling me (or other Russian posters) "Ivan" would get personal invitation to meet me very closely. I can pass personal things against me personally but this was about Russia, not me.

[beaver]

Then you started screaming about statistics and telling me to shut up.
Where? 3-4 lists of the Forum (not much time). Show, please.

[BiałaZemsta]

Not sure... Maybe it still has to do with the barbaric way that Germans treated Eastern Europeans in the second world war. Then the East whips their asses and all they can do is complain. 50 something years later, they open their borders to Eastern European immigrants. Many low quality people leave and head west, bringing with them their crime. And there you go, fuel for the fire. Ignorance kicks in and your typical German citizen blaims the Slavs for all their problems. They are good at blaming others for problems they created. Maybe they should have kept their borders shut to criminals. But no, it was the Americans that made them open their borders blahblah blah blahblah. It must be a Western thing to blame others for their own problems. As for the East, it does not help that they were Communists. We all need to move on. Of course, that will never happen. I have met countless amounts of Slavs who hate Germans, and I have never met a German who had anything nice to say about Slavs.

[beaver]

Not sure... Maybe it still has to do with the barbaric way that Germans treated Eastern Europeans in the second world war. Then the East whips their asses and all they can do is complain. 50 something years later, they open their borders to Eastern European immigrants. Many low quality people leave and head west, bringing with them their crime. And there you go, fuel for the fire. Ignorance kicks in and your typical German citizen blaims the Slavs for all their problems. They are good at blaming others for problems they created. Maybe they should have kept their borders shut to criminals. But no, it was the Americans that made them open their borders blahblah blah blahblah. It must be a Western thing to blame others for their own problems. As for the East, it does not help that they were Communists. We all need to move on. Of course, that will never happen. I have met countless amounts of Slavs who hate Germans, and I have never met a German who had anything nice to say about Slavs.
In the late Soviet Union everyone loved Westerners. It's just a fact. I also read about Germans that got to Russian captivity, many of them became Russian - Fans. Father told me: "Germans lay around the rail road in the snow". All information.

[Hevneren]

In any case, anyone calling me (or other Russian posters) "Ivan" would get personal invitation to meet me very closely. I can pass personal things against me personally but this was about Russia, not me.

First the Russian tells me to shut up, then he makes threats. Yes, this is the Russian way. :rolleyes:

Why don't you come here, big boy? Come and make me shut up!

[beaver]

First the Russian tells me to shut up, then he makes threats. Yes, this is the Russian way.



Why don't you come here, big boy? Come and make me shut up!

Russians didnt offend you here and didnt call you "Hey you, Fritjof", for example. Recognise - you have offended me with "Russian Ivan" I didnt call you "Norwegian Fritjof"! So you should come to our territory, or you can recognize that you are a coward. Select, pls, I'm already thinking what to do. To orginaze the show - not so easy.

[Hevneren]

Russians didnt offend you here and didnt call you "Hey you, Fritjof", for example. Recognise - you have offended me with "Russian Ivan" I didnt call you "Norwegian Fritjof"! So you should come to our territory, or you can recognize that you are a coward. Select, pls, I'm already thinking what to do. To orginaze the show - not so easy.

Don't tell random people online to shut up, and make idle threats.

[arcticwolf]

Well, there is just so much love, unity, understanding and good will among Europeans. :rolleyes: Amazing even in the face of total disaster ego is more important to some than preservation. We do fantastic job of dividing and conquering our own selves, all the barbarians gotta do is to sit back, drink a beer and watch. Let's congratulate ourselves on a job well done gents! :thumb001:

[beaver]

Don't tell random people online to shut up, and make idle threats.
You have refused (in PM) to convert this stupid conflict in reality (from online to offline). So, you are a coward, Hevneren.
I didnt wait something like this, Heyerdal is a national hero of all Russians.

[Hevneren]

You have refused (in PM) to convert this stupid conflict in reality (from online to offline). So, you are a coward, Hevneren.
I didnt wait something like this, Heyerdal is a national hero of all Russians.

You're the one who made the threat, Ivan, not me.

And it's funny that you call Heyerdahl a national hero of the Russians. Yes, you even steal the heroes of other nations. :rolleyes:

[Sikeliot]

Guys, knock it off and take the bickering elsewhere.

[Eldritch]

Hev, Beaver was paying you a compliment. He's been trying to act civil and gregarious throughout your chat (on the public forum at least), and all you do is bite his head off. :rolleyes2:

[beaver]

You're the one who made the threat, Ivan, not me.
Well, well, something wrong with Norwegians.

[Comte Arnau]

I don't have anything about Easterners because I don't know a number large enough to have an opinion, but it is true that -unless you're friends with nice people from those countries- most of the Easterners working around here don't contribute to the improvement of their image.

By the way, the only country I can't consider Eastern, specially after having visited it twice, is Hungary. Neither Western. It might be the only real central European country, IMO.

[Pallantides]

I was just wondering, where do Finns stand in this system? are they "Easterners" or "Westerners"?

I guess Western, they are firmly planted within the Nordic sphere.


You have refused (in PM) to convert this stupid conflict in reality (from online to offline). So, you are a coward, Hevneren.
I didnt wait something like this, Heyerdal is a national hero of all Russians.

What did Heyerdahl ever do to be a national-hero for Russians? :confused:


Sure you're not thinking of Nansen(guy in Hevneren's avtar), who acctualy did a lot humanitarian work in Russia?

[BiałaZemsta]

Well, there is just so much love, unity, understanding and good will among Europeans. :rolleyes: Amazing even in the face of total disaster ego is more important to some than preservation. We do fantastic job of dividing and conquering our own selves, all the barbarians gotta do is to sit back, drink a beer and watch. Let's congratulate ourselves on a job well done gents! :thumb001:

Bracie, it is hard for me to want preservation of a country that is responsible for so much pain and hardships still felt by my family.

[arcticwolf]

Well, well, something wrong with Norwegians.

Bro I think he miss understood. Norwegians are cool. I would let it go. There is something lost in translation.

[arcticwolf]

Bracie, it is hard for me to want preservation of a country that is responsible for so much pain and hardships still felt by my family.

Bro I've lost my family members as well, we all did. You can't fix hate by hating back. We are better than that. I say let's extend the hand let's see what they do. I wouldn't expect instant gratification, it's gonna take time. Norwegians never been our enemy, Scandinavians are cool and in general Slav friendly. No point changing that.

[BiałaZemsta]

Bro I've lost my family members as well, we all did. You can't fix hate by hating back. We are better than that. I say let's extend the hand let's see what they do. I wouldn't expect instant gratification, it's gonna take time. Norwegians never been our enemy, Scandinavians are cool and in general Slav friendly. No point changing that.

I have no problem with Swedes, Norwegians, Brits, or the Dutch. My hate remains exclusively with Germans. You are a much better person than I am because you are able to forgive and move on.

[beaver]

Guys, knock it off and take the bickering elsewhere.
Clementina, the incident is over:
1) Hevneren is a coward (see the thread)
2) Hevneren hates Russia in principle
I'm full - why did I spend the time? I'm asshole

[Sikeliot]

Good. Just remember not everyone wants to, or should have to, read personal arguments. ;)

[arcticwolf]

I have no problem with Swedes, Norwegians, Brits, or the Dutch. My hate remains exclusively with Germans. You are a much better person than I am because you are able to forgive and move on.

Bro let's look at it with a calm mind, East Germany is genetically very Slavic ( Wends/Sorbs etc ). In other words they are Slavs that speak German. No point hating them. Germans that are alive today have not done any harm to us. Genetically like it or not we have significant Germanic component depending on the study from 16 to almost 35 %. The old joke that Poles are just a bunch of Germans that went on a day trip to Russia and forgot their way back home. ;) But in all reality, hate like greed destroys everything in its path and most of all those who do the hating. leave the past behind, forgive and move on. We have more pressing issues now.

[beaver]

What did Heyerdahl ever do to be a national-hero for Russians?
All his books were published in SU - "Kon-Tiki" - "Ra" - and about the Easter Island - some books. You dont know about Heyerdahl :eek:
Also - captain Cousteau

[Joe McCarthy]

I have no problem with Swedes, Norwegians, Brits, or the Dutch. My hate remains exclusively with Germans. You are a much better person than I am because you are able to forgive and move on.

The problem with your attitude is that if those Germans are replaced by Third Worlders it'll almost certainly be more dangerous for Poles than Germans are.

I'm rarely accused of being either a Germanophile or a Russophile, but replacing either population with largely Islamic populations won't be doing any of us any favors.

[Pallantides]

All his books were published in SU - "Kon-Tiki" - "Ra" - and about the Easter Island - some books. You dont know about Heyerdahl :eek:
Also - captain Cousteau

Yes I know who Heyerdahl was, but what I didn't know is how he came to be a National hero for all Russians...

[urus]

I had a teacher at the institute, just a fan of classic germanium, and the West:
for example, he had great respect for Hitler. Of course, he talked about his respect for the property, about raschudesny image of German soldiers, scorned the Soviet zoldat, toilet paper, civilized, cultural, educated and charming, but in reality it was obvious that admiration went in, including from the fact that Poles - these despicable slaves
- Adolf Aloizevich packed into the ground in batches. Just do not say, but hinted that they say kill untermensh small peccadillo.

[beaver]

Yes I know who Heyerdahl was, but what I didn't know is how he came to be a National hero for all Russians...
Dont doubt, on the level of Gagarin, Zhukov etc. Everyone knows Heyerdahl (Nansen. Amundsen e.g. cannot be compared).